Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 706 | SPECIAL EPISODE: A Biblical Analysis of Post-Midterms America with Delano Squires

Episode Date: November 9, 2022

Today Delano Squires, contributor to BlazeTV's "Fearless with Jason Whitlock," joins us to co-host a biblical state of the union following yesterday's election. We go over our initial post-election thoughts, including DeSantis' massive Florida win. We discuss the Christian worldview issues plaguing our political thought – