Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 592 | Sharing the Gospel with Trump | Guests: Phil & Al Robertson

Episode Date: March 31, 2022

Today we're talking with Phil and Al Robertson, BlazeTV hosts of "Unashamed," at their studio in Louisiana. We hear Phil's amazing testimony as he describes going from a life of sin to being redeemed in the Lord. Then, we talk about the time Phil was able to share the gospel with Donald Trump when they first met and how hearing what Phil had to say seemed to have a lasting impact on the former president. Phil then tells us about meeting the daughter he didn't know he had — 40 years after she was born. Lastly, why did Phil want to write his new book, 'Uncanceled?' --- Today's Sponsors: My Patriot Supply - be fully prepared to make sure your family is well fed! Go to PrepareWithAllie.com & save $150 on every 3-month food kit you order! Good Ranchers delivers your beef, chicken, & seafood right to your doorstep. Once you subscribe, the price never goes up! Go to GoodRanchers.com/ALLIE & use promo code 'ALLIE' to save $30 on your order + free express shipping! Annie's Kit Clubs are celebrating National Craft Month by offering their best deal ever — go to AnniesKitClubs.com/ALLIE & get your first kit for up to 100% off! --- Show Links: 'Unashamed' Ep 445: Phil & Allie Beth Stuckey Discuss America's Love Problem & Weaponized Empathy https://apple.co/3tV28OR Phil's latest book: "Uncanceled: Finding Meaning and Peace in a Culture of Accusations, Shame and Condemnation" https://amzn.to/3LA329v --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed.

You can watch this D-Day Show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Hey, guys, welcome to Relatable. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com slash All right. That's good ranchers.com slash All right. I am so excited for you guys to hear my interview with Phil Robertson and Al Robertson. We're going to talk about his testimony and what his life has.

looked like over the past several decades since the Lord saved him. We're also going to talk about this stunning story of him recently meeting his daughter that he did not know that he had. I mean, it's really amazing and very emotional. I know you guys are going to be encouraged by this. So without further ado, here is our conversation. Thank you all so much for joining me. I'm in your lair, your area, not my typical relatable studio.

So I appreciate y'all letting me host an episode in this studio. Now, before we were talking on y'all's podcast, how there is a movie being produced right now about your life. And you were saying that it's embarrassing. Can you expound a little bit more on that? Well, if you do a little survey, we're talking in these mics? Yep. If we do a little survey, what you'll find is,

most, I just noticed something as the years had been going by. I came to Jesus. I was 28. Well, as I began to convert people, I would say, how old are you? And they would say 28. They would say 31, 30, 29, 28, 27, 30, 31. I noticed they would all begin to collect. in that age group.

So I wondered about it. And I think what I came up with, my thoughts could be wrong, is that by the time you reach about 30, if you are like I was, I call it like a dog chasing his tail, you go round and around around you, but you're not getting anywhere. Life is not kind at all. Well, by that time, you've built a substantial track record that you can check how your life is.

has been going. You're 29 now. Plus, probably some would say, I think you should have known better to do that. You're 29 years old for crying out of it. So what it's about that age, about 30,

where your life is a track record, you look back at it, and you say, I'm not getting it. I'm not there yet. something is wrong. Yeah. So I think that's why, but they do the movie, so they kind of had to catch the negative part of my life up to 28.

Mm-hmm. And then the positive from there to 75. And I was about nine years old, Allie. So my perspective was as a child growing up in this life without really having Christian parents and what that looked like, and especially the way our lives were. but then seeing the transformation, which was amazing. I mean, because dad went. Do you remember that pretty clearly?

Very clearly. And I remember everything that led up to it. And then I remember watching dad, you know, your dad is your hero, whether he's a good person or not. I mean, you know, I idolized dad anyway. But then when he made the transformation as a Christian and literally went from the biggest heathen in South Arkansas, North Louisiana to John the Baptist overnight. Yeah. I mean, it impacted us, too, in a positive way.

Yeah. Tell me a little bit more about that because we were talking in your podcast about how you guys ran a bar in Junction City. And you were young. You said that you were nine when he became a Christian. Do you remember the days before he became a Christian? Was it volatile at all? Was it stressful? And then after that, I know obviously there was a change in his own.

life, but what was that like in your home? How did that change things there? Well, I would say it was, I would say it was volatile, but that would have been insult to volatility everywhere. You know, I mean, it was a, yes, every night was some different crazy chaos. And dad, you know, he, like, was finding all these different ways to make money, you know, around this bar setting. So there were fights and arm wrestling competitions. And I can remember, of course, again, I'm a child. So I'm looking up to my dad because he could whip anybody there. Well, you know, that's my dad. You know, he's whipping all these pup wood guys and all that.

Of course, they're all stumbling drunk, you know, and dad was just there taking care. But I remember every bit of that. There was a magnolia tree that was behind the bar, and I used to climb up the tree, and I used to watch everything going on. And the bar was still segregated. So you had the black section out back,

and you had the white section up front. And so there were equal evils going on in both sides of the situation. And dad was kind of there in the middle, you know, through this whole process. and mom as well. So, you know, on our home, it was obviously chaotic. Dad would be gone a lot because when he wasn't running the bar, he was off hunting and drinking with his own buddies. And so that left mom very isolated. So I can remember a lot of times in our home, she was depressed. She was having a lot of difficulty just with having to focus and how do we go forward? Because what started out

is we're going to make some money, you know, turned out to be a terrible lifestyle. Loretta Lynn was on the front juke box, the white part, and BB King was on the back part. And I'm in the middle with a pistol in my belt, and everybody's getting drunk. Yeah. Yeah. That was the... Well, it's amazing is that you just said that you lead a church that's about 50% white and black. So it's kind of, it's what just a picture of redemption that you were standing in the middle of the dividing line and now you pastor a church that brings both black and white Christians together. through the Lord. That's amazing. I never thought about that, but that's exactly, that was a good, good thought on your part. And now, you know, of course, the brothers there, they love me because

I was a heathen who changed, and most of them come out of some pretty tough backgrounds themselves. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And still, it marches on. So, but yesterday we had people visiting from Canada, from, what's the Kansas, from Florida. So every week, they're coming from all over the country and other parts of the world. You know, I asked some not too long ago a few months back, where are you folks from, you know, where are you from? He said, Samoa. Wow.

I said, American Samoa. You know, 500 miles northeast of New Zealand. I said, you came a long way. So I think that it's better if the Apostle Paul had had the Internet, I've never owned a cell phone and I've never clicked on to the Internet, not once. I know nothing about it. I know nothing about it, but I just was riding along on an airplane with these two, Zach and Al, and I said, y'all come back here a minute.

I said, I thought it just occurred to me. I said, you can get on the side of the road, American Christianity, little church building, and you start out and you win 75 to Christ, 30 years goes by, and you're up to 100. I said, it's too slow. I said, if the Apostle Paul had had this Internet, he would have clicked on. Yeah. I'm convinced because by all means possible to reach as many as possible. I said, we need to speed this thing up.

Therefore, that's why now we have this so people can hear about Jesus, make the decision to follow him or not. It makes sense to me. We're not getting out of here. We're going to die. All of us. That's a fact. If this is not true, we're not getting out of here alive.

It's that simple. Right. So I just read the script. ripped and I'm like, hmm, the resurrection of the dead. I said, well, I know of no other book, no other religion that has offered me that in a person. We count time by him, 2,22 years since Jesus showed up. The atheist said, well, you can't pay any attention to that. But the world, according to Alexa, on the computer, I said, Dan, Dan, the eunuch.

I said, Dan, call Alexa up and ask her, what year is it in red in China? And he said, are you serious? I said, yeah. So he calls her up, yeah. He says, Alexa. He doesn't really call her. What year is it? He didn't call her on a phone, Dad.

He just says Alexa, she picked it up. I'm still going to, Dan, the eunuch? Yeah. He's chosen not to marry. Oh, okay. Got it. Matthew 19. Some are born that way.

I got it. I'm not going to marry. It's not a big thing. Yeah. I told them it's a lot cheaper. Okay. I didn't know if that was just nickname, but I got it. Everybody gets a nickname.

Okay. That's dad. So, you know, there's three kinds there, and then the ones who are made that way, a eunuch, and then the ones who, like the Apostle Paul, because of the rigors of preaching the gospel, he decided to stay single. So I just told Dan, I said, but Dan, it's not a bad thing, not marry until I don't anybody look down on you. True.

Jesus wasn't. That's right. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles,

faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this T-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. So he called Alexa.

Yeah, so Alexa. They called Alexa and Alexa said when Dan asked her, what year is it in China? She said, 2002. I said, well, I said, call up. What about North Korea? I ask her that. You know, what year is North Korea, according to the North Koreans? She said it is 2002.

We asked her, did she duck hunt? And her answer was, I'm not sure. That was what we got one. Do you duck hunt? I have to at least set that story up. So Lisa and I, Dad was having alarm clock issues because he likes the old wind-up ones, you know. That wasn't working for it. So we thought we had the perfect solution.

We put an echo in his room. room and said, you don't have to use it for anything else, but just tell Alexa, Alexa, let's say, the alarm for her, and she'll do it. She'll say alarm set. And then that's it. She wakes you up and you say Alexa off. Really simple, we thought. But dad got nervous because he felt like there was a woman in his bedroom because her voice is in there. Yeah, it's kind of freaky. Yeah, and he goes to dad and he says, Dan, I want you to come in here with me. I'm going to talk to this woman. And so then they decided to vet her by. asking her first if she duck on it.

And she said, I'm not sure, which raises all the paranoia, you know, for the situation. And then it's like, then they start, he starts asking her Bible question. It's like, what do you think about first getting this 50? Of course, you know, Alexa, she's not quite understanding. So anyway, Alexa winds up out of the bedroom. Okay. That's what happened as a result of that. Gotcha.

She's out. Okay. Something about a computer breakdown. She's not getting a proper signal. Gotcha. And I just started pulling out the wires. Get that out of here. Yeah, but she did answer your question everywhere, no matter what, they go by the life of Jesus to determine time.

So I would think, what are the odds that of all the people on planet Earth going back to whenever they started, if the athas was right, a big explosion and then with an ocean, saltwater made us, the human race is here. What are the odds out of that entire group that we count time by one of them? Just one of them? Just one. You're like, we count time by it. How in the world would you ever pull that off? I would think whoever you're counting time by, I think I would at least, you know, all the years before him are called all the years before him, BC. See, I would think he would be worried of investigation at minimum.

If we're counting time by him, how in the world did they ever decide that? You know, some monk, you know, Constantine sent him down there to the Roman, you know, where they kept all the laws and all that. And he checked into it and back-checked it. And he's the one that kind of came up with the date. Diomius, Enochius, Eianos, I think his name was. and he's the one that researched it for Constantine, you know, in about 500 AD, you know,

they went back and looked and said, you know, when did he show up? Because he was converted. He wanted to know. He said, I want to know the exact year he showed up. So he was pretty wise to do that. I would think modern day people at least would investigate what he had to say, what he did,

what he will do, I would at least investigate it. He's worth investigation if immortality is riding on it. I would at least look into it, I would think. You can go the medical world or you can go the spiritual world, but we're going to die, and I don't think we have the technology yet to raise people from the dead. I know there are a lot of people. Probably most people listening to this have heard your story of how you actually came to faith,

going from, you know, owning a segregated bar to now being a pastor and a Christian. But can you talk a little bit more about hearing the gospel or really understanding the gospel for the first time? I'm guessing you had probably heard it before you actually became a Christian. What was different about that when you actually started following Christ? What I heard was pretty well hammered. You have to hear, believe, repeat. hint, confess, and be baptized. That's what I heard.

Unfortunately for me, at 28, when the guy said, you know what the gospel is, and I said, maybe the Chuck Wagon gang on, you know, gospel music on the radio. He said, you don't even know what it is. I said, see, my problem is I was taught to have to hear. believe, repent, confess, and be about to. I said, my question to you is, Mr. Preacher, hear what? And he said, the gospel.

And I said, gospel music on the radio. So he writes it out, and I just noticed this here. I didn't know we were going to do this. He wrote this on a piece of paper. By the way, when I first met Donald Trump, I did the same thing. I wrote this on a piece of paper. And I said,

whatever happens, he was running for office at this time. So I'm a couple of times up there. But when it was running for office, I said, whatever happens, Trump, don't miss this. There's an error, God becoming flesh. I said, we count.

Can you show the camera? I said, we count time by that. I said, there's a cross after that. Trump I said there's a cross Jesus died on the cross I see I said for the sins of the world I said you do have sins don't you what did he say and he said a lot of them I said me too I said wow that's pretty amazing actually that he said that I thought it was so I thought well so I told him I said I have a lot too I said they put him in a tomb I said Trump whatever happens I said we're the same age.

We're identical age. I said, we don't have that long. We're in our 70s. I said, Trump, we're going to die. And you're going to go six feet under, and so am I. Right? He said, no doubt about it. I said, he was resurrected from the dead.

I said, you can live beyond the grave. I said, it's the greatest thing that ever happened for the human race. Remove all your sin and raise you from the dead. the dead. I said, see that final error? I said, that's the return. All we're waiting on is the return. I said, I hope you win the presidency. I'm going to vote for you. I said, but in the meantime, you need to think seriously about that and give your life to Jesus because it's bigger than the presidency. I said, you can have immortality. And I started, I said, have a nice day. and I took a step back and he said, hey, he said, can I have that?

I said, wow. And I gave it to him. That's amazing. And I walked out the door. I saw him a couple of times after that. I said, have they baptized you yet? He said, no, I need to do that. I said, if you don't do it, I said, I'll come up there and baptize you.

If you can't find anybody up there in the White House that have baptized you. I said, Jesus said, you know, go make disciples, baptize them. So I said, hey, I'm just following carrying out instructions here. But that's whether he did or not, I don't know. Wow, I'm really heartened by that. I know that there have been people who have shared the gospel with Trump, but there's a lot of people who have supported him politically, like I have, that have just really wanted that so badly for him to see that heart change.

I'm so glad that you shared the gospel with him like that. So I'm not a judge of any man, so, but he heard the gospel. Yes. But it also didn't leave him because when Dad's last book came out, or maybe it was the first one, the president called Dad and congratulated him. I just happened to be there, so I was over hearing the conversation. And he brought it up before Dad ever said anything. He brought it up.

He said, you know, I still got that piece of paper you gave me. Wow. But for him to bring that up, two years later. He thinks about it. He thinks about it. He's the President of the United States. It's not like he didn't have a couple of things going on. Right.

And when he talked to Dad, first of all, he said, Phil, America needs people like you that are willing to speak, you know, about faith. And so that was his first thing he said. For him to take the time with some joker like me, you know, to call me up and say, you know, I appreciate what you're doing and all that, you know. I'd been on Fox News and I took up for him when the guy with the glasses. Cavudo. Cavudo.

Cabudo. Cavudo said, you claim you're a Christian guy? I said, yeah. He said, well, why would you vote for somebody like Donald Trump? Cavuto said that to you Yeah he was like you know he's got a lot of bad stuff going on Why would you support him? I said Cavuto I said so so you say I shouldn't run with Trump because he sins a lot

I said what about your sins? Cabudo reckon you have a few he said you're talking to me I said yeah you got any sins he said it's getting hot in here No way that's funny It's getting hot in here well Trump saw that And he said I'm glad you got old Cavudo you got him in his own Yeah. What I'm saying is, I mean, you know, people would judge him, you know, a little caustic personality,

but I didn't have time to go into all the fruit of the spirit, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness. Donald Trump, I wrote in the front of my Bible, look, this is a little good news for Trump. I just wrote this down. Acumen, keenness and quickness in understanding and dealing with a situation. situation, shrewdness, mental acuteness. But he was a little caustic. Personality, he had a caustic personality. But as far as acumen, pro-God, pro-guns so we can hunt ducks, pro-life.

I'm like, and I shared Jesus with him, and he did not say, get that Bible out of my face, I don't want to know. Yeah. He listened intently. I thought he did a terrific job. The gas was about a buck 30 a gallon. Now it's seven. Not true anymore. Not true anymore, that's for sure.

One of the most interesting and shocking to me or just surprising stories that I've heard you guys talk about is that you recently found out that you had a daughter, right? That you did not know about? Can you talk a little bit more about that? And I would love to hear how that was for you as well. Sure. Yeah, I probably can tell it better than I can.

Well, I think that it was. DNA, you know. It was really powerful because, you know, this is, this story has been played out a lot with the rise of 23 of me and DNA and, you know, all the different ways that people find things out. And Phyllis, you know, had always questioned, she just didn't seem to quite fill in her family and she couldn't figure out why. And, of course, it turns out later, you know, when she's 44 years old, that she finally finds out through her son taking the DNA test just to check on his heritage, that, nothing fit. Wow. So then she went on a quest for the next year and a half to find out who were.

When I was a kid, she said she would walk to the church building, wherever they were, they moved around quite a bit, but she would walk. There's a little girl walking there, see, godly girl. She said, I didn't know why I was doing that, but I just had this. She had a draw in her towards faith, and again, that she didn't necessarily share that with everybody in her family. And so it was really amazing that, you know, she sends a letter. we finally get the letter.

Dad does the DNA test, so does she. And, of course, it's a 99.99% match. And she was a nurse up in Springfield. Her husband is an artist, but they were very godly people. They were missionaries on the field in Nicaragua. Wow. And so they didn't really know much about the show. You know, they had some family that knew about it,

but they never watched her anything. So when they came into it, it was more just kind of eyes wide open. Now, they knew they were, her dad was a famous person. So she realized that. But it's been totally, for the last two and a half years, just this idea of we're getting, you know, we really learn to now know each other, which is so powerful.

She lives with her husband next door to dad. Wow. Really? Yeah, we'll give you a house. Oh, I didn't realize that. So they came down. When they flew in here, I'd never seen my long-lost daughter.

Yeah. About it almost 50 years, 48 years. years, 45, 48 years. She shows up, and Miss Kay hugs her first, and she turns around and sees me standing there, about 10 feet apart, and she was just looking at me. I'm looking at her. I bet that's surreal.

She walks up and I put my hands on her face like that, and I was looking into her eyes, you know, I said, yep, she's mine. Oh, wow. What was so powerful about that, is because I had been, and my brothers had been prepping her, that, look, that is not very compassionate type person. He's not touchy, feeling. So we were like, he's probably not going to, you know, just don't feel embarrassed if he's, like, stiff hugs, you know. And then the first time she meets him, he puts, you know, her face in his hands.

I just wanted to see if there was some of me in there. And then they sat on the couch and talked just the two of them for, like, 30 or 40 minutes while we were all in the kitchen because they just wanted to talk to each other. Yeah. But it was everything she had dreamed and hoped for. But it was so amazing to us because I was looking at this situation who is this man who I thought was my dad now because it's a daughter. A sinful... A sinful act got her on planet Earth.

So when you read the text like Romans 8 there, God works for the good of those who call him and are loved by him. you say, in all things, God works for the good. So you say, so we both looked at that text and she was like, I'm glad I'm here because, you know, I wouldn't have been here, but I mean, it's a tough way to get here. So two of her sons got married the year after we first met him. I got to be the best man at one of them because of COVID's a long story.

But then the second son I was able to do his wedding because we've just built this amazing bond. And so when I met her mom for the first time, time and when I was leaving the wedding I leaned into her and I said I just want to thank you for choosing life when it wasn't convenient for you to do it and because you did that I now have a sister that I didn't know and if you had not chosen that I never would have known her right so I just thanked her because you know I don't know this woman but I mean she chose life in a bad situation yeah because of that we now get the blessing of this life together so It's all the components we talk about with pro-life and all that.

I mean, we literally lived it out. That's right. Oh, the twist and turns of life. Yeah. My goodness, I just, God's redemption and seen in that story and so much of your testimony, it reminds me that when God is doing one thing or we think that he's doing one thing, he's actually doing a million things, a million unseen things that we might not know the what or the why behind for years. And that's a very like a peace giving realization in the moment

when it seems like nothing's going right or, wow, why did this happen? For example, my mom, you know, she's small town Arkansas. My mom's from Eldorado, Arkansas, and her mom had an aneurysm. Dr. Misdiagnosed her. Long story short, my mom's mom ends up dying in the hospital because of this misdiagnosis. And my mom's young. She's got two young kids. It was the most devastating thing that it ever happened to her. And if she tells this story, she'll still cry to this day just a few months later. I think it was a few months or maybe it was a couple years later. She had a family approached her in church and said, because of your mom's misdiagnosis and that really caused a big deal at the hospital and everything that happened, his wife suffered the exact same symptoms.

And she was a young mom of five. And because of that, because of the misdiagnosis of my grandmother, this woman's life was saved. Of course, at the time, I'm mom didn't realize that that's what was happening or why. But again, when God is doing one thing, he might be doing a million things, and we might not see the manifestation of that redemption for years to come. Yep. So I'm just inspired by that story for y'all. And go ahead.

