Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 348 | The Right's Riot & Where We Go from Here

Episode Date: January 7, 2021

In today's episode, we break down what happened Wednesday in D.C. and what it means for conservatives as we move forward into 2021. Then, fellow BlazeTV host Steve Deace joins to continue the discussion and offer his perspective on why the riot occurred at the Capitol and what he thinks we need to do about it. -- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Hey, guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. Hope everyone is having a good day. So today is once again going to be a long and full episode. No rest for the weary. There is a lot to talk about, a lot of difficult things to talk about. I am going to going to spend the first half of the episode, maybe the first quarter, I don't know how long it's going to take me, delivering a monologue. So typically I don't, you know, write things out verbatim and then say them to you. I kind of riff or I extemporaneously add commentary and analysis. But today I want to make sure that I say exactly exactly what I intend to say. So I'm going to do my

best at giving you my perspective on some of the events that have unfolded this week. But then the second half of this episode, I am going to talk to fellow Blaze TV host, Steve Dase. Steve has a different perspective than I do in some ways on this. We agree on a lot. We agree on a lot of fundamental issues. I really respect Steve so much. And I think you are really going to, I know that you're really going to enjoy his commentary and analysis because he's really on fire. about everything that has happened, but he and I are going to disagree on some things. He's going to give a different perspective than the one I have on some issues, and I'll let you decide. I'll let you listen and you decide where you fall on all of this. First, I am going to lay out as clearly and as

thoroughly as I can. What I see and what I now know in light of what happened yesterday. Yesterday, Congress convened to confirm the results of the election. Each state sends their electoral votes and both the House and the Senate read and either agree to these results or object. This is normally nothing more than a formal, ceremonial, uncontroversial process. But this year, several congressmen, as we talked about earlier this week, like Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley and others, vowed to object to the results of the election in several states. states due to voting irregularities and allegations of voter fraud. Other senators and representatives like Tom Cotton of Arkansas and Chip Roy of Texas were outspoken about their refusal to object to the results, arguing that it is not their constitutional duty to do so. The states decide the election they said, and even if the allegations of fraud were true, they wouldn't represent enough of a change to switch the results of the presidential

election. So needless to say, this was going to be a very contentious day yesterday. Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, and other Congresspeople were going to lay out their case for objecting to the results in these states, lay out the accusations of fraud, tried to convince other members of their chamber to at least hold off on confirming the results until there was a more thorough investigation. Donald Trump had also been trying to tell Mike Pence, who, as the vice president, presides over this ceremony, over this convention to also reject the results of the election. But yesterday, Pence released a statement saying this. Here are some excerpts from the statement that he published.

Today, for the 59th time in our nation's history, Congress will convene in joint session to count the electoral votes for president of the United States. Under our Constitution, it will be my duty as vice president and as president of the Senate to serve as the presiding officer. Our founders created the Electoral College in 1787 and at first convened in 1789. With the advent of political parties, the Electoral College was amended in 1804 to provide that electors vote separately for the president and the vice president. Following a contentious election in 1876, with widespread allegations of fraud and

malfeasance, Congress spent a decade establishing rules and procedures to govern the counting of electoral votes and the resolution of any objections. During the 130 years since the Electoral Count Act was passed, Congress has, without exception, used these formal procedures to count the electoral votes every four years. Our founders were deeply skeptical of concentrations of power and created a republic based on separation of powers and checks and balances under the Constitution of the United States. It is my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not. He said he supports congressmen bringing their case forward,

but he would not be playing an active role in this. Meanwhile, Trump held a rally in D.C. where he talked for over an hour, mostly about the unfairness of the election in voter fraud. He has claimed repeatedly, as you guys know, that he actually won in a landslide had it not been for pervasive fraud, especially in the swing states. From the testimonies of people who were there, most who attended felt that it was an uplifting from their perspective and unifying rally while Trump was speaking and before Trump was speaking, and they said that they didn't feel any sense of tension or violence whatsoever. However, there were at least 250 demonstrators who stormed the Capitol, some of whom broke through the windows and made their way into the building.

Here are some video clips of that. There were people in the Senate chamber, in the House chamber, and Nancy Pelosi's office. Now, some people were saying that these were not Trump supporters, but rather were members of Antifa posing as MAGA supporters. This is actually very similar to the argument that was made by people like Joy Reid on MSNBC who claimed that the left-wing violence by Antifa and Black Lives Matter was actually waged by Trump supporters disguised as leftists in cities across the country. We really don't have much evidence of these things in either case. Yes, anything is possible. And there was a report

by the Washington Times that apparently there is a software that matched the faces of demonstrators in the Capitol to people participating in Antifa riots in Philadelphia. But there is no indication that there was this large swath of left-wing agitators posing as Trump supporters just as there is no evidence of right-wingers dressing up as Antifa and BLM protesters and burning down Minneapolis. There is a tweet that if you're watching this on YouTube, I will put up on the screen that tries to claim that this guy that you see with his headdress who broke into the Capitol is actually some BLM supporter. The tweet is saying that here he was in the same outfit at a BLM rally in June in Arizona. But thankfully, someone shared the entire picture.

And if you look at the whole picture, you will see that he is holding a Q an non-sign, which, if you don't know, is a conspiracy theory that some Trump supporters, not a large number, but some Trump supporters follow, which asserts among many other things that Donald Trump is the chosen one to take down the global elites. And here is this guy also in Phoenix holding a sign that says hold the line patriots God wins. His name is apparently Jake Angelie. Some people have pointed out that he may be an actor. Maybe so. But that doesn't mean that he is secretly a leftist poser. Then you've got this guy whom people are saying, and again, this is up on the screen if you're watching on YouTube, whom people are saying is Antifa because there is a picture that looks like

him on an Antifa website, Philly Antifa. Number one, I don't think that that is. the same person. And number two, even if it is, the picture on the Antifa website is not of an Antifa member, but rather a guy that they tried to expose and call out as this loud and proud member of various neo-Nazi groups. So we have to own this for what it seems to be, for what we know, Trump supporters, who feel that the election has been stolen from them. And that's their only recourse is to storm the capital and try to show. Congress that they mean business. As they were breaking into the Capitol, the Congress people stopped convening. They were made safe. The Capitol went on lockdown. The National Guard was called in.

Tear gas was deployed. And tragically, tragically, a woman by the name of Ashley Babette, a Trump supporter, an Air Force veteran, was shot. It looks like in the neck by allegedly, we're not totally for sure, a police officer, Capitol Police. She later died from that injury. We don't know the exact details of this, why she was shot, what exactly was going on, but she was. At least three other people have reportedly died in all of this chaos as well. So lives were lost.

Destruction and chaos were wrought. And we witnessed for the first time in our modern history, a refusal to peacefully transfer power that I believe was at least implicitly and in part, encouraged by Trump's insistence that this was a totally illegitimate election and that voters have been completely 100% disenfranchised. Now, I know that that is going to make some people angry, me saying that. So let me say there were seeming voting irregularities. There were compelling testimonies by witnesses of fraud.

There was a failure to follow election law in places like Pennsylvania. That's a fact. there was more effort that probably could have been made to ensure trust in the election process in places like Georgia. I say the same thing about investigation into voter fraud that I said at the beginning of the investigation into Russian collusion with the Trump campaign. I want the truth. I want the integrity of our elections no matter the outcome.

I would rather lose and be able to trust that we. we have a free and fair process than to win in an unfair rigged system. I support the investigations. I appreciate the legal fights that have been fought, the questions that have been raised, the criticism that has been leveled against some state officials. But so far, there hasn't been evidence of the kind of fraud that would result in the change of the outcome of the presidential election. election. Remember, in the contested states like Arizona, like Nevada, like Georgia, and others, other Republicans won their statewide races on the same ballot that Trump was on. So the courts spoke,

the states spoke, the electors spoke, and if it hadn't been for the violent disruption at the Capitol yesterday, Congress, members on both sides of this issue would have been able to speak to. We would have been able to hear the case and the rest of Congress would have been able to as well. Take a moment to realize just how many barriers, protections, and systems are in place in this country to expose and oppose fraud when it comes to our elections. It is not a perfect system. And there is no doubt in my mind that corruption exists. But thankfully, our founders and early Americans helped ensure accountability was in place in many ways. Again, maybe not in all ways, but in many ways.

But the president feels that he cannot lose. And that is one thing that a lot of people love about him. That is why he won the primary in 2016, something I did not understand then. That is why he beat Hillary Clinton. That is why he got a lot of good stuff done while he was president. But it is also why he won't let go now. And he doesn't want his supporters to either. In 2016, Trump tapped into a real sincere sense of disenfranchisement that

millions of Americans felt and still feel today that they have been forgotten about by the people in power. They have been sold out by the elites. Their jobs were outsourced to China by both the Republicans and the Democrats. Their values have been demeaned by politicians as Bible thumping and gun grabbing. The media, Hollywood, Big Tack, and even their own party in D.C. all want to silence them. And many of these people truly see Trump as their only hope. They're not as concerned with conservatism or the Republican Party nearly as much as they are concerned with maintaining Trump's power because they really see him as some sort of savior. So you can imagine possibly the mentality of some of the people who resorted to what I believe

is an egregious act of storming the Capitol. I'm not claiming to know everyone's motivation because I don't, but I have a good feeling that was the case for a lot of people participating. And all of that can be true and understood, and it should be understood, by the way, despite the media's absolute refusal to do so. And we can still say, no. Breaking into our nation's capital isn't the answer. Violence and rioting. Aren't the answer.

Assaulting law enforcement officers is not the answer. There was nothing about what happened yesterday that will end in any sort of benefit for the country. In fact, I think what we can expect. to see from the now Democrat-controlled Congress and White House is a crackdown on the First Amendment in the name of public safety. These are some of the same people who condemned Black Lives Matter for looting and rioting last year. They condemned their mantras, no justice, no peace, and riots are the voice of the unheard. And now they are basically echoing the same sentiments by saying that violence is the only way to get their point across. It's the only way to make the change

that they want. No, I rejected that nonsense when BLM and Antifa were saying it. I reject it now. There are legal means by which we can fight for election integrity. People have been doing it for the past two months. There are ways to make your voice heard. There are ways to make change that doesn't involve what we saw yesterday. I am one small person with one small sphere of influence. And just by talking a few hours every week, I, by the grace of God, have been a very important. able to change people's minds on certain important issues. Do not act like speaking up doesn't work. I've seen it work. Don't act like changing the conversation in your home, at your school, your job, in your church has no effect on where this country is headed. No, in fact,

in fact, it is because conservatives have ceded ground in all of those spheres that we are where we are today. We have seated ground culturally for years, if not decades, and now we're frustrated. We don't have as much influence. So people say violence is the only answer? No. Conservatives sat back as we heard kooky professors sympathize with communism, pastors, start preaching extra-biblical social justice theology, public schools, indoctrinating our kids with postmodern nonsense, movies and TV shows, glamorizing every kind of moral degeneracy, our language being completely ripped apart, deconstructed by hyper-political correctness. And we said, oh, this is fine. That's just secularism for you. That's the world for you. And now we want to be mad and say that our only option is rioting?

Sorry, no. Take back the culture by taking back the conversation. Start standing up where you see progressivism taking root in your own life around you. Speak up to your social. school board. Speak up to your friends. Have a conversation with your pastor and your elders. Call your representatives, refuse to bend your language. Stop giving money to colleges and doctorating your kids. Let's not act like all of us have exhausted every legal recourse to counteract what we see as the dangers of progressivism and that now we are forced to resort to the same kind of violence that we have been condemning for the past few months. I just refuse to get on board with that. And speaking of that, speaking of that, now here's where I make some other people,

man, everyone should have been condemning the violence that has gone on in this country since May in a way that we have not seen in a very long time, similar to the violence that occurred in 2015 in Ferguson. Let me be clear, the people who are condemning and calling out people storming the capital this week, which is right for them to call that out. But they had nothing to say when Black Lives Matter and Antifa were burning down cities, were looting innocent people's businesses, making economic recovery and already poor communities impossible in a pandemic, assaulting people, murdering people, including black adults and children like former police chief David Dorn, eight-year-old Seward Seagoria Turner in Atlanta, and 16-year-old Antonio Mays in Seattle, all murdered by Black

Lives Matter demonstrators have no right to talk now. Either be consistent in this or be quiet in this. In Portland, a guy who called himself 100% Antifa murdered in cold blood a Trump supporter. These people, along with radical portions of BLM, not all of BLM, of course, but radical portions of BLM set fire to Kenosha, to Minneapolis, rioted in New York City, set up an entire zone in Seattle where violence, murder, and sexual assault occurred in Portland, even in parts of Denver, Austin, L.A. And the media not only ignored it, but they excused it. Here's Chris Cuomo a few months ago talking about some of these BLM Antifa protests. And please, show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful. He is right in that protesters don't have to be

polite to have their speech be protected. That's why the first amendment exists. But yes, protesters are supposed to be peaceful on either side of the aisle. The problem with the riots and looting across the country, the problem with yesterday wasn't a lack of decorum. It was violence. Here are some clips as a reminder of what happened over the past few months in several cities across the country. And here is a picture of DC, our nation's Capitol literally up in flames back in May after the George Floyd riots. The same media who are now rightfully freaking out over the storming of the Capitol, which I've already established, is inexcusable, thought that all of that was happening,

that has been happening for a month, was fine, at least not worth criticizing. And what we were told and what I'm still being told was that that is fine because of systemic racism and police brutality. That is a sorry excuse. Because of systemic racism and police brutality, it's okay to burn down a police station, to burn down a car repair shop, burning an innocent person to death. It's okay to ruin people's lives and livelihoods. What awful reasoning. Not just because the means are not justified, but also because the stated cause of these riots is fraught with deceit manipulation and misinformation as we have talked about in detail many times on this show. You cannot say that you're okay with violence when it comes

to causes that you agree with and not okay with it when it comes to causes you don't agree with. You can't call that fighting systemic racism and what happened yesterday domestic terrorism. They are both acts of terrorizing the country. Both sides think that they are fighting for liberation in some way. In reality, both have waged destruction. If you cannot be consistent on this, again, be quiet on this. People are going to tell you, that's what aboutism to point that out. Even that it's your, quote, white privilege talking, that is very typical and common nonsense to try to shut down your argument without actually engaging with it. What aboutism is ignoring or dismissing one problem by pointing out another? That is certainly not what we're doing here.

We are very clearly acknowledging the gravity and the wrongness of one issue and pointing out the hypocrisy of condemning it while we're refusing to condemn an equivalent problem, a similar problem on the other side. And those who are saying that this is white privilege or just white supremacy are, again, ignoring the destruction that we have seen in cities across the country waged by people who do not possess this so-called white privilege damaging both federal and private property, many who did so with impunity. It is also not a valid argument to say that every conservative or every conservative or everyone who voted for Trump or everyone who has had questions about voter fraud brought the chaos to the capital or that they are complicit in it without applying that same kind of logic to you and the left-wing riots that occurred in exclusively democratic cities that were never caught out by name by prominent Democrats and liberals the way that yesterday was condemned by most prominent Republicans and conservatives. So do you as a liberal count yourself as close yourself as

complicit in the burning of Kenosha in Minneapolis and the left-wing rights across the country? Do you share the blame for the murder of Sequoria Turner in Atlanta or Antonio Mays in Seattle or the Trump supporter in Portland? Or how about the Democrat who a few years ago shot and almost murdered Republican lawmakers at a baseball field in D.C. based on something that he had heard Bernie Sanders say about Republicans taking away health care? I didn't think so. And there are Democratic lawmakers who excused the violence that has been happening. By last. left-wing rioters over the past few weeks, members of the squad who said there's going to be unrest in the streets as long as there is unrest in their lives. They excused that. They condoned

that. Many of them glorified that. Did you blame Obama for inciting the violence in Ferguson? I didn't think so. I don't either, by the way. I'm just asking for consistency here. At vox.com in September of 2016 wrote a piece on left-wing riots titled, Rriots are destructive, dangerous, and scary, but can lead to serious social reforms to prevent more violent uprisings and protests. We need to take their causes seriously. Yesterday, Vox wrote, Every person who forced their way into the capital should be arrested lock them all up. I happen to agree with the second headline. But media outlets like Vox and even Kamala Harris herself have been encouraging people to fund the bail of rioters who set fires to buildings

that killed people across the country. Yesterday was a terrible day for our republic. I cannot say that any more clearly. How strongly I condemn the violence that happened at our nation's capital and how thankful I am for the good and responsible law enforcement officers that were there and acted in a way that was courageous. But some of us have been talking about the evils of political violence a lot longer than 24 hours. We have also pointed out that, unfortunately, when you lock people inside their homes for months,

when you take away their livelihoods, their normalcy, their ability to engage in corporate worship, to have community, to go to school, all things that people can with precautions do safely right now, while you, the people placing these restrictions on people, flout the rules, and go to political rallies and vacation and eat at fancy restaurants, you will drive people on the left and the right to the brink. And there is no doubt that that has helped contribute to the unrest that we have been seen. And when people feel that there is nowhere that they can go for truth, that no one is telling them what's really going on, that no one is standing up for them again on the left or the right,

that everyone is out to get them and is hiding reality from them, as so many in the mainstream media actually do, you're going to get a bunch of paranoid people that do really stupid and moral things. We have seen it. It's not an excuse. People should make better choices, but it is unfortunately exactly what happens. It is human nature. And this is tragically not going to stop until it's not going to stop when Trump leaves, even when he stops, even when he stops kind of making these rants that he has been making that has riled people up. It is only going to stop when people do some self-reflection when the media stop ramping up the resentment and the violence by always and unconditionally condemning one side and exonerating the other, which drives people

either to the offense or the defense. But instead, you have people like Anderson Cooper yesterday saying that all the protesters are just going to need to go back to Olive Garden and Holiday Inn. You don't see that that is the exact elitism that people are angry about, that drove people into the arms of Trump. He didn't just take, Anderson Cooper didn't just take a shot at the violent thugs and rioters at the Capitol. He took a shot intentionally at the entire middle class. Mr. Air to the Vanderbilt, Fortune, give me a break. It is also not going to stop until people on both sides realize that the government is not going to save you. It can do a lot to hurt you, it can't do a lot to help you. It's not your Messiah. Trump is not your Messiah. AOC and the

Democrats are not your Messiah. The government is not your savior. It does not make a worthy idol. It is important to care about justice and freedom. It is important to speak up about the issues that you care about whether I agree with them or not, but man, it is not worth the chaos being waged right now. It is accomplishing nothing. Both sides need to realize that no justice, no peace, is an awful slogan because everyone's definition of justice is different right now. So what that translate to is constant violence and chaos. There are people on both ends of this political spectrum that want war, that want anarchy, that want to go scorched earth so they can see who ends up on top.

My goodness, I do not want that. I guarantee you an evil foreign power. We'll take over before we actually ever get there. I am willing to come together on the things that we can come together on. I'm not going to compromise all my values. I'm not going to pretend to not be strong on the stances that I'm sure about, but I have always, I've always made clear that I have never hated someone because we disagree. We have to detach disagreement from hate if we want to be able to move forward in any way.

Congress has now reconvened. Are they reconvened last night? Here is a short excerpt of the opening speech. from Mike Pence after all this chaos. The elected representatives of the people of the United States have assembled again on the very same day to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. So may God bless the lost, the injured,

and the heroes forged on this day. May God bless all who serve here. and those who protect this place. And may God bless the United States of America. And here's a bit from Mitch McConnell. We will not be kept out of this chamber by thugs, mobs, or threats. We will not bow to lawlessness or intimidation. We are back at our posts.

We will discharge our duty under the Constitution. and for our nation. And we're going to do it tonight. So now they have to get to work. They have to actually do the people's business, which unfortunately a lot of people in Congress don't actually do. They do their own business and the business of special interest. I would love to see a change there.

Republicans have their work cut out for them to try to oppose radical leftist legislation in Congress because guess what? In case you forgot, Democrats have Congress. and the White House. And the legislation they want to pass is going to have a real negative effect on your life and freedom. Pay attention.

The midterms will be here in two years before you know it. Now it's not the time to be apathetic and ignorant. And most of all, guys, what I said on Tuesday, without knowing what would unfold this week, is true. 2021 does not guarantee better days

just because 2020 was bad. Christ guarantees a better way. As we repeat so often on this podcast, He is our peace. He is our hope. We are not going to get our utopia in this life. Jesus promises to come back, to rule in perfect peace. There will be a new heavens and a new earth. We won't have political violence anymore. We won't have elections anymore. We won't have politics. We won't have disagreements. We won't have contention. We won't have sickness or sorrow or sadness or despair or disappointment. We will be eternally imperfect peace and enjoy. There will be people that we disagreed with here on earth.

in heaven with us and we won't care because the love of Christ and the worship of Christ is going to so envelop our minds that that's all that we will be deriving our feelings from, our happiness from, our peace from. And that is what we have to look forward to. That doesn't mean that we don't care about what happens here on earth. That doesn't mean that we don't fight for the things that are truly good and right and true on earth and in this life. But we have to remember what is important and who we ultimately bow down to and what our role is and where our true peace and joy and anticipation comes from. All right. Now we are going to talk to my friend Steve Dase. Like I said, he's got a different perspective on some of this. And then I'll have a closer

after our interview. Hey, this is Steve Dase. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos.

If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this Steve Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen. wherever you get podcasts, I hope you'll join us. Steve, thank you so much for joining me. Can you first tell everyone about your show where you can watch it, listen to it, what you talk about, all that good stuff? We are noon to 2 Eastern here on Blaze TV right after Glenn Beck. If you're a Blaze TV subscriber, you can subscribe using Ali or my last name, Dace,

as a promo code to get a discounted subscription at BlazTV.com. You can also just subscribe to the podcast. So we're on iTunes, Stitcher, Amazon, Spotify. Just look for my name, D-E-A-C-E. Awesome. I've been following all of your commentary, obviously, for a very long time, but specifically in relation to this election, election fraud, you and I did election night commentary together.

And you've been talking a lot also about what happened yesterday or what was going to happen yesterday on January 6th, with Congress either objecting to or confirming the, electoral votes in regards to the presidential election. Can you tell me a little bit about your perspective on the back and forth between Republican senators and congressmen, some like Ted Cruz and Josh Holly, who said we're going to object to the electoral results because of fraud. And then others like Chip Roy and Tom Cotton saying, no, we're not going to object because it's not our constitutional duty to do so. Where do you land in all of that? I think that, um,

I used this phrase when I talked about it on my show, Allie, quoting the scriptures. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, meaning that if we need to heal, if we're hungry, if we thirst, it requires work. To make those things occur in order to meet real human needs, that takes precedent over even one of the commandments. Holy writ, Jesus made that clear, to see those commandments in their proper context and realize that they were made for us. The point is to righteousness, to convict us of our sin. They were made for us. We were not created for them. The same thing is true of our constitutionality.

It begins with the words, we the people. It is a social compact. It is not holy writ. And the men who carved it, I think it's a sacred document, but it's not holy, because the men who carved it right after they got done with it started amending. That's where we got the Bill of Rights. So if you reach a point in time where one side of the argument no longer abide, by the social compact.

Then we're over here like Frank Dreben in the naked gun. Nothing to see here, folks, right? We're like that dude on MSNBC last year. Now, these are mostly peaceful protests while Molotov cocktails are being launched over his head, live on screen. We're arguing over the in particulars of a 12th Amendment that is really a process amendment

for the purpose of how the electors are counted and carried out. And meanwhile, the people were up against Ali, they've already shredded the 39th Amendment that we haven't even thought of. that, all right? And I think that we have to come to grips with the fact, and it's sad. And I wanted to not admit this to myself for a long time, because I knew what the consequences would be of admitting this, but the left has turned in the last decade or two. They have turned politics into a zero-sum game. They have made it clear. They do not plan on sharing a culture

with people like us, unless we're willing to pay some form of jizs, that you can lose accreditation in an industry, not get a platform. Imagine if AT&T said 100 years ago, You know what? I don't like the things Ali Betts Stuckey says over the phone, so we're not going to give you a line. We're not going to connect you to my bell said we're not going to connect you to the world. Nobody would put up with that. That's exactly what big tech is doing today. It's a zero-sum game. You comport and comply or you are a second-class citizen. And what's happening now is the right is learning this and responding in kind. The right saw last summer, saw, hey, I guess riots pay off when you riot for a funeral, peaceful protest for a guy who once pointed a gun in a pregnant woman's stomach. If you do that 14 times,

you get the decals of your protest group, the riot group on every NFL team in the fall. You get, you get exalted. This is all learned behavior. And if we don't come up with righteous resistance to channel the energy that we saw yesterday, even before things got ugly, even when it was peaceful, look at those masses of people, look at all that energy. Where are they all going to go? If we don't find a way to create righteous resistance for them, because right now they don't have it, most of the people running the Republican Party don't care about them, don't want to listen to them. If we don't come up with that, then I would say this to my friend Chip. Chip is one of my best friends.

I've been arguing all of this privately with Chip for the last few weeks. Chip's one of the finest men I know, and I won't tolerate any attacks on his honor because you don't agree with him here. Where I disagree with Chip since you asked is I think we are by hanging, by a very slim thread here. Last March 11th, if I would have come on your show and said, by the end of this year, you think you're just going 15 days to flatten the curve? By the end of this year, you won't go Christmas shopping for your kids. They won't get to see Santa. You won't be able to walk into a mall without a useless Chinese face diaper. You're a second-class citizen

if you don't wear one. People would have laughed and said, no way that'll happen. That's how fast that evolved. Yesterday is an omen of what the next six months will look like in increasing deceleration if we don't come up with something righteous that can channel that angst so people think that they have a voice again. So you believe first that people like Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz were speaking up for all of the people who feel and felt disenfranchised. And even though it may not be their constitutional responsibility to do so, you think that they were correct in stating those objections? There's a higher law. When Ted and Chip and Josh took the oath of office, Allie, didn't say, so help me, Constitution.

It said, so help me God. That is, there's a higher law than the Constitution. We have done all kinds of heinous things. We had to amend the Constitution to get rid of slavery. People use that to justify, even though it says right in the Fifth Amendment of the Bill of Rights. No person shall be denied life, liberty, or property without due process of law. We just decided, well, if we wanted to deny those people, those things, we just won't call them people. We've done all forms of things in the name of a written word.

We actually have to follow the actual word, the word giver, the one who's the word incarnate. There's a higher law there. And that's ultimately where the Constitution was, we made the Constitution for us as a people. We weren't made as a people for the Constitution. It begins with the words, we the people. It's about limiting the scope of government. It's a social contract. It's a compact.

And what has happened now is one half of this country, or at least its political leadership, has decided to render that compact null and void. We can sit here and argue about the 17th sentence of the 12th Amendment all we want. They are burning down your civilization. And if we don't find a righteous way where we can keep it within the white lines, you know, football is a very violent game, right? And within the white lines, you can be as violent as you want. We don't carry it out into the stands.

We don't go out in the parking lot. We don't assault fans. there's rules of engagement. We have to re-institute some rules of engagement because right now they get away whatever they want to do and then just use their media to rewrite history and memory hold it. So what you're arguing, which I do think is true and I hadn't really thought about it like this, that we appeal to a higher authority than the Constitution, not just because the Constitution was made for man, but also because man was made by God and he is the great moral lawgiver. the left also appeals to what they believe is a higher power.

They might not say the God of the Bible, but a higher power than the Constitution. They too think that the Constitution is malleable, that it is flexible, that there are more important things than abiding by the principles that we find in our founding documents. That's why, for example, they justify something like abortion. Like you said, that people did with slavery. They also do with unborn babies. by saying, well, these just aren't people. So we don't have to guarantee them life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So what you're arguing is, hey, we're not playing by the same rules anymore because they appeal

to some higher authority than the Constitution. And so the right needs to appeal to a higher authority than the Constitution. And so, but where does that, where does that end up? So basically our gods are competing. Our higher authorities in the Constitution are competing against one another. But you're also arguing that somehow. we do that peacefully, but

how is that possible? Because that seems like a cosmic battle. It is a cosmic battle. We're up against a spirit of the age. That's what we're up against. We've heard a lot of language. You know, you're a millennial. I'm on the younger edge of Gen X.

I've heard all my life. You've heard all your life. This is the most important election. The next one is the last one is. The spirit of America. The soul of America was at stake for Barack Obama versus John McCain. And then John McCain preferred Barack Obama to most of us, we found out. So we've heard these cliches all along. This is now the moment when this is all actually.

We're in a Valley of Megito moment as a culture. We are not up against a political ideology. That's why we're struggling to come up with political solutions. We're up against progressivism, leftism. It is the Marcion, Arias, it is the herrious. It's the heresy of this era. That's what we're up against. The Democratic Party, it's political,

manifestations, those are the manifestations of a spiritual philosophy. All these people yesterday, let's pray for peace. Peace for what? We need to pray for truth. There is no peace without the truth. We're unsettled in our spirit. We're unsettled in our culture because we're unsettled in the truth. What is the truth? And ultimately, the Constitution is an application of the truth. It is not the truth itself, like the scriptures, are an application of the truth. The ultimate truth. The foundation of Christianity is not the Bible. The foundation of Christianity is Christ. For if Christ be not raised, our preaching is in vain. We're all still dead in our sins. If he's not risen from the dead, and no word of the New Testament matters. Maybe you get some life lessons, that's about it.

But it's not transcended in any way. We need to go back to first things. You know, I've used this analogy before when Vince Lombardi took over a once proud football franchise called the Green Bay Packers. They were losers for decades. And when he took them over, there were players that would go on to be Hall of Famers, Paul Harning, Bart Starr, Forrest Devoshevsky, people that are household names to NFL circles now. They were unknowns back then. They were losers. And the first day when he took over, he said, man, I'm going to erase every tape. I'm not watching any film. We're going to start all over. Here's your first practice. He held up the football and he said, men, this is a football. And they started all over. They broke the whole thing down, established a foundation, and built it back up. We need to do

the exact same thing. We need to get back and reestablish first things so we can enforce the constitution again. The constitution doesn't make us righteous. The constitution is the result of a righteous people. How in the world do we do that? Because I do want to be careful not to conflate what, you know, Ephesion 6 talks about light versus darkness, good versus evil, with right versus left because there are plenty of people who identify themselves as on the right who are not Christians, who are not believers, who do not appeal to the same higher authority of the God of the Bible that you and I do, who do not believe in Christ and the resurrection of the dead. And so I don't want to conflate, okay, while conservatives are all on God's side and all liberals are not on God's side,

because I don't think that's biblically accurate. But that almost sounds like that's what you're saying. So can you make some distinctions there? Sure. Look at the American Revolution. Thomas Paine would have been our version of a Ein Randian secular libertarian probably. Benjamin Franklin thought that Christ was a good moral teacher. We have no evidence really that he believed in the resurrection. Then you have been like Patrick Henry, Benjamin Rush, sold out to the gospel. It's ironic to me that, theologically, I agree with John Adams a lot more than Thomas Jefferson in their ancient rivalry.

But politically, Thomas Jefferson is like speaking my love language. Okay. Now those are examples. whatever they I just cited, those are examples of natural law and common grace. The way our founding generation got beyond, they had this debate too. You know, they had to hang together or hang separately. Those Quakers in Pennsylvania, they thought Romans 13 meant they could never rebel against authority. So they didn't want to, they had to make an argument to get them to vote for the Declaration of Independence.

