Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 576 | The Secret Deal that Made Biden President & Wrecked America | Guest: Victor Davis Hanson

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed.

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Starting point is 00:00:55 That's good ranchers.com slash alley. Okay, guys, today we are talking to. one of my favorite people on the planet and definitely one of my favorite guests. And that is Victor Davis Hansen. He is a historian. He has been on this podcast several times giving us his incredible political insight. Today we're going to talk about a few things. We are going to talk a little bit more about the state of the union. We're going to spend some time talking about Kamala Harris, like what the heck is she even saying or doing? And we are also going to talk about Ukraine and Russia. He's just got a lot of interesting things to say. I think he provides insight

Starting point is 00:01:43 like no one else. I don't think that you can get the kind of wisdom that you get from Victor Davis Hansen from any other political commentator. And so I'm super excited for what you are going to gain from this conversation because it's a lot. But I'm going to talk about at least one thing, maybe a couple things before we actually get into that conversation. It's a fairly quick conversation in about 30 minutes, then I'll have some things to say after it as well. But I saw this clip circulating that I didn't want it to show you guys from Ron DeSantis, Republican governor of Florida. I know a lot of you guys really love him.

Starting point is 00:02:17 As do I. He has really been leading the way against the COVID, the anti-scientific COVID hysteria. He, his attorney, or not his attorney general, but his surgeon general in Florida have really been trying to push the actual science. when it comes to vaccination and when it comes to masks and mask mandates, they have really been pushing against mandatory masking in schools because they know the data just doesn't support that nonsense. And so he was at an event yesterday and there were kids behind him for this event where he

Starting point is 00:02:55 was giving a speech and they were wearing masks and he says, just stop it. So let me play you that clip. You do not have to wear those masks. I mean, please take it. Honestly, it's not doing anything. And we got to stop with this COVID theater. So you want to wear it. All right, but this is ridiculous. All right. Well, it's good to be at USF. So he was obviously genuinely frustrated there. And I actually love that. I love that the frustration with the COVID theater is genuine. That means he feels like you and I do. Like we feel the same frustration about that. When we see kids wearing masks, we want to say the same thing.

Starting point is 00:03:33 A lot of times we don't. I actually know some people who do. say something. I think one of you guys messaged me that you said something to someone in a grocery store who's like three-year-old child was wearing a mask. And then when you saw them again, they weren't wearing a mask. And so I'm not saying that we need to like pry into people's lives. I believe in the people having the option to do what they want to do. I completely disagree with you masking your child. And I don't think the mask over your mouth and nose is doing anything either. But I liked that he was this frustrated. I saw some people saying, you know, this is the kind of nagging tone that conservatives don't like from the left when it comes

Starting point is 00:04:08 from the other direction, you know, nagging people, finger wagging, saying you need to wear masks. And Ronda Santis is kind of doing that too, except for on the other side. And I just, I don't see it that way. I think that he is on the correct side, obviously, and he's on the scientific side, and he's tired of seeing these meaningless virtue signals when it comes to kids. And it also, just to be fair, it's not necessarily a great. great look because he has fought against the masking of children and then he's at this event and children are being masked behind him or teenagers rather. Some of these kids when he says this,

Starting point is 00:04:45 they take off the masks and they kind of smile at the camera and I'm like, I love it. And then you have other kids who I think are like dutifully standing there and they have their masks on and they're not going to take their mask off. And what's sad is I've heard from several of you that your child, not your child's class, even after masks have become optional, that they are continuing to wear them. Yes, because there has been psychological damage that has been inflicted on kids for the past couple of years where they're paranoid. They're scared. Even though their little flimsy clothed Spider-Man mask isn't doing anything, their parent has told them, this is how you protect yourself from dying. This is how you protect mommy.

Starting point is 00:05:30 and daddy and grandma and grandpa from dying. This is how you be a good person. The people who don't wear a mask are bad people. And this is a virus out there that could kill you if you don't wear this mask. And so, of course, that's just going to go away. Kids can't even process how all of a sudden the science changed to where they don't have to wear this apparently life-saving device that is indicative of their love for people. And so you are going to see kids, teenagers, unfortunately, wear these masks,

Starting point is 00:06:00 a long time. We've talked about many times the consequences of covering your mouth when you're trying to communicate and understand people's emotions. I don't even think we can quantify the negative ramifications that this will have on kids for years to come. I say good for Ron DeSantis. I like this attitude about masking kids from him. This to me was a point in his favor. I don't care what people say that they didn't like the tone. You know what? This has been going on for too long. It's about time. Someone took it seriously. And again, reflected the frustrations that we have. So you know what? Good for Ron DeSantis. I like Ron DeSantis. We were just talking before the camera turned on whether or not we think that Ron DeSantis is going to run for president. Look, I think Trump has made it pretty clear that he is going to run. I think he made it clear on this show. He basically said, you know, I don't, I can't announce anything because of different rules, but I think you're going to be very. happy. That's what he told us when I interviewed him. If you haven't listened to that, you definitely should. It's a very intriguing, very Trump-Trump interview, if you know what I mean.

