Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 698 | Aliens, Nephilim, Bigfoot & the Bible | Guest: Nate Henry & Luke Rodgers (Blurry Creatures)

Episode Date: October 26, 2022

Today we're joined by Nate Henry and Luke Rodgers of "Blurry Creatures," a podcast that delves into fringe creatures such as Bigfoot, the Nephilim, and others. As Halloween approaches, we're discussing how the church addresses not just the paranormal, but also common questionable beings like aliens/UFOs and the Loch Ness Monster. We look at whether there are answers to these things in the biblical text and how we might interpret them. We discuss aliens – if they exist, what are they? And do they have anything to do with angels and the spiritual realm? We talk about the Nephilim from the Bible and how they may have come to be and debate whether evildoers today are in part the result of human hybrids or just man's sinful nature. --- Timecodes: [02:40] New parody video coming out tonight! [03:40] New stickers! [05:18] Interview with Nate & Luke begins [10:05] Aliens & UFOs [15:30] How would aliens fit into the creation accounts? [20:00] Giants in the Bible [27:20] Genesis 6:4 and Nephilim [40:19] Technology and the Fall [43:58] Do these creatures still exist today? [48:07] Human hybrids? [1:00:10] Summary --- Today's Sponsors: Good Ranchers — change the way you shop for meat today by visiting GoodRanchers.com/ALLIE and use promo code 'ALLIE' to save $30 off your order AND get 2 lbs of chicken free (October-only special)! My Patriot Supply — prepare yourself for anything with long-term emergency food storage. Save $250 off a Three-Month Emergency Food Kit when you go to mypatriotsupply.com. Birch Gold — protect your future with gold. Text 'ALLIE' to 989898 for a free, zero obligation info kit on diversifying and protecting your savings with gold. Range Leather — highest quality leather, age old techniques and all backed up with a “forever guarantee." Go to rangeleather.com and use coupon code "ALLIE" to receive 15% off your first order. --- "R.I.P. ROE" Sticker: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey/products/rip-roe-sticker "Go VOTE" Sticker: https://shop.blazemedia.com/products/vote-sticker?pr_prod_strat=use_description&pr_rec_id=6552e1052&pr_rec_pid=7931910291709&pr_ref_pid=7926489317629&pr_seq=uniform --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Aliens and UFOs, the Lochness monster, Bigfoot, giants, are any of these blurry creatures real? And if there is evidence of their existence, how would this fit into a biblical worldview? Well, the hosts of the podcast, blurry creatures are here today to help us think through a lot of these things. It's a really, really interesting conversation that, again, I wanted to do as we are leading up to Halloween.

Now, you guys know my perspective on Halloween is not the same as how the world celebrates Halloween. Go back and listen to yesterday's episode or watch yesterday's episode if you haven't already caused a little bit of controversy in the comment section. of YouTube as there was a lot of spirited disagreement with what my guest yesterday argued about Halloween. But you should also go back and listen to an episode that I did with my mom a couple years ago about how she uses Halloween to celebrate the gospel and to share the gospel with her neighbors to truly be light in a darkness. My perspective is that that is possible. As Christians, I do think this is an issue around which we have a lot of Christian liberty. And, and that you must apply the Word of God with wisdom and with conviction of the Holy Spirit

to lead your family and yourself in a way that aligns with beauty and truth. I do, though, think it's possible to bring redemption, to bring light, to bring the gospel to Halloween and certain Halloween traditions without celebrating gore. So part of that, part of kind of looking at the mysterious, looking into the realm of the paranormal is how I am kind of leading up to Halloween on this show. So yesterday we talked about the origin of Halloween, the real history of Halloween. And today we are looking in this kind of in-between world. Now, you will hear in my conversation with these two hosts who are awesome, by the way,

that I've got some questions, okay? I've got some serious skepticism about what they're talking. talking about. I've got some disagreement. And I'm going to go to the Bible and ask them some questions about how the possible existence of some of these things that are typically referred to as myths would fit into God's words. So really, really interesting conversation that I know that you all are going to love. Now, before we get into it, I got a few things to say, number one tonight, Wednesday, October 26th, we are putting out a parody, a parody that you have seen a couple times before. I did the first parody like this in 2018, the second in 2020, and now the third,

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Nate, Luke, thank you so much for joining us. Whoever wants to answer this first question, go for it. Tell us what blurry creatures is and why you guys started that podcast. Blurry creatures is a podcast. We talk about all kinds of fringe creatures, everything from Bigfoot to, you know, werewolf creatures to historical creatures, ancient giants. I had the idea in 2019 to do a podcast about this because I was remodeling houses and I was listening to. I didn't want to listen to anything political or sports.

So I started listening to podcasts about Bigfoot and stuff. And eventually I just got I got sucked into it. So around 2019, designed a logo, got the website and everything. And then Luke and I were friends via some other friends. And he was tweeting about Bigfoot one day. And I was like, hey, I got this idea. a podcast. You want to do it with me because I knew Luke did a podcast with his brother and he knew how to do podcasting. So we decided to start a Bigfoot podcast with all filtered through the biblical

paradigm and it just kind of took off and we had no idea what we were getting ourselves into. But we talk a lot about ancient history, biblical history, the Nephilim giants and Bigfoot and all that stuff. So it's blurry creatures can be anything. We have a, the list of creatures is getting longer by the day. It's pretty interesting. We thought maybe, you know, I don't know how many podcast episodes we can do about this, but man, there's so many creatures out there that are considered blurry. And blurry has kind of become its own sort of adjective of what we talk about.

And it's funny. People are like, this is blurry and they'll send us a picture of something that's like some sort of weird anomaly that's out there, some sort of UFO. So we talk, yeah, we do get into aliens and UFOs and all that other stuff too. But we try to filter it all through the biblical paradigm. So that's kind of how it started. And we had no idea what we were getting ourselves into. Yeah.

So you mentioned that word blurry. Luke, could you tell us, like, what exactly is meant by blurry creatures? Because before I listened to the podcast, I had no idea what it was going to be about. All the people that recommended it to me, they did not even tell me. They just said, you have to listen to this. So I didn't know what to expect. So tell us, like, why you picked that name, blurry creatures. Yeah.

you know, it comes out of, it's tongue and cheek, right? It's the idea that like all these pictures of Bigfoot end up blurry for whatever reason. So there's actually a joke. I think it's Mitch Headberg, Nate, where he talks about the idea that the Bigfoot always has blurry creatures. It meant to be kind of funny. But I think with the idea with the show itself is that people have experiences they can't explain. People have encounters with things they can't explain. and if you come from a Christian perspective,

there's a lot of things like that that you, a lot of people have trouble putting into their Christian paradigm. And I think the church really doesn't address a lot of what the world calls paranormal. And the paranormal world out there doesn't really address any of it through the context of the church or Christianity. And so because we're Christians, one of our, one of the things this is turn into is trying to put all these things into a biblical paradigm.

That this stuff does all fit, that you can explain these things through, through the understanding of the Bible and the Old Testament and our faith. And that's become kind of the common ground. Like Nate said that we started out to just kind of figure out what was Bigfoot going to be, and it's really a journey podcast. It's taken us into a lot of different places, but what I think we're really trying to do is provide context for a lot of things

that people are experiencing. And we know the government is just really, in the last year, has started to publicly recognize what they call UAPs. Of course, they changed the UFO moniker to UAP, right? Because UFO has all of these these stigmas attached to it, right? Yes, exactly. And what's UAP, unidentified? Aerial phenomena. Oh, okay, got it.

So these things are happening. And I don't think the church has done a great job of addressing any of this, right? Maybe there aren't great answers. And that's really what Nate and are trying to do, is to try to find better answers. Yeah. You know, with our foundation as, with our foundation as our faith. And so for whatever reason, it's resonated with a lot of people. I think that our faith and that Christianity is big enough to encompass all of these things.

And there are explanations for all of this in the biblical text and in the biblical narrative. and that's what getting blurry is all about, right? Yeah. Well, I'm curious to hear more specifically about the alien UFO issue because I have been asked that, as you said, there has been more coverage on this over the past couple years. There have been some people in the media and the news, mostly conservative, which is kind of interesting,

just saying, okay, do we have any priority to try to identify what these UFOs are. There have been sightings. And so people have asked me, could it be possible, theologically, for there to be life on other planets? Like, what could these UFOs be if it's not some kind of spying device from, say, China? And so how have you guys worked that out biblically?

Like, is it possible biblically with what we know about the universe and who God made for there to be a different life form on another planet? Yeah. I mean, the Bible talks about this specifically. Like we talk about a lot about Genesis 6 event. You read Genesis 6 through sort of what the ancients read it as is that you had angels coming into our realm and messing with human beings. And they traded women for technology. And so we talk about the Genesis 6 event in sort of the biblical paradigm that most seminaries kind of interpreted as something completely different.

So what we try to do is say, hey, this isn't a new thing. Anything extraterrestrial is just an off-earth entity, right? Human beings have been given dominion here on earth by God, but anything else, angels, other entities that are in sort of the heavenly cord is what we talk about, because the Bible talks about all kinds of strange things, right? And anything that's not, that wasn't given dominion here on earth would technically be an E.T. So it's not a new thing. it's been happening and to talk about it in Genesis, it's just sort of the government is

reframe this and Hollywood has reframed this as alien, but anything not human is technically alien. Does that make sense? So the Bible has a lot of these encounters, you know, all throughout the Bible, these angels that are not from here are interacting with human beings. And I think So you're saying aliens are aliens how we see them like ET type thing. Like is you're saying that they're actually encounters with angels? Like angels are these, or what people are referring to as aliens? I think sometimes.

I don't think always. I think sometimes encounters with non-human entities, technically are, if you take the word E.T, it's extraterrestrial, right? So non-Earth entity, angels would fall into that category. But in terms of like the Hollywoodized version of an alien, You know, we'd have to get down to specifics.

Are we talking about the gray aliens? Are we talking about, you know, who's flying the UFOs? Sometimes it's all the above, you know? It's like, who is crafting, who is flying these craft? It's complicated. I think you have to sort of get Christians to understand that like, you know, non-Earth entities have been coming here and interacting with human beings. And it's in the Bible and you can support it through scripture and make it.

And you have to start there and then kind of work your way up to modern day encounters. Does that make sense? It's hard to convince somebody from the beginning of just saying, oh, aliens are here, and then they're like, wait, I've never heard of anything like this. We're like, we have to go back to Genesis and read some of these more obscure accounts and actually understand that this isn't anything new, technically speaking. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country

aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed,

you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. I guess my question would be like where that fits into the creation account. because these are not animals and they're not, they wouldn't be human beings made in the image of God. So like, what are they? Where do they fall in the creation categories? They're not included, I would guess, in God's plan of redemption through Christ since they're not image bears. And so, or, but if they're not angels, because you said only sometimes you think these interactions are with angels and sometimes they're not,

I have a hard time fitting that into my understanding of creation and God's eternal plan of redemption for human beings. What are these like other human, subhuman things? You know, I just don't have like a theological category in my mind to put them in. Luke, what do you think? No, I think that's a great question. I think that the Bible in and of itself is the story of God redeeming. humanity unto himself and redeeming humanity back into the family of God. But we know that, we know from the Bible that there are angels, there are hosts of heaven, there are fallen angels, there are fallen angels, there are, there's a diversity of creation, as you would imagine, that it isn't on earth that's, that is in the spiritual realm, if you want to use that term,

the spiritual realm, or in the heavenlies. And we know that there was a rebellion in heaven. We know that from Job, that when the earth was created, the angels, the angels cheered, the angels stood and watched. So there is a kingdom of heaven that I think we can understand in the same way that we have the diversity of creation on earth. There's a diversity of creation in heaven. And these are, you know, angels is a medieval term, right? It's the idea of Angelos is a messenger.

And I think in some ways we've simplified a very diverse spiritual realm. Like we know from, I think the darkness is the easiest way to kind of understand that there's a lot of weird things that are bad in the spiritual realm. And I think, you know, from people's experiences with the demonic and even some of these creatures we know are bad and nefarious sort of evil things that you can have quite a diversity of, you know, of creation. in the spiritual. Yeah.

So I think that the idea that we limit, and the Bible doesn't, here's the other thing, Ali, the Bible doesn't talk a lot about that. The Bible is specifically about our story, right? There are breadcrumbs. Nate talked about Genesis 6 and the idea that there was these sons of God.

You go back to the Hebrew, and it's Elohim. And you can find this same word in Psalm 82. And you can find it in Deuteronomy 32. there are specific terminology for spiritual beings, these what we call the angels, the sons of God, but it's a very broad brush. And I think we've just, we've sort of decided because of medieval art, because of the Renaissance art, that these things have wings.

They look like this. And this is the only way they look like. And we've really just just created two things. It's like demons are really gnarly looking and nasty and they do this. And angels have wings and they're white. But then you read Revelation. and John describing what he's seen. And it's like, there's some crazy stuff out there.

There's four heads and there's, there's flaming, there's flaming beings that, you know, that even that God placed at the gate of Eden when we were, when we were booted out. Yeah. So I think we need to open our mind in some ways to,

to, if there's diversity of creation here on Earth, we can look around, I can look at my window and see trees and deer and cows and horses. And, and creation is, is immensely diverse. I think oftentimes we, you know, as earth and as on earth is, is in heaven, this idea that

that I think we really limit, we're pretty a limit on God to think that there's just like one set of this and one set of that when it comes to the heavenly realm. So you're saying they can, they're just the, your answer to my question of like where it falls in line with the creation categories is that in, in y'all's mind, these are spiritual beings. These aren't like a subcategory of humans or animals that these are somewhere in the spiritual realm, right? And we don't know exactly where and we don't know exactly what they're doing, but it is possible that these are spiritual beings that at some points have interacted in our physical realm. Yeah. Yeah. And we talk a lot about that on the show about how originally that's

where the giants came from. So if you look back in the Old Testament, you have David and Eliath is the most popular story of humans interact, you know, David and this giant. Well, that's just one tribe. And there's literally dozens of tribes in the Old Testament of these giants. And if you look back, historically speaking, these angels bred with humans. And that's how the Hebrews viewed that giants got here. They were hybrids. They were not supposed to be here, but they were part human, part angel.

And that's the men of renown. And a lot of people say that's what the Greeks were writing. about the Greek gods, these half-man, half-angel demigods. And so that was their way of recording the history. But the Bible talks about it too, calls them the men of renown in Genesis. And that's why the flood came. The flood was a part of resetting humanity, give humanity back the dominion here on earth because he had corrupted creation. And so we talk about how plants, animals, humans, everything was corrupted. That's why God floods the world. It isn't because humans are just particularly sinful at this generation.

It's like the whole world was genetically corrupted. And it sounds fantastic. It sounds crazy, but it's very much how the ancients have viewed the world, and it's the biblical story. And what we do is we say, hey, people are still seeing these creatures today. People are still seeing weird things. People are having sleep paralysis episodes where things are coming into their room and they're swearing to us and that this isn't a physical entity coming and interacting

with me, what is it? People see Bigfoot out in the woods. People see werewolf creatures. People see all kinds of stuff. People see these UFOs flying around. How do you explain this through the biblical paradigm? Well, I think we've just sort of lost the magic and the whimsy of this whole story, right? Like God created human beings, put him on this earth, but we're not the center of the story, you know? There's so much else going on around us. And there's this war that we were sort of born into between, you know, heaven and hell, and we're kind of in the middle of it.

And sometimes we see sort of the effects of this war, if that makes sense. Like we're, you know, we don't know always what's going on, but God has sort of protected us behind the veil to see in all these things. But there are some Christians out there who swear they can see behind the veil. And they can sort of see these different creatures and different entities that God has, that's sort of interacting around us. And it's pretty amazing how many people have a story of something paranormal or weird. So like Luke said in the beginning, like what we did. is there's a lot of church and theological podcasts that are afraid to get paranormal. And there's a lot of paranormal podcasts that are afraid to get theological.

And what we do is kind of put those things together and say, look, the Bible is strange. It's got a lot of weird stuff in it. And that's okay. And the weirder is in our mind is the more important. If it's weird, it's important. There's something there. And I love that about scripture. It doesn't, it's not PC.

It doesn't tiptoe around anything. It allows you to be an adult and says, here's a weird thing. deal with it. Yeah. And I think the church a lot of times just tiptoes around those things. We can't talk about that. It's too strange, but I don't think ancient people were afraid of complicated ideas and thoughts.

I mean, and we talk a lot about, you know, the ancient world. Where were they building pyramids and all these structures and how do they do that? And we filtered all through the biblical paradigm. We give a lot of people answers because they're going to, a lot of people are seeing the proof that the ancient world isn't what we're being taught in school. and historically speaking, and they're getting sucked into like ancient aliens and all these other weird UFO religions.

And so what we're saying is, no, no, no, this all fits into the paradigm that the Christian Bible gives you. And Jesus is redeeming all of this. And this is why you need a savior because the kingdom of darkness is so much bigger and darker than you can imagine. And this is what Christ saves you from.

Yeah. And it's weird how like talking about a creature that you seek and you can work yourself backwards and you're like okay I saw this thing when I was a kid I've thought about it my whole life I've always been confused but now I understand that this is just one creature in a line of weird weird unexplained things I don't know if that helps but that's a lot I think it's hard for people as you were saying it's hard for people to imagine that there could be anything on earth that is undiscoverable for us yeah of course maybe some things in space but that there could be anything on planet Earth that we haven't been able to identify clearly, not

blurrally, but clearly and identify because we kind of feel, I think, as humans, maybe it's hubris or maybe it's just technology. We feel kind of like we're at the end of discovery. We're at the end of history, basically. Like, we're at the end of conquest. But of course, we know that's not true even if we're just looking at science. There are new discoveries that we find every day, that correct things that we used to see. And so I do agree that I think we have to open ourselves up to the possibility that there is a lot, even just here on earth, that we have not discovered or know about. I think about the Lochness monster.

I studied abroad in Scotland. And so we talk about it. But of course you talk about it like a joke. You don't ever talk about the real possibility. And basically just what we hear is that, yeah, there have been some blurry pictures or there have been some sightings that people thought was really the Lochness monster, but then it turned out to be like a giant fish or something. So I'm wondering if y'all, maybe you, Luke, if you could talk a little bit more about specifically the Lochness monster. Since I like Scotland, I'm interested

and I'm interested in that one. Like, is it possible for there to be a Lochness monster? Yeah. I want to go back to one thing real quick. Sure. That I think is important to remember. And we talk about the spiritual realm and we specifically talked about Genesis 6 there was a very physical interaction there in order to procreate right like I mean this is a family show but like this is this happened that and we have physical can one of you talk a little bit specifically more what when you all have said Genesis 6 a couple times but there's lots of people that don't know what you're referring to so what are you talking about the Genesis 6 4 is that the sons of God saw the daughters of men saw they were fair and they took them as wives

And then there were giants or however the translation is Nephilim born into the land. And so there is a very real physical interaction between the sons of God, which in the Hebrew is the Elohim. Ben Elohim is actually the Hebrew word. And that word Elohim is interchangeable in the Hebrew. But it doesn't refer to men. So this isn't, there's no way to move this around, switch this around, and say that this isn't anything. but a heavenly being, a spiritual being. But look, there's a very physical interaction here.

And we see this throughout the Old Testament, whether it be the angel of the Lord coming and eating with Abraham, the angel of the Lord wrestling with Jacob, the angels walking into Sodom and Gomorrah, right? These are, as much as we talk about the spiritual realm and the idea these are spirits, there's very much a physicality to these beings in our realm here. When they visit our realm,

and I think that when you start to look at things like that and realize that there had to be these physical interactions. It wasn't just spiritual in the sense that we, the way we imagine a spirit world. I think that can change the way that we look at things like UFOs. And the way that we look at things, interactions with other things that don't really fit into our, you know,

our earth paradigm in the sense of the things that we, that we've been told or taught. That is what I'm referring to with Genesis 6. It's a small part of the Bible, but there's a very significant thing that happens there. And it sets off a big series of events. You have these hybrid beings, giants, and we know that there are stories across every civilization.

We know that they found giant bones up until the 1930s where all of a sudden they got whisked away and they are no more. These are part of our history. They end up in the Bible in a ton of places, including the most famous what the Neda talked about, David and Goliath, right? Like they have these, these were these hybrid beings.

So if the angel were. And wouldn't they have been? So you're referring to you said the sons of man or sons of God saw the daughters of man were attractive. They came together. And then Nate, what you were talking about earlier was like genetic corruption on earth. And so God says that the earth is corrupted. He saw the wickedness of man was great on earth.

And every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And so God decided to spare Noah and his family and, of course, some of the animals and send this flood to destroy the earth. So wouldn't have the creatures that you're talking about? Wouldn't they have been destroyed? Like if they weren't animals and only Noah's family was preserved, what happened there? So it says they were there before and after, you know? And it says there were giants in the earth in those days before and after that. So some survive somehow.

And some people think that maybe they could have gone underground. Maybe they could have gone off earth and come back. Maybe there was another. The Nephulam were on earth in those days. This is verse four. And also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of man, they bore children to them. These are the mighty men who were of old.

That's men of renown, as you were talking about earlier. Oh, yeah, it says the men of renown. Yeah. And so, yeah, that's interesting. I have never noticed that and also afterward before. Yeah. But it has to be, right? You have Goliath.

That's post-flood. So you have a giant. And how does that happen? But we're mostly taught that that's just a really tall person, I feel. Like in church, I think we're typically just, you know, we're told that he's tall. Yeah, but it's, don't you think it's interesting, though, that like if you think about it from, and this is what a lot of my friends get hangups on in the Old Testament. They don't understand the violence in the Old Testament. Why is there, why is God commanding Joshua and Caleb and these other, you know, Israelites to go out and wipe out these tribes?

Every last woman and child and their animals. You have to ask yourself some questions. And so so many people abandon their faith because they go, God is just this, in the Old Testament, is commanding his people to kill. It's like, well, they're not human. I mean, if you think about it from that perspective, it's like they're not supposed to be here. All of them, all of the enemies of Israel, you think we're not human? I think they were corrupted, genetically corrupted lines of these Nephilim. And they were, they were practicing, you know, witchcraft and sorcery.

and they were corrupted beyond just like your typical, you know, understanding of like human beings that just reject God. I think that's different than some of these ancient tribes. I think they had, like we've talked about on our show, that they were practicing, you know, they were practicing types of sorcery and that were beyond our scope, beyond our understanding to the point where they were corrupting themselves. they were doing things that were so far outside of God's law that they had to be exterminated. That's what I think the Old Testament is trying to explain.

It's hard. It's hard for even me to say that. But you have these commandments of them supposed to wipe these people out. And if you think about it from like just human-on-human interaction, that seems pretty counter to when Jesus comes and says, love your enemies. Like what, you know what I'm saying? That's a big hang-up for most people that, theologically speaking, the floods are big hang up. Sodom Gimore is a big hang up. You know, these wars in the Old Testament are a big hang up.

But if you think about it, that there's a corrupted creation that's sort of spawned on the earth and God is trying to sort of redeem humanity, like you said in the beginning of the episode, we are creating an image of God, and they hate that. I think some of these tribes that were hybrids were not, they didn't have souls or something, they were not part of God's plan, they were not supposed to be here, and they were, they were like parasites on the earth. I know it sounds fantastical, but there's so much historical evidence for these things to have been here. And if you look back at the tribes, even some of these giant tribes, they're described, their physical traits are even described. You know, and you have like, like the legendary giants like Aug, who had

this bed that was like 15 feet long, what's he doing? You know, it's like, they practice a cult magic and they were doing things that were so corrupt that they had to be wiped out. That's kind of what I think the Old Testament is trying to tell us. That's interesting. I mean, go ahead, go ahead. I would say not 100 of 100. I think when you look at like the Philistines and these different places, but I think the conquests of Joshua, where they go into the promised land and the spies

come back and say, there are giant people there. There are giants there and everything else is giant there. That is some of what God is passing judgment. I think it makes a lot more sense when you realize that these were products of, you know, of the fall, the fallen angels, you know, creating their own progeny, yet again, doing the same thing, you know, after the flood. And, yeah, I think that's how we get giants. Now, we know that Goliath and his brothers were mercenaries for the Philistines. So, you know, it's probably not the Philistines were probably not a giant tribe, but they employed giants to, you know, to fight on their behalf. We know that David Battle Goliath.

So I think there's context there. And what we're trying to say is there's context here to understand God passing judgment. And we know that the New Testament that through the sacrifice of Jesus, that God takes a different stance toward humanity. But I think this, the idea that Genesis 6 is a product of Genesis 3, which is, which is, when God says that the seat of the woman will crush the head of the serpent, basically prophesying the coming of the Messiah, which we know to be Jesus. And what happens after that and plays out through the Old Testament, we believe, in our biblical worldview, that the darkness is trying to prevent the Messiah coming through the line of Adam.

The line of Adam, yeah. And the way to prevent anything comes from the line of Adam is to muddy that with, the DNA of the of the fallen angels and and and you can see this thread being pulled right it's it's it's Noah being saved he's the he's the he's the last righteous one where that means righteous in heart we also maybe maybe that completely is righteous and pure in blood that he hasn't been corrupted by you know by an outside DNA and we know the darkness can't create here's the other thing darkness cannot create anything from nothing only god creates they can only manipulate and because of what we see in the Old Testament, we talked about the physicality. We just talked about there had to be the ability

to mix of these DNAs as the Bible specifically talks about it. So there is definitely physicality to these beings, you know, in our space. And the sons of God, I've just never, I haven't spent a whole lot of time thinking about Genesis 6 and Natholum, but you're saying the sons of God are actually fallen angels, right? So demons, they're the ones who are the ones who are creating so why do you think they're called sons of god if these are fallen angels well the sons of god is the Elohim it's it's it's the angelic race so some angels left their posts they were called the watchers and they left you know they were they left their posts came down into our realm so they were just angels that interacted with women so they were you know as you can like like what does an angel look like

how does how do humans interact with angels in the bible there's no difference right but they came They sort of left their job. I think angel is, you know, for what we talk about on our show is that the heavenly court, God gives everyone jobs, right? So some angels have jobs, the seraphim, the cherubim, these people, these people, I mean, these angels have a specific title, and it is always usually described to what they do. Supposedly, there was 200 watchers. They were supposedly, you know, guardians of humanity, watching humanity.

They came down and they left their post. They made a deal and left and they came down on, you know, a lot of the ancient traditions. They landed on Mount Hermon. And they were given, they basically traded technology and knowledge for these women. They lusted after women. What do you mean traded technology?

So from the heavenly realm, like, you know, the occult sciences. And Luke and I talk about this, the sacred sciences, you know, like the mystery schools, all the like the occult sciences that things like metallurgy and all these things, they taught us how to go to war with each other, how to mine metals, how to how to do all these things? How did humans learn how to build stuff? How do we learn how to, you know, manufacture tools and where do we get this knowledge from? It was like a sacred knowledge. And that's the, that's the Genesis account, right? Like,

oh, you could be like the gods. You can have this knowledge. So we got seduced. we were sort of created in this immoral state and we were in the garden and then the serpent comes along and says you want to be like God you want to know that you want to have the knowledge and I think that these

So you think that that human beings ability to like innovate technology is actually a part of the fall? I think yeah I think that there are certain not all of it go ahead and look.

