Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 664 | Farewell, Fauci, Atheist Debunks Heaven?, Female Victimhood

Episode Date: August 22, 2022

Today we’re starting off with news of Fauci’s announcement that he’s finally stepping down from government service (but still not retiring). Then, we take a look at Sam Harris’ recent comments... on heaven, in which he suggested he doesn’t know where heaven is supposed to be, “given we have multiple telescopes up there beaming back information.” These, along with his wild comments on Hunter Biden and the election, went viral for good reason. We look at some scripture relevant to Harris’ statement. Then, we discuss the ongoing phenomenon of women who flippantly and proudly joke about their abortions and why we need to stop acting as if all women who get abortions are victims. --- Today's Sponsors: Genucel — go to genucel.com/ALLIE and use code "ALLIE" at checkout for a special discount. Covenant Eyes — go to coveyes.com/ALLIE to try it FREE for 30 days! Blaze Socks — get your Blaze patriotic socks at BlazeSocks.com, use promo code 'ALLIESOCKS'! --- Show Links: NIH: "Statement by Anthony S. Fauci, M.D." https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/statement-anthony-s-fauci-md --- Previous Episodes Mentioned: Ep 544 | Why American COVID Policy Has Failed Us & How to Fix It | Guest: Dr. Bret Weinstein https://apple.co/3KdYK8n Ep 562 | Why Didn’t Trump Fire Dr. Fauci? | Guest: Dr. Scott Atlas https://apple.co/3Tl9YvZ Ep 650 | COVID Comeback, Depression Meds & Alzheimer’s Scandal | Guest: Dr. Jay Bhattacharya https://apple.co/3wlv57g --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.
Starting point is 00:00:19 We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Atheist Sam Harris debunks Christianity by pointing out that we've never seen heaven with a telescope. Women who joke flippantly about their abortions reveal an uncomfortable fact. Not all women who get abortions are victims. Dr. Fauci steps down as the director of the National Institute.
Starting point is 00:00:57 of allergy and infectious diseases. We will talk about all of this and more. I've got plenty of fiery takes for you today. This episode, as always, is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. go to good ranchers.com slash alley. That's good ranchers.com slash alley. Hey guys, welcome to relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. All right, first, let me touch on this Dr. Fauci story. I just heard about it a couple minutes ago. As I'm recording this. There's not a whole lot of reporting on it. He released a statement this morning, so I'll read some of that now. He says, I am announcing today that I will be stepping down from the positions of director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and Chief of the NIAID Laboratory
Starting point is 00:01:50 of Immuner Regulation, as well as the position of chief medical advisor to President Joe Biden. I will be leaving these positions in December of this year to pursue the next chapter of my career. while I'm moving on from my current positions, I'm not retiring. He's been in government for 50 years. Of course, that's part of our problem. He says, thanks to the power of science and investments in research and innovation, the world has been able to fight deadly diseases and help save lives around the globe, except for the fact that Dr. Fauci has been wrong and in very consequential ways,
Starting point is 00:02:25 many times, whether it's AIDS or whether it is COVID. All of this has really gone to his head. He said recently, you probably saw this clip going around. I don't think we ended up playing it on my show, but where he said people are now going into medicine. They're going into science because of him because he represents truth and integrity. He also said in a congressional hearing a few months ago that people who oppose him don't oppose him as a person, Anthony Fauci, but actually oppose science. And so it shouldn't surprise us that he has kind of taken on this godlike character that typically happens to lifelong bureaucrats who have been rewarded for being wrong as often as he has.
Starting point is 00:03:07 I think it's good for the country that he is stepping down. Of course, he's just going to make some other move where he still is making these kinds of decisions on behalf of Americans, unfortunately, but at least he won't be chief medical advisor to President Joe Biden. The question is, of course, who will be the next one? Probably not going to be any better than Dr. Fauci. some people are saying the reason that he's doing this now is because he knows Republicans are going to take the majority in Congress this November. And so he doesn't want them to hold him accountable for the mistakes that he has made. Now we have chronicled the mistakes of Dr. Fauci many times. You can go back and listen to some of the COVID episodes, the one with Brett Weinstein was probably the best, just kind of outlining the failures. Also, Scott Atlas as well, Dr. Bottacharya, definitely go back. listen to those episodes and you'll know what I'm talking about when I'm talking about Dr. Fauci's
Starting point is 00:04:04 corruption in some ways, but also his incompetence in other ways. So is this a way for him to skirt responsibility and accountability for the failures that have kind of marked his career over the past two years? I'm not sure. And if it is his kind of escape route, I don't know if that's going to work. We'll see about that. But I guess, we'll just take it as we can, that this is, at least for now, pretty good news. All right. Now, I want to talk about this Sam Harris clip that if you are on Twitter, you have probably seen circulating.
Starting point is 00:04:42 If you're not on Twitter, God bless you. That's a good thing. And I will fill you in on what a lot of conservatives and liberals are kind of arguing about. If you don't know who Sam Harris is, he is a neuroscientist, a philosopher, an author. He is a part of what was dubbed a few years ago, the intellectual dark web. I think it was a New York Times article just about kind of like heterodox thinkers, people who are conservative and liberal and are maybe in some way centrist.
Starting point is 00:05:16 It depends on which character of the intellectual dark web you are talking about. And Sam Harris has kind of been seen as a reasonable liberal, a reasonable atheist who is not completely woke and has kind of critiqued some of wokeness. And so some conservatives have seen him as an ally. You can imagine many of their shock and disgust when he said on a podcast called the Triggerometry podcast that he would not have cared. He said he would not have cared if the New York Post had found out that Hunter Biden had the corpses of children in his basement when it came to him deciding whether or not he was going to vote for Joe Biden. He said that it did not matter.
Starting point is 00:06:04 He also said that he pretty much agreed with the decision of Twitter to try to censor the New York Post article. You'll remember when that happened right before the election. The New York Post came out with all these incriminating details about Hunter Biden's life and his laptop and the different material that was found on his laptop. and Twitter decided to suspend the New York Post account because of this factual story. Well, Sam Harris, he wanted so badly for Joe Biden to win that he really didn't care whether or not that story was free to circulate. And he went even further to say that he does not care at all about the corruption of Hunter Biden.
Starting point is 00:06:47 Maybe there's a case to be made that you shouldn't try to lay responsibility for the sins and the mistakes and the problems of someone. son on the father's feet, but because the corruption and the business workings of Hunter Biden are inextricably intertwined, interconnected with Joe Biden, I think that that is extremely pertinent. I mean, the question is, of course, how much does and did Joe Biden know? I mean, when we're talking about Burisma and all of that. So a lot of people were understandably angry about Sam Harris's comments. Now, I've never followed Sam Harris.
Starting point is 00:07:23 I'm not like some huge fan of him, so I didn't feel betrayed in any way. I am very skeptical of the whole quote unquote, like reasonable liberal crowd. Not that I don't think that they make good points and that we can't link arms on some things because I absolutely think that we can. But at the end of the day, I understand that a lot of them hate conservative Christianity just as much as, if not more than they say that they hate, you know, left-wing wokeism. They really think that they can just take America back to 1990. 95 and we'll all be well and good.
Starting point is 00:07:55 And I just, I don't think that that's a worthy goal. And I also see their underlying resentment for people like me. So I didn't feel betrayed because I kind of see these people for what they are. At the end of the day, they are going to pick the left wing option. But what he said that I want to respond to because whatever, don't really care about that. That's a ridiculous thing to say. But I want to respond to his comments on heaven. As I said, he is an atheist.
Starting point is 00:08:23 And he asks on this Triggerometry podcast that, you know, where is heaven exactly? I mean, we've never seen it. So here is a clip of him saying that. Like I'm not going to make magical claims about flying saviors who are literally going to come down from where is heaven exactly, given that we have, you know, multiple telescopes up there, you know, beaming back, you know, tens of billions of years worth of, information. So some people are saying that he was being tongue in cheek there. I really do not think that he was. And given the context of the entire conversation, I don't think that he was being sarcastic. I don't think he was making a joke. I think he was earnestly saying that heaven probably doesn't exist, or heaven doesn't exist, of course, in his belief system, because we haven't seen it.
Starting point is 00:09:14 Look, we have powerful telescopes. We've been able to see light years away. We've been able to look in galaxies. We've never seen this heaven. So how can you possibly how can you possibly believe that Jesus's Savior is going to come down from heaven when we have never seen it? Here's a thing about a lot of atheists. And I'm not saying atheists in general, but many atheists, they think that they have thought harder about Christianity than all Christians have. They think that every Christian or every religious person, but specifically it seems like their sights are set on Christianity when it comes to debunking it and demeaning it. deriding it. And they believe there have been no Christian scholars who have truly wrestled with
Starting point is 00:09:59 the creation, with the creation of the universe, or with apologetics, or with the resurrection, or any of these very difficult aspects of Christianity, they think that they are the first ones to have this revelation. They always think that they're the first ones to ask questions, that all of us are just accepting everything we hear without using our minds to kind of of wrestle with them and work through them and come to logical and theological conclusions about them. And so he probably thought that he was making a very good point here. And I joked on Twitter. I said, wow, I watched this clip. I'm no longer a Christian. You have completely obliterated my worldview Sam Harris. The thing is, most atheists who think that they know everything about
Starting point is 00:10:47 Christianity don't know anything about Christianity. They haven't read the Bible. They've heard things secondhand, even if a lot of them often, they'll say that they were raped in the church. Many times it's the Catholic Church, but sometimes it's the evangelical church as well, Pentecostal, and they'll think that their experience gives them all of this expertise. And because they've been in it and now they've come out, they think that they know more and have more authority than those who are still in it. So they don't actually think that they need to have the same knowledge and the same theological expertise as Christian theologians do, for example. And if Sam Harris did know scripture,
Starting point is 00:11:28 if he did know anything about basic Christian theology, he would know that this is not a good argument to make. This is not a very smart argument to make. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular.
Starting point is 00:12:06 This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. 1 Corinthians 2 6 through 16. Yet among the mature, we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory.
Starting point is 00:12:47 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written. What no eye has seen, what no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, nor the heart of man imagined what God has prepared for those who love him. These things God has revealed to us through the spirit, to us Christians, for the spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except for the spirit of that person which is in him? So also, no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the spirit of God.
Starting point is 00:13:23 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the spirit who is from. God. So the only people who can fully understand the things of God are the people who have his spirit. This is Ali's commentary and who are Christians. This passage goes on to say that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom, but taught by the spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. The natural person does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are folly to him. And he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one for who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct
Starting point is 00:14:05 him. But we Christians have the mind of Christ. So multiple parts there and really the whole first chapter of 1st Corinthians, I really love the segments where it talks about, where it asks the rhetorical question. Like, where is the scribe? Where is the wise one? Where are the rulers? Where are the ones who supposedly are the discerning philosophers among us who can try to debunk the things of God? Look, these people have a worldly spirit. They are not going to be able to understand the things of God. So that is why, ultimately, spiritually, Sam Harris says the things that he does, but he also doesn't understand that there is another dimension in which heaven exists. What no eye has seen, nor ear has heard, nor the heart of man even imagined what God has prepared for those who love him in eternity.
Starting point is 00:14:53 So, of course, the human eye cannot see it. John 1.18. No one has ever seen God, the only God, who was at the Father's side. He has made him known. 1 John 412 through 13. No one has ever seen God. If we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us. But we know that we abide in him and he and us because he has given us of his spirit.
Starting point is 00:15:15 So again, that Holy Spirit is necessary to understand who God is, where he is, the things of God that are just not discernible even by the smartest and the wisest people of this age. Sam Harris, I'm sure, is a very smart person. I'm sure he is a very intellectual person. I certainly don't think that he's dumb. Maybe he does even know some of Christian theology to the point to where he feels like he can debate it. I am sure that he is a thoughtful person. But at the end of the day, he lives within the spirit of the age.
Starting point is 00:15:50 He is dictated by the world. And God ultimately, as it also says in 1st Corinthians, shames the wisdom of the wise so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. So the wisdom of the world, the wisdom of the world is foolishness to God. And the foolishness that the world sees as the gospel of Christ is, wiser than any form of worldly wisdom. So that's the reality. That's what I thought of when I saw this Sam Harris clip.
Starting point is 00:16:22 A lot of people were dunking on him, myself included kind of being sarcastic and making jokes about this. At the end of the day, I hope that he repents. I hope that he is one day filled with the spirit of God, that he becomes a new creation, that he understands the things of the Lord, that he understands and accepts the gospel of Christ. I pray that God would soften his heart in that and that he would be able to be able to be able to, to attain through the fear of the Lord true wisdom. That's what I want for Sam Harris. That's what I
Starting point is 00:16:48 want for all people who don't believe and who don't know. But also I want a little bit of humility from people who are critics of Christianity to understand that look, a lot of us have thought about all of the things that you think are novel. You think are new questions. There are thousands and thousands of years of Christian theologians wrestling with the very questions that you are bringing up today. So if you truly have questions about these things. Like if you truly want to know what the Christian answer is for some of the objections that you have, look back throughout history. There are many theologians who have probably addressed the questions that you have. All right. More internet craziness that I saw over the weekend. There was a
Starting point is 00:17:29 tweet that went viral over 260,000 likes when I saw it, almost 20,000 retweets. And someone tweeted, when my friend went to get an abortion and they made her do an ultrasound beforehand. So she posted this on her snap story. And it's a picture of a sonogram. The baby, based on my experience, I would guess, is probably nine to 10 weeks. And then the caption on Snapchat in the picture says, hmm, not feeling her. And now if you're not totally familiar with like Gen Z language, she's not saying not physically feeling her. She means like, ooh, not feeling that. Like, that doesn't have good vibes. And this actually turns out to be not real. This person, got a sonogram picture from a blog post from a random website from back in 2017. And so she's making a joke
Starting point is 00:18:22 about it. She's being flipping about it. But the replies under the tweet are some of the worst things that I've ever seen. Joking about having an abortion, joking about getting rid of the child. Someone told this story, said, reminds me of when a girl on here got a necklace with a giant letters aborted after going through that experience. Then some lady commented, you should be a because many women like myself can't have kids and told her and then the girl who got an abortion told her maybe you should get a necklace that says infertile. I don't know. So just very heartless and callous replies. I've seen tweets like this before just threads of people making fun of getting rid of an unborn child killing that life. And then I've noticed also over the past
Starting point is 00:19:10 couple of years that there is a trend on TikTok of young girls videoing themselves going to plan parenthood or after their abortion and just kind of laughing about it and even celebrating it. So here are three quick examples of that happening on TikTok. All right. So I know that if you're just listening to this, then that might not make a lot of sense to you. Those are three different examples of girls chronically. their experience with abortion, laughing about it, thinking it's funny. And these videos have thousands of views, hundreds of thousands of views, thousands of likes. A lot of people applauding it saying that it's hilarious, of course, saying that these babies are
Starting point is 00:20:09 just clumps of cells. One of the girls on there said, oh, just dropped my baby off at daycare. She was entering into Planned Parenthood. The other one was like, here's my baby on January. January 8th, 2016, and then it's just a picture of nothing. So the baby disappeared. And the other one is a girl who pretends like she's doing a gender reveal and says it's, and then she pulls up a sign that says, boarded rather than a boy or a girl.
Starting point is 00:20:42 So the tweet might have been a joke, but the replies underneath it. And the trend that it represents of flippantly joking about abortion is not a joke. it's real. It speaks to a real state of people's heart. And then I also saw this video that was posted by lives of TikTok. This is two women, two podcasters talking about an abortion fetish, making an only fan for abortions because some people are into that. And I'm just going to warn you. Just going to warn you, this is extremely graphic. Would not listen to this around your kids. But I think it's really important for us to at least just brief. look at what the evil is behind abortion, what the spirit is underneath the abortion movement.
Starting point is 00:21:35 So here it is. I stayed awake. I wanted the whole experience of it. I'm like, I want to look into your face when you're sucking that out of my body. That's kind of hot. Why is that hot? Well, I'm like up in freaking stirrups and I'm just like 21 and just like, mm. Wait a minute.
Starting point is 00:21:51 Does abortion spa also have an only fan? Only fans abortions to help women pay for their abortions. If people are into that, there's a fetish for that. So I understand that was really, really disturbing and that probably, I mean, hurts your heart and makes you want to cry and it's just a gut punch. And I know. And I really hesitated even playing it at all. But I just want us to be able to stare in the face, even just briefly, the evil that
Starting point is 00:22:16 exists on the pro-abortion side. I mean, that is the spirit that is fueling it. I'm not saying that everyone who considers themselves pro-choice believes the same things. And when you use that language, that's not what I'm saying. But that is one of the most like naked views of the underlying spirit and motivation behind the side that is pro-legalized baby murder. And you know what has really begun to bother me about our rhetoric as pro-lifers? like when we look at things like that, it becomes really obvious kind of just how off we've been in some of the things that we say that when we talk about abortion, we talk about the women who get abortion as if they are all victims. We just assume that they are.
Starting point is 00:23:05 We almost talk about them like their children, like totally ignorant without any agency or ability to make decisions. And sometimes, sometimes that is true. Sometimes they are 12 year olds. And so their parents are making them get an abortion. Sometimes they have special needs and someone in their life is making them get an abortion. Sometimes maybe they are totally and completely deceived and ignorant as to what an abortion is. Sometimes they are forced to do it by boyfriends or a pimp or someone, like I said, maybe their parents. Sometimes they're raped or exploited.
Starting point is 00:23:37 So they are victims. And Planned Parenthood is happy, by the way, to cover up their abuse as long as they get money from their abortions. And so some women who get abortions are absolutely victims. But we have to acknowledge that these are probably not the majority of cases. Actually, I think we can safely say this is not the majority of cases. These scenarios of women being victims who are seeking abortions. The majority of women who get abortions likely know exactly what they're doing. Many of them see the baby on the ultrasound.
Starting point is 00:24:09 They hear the heartbeat. Some of them even get to the point of feeling the baby kick and they still have abortions. This is actually fairly common. I see these kinds of tweets consistently. We see the joking about abortion on Twitter. They're organizations like Shout Your Abortion that seek to make abortion seem normal and even moral. There was a New Yorker article several years ago saying that abortion is a moral good. I testified in Congress in the House of Representatives with an abortionist from St. Louis who said that abortion is a moral good.
Starting point is 00:24:43 That may not be at least explicitly the majority view on the side of those. who say that they're for legal abortion, but this absolutely is a common deal. And those who say that it's not, who say that there's no such thing as being pro-abortion, they are either lying or deceived. They are either deceiving or are deceived themselves or both. There are women who are pro-abortion. There are women who get abortions and are not helpless victims. They were not forced. They were not pressured. They were not even particularly desperate. They weren't ignorant of what they're doing, there are many who do not feel guilt, who do not feel a secret sadness, they know that she's a human, and they ended her life anyway. We have to grapple with this reality. This reality that in so many
Starting point is 00:25:30 ways the world and even we as Christians often cannot bring ourselves to recognize that women are sinners. Just like men, we have the same capacity for sin. We have responsibility for sin. Our hearts are just as inclined toward evil. Our main problem as women. Contrary. to popular opinion is not the patriarchy or unrealistic body standards or capitalism or even Planned Parenthood or any system or institution. Our main problem as women is that without Christ, we are dead in our sin. Our hearts are sick. They're desperately wicked that left to our own fleshly devices. We will lie, we will cheat, and we will kill to serve ourselves. We do women a disservice. When we regard them like children, when we pretend that they bear no responsibility
Starting point is 00:26:18 for their actions, that they don't deserve accountability, and more than that, we perpetuate injustice. It is unjust not to place responsibility on women for the choices that they knowingly make. And even more deeply than that, when we depict women as helpless victims, even when they're not, we rob them of the truth of the gospel, which says that we are sinners, and we bear the weight of our sin and we need Jesus to save us from it. A woman will not seek forgiveness and redemption if she doesn't think there's anything of which she needs to be forgiven or from which she needs to be redeemed. It is not loving to talk about women who seek abortions as if they are all helpless victims. It's not loving toward the baby who actually is the innocent victim and deserves justice.