And so they had to come up with these dilemmas. We can learn from that history, learn from that tradition. And the dilemma that you present is it's embodied in this sentence, in the, or this reference in the Declaration of Independence, the laws of nature and nature's God. I'm Rand even believed in objectivism, that there had to be something objectively true, something, something that brought order to the universe. Now, she hated Christianity. She railed against it. In her later years, she'd go on the Phil Donahue show and call people like you and I fools. But then she'd go out and actually advocate in the world for objective philosophy that actually is a somewhat

natural application of what you and I believe. That's what we can reinstall in that we have to learn as Christians to walk and chew gum at the same time, that we're in the world and not of it, that we can, we can form alliances without violating our principles. And then while we're in those alliances, help lead people to what the source and origins of those principles happens to be. You're talking, though, about getting back to first things. And yet you've also said, And I agree that there is some kind of cosmic battle going on that really people think that our disagreements between the left and the right are more complex and intricate than they've ever been. But really, they're more fundamental and basic than they've ever been. The definition of truth, the definition of what a man is, what a woman is.

What's a border? What's a law? When life begins, we're asking, you know, very stupid questions that people for hundreds, if not thousands of years, have already been able to answer by what they might say is just common sense or even like you and I believe. God's natural law. How are we supposed to get through all of the noise and get to those first things and get to a place to where, okay, we can appeal to the Constitution because we agree on the premise of the Constitution, which is that there is a great transcendent moral lawgiver who gave us our rights. And the government is to submit to God and his law. Like, how do we get back to that? People listen to us. They think we're talking about some kind of theocratic autocracy or

something like that. How do we, how do we get there in a righteous way? Because what happened yesterday ain't going to cut it. No, it's not. But it's the result of what happens when if I vote, you don't count my vote. And then if I do win, then you just go to the courts and some federal judge in the 666th district of Babylon issues a universal objection that the people I just voted for can't govern. So you definitely think that there was widespread fraud. Oh, I absolutely believe it. Yeah. But I don't know the flow chart for Dominion. I've never looked at any of that. I don't follow Rudy Giuliani's work.

Frankly, I don't trust Rudy Giuliani. I just don't think he's, I think he's, I think he, that's a guy that's lost his fastball. I just do math. The same math I did on election night. Same math I did breaking down the polls. Same math I, pointing out that those aren't mathematically sound. Same math I did all last year on COVID. The math simply just didn't add up in numerous places around the country.

I just did the math. The math doesn't add up. And so the excuse is. Well, Donald Trump was uniquely unpopular. And so that's where you got an election where for the first time in the history of the two-party era, except for 1992 when it was after a redistricting that favored Republicans, which we didn't have this year. And yet Ross Pro siphoning off votes for Bush, for the first time in the two-party era, an incumbent president lost re-election, but his party gained house seats. That had only happened one other time ever. And so the explanation is, well, Trump's

just that uniquely unpopular. And so that's why it just so happens that in about a half dozen counties in the states that needed to flip in order to flip the electoral college that are all controlled, notoriously so for decades by Democrats, Wayne County, Michigan, Fulton County, Georgia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, and on and on it goes. It just so happens that in those places they were able to produce miraculously the votes that it took. And yet they, so for some reason, why couldn't they do it in St. Louis, Missouri, and Houston, Texas, and some of these other places. Why could they uniquely do it? Democrats control those places too. Why were they able to uniquely do it in those places? And I think that I don't, the math on that we could do whole shows,

but we're kind of beyond that. But wouldn't you argue, but wouldn't you argue then that if they did do it in those Democratic stronghold, that why wouldn't they do it in somewhere like Houston? So the fact that they don't do it in other Democratic strongholds, doesn't that kind of hurt, your case that these other Democratic cities? That's a good question. I don't think your governor is the biggest, what I would necessarily categorize as some kind of a bad act. But he's not terrible. And we've seen him stand up to them in the past, maybe not as often as somebody like me would like, but certainly more often than you see a lot of other governors do. Houston, Texas, like just the other day when they tried to impose, I can't remember what it was, some kind of a fine or sanctuary city or something in your state.

And Governor Abbott came up and said, hey, that's not the law in our state. You can't do that. We're not doing that. What happens in Texas if they just show up at 4 a.m. the next morning in Houston with vote dumps? That's a lot different than Pennsylvania where the Democrats control the governor's mansion. That's a lot different than Michigan where Democrats control the governor's mansion. That's where we have to, that's the other mistake we make politically. We have to move people where power is. I say this, and I'm going to say this on my show later today.

I love Ted Cruz. He's a very good friend of mine. I worked on his last campaign. But the time has come now. We cannot afford another day of brute and branch Mitch McConnell. And I won't be bullied into giving you $2,000, but I don't have to be bullied into giving Pakistan money for gender studies. That's the kind of stuff that's raising this furor. This guy stands in the way of representing our people. It's time for Ted Cruz to stop waiting four years to find out if Trump runs again or if he can be the nominee. and run for Republican leader tomorrow. I would say this to Chip. If it's not you, then find out who it is and start challenging the McCarthys of the world because you're all going to be, someone's going to be the Republican speaker in 2022, probably, after the midterms.

Start thinking that up right now. Ali, look around the country. I'd look at Ron DeSantis in Florida, and I don't know where else I would look. My governor and I was actually been pretty good, Kim Reynolds. I would look else who are all over the country, all these Republican legislatures, All these Republican governors, where are, where is the power that our people desire being wielded by their elected representatives on their behalf?

You don't see it in too many places. And that's why the first name we come up with all the time is Ron DeSantis. Right. We need to put our people, our people need to be, we need to run for positions of power. And then when we get power, we need to use it. Let's take this exact circumstance and flip it around. What would the Democrats have done? Would they have certified that election yesterday? Would there be a Democratic Mike Pence, forlorn and desperate to know, how do I uphold the 19th sentence of the 12th Amendment if they saw Republican cities, suburbs, exurbs, rural areas, just dropping off thousands of votes that are 99% for a Republican in those places. They'd never, ever, ever, ever do it. They'd never certify it. They'd never tolerate it. In fact, yesterday was the 20th anniversary.

of Democrats standing up in a joint session of Congress to challenge the certification of the Florida recount election. They did it on January 6, 2001. So they would never tolerate any of this. Our people need to see that the folks that they vote for are going to wield power. That when we get people on the Supreme Court, they're not going to just say no to the new bad stuff Democrats are going to want to do, but they dismantle the bad stuff they've already done. Because we all know the next time they get five justices, they're going to go hell bent on all of that stuff. And as long as our people see, there's a two-tier justice system, you can riot if you're a leftist and it's fine. You can lie in the media and not get de-platformed.

If we tell the truth, we do. As long as they go on, hey, we can just violate courts, the judges, do whatever we want, make up laws. Don't have to have any reason for why voting drop boxes took place or show no evidence of fast work. None of this, just wear it anyway, because we told you to as long as our people continue to see that there's a two-tier justice system. And if nobody righteous rises up, Alley, to do something about it, eventually, people will take the law into their own hands. People didn't turn to a guy in a cape and cowl in Gotham City Alley because everything was going great and the cops were doing their job. It's because they weren't. Do you think, well, actually I have two questions, just going back quickly to the subject of

fraud. What do you think about Chip Roy's argument that, hey, if fraud happened in places like Georgia, which, you know, Donald Trump has alleged for the past two months, if fraud is happening in places like Arizona were also Republicans won on the same ballot statewide. Why weren't, why weren't those Republicans, you know, foiled by fraud? How did they make it to D.C.? Well, I don't know. Here's another question I would respond with. The very day that, the Arizona state legislature itemized under in testimony, several allegations of fraud, their governor, Doug Dushi turned right around, pardon me, Freudian Slip, Ducey turned right around and certified the election that very day. Why didn't we get any answers on this?