No I would say I think it's the acceleration I think what and we've had we've run through this This is an interesting topic. You want to run through the genealogy. Everybody doesn't want to slog through the genealogy of the Bible. But when you do, you can line up a lot of the, this person was the father of metallurgy. This person was the father of animal husbandry.

This person did this. And it lines up pretty well with what the event on, you know, the Genesis 6 event. So it's not that we don't have the ability to innovate. We absolutely do. We were creating the image of God. We are given. We create. We were told to that we had dominion over this, over this place.

To take the earth and subdue and subdue it. To take the earth and subdue it, right? We absolutely have that. But what I think happened is that there had to be a transaction. And part of that was the sharing of knowledge, to accelerate it. And what's interesting is you can look at the historical record. And there are, I think the one that's really, really fascinating is the discovery of like Quebecliatepe in Turkey. If you're not familiar with this discovery,

It is one of the oldest, if not the oldest civilizations or civilization city that's been discovered. And it's super complex. And it comes to the time that the historical record would say that we were hunter gatherers and we weren't, we weren't agrarian. And out of nowhere, massively complex, temple complexes and religious circles and a huge stone city is discovered. And it doesn't really make sense. Like, how did these people who were just doing, you know, who are following, you know, herds of animals and not agrarian, not farming, all of a sudden create all of this civilized creation technology?

So we surmise, and it's our opinion, but I think you can find it in the biblical text that there was at least, at the very least a transaction of ideas that these fallen angels that came from. Aliens and UFOs, the Lochness monster, Bigfoot, giants, are any of these blurry creatures real? And if there is evidence of their existence, how would this fit into a biblical worldview? Well, the hosts of the podcast, blurry creatures are here today to help us think through a lot of these things.

It's a really, really interesting conversation that, again, I wanted to do as we you're leading up to Halloween. Now, you guys know my perspective on Halloween is not the same as how the world celebrates Halloween. Go back and listen to yesterday's episode or watch yesterday's episode if you haven't already caused a little bit of controversy in the comment section of YouTube as there was a lot of spirited disagreement with what my guest yesterday argued about Halloween. But you should also go back and listen to an episode that I did with my mom a couple years ago

about how she uses Halloween to celebrate the gospel and to share the gospel with her neighbors to truly be light in a darkness. My perspective is that that is possible. As Christians, I do think this is an issue around which we have a lot of Christian liberty and that you must apply the Word of God with wisdom and with conviction of the Holy Spirit to lead your family and yourself in a way that aligns with beauty. and truth. I do, though, think it's possible to bring redemption, to bring light, to bring the gospel to Halloween and certain Halloween traditions without celebrating gore. So part of that, part of kind of looking at the mysterious, looking into the realm of the paranormal, is how I am kind of leading up to Halloween on this show. So yesterday we talked about the origin of Halloween, the real history of Halloween and today we are looking in this kind of in-between world. Now, you will hear in my conversation with these two hosts who are awesome, by the way,

that I've got some questions, okay? I've got some serious skepticism about what they're talking about. I've got some disagreement. And I'm going to go to the Bible and ask them some questions about how the possible existence of some of these things they're typically referred to. to as myths would fit into God's words. So really, really interesting conversation that I know that you all are going to love. Now, before we get into it, I got a few things to say, number one, tonight, Wednesday, October 26th, we are putting out a parody, a parody that

you have seen a couple times before. I did the first parody like this in 2018, the second in 2020, and now the third just in time for the midterms. And that is my Democrat DNC ad parody, where I act like I am a spokesperson for the Democrat Party. And I tell you why you need to vote blue this November. And this one, in my opinion, it's the best that we've done. I loved the first two, really fun, got a really great reaction from you guys. But this one is the best.

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Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Play. If you haven't subscribed on YouTube yet, please do that. That would mean a lot to us. Nate, Luke, thank you so much for joining us. Whoever wants to answer this first question, go for it. Tell us what blurry creatures is and why you guys started that podcast. Blurry creatures is a podcast. We talk about all kinds of the fringe creatures, everything from Bigfoot to, you know,

werewolf creatures to historical creatures, ancient giants. I had the idea in 2019 to do a podcast about this because I was remodeling houses and I was listening to. I didn't want to listen to anything political or sports. So I started listening to podcasts about Bigfoot and stuff. And eventually I just got sucked into it. So around 2019, designed a logo, got the website and everything. And then Luke and I were friends via some other friends. And he was tweeting about Bigfoot one day.

And I was like, hey, I got this idea. a podcast. You want to do it with me because I knew Luke did a podcast with his brother and he knew how to do podcasting. So we decided to start a Bigfoot podcast with all filtered through the biblical paradigm and it just kind of took off and we had no idea what we were getting ourselves into. But we talk a lot about ancient history, biblical history, the Nephilim giants and Bigfoot and all that stuff. So it's blurry creatures can be anything. We have a, the list of creatures is getting longer by the day. It's pretty interesting.

We thought maybe, you know, I don't know how many podcast episodes we can do about this, but man, there's so many creatures out there that are considered blurry. And blurry has kind of become its own sort of adjective of what we talk about. And it's funny. People are like, this is blurry. And they'll send us a picture of something that's like some sort of weird anomaly that's out there, some sort of UFO. So we talk, yeah, we do get into aliens and UFOs and all that other stuff too.

But we try to filter it all through the biblical paradigm. So that's kind of how it started. and we had no idea what we were getting ourselves into. Yeah, so you mentioned that word blurry, Luke. Could you tell us what exactly is meant by blurry creatures? Because before I listened to the podcast, I had no idea what it was going to be about. All the people that recommended it to me,

they did not even tell me. They just said, you have to listen to this. So I didn't know what to expect. So tell us why you picked that name, blurry creatures. Yeah, you know, it comes out of its tongue and cheek, It's the idea that like all these pictures of Bigfoot end up blurry for whatever reason. So there's a, there's actually a joke. I think it's Mitch Hedberg, Nate, where he talks about the idea that the Bigfoot always has blurry creatures.

It meant to be kind of funny. But I think with the idea with the show itself is that people have experiences they can't explain. People have encounters with things they can't explain. And if you come from a Christian perspective, there's a lot of things like that that you, a lot of people have trouble putting into their their Christian paradigm. And I think the church really doesn't address a lot of what the world calls paranormal. And the paranormal world out there doesn't really address any of it through the context of the church or Christianity. And so because we're Christians, one of the things that's to turn into is is trying to put all these things into a biblical paradigm.

That this stuff does all fit. that you can explain these things through the understanding of the Bible and the Old Testament and our faith. And that's become kind of the common ground. Like Nate said that we started out to just kind of figure out what was Bigfoot going to be. And it's really a journey podcast. It's taken us into a lot of different places. But what I think we're really trying to do is provide context for a lot of things that people

are experiencing. We know the government is just really, in the last year, has started to, publicly recognize what they call UAPs. Of course, they changed the UFO moniker to UAP, right? Because UFO has all of these these stigmas attached to it. Yes, exactly. And what's UAP unidentified? Aerial phenomena.

Ariel. Oh, okay, got it. So these things are happening. And I don't think the church has done a great job of addressing any of this, right? Maybe there aren't great answers. And that's really what Nate and are trying to do is to try to find better answers. Yeah. You know, with our foundation as, with our foundation as our faith.

And so for whatever reason, it's resonated with a lot of people. I think that our faith and that Christianity is big enough to encompass all of these things. And there are explanations for all of this in the biblical text and in the biblical narrative. And that's what getting blurry is all about, right? Yeah. Well, I'm curious to hear more specifically about the alien UFO issue because I have been asked that. As you said, there's been more coverage on this over the past couple years. There have been some people in the media and the news, mostly conservative, which is kind of interesting, just saying, okay, do we have any priority to try to identify what these UFOs are?

There have been sightings. And so people have asked me, could it be possible, theological, for there to be life on other planets? Like, what could these UFOs be if it's not some kind of spying device from, say, China? And so how have you guys worked that out biblically? Like, is it possible biblically with what we know about the universe and who God made for there to be a different life form on another planet? Yeah.

I mean, we, I mean, the Bible talks about this specifically. like we talk about a lot about Genesis 6 event. If you read Genesis 6 through the sort of what the ancients read it as is that you had angels coming into our realm and messing with human beings and they traded women for technology. And so we talk about the Genesis 6 event in sort of the biblical paradigm that most seminaries kind of interpreted as something completely different. So what we try to do is say, hey, this isn't a new thing. anything extraterrestrial is just an off-earth entity, right? Human beings have been given dominion here on earth by God, but anything else, angels, other entities that are in sort of the heavenly cord is what we talk about,

because the Bible talks about all kinds of strange things, right? And anything that's not, that wasn't given dominion here on Earth would technically be an ET. So it's not a new thing. It's been happening. And to talk about it in Genesis, it's just sort of the government, reframe this and Hollywood is reframed this as alien, but anything not human is technically alien. Does that make sense?

So the Bible has a lot of these encounters, you know, all throughout the Bible, these angels that are not from here are interacting with human beings and I think- So you're saying aliens are aliens, how we see them like ET type thing. Like you're saying that they're actually encounters with angels, like angels are?

these or what people are referring to as aliens? I think sometimes. I don't think always. I think sometimes encounters with non-human entities, technically are, if you take the word E.T, it's extraterrestrial, right? So non-Earth entity, angels would fall into that category. But in terms of like the Hollywoodized version of an alien, you know, we'd have to get down to specifics.

Are we talking about the gray aliens? are we talking about, you know, who's flying the UFOs? Sometimes it's all the above, you know? It's like, who is crafting, who is flying these craft? It's complicated. I think you have to sort of get Christians to understand that, like, you know, non-Earth entities have been coming here and interacting with human beings. And it's in the Bible, and you can support it through scripture and make it,

and you have to start there and then kind of work your way up to modern day encounters. Does that make sense? It's hard to convince somebody from the beginning of just saying, oh, aliens are here, and then they're like, wait, I've never heard of anything like this. We're like, we have to go back to Genesis and read some of these more obscure accounts and actually understand that this isn't anything new, technically speaking. Okay, I'm so excited to tell you about my first sponsor for the day. I've talked to you about them once before, and that is Range Leather.

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com code alley. I guess my question would be like where that fits into the creation accounts because these are not animals and they're not, they wouldn't be human beings made in the image of God. So like, what are they? Where do they fall in the creation categories? They're not included, I would guess, in God's plan of redemption through Christ since they're not image bearers. But if they're not angels, because you said only sometimes you think these interactions are with angels and sometimes they're not. I have a hard time fitting that into my understanding of creation and God's eternal plan of redemption for human beings.

What are these like other humans, subhuman things? You know, I just don't have like a theological category in my mind to put them in. Luke, what do you think? No, I think that's a great question. I think that the Bible in and of itself is the story of God redeeming humanity unto himself and redeeming humanity back into the family of God. But we know that we know from the Bible. that there are angels, there are hosts of heaven, there are fallen angels, there are, there's a

diversity of creation, as you would imagine, that it isn't on earth that's, that is in the spiritual realm, if you want to use that term, the spiritual realm, or in the heavenlies. And we know that there was a rebellion in heaven. We know that from Job, but that when the earth was created, that the angels, the angels cheered, the angels stood and watched. So there is a kingdom of heaven that I think we can understand in the same way that we have the diversity of creation on Earth. There's a diversity of creation in heaven. And these are, you know, angels is a medieval term, right?

It's the idea of Angelos is a messenger. And I think in some ways we've simplified a very diverse spiritual realm. Like we know from, I think the darkness is the easiest way to kind of understand that there's a lot. lot of weird things that are bad in the spiritual realm and I think you know from people's experiences with the demonic and and even some of these these creatures we know are bad and nefarious sort of evil things that you can have quite a diversity of you know of creation in the spiritual yeah so I think that the idea that we limit in the Bible doesn't tell you're the thing Ali the Bible doesn't

talk a lot about that. The Bible is specifically about our story, right? There are breadcrumbs. Nate talked about Genesis 6 and the idea that there was these the sons of God. You go back to the Hebrew and it's Elohim and you can find this same word

in Psalm 82 and you can find it in Deuteronomy 32. There are specific terminology for spiritual beings these what we call the angels, the sons of God, but it's a very broad brush. And I think we've just, we've sort of decided because of medieval art, because of the

Renaissance art that these things have wings. They look like this. And this is the only way they look like. And we've really just, just created two things. It's like, demons are really gnarly looking and nasty and they do this. And angels have wings and they're white. But then you read Revelation and John describing what he's seen. And it's like, there's some crazy stuff out there. There's four heads and there's, there's flaming, there's flaming beings. that even that God placed at the gate of Eden when we were when we were booted out. So I think we need to open our mind in some ways to, if there's diversity of creation here on Earth,

we can look around, I can look at my window and see trees and deer and cows and horses and creation is immensely diverse. I think oftentimes we, you know, as Earth and as on Earth that is in heaven, this idea that that I think we really limit we're pretty a limit on God to think that there's just like one set of this and one set of that when it comes to the heavenly realm. So you're saying they can, they're just the, your answer to my question of like where it falls in line with the creation categories is that in, in y'all's mind, these are spiritual beings.

These aren't like a subcategory of humans or animals that these are somewhere in the spiritual realm, right? and we don't know exactly where and we don't know exactly what they're doing, but it is possible that these are spiritual beings that at some points have interacted in our physical realm. Yeah, yeah, and we talk a lot about that on the show about how originally that's where the giants came from.

So if you look back in the Old Testament, you have David and Goliath is the most popular story of humans interact, you know, David and this giant. Well, that's just one tribe. And there's literally dozens of tribes in the Old Testament of these giants. And if you look back, historically speaking, these angels bred with humans. And that's how the Hebrews viewed that giants got here. They were hybrids.

They were not supposed to be here, but they were part human, part angel. And that's the men of renown. And a lot of people say that's what the Greeks were writing about, the Greek gods, these half-man, half-angel demigods. And so that was their way of recording the history. But the Bible talks about it too, calls them the men of renown in Genesis. And that's why the flood came. The flood was a part of resetting humanity, give humanity back the dominion here on Earth

because he had corrupted creation. And so we talk about how plants, animals, humans, everything was corrupted. That's why God floods the world. It isn't because humans are just particularly sinful at this generation. It's like the whole world was genetically corrupted. And it sounds fantastic. It sounds crazy, but it's, it's very much how the ancients have viewed the world. And it's the biblical story.

And what we do is we say, hey, people are still seeing these creatures today. People are still seeing weird things. People are having sleep paralysis episodes where things are coming into their room and they're swearing to us. And that this is a physical entity coming and interacting with what is it? People see Bigfoot out in the woods. People see werewolf creatures. People see all kinds of stuff. people see these UFOs flying around.

How do you explain this through the biblical paradigm? Well, I think we've just sort of lost the magic and the whimsy of this whole story, right? Like God created human beings, put them on this earth, but we're not the center of the story, you know? There's so much else going on around us. And there's this war that we were sort of born into between, you know, heaven and hell. And we're kind of in the middle of it. And sometimes we see sort of the effects of this war, if that makes sense. It's like we're, you know, we don't know always what's going on, but God has sort of protected us behind the veil to see in all these things.

But there are some Christians out there who swear they can see behind the veil. And they can sort of see these different creatures and different entities that God has, that's sort of interacting around us. And it's pretty amazing how many people have a story of something paranormal or weird. So like Luke said in the beginning, like what we do is there's a lot of church and theological podcasts that are afraid to get paranoid. And there's a lot of paranormal podcasts that are afraid to get theological. And what we do is kind of put those things together and say, look, the Bible is strange. It's got a lot of weird stuff in it. And that's okay.

And the weirder is in our mind is the more important. If it's weird, it's important. There's something there. And I love that about scripture is it doesn't, it's not PC. It doesn't tiptoe around anything. It allows you to be an adult and says, here's a weird thing. Deal with it. And I think the church a lot of times just tiptoes around those things.

We can't talk about that. It's too strange, but I don't think ancient people were afraid of complicated ideas and thoughts. I mean, and we talk a lot about, you know, the ancient world. Where were they building pyramids and all these structures and how do they do that? And we filtered all through the biblical paradigm. Give a lot of people answers because they're going to, a lot of people are seeing. Hey, this is Steve Deast. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political.

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