Starting point is 00:07:09 So I think that he is going to run. If I am Ron DeSantis, I probably don't want to run against Donald Trump. Look, Donald Trump is going to play dirty. It doesn't matter how much he may have liked you before if you are his opponent. Like, he is going to get down into the mud. And that could possibly hurt a person's political career forever. Maybe not, but it possibly could. And Ron DeSantis probably doesn't want to pit supporters of him against supporters of Donald Trump or himself against supporters of Donald Trump. And he's doing really well as the governor of Florida. I'm thinking that he might be thinking, I have no idea. I don't have any special insight into this. But he might be thinking, you know what? I'm going to give Florida four more years. I'm going

Starting point is 00:07:48 to get overwhelmingly reelected, which I think he absolutely will. So why don't I just stay here and we'll see what happens? I mean, he's young. He's in his early 40s. That is like, that is several lifetimes younger than Joe Biden, who was alive during the Civil War. So I think that, you know, he might have some cushion. On the other hand, maybe he should take advantage of the momentum that he has right now. And maybe he should just go for it. I don't know. Thank goodness.

Starting point is 00:08:15 I'm not a political advisor. I just know that I like the guy. He seems like a fighter to me. He has been on the right side of every issue that I've seen so far as for a governor. I don't think we ever put too much hope and too much stock in any politician. But I like what I see so far. I do hope that one day we see him as president of the United States. I think that would be a huge blessing.

Starting point is 00:08:39 As of right now, that's my vantage point. That's what I see. And I just liked. I liked this clip. I liked his frustration because I feel the same way Ron DeSantis. Hey, this is Steve Deast. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political.

Starting point is 00:08:54 They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God. humanity and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this Steve Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us.

Starting point is 00:09:29 Thank you so much for joining us again. I am curious about your reaction, your response to what seemed to me as an appeal to the center or center right during Biden's state of the union when he talked about funding the police, securing the border, buying American, opening the schools, all these things that I think you and I agree with, but he doesn't actually seem to agree with when you look at his policies. Why do you think that he decided on that approach when it can. to the state of the union? Well, I mean, he just threw out, it would be as if as conservatives and we were up for, we were politicians and we were up for reelection in the sense of our party was in the midterms. And we knew that the conservatives are going to be wiped out because nobody liked our agenda and yet we wouldn't change it. We would say we want to raise taxes. I agree with that.

Starting point is 00:10:24 Or we would say things like we've got to embrace the new Green Deal. But we wouldn't give any details and we wouldn't mean it. They were just fill up, just throw out lines. And that's what he was doing. Because if he really meant that, he would have given a systemic analysis. You could have said, like the German chancellor, we've got to produce more nuclear power. We've got to open up ANWR. We've got to open new leases on federal lands for gas and oil fracking.

Starting point is 00:10:53 He could have said we need the Keystone pipeline to be completed. We need more liquid natural gas. terminals help Europe out. We can okay the East Mid pipeline with Israel Cyprus. In Greece, it'll bring billions of cubic feet of natural gas to Italy. He didn't do any of that because he doesn't, he doesn't believe it. He doesn't want to. And he knows if even if he wanted to, he couldn't because he made a devil's bargain in 2020 with a hard left. And the deal was that Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Corey Booker, Kamala Harris, couldn't. not be elected, and he had a veneer of moderation that they didn't. And then they went to him and said,

Starting point is 00:11:36 you can't win without us. And so you carry us over the finish line. You get to be president. We get the agenda. And I think that's where we are. Yeah, you know, that actually leads perfectly to my next question, because I've heard you talk about this before, this kind of Faustian bargain that got Biden elected. And just from the outside, I looked at the primary and I said, I'm not sure how what's possible how you coming forth in the Iowa caucus and then somehow you become the nominee. Can you talk a little bit more about that? I know you said that, okay, it was kind of the hard left saying we know that we can't get elected. You can. So basically, they said you have to kind of represent the issues that we represent. We just kind of need your face and good old trustworthy Joe

Starting point is 00:12:20 to win the election and then you can kind of govern from the left. In your estimation, that's kind of why he has governed the way that he has, right? Yeah, I think when he went into South Carolina and was going to lose the nomination probably, and then Nevada after then James Clyburn pretty much told him we're going to get a monolithic African-American vote, 30 or 40 percent of the electorate. And they were not going to vote for Pete Buttigieg. They were not going to vote for Beto had dropped out. So they told Joe Biden, you're going to be the minority back.

Starting point is 00:12:57 candidate, but we expect certain things of you. And you're not going to go back to the old Joe Biden from Scranton that used to talk about tough on crime or your mother was endangered by criminal predators or drug addict, none of that anymore. And so that's what he, you know, when we're talking about Joe Biden, it's kind of cruel to say, but that's kind of a construct. Joe Biden is 79. He's a very old 79. Some people 79 are 59 and some are 99 and Joe happens to be one that's 99. Right. And so to the degree that he knows exactly what predicament he's in, I think it's overseen or arranged by Jill Biden, his wife, and Ron Clayne is chief of staff. I think the Obama's play a prominent role as well. Yeah. I'm curious kind of what Kamala thinks of all of this,

Starting point is 00:13:48 because if you watch her, even during the State of the Union, there was one point. I don't know if everyone who's listening to this caught this when he said something about the spirit of the Iranian people. Yes. And he meant to say Ukraine. And she was behind him and she just kind of mouthed Ukrainian. And it seems to me, at least behind the mask that she's typically wearing, that she is really biting her tongue. When Joe Biden says stuff like this, there was after his Supreme Court nominee, she gave a speech the other day. and Joe Biden got up and he said, oh, I forgot to introduce the second gentleman and it feels really strange saying that.

Starting point is 00:14:24 I mean, he said that publicly, which is just kind of awkward. And you could just see Kamala Harris kind of gritting her teeth, trying not to say anything. I don't know if you have any special insight. But what do you think that she's thinking as she sees this person who is basically a puppet trying to lead the free world? Well, I think she's saying that she feels that she is playing a very important role. because remember he did with her what he did with our latest Chief Supreme Court Justice nomination. He said, we're going to have a black woman. And when you surveyed the landscape of prominent senators or governors that usually are nominated for vice presidents,

Starting point is 00:15:04 that she was the only person available, really. And she feels that she's done him a great favor. And she feels also that he's an embarrassment, but. he also, she's angry at him because she's kind of playing the role. You remember Susan Rice? And during the Benghazi, just to take one example, whenever there was a mess, Hillary didn't go out there, and Obama himself didn't go out there, and they would get Susan Rice, and she would go out and lie about Benghazi five times in one day.

Starting point is 00:15:40 She would, you know, she would tell everybody that, oh, this was a, you know, it was not al-Qaeda, it was not, it was just a spontaneous riot, etc., et cetera, mad about a video, rather than a hit about it. And she lied and downplayed. And then when it was about Syria, she said, you know, all the WMD are out. They weren't. She knew that. And et cetera, et cetera.

Starting point is 00:16:08 So in Kamala Harris's frame of mind, she's a black woman, and they use. her to do the dirty work to damage her and that means they send her to the border or they know that she knows nothing about foreign affairs so they send her over to bulk up NATO or they have her explained to children almost in a kind of like a infantile fashion this is a Ukraine it's a it's a country in Europe and it's not as been and then there's Russia and it makes her look foolish and so I think they get back I have that they have a very relationship. I think she is her staff, hence, that Joe is not capable cognitively, and his staff

Starting point is 00:16:52 says that she is, but she doesn't know anything. And she's done him a great favor in a way that's kind of perverse in the sense that she's playing the role of when I was younger, Spiro Agnew, and that everybody thought Nixon should resign, but until Spiro Agnew suddenly was indicted for all of his fraud when he was involved in Baltimore politics. Nobody wanted to have Nixon resign that year because they thought Agnew just couldn't and shouldn't and would never conceivably be president. And they kind of thought that Nixon was smirking and had appointed him for that reason in case he ever got in trouble. You don't want a good strong vice president. And of course, when Nixon had to go, then all of a sudden there were federal attorneys that came out of nowhere

Starting point is 00:17:40 and said, oh, by the way, I remember that way, way back when Spiro Agnew was a cook, and we just found out new information. So we're going to try him. And then he had to resign. As soon as he resigned, they could impeach Nixon. And they got a new vice president that was suitable, Jerry Ford. But I think that's – she does him a great favor. If you had a mainstream, democratic mainstream, I don't know who that would be.

Starting point is 00:18:09 I'm not fond of very many of them, but say somebody like Chuck Schumer was vice president right now. There would be a lot of calls for Biden within the party to step down. Right. But they know that Camilla Harris is an electoral disaster. She didn't get one vote, not one vote in the primaries. Not one delegate, and they know that. And there's a reason why she's off-putting. She's socially inept.

Starting point is 00:18:35 She has no frame of knowledge or reference to seem. experienced or detailed or knowledgeable. It's sad. Right. Here in California, anybody who watched her career knew that she never really had to go out into the arena, so to speak, and debate people and show and be judged on her merit. She was either a consort or Willie Brown and got appointed to all these state boards. And then she got the San Francisco elite to get her finance her to be city or then county attorney and then attorney general. So it was always handed to her.

Starting point is 00:19:10 Yeah, right. I've heard a lot of people that know a lot about California politics just expressed their shock. Even Democrats say that they were shocked when she was appointed to this position. Not that they were surprised that Joe Biden would make this pick, but just looking at her career, how she got to where she is. It's just kind of crazy, but unfortunately to be expected. She recently was giving a speech, and we don't have the clip right now, where she amazingly said, I'm sure Republican,

Starting point is 00:19:38 are going to use this in their campaign ads who said, you know, when you vote, you order for something. And right now, the American people are getting what they ordered in voting for Joe Biden. Now, of course, that means, okay, they ordered inflation. They ordered unrest. They ordered to pay more at the gas pump and having a harder time feeding their family. And so I guess they ordered all of those things and they got it. What do you think of that? Is this just another example of her just kind of being politically incompetent? I mean, what was going through her mind do you think when she actually said that out loud? Well, I think you're right that she's politically incompetent,

Starting point is 00:20:23 but there's a side of all of us who think, well, she's not that politically incompetent. In other words, when Joe Biden gives these addresses how great everything is going and she knows they're not, then she says, well, you got everything you wanted. and he's not going to go say to her, what do you mean? And she's going to say to him, well, you just went through all the things you've done. Your great inflation, your great energy spikes, your great Afghanistan flight, your great open border. So I'm just doing what you do, supporting you. And she knows that when she says it, it's an indirect criticism sarcastic of him.

Starting point is 00:21:00 But there's some part of that, I think. I think it's going to get, if the midterms come out as they are, and that, And if Joe Biden, he seems to be, I don't want to be too cruel, but he seems to be declining geometrically rather than arithmetically. And by that, I mean every two-week period, he seems more flustered than he was the two-week period before and before. And if that coincides in November and they lose 60 seats, say, or five or six sentence, there's going to be a big call in that Democratic Party to do something.

Starting point is 00:21:35 Because they have a, they're going to look. at something that could be like 1932 where they they don't just lose the House and Senate in 2022, but they lose them in 2024 with supermajorities in the Senate and huge margins in the House and a Republican president that could do almost anything they wanted. There'd be no way to stop them. And they know that. And so they're going to have to take measures. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:22:04 They're not to that point yet. They don't turn on the squad that got them in this trouble. They won't question Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, or those people. But I think in the midterm, it's going to be pretty clear what these people have done to them. Yeah, I think that's probably part of the reason, at least in my opinion, why a lot of these Democratic states are rolling back on the mask mandates and the restrictions. They say were rooted in science. I guess the science has changed in a matter of a week or so.

Starting point is 00:22:29 The science on masks changed the day before the state of the union in Congress, of course. It seems to be all kind of playing into that, that they know a lot. lot of the things that they have done are deeply unpopular. They want to be able to win the midterms. The state of the union to me, he was, it was a fake appeal to the center right just like his campaign. He wanted them to believe that he's moderate. It also showed me that he understands that the majority of Americans are still pretty conservative. I mean, you don't give a state of the union where you talk about funding the police and securing the border and buying American, unless you think a large portion of your audience is going to get on board with that and be a

Starting point is 00:23:07 excited about that. My fear is that we have a lot of Americans who are going to be duped yet again into thinking Democrats are moderate, that this is the only way to save democracy, that they are going to forget the heck that we've been through over the past few years, largely because of democratic policies. I mean, what are the chances, do you think, are of people kind of forgetting the blunder that is Joe Biden in the Democratic Party and come midterm, say, you know what, life. it's pretty good now. Things are back to normal. I think I am going to continue to vote Democrat and support Joe Biden. Well, you know, I can know as a historian, I just look at what Bill Clinton did. He got wiped out in the 92 midterm. It's terrible, almost as bad as Barack Obama. It was

Starting point is 00:23:53 largely because of Hillary Care. And then he triangulated. He had Dick Morris sneak in the back of the White House every day. And he came out in his state of the union after that election and said that, you know, the era big government is over. We're going to have 100,000 police officers on the street. We're going to pay for school uniforms. These were all, you know, just fluff stuff. But he did, he did ban the hard left for a while. And then he got overwhelmingly reelected. Same thing happened to Barack Obama. He got wiped out even more so in the midterms over the way he rammed in Obamacare. And while he didn't quite triangulate, he didn't open the border like Biden did. And he railed and railed about, you know, fossil fuels, but he didn't cut back on leases to the same degree.

Starting point is 00:24:52 And so what I'm getting at is that two things. One, Biden is not going to do what they did in any material way. He's going to steal. He's a cat. They weren't a captive. They ran. At that time, there was something called a centrist base in the Democratic Party. Obama was afraid of it. Clinton counted on it. And that doesn't exist anymore. And so I think Biden, there's no reason for him to actually go through with all of these little talking points.

Starting point is 00:25:24 And he thinks appeals to independence. He won't do it. They won't let him do it in the way that Clinton did. The other thing is the media is very different today. during in 1994 and five, there was no internet like we know it. Even in 2010, there wasn't a Joe Rogan or there wasn't all of these, what we're doing now. And so I think there's so many outlets now that are not network news or PBS or New York Times or NPR that they can't control. And so the word gets out just how phony Joe Biden is. And before, you couldn't really, you know, there wasn't a way the general public didn't have access to the same amount of conservative thought that they do now. And so I think, I don't think anybody's going to be, there's a third thing, too, whatever we think of the politics of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, when every one of their issues was underwater and they were for the first two years, they had a youthful, charismatic presence.

Starting point is 00:26:30 and they were malephalous on this on the teleprompter and so they could nullify the downside by their you know they always if you look at the polls they always personally polled higher than their issues and the exact opposite is true of joe biden he is a force multiplier of his unpopular issues people see him and he has i'm 68 so i want to be very careful but he has this old man angry look where it's sort of like, you know, when I was a little boy, that's kind of a stereotype. We'd go into town and we'd all ride bikes and cut across the long. We shouldn't have done it of a retired couple. And this guy would come out and he would just get off my rag. You know, he just yell. Yes. And he would grimace.

Starting point is 00:27:17 And I felt bad for him. But that's what Joe Biden does. He squints, he yells and he gets angry and he has the wrong intonations. And then he tries to, he just makes everybody think, I don't like the issues, but I really don't like him. Right. And before it was, well, I don't like the issues. Barack Obama is our first African-American president.

Starting point is 00:27:39 He's young, and he cuts a good figure on the national stage. Clinton's a good old boy from Arkansas, kind of a nasty, naughty little guy, but he's ours. And, you know, that kind of stuff. But you don't get any of that with Joe Biden. It's entirely negative. And that's not just because of his age and cognitive challenges. He was never that way. I think a lot of people think, well, I remember the good old joke.

Starting point is 00:28:02 I don't. I remember the plagiarist in the 1988 campaign. I remember the guy who said to Obama, you're the first clean, articulate black that ran for office. I remember put you all in change. I remember the corn pop stories. I remember him defaming the person, that tragic accident where his first wife was killed. I remember him blaming the truck driver and telling the nation the guy was drunk when he wasn't, and it wasn't his fault. He did a lot of nasty bad thing.

Starting point is 00:28:30 That's aside from the whole Hunter, Biden, Tara Reid, all the personal problems. So I just don't think that he's going to, by force of his person, be able to nullify the own popularity of his policies. And even Barack Obama said never underestimate Joe Biden's ability to F things up. And I think we've seen that. And strangely enough, Jin Saki seems to be kind of admitting that. I want to play you this clip and get it. It's your reaction to it. I was at the State Department.

Starting point is 00:29:01 The president was the vice president. The last time Russia invaded Ukraine. This is a pattern of horror from President Putin and from the cronies around him. Okay, so we've got a pattern here. Apparently, Putin only invades when Joe Biden is in office. And she thought that that was a good point to make. Yeah, I think the Democrats, I mean, they've been, the conserves have been relentless. They even include 2008 because they're not fond.

Starting point is 00:29:27 to George W. Bush, but they say, look, 2008, oil prices were high. We were bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan. Putin goes into Georgia. And then 2014, oil prices are high. Obama has the hot mic. He appeases, brings the Russians into the Middle East for the first time to 40 years, promises to dismantle missile defense, and he goes into Ukraine in Crimea. And then he does it in 2022, and the oil prices are high. And we talk loud with the little twigs. So we say, please don't hack 16 companies or something. That's what Biden did in January.

Starting point is 00:30:12 Or please, please, Vladimir, pump more oil. And then they look at that four-year period with Trump. And they've told the nation that he colluded. I think John Brennan called him treasonous. James Clapper said he was a Russian asset. And then lo and behold, they look at it and they think, wow, how do we spend this? He didn't go in for four years anywhere. And was it possible that it was because Trump killed a bunch of mercenaries in Syria or got out of an asymmetrical missile deal?

Starting point is 00:30:40 Or he pumped a lot of oil and he crashed the price or he upped the defense budget or job on NATO into spending $100 million or kept the sanctions on the oligarchs or sold offensive javelin missiles to Ukraine? And, and, and, and, you know, And it just drives them crazy. So now they've come up with a really bizarre, if you've seen it. Well, yeah, he didn't invade during the four years of Trump, but we know why. It was because he got everything he wanted from Trump. So there was no reason to invade.

Starting point is 00:31:11 Whereas he didn't get anything. And I'm thinking, what did he get? He was so happy that we got a bigger defense budget. He was delighted that NATO spent $100 extra million. He was tickled to death that we got out of a missile treaty that favored Putin. He really wanted more javelins in Ukraine. I mean, it's absurd. Can you, I know this is a big question,

Starting point is 00:31:39 and you could probably spend hours explaining all of this to us, but just in the next few minutes, can you kind of summarize your thoughts about what is going on in Ukraine? And Joe Biden's response to it, there are so many mixed messages, competing narratives. A lot of skepticism, I think, from the right, about the messages that we are hearing about Ukraine. and kind of how involved in this we need to be, how focused on this as an American people,

Starting point is 00:32:07 we need to be. How significant is what's going on between Ukraine and Russia? And what do you think about America's response to it so far? See, I think conservatives have to be really careful because the left is watching what they say and the left wants to get out of their jam. And their jam is that they appeased Putin and they gave him everything he wanted. And as we just said, he moved. Okay, so if you say, well, that's not our business in Ukraine or Putin has historical ties with

Starting point is 00:32:44 Ukraine in a way that we don't quite understand or the Ukrainians are corrupt, that's all true. And they've interfered with our politics. Lieutenant Colonel Vindman was offered the Ministry of Defense and the phone call impeachment. and at least Putin is strong. If you do that, what you're doing is you're building up a sympathetic case for someone who's a thug and a killer. And so I think the better way of, if you're a conservative, is to say, we didn't create this mess. We wanted to pump oil. We believe in deterrence.

Starting point is 00:33:20 We wouldn't have got into the mess in Afghanistan as you did. We would not have ever had a hot mic exchange and try to make a deep. about our reelection the way Obama did. We would have never allowed him to continue to hack the way he did in Obama. We wouldn't beg anybody to pump oil because we would pump oil. And we are the quiet ones that carry a big stick. We're not the loud ones that don't have deterrence. And then I think we should say Putin is an iridentis. That's a fancy words. You remember for what Mussolini was doing in the 30s or Hitler. and the idea that you have lost territories that no matter how they've evolved, they're all going to come back into the center.

Starting point is 00:34:03 And it never works. It didn't work with Milosevic and Serbia. It didn't work with Mussolini. It won't work with Putin. But that's what he wants to do. And he's an opportunist. And every time he sees oil prices high where he gets money and people need energy or the president is weak and he talks tough in lieu of having real power,

Starting point is 00:34:24 metal or NATO is squabbling, they're not meeting their 2%, or Germany's cutting an energy. He moves 2008, 2014, and now. And it was predictable what he's going to do. And so I think that's what we have to say. And we're very interested in this because he's got nuclear weapons and he's trying to feign. I think he's feigning that he's crazy and he could use them if anybody supplies Ukraine, the NATO countries, et cetera. So we have to be very careful to deter him.

