Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 616 | Why Black America Votes Democrat | Guests: Shemeka Michelle & Delano Squires

Episode Date: May 12, 2022

Today we're talking to Delano Squires and Shemeka Michelle, contributors to BlazeTV's "Fearless with Jason Whitlock," about a variety of political and cultural issues. We start by discussing Republicans' willingness to prioritize the war in Ukraine over issues that are hurting Americans, like gas prices and supply chain shortages. It speaks to a greater divide between the GOP establishment and the people they're supposed to represent, as all too often the people who support America-first policies find themselves with little to no representation in Congress. Then we talk about the continuing media and liberal meltdown over the probable overturning of Roe v. Wade. In their desperation to gin up public opposition to overturning the decision, leftists are now linking access to abortion to the success of black women. That leads us into a larger discussion of why the black community keeps voting for Democrats in large numbers, especially considering that many of them hold personal conservative values. --- Today's Sponsors: My Patriot Supply — get a 3-month food kit for every member of your family! Go to PrepareWithAllie.com & save $150 on your order! Good Ranchers — subscribe now & save $25 off every box for the life of your subscription, plus you lock in your price. And right now, get two pounds of Wagyu burgers free when you order at GoodRanchers.com/ALLIE & use promo code 'ALLIE'! Hunter Douglas' PowerView technology means you can set your shades to automatically reposition for the perfect balance of light, privacy, & insulation - morning, noon, & night. Go to HunterDouglas.com/ALLIE for your free Style Gets Smarter design guide. Naturally It's Clean has powerful plant-based enzymes — nature's solution to cleaning. Try these amazing products at NaturallyItsClean.com/ALLIE & save 15% off 'Allie's Essential Starter Kit!' --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise- use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day Show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Hey, guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com slash All right. I've got a really fun conversation for you today with two guests, Delano Squires. You've seen him on really. relatable before. And also, Shemika Michelle, she is a contributor for Jason Whitlock's Fearless. She has amazing commentary and amazing insight. We are going to talk about the issues specific to Black America, how we as Christians should be approaching them with both truth and in love. But we're also going to talk about this issue of abortion and how the media is framing it and really how

how the media tries to conflate LGBTQ issues, abortion issues with so-called racial justice, and we'll also kind of critique a little bit of how the church is responding so timidly to all of these things. You're going to love this conversation. Wait till the end

where they just, they will give you so much fire. You will leave this conversation feeling really inspired. I'm excited for you to hear it. So without further ado, here are our new friends, Delano and Shumika. Thank you guys so much for joining me. Delano. This is I believe your second time on the show.

This is your first time on the show. So can you first tell us who you are and what you do? I am Shamika Michelle, and I'm a contributor for Fearless with the Blaze. So thank you for having me, Allie. I appreciate it. Of course. And Delano, you are a contributor as well for Jason.

Correct. Okay, so today we're going to talk about quite a few things. I just want to get both of your reactions to them and just respond in whatever order you guys want. So we were talking before the camera started rolling about this $40 billion that has been secured for Ukraine, Ukrainian defenses. And Mitch McConnell, who was a Republican senator, he said a couple days ago that we all agree, he said in a press conference, we all agree that this is the most important thing going on in the world. Well, I don't think any of us deny that it's important or I don't think any of us have a lack of compassion for the Ukrainian people, absolutely. but there's a lot that's going on that is affecting our daily lives.

I don't know. What do you guys think? Do you think that what's going on in Ukraine is the most important thing in your lives or what's going on in the world right now? Yeah, I don't agree. When I'm at the gas pump, I don't agree. When I am at the grocery store and my bill is higher than usual, I don't agree. And I think Mitch McConnell and so many others are so out of touch with the common person

that they say ridiculous things like this, not realizing the strain that everyday people feel. So, no, I definitely don't think it's the most important not to me and not to many people that I know. Yeah. And I feel the same way. I mean, as Sharmika said,

I see gas prices creeping back up. But I think the comments from Mitch McConnell reveal sort of what some people will call the Uniparty, which is that Democrats and Republicans and when it comes to certain issues and war is one of them seem to be more on the same page with each other than they are with the American public.

So the notion that the most important thing for U.S. senators to be focusing on is maintaining the sovereignty of Ukraine as opposed to addressing the issues in America is one of the reasons that both groups get called globalists. And I think that label is fitting and appropriate. Yeah, especially when you are considering the fact that our own country's borders are not being protected. Our own sovereignty is not being protected.

Our own democratic processes are not being protected by the very same people who say that the number one priority of American politicians is to represent the interests of Ukraine. I mean, just a few things that are going on. Obviously, you mentioned high gas prices, inflation that is affecting all kinds of good and services, the border wide open. And we've got a fentanyl opioid homelessness crisis in many American cities. I mean, look at the American towns, especially in the Rust Belt. They're completely gutted because both parties have really kind of outsourced our manufacturing, outsourced our jobs. People are struggling and suffering there.

Murder is up in major cities. Suicide is up among young people, I think in large part due to a lot of the policies that force young people into isolation for the past two years. And then thinking of democracy and liberty, the DHS has a disinformation. board. The DOJ is going after concerned parents that are complaining to school boards. The House Judiciary Committee confirmed yesterday. People can't find baby formula literally cannot feed their babies here, here in the United States. This is happening to the constituents of the people who say that really our focus should be on Ukraine. That's just incredible to me. It would be as if me as a husband and

father, if I told my wife that my most important priority is the condition of the woman down the street, her household, to make sure that she's fed and her children are fed while, you know, our family is starving and feeling insecure. So when I hear people like Mitch McConnell and a lot of other, you know, congressional Republicans speak this way, again, to me, it just tells me that they don't really understand their top priority and are not as concerned with American interests as they should be. Right. That's why America First is so important to me. When I hear a politician say that or anyone say that, I'm paying attention. Do you really believe America first? And you have to have that as one of your talking points. So one of the things that you believe to even get my attention in the first place, I don't want someone that's paying attention to everything outside of America. America first, because that's where I live. That's where my children live. And that's what I want to make sure is great. And, you know, if people would get offended when Trump would say make America great again,

and you would have a lot of people saying, when was it ever great? Where there was a time that I even remember that it was great. You can leave your doors unlocked. You didn't have to worry about crime the way, you know, we do now. America was great. And I think we can still have that if we put America first. If we're going to focus on everything else, we're never going to get there. Yeah, I agree.

I mean, some people are offended by that. They think that that means that you lack empathy or compassion for other people, but it really is a great metaphor to talk about it like a family because countries really are like families. We care about our neighbors. If our neighbor is in trouble, we obviously want to help them, but not at the expense of my kids. Like if I told, like if my husband told us, okay, we're going to let every person in from the neighborhood. We're not going to vet them.

We're not going to look at their background. We have no idea what they're bringing in our house. We are going to let them eat. we're going to give them all of the protection and the resources that's in our home. And not in addition to getting those things ourselves, but instead of us, then that would make him a bad husband. That would make him a bad father. That would make him a bad provider. And in the same way, when you're putting other countries before your own country, that makes you a bad leader.

That is actually lacking compassion. Some people just don't seem to understand that. I don't know. Okay. I want to talk a little bit about, we were also talking about this. before the camera started rolling. We'll kind of go into this in general, but specifically in relation to Roe v. Wade

in the abortion issue, which is obviously especially hot right now, something that people are really talking about. I read this article in the Washington Examiner. Big City Teachers' Unions say Supreme Court draft overturning Roe v. Wade is racist. Of course it's racist. I didn't even see the article, but I knew how...

Exactly. You knew. So this is what the Chicago Teachers Union said. The same forces that want to erase black history and black votes, what, trample the rights of transgender students and our queer siblings. So again, they put it all together like we were talking about and build walls around our country, again, going back to what we were talking about, are continuing their attacks by threatening a woman's right to choose.

Delano, can you tell me why these issues are always conflated, like abortion and LGBTQ they're seeing as like racial justice issues. What's going on there? I've been thinking about this because I like to name things. I like to come up with terms. We need people to name things. I would call this chocolate-covered Marxism. Okay.

So what I think the left does, they understand that they're pushing a radical agenda, but they understand if they push it in a traditional way that a lot of their constituents would be resistant to it because their constituents don't want. want to see more cisgender heterosexual males telling people what to do. So they said, let's dip it in chocolate, let's make black people the face of it, and we will turn, for instance, what used to be called gay rights,

which was basically a lot of middle class white men who wanted to access the privileges of middle class bourgeoisie normalcy, be able to buy a house, get education, and have a job, have a partnership, that's recognized by the state, pass on property. That has transformed into the LGBTIQIA2S plus agenda, which now, I get a lot of exercise on it. But now if you notice every time the president mentions transgenderism, like on the Transgender Day of Remembrance,

he will always talk about the transgender, black girls and women of color, who are being assaulted and, you know, victims of crime in the streets. Because this, in effect, is a black scene. So you, you inoculate yourself from charges of racism if you make every part of your agenda a racial justice issue. So same thing with abortion. Now they're saying that if black women aren't able to terminate their pregnancies, right, that this is a function of white supremacy. So we've come to the point where fewer black children being born.

is liberation and more black children being born if row v weight is overturned is as i said an aspect of white supremacy and so this will continue so it's the the LGBT stuff abortion climate change what they call climate change will be framed as um black folks who live in and around cities and they're named new orleans and other people who live you know on the east coast they're the ones who will be most in danger from climate change so that's why we need to take take over one-sixth of the economy and steer it in the right direction to avert this existential crisis, all while the Obama still live in their waterfront, their beachfront mansion. Of course.

So chocolate-covered Marxism. That's what I'm going with. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos.

If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. I heard Janet Yellen. She's the Treasury Secretary. I don't know if you guys saw her exchange with Senator Tim Scott. I don't think I have the clip because I forgot to ask for it.

But she was saying, you know, Roe v. Wade being overturned or women not having enough access to abortion is going to negatively impact the labor participation rate. It's going to have a negative impact on the economy. And, you know, most of these women, she said they're in poverty and they're black. And Tim Scott, what a person. to say that to. Senator Scott said, well, I just think that as a black guy who was raised by a mother in abject poverty, I'm happy to be here as a United States senator. And that was just the perfect simple response because it, like also what's amazing about that statement is that she represents the very same side who calls conservatives callous for bringing up the economy when it came to COVID.

They called us grandma killers for that. But now she's saying so babies need to be placed on the altar of the economy, which is also stupid because, like, you actually do, economically speaking, need more children and need more people to, like, replace the older generations for labor force participation. It's all crazy. What do you think about that? Shemika, what do you think about her response that black women need abortion in order to be successful? Allie, like Delano was saying, I think anytime they want to get black people involved or pull on our heartstrings, they wrap anything in racism.

When they were talking about illegal immigration, they brought in black people. They felt like we should be understanding for minorities. And I'm thinking, well, somebody floating in on the inner tube is certainly different than my ancestors that were brought here unwillingly, you know? And when they want to talk about voter suppression, oh, black people, you know, this is going to take you back to Jim Crow.

They're doing the same thing with the, They always do that because black people fall for it so much. We are, you know, so compassionate and we're so afraid. When I heard them say that they were going, you know, if they overturn Roe versus Wade, be careful. They can overturn civil rights. I said, oh gosh, they're going to do the same thing that they've done with everything else. And listening to Janet is offensive to me because I'm a product of rape. My mother was raped at 14 by a complete stranger.

I was born to her at 15. If she had the choice or if someone was forcing her to have an abortion, I would not be here. So when they talk as if that is the only option for black women or poor women, that's just simply not true. I was born to a 15-year-old. She, of course, had to work hard to take care of me, but she did it. here I am so it's possible so when I hear people speak about that you don't talk about the possibilities like all you talk about is the negative aspect of it and I am a prime example of the possibilities so absolutely it's personal to me right and they're people even if someone did grow up in exclusive

hardship even if a person was born into poverty and then they were homeless and never really did contribute anything to society. They were never productive. That's still a human being. And it seems to me, like the pro-abortion side, like Janet Yellen, they simply forget about the humanity, even if Tim Scott never became Senator Scott. It still would have been wrong to abort him. It still would not have been a good justification just because his mom is poor, because he's a human being. And it seems to me like the left forgets that. And a lot of people fall for it. Even professing Christians kind of fall for the whole, like, abortion is compassionate, abortion is racial justice thing. It's bizarre to me.

I think it underscores, particularly for the left, when you detach policy, and I'll say this as a Christian, when you detach policy from a sense of objective morality, this is where you get to. You get to the point where life does not have inherent value, it has conditional value. And one of those conditions is the economic,

security of the mother. And another is whether the mother wants the child. And if you have those two, right, then you've got a green light. But if you don't, if you're missing one of them, then it's well, this is not, you know, it's not a good time for her. She can pursue, you know, educational opportunities. So when Janet Yellen speaks, in, in, in one sense, she's actually being honest about how the left sees human life. She's reading from a feminist script that was written a long time ago that says that the ultimate use of a woman's time and energy is in the labor force that says that marriage and family are forces of oppression children are opportunity costs because look at how much more you could be doing with your life so it i think you see all

of those things coming together and to shemiga's point they know exactly the buttons to push to um in flame may not be the word but but but to excite and flame the black community. This is what I call the Selma syndrome, where they take America's racial history, right, which at times has been very ugly, so we don't have to paper over that. But what they do,

instead of saying this is what happened then, and look how far we've come since then, they say, this is what is waiting at your door. So you need to give us the power to keep from going back into Jim Crow, to keep from Brown versus Board of Ed being reversed or Loving versus Virginia being reversed. And they know exactly the buttons to push.

And when they do it, that's how you get to your point. Evangelical is black and white. The ones who talk about racial justice, the ones who talk about social justice and racial disparities, who some of them have been against abortion for a long time, but because of the way it went about, if Roe is overturned,

because they will, have to give some of that credit to the former president, to President Trump, they want to get as far away from that as possible. So now the talking point is, well, if Rose overturned, you Christians better show that you're pro all of life from womb to tomb. And you, we need bigger government. And, you know, the government is our dad and he needs to pay up. And I'm just like, no words of celebration, no thanking God for his grace in this particular area.

But it's, it's so you see the secular. left and the religious left, right, who they're shedding their skin of theological conservatism. As we're seeing that before our very eyes. I mean, there's some people, and I'll end on this point. A lot of some of your listeners may have heard of Jamar Tisbee, who's deep in the anti-racism game, used to work with Ebram Kendi. I signed up for his newsletter because I'm a glutton for punishment.

I was about to say. And he said that him and one of his co-hosts on his podcast, two self-identified Christian black men were talking about abortion. And if you just read it, you would never think that these were two Christian black men because they had all the talking points. We're men, so we shouldn't talk about this. This is safe activism for white conservatives. White conservatives use Roe versus abortion. they talk about the disproportionate effect it has on black folks, and they use that against us.

And at no point did he ever talk about the obligations that men, including black men, have to the mothers of their children and the children themselves. It's always about more government spending and more of what white people should be doing to help. I'm assuming he thinks to help black folks. And you see all of that playing out, even in the words that Janet Yellen said to Tim Scott.

Both of y'all are touching on kind of emotional manipulation that you think are used against black people to try to, I guess, just fundamentally get them to keep voting Democrat and to believe that, you know, their real enemy is white supremacists or white evangelicals. Why do you think that is effective? Because I think it's about 92% of black Americans do vote Democrat. and we're even talking about people that maybe we would consider conservative Christians in some ways, at least as far as sexuality and stuff, goes, they still will vote Democrat. I mean, why do you think that is? Personally, for me, it's the way I was raised. And not necessarily, at no time did my family sit me down and say, hey, you have to be a Democrat.

But I remember when Ronald Reagan won. And I remember my family saying things like, oh, my God, this is the Antichrist because his name was Ronald Wilson Reagan. He had six letters in each name. And so it was 666. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Yes. And so I'm young, but I remember this.

And I went to. That kind of stuff has been around for a long time because people on both sides still think that kind of thing now. Yeah. And I went to an all-black school so I can remember teachers. just being, you know, saying pretty much this was horrible. So very early on, I formed white Democrat good because they love Jimmy Carter, white Republican, bad. Now, this is me at six, five, five, six years old being able to make that correlation

just by what I'm hearing everyone say. And then growing up in the black church, we always had Democrats to come during election time to speak in the church and this was just they were who you know we had our arms open to so I always thought Democrat is for us and it wasn't until I got older actually when Obama was in office because I was one of the people that voted for him because he was black so actually when he was in office I started seeing things that didn't line up and it made me think this doesn't line up with what I actually believe. Like what was it and what kind of gave you that revelation? Well, for one, he seemed to push a lot of the LGBTQ agenda. And for me, that didn't line up

with Christian values. And I was raised in the church. So I'm like, wait a minute, that's not looking right. And I saw a lot of race. And I kind of got caught up in it a little bit, just feeling like, oh, I'm black, so I'm automatically oppressed. It didn't matter that I was was living in a four-bedroom, three-bathroom house. You know, it didn't matter that we had two Mercedes and a Cadillac in the driveway. I was, I'm oppressed because I'm black. What do you mean? And so it just-

And had that message, that message of oppression, do you feel like that was indoctrinated in you at a young age or do you think that Obama kind of exacerbated that or made you feel that way? I think he made me see that I was wrong about. it but I do think that I was raised again nobody set me down but just being observing and listening to people I think I felt okay we're less than and then when Obama just began when he was in office a lot of things began to come to light and I'm like that makes absolutely no sense it does not line up and so

when people ask me what made me become conservative or why do I identify with conservatism it It wasn't really just like a certain light bulb that came on or a decision. I think I decided what I'm voting for does not line up with what I actually believe, what I always have believed. I think most black people are conservative. I think they just vote wrong. And thankfully, I began to see the light around the time when Obama was in office and I'm like,

what am I doing? So 2016, I knew for sure I wasn't voting for Hillary. because absolutely not. I wasn't completely sold on Trump because at this point I'm going through the whole what's wrong with me that I hear him, I understand what he's saying, I like and I agree. They're telling me this man is racist,

he's misogynist, but I'm a black woman and I like him. Something's wrong with me. Yeah, right. So, you know, it was just kind of, you know, a gradual awakening for me And I do think it started during Obama's term. His term is in president.

I think part of what is going on, and I don't know when this change happened, is that blackness, however, people sort of define it, which historically has been, you know, about skin color and phenotype and what people look like, eventually morphed into a political identity. and the left is big on political identities. So when people say identity politics, that's part of what they're talking about. So I think what really brought it out was, you know,

the infamous when Biden said, if you don't know if you vote for me, the other guy, then you ain't black. And there were some people, one of them being Nicole Hannah-Jones who said, let's not, she tweeted and deleted, let's not act as if we don't know the difference between racial blackness

and political blackness. and even though she was criticized for it, I think her assessment of what actually is is accurate. And I think that's how a lot of people and a lot of black folks look at it. It's like if you vote for a Republican, if I go in the barbershop and I say,

hey guys, I'm a Republican. No, they already call me a Republican, by the way. And I say, hey, guys, I'm a Republican. Somebody is either going to say or think those guys are a sellout. Now, they'll lie to you and say, say, oh, it's about Trump, but it's not about Trump because they said the same thing about Bush, Ronald Reagan, about Reagan. So it's not really about Trump, but it's the fusion of those two things

that I think is the big problem. Actually, my most recent column for The Blaze is entitled, The President's Right. I ain't Biden Black. And I go into talking about political blackness, which, in the spirit of charity and attribution, I call Biden Blackness, that's my new term for it. And I say what it is is the same thing we were talking about before, how voting preferences get turned into a racial identity and how the left's agenda gets wrapped in, you know, racial justice terms. And as long as that remains the case, as long as the average black person feels like voting for Democrats, and particularly in national elections, is the black thing to do is going to be. hard to move people. And then part of it is just in general, the status quo is what it is, right? So that level of inertia, I've heard you say before, like, I'm paraphrasing. So forgive me if I get it wrong. But it's like a dead fish can just sort of sit on the water. But I think the salmon has to

swim upstream. So it takes a lot more energy to go against the current than it does to stay with the status quo. And I think that that inertia, that political inertia has set in over the course of decades. And it's hard to move people. And going back to what I was saying, in 2020, when the article started to come out that a small subset of black men

were moving towards Trump after four years of being told he's racist, then you see what the left did. They got Maxine Waters, they got Jim Clyburn. I feel sorry for these people. These black men owe their mothers an apology. They got the academics. They got the pundits to say

that black women black men vote for Trump because they hate black women or because they want to be like white men. All of those things are meant to keep people in line. And unfortunately, we're at a point, and we've been here for a while, but within black America, quote unquote, you can be anything you want to be. You can rap about selling drugs, shooting people. You can be a Cardi B want to be. you can do all sorts of things except be a conservative

out loud and proud and if you are then you will get smacked on the wrist and told either to get back in line or get out of the community so that's one border wall that the left is actually good with that's how they police the culture

and they say will you shame now we won't shame you for doing black white Chinese or candy strike we won't shame you for doing all sorts of crazy stuff right but if you say you're going to vote for a Republican right

That's where we draw the line. Yeah, you're out of here. Yeah. And it's not just emotional manipulation of black Americans, but there's a lot of emotional manipulation towards white people and especially white Christians as well, that we're not allowed to talk about certain things or we're not allowed to think about certain things

or bring certain things up. And I think that is, that's also part of the bullying and the intimidation, this narrative that the oppression of black Americans and the reason for all of the disparities, whether they're economic disparities, graduation disparities, crime disparities, abortion disparities, that they're all because of like the oppression of white people

and really white Republicans or like white Christian Republicans somehow. And it really is kind of like the 1619 narrative that every disparity goes all the way back to 1619. When the statistics just don't show that, like the breakdown of both the black and the white family really started the 1960s. The rise in incarceration and crime started before the war on drugs.

It started in the 1960s. It really started with the welfare state, but not just like the black family and black America, but also white America in a lot of ways was negatively impacted and broken by that. It goes back to these progressive democratic policies that they are, these policies are actually to blame for a lot of the disparities that we're seeing today.

But if you bring that up or you bring up that, hey, like maybe these behaviors or these values in any community, would not produce good results. And then, of course, like, I definitely am told that I can't say that or I'm racist. For example, we talked about the other day. We were talking about the abortion issue. Something that you hear a lot is that black women are more likely to die in childbirth,

which is actually true. But there's a lot that is covered up there. But then I was digging into the numbers. And I actually found that the number one cause of maternal mortality, for all races, but disproportionately black women is actually homicide. Homicide by their domestic partners. And black women are like eight times more likely than a woman of any other race to be killed while they're pregnant or postpartum.

But again, I bring that up. I get a million messages saying, how dare you bring that up? We're working on this. You just don't know about it. And that's our job. I'm like, are you? Because I never hear about it. So yeah, anyway, there's just a lot of manipulation and intimidation.

I feel like we feel like we can't have open, frank conversations about it. Right. And when you talk about the maternal health of black women, it would always stump me like, well, my great grandma had this many. And you know, you look around and you see people would have nine and ten kids. And I'm like, where they weren't dying. So that's what kind of made me say something's not right about this. It's not simply because they're black that they're dying. There has to be something else. And a lot of people just won't do the extra research. They'll hear, oh, it's not good for black women to have. have children, okay, and they'll just stop at that. But common sense would say there has to be something deeper than just skin color, look into it. And that's what I wish people would do more of, is to stop, not stop at skin color and actually look into it. Because it doesn't make sense.

When you think about just your family having as many kids as they did in those times early, they would get started very early and they would be fine, you know, drop a baby and go back to working field. And drop another one, 18 months later. Right. You know, it has to be something different. And so I want people to start doing a little more research and stop stopping at skin color. Well, that would stop us from, it also stops us from actually finding solutions to those

things. Because if there is a reason that black women are dying at a higher rate in hospitals, and if we're only assuming that it's racism, well, what if it's something else? Like what if it's hypertension or what if it's heart disease, which is more prevalent, which actually, that is the answer, that's more prevalent among. among African-American women. But if we're not allowed to say that because it's racist, well, then people are going to continue to die.

Right. So it's almost like the solution, especially with Black Lives Matter and stuff, is not actually to save Black Lives. No, it's not because Black Lives Matter is more about white people, what white people think say and do. And this is the entire racial justice scam is all about this, right? It's not about black lives and prioritizing the needs of black people. It's about punishing white people for what we,

believe their ancestors did, you know, hundreds of years ago. And those two things are not the same thing. Being pro-black and anti-white are not the same thing, obviously. But yeah, even as you talked about maternal mortality, I've seen, you know, some of the research. What people often don't realize is that Hispanic women have lower maternal mortality rates than white women, even though they access prenatal care less than white women.

So the straightforward racial narrative doesn't really hold. I do think a lot of it, I think some of it is hereditary because obviously if you're predisposed to certain chronic diseases, that can make pregnancy more difficult. I don't doubt that some of it is differences in care. But one thing that people don't really talk about, and this gets to part of what you were saying in terms of homicide being the number one issue, is when when when when you have a breakdown in the order in terms of family formation when marriage disappears and you're in a perpetual state of co-parenting from conception through child rearing that introduces a level of stress into a relationship

that I cannot believe is good for women right I know I was on my best behavior when my wife was pregnant with all our kids and I told us I said you're at your mom most pleasant when you were, when you were pregnant. She was like, I know, that is true. But I was very cognizant. I didn't want to do anything to stress her out. And imagine being in a situation where you're not married to the father of your child, right, where he has not made any lifelong commitment to you or your kids.

And if you are managing relationships with other fathers of your children, All of those things are stressors. When you're calling him and saying, hey, I have an ultrasound appointment today. Can you make it? He's like, I'm not, I don't want to be, you take care of it yourself. You expect to remain calm after that.

So I never even see that part of it come in because whenever it deals with disparities, racial disparities, any issue having to deal with what black people can actually control gets taken off the table. It's always structural this, systemic this. So I think that's one big issue. I wanted you brought up something in terms of the guilt trip that's laid at the feet of white evangelicals.

I don't believe any white person. Certainly not any white Christian owes me anything other than the love that the Bible says I'm owed as a fellow human being and brother in Christ. That's it. And in fact, what they're doing both within the church and outside of the church, is they're robbing me. They're robbing me of my agency. They're robbing my children of their agency when they say the key to Delano's children growing up and flourishing.

You know they love that word. Is for me, white guy, to be a better person, to make better decisions, to spend my money in certain ways, to send my kids to certain schools. It's not about him. It's not about what he does. It's not about him and his wife, the household that they create.

It's not about their family culture. It's not about their values. It's about mine. And that level of narcissism is robbery. And in the same way that Congress actually has laws against stolen valor for people who who say that they were in the military and they were, you know, I was, I won the battle of Pyongyang and all you did, you were reservists for four years. But to me, this is stolen honor.

And I, and I, it really, I, it's the heart. thing for me to control when I write or when I'm on social media, which I probably should not be on as much as I am, is to not just go completely crazy on these people because I want their image bearers. But when a man comes to steal something from me that belongs to me, it's patronizing. It is. And I know that that's what they're doing to my kids. Right. And I resent that. And I'm trying to ask God to work on my heart because of that. But really, but seriously. So I just want whether it's white person, Asian, Hispanic, black, to again, just give me what I'm old. That's love. Yeah. Self respect. Right. Dignity.

Dignity. Yeah. And I'll do the same for you. And we can live harmoniously in this world. But if you come to me and tell me, you know, sit down there, boy. I got this. I got this for you. I'll take care of this.

No, you are best. No, not. Yes, you are. Yeah. Then right. All right. Yeah. Be quiet.

You're a. I'm depressed. I'm working on it. Then we're going to have problems. That white savior complex. Yes. Listening to you to say that, Delano, it makes me think about how every year at Christmas you have a lot of black people saying, I'm not going to let my child think that, you know, and I don't want to say it.

I don't know how many kids watch the show. But if you really believe that, then why the rest of the year do you wait for this white person to come in and save you and take the credit? for the hard work that you need to do. So you're saying at Christmas, black people say, oh, I don't want my kids to think some white man is giving them gifts. Yes. So I've seen it.

Yeah. I've seen it. Yeah. But it's like then the rest of the year, that's what you're waiting on. You're waiting on the white man to come and give you a gift. Wow. Yeah. That's good.

That's a good. That's a good. You know, I see that, like, from the pulpit as well, like there are two different messages that kind of social justice pastors preach to their white congregants versus their black congregants. their white congregants is like, oh, you have collective repentance to do. You have collective, you know, grief and reparations to pay. And you need to, yeah, divest of your privilege, your whiteness and stuff.

And basically tell black people, like you have exclusively been sinned against in all of your problems, even the sin struggles that you have are probably a result of some kind of systemic oppression. Well, that's leading people straight to hell. Like if you think that your problem isn't that you're separated from God without Christ, and you think all the problems are really because of white people or really because of one system, I mean, you can critical race theory yourself straight into Hades that way. Like both need the gospel. Both are equally dead and sin apart from Christ.

Both need Christ in order to be saved. And so it actually is, it's a robbing. It's a robbing for pastors to do that, to preach the gospel of repentance to one. side because they're skin color because they can handle it. But not to black people because they can't. I mean, you, that means you don't care about them. You don't love them. You don't care about their soul. You don't care if they go to hell. Because you would rather feel better about yourself and then feel maybe better about themselves than preach the gospel, which is that we are all equally dead and sin. Correct. And they, no, go ahead, go ahead. Go ahead. I was just going to say

it seems that they get mad because I don't hate white people. Right. And it's like, am I supposed to? Like, where is it written that I'm supposed to hate white people? And if you're a Christian, then you would know that's absolutely evil, you know, to start with. And so I now look at it like when people get mad or they want to say I'm a coon or Aunt Tom. It's just funny to me because I'm like, you're mad that I'm not walking around angry every single day. I thought that's what we were striving to be was happy and giving. getting along with each other and loving our fellow man,

but now you're telling me that I'm wrong because I don't walk around hating white people every day. It's crazy to me, and I don't even understand how any preacher could stand in the pulpit and justify preaching a message that would cause people to go out and hate someone because of their skin color.

Like, how can you do that and call yourself a Christian or a pastor? You should just, like, that's just wrong. to me. Yeah. I mean, it's bad ethics and it's bad Bible. I'm thinking of Ezekiel 18 where, I mean, prophet, it's a long treatise in terms of the son not being responsible for the sins of the father and the father not responsible with the sins of the son. And I mean, it's specific. It talks about oppression and murder and so on and so forth. And again, it's so patronizing because what ends up happening is that white people, both in and outside the church, who think this way, believe that they're

are more responsible for the actions of their great grandfathers than I am for the actions of my son. And that doesn't make any sense. Right. Because I'm raising my son. Right. Your great granddad is gone. You don't even know what his name is. Right.

And as I said, that type of thing is patronizing. But the other thing, and I'm sure you've seen this, Allie, is that this type of oppression-based theology within the church, the evangelical, you know, theologically conservative, quote-unquote church, also is what silences women who are either feminist light or reject complementarianism. This is why they can't speak on anything having to do with transgenderism

because that would put them in the oppression driver's seat and they don't want to do that. And this is why they've been so quiet on the issue of abortion. Because again, the more they speak out publicly on abortion, particularly in light of the leak around Roe, the more they get grouped in with the the hands made

handmaid tales Republican Trump ultra MAGA crowd who they want to avoid at all costs so one of my earlier columns which this is one of my favorite titles or concepts is that these women right both in and outside the church who have spent their entire lives

fighting for the rights of women and saying women have been oppressed and liberation I finally found a group of men that they can can submit to. Yeah. And certainly on the trans issue. And that's why you said they, they were not touch that. They're totally submitting to men who call themselves women. They won't touch that with a 10-foot pole. And if they do, they want to steer it back to a conversation about, you know, systemic oppression, whether of black folks or of women. But they can't hit these issues head on. And the same way you talked about, you know, that theoretical pastor,

their theology is boxed off because they can only go in a certain direction on certain issues. And anything else that, again, would make them play the role of oppressor, they won't touch it. Right. Yeah. I've noticed with a lot of women who I know to be pro-life, these are big Christian women influencers I'm thinking of on Instagram. And they are believers. I'm not questioning that. And they're probably conservative in most of their theology and maybe a lot of their politics.

they're these this group that I'm thinking of is not so scared of being like labeled maga as they simply are hurting their friends feelings who has a different opinion than them or like just getting criticism or getting comments and so I have seen a couple there are a couple of people that I'm thinking of that I'm like oh she said something about Roe that's good that's good but what I do notice and I'm not I don't want to criticize because I'm like you know what you put it out there good I know that was hard for you I know that you're worried about getting criticism the thing that I see, though, is that it's so different from how they respond when, like, police brutality happens or alleged police brutality, even if they don't have the whole story. Like, with the

abortion thing, the post that I'm seeing from this crowd, they're so shrouded in caveats. So much explanation, so much nuance. Like, I know this is a hot topic. I know this is going to hurt some people's feelings. I know that this is complicated. I know that it's complex. But me, personally, I would rather not kill babies, but that's just me. But then if it came to like, oh, that story, which ended up being bogus about the Border Patrol, like whipping. It's like, this definitely happened. This is racism. And they don't even care.

And it's because it's not really about justice. It's about what is the secular progressive side going to applaud and what are they going to jeer at? They don't want to take the jeering. They really wants to be liked by both camps so much. They think that if they're winsome enough, if they're nice, enough, if they're trendy enough, if they give just an inch on some of like the more secular stuff, then, you know, they won't be criticizing. They'll just be liked by everyone. But Stephen was full of grace and truth and he was stoned to that. It makes me feel like they don't believe this one

simple little thing. If God be for me, who can be against me? You know, if you really truly believe that, you don't really worry about who's going to be angry with what, with what you have to say. if you know you're standing on the side of truth. And that's the way it is for me. And I get so critical a lot of times of Christians. I am a former, and I always say former, ordained minister, because it makes me so angry when I see people that profess to be Christians be so weak and be so timid and not stand up for what they know is right.

If God before you, who can be against you? It doesn't matter. When I say something and I really feel like I'm standing in truth and I really feel like I'm standing on God's side. It doesn't matter the hateful comments that I get. It doesn't matter how many people want to jump in my inbox and say something mean. It doesn't matter if my neighbor gives me a weird look when I come out of the house. You know, I'm like, I'm on the side of truth.

And that's all that really matters to me. And I think a lot of people have really gotten away from that and they forget about that. And so they are worried about what someone else is going to think and how they feel about them. And I just don't care. because I'm going to hold him at his word, period. You know, if God said it, then it has to be true. So you're going to make sure I have a place to stay. You're going to make sure I have food to eat and to be able to feed my children,

and I'm going to be okay. And I have to stand on that and believe that because look at what's going on around us. I can't afford financially or spiritually to be weak and not do anything. I can't afford to. I think you hit on an excellent, both of you hit on an excellent point, which is both primarily theological, but also bleeds into political and cultural as well, which is what people need today is not better talking points. We need more people with some steel in the spine because it's, as you said, and I've seen that dynamic too. There is no nuance or grace or understanding for the alleged racist. people have no problem going at them with the fury of a thousand sons.

Alleged being the key word there. But when it comes to issues, again, like abortion or even people who deny, you know, Genesis 127, whether that's on abortion or transgenderism. Right. Then it's the argument suffers a death of a thousand caveats. Yeah. And I think, you know, to Shameka's point, for people who believe that they have the truth and standing on God's truth

to be so timid and weak and mealy mouth is to me that that is, it seems like it would be sinful because God is saying, I have said this, right? If you say you believe me, trust my words. Don't trust your own understanding, but we say no, God.

