Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 676 | Murder in Memphis, the Queen’s Death & 9/11 Thoughts | Guest: Fr. Calvin Robinson

Episode Date: September 12, 2022

Today we're starting off with a look back at 9/11 and how it changed the country as we knew it. We talk about why we should focus on faithful advocacy in America and how there is potential for optimism despite how bleak America currently looks. Then, we discuss the Left's responses to 9/11, many of which equate 9/11 to events like the January 6 riot. We'll go over why this is such a dangerous philosophy. We'll look at the multiple stories of violent crime in Memphis from the past few weeks and look at exactly what policies might be to blame. We talk about the racialization of crime stories in politics and on social media and why social justice ultimately kills. Then, we're joined by Father Calvin Robinson to talk about the legacy of Queen Elizabeth and some of the tasteless comments on her death, as well as what's going on in a U.K. city known for child exploitation and how we should reframe the conversation on race. --- Timecodes: [01:00] Remembering 9/11 [12:21] The Left's reaction to 9/11 [23:21] Memphis crime stories [40:09] Interview with Fr. Calvin Robinson --- Today's Sponsors: My Patriot Supply — prepare yourself for anything with long-term emergency food storage. Go to PrepareWithAllie.com to save $250! Reliefband — save 20% off plus free shipping at Reliefband.com when you use promo code 'ALLIE'! CrowdHealth — get your first 6 months for just $99/month. Use promo code 'ALLIE' when you sign up at JoinCrowdHealth.com. --- Show Links: Fox News: "US prosecutors may negotiate plea deal with 9/11 architect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, other conspirators: Report" https://www.foxnews.com/us/us-prosecutors-may-negotiate-plea-deal-architect-khalid-sheikh-mohammed-conspirators-report NBC: "A medical assistant and an aspiring entrepreneur are among the victims in Memphis" https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/medical-assistant-aspiring-entrepreneur-are-memphis-shooting-victims-rcna46896 Fox News: "Eliza Fletcher murder suspect allegedly connected to 2021 rape, police didn't request 'expedited' DNA review" https://www.foxnews.com/us/eliza-fletcher-murder-suspect-allegedly-connected-2021-rape-police-didnt-request-expedited-dna-review Breaking 911: "URGENT: Memphis Police Looking For Men Seen In Video Vowing To Kill White People" https://breaking911.com/urgent-memphis-police-looking-for-men-seen-in-video-vowing-to-kill-white-people-day-after-deadly-rampage-was-streamed-on-fb-live/ ABC 24: "Steve Mulroy says tackling crime is the focus as he officially takes D.A. seat Thursday" https://www.localmemphis.com/article/news/community/steve-mulroy-officially-takes-district-attorney-seat-thursday-crime-reform/522-7e3fc244-cd55-4ab9-9fb7-94ce3d8e6b70 --- Previous Episodes Mentioned: Ep 673 | Biden Thinks You're a Threat. You Are https://apple.co/3eILugj REPLAY: Can a 9/11 Survivor Forgive Al Qaeda? | Guest: Sen. Brian Birdwell https://apple.co/3QCcawg --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. A Memphis mom was murdered by a man who should have been in jail. The Tennessee town is right now riddled with crime and chaos. So what policies are causing this and how should Christians respond to these tragedies? 9-11 reminds us the country we grew up in is not.

coming back. And actually, that might be a good thing. I'll explain why. The Queen of England is dead. What should we make of the criticisms of her and her reign? Was she just an evil colonizer? Or a steady symbol of Christian hope? Father Calvin Robinson will help us answer those questions. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to good ranchers.com slash alley. That's good ranchers.com slash alley. Hey y'all, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. If you have not listened to yesterday's episode, it was a replay episode of an interview I did last year with someone who survived the attack on the Pentagon in 9-11. And we specifically talked about his ability to and his desire to, through Christ, forgive the terrorist who attacked the Pentagon in 9-11. And we specifically talked about his ability to and his desire to, through Christ, forgive the terrorist who attacked the Pentagon in. and caused him to suffer all of the wounds, both emotional and physical, that he has suffered all of these years. Hard to believe that it has been 21 years. It's hard to believe for me that I can

remember something that happened 21 years ago. And yet I do very vividly. I remember sitting in my fourth grade classroom. So I was nine years old. And I remember exactly what my teacher was wearing. She had black and white pants on. She had a black shirt. I remember the lump in her wrote as she passed out these little enveloped letters for us to give to our parents when we went home and our parents would open up those letters and read them to us. And I remember my mom doing that in the kitchen and telling us that there had been an attack. There had been plane crashes. Of course, in my nine-year-old mind, I didn't fully understand what was happening. I grew up in Dallas, major city. And then because we just didn't know if there was still a threat of more attacks,

if we would have to leave the major cities and go somewhere more remote. And so there were a lot of questions, a lot of confusion for me at the time. And yet somehow my little mind grasped in the same way that I'm sure yours did too, if you were about that age, that something monumental was happening, that there was a shift going on, that this wasn't just an accident. This wasn't just another political moment. And I remember the political moments surrounding the election that happened right before that with Bush v. Gore. That's probably my first political memory that I have.

And of course, I knew my nine-year-old self somehow understood that this was much bigger than an election, that this was much more impactful than that. And I remember the camaraderie, the united patriotism that we felt afterwards. I remember the respect that people had for our leaders and the renewed love that people had for our country. And that quickly faded after 9-11. But I remember those ensuing moments. And the fact is, is that we do not live in the same country that you and I grew up in. We just don't. And I know this is going to sound really pessimistic. And I'll bring us back up. up into a little more optimism in a second, but I don't think that we will ever go back. I don't think that we will ever have the America of the 1980s or the 1990s.

