Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 681 | Sexual Fetish or Transgender? & Big Win for Virginia Parents | Guest: Jennifer Lahl

Episode Date: September 20, 2022

Today we're starting off with a hilarious clip of CNN's Don Lemon getting schooled on reparations by royal commentator Hilary Fordwich, and we discuss why the idea of reparations is based on a collectivist mentality and has no grounding in Christian theology. Then, we look at the story of an Ontario shop teacher who came to school with gigantic prosthetic breasts on and how his school district released a statement in support of the teacher's "identity." We also talk about some good news coming from Virginia as Governor Glenn Youngkin has revised the Model Policies for the Treatment of Transgender Students in Virginia public schools, empowering parents to be in control again. We talk about why this is yet another example of why your vote matters. Then, we're joined by president of the Center for Bioethics and Culture and documentary filmmaker Jennifer Lahl, to discuss her new film, "The Detransition Diaries: Saving Our Sisters," and to talk about some of the real, scary factors that often play into young girls wanting to "transition." --- Timecodes: [1:03] New sticker! [1:57] Don Lemon gets schooled on air [13:15] Trans teacher wear prosthetic breasts to school [22:15] Gov. Glenn Youngkin's new school policies on gender [36:33] Intro to The Detransition Diaries: Saving Our Sisters [38:11] Interview with Jennifer Lahl --- Today's Sponsors: Genucel — go to genucel.com/ALLIE and use code "ALLIE" at checkout for a special discount. Carly Jean Los Angeles — use promo code 'ALLIEB' to save 20% off your first order at CarlyJeanLosAngeles.com! Birch Gold — protect your future with gold. Text 'ALLIE' to 989898 for a free, zero obligation info kit on diversifying and protecting your savings with gold. PublicSq. — download the PublicSq app from the App Store or Google Play, create a free account, and begin your search for freedom-loving businesses! --- Show Links: Reduxx: "Ontario High School Teacher Seen Wearing Massive Prosthetic Bust to Class" https://reduxx.info/ontario-high-school-teacher-seen-wearing-massive-prosthetic-bust-to-teach/ Fox 5: "Gov. Youngkin introduces new model policy for Virginia transgender students" https://www.fox5dc.com/news/gov-youngkin-introduces-new-model-policy-for-virginia-transgender-students NBC 4: "Virginia Governor Seeks New Transgender Student Policies" https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/virginia-releases-new-school-guidelines-for-lgbtq-students/3159565/?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_DCBrand --- Get your "Question Everything" sticker here! --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV

or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Well, you probably don't want to watch or listen to this episode with your kids. Unfortunately, the transgender activists are at it again. This time there is a teacher outside of Toronto who is wearing something really inappropriate, I guess to try to make a point about his so-called gender identity. We're going to talk about that, and we're also going to discuss some good news coming out of the state of Virginia, not just when it comes to gender ideology, but also when it comes to parents' rights. Then we will talk to my friend Jennifer Law about her new documentary, The D Transition Diaries. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.

Go to Good Ranchers.com slash alley. that's good ranchers.com slash alley. All right, before we get into all of the crazy gender madness, I want to talk about two things. First and foremost, you see my sticker, my new sticker, on the back of my laptop. It says question everything. And it has a T-Rex with an American flag landing on the moon.

And if you have no idea what I'm talking about, or if you have no idea why we created this sticker, then you need to go back and listen to episode 670. 670. You need to go listen to episode 670 because we talked about this and it made some people very, very mad. And so we decided to make a sticker out of it. So you can get it.

We'll link it in the description of this episode. And you can buy it for yourself. It's just five bucks and it's really fun. And finally, I have this empty space. on my laptop filled. It's been really bothering me for a long time. And we got a couple other items coming down the pipeline too. Also, I saw this clip this morning. It's from the CNN, Don Lemon Show, which has actually been canceled. He's moving to the morning now, I think, with a couple co-hosts. But he interviewed this woman named Hillary Fordwich. She is a royal commentator, a business development

leader. I don't really know what that means. But Don Lemon thought that he was raising, I guess, a compelling question about slavery and colonialism, reparations being paid by the royal family to the descendants of those who suffered from these things. And her response is just incredible. Here it is. And then you have those who are asking for reparations, for colonialism and they're wondering, you know, $100 billion, $24 billion here and there, $500 million there, some people want to be paid back and members of the public are wondering, why are we suffering when you are, you know, you have all of this vast wealth? Those are legitimate concerns. Well, I think you're right about reparations in terms of if people want it, though,

what they need to do is you always need to go back to the beginning of a supply chain. Where was the beginning of the supply chain? That was in Africa. And when, that crossed the entire world when the slavery was taking place, which was the first nation in the world that abolished slavery? The first nation in the world to abolish it. It was started by William Wilberforce was the British. In Great Britain, they abolished slavery. Two thousand naval men died on the high seas trying to stop slavery. Why? Because the African kings were rounding up their own people. They had them on cages waiting in the beaches. No one was running into Africa to get them. And I think you're totally right. If reparations need to be paid,

we need to go right back to the beginning of that supply chain and say who was rounding up their own people and having them handcuffing pages. Absolutely. That's where they should start. And maybe, I don't know, the descendants of those families where they died in the high seas, trying to stop the slavery that those families should receive something too, I think, at the same time. It's an interesting discussion, Hillary. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. We'll continue to discuss in the future. I don't think the Don Lemon was expecting that kind of answer. I mean, she was just, so confident. And I don't think that his brain saw exactly where she was going, but I thought that that was a brilliant answer. And I'm so glad that she brought up William Wilberforce, who was an

amazing ambassador for the gospel, an incredible and bold Christian. He said this. He said, God Almighty has set before me two great objects, the suppression of the slave trade, and the reformation of manners. And that's what he set out to do throughout his life. There were other countries who abolished slavery around the time that Britain did. But really, William Wilberforce was on the front lines of this. He was at the helm. He was the one that was pushing the abolition of slavery. And his motivation for it wasn't primarily political. It was spiritual. It was a gospel motivation because he believed he knew that all people are made in the image of God. He rejected the ideology that secular progressive is hold today,

which is that we are just clumps of cells. We're just accidental balls of matter. We're basically just bodies. We are self-creating, self-declaring, self-identifying. No, he believed, he knew that we were made by God and made in his image and given innate worth. and therefore the objectification that is inherent in chattel slavery is wrong. And so he set out to persuade his fellow countrymen to abolish slavery.

And it was an uphill battle. He was in the minority for most of history. This is something that Thomas Soul writes about. For most of history, slavery was not a moral question. It just was. It was just something that was a part of life. Now slavery looked different, different times in different cultures. very often slavery in the ancient world was a way to get out of debt. You were kind of considered

a bond servant. And then, of course, that is different from the kind of slavery that was practiced in places like Britain or the United States, which was really just chattel slavery. It wasn't to pay off any debt. And yet slavery really wasn't a spiritual question. It really wasn't a moral question that a whole lot of people were asking for most of history. And Christianity changed that. The morality of Christianity slowly and overtime revolutionized, at least in the Western world, what people thought about human beings, what people thought about the vulnerable and what people thought about right and wrong. When Christianity came on the scene in pagan Greece and Rome, there was no thought to the inherent worth of human beings. The

protected class of women and children, it was only the adult free male who was seen as having any value because he was the only one who could really produce anything for society. Slaves, the elderly women, children were all subjugated in these ancient societies. And Christianity came along and through its theology that all people are made in the image of God, through its gospel that says we are all equally dead in sin apart from Christ and equally alive in Christ by grace through faith in Him revolutionized how people thought about the world, how people thought about themselves, and how people thought about their fellow human beings. And governments conformed to that Christian idea of not just inherent worth, but inherent human rights.

the idea of human rights because we are human, because we are different than animals, because we are distinct from plants, because we are inherently valuable, is based on Christian theology. Like you'll notice why most of the charities, most of the hospitals, even most of the universities, and most institutions that have fought for true human rights were founded by Christians. had at one point a Christian mission. And it's obvious what happens when you get away from that worldview. It's obvious what happens when you get away from that founding mission. The idea of humanity, what we are, what we are worth deteriorates. It's also worth noting that there are many, many countries in the world today that do not have that view of human beings who still practice

slavery and who still subjugate human beings, either based on their gender, based on their class. Like in Africa today, there is still a slave trait. And so those who say that only America or only Britain has to pay reparations, it's not logical because, as this guest pointed out, it doesn't go all the way to the supply chain. and it ignores the reality that slavery is still practiced in many ways and in many countries legally to this day. But that's what the brain does on CRT. CRT in its crudest form is black oppressed, white oppressor. And if that is the lens through which you see the world, then it is impossible to say that Africans could be on the hook for part of the slave trade or that there are people who are

not white, who were at the very least complicit in the oppression of other black human beings. And yet the history of the world is messy. It is not broken down in that black, white dichotomy. The history of the world is a history of being enslaved and being enslavers, of being oppressed, of being oppressors, of being colonizers, of being colonized, of being the conquered and of the one, doing the conquering. That is the history of the world. That is the history of every people group, of every skin color, of every ethnicity, of every nationality. As she pointed out, if we want to start calculating who's getting reparations, everyone is going to be owed something. But guess what? Guess what? The gospel frees us from that complicated, illogical mess of trying to figure out who

owes us what, based on the sins of people who may have looked like us at some point in history in the same geographical region that we currently live in. It's illogical. It's based on a collectivist mentality that really has no grounding in reality and certainly has no grounding in Christian theology. So that was longer. That was more of a response than I anticipated giving. but this Hillary Fordwich lady gave such a good point. I hope that gives something to Don Lamont to chew on for a little bit. All right. Speaking of being made in the image of God and being detached from that reality,

from that truth leading to us seeing the world and seeing ourselves and seeing our fellow human beings in a way that is wrong, that is unhealthy, let us talk about the gender madness that continues to play out in absolutely ludicrous and very harmful ways in our society. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself.

On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts.

I hope you'll join us. All right. I want to talk about this crazy story that I saw circulating on Twitter over the weekend. It's a teacher in the Toronto area who is wearing, and this is, let me just say, like this is probably not good. to listen to or to watch with your kids around because unfortunately this is a very creepy and perverse and just a strange story that you probably just don't want them hearing about or seeing but it is a teacher a man all right a man wearing these massive fake boobs all right and we're not just talking about any massive fake boobs like we are talking about massive fake boobs that um how do I say

this politely did not have a bra on. And so we're going to play. There's no sound in this clip, but we're going to play a little clip. And just so you can see that I'm not making this up, it's a very brief clip just for the purpose of evidence. Here it is. Yep. Okay. So you see that. And I don't know. He's teaching shop class. He's got like a saw trying to cut a piece of wood. All right. He's wearing a skirt. He's got a terrible wig on, not convincing at all. And he has somehow, I mean, he looks absolutely ridiculous. This is why it is so hard to tell the difference between satire and reality. And this is what I said on Twitter, and I absolutely believe that this is true, that this is a form of sexual harassment. He is around a bunch of young

teenage boys wearing these prosthetic breasts, not because he actually thinks that he is a woman, but because he has a fetish, because he is getting off on this. because he likes the idea of these little boys gawking at his breasts. That's how perverse this is. And if you have listened to my interview with Genevieve Glock, if you have not, I highly recommend doing so and I'm about to have her back on the program. She has, through her research and through her journalism, uncovered the roots of this ideology and the kind of men in power who are pushing this kind of thing.

And it comes from a place not of empathy, not of affirmation, not of compassion and understanding, but a place for men from sexual perversion. I'm not saying that all men who truly struggle with gender dysphoria have what is called autogynophilia. And that is where you get turned on by, in their case, dressing up like a woman. I'm not saying that for everyone who struggles with gender confusion as a man, that it is coming from a place of sexual perversion. But the ideology, the activists, the bulk of this movement, what is pushing this Ford, it absolutely does come from a place of fetishism. It comes from different forms of now popularized pornography where men are sissified for the purpose of sexual pleasure.

There is also an inextricable relationship with pedophilia going on here. it's not a coincidence that you keep hearing these stories of men who like to dress up as sexualized women and dance in front of children or walk around in front of young men. There's nothing innocent about that. Like there's no innocuous reason for a man to want to dress up and drag clothes, in fake boobs, in titty tassels, and in thongs and get dollar bills from young children. like there's no there's no good justification for that in the same the same goes for this instance and in case you think that this is just some big joke that conservatives are blowing out of proportion

that we shouldn't really care about the high school which is oakville trafalgar high school outside Toronto has come out now saying oh well you know this is uh this is just something that happens. We accept gender identity. We want to be accepting. Redux magazine says this, that the teacher is transgender, so called, and pre-transitioning was known to students and faculty as male and went by a male name. The man allegedly began identifying his woman last year. Imagine that you live your life for however long, 40 years, and all of a sudden you want to become a woman and not just like an actual woman, but someone with like boobs, the size of Saturn. The kids here most definitely don't think it's normal, but realistically, we can't say anything. One student said on Twitter, last year the teacher was a man. I don't think

the school can fire him. Think about the discomfort and the confusion that you are purposely putting on children here, not to mention the sexualization that is so obviously intended in him wearing something like this. In October 2021, this high school, released guidelines, the Houghton District School Board released guidelines regarding so-called gender identity and gender expressions, says school staff have to use preferred pronouns. They have to allow students to use the change room that is most gender affirming. So you see how something that is a common thread in this movement is that everyone else's safety and comfort always has to be sacrificed for the delusions. of the people who say that they're the opposite gender. Even ridiculous ones like this. Like this person's not trying to be subtle. This person's not just saying, oh, you know, like this just makes me more comfortable.

If I can wear some nail polish or some lipstick. No, he is trying to be as overt about this as possible. This person just wants attention because he has a sexual predation fetish going on here. And if we are not willing to call this what it is, for the sake of children, for their minds and their eyes and their hearts, then like, what is your line? Like if you were someone, especially if you call yourself a Christian and you see this and you're like, oh, well, it's none of my business. I should just affirm this. Let's just have empathy for this person. What is your line? Like, what's your boundary? At what point do you say, okay, yeah, I'm going to

probably start speaking up about this. Or, yeah, I think that this is a problem. Like, what is it? Now that you have seen, if you're paying attention at all, grown men on a regular basis in different cities in this country, dancing almost naked and front of young children for money, now that you have seen that children's hospitals are regularly cutting off the healthy breasts of minors, the healthy penises of minors, leaving them with irreversible damage. all of this happening legally, now that you know all of that, are you willing to admit that maybe this is a problem in unconditional affirmation and superficial, unhealthy, dangerous forms of empathy maybe are not the answer? Like, are you willing to wake up to this reality?

Because look, children are being placed on the altar of this. It's not just some conservative culture of war that we're blowing out of proportion. I wish to God that that was the case. I wish that this weren't happening. But unfortunately it is. Unfortunately, our children are a victim of it. And the high school said that this does not violate the dress coats. And that they are simply trying to create a community that is committed to, they said,

establishing and maintaining a safe, caring, inclusive, equitable, and welcoming learning and working environment for all students and staff. That was their response to this ridiculous man. wearing these fake breasts. What they actually mean is that everyone has to sacrifice having a welcoming and healthy learning and working environment so this person isn't offended. That's what they're actually saying. That's how much we care about children in this world in today's society. That's how much we care about their well-being, that we are prioritizing the fetishes of perverted grown men over the safety and security and well-being of adolescents.

That's where we are. It's really disgusting and it's really disturbing. And I wish parents in this area, I know Canada, I mean, there's a lot of you from Canada and I love you so much and you're so strong and you've stood so strong over the past couple of years especially. But I think even you would agree. In some cases, Canada just seems too far gone. But I wish, I hope that there are some parents in this area who will stand up and say no, because there is strength in numbers. Things can absolutely change. And you know one piece of evidence that things can change for the better? Glenn Yonkin, the governor of Virginia.

He has made an amazing move when it comes to the transgender student policies in the state of Virginia. And his election was the result of a number of parents standing up and saying a number of parents standing up and saying, off. I'm tired of this going on in our public school system. I'm tired of pornography. I'm tired of critical race theory. I'm tired of this left wing indoctrination, the driving the wedge between parents and children. I'm tired of it. We are going to vote for a party that is not in bed with the corrupt teachers union. And Glenn Yonkin and underdog won the gubernatorial race in Virginia. People said that that would never happen. And it did. And now he is enacting good policies that are going to protect parental rights and protect children. So praise God for that. And I am going to explain to you the

details of those things in just one second. All right. Let me tell you about this awesome, awesome change by Governor Yonkin of Virginia. So this is according to NBC and Fox 5. NBC obviously not happy about this. Fox 5 a little more neutral in their reporting. So Virginia Governor Glenn Yonkin on Friday update. model policies regarding the treatment of transgender students. The Virginia Department of Education updated its 2021 model policies for the treatment of the students, noting that the guidelines under the previous administration disregarded the rights of parents. So under the Democrat administration and ignored other legal and constitutional principles that

significantly impact how schools educate students, including transgender students. So that's a little troubling that that even existed, not surprising, based on how the school boards it's been acting in Virginia, but that came from a Democrat-controlled Department of Education, which is and has been for a long time seeking to undermine the rights of parents and to make sure that the primary mentor and caretaker for students is the public education system. Virginia's Department of Education under Yonkin has now listed, first, under the guiding principal section, that, quote, parents have the right to make decisions with respect to their children and that the policies shall be drafted to safeguard parents' rights with respect to their

child and to facilitate the exercise of those rights. The policies go on to cite the 14th Amendment in the Constitution, which gives parents a fundamental right to direct the upbringing and education of their children. The new model policies say students' participation in certain school programming and use of school facilities, like bathrooms or locker rooms, should be based on their sex with modifications offered only to the extent required under federal law. The policies also say that students who are minors must be referred to by the name and pronouns in their official records unless a parent approves the use of something else.

And so obviously, I would like for kids to never be referred to as anything other than what their sex is. But in this case, they are saying, look, the parent has to know. And if you don't know, this is a huge problem across the board of not just individuals, teachers, but even school systems saying that they are going to allow a child to go by a different name, to go by a different gender, to go by different pronouns. And the school or the teacher will ask the students, is it okay for me to call you by this name and pronouns in front of your parents? If the child says, no, please don't, then these schools will keep it a secret from their parents.

And you see the idea that is within that kind of practice. And that is that is that, parents are a threat, that parents are a real danger to their kids in that these teachers and that this school, that they know better, that they love the kids better, that they are better at seeking the interest of this child, which is always just unconditional affirmation of who the child declares that they are. So the parent who has known that child from birth, who was there when they either adopted that child or when the doctor laid that child on their chest, who knows everything about that child from their favorite food, from their favorite memory, who has woken up countless times in the middle of the night to comfort that scared child,

who knows their child's strengths and weaknesses, hopes, and dreams, who loves that child more than life itself would die a thousand death for that child. Under previous policies, the Virginia Department of Education said, No, that parent doesn't have authority. The public school system does. The state does. And that is true in many, many states across the country. And that is wrong. That is morally wrong. Obviously, as Christians, we know that's theologically wrong. And yes, of course, there are cases in which the state and public schools need to step in when there is legitimate abuse, when there is legitimate fear of abuse and mistreatment by the parents. These schools are already, these teachers are already mandatory reporters.

In most states, by law, they are required to say if they believe that that child is actually being abused or neglected or mistreated at home. That is something that they are legally bound to do. So in all of these cases, when you hear that the teachers are keeping secret the pronouns of these kids from their parents, it's not actually because they think these parents are abusive. they would have already reported them. It's because they want to drive a wedge between a parent and child. Of course. That's demonic.

That is satanic. That's what the dark powers that be have been trying to do since the beginning of time. If you look at the history of communism, for example, in the 20th century, or even fascism, any kind of totalitarianism. One of the first orders of business that the state does is try to recruit child's and take them away from the care and from the mentorship of their parents. I mean, George Orwell even writes about this in 1984. How Big Brother would turn children from their parents and the children would become spies against their parents and turn them in to the secret police if their parents committed

any thought crime or any infraction. And so this is out of the left-wing playbook. This is out of the totalitarian playbook. and always has, it always has been. We have talked about the consequences of this, how children who are separated from their parents and then are pushed into transition by school counselors, by school administrators, they often become, if not just completely depressed, suicidal. They're taken out of their home.

They're putting in different kind of shelters. They often end up homeless. They're not better off without their parents, without the people who care for them. It's actually the exact. opposite of what these trans activists say that, oh, if parents don't affirm their child and allow them to go on hormones and puberty blockers and get double mesactomies and these kids are going to commit suicide. No, it's actually, part of it is actually the breakdown of relationships and the lack of true love that often happens when this ideology breaks parents apart and separates children

from their parents that causes them so much mental distress in isolation. So I'm so glad that Governor Yonkin and his Department of Education is doing this, this really will save lives. It'll save families. It'll save a lot of anxiety in parents, but it really will save the lives of young people as well. Schools may not encourage teachers to conceal information about a student's gender from his or her parents. Parents must be given an opportunity to object before counseling services pertaining to gender or offered.

Praise God. The 2022 policies are designed to provide clear, accurate, and useful guidance to Virginia school boards that align with statutory provisions and took into account 9,000 public comments according to the Virginia Department of Education. Oh, isn't this, what's it called, democracy? Hmm. I thought that left has said that they like that. Every local school board is required to adopt policies. that are consistent with these new 2022 model policies. The guidance is subject to 30-day public comment period that opens later this month. You know, praise God. It really matters who you vote for. I mean, this is a result of two things that we say so much. It's a result of parents raising a respectful ruckus for the things that matter trying to get him elected. That is translating into real policy change that is really going to positively impact people.

And it's also people recognizing that politics matter, because policy matters because people matter. Politics affects policy, policy affects people. And while the Republican Party is so far from perfect and I just wish there were more Republicans who would actually just do something who would stand up and push back and not be so cowardly and not give in

on every social and cultural issue because they think it's too divisive and they're afraid of the LGBTQ lobbyists that are going to go against them, while I wish that the GOP was more conservative and more courageous, and more clear, there are some good ones out there. And I really have a hard time understanding why anyone at this point,

knowing the ideology of each platform, would vote Democrat. Now, I understand if you completely agree with the ideology, if you're like, yeah, parents should be secondary and authority to the state and to teachers. Yeah, we should be transing our kids. Like, if that's your idea, then, yeah, I guess I understand. If you're like, yeah, you know, I think that mass homelessness and increase crime and murder, like what's happening in Illinois with their new bill or new law, which is actually going to turn the state into basically the purge. What's happening in California,

what's happening in Austin, what's happening in Denver, what's happening in Oregon and Washington with homelessness and crime, just absolutely rampant. I guess if you think that that's good, if you think that record inflation is good, if you think calling all of your political opponents, fascist and threat to the threat to the republic is good. If you think unfettered abortion paid for by the taxpayer is good. Like if you think all those things are good,

I understand why you would vote Democrat, more power to you. But if you don't, I can't say that I comprehend your vote. I can't say that I comprehend at this point with as much as we know now how you could vote Democrat. Are you still really under the impression

that this is about democracy or something like that? come on it's time for us to wake up it's time for us to wake up and we will we will welcome you with open arms all right now i've got an amazing conversation for you a quick conversation um with our friend jennifer lull you know jennifer because she's been on twice and you love every time i interview her founder and president of the center for bioethics and culture network she's a former pediatric critical carer and hospital administrator we have talked to her in the past about the ethics of things like IVF and like surrogacy.

She has done a lot of work in this area. Go back, listen to those previous interviews if you haven't already. And she has just produced an amazing documentary called The D Transition Diaries, Saving Our Sisters. It's so compelling. And I just want to hear you or I just want you to hear her talk about it. And then I want you to go immediately and download it and watch it with all of your friends and family. Okay. Before we start talking.

Looking to Jennifer, let me play you a short trailer of her documentary. From when I was very young, around five years old, I felt like I was limited in what I could do in life as a girl or as a woman. By the time I was about 13, I was starting to feel really depressed. I started self-harming. I started developing an eating disorder. I was introduced to a belief system. If you don't fit, in, that's a sign that you're trans. If you don't like your body, then that's a sign that you're trans. And if you transition, all of these problems will be fixed. When I was 22, I started injecting testosterone into my body so that I could medically transition from female to male.

Pretty much as soon as I turned 18, I made an appointment. I went to Planned Parenthood. One appointment took about an hour. I called Planned Parenthood. We had about a 30-minute phone. conversation and then I was prescribed testosterone over the phone. I was saying stuff like oh I think that I'm going to be so much happier after I transition like I'm really depressed now and I and I'm suicidal but everything is going to be so much better after I transition I wanted people to know that there is life after detransition even if you've made serious physical changes.

Woman women mother mom girls girls daughter to those people the peddlers of transgender ideology, these are not your words to give away. Jennifer, welcome back. Thank you so much for joining us this time. Yeah, this time we're talking about the detransition Diaries. You had your big launch last night. Tell us about it. What is this documentary about? Yeah, well, we did. We went live yesterday, so we actually rented a movie theater, which is great because the theaters were closed for so long with COVID. So it was nice to see a film on the big screen. And, a big live audience and we didn't have any protesters, which was, gosh, surely an answer to prayer because we were expecting to have all kinds of people screaming on the street.

Yes. But it was a good energy, a well-engaged audience. I was surprised by how many people said they actually teared up and how emotional the film was, which I agree it is. But the D-Transition Diaries is a look at three women who thought that they were born in the wrong body. and thought, were told that and felt that if they changed their sex and became men, that that would solve all their problems and make all their gender dysphoria and their

depression and their body image problems go away. Of course, they only found out that it didn't help. And in fact, it actually made things quite worse in some of their cases. So it's a beautiful story of, you know, three firsthand account, you know, women telling their story. And through the whole editing and scripting process, people kept asking me, do you have a favorite in the film? And I actually just fell in love with all three of these women. They're dynamic. They're bold and courageous.

They're sweet and kind. They're articulate. They don't come across as mean or angry or bitter. They come across as very trustworthy. And I just felt honored to be able to hold their stories and let the world. sort of hear their stories. And then the film also was released yesterday on demand on our Vimeo channel. So people who missed the live theater audience can go to our Vimeo channel and watch the film.

Good. And we'll definitely link that in the description, both on YouTube and on the listening side of things so people can easily click it. And obviously, we want people to go watch this for themselves. So I don't want to give too much away. But when you were talking to these women, what was one common thread that you saw maybe early on in their lives that seemed to be an indication that things weren't going the way that they should at least as far as their mental health goes. Was it their upbringing? Was it a

traumatic event? Was it involvement in social media forums? What did you find there? Yeah, I mean, again, just to remind your audience who don't know me, I did work in clinical nursing for many, many years. So what was sort of scandalous and appalling to me was the fact that these women did all have various troubling backgrounds that should have been red flags before doctors and therapists started putting them on what I call the superhighway to transgender medicine or affirmation care. So yeah, one woman experienced a significant loss as a young girl, a death of somebody close to her. And the family that she grew up and was kind of a family that didn't talk about things that sort of swept things under the rug.

You know, they all had those awkward moments as young girls where they felt uncomfortable in their body. They didn't like their body. They thought they were fat and they were ugly. They didn't fit in. They wished that they could be boys because boys seemed to have such an easier road, if you will. So many, you know, eating disorders was a common theme with a couple of the girls.

And, you know, they weren't. But I want to put that in the sense of this. These are oftentimes very normal things that young people go through. So it wasn't like they needed to be institutionalized. Yeah. They needed counseling. They need therapy. But they didn't need hormones and surgeries.

Right. And that's the thing is that, and you know, you've talked about this a lot. Abigail Schreier has talked about this a lot that young girls, I mean, adolescents in general, but especially young girls, you do go through. a period when you are going through puberty or just during those teenage years where it's really hard sometimes to be in your own body. It's really hard to be a girl. I talked to a detransitioner a few weeks ago. Her name was, her name was Sophie and she was talking about, we talked about how one aspect of her wanting to quote unquote become a boy or a man was to try to get rid of the

vulnerability that she saw as inherent in womanhood, that she just was very uncomfortable with as her body changed and as she grew up with being sexualized, with being objectified, with being looked at or gawked at or whistled at or whatever it is. And she felt that, well, if I become more masculine first, you know, just dressing in a masculine way, but then actually trying to identify as a man, getting top. surgery going on hormones, then I won't be prey anymore. Then I won't be vulnerable. And while I have never struggled with any kind of gender confusion, I understand that mentality. I understand that fear. I understand the vulnerability that is innate in femininity and that is innate in womanhood

that really, you know, men can't fully comprehend. But instead of showing complete, passion to these young women and saying, hey, this is normal and here's how we kind of deal with these feelings, they're being pushed. And as you have mentioned before, into being slaves to the medical industrial complex that's just pushing them on this, as you said, this highway to transition. Yeah. And one of the young women in the film actually did have that kind of experience as a little girl. She had a little neighborhood boy playmate who was way too wise or, unwise for his young years and, you know, would actually say, you know, we should kiss and we should take our clothes off and do things like that, which made her feel very uncomfortable as a, you know,

younger than 10 year old little girl, as you can imagine. And children don't really know how to handle those kind of things other than they feel at risk. They feel, they feel afraid. So I remember as a young nurse, you know, it was back in the day before we had all this sexual harassment stuff in the workplace. And, you know, I had doctors. that would be very inappropriate with me. I oftentimes, when I would get off work at the hospital, midnight at night, and had to walk out to a dark parking lot to get to my car, would feel like, you know, really afraid. I don't think men sort of have that kind of, you know, category that they don't walk out at night to their car in the dark and feel like, oh, my gosh, am I going to get attacked?

Yeah, right. And so I think that we're just kind of categorizing all of these very normal feelings, or maybe sometimes they're abnormal because some of these girls, they don't just have the normal discomfort that comes with adolescents and growing up, but they also have serious trauma in their past, or they have serious depression, serious anxiety. Sometimes they're on the autism spectrum. And even that, all of that is kind of being in some cases shove to the side and just kind of placed under this umbrella while you're probably just transgender. And then what's being found is that transitioning is not actually helping the mental health of these young girls. Is that what the women that you interviewed found as well?

Yeah, they kept thinking that, you know, there was flags along the way in their steps in their transition. You know, when they went on to testosterone and this, all the negative effects of testosterone, when one of the women in the film actually moved forward with the double mastectomy and had her breasts removed. But they tell themselves that because they have this dysphoria, this is part of what I need to do to get rid of this dysphoria. So when they have negative symptoms of testosterone, they go, but that bright future is just around the corner. If I have to stay on this path. And maybe I feel regret right now, but tomorrow will be better. You know, we've all been in situations in our life where things are really going bad and we just kind of go, tomorrow will be better.

Tomorrow will be better. And it was only until, you know, in Katz, Kat is one of the women in the film who's a beautiful singer. She actually produced and performs an original song in the film. You know, when the testosterone just totally destroyed her singing voice that jarred her enough to take, you know, to take the steps back and stop taking the testosterone. And she canceled her double mastectomy surgery. It was when Grace went on a website and heard of another transition person who kept talking about no matter what they did with their body in surgeries and corrections and therapies and drugs. they found something else to be unhappy with. And she realized at that point there will be no bottom to this.

I will, even if I have now the phalloplasty surgery, then I will have something else. She talks about how I still have wide hips like a woman and I can't get rid of my hips. Yes. So she realized then that there was really no bottom to this, pursuing this path and just stopped, you know, immediately. She's not sure whether she's going to have reconstructive surgery at this point. she's not sure if she's damaged her fertility. She talks about on the film about how when she transitioned, she wasn't thinking she even wanted children.

But now that she's happily married to a man, she really wants children. And she doesn't know if she'll be able to have children now that she's taken so much testosterone at her body. And that's one aspect of this that just breaks my heart, is that, of course, when you're 16, 17, even 20 years old, you just don't really have the capacity to understand what you will want on the other side of this, what you will want one day. Of course, you don't

want children right now. You're young, you're living your life, you're doing what you want to do. So it's hard for you to imagine the desires that come with growing up. And one of those desires is motherhood. And you have completely, these doctors have completely ruined their chances, these girls' chances of becoming moms biologically very often. And even if they don't, even if they gain their fertility. These women, these young women, young girls who are having double mastectomies, they'll never be able to breastfeed. They'll never even have that option. That's something that has been taken away from them forever. And it just seems like so much of the compassion in the mainstream, even part of like what I would consider the quote unquote, I don't know,

social justice church. The compassion and empathy, we're told, only has to be directed towards those who say that they're the opposite gender from what they are. But I really don't see those people very often highlighting these detransitioned stories and looking like we're causing irreversible damage and very few people are willing to stand up and say stop. Yeah, and we had a discussion last night after the showing of the film and cat in the film was on hand. So she was live in the audience. And we also had a mother who's very involved in the state of California opposing our gender affirmation laws that are on Governor Newsom's desk right now for him to sign.

And, you know, it was very clear that, you know, these kids are also spending so much time on social media. And when this one mom was talking about her own daughter, who became what is called a desister, meaning her daughter lived, dressed, acted like a man, but never took any drugs or any surgery, but she desisted in that she became comfortable being a girl in her girl body. You know, that mother said she took her daughter's phone away. She went to every school board meeting. She read every single book that her child was going to be asked to read before her child

even started school that year. She looked at the curriculum. She talked about being the only parent at a school board meeting this last year where this, you know, they were going to be teaching gender curriculum. This is after her child desisted or before? Before, during, and after. She is now happily living with her. her desisted daughter, but still very active in fighting the good fight in the state.

And she runs the, she's the local woman that runs the Our Duty. Group, which is an international project. But she gave some real practical things, because that's what people need, especially parents, you know, when you all of a sudden have a child that you've known and loved their whole life and all of a sudden they come home and say they're born in the wrong body and they want you to call them this, you know, parents need the tools because right now they're not going to be able to be getting trustworthy tools from their physician necessarily, from their child's teacher necessarily, from therapists, the internet. But when you look at the growing number of

detransitioners in the Reddit community, it's exploding. And I think, you know, the trans activists like to say that these detransitioners are minority, a minor voice in this debate, which they are not. and I think we are going to see way more people becoming more emboldened to tell their story once movies like The D-Transition Diaries and others come out and people start hearing, whoa, what are we doing? What have we done? Yeah. So this is a good movie, obviously to watch. If you're on our side of things, and you already know how dangerous and deadly this whole industry and movement is just to hear from people's personal stories just to be equipped with those stories and with those

testimonies, but it would also be great for you to watch, for people to watch with those who are on the fence. Or maybe they're not even on the fence, but they just kind of deny that this is something that exists. Or who think, as I kind of described a second ago, who think all of the empathy should just be in the direction of affirming someone's stated identity rather than seeing the physical damage that is being done on these young people's bodies. So this is going to convince and persuade, but it's also going to embolden those of us and empower those of us who already are in this fight, just remind us to double down on our efforts. And so I'm just so thankful for you for giving a platform to these women. I hope that you make many more detransition diaries.

fortunately and unfortunately there will be many more of these stories and someone's got to give them a pedestal and so I'm thankful that you're doing that. So people can go to the Vimeo link, correct? Is there anywhere else you'd like them to go? Well, I think the Vimeo channel first because I really want people to see the movie. If you just go to Vimeo and you just search for the D transition diaries, the film will pop up. But we do have a YouTube channel that's full of all kinds of other free content and all of our other movies are there. The Vimeo is a pay-per-view, so we're asking people to be willing to chip in.

I'm telling people it's basically about the cost of a Starbucks pumpkin latte to watch it. This is because we have some budget bills to pay, but once we've covered our budget, we'll move it on to YouTube for free viewing too. And we've already had people in Italy that have asked to translate the film into Italian. And that's in 24 hours. That is awesome. Well, I just pray that this continues to take off. Thank you so much, Jennifer. for taking the time to come on and for all that you do. Thank you. Thank you.

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