And part of it is because many conservatives, their highest desire is the respectability of the left. And this is why when they get in left-leaning platforms, whether it's the Atlantic or New York Times, they always, at best, they'll tickle

to the left and then they'll punch. You're talking about Christians. Correct, right. They'll tickle to the left and then they'll punch to the right. But even some non-Christian-Christian. Gosh, I can think of a thousand people that that describes.

So true. But even non-Christians, right? Even some, you know, congressional Republicans are easy, it's easy for them to criticize the Ultramaga crowd, which I heard a couple, Ultramaga, I said, you know what? I just learned that phrase the other day. Ultra Maga don't sound too bad. Right.

But it's easy for them to criticize those people. It's a lot harder when they're doing an op-ed in New York Times or Atlantic to speak truth as it relates to sex and gender, because they don't want to be criticized by the left. And I think once you realize that the left uses, that fear of being shamed to control us. In the same way, we talked about how they use certain tools to control black voters, once you throw that off and you say, you know what, I don't care what you think.

I'm not going to be let somebody who believes that Rachel Levine is a man and Leah Thomas is a man, tell me what I should think or dictate morals to me. I'm not going to let somebody who thinks that a child should and could be aborted, up even to the point where their mothers dilating. Right. And you call that a reproductive justice and you use the prospect of rape to manipulate me emotionally

all while you would fight for the rapist to get off death row. Oh, yeah. Under criminal justice. Under the guise of criminal justice. I'm not letting people like that make me feel bad about standing on God's true. So you can call me whatever you want.

You can say whatever you want, whatever bad names. As you said, we all get it to call. the coon and the Tom and the dancing raccoon. Right. Who cares. Next, get another argument. Yep.

Yeah. And keep moving forward. So that's what I would say. And I think our silence over the years, that's why we're here. Correct. You know, I think a lot of people were silent when I think it was the baker, didn't want to make the cake for the two. A lot of people were silent.

And now we wonder why we have kids transitioning at eight years old. We were silent then when we should have been speaking up. and when we should have been loud. So now it's not the time to be quiet. We've been quiet for too long. That's the problem. That's why we're here now. That's why we look like we're living in Sodom and Gomor.

That's why we look like we don't know if we're coming or going because we have been quiet for way too long. Yeah. And for the Christians who think, oh, well, I don't want to wait into politics. These are culture war issues. It's too divisive. Look, these are Genesis 1 issues.

These are fundamentally theological and theological fundamental issues. They've become political. The world will tell you they're political. The world will tell you these are cultural issues. But this really goes back. Abortion, gender, sexuality, marriage, family, the big ones that are controversial that a lot of Christians don't want to talk about, because they don't want to be unloving. That goes back to the first chapter of the Bible. So you're telling me as a Christian, you can't even defend what the first chapter of the Bible says. No, this is theological for us. People can call it political. It bleeds into the political and cultural realm, but it's downstream from what we believe about God.

And you mentioned, you know, you think it's sinful, the death by a thousand caveats, which I love. I'm definitely going to use that. But you question whether it's sinful. I think it is because when people try to soften what God's word says about sex or sexuality, gender, abortion, all that stuff, they're essentially saying that they are more loving than God. That how God says something is not loving enough.

It's not nice enough. It's not kind enough. and someone who thinks that they should soften what the Bible says to appeal to the world, you're essentially making yourself God. You're essentially saying, well, yeah, God said that, but let me let me let me let me let me mean that. Right, right. I know he said that, but let me tell you the culturally relevant nicer, nicer way to put that.

You are saying that you are kinder than God. You can't be kinder than God. God is love for John 1.9. That means, and we're not. So everything that he says and does, he does. does out of love, the most loving thing that we can do is agree with him. And gosh, why wouldn't we have the courage to be loving? Yeah.

That's the same way it is for the white savior complex when the white people feel like they need to fix what's going on with black people because we're so oppressed. They feel like, okay, let me come in with my white skin, ride in on my white horse to fix what's going on. Well, I don't need you to because someone rode in on a donkey and it's been done already. You know, so I get so mad when I see people not really. you know, speaking up and speaking out. And I'm like, can y'all come on?

Y'all going to make me put my collar back on. And I really don't want to. I need everybody to join hands and, you know, really speak out against these things that we know are just absolute error. Yeah, absolutely. I think that's a good place to end. Thank you so much for giving the encouragement at the end, just like the call to courage.

We say a lot that courage begets courage. So seeing someone stand up, take the arrows from the world and being willing to say, rather than looking at that person and saying, oh, I'm glad that's not me standing up and saying, you know what, I'll take those arrows too. Whatever. I believe that too. I'm going to take that courage. It's worth it, not just for us, but gosh, for our kids, too, for future generations.

At the very least, we want to be able to say that we stood up when it counted. One day, Jesus will come back. Every knee will bow. Every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. That will be the only day that, you know, perfect justice in right. righteousness reigns, but until then, we are called to be obedient, and that's what he gives us the strength to do. So thank you guys for doing that and for giving us an example in that. I really appreciate it. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political.

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