It's strange to think that after a terrorist attack and after such a contingentous election, it's strange to say that that time was a lot simpler and that we were somehow more united. And yet that's true. And I know some of us long to go back to that time. time. Some of us long to go back to the America in which we grew up. And yet I do think it's time for us to forsake that nostalgia and come to terms with the fact that we just are not where we were. The moral, political, cultural, social, sexual revolutions have gone full steam ahead for the past 20 years so that we do not look like the same country that we did 20 years ago. Our differences as Americans

run really deep because they're not just political. They're not just about who we should elect. They're not just about policy, but they're really worldview disagreements. We disagree on issues of biblical proportions. We disagree on reality itself. We disagree on how to define what a woman is. I don't know how you come back from that. Save a great awakening. Save God's great. pouring out on this country and manifesting itself and people opening their eyes to what is good and right and true. And here's where the optimism comes in. I think that that can happen. I believe that God can do that if he wants to. I believe that God can be merciful. He can bring people to himself. He can strengthen the church. He can raise up bold, courageous, good, righteous, just,

leaders? I mean, we never thought that Roe v. Wade would get overturned. We never thought that that would happen. We just said, no, America is just hurtling closer and closer to hell. We're just going to hell in a handbasket things are only going to get worse and worse until Jesus comes back. There will be no instance of true righteousness or justice. And yet God in his mercy allowed Roe v. Wade to be overturned. That is the result, yes, of God's providence, but also 50 years of courageous and consistent and persistent activism by pro-lifers who didn't care about the persecution, who didn't care about the pushback, saw the goal that they had in their sights to do everything they can, to save unborn children by changing the law to conform to that which is just.

And here we are. Here we are in the wake of the Dobbs decision Roe v. Wade being overturned. And because of that, now there are states doing more than they've ever been able to. to protect the lives of vulnerable unborn children. We never thought that that could happen. And yet things changed. Things changed for the better because of the bravery of people, because of the boldness of people who are willing to raise a respectful ruckus for the things that matter,

because of people who understood that politics matter because policy matters, because people matter. And they fought and they spoke and they lived like it. And because of the grace and the sovereignty and the mercy of God, that happened. Roe v. Wade was overturned. And so I think it is possible for our country to change for the better. But we need to realize that it doesn't mean going back to the 70s or 80s or 90s or whenever you think that our heyday was. Because really, if you trace a lot of the problems that we have, whether it's gender ideology, whether it's selling our jobs over to China, whether it is the communism that seems to pervade our public education system or our academic system or higher.

education system, all of those problems really started in the age that we look back and think was the golden age, the 50s, the 60s, the 70s, and the 80s, they hadn't manifested themselves as wickedly as they have today. But as we've talked about many times on this podcast, a lot of these ideologies started gaining traction, at least in academic circles 50 years ago. So I'm not really interested in going backward. I'm interested in going forward. It is a new day. It is a new era. This is a new America. We have new problems. We have new issues. We have different kinds of disagreements today. We're a different kind of people than our parents' generation and our grandparents' generation. There's a lot of bad aspects to that, but I refuse to believe that that is accidental.

I refuse to believe that God places here arbitrarily. I don't know the fate of America. I don't. I don't think that there is some special promise that God placed in the nooks and crannies of the Bible for, you know, American ultimate victory and sovereignty over the world. I don't think that America is God's chosen country. All I know is that God can use brave, strong, faithful, Christians to better the country in which he has providentially and purposely placed them.

And I believe that that is part of our role. I don't believe that our primary job as Christians is to be political activists. I don't believe that the primary way to love your neighbor is simply to vote for a candidate with good policies, but it is a way. just as Israel was in exile in Jeremiah 29 and God commanded them to seek the welfare of the city in which God had placed him. So I think Christians today, if we're to abide by that same principle, should seek the welfare, the well-being of the city, of the places of the communities in which God has placed us. And I do believe that maybe not in our lifetimes, but maybe in our children's

lifetimes or in our grandchildren's lifetimes that the consequences of our faithful advocacy for that which is good and right and true can manifest itself in really good things. I believe in the possibility of a great awakening. I do. It's not going to look exactly like it did right after 9-11. Maybe it can be better. Maybe we can build a better country than the one that we grew up in. It's going to take a lot of courage. It's going to take a lot of work. it's going to take putting the right people in charge, but it's also going to take a lot of consistency at the grassroots level. And I know that a lot of you out there,

especially you moms are doing just that. So thank you. Keep going. Let 9-11 just be a reminder of that which we are fighting for and pushing towards for our kids and for our grandkids. Hey, this is Steve Deist. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political.

They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us.

All right. So our beloved vice president, Kamala Harris, was in an interview, doing an interview with Chuck Todd of MSNBC on Meet the Press over the weekend. And he, in his question, compared 9-11, the terrorist attacks on 9-11 to the supposed attacks on 9-11. to the supposed attacks on our democracy by Americans here in the United States. Here's what VP Harris said. Look, we're at the 21st marking, if you will, of the September 11th attacks. This was a foreign terrorist attacking our democracy, attacking this country. We're now as a nation battling a threat from within.

Is the threat equal or greater than what we faced after 9-11? That's an interesting question. I have held many elected offices, District Attorney, Attorney, General, Senator, now Vice President, and there's an oath that we always take, which is to defend and uphold our Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. We don't compare the two and the oath,

but we know they both can exist, and we must defend against it. All right. You know that we launched a war to kill the foreign enemies that attacked us on 9-11. And in light of President Biden's speech, which we analyzed last week, go back and listen to that episode, if you haven't already, like, what do you think they're alluding to? What do you think that they are actually implying here? I mean, remember, President Biden against the blood red wall behind him, flanked by members of our military. said that quote unquote maga republicans are an enemy to the republic or a threat to democracy and he

tried to say oh they're just fringe republicans but then in the next breath he contradicts himself by describing who these so supposed extremist republicans are people who are pro life people who basically disagree with his regime um so here is vice president harris doubling down on that doubling down on what the MSNBC commentators have been saying recently that apparently we're already in a civil war. Again, we talked about that last week. Kathy Griffin, Griffith, Griffin, I can never remember. She's a comedian and she tweeted last week, if you want a civil war, don't vote for Democrats. If you want a civil war, then you should vote Republican.

If you don't want a civil war, vote Democrats. What's that supposed to mean? Is that a threat that if people vote? Republican and Republicans take over both the House and the Senate that Democrats are going to launch a civil war on MSNBC last week. They said they think the civil war has already started. Yeah, we've already seen that with the DOJ going after Biden's political opponents. Tristan Snell, he is a lawyer. He prosecuted Trump University. He's a former assistant attorney general for New York State commentator for MSNBC and CNN. He tweeted, yes, yesterday. September 11th was a terrorist attack. January 6th was a terrorist attack. So we're supposed to, you see, we're supposed to draw an equivalence here. So the people who rioted, and that's what I call it, I think it's a riot. The people who rioted on January 6th, who did not kill anyone who were unarmed. I'm not defending a lot of the things that I saw, a lot of the violence that I saw. I think it's inexcusable. But we're talking about unarmed people, rioting, not killing it. anyone versus foreign terrorists who murdered almost 3,000 people. So tell me how these things are the same. Tell me how these things are the same.

Like you've seen some of the people that have gotten prosecuted for just being there on January 6th. I mean, we're talking about grandparents. We're talking about nonviolent offenders. We're talking about people who maybe shouldn't have been doing certain things, getting the book thrown at them when literal murderers are. walking the streets in Democrat cities in the name of social justice. So tell me again how these two things are the same. Oh, and by the way, apparently the Biden administration, CBS News confirmed

this that military prosecutors and defense attorneys, rather, are negotiating potential plea deals that could take the death penalty off the table for the five defendants accused in the 9-11 attacks. That is the definition of injustice. So on the 21st anniversary of 9-11, we're hearing that military prosecutors are trying to get a lighter sentence, a lighter punishment for the terrorists that murder thousands and thousands of people, thousands and thousands of innocent Americans. My only question is, why are they still alive? Why have they been allowed to breathe all of these years? The only just consequence of that kind of crime is the death penalty. And as we'll talk about in a minute, really, the only just punishment for any murder that is proven is the death penalty.

And right now, they're trying to get a lighter sentence for these terrorists who murdered thousands of people. It's really amazing. Just how our morality and our sense of justice in this country has completely crumbled. And look, being declared enemies of the state by these kinds of people who really have no sense of justice means that we're living through really scary times. You who thought that you were just living a normal, quiet, productive life by working hard, raising a family, going to church, helping your community. Because you vote Republican, because you're against abortion, because you oppose the gender mutilation of children,

you are considered a domestic enemy of the state by this administration and their cronies in the media. And again, do not think that they distinguished between you and those who rioted on January 6th. Biden made clear in that speech that he considers pro-lifers to be extreme. This administration has already declared their intent to go after concerned parents at school board meetings who take issue with their children seeing pornography at the school library. when they said extreme radical threat, a domestic threat to the Constitution, they mean you and me. Those of us who simply believe the things that Christians for thousands of years have believed about the sacredness of human life, the reality of male and female, the role of parents and the family versus the state.

We, they say, who live quiet and peaceful lives are the threat, even as they have nothing to say about the consistent and destructive political violence on their own side, even as they work hand in glove with major corporations like Google and Facebook and Twitter to punish speech that they find disagreeable. And as I said last week, in a sense, they are right. Even though you are a peaceful person, you are a threat because you are a threat to secular progressivism by standing. Again, for that which is good. That which is right.

That which is true. by simply teaching your children what is right, by pushing back against the darkness in every sphere you occupy, whether it's at work or at school, you are a threat to the dark and destructive ideology that the ruling class represents. So you should just embrace that. Look, Christians have always been a hindrance to tyranny. We have always been a boil on the back of dictators. We have always been an obstacle for totalitarians, both privately and publicly, Christians throughout history have defied the fascists and the communists and the communists and the the wicked monarchs and the powerful oppressors, our strategy of opposition will change in America

as the moment demands, but if there is one thing you must never do in an age of intense hostility against the truth. That is lie. Do not lie. There's nothing else that you can do. Do not lie. Never say something or affirm something that is not true just to make your life easier. Root yourself in what is true as a Christian. That in itself is opposition to the totalitarian depravity of today. Root yourself in that which is biblically true, morally true, factually true, and do not swerve from it. Remember, two and two will always make four. You remember the 19, the end of 1984, when Winston finally gave in to Big Brothers determination of what reality is, even though he really knew it wasn't true. Don't do it. Don't give in. Two and two will always make four. Make sure you know it. Make sure your children know it. All right. I want to talk about what's going on in Memphis right now and what our response should be to that. All right. I want to talk a little bit about what is going on in Memphis. As you guys know, we briefly talked about this last week. A woman by the name of Eliza Fletcher. She was a preschool teacher in Memphis, a mom of two young,

boys, a wife. She was abducted and killed while on her morning run by a man by the by the, by the man by the name of Cleitha Abston Henderson. He has now been charged with her kidnapping and murder. He had been released four years early after serving 20 years of a 24 year sentence in the May 2000 abduction and robbery of attorney Kemper Durand. And you know, last week I said that this, I don't know that this was a result of social justice or soft on crime policies because this man who abducted her had been 16 in 2000 when he committed his crime. He served about 20 years of his 25 year sentence. And so that seems to be a just consequence for the crime that he committed. But after thinking about it and researching it, really it is an issue of being soft on crime.

actually just passed a law that just went into place that says that all violent criminals have to serve 100% of their sentence because that wasn't happening, especially in liberal cities like Memphis. Had this guy not been released, had he been able to or been forced to serve out his full sentence, Eliza would still be alive. Now, maybe there are other problems with our justice system. You could say, well, he just would have murdered someone else later on. Maybe we don't know that. The fact of the matter is, he should have stayed in prison for as long as possible, and Eliza would still be living, and these boys would still have a mother. Now, this is not the only thing that has gone on. This is not the only tragedy that has gone on in Memphis over the past

few days. There was a mom and her one-year-old baby who were abducted from Target and were forced to go to an ATM, get out hundreds of dollars. and actually the kidnappers brought them back to Target. Thank God. And then there was a man going on a shooting spree in Memphis. He actually fled Memphis. I think he made his way to Arkansas that killed several people, including a young woman, including a mom of young children.

And when they took him in, they finally did catch him and arrest him. He grinned for his mugshot. So just really ugly evil stuff. And now the Memphis PD is looking for two black males between the ages of 18 and 21. That's what the description says that videoed themselves saying white folks fixin to not like black people. They're fixing to be marching by the riverside. White Lives Matter. He already shot an old man.

I'm fixing to shoot an old white lady. One of the men was arrested on September 10th. His name is Reginald Williams. And so we've got a lot of problems going on in Memphis. And now people who have lived in Memphis for a long time can tell you that this city has had problems for a while, maybe for decades. But they've just gotten worse and worse. I went to school in South Carolina. It's pretty common for people in Tennessee, Nashville, and in Memphis to go to the school firm in I attended.

So I had a few friends that grew up in Memphis. And they told me then that there were only parts of Memphis that were really considered safe and that a large portion. of the city you just couldn't go to. And Tucker Carlson made the point on his show, which I thought was really good last week when he was talking about the Eliza Flesher tragedy, that there should be nowhere in the United States where you cannot go outside. It shouldn't be commonplace for us to say, oh, you can't walk there without getting murdered or raped. Oh, you can't go on a run at that time of night because you might get kidnapped and killed. That's something that you should be afraid of, perhaps, in a third world country. That is not something that we should fear in the United States

of America. And yet we do. We've just accepted it. We've just decided, oh, yeah, that's fine. That's just how it is. Those are the other side of the tracks. And you just can't go over there because you might get sexually assaulted and you might not make it back alive. We've just accepted that as normal and it shouldn't be. These are the results in a lot of ways of politics. Now, not all evil is the result of politicians. It's not like we can, you know, construct a society in which sin doesn't exist. Sin, of course, is pre-civilizational, but we can't put laws and policies in place that disincentivize people as much as possible to commit these kinds of atrocities. And in a place like Memphis, which has been run by liberals for a very long time. You just don't have those kinds of

safeguards in place. If we look at some of the people who run the city, the mayor, Jim Strickland, he's a Democrat, violent crime has only gotten worse under his watch. If you look at the city council, it has four conservative members, but nine progressive members, the district attorney for Shelby County is Stephen Mulroy. He is a progressive. He previously was on the Shelby County Commission and he championed an animal welfare ordinance. Not saying that's bad, but I mean, just look on the, look at the priority list here. He also ran and won on the promise to implement quote unquote restorative justice practices. Yeah, what that means is soft on crime. And here we go. Here's what he believes this is what's causing all these soft-on-crying policies and social justice policies that

are actually killing people in Democrat-run cities across the country. He said, if we can reduce the systemic discrimination that occurs in our system and reduce the burden on innocent people and restore the public's trust and the fairness of our system in the community, especially the African-American community, will cooperate with law enforcement and provide tips and witnesses and reports crimes. I promise to you that that is not how it's going to go. And that might sound good. That might sound just and fair, but I assure you, it translates into just being soft on crime, letting people out of prison, letting people out of jail, setting low, setting low bales just to try to meet some kind of equity racial quota.

The police chief, he is the past president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives. He testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the matter of police reform. after the George Floyd incident. He was appointed to the racial equity and criminal justice task force. I'm not saying that all of these policies and programs are universally bad. I am saying that obviously the priorities are not straight in the city of Memphis. Crime is being incentivized.

The punishments aren't harsh enough. And the innocent people aren't being protected. And therefore, the pockets of safety. the pockets of safety are getting smaller and smaller. There are some policies, specific policies. Inmates are first eligible for release or parole after 20% of the actual sentence is imposed minus the credit such as good behavior or work credits. That's why this Cleotha guy was out because he got out of prison early for, quote, unquote, good behavior.

And then, as I said, this new law, this truth in sentencing now forces these kinds of inmates to, to serve their 100% of their sentencing, but that wasn't in place when this guy got out of jail and was able to murder this young mom. So here's the deal. My heart hurts for Eliza and the pain that she endured. I don't know. I don't know her, but it's easy as a young mom of two kids myself to see myself reflected in her. And that's not to make it about me. I think that's human nature that is part of healthy empathy. It's easy for me to look at her life and to see my babies reflected in her babies, to see my husband reflected in hers. And therefore, it's not at all difficult to imagine what this family must be going through, to imagine the fear and the pain that

she felt when she was being kidnapped and murdered and how confused and distraught her boys must be. And we should be praying for this family, that the community of God would rally around them, that somehow the gospel would be shown and that God would bring good things out of this because only he can do that. And I pray that this murder, that he would come to know Christ through the gospel and that he and Eliza would be worshiping in heaven together forever. The gospel can do that. God can do that. God's grace can do that. And I hope, I hope that that's what happens. And I'm also, I'm thankful for the Memphis community, how they are coming together. There was kind of a vigil type run where they finished Eliza's run last week in her honor.

And so I'm thankful for how the people of God and how the church and how this community is already showing up. So I'm praying for them. And I am hoping that God is glorified through this. But I also hope that this is a wake up call. for people for a few reasons. And let me just say this, and I know this kind of offense people, but look, social justice kills. It kills. It is not just.

And here's what I mean, is that this aspect of social justice as criminal justice reform, and that typically means a lot of things, but most of it has to do with letting criminals out of jail before they should be out of jail. This is done in the name of racial justice, because, just to put it plainly, there are a disproportionate number of black people in jail. So in order to create so-called equity, which progressives have defined as equal outcomes,

in order to lower the rate of black people in jail and make it closer to the proportion of white people in jail, soft on crime policies are adopted because, unfortunately, there is a disproportionate number of black men that commit violent crimes. It is completely disproportionate to their population side. This is all population size. This is all according to FBI crime data. And also an uncomfortable truth is that according to this data, it is far more likely for the kinds of crimes that we saw against Eliza, black on white crime, to occur than on the other way around.

And the reason why I bring that up is to just show the duplicity of our national narrative about right and wrong and about crime. Her murder is not going to spark a national conversation about white victimization. Like, do you see your favorite Christian influencers talking about the need for racial reconciliation because of what happened to Eliza and doing the work and injustice and systemic oppression? Do you see people trying to put the guilt on other black people because of what happened to Eliza? Did she get a social media post from the people who are always ready to jump on any false narrative that includes a black victim and a white perpetrator?

Have you seen social justice activists saying, oh, white women can't even jog without being hunted down? justice for Eliza? Now, I don't think that we should be seeing those things because I don't think that this crime was connected to race. We have no indication that it was, but we have just as much evidence that her murder had to do with race as we do, say, George Floyd, and yet one was automatically assumed to be about race and the other one, no one even questions. And I'm just trying to get you to see through this example how convoluted our conversations are about right and wrong in this country. Justice and injustice.

How our insistence upon racializing narratives and not racializing others is making us really undiscerning in our judgment, both in what we say and who a lot of people vote for. The truth is, it's trendy to say that a police killing a black man is racist, even when we have no proof showing racial motivations. It's not trendy to say that a black man killing a white woman is racist. That's what it comes down to. It comes down to what is popular and what's not. The people you see posting a black square for George Floyd, but barely saying a peep about this or

Justine Damon, the white woman murdered point blank by a black police officer a few years ago. Simply allow their outrage and compassion to be dictated by whatever social media says is right. And that is not God help us all, all of us. That is not how the people of God should see and respond to the world. The way progressive social justice activists see and respond to the world is not biblical or historically true, as a world categorized by white oppressors and non-white oppressed. I promise you, God does not see Eliza as the oppressor in this murder as oppressed. I promise you this dude is not let off the hook by God because his grandparents might have lived through Jim Crow. I promise God is not weighing Elizas or

anyone's white privilege when he is deciding whether they are a victim or not. God is not debating whether a black person can be racist because racism is technically prejudice plus power and black people don't have any power. That is a ludicrous, deluded way of thinking, and it is not for those who follow Christ. We serve an impartial God. He does not show favoritism to the rich, to the poor, to the mighty, to the weak, to the black, to the white, he judges righteously. He judges perfectly. He judges between good and evil. He does not calculate your melanin or that of your ancestors in his judgments. Righteousness in this case, as with all murder cases, would be the death penalty. Genesis 9 6 before Israel, before civilization, the death penalty is demanded by God for murder

because of a reason that transcends time and culture and is not negated by Jesus' death and resurrection, and that is because we are made in his image. Death penalty should be the punishment for all capital murder. We should be tough on crime. We should do our best to rehabilitate and reintroduce those who can be rehabilitated and reintroduced. I am for, for example, restoring voting rights to people who have. served their sentences and are back in society. I am for doing everything we can to secure employment, even if that is some kind of effective government program. I am not against that.

I am for that. I want people to be rehabilitated, reintroduced, restored when that is possible, when that is feasible, when that is safe. But I am not for soft on crime policies for the sake of so-called superficial equity and deadly social justice. Now, as I said, I hope this man comes to Christ. I hope that he repents. I hope that he's redeemed and that we see him in heaven one day. If Eliza was a believer, and I believe she was, that would mean that Eliza and her murder would be worshipping their Savior together

for all of eternity. Only God can do that. As I said earlier, only the gospel can do that. I mean, right now in heaven, there are murders and their victims fully reconciled to God into each other through Christ, fully forgiven and complete and whole, worshiping together. And that's what God can do. So what I take from this, in addition to just like the personal anguish and sadness that I know this community feels and just feeling for them and praying for them personally for God to minister to them, like I also wants to see something like this and be smart and to think a little bit harder.

to think harder politically, to think harder morally, to think harder, theologically. All of these, all tragedies and all of these tense political moments should cause us to think a little bit more deeply about what is actually true and about what actually works. We've got with us, Father Calvin Robinson again. Thank you so much for joining us. First, just give me your immediate reaction when you found out first that she, that she, that, that the queen was seriously ill, that the family was coming to visit her, and then when you found out that she had actually died? I was on, I believe, Megan Kelly's show at the time of the announcement of the queen being seriously ill.

And we were gathering at that time that this really was seriously ill. It was the end of her life. And it's the most difficult interview I've ever done because I don't get nervous doing interviews, but I was really, really anxious because this is someone that we as a nation see as a grandmother figure, She's the glue, the physical embodiment of our constitution. And we've had her on the throne for over 70 years. We don't know anything else. So it has been an interesting time this week.

And then, of course, later that day, I was in the newsroom, actually, as we heard that the announcement was coming any moment. And I thought, this is it. And I was supposed to be actually, I was supposed to be on air. And I thank God that I wasn't on air at the time, because I'm relatively new to my ministry, and I've assisted at funerals and I've comforted people mourning

for other priests and vicarers, but I haven't actually lost anyone in my own flock yet. And I don't think I would like the responsibility of being the clerical on the news at the time that it was breaking, and that was such a big responsibility that I was thankful that I managed to dodge that, actually. But then later that day,

after I'd had the time to compose my thoughts and to pray on the situation I was then on air and able to just provide a sense of witness, I think, because the reason I've been doing so much media this week in the UK, in the US and Australia, is because everyone's talking about the Queen's legacy. Everyone's talking about the history, the historical importance of having someone reign for so long, etc.

But no one is really talking about the most important factor, and that is Her Majesty's faith, because Her Majesty's faith in Christ was the, rocks the foundations of her leaderships from from her leadership style to being you know a servant leader to actually the the content of her character and what content of her speeches and everything about her she focused on Jesus Christ at the forefront of her life and I think that really showed in the style of monarch that she was and I think that's the most important thing for

people to hear is a time like this especially when we're all suffering a loss is that there is always hope, and that hope is through the resurrection, that the resurrection is through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who is the resurrection under the life? And he said that whoever believes in him, even if you die, you will live. And I think that's a message that people need to hear right now. Yes, I know that people in the U.S. and elsewhere understand that she has been a steady figure through all of the different, I don't know if you want to call them scandals,

but her family has endured over the past few decades, but also the turbulence of the UK. She has remained steadfast and steady and apolitical, but I don't hear, as you said, a lot of people attributing that to her faith in the gospel. And to be honest, that's not really something that I knew. I knew that probably in general she held to a Christian faith, but I had really never heard her talk about Jesus until people like you were. pointing out that in a lot of her speeches, she used him as an example for morality, for as the center of family life. Can you tell us just a little bit more about that? When you're thinking back about her legacy of faith and some of the things that she said, what is it that really stands out to you? Is there a particular speech or a particular quote

that comes from her that you think really sums up her faith? I'll give you a couple of examples. So on the year that her father died in 1952, she assumed the position of the queen, before she was crowned, of course, because it takes a long time for the ceremony to be planned. So in the time between her father's death and her coronation, she delivered a message to the people, and she said, pray for me that God may give me wisdom and strength to carry out the solemn promise I shall be making, and that I may faithfully serve him and you all the days of my life. And that one is probably her first public message as the queen, but also the one that stands out to me is the most important because those words pretty much define her life. She did serve him and us as a people, as a Commonwealth of Nations, but also as Brits, for the entirety of her life. Just two days before she died, she swore in the new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Like she did not stop working at all. And that is a true, that's a person who understands duty and service and obligation.

And I think it's very clear where she got that from, because later on, she said, for me, the teachings of Christ and my own personal accountability before God provide a framework in which I lead my life. So there again, she's backing it up as in this is where she's getting the instructions or the commandments to lead her life. But also the accountability before God. For any leader, I think that's important, but especially for someone as well, high up as the queen. There are very few people in the world who have more accountability than Her Majesty's the Queen. So it's important for her to have some accountability to. And the fact that she recognized that she's accountable to God tells me everything that I need to know about her style. Well, I think that we would all be at our office, more politicians, not that she's a politician, but more leaders and representatives believed that they were going to be held accountable to God and that they weren't just accountable to themselves.

That would solve a whole lot of problems. Now, you are very familiar with the different kinds of criticisms of the queen that have surfaced over the past few days since her death. Obviously, a lot of these criticisms existed before her death, but for some reason, people feel that at the moment of someone's death, that that is just the right time to level some of the worst criticisms against them that you can imagine. So from a lot of people on the left, it's that she was this vicious, imperialist colonizer. that presided over the oppression of black and brown people around the world. And then I'm seeing some criticism from people. I don't know if it's on the right, but I don't know. Some people somewhere on the political spectrum saying, you know,

she was actually not conservative enough or she and her family were representatives of the World Economic Forum. And I don't know. Some shady business went on there. She's not what you think. That's maybe a little bit less. academic, but I'm seeing some of that criticism online. So kind of what's your response to the people saying, no, no, no, the queen wasn't this person that we should be respecting and we shouldn't

even be mourning this death? First, it tells me how crass people can be and how tasteless people can be. The fact that, you know, we have a mourning period for 10 days. And I think that anyone that's got an element of respect would at least let people mourn, even if you don't respect the queen herself. respect other people and their rights to mourn and grieve her loss. But people that can't do that are putting their own political ideologies above their compassion and their humanity. And that shows me that they lack faith. They lack love.

They lack Christ and their lives, to be honest with you. A lot of these people, especially there's Dr. Uju and there's Travis Sinclair. There are a number of people who said some really, really horrible things. I'm talking about high profile people saying things like, I hope she died in excruciating pain. Yes. And just so people know, Dr. Ujou Anya, she is the professor at Carnegie Mellon University, she tweeted, I heard the chief monarch of a thieving, raping, genocidal empires finally dying. And then just to add on to that, may her pain be excruciating. So just so people know, we're not just saying some people, I mean, these are reactions that were said by blue checkmarks professors on Twitter after she died.

Absolutely. And the level of, well, I'm not going to miss my words, the level of evil at play here is horrible to see. Wishing death upon anyone is bad enough, but wishing excruciating pain in their death is just, it's beyond words. I can't contemplate who I would possibly hate enough to feel that way about them. So I put out a message in response saying, you know, you've clearly got hatred in your heart. I pray that you find peace. Whatever's bugging you. I pray you get past it. Something along the way. of those lines. And the response I received as a result of that, I've never seen anything like it. You know, I've seen, I've received abuse in my time on social media, as I'm sure we all have. But the racism, the vitriol. Oh, yes. It comes from African Americans, actually. And I don't understand why the queen is such a figurehead for them. But it seems to be that they are conflating American racial politics with British politics once again. And it doesn't make any sense. These people calling the queen imperial or a colonizer or, you know, that, you know, that's, the wording about raping different cultures and stuff,

it's all historically incorrect. Her Majesty the Queen came to the throne at the height of an empire, and by the end of it, there was no empire left. So she's the biggest decolonizer in history. She left behind a legacy of voluntary community spirits. The Commonwealth of Nations is a group that people join voluntarily, and actually a lot of former French colonies have joined the British Commonwealth of Nations because they see the success of the camaraderie of it.

And it's a great thing. It's a great legacy, not just for trade, but for sports and just family. The true sense of community is a good thing. But to suggest that the queen herself is somehow guilty for the sins of her forbears, again, it's that original sin of whiteness. Just being white makes you guilty of something that your family may or may not have committed in the past. Certain elements of our society need to get over this because it's toxic, it's divisive, and it's not going to help social cohesion.

And her magic of the queen was a unifying figure. She brought us all together. She was a figurehead of our nation, not just our nation, but a lot of people around the world. Canada, Australia, New Zealand, they all have the queen as their head of state too. And she's the thing that brings us together because other nations don't have a physical embodiment. And, you know, I think we've alluded to this before, that in America you've got your flag. That's something you can identify with. That's great, but it's not the same as a living, breathing person who represents you.

And also our politics at the time right now is becoming so divided, you know, between the Democrats, the Republicans or Labor and the Conservatives. And with each new leader, they go slightly further, not necessarily to the right or left, but slightly further apart. And having someone who's apolitical that is the glue holding everything else together, which is what Her Majesty of the Queen was, that's the purpose of a constitutional monarchy. It's a beautiful thing. And tell me what you think about King Charles. Some people are worried about him not being as loyal to the interests of England. And perhaps I think I saw you comment on this kind of being bought by the World Economic Forum. People are concerned about that.

What are your thoughts? I'm also concerned. He is a member or has been a member of the W.F. He is friends with Klaus Schwab. He goes to these events in Davos and mingles with the billionaire. and the global elites and the influencers. I think it's because he is such an avid supporter of the Green agenda. Net zero policies are his blend and butter.

He's been an environmentalist all his life. That is what his main concern is. But I do understand that now that he is king, he appreciates that he's no longer a prince. He's no longer free to have political opinions. He does have to be apolitical. And he's said that he's going to take that role seriously. So I'm going to try and give him the benefit of the doubt as much as you can,

try and be charitable and take him out his word. It is difficult. It really is because we are fighting a global evil. We are fighting a spiritual war. And the W.E.F. has chosen the wrong side in this war. Some would say they are the wrong side of this war. So it's difficult to have a sovereign that is linked to them. But I'm hoping and praying that he's going to separate himself from that. My other major concern with King Charles III is that he talks about this country being a country of multiple faiths

and multiple cultures. And yes, it is. And of course, we have to be tolerant of all different faiths and cultures as best we can. But we have to identify that this is a Christian country. And we have a Christian faith. And they are the things that we need to be defending and promoting. And the king as defender of the faith and supreme governor of the church should be doing that first before addressing any others. Do you have hope that there will ever be another figure as unifying as steady? as Queen Elizabeth. I mean, I personally don't think it's probably going to be King Charles,

but somewhere down the line. Perhaps, but then again, she is a once-in-generation figure. She's broken so many records. I think she has the second longest reign in the world, in the entirety of history. The only person who rained longer than her was King Louis, and that's just because he came to the throne as a baby. So I think we're all going to look back at some point in the future,

think the Elizabethan period was special. It was different. I don't think we'll get anyone like her. Doesn't mean we won't get other good leaders. And I think Prince William is showing signs of potentially being a good king and Kate's or Catherine is looking like a good queen. But they too have some links that concern me. So let's see how they've managed to separate themselves from the political life and focus on service and duty. Yeah, let's hope for the best, for sure. And obviously we continue to pray for our leaders no matter who they are, what their political affiliations are. And God is sovereign, so I do hope the best. I hope the best for the leadership of the UK, just like I do here. Okay, I want to talk a little bit. We don't have too much time,

but because I saw you tweet about this a few weeks ago and because it seems really important, I want to hear, I want to hear a little bit more about the Rotherham. I hope that I'm pronouncing that correctly. Child sexual exploitation scandal, you tweeted on August. 21st, recent report estimates over 1,400 children were sexually abused in Rotherham in the past decade. How has the government awarded Rotherham 1.8 million pounds in the title of UK's first children's capital of culture? So what in the world is happening here? Good question. The problem with Rotherham, and it's not just in Rotherham, there are many cities and towns around the UK, Telford, Rochdale, there are plenty of them where we've had, I'm not going to

The press calls them grooming gang scandals. They are Pakistani Muslim gang rapists. And what they do is they take young white girls and they rape them and pass them around and use them as a novelty. And it is cultural. It is disgusting. But the worst thing about it is that it's been swept under the rug by the police who've questioned these girls and said, you know, is this a lifestyle choice?

Are you a child prostitute? As if that's a thing? Did you consent? a child cannot consent to sex. By definition, it is rape. So this is from the police. And then we've got the council above the police covering it up. We've got the counsellors, the safeguarding people who are supposed to be looking out for young girls covering it up. And then it goes all the way up to the government, the Labour government and the Conservative government, both covering it up. And it seems to me that the main issue was that they were petrified that people would find out that these are

Pakistani Muslims that are committing these atrocities because they don't want a race war in this country. So for the sake of diversity, they've sacrificed the lives of young white girls, young British white girls. And I think it's a disgusting evil that needs to be talked about more, but even the press is afraid of touching this topic, which is why I talk by it as much as I can. But even I'm having trouble raising this subject, A, because I'm finding it difficult to get people to talk about it, but B, because people are saying, how dare you address it? this issue when you're a member of the clergy, have you seen what the church has done in history? And it's like, well, yes, I have. That's also evil. Any rape of children is evil. Any abuse of

children is evil. They all need to be addressed. However, the scandals in the church have had so much attention because people want to tear down the church. They've had a lot of attention. These young girls in Rotherham, Telford, Rochdale, etc., have had no publicity because people don't want to talk about. That's why I'm talking about this issue in particular. Yes, they are more concerned with being called Islamophobic than they are being complicit in child rape. And that's when you know that we have completely subverted morality. And we have completely messed up our priorities when it is worse to be perceived as a bigot than it is to allow and enable the rape of children. And kind of all of this conversation that we're talking about, some of the criticisms of the queen and then this cover-up of this.

rape because these men are Muslim. I mean, it goes back to this worldview in which all white people are oppressors, all non-white people are oppressed, and therefore any scenario in which a non-white person happens to be perpetrating something evil against a white person, we're supposed to brush it under the rock because it's impossible, I guess, for a non-white person to be an oppressor. And that just goes to show how toxic and how dangerous and even how deadly this worldview can be and how unjust it can be because it disallows us from being able to see things as they are. It disallows us from being able to see good and evil as they really exist. Absolutely. And I'm mixed race. So I've got a white parent and a black parent and I've seen them both be the victims

of racism throughout my life. And I've been a victim of racism from both white people and black people. In fact, at the moment in my adult life, it's more. more often than not black people who are racist towards me. So I can attest to the fact that anyone can be racist and anyone can be the victim of racism. And I cannot say that enough, because this idea that only white people are racist and white people are naturally oppressors,

and only black people are the victims of racism, and therefore they have to live in this mentality of victimhood is not helpful for anyone. It's not helpful to white people, it's not helpful to black people. Black people are the people keeping other black people down with this mentality. If you tell someone often enough that they are a victim, they will start to believe it.

If you tell them often enough, that they will never achieve anything in life, they will start to believe it. And what's worse than that is that when a black person achieves success, other black people try to drag them down by calling them white or saying they are somehow a traitor, an Uncle Tom, all these, a coup and all of these horrible things, as if success is somehow a trait of whiteness. And they don't see the irony of their ways,

these so-called racial justice warriors or actual racial grievance peddlers. That's what they're doing, and it's disgusting, and it's breaking down our way of life. But the problem is I don't see how we fight back because white people can't stand up and say, actually, I'm okay, I feel okay being white because they'll be seen as, you know, oppressors and white superiority. And black people or mixed people like myself

can't stand up and say, well, actually, there's nothing wrong being white or brown or whatever. It doesn't matter because we'll be accused of being Coons, Uncle Tom's and race traitors. So there is no way to win this. Yeah. Well, I agree with you that a lot of people are afraid of just standing up and saying,

you know what, I don't care with you. think of me, I don't care what you call me, it is what it is. But the more people that do, the more you can kind of push those people to the margins. I mean, I've seen what you've been called. I've seen what you've been called simply for defending the queen. I have some of the tweets in this document. I can't even read them because they're so awful simply because you have a particular opinion, you are considered some kind of traitor in the same way that I'm considered a traitor for not being for abortion. I'm a traitor to my gender. These people are extremely totalitarian and authoritarian when it comes to opinions.

And that's why I'm thankful for you. I'm thankful for, I'm thankful that you do push back against the homogene and that you do push back against those who say that you're not allowed to have that opinion. One final thing. What are your thoughts on Liz Trust? Good, bad? I'm holding my judgment. She's far too liberal for me. But we have a strong conservative government with a strong majority.

So it would be possible for her to get a lot done. And I think she wants to prove herself. So I'm hoping that she'll use that to have advantage and push through a load of conservative policies to say, look, I was a Tory and I did get some stuff done. So I'm hoping and pray and she'll get rid of all this wokeness. And she'll take us back to good old-fashioned British values. But we'll wait and see. I pray so.

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