Starting point is 00:27:05 That means in some cases women should share legal responsibility depending on her age, mental capacity, her culpability, whether she was forced or not, the circumstances surrounding the abortion, how old was the baby. All of these things have always gone into judicial decisions about who bears responsibility for the taking of a person's life. Now, these women are not the ones committing the murder when they are seeking abortions, but they are many times knowingly complicit and are paying for it. Therefore, I mean, I'm not talking about life in prison. I'm not talking about the death penalty, but shouldn't hiring a hit man? To kill a human being, bring with it a legal consequence? Like, isn't that justice if we truly believe that the baby in
Starting point is 00:27:51 the womb is a human as we pro-lifers are always saying that she is? It is also lying to say that they're all victims. And lying is not love. The truth is they will have to answer for those abortions one day. And what we want is for them on that day to be covered by the blood of Christ. and in order for them to be covered by God's grace, they have to know that they need it today. And for them to know that they need God's grace, they have to know why. They have to know that they, like all of us, have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I have talked to women who have had abortions. I have cried with them.
Starting point is 00:28:29 I have talked to women who are considering abortions, women who have been surprised by pregnancies when they feel like they can't make ends meet. They are kind women. Their stories have brought me to tears and have made me praise God for his mercy and his forgiveness that he can use what Satan means for evil for his glory and our good. These women deserve our compassion. They deserve our love. They deserve our listening ear.
Starting point is 00:28:55 Our prayers, our resources. We should be doing everything we can to meet the needs of women who are pregnant and to help their families. We should greet them with open arms. We should do what pro-lifers have been doing for decades. is loving them and caring for them, what the church has been doing thousands of years, which is to be a refuge for the most vulnerable. All of this while knowing that the nature of the human heart is evil.
Starting point is 00:29:22 And facing the tough reality that, as Romans 121 says, the non-believers thinking becomes futile and their foolish hearts become darkened and calloused and conscious evil decisions are made. Women are also capable of that. We cannot fight what is ultimately a spiritual battle against abortion if we are not willing to face the spiritual reality that women are sinners too. Satan would love nothing more than for us to think otherwise, that women have no responsibility and no agency, and therefore they don't need forgiveness of sins, therefore they don't need accountability, therefore they don't bear any culpability or responsibility. He will convince a woman that nothing is really her fault all the way to hell. And so let us say injustice, in truth and in love, yes, for the baby and for the woman, not on our watch.
Starting point is 00:30:15 This is speaking the truth in love. And I just think that we as pro-lifers, as compassionate and as gentle and as loving as we rightly want to be, cannot forsake truth and justice and realize that not all women who get abortions are victims. Many of them know exactly, exactly what they are doing. And I think we should change our rhetoric and change our perspective a little bit in recognizing that and realizing that truth and talking about that truth. I think that we give women a cover when we pretend like they are not actually responsible for their actions. As I said, many women who seek abortions are victims in many ways. But many are not. And let us recognize their capacity for wickedness.
Starting point is 00:31:03 and to choose evil things and let us also let us use that truth to bring us and to bring them to the realization that they are in need of forgiveness and a savior. All right, guys, that is really all we have time to spend to really discuss today. There were so many other stories that I wanted to talk about, but we have to close this out. We have amazing conversations coming up for the rest of the week, Wednesday. You are absolutely going to love it. We are having a conversation with the host of the cultish podcast because it is episode 666. And we are going to be talking about the occult, demonic activity, demonic possession, demonic oppression, how much stock should we put into the signs and the symbols that people are always seeking out among celebrities and music videos and books and even on kids toys and promoted by brands and things like that?
Starting point is 00:32:11 You're going to love it. It is in some ways a disturbing conversation because these things are real. But these guys do such a good job in bringing it back to the light and the truth and the goodness of the gospel and equipping and empowering us as Christians to be able to confront the evil works of darkness in a way that is discerning in a way that is grounded in God's truth. So that's Wednesday. Tomorrow we're going to talk about the failings of the criminal justice system with an expert on that. That's also a great conversation. And then on Thursday, we've got an amazing, amazing discussion with a detransitioner. So she transitioned as a teenager, detransitioned quickly after that.
Starting point is 00:32:54 And in the midst of that, God saved her life. You are going to get so much out of that. So I'm really excited for the conversations that we are having this week. Thank you guys so much for listening. As always, if you love this podcast, leave us a five-star review. Before we head out, just want to remind you that Blaze socks are. still on sale. They've got lots of cool patriotic socks. They've got the Ron DeSantis ones. They've got the one making fun of the World Economic Forum because, of course, that's something
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