See, that's why I said, don't pray for peace. Pray for truth. Let's let the truth have its way. Why did we never have, do you know in these states that did drop boxes, Alley? Like, do you know how many of them had like this special session of the legislature to vote in whether to do these voting drop boxes around the state? You know how many did? Zero. Zero. Wisconsin state legislature, all Republicans. They didn't do a single vote on it. Just the Republican leadership decided we're going to do these vote drop boxes all over the state. We're just going to do it. Why is Georgia, which opened up in the first of May, what was one of the first states to open, was criticized by Trump for opening too fast. Why are they still doing drop boxes? mail-in voting eight months after they reopened like some lockdown forever blue state. Why are they voting like they vote in Oregon and Georgia? Why are they doing that? These are, I don't, those chip asked valid questions. I don't have the answers to them. I ask him the questions I just responded to you with because him and I have been having this

section privately for a month. I can't answer his questions. He can't answer mine. So I don't know. Do we have like any entities, like a justice department, a Congress, an oversight committee where we can have hearings and we can put this all out in the open for everyone to see to finally get to some answers. There's something about the truth in this culture. We don't want it. We don't want to know what the motive of the worst shooting ever in Las Vegas three years ago was, apparently. It's just puffed the magic dragon. It's gone. We don't we don't want to know why we had another lone wolf terrorist attack that the FBI was warned about in Nashville last week. And we don't want to know why they didn't do anything about it for a year. Why? Why don't we want to know?

Last year, Ali, the government said UFOs were real and people like, dude, 5,000, four went out. When I was a kid, people had lost their minds. There'd have been like floods of people in the streets. It's the end of the world if the government announced UFOs were real. It's like we just can't be bothered with the truth. Let's let the truth have its way. I'm not afraid of the truth. Maybe the truth will prove my math is wrong and Donald Trump's just that uniquely popular. I'm okay with that. I don't need the truth to verify my feelings. My feelings are to line up with what the truth is. Let's just find out what's the truth one time in this country. You know, we went through Pete tapes and Russian collusion and Julie Swetnik and Brett Kavanaugh's a marauding rapist. No one was held accountable

for any of that. Can we just one time ever? What's the truth? Yeah. Do you think that yesterday and what we saw at the Capitol actually kind of gets in the way of people seeing both sides of the issue? I mean, we knew that Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz were going to make their case. And then at least yesterday, we didn't get to hear that. But it also seems like you think that it was, I don't know, I don't want to put words in your mouth. But you think if not a justified reaction, people stormy in the Capitol, you do think it was an expected reaction. But don't you think that what happened at the Capitol and what could have happened in the chambers of Congress are at odds? I've used this analogy before.

The answer to your question is, yes. I don't think it's justified. I'm just doing math. All right. It's expected. And I've used this analogy before. I'll share it with your audience. I'm a big hockey fan.

And a lot of people think there's fighting at hockey because people like to watch it on TV. Well, the game is much older than television. The reason why they started allowing hockey for fighting at hockey from the beginning. These are high testosterone-level men. They're playing in a violent sport at a fast pace, high energy. And they're carrying with them a felonious weapon, a sharpened stick. You go up for the puck in the corner. Some guy comes in, broadside you, fractures a rib, breaks your nose into the glass.

The natural human reaction, particularly when masculinity gets involved. is screw you. I'm waving this. I'm not even thinking. I'm going to act on my passions, and I'm going to wave this stick and get back at you for it, except I could make a mistake. I never recover from the rest of my life. I could split somebody's throat. I could knock an eye out. I could do, I could maim them. I could kill them. And then that one moment of mistake that I made undermines all the credibility and character I've built into my life up until that point. So we have to acknowledge, though, at the same time that human nature reacts this way. So what do we do? We allow fighting as a pressure valve. All right? You think you've been wrong?

Drop the gloves and let's go. But then what happens? The refs stand back and let it happen. And then when they see blood or they see one guy as clearly dominating the other, they come in and break it up. The pressure in the room has been, the valve has relieved the pressure back to the game. That's what elections used to be for us. That's what social media was a few years ago. They're taking away all of our pressure valves, Alex. Don't think. men can have a period, you're deplatformed, you're gone. You think that you want to know, hey, I just want to know how we counted, can we at least get a signature audit? Forget the state of Georgia's rural areas. I just want to know that the signatures

in Fulton County, where we saw the late drop-offs, where the Democrats have total control and it kicked observers out. One of my best friends was one of the observers for the White House got kicked out. So I just want to know, all right? I just want to know, can we at least match the signatures, since we don't have voter ID, obviously. with all these mail and ballots. Can we do an audit of the signatures just so we know it was on the up and up? Nope, no, no, can't do any of that. All the pressure valves in our culture are being removed. The left, the spirit of the age propelling it, is got the boot to the throat right now, and it's squeezing down hard. If we on the right do not come up with some legitimate pressure valves,

movements. So what is that? Then there's going to be a civil war, I fear. What is that? Because you've talked about a righteous way to channel the anger that we saw yesterday. You've talked about, you know, the pressure valves. What does that look like? Because I don't want to see something like yesterday happen again in the same way that I don't want to see what has been happening in several cities across the country for six months happen anymore. Some people, of course, on the left, as you've probably talked about as I've talked about or pretending like this is the first time they've seen violence when people that they've defended for the past six months, have been perpetuating egregious things across the nation cities since the summer. Some of us have been calling out violence, you know, since it's been happening, not just the past 24 hours. I don't want this anymore. And I don't personally know. So tell me, as a worried person who agrees that there are some deep problems that both sides feel in different ways for different reasons, what is the answer? I don't want a civil war. I don't want the violence that I saw.

What is the righteous way to do this? If we are in what you have described is this great cosmic fundamental battle. I'm going to reintroduce to my audience today a word, meetness. What does it mean? And a former pastor of mine walked me through what that word really means is power under control. Power under control. The Boston Tea Party, no casualties. They coordinated it.

They plotted it out. made a statement, power under control. That's Samuel Adams and the Sons of Liberty. What went on yesterday was a vent, frustration, a tantrum. That's not power under control. We need power under control. We need our people to run for leadership positions in this party or form a new party if they can't, that they can't get there. So there's a vehicle for people's voices to be heard. We need our Republican states. How many, I think, what is it, 23, 24 states, Republicans have total control of the state. We're going to pass a law. The governor's going to sign it. We don't kill babies in this state. When the Supreme Court or the federal court in San Francisco says you can't, we ignore it.

We're following the highest law. We're doing the righteous thing. We're not angry. We're not rioting. We're just, we're under control, but we are going to exercise our power under control. in our community, we take over the county government. In our community, we're not wearing these stupid Chinese face diapers. We're not doing it. Right. We open your businesses. Open your churches.

We need to affirmatively disobey tyrannical orders. All right. When the Romans hung a sign over Jesus, what did it say? King of the Jews. Now, we know, we know that Christ was crucified for our sins. In the pagan Roman mind, though, what convinced Pontius Pilate is when the Sanhedrin went to him and said, if you don't execute this guy who's raising up a sedition, you're no friend of Caesar. He claims he's a king rivaling Caesar.

In the Roman pagan mind, the reason they put the sign over Jesus's head, king of the Jews, is because in his mind, he was being executed for sedition. He represented a challenge to their government, to their authority. That's what we need to be. A challenge to their authority. Power under control. We will do what is right. We will not do what is wrong.

We will not comply with orders. There was a famous case in Vietnam where a guy was ordered to burn the village in order to save. And then he disobeyed the order. They still court-martialed him. But he disobeyed the order. That's what we need to do. We're not going to do that which God says is wrong, period. And I don't care how many justices at the U.S. Supreme Court say differently.

I don't care how many justices at a federal court say differently. We're going to actually uphold the law. You are not the law. The Constitution is the law. And we're going to enforce it and abide by it. When we get power, it is in order to execute this law. And we're going to execute it. And you will not stop us, period.

That's what we need to do. think part of the problem with what happened yesterday, you described it as a temper tantrum, I would agree, not a good way to express frustration. And I would say the same thing for anything else. Do you not feel that it's probably because Donald Trump is not power under control? He doesn't probably appeal to the same higher authority that you and I do. So he's been pitching a tantrum for the past couple of months. Or do you not see it that way at all? I think I I saw that you said on Twitter that this is not Donald Trump's fault. And I agree, it's certainly not completely Donald Trump's fault. There are a lot of factors at play, but to me, it didn't help.

He didn't help the situation. He threw gasoline on it. Do you disagree with me? I think Donald Trump is neither Orange Man Bad or Cheeto Jesus saves. I think he's largely irrelevant in this cosmic battle, and we have obsessed about him on both sides way too often. Donald Trump, it's what Ben Shapiro says. Donald Trump is. the murderer, he is the coroner. Donald Trump is the result. And I had to accept this. I was angry and upset coming off the cruise campaign, the way that we were mistreated by Fox News and dissed, the way they took our win in Iowa and Roger Ailes ordered that, let's just promote Marco Rubio's third place finish, all the various allegations of adultery and tabloid magazines that Trump planted.

It took me quite a while to get over that. But I had to do it in order to listen to our people. And otherwise, I was just going to become one of these conservatives who goes on CNN and loses his mind and heart and soul in the process. And here's what I learned when I took a step back and removed Trump from the equation. Trump is the lead singer of the band. Yes, he's the face of the band. But there's that point in the concert where the crowd is, the crowd takes over and the lead singer leaps into the crowd, right? And crowd serves. That's who Trump is.

It's about Trump is not the vehicle for this frustration. He has actually been keeping the Republican Party together, removing him from the equation. Right now, all those people, forget about what happened after 1 o'clock Easter. Before noon Eastern yesterday, without Donald Trump, Alley, where do all of those people go on January 7th today? They don't have anywhere to go. Where do they go on January 21st? They don't have anywhere to go. You and I talk a lot of theology on our shows.

Many of their churches are closed. We can't direct them to a church in many places. where's all that energy going to go? Trump capitalized on that energy. He did not engineer it. Trump was shocked when he touched on the immigration issue, that it was that much of a bellwether, and he could ride it all the way to the White House.

This is, the energy was already there. And we're not putting it back in the bottle again. Why? Because this is different than when the Tea Party failed. When the Tea Party failed, you could still say on social media, my daughter is not running in a race against me. guys, but thank you. We're not doing that. You can't do that anymore. They have, they have so

squeezed us now that there's nowhere for that energy to go. And so Trump is irrelevant. This notion that, and I know you've talked about it, I live in a suburb, I hear this too. Let's just make him go away and we'll be nice again and the media won't be as bad. You don't understand. There is a, there's a cold civil war happening. They're trying to hijack and take over your culture. This isn't going to go away. If that Trump going away, it's going to make it worse. because right now our people have nowhere else to channel their energy, and these leftists have nowhere else to direct their fire. So without him there, as a fulcrum between us and them, without him there, they're going to channel their fire at us like yesterday when I just posted

a link to my parlor account on Facebook, and Facebook tagged it as fake news according to their independent backcheckers because they don't like the people that parlor puts on its platform. They haven't banned the right people. See, Trump with Trump gone, they'll come after us instead, and now our people don't have anybody, even if it's just a tweet to own the lives, our people don't have anybody by which to place their energy into. That's a dangerous place to be. Yeah, I agree with you. I guess I just don't know what the tangible next steps are. I agree with you. Well, it seems to come down to also. Somebody in this audience needs to run for state legislature tomorrow. Somebody in this audience who's in the state legislature needs to run for leadership tomorrow.

But what do you also do about the freaking crazy people that are on that side too, who there are some people, and I'm not saying this is indicative of everyone who was there yesterday, but you and I both know. There are people who stormed the Capitol that say that they're on the right, but really they are, they're not people that hold our values at all, that they're not real conservatives, that they, the only value that they really have is that they want to see things, be destroyed. They want scorched earth too, whether they want some form of ethno-nationalism, whether they just like anarchy and they get something out of that. I don't want those kind of people. I don't, I don't want some conspiracy theorists. They exist on the right and the left. I don't want those people running for office. Well, we're all conspirators. Everybody, every time we don't want to

comport to whatever the narrative is of big tech and big media, we're all going to be conspiracies now. We're all going to be Alex Jones now. I know, but you and I know that there is not an equivalent between you and I saying, hey, there's censorship in big tech. And people saying, hey, you know, people who follow Q know that Donald Trump is the Messiah for an evil, you know, global pedophile. I didn't know what a Q drop was. I just found this out last night. I didn't even know what it was. Okay. But you and I know that there's a distinction. We don't want people. I mean, that's that's how old. You know why people don't know, Ali? Because what are our people doing, hiding in their homes, abiding their time for the next presidential run, not check.

challenging Senate leadership, game planning out, following the 19th sentence of the 12th Amendment. You know, D.L. Moody, the great evangelist, could at times be a little cantankerous? And he was confronted once by a woman who thought he should have been nicer. And he looked at her and he said, I like my way of doing something better than your way of not doing anything. What's happening right now is we're not doing anything. And so, and that's why, and here's what we are doing. By doing nothing, we're getting our movement conflated with what you just. talked about and if they look like they're doing stuff and we'll draw a crowd, then they will gain

even more in steam. Why did we lose a bunch of young white kids to this alt-right anti-Semitism? Why did we lose these white kids? Smart white kids, a lot of them college educated. Why did we lose them to this? Because they didn't, they saw the Republican Party wasn't going to fight for them on any level, on any cultural level. So they went for the counterfeit addition instead. we have to offer the real thing open our businesses defy injustice defy tyranny if your church won't open open a church in your home what what seminary did peter go to what seminary did any of the apostles go to then open your home for a bible study we have to start living out that we believe instead as long as we comply with what they're doing to us then a counterfeit version which the enemy would love loves every bit as much because now he owns it's a little bit like he's a casino And he wins no matter who wins the football game because he's got the line perfectly situated right in the middle. So he doesn't care which side wins. He gets his vig.

That's where the spirit of the age is right now. It has the Democratic Party to do whatever it wants to us, whenever it wants, and then it has the Republican Party to do not a thing about it. And then because of that, running right at the middle is going to be what you just talked about, the mob, the Judas Iscarians, the zealots. that's what's going to happen next. If we don't show righteousness in action, if we don't say, if we don't have some Rosa Parks who get on a bus and say, you know what,

my answer is no. No, I'm not sitting in the back. No, my answer is no. I'm not doing this. And I'm tired of seeing one lone woman up against a guy in a shopping mall for not wearing a masks. Why aren't 15 guys walking in that mall without a mask and say,

come at me, you can't arrest us all. Open, I don't want to see one salon owner in Dallas, defying the system? Why aren't all 15 people opening their businesses and say, arrest us all? You can't arrest us all. These laws aren't enforceable. We are enforcing them. We're helping them enforce them on us. As long as we continue to comply with unjust edicts, we will continue to get injustice. I think it also depends on your eschatological views I'm realizing, is that, you know, there are some people, I mean, I'm a pre-millennialist, and I feel like sometimes I function as a post-millennialist in that I do believe in changing people's minds and changing the culture, and I think that can't be

done and things can actually get better. But I am a pre-millennialist in that I do believe that the world will devolve into more chaos and corruption until Christ's return. And I think a lot of people who share that same eschatological view are thinking, look, I got to focus on my family. I got babies. I got kids. I don't want, I don't want to be in civil war. All I can do is, you know, a lot of people, they're homeschooling their kids, they're focusing on their kids. I'm going to love my neighbor. I'm going to go to church. I'm going to be obedient in the things that I can be obedient. And that's what I encourage a lot of people on this show to do. Do you not think that that that is enough being an obedient Christian, being hospitable in a time where we're told that we need

to isolate ourselves, loving our neighbor in a time that we're told to distrust our neighbor. smiling at our neighbor when we're told that we should just avert our eyes, like going to church and obeying God and sharing the gospel in a time that we're told that that's dangerous and bigoted. Like to me, that is the subtle resistance of obeying God and taking up our cross is resistance to tyranny without going out there and killing people and, or not killing people because that's not what happened yesterday, but being violent. Like that to me is rebellion, but it sounds like you're asking for something more than that. Yeah, that won't do it.

And that maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we're all Anabaptists now, because that's what you're described. This was the debate after the Reformation, whether to engage this amongst Protestant reformers, whether to infuse this into a cultural ministry as well or keep it completely separate from the culture. And so what your argument is essentially a Benedict. No, I was about to say that's not the Benedict option. That's not actually what I'm saying, because obviously I wouldn't be hosting the show if I believed that.

I wouldn't be talking about this kind of stuff. I do believe in people understanding what's going on, understanding the policies. But I also, I refuse to believe that we have exhausted all of our peaceful resources and that our only option is the kind of thing that we've seen yesterday. Because, you know, we heard the same thing. When have I made that case in this entire conversation? No, I didn't say that you did. you are saying that I am making the Anabaptist argument to where I am saying that we should separate ourselves from culture and we should just build our own institutions. And I'm just trying to say that, no, I'm not saying that. I do think that they're a democratic and peaceful means

still that we can pursue. And I'm not arguing against some of the suggestions that you have said, but it seems to me, and I think you would totally agree with this, that conservatives for so long have ceded ground in the church that, you know, when our pastors, started preaching about white privilege a few years ago. We just said, eh, I'm not really going to say anything about it. We have ceded ground in entertainment. We've seated ground in our public school. We've said, oh, okay, well, that's a public institution. I don't have a right to say anything about what my teacher is teaching my child. That's fine. We've seated ground in academia. Christians used to be the ones who were making these Ivy League institutions, creating them and founding them.

Then we kind of said, you know what, that's academia? We don't really have a role in that. We were founding the hospitals. Now we've said, oh, science is different than Christian. we don't really need to have any say in science either. So we've ceded ground in all of these areas, especially for the past 20 years. And now we're saying, oh, my only option is to storm the capital. I'm like, hang on. Is it not possible for us to backtrack and for us to say, okay, we've seeded ground, whether we knew that we were doing it or not, we need to gain some of that ground back

in the same way that we, or in the opposite way that we gave it up by surrendering the language by surrendering the conversation by not speaking up to our school board or whatever it is. So what I encourage people to do is, yes, obey the Lord, but also take back the conversation and speak up in your local area for your family where you still can because I have seen it change people's minds. I have seen school boards backtrack. I have seen curriculums taken out of school. I have seen elders and pastors say, I'm so sorry that we decided that you were going to read this book about white fragility or Iber Max Kendi, I didn't realize what critical race theory was. I have seen things change because of that. So do you not think that that is a proper and effective

means by which we actually can make change that doesn't include the craziness we saw yesterday? That's the same. You just quantified the argument I would make in our entire conversation. And if we don't do that, nature abhors a vacuum. If we don't step in, what you just described were several examples of quantifying what I mean by righteous resistance. If we don't do that, then something else will arise to fill that vacuum that will be unholy and will just, you know, what's zero times zero? I say this to my audience all the time. Zero times zero is zero, okay? What you saw yesterday for a brief moment that ruined an otherwise beautiful statement was zero times zero. Zero times zero and an innocent woman gets gun down who's a military veteran

for doing nothing other than just standing there and standing up for what she believes in. She says in the wrong place at the wrong time. You get those kinds of casualties, that kind of collateral damage when we multiply zero times zero. We need to provide a righteous alternative to channel that frustration and anger. And if we don't, and it's got to come from people in the audiences like which are watching us right now. If we don't, then what we saw yesterday, we're going to see more of. And then we're eventually going to see the day when the Mensheviks and the Bolsheviks clash together, when those two forces, the ones we saw this summer, and then what we saw yesterday, decide to take it on amongst themselves. And hey, we haven't even brought the guns in yet, okay? Keep that in mind.

So it's time now. We have been passive for too long. We've been Bartabee the Scribner. When confrontation comes, I would prefer not to. We've been passive for too long. We need some more Martin Luther's now. Here I stand. I can do no more. May God have mercy on my soul. Well, thank you so much. That was, I was thinking, I was like, oh, we're going to have 15-minute conversation, but I also told, I also told my team that, okay, if this is a really good conversation, I'm not going to cut it off. And I can keep talking to you about all this. You are on fire, and I really do appreciate your perspective. And I hope that everyone listening gets a lot out of this, because you do, I mean, I think we agree on the essentials.

You've brought in different perspectives than I have shared and maybe that I hold, but you've also given me a lot to think about and listeners a lot to think about too. So I appreciate that. Can you tell everyone again where they can find you? Just go to blaze.com slash dace, D-E-A-C-E. Follow me on Twitter for now, I guess, at Steve Day's show over on parlor at Steve Dase. And we have a brand new book out. And the heroin is a young woman.

it's a perfect story for your audience. And she faces off one-on-one, one night against the devil, who tries to woo her to her side or to his side. It's called a nefarious Carol, like the Christmas Carol, a nefarious Carol. You can get at Amazon.com right now. It's perfect for your audience. And it touches on a lot of the things we discussed here today, Allie.

Thanks. I appreciate it. Yeah, I've got to go to my show now. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Well, hopefully I warmed you up for the show. I appreciate it. I'm sure we'll talk soon. All right. Take care. God bless.

Bye. All right, guys. I hope that that's jam-packed. And once again, long episode was helpful for you. I know that you are not going to agree with everything that was said on this podcast. I don't even agree with everything that was said on this podcast. You're going to disagree with me or you're going to disagree with Steve. But I hope that that gave you kind of a thorough perspective of what's going on. and I don't want you to despair. I don't want you to think, oh my gosh, what am I going to do? Do I have to anticipate war?

Do I have to be caught up in worry? Do I have to, you know, stage some kind of big rebellion? I want to reiterate what I said to Steve and what I truly believe. And I don't know. I don't think he fully agrees with it. And some of you might not either. But I stand by what I've said, the quiet resistance of daily obedience. to Christ is where the quote, rebellion lies. And I know that there is disagreement on what that

actually looks like in your daily life and what civil obedience looks like. John Knox, the Scottish reformer said resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. But what does that look like in a godly way? That can be a really big question. What I encourage you to do is to remember that you are not omnipotent, that you're not omniscient, that God didn't create you to know everything that's going on everywhere, to be able to control everything, to have power over everything. You can't control what others do, and you might not be called to make some big movement, but what you are called to is daily moment by moment submission to Christ, and I promise you. And, well, that might look like, by the way, some kind of movement or some kind of organization

that you start or speaking publicly about certain issues, it might include that. It might not. It might not. it might simply look like you living your life in accordance to scripture. And no, I'm not talking about being a recluse. I'm not talking about sticking your head in the sand and pretending like you don't know what's going on. But taking life by moment being a faithful wife and mom or an employee or daughter or sister or friend, church member, worship leader, whatever it is, do it all for the glory of God.

And I promise you that's enough. I promise you, that is what God calls you to. I don't know what that looks like in your daily life, but thankfully, graciously, we do have scripture as our guide. Daily obedience is the subtle, it's not really subtle, but the world thinks it's subtle, the subtle resistance to evil and to tyranny. I guarantee you living and sharing the gospel is as radical in a secular world as it gets. Do that.

Do that. that is what you are responsible for. You are only responsible for what is right in front of you, not everything and everyone. Trust in God, who puts the government on his shoulders, who has made enemies, his enemies, his footstool, who is king of kings, who is Lord of Lords, who is incomplete control, who is totally sovereign overall, whose authority has it slipped or diminished for one second. Trust in him, hope in him. All right, that's all I've got for today. I am praying for this country. I'm praying for you all. I'm praying for my family. I'm praying for yours. We will be back here on Monday. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest

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