Starting point is 00:34:58 And there's people who are watching this arena. And they are the Iranians that are wondering, hmm, we're about a year away from a bomb. And once we get that bomb, we're probably thinking about using it against Israel. But what's the reaction to the world to Ukraine? And then there's a Chinese. And they're thinking, well, this was supposed to be a five-day invasion. He was supposed to go in like he did with Crimea or Eastern Europe or Jordan. Eastern Ukraine or Georgia, decapitate Zelensky's government, take over the country, present

Starting point is 00:35:31 the world with a fate accompli, get a lot of pride and patriotism in Russia, scare the hell out of NATO, tell Germany, do you want me to cut off your oil because I can do it? And now I'm right next to NATO. I got Ukraine. That's what was supposed to happen. And it may happen. And if it happens in a year from now, he won't care of. how many people he kills or is killed, he will just tell the world, Ukraine is mine.

Starting point is 00:35:58 I'm the first Russian to get it back since the Cold War. And I can do this again and again and again. And maybe messy, but you better be very careful NATO. And that's what he's thinking. And he's right about that. That will have a, that all these grave speeches we see today in Europe, if he gets away with this a year from now, and he owns that whole 44 million person country, people in Europe are going to be saying, okay, okay, we'll buy oil from you, okay, we'll be helpful.

Starting point is 00:36:29 We won't do this with NATO. And so that's what he's counting on. And the Chinese are looking at this, and they're saying, hmm, we were going to go into Taiwan, but what if the Taiwanese fought with like the Ukrainians? And what if the Americans or the Australians or the South Koreans, the Japanese flooded that country with japlains and stingers, like they're trying to do in Ukraine? and what we got we got bogged down for five or six days. And what if the world sanctioned us like they're sanctioning Russia?

Starting point is 00:37:00 And what if they went out of expatriate Chinese billionaires all over the world, like they're going after the oligarchs? And what if they deported all of our students? So maybe we better just sit back a little bit and watch what happens because we expected like the Russians that the West would continue to appease us and Putin. So there's a lot at stake. And I think in the next week or so, we'll find out what's going on. It's a very strange war because usually every journalist in the world, whether it's in the Middle East or whether it's in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Libya or the Balkan wars, they flocked there.

Starting point is 00:37:35 And we would get these, you know, correspondents on the front lines, but we're not getting any news. And then we just get this picture of this long corridor. And we're told that, you know, it's going to encircle Kiev, but it hasn't yet. Yeah. And we're told that this is the, this would be an. ideal target for these javelins with a two and a half mile range. And what I'm getting at is, on the one hand, we're told that 15,000 jowdlands are pouring in. But obviously, they're not there. Are they be used? So something's going on. And I think what's going on is it's very difficult for

Starting point is 00:38:08 that country that was surprised. It did not have stockpiles of weapons. We didn't send them very much at all after Trump left office. And just now, they're scrambling to get anti-tank and anti-tank and anti-aircraft weaponry to stop this. But I don't, and the question will be, do they, will they have enough in the next three days and will they have enough skilled people to use them to make a difference? If they don't, Putin's going to win. And let's hope he doesn't. But I think it's very important for conservatives to see that for all the left's contortions, they are scrambling to turn it back on conservatives. They were the ones that created the landscape in the environment that allowed Putin to go in there. They were the ones that both cooked up the Russian

Starting point is 00:38:56 collusion hopes, the Alfa Banka, the Steele dossier that enraged him, and then they were the ones that appeased him, appeased him, and gave him the oil revenue that made him powerful. So they created an angry, powerful dictator. And because that dictator criticizes the excess of the West sometimes, or seems like the left really hates him, that should not allow conservatives to get fooled and go in in some way, say something that can be interpreted that they're pro-Putin. That is disastrous for the conservatives' cause if they do that. Yes, and unfortunately I've seen a little bit of that, but I do think...

Starting point is 00:39:40 I have two. Yes, I do think the majority of conservatives, though, see exactly what you're saying, or at least their instincts are in the direction. of what you're articulating. So I appreciate your insight so much today, as always. Thank you very much for taking the time to come on. Thank you for having me. All right. So there were so much more that I wanted to talk to him about. He's got a really interesting podcast, the Victor Davis Hanson Show, that I recommend to you. And I was listening to it. And he was saying a lot of really interesting things. And one thing that I didn't get to ask him about that I've heard him say before is that President Putin

Starting point is 00:40:22 actually has donated, has funnel money into environmental causes in the United States. And this ties back to kind of what we were talking about in there about the Faustian bargain that Joe Biden made with the far left so that he could become the nominee and he could then represent their policies so that he could look like he was going to be a moderate guy during the election, get elected, you know, win the nomination, then win the general election. but then he was going to actually govern to the left, which is exactly what he has done. And one of the issues that is important to the progressive left in the Democratic Party is climate change. And also the various corporations and organizations that are funding the Democratic Party,

Starting point is 00:41:06 this is one of their main priorities, which is why I believe on the first day, if not the first week of Joe Biden's presidency, he shut down the Keystone XL pipeline, which of course helped us and was going to help us, remain energy independent. We were energy independent. Under Donald Trump, we were relying on ourselves for oil. And Joe Biden ensured that we would become energy dependent. So we would be relying on Russia for our oil and more on the Middle East for our oil. That is ethically problematic for a variety of reasons, but also it puts us in this situation right now where we are trying to deter Russia, but we are unwilling to sanction their oil industry, which is actually lining their pockets and

Starting point is 00:41:50 funding the invasion of Ukraine because we are afraid of how that will affect our allies in Europe and also how that will affect the United States. Well, if we were energy independent and we were the ones not just relying on our own oil, but also exporting the oil to these European countries, we wouldn't be in the mess that we're in. So he, because of environmentalism and I would say the facade of environmentalism, Joe Biden has made the choice that he has made in shutting down the gas pipelines in the United States, much of the gas pipelines in the United States and ending the federal sales of oil and gases we talked about a few days ago with Josh Hammer. So a lot of you have been asking, though, why do this? If you say that you care about climate change and

Starting point is 00:42:38 you say that fracking and these pipelines are bad for the climate, how does it make any sense to then just rely even more on these foreign regimes and these foreign powers for our oil. Isn't that even worse for the climate because they're having to ship the oil a longer way to the United States in order to get it here? Because the demand for gas remains the same. It's not like there's now less oil. It's just that we are depending on these other countries for our oil. And doesn't that increase like our carbon footprint even more that we're relying on this foreign oil? And of course, the answer is yes. And if you're wondering why, why is that? If you say you care about the climate, then why are you doing that? That's because climate policy,

Starting point is 00:43:19 in the United States is largely fake. It's a facade. It's not real. They say that they care about the climate. John Kerry cares about the climate. They're always flying private. They don't care about their own carbon footprint in the same way that all of the rich people who say that they care about, you know, the penguins in Antarctica.

Starting point is 00:43:36 They have a huge carbon footprint because they live in these mansions. They all fly private. They all do these things that, you know, take up a lot of space and use a lot of resources and energy. But they want you to believe. that you, the, you know, stay-at-home mom that lives on the farm because you have too many kids, that you're the one that's actually damaging the climate. And they want to try to control your life and they want to make your life harder,

Starting point is 00:44:02 saying that it is in the name of trying to, you know, deter climate change, but they're not willing to make any changes in their life. It's all fake. We rely on foreign oil, not because that actually helps the climate in any way, but so we can look like we are helping. the climate by shutting down our own pipelines. But as we've seen, that leads to all, that leads to all kinds of problems, not just domestically, but also in our foreign affairs. And so it's just, I don't know how else to explain it. Climate policy in the United States

Starting point is 00:44:35 is a fraud. It's a fake. And it actually ends up hurting you. It is actually hurting your bank account right now. And that is why Putin, at least the Obama administration, actually said that he supported America's commitment to environmentalism. Of course. Of course he does because that means that we rely and the world relies on Russia for oil. And that makes sure that he has more money. Again, that is funding the invasion that he is conducting right now. So it all comes back to if America really wants to be strong. One, I think a strong America is better for the world. Then we need to be self-reliant. And Joe Biden has actively worked against that self-reliance. And this also ties into our reliance on China. There's a lot there. But just realize that when Joe Biden says that he

Starting point is 00:45:25 is committed to all of these things that he thinks is going to make America stronger, he and his party and even some people in their Republican Party, we can tie this all into the World Economic Forum and the Great Reset as well, are actually committed to a weak America. A weak America is actually necessary, I believe, for the New World Order that the World Economic Forum is set on. And I will link some past episodes on that. I wish that was just some giant conspiracy theory and that I had no idea what I was talking about. Unfortunately, it's not. I think this president is certainly committed to that. And then there was even more that I wanted to talk about with him, but I just wanted to mention that at the end because a lot of you guys have been asking me how it makes sense the decisions

Starting point is 00:46:07 that Joe Biden has been making when it comes to not sanctioning Russia's oil industry and also not relying on our own oil. That's the answer that I have for you. All right, if you could please leave the show a five-star review. Wherever you listen, that would mean so much to us. Thank you guys for listening and for watching on YouTube. I hope you have a great, wonderful weekend, and we will be back here on Monday. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Alley, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political.

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