Are you about to say something? No, that's... But I did want to transition to. We just have a few minutes left, and I did want to hear more about your book, and maybe this is a good jumping off point, because this is also kind of part of your testimony. and what you've learned being a Christian since, I think you pointed to Colossians 2 when we were talking about uncanneled. And so tell us a little bit more about that

and how you kind of came to write this book and why you've taken us to Colossians 2. Gordon, Dasher, my brother-in-law, we were looking at this text here, and he showed it to me. We just brought it up, was talking about it. We starts with our new birth. in him, this is at Colossian 2.11, you were also circumcised in the putting off of the sinful nature.

You say, that's a strange way to say what happens at baptism. Not with a circumcision done by the hands of men, but with the circumcision done by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. when you were dead in your sins everybody when they when they when they see the law once i was alive apart from law the apostle paul said in romans about roman seven once i was alive apart from law but when the commandment came sin sprang to life and i died so that knocks out children being dead in their sins. Once he was alive, apart from law, you say, what was that time frame

from the time he was born until he got old enough and his conscience developed? And then he understood what the law said because he violated it. So when you were dead in your sins and everybody gets canceled at the beginning and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins. And listen to this, having canceled the written code. Start with the top 10. No, God, but me.

Don't misuse my name. Don't bow down to idols. Work six days, rest one. Children obey your father and mother. Don't murder. Don't commit adultery. Don't steal. Don't lie.

Don't covet. You're like, oh, my goodness. I didn't do well with the top 10. Well, he takes that. He comes down, he wrote it, he keeps it perfectly 100%, then dies on a cross to get us out from under it. You're like, oh, thank you, Lord. All my mistakes, God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us

so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. Having canceled the written code with its regulations that was against us, it stood opposed to us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross. He disarmed the powers and authorities, the evil one, Satan, and he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. So when God did that, I just wrote a book because I see in America this horrific situation we found ourselves in

and the canceling of each other trying to ruin someone's life just because you can find out a mistake they made when they were 16 and hold it against them the rest of their life. And you see people who live the life of sin and you say, well, you know, have you ever thought about just maybe forgiving them? Jesus, when they came to him and said, hey, how many times should we forgive someone when they sin against us? Seven? And Peter probably thought he was being nice. And Jesus said 70 times seven. and you look around and you say, boy, if we use the same code that the world uses, none of us could make it. So when Jesus said, I will uncancel you from now on the rest of your life on earth, your past sins are no more.

I'm not holding them against you. I'm not counting your future ones against you. I'll be there to mediate for you. Just trust in me. You make a mistake. them to me. I'll take them away. I'll take them away. So it was a wonderful thing. I'm just hoping that our culture will say, you know, if we say we care about our neighbor in any fashion, you would at least keep no record of their wrongs. I mean, give me a break. We all make

mistake. So I'm just trying to get people to be more like Jesus and forgive each other than to hold something against somebody and try to ruin their life for no reason at all really just because you can you on the computer back there in the back and you say ah i got i got one right here i caught him in a mistake i caught her in a mistake and they hold it against you from now i don't think it's the way to go how about just loving them enough to forgive him I'm sure you have sins, right? And everybody has to say, yeah, a lot of them, I said, your best course of action, love does no harm to its neighbor.

Therefore, love is the fulfillment of the law. Other words, don't lie. If you love God, you're not going to lie to him or anyone else. Don't murder. If you love God, you're not going to murder your neighbor because if he did this, he did that. And don't steal. If you love your neighbor, you're not going to steal his stuff.

If you love your neighbor, you're not going to mess with this woman. It just, you say, therefore, love is the fulfillment of the law, the whole thing. So I'm just trying to get America to be nicer to one another. Because of the gospel. Because of the gospel. Yes, and amen. Well, thank you so much. The book is called Uncanceled.

It came out about a month ago. You can get it wherever books are sold. And the Unashamed podcast, you can also listen to that everywhere. It's also on Blaze TV. Y'all've got bonus material if you actually subscribe to blazTV.com slash Unashamed. We've got bonus material on there. We had a fun conversation. Our podcast, I think, will be out by the time when this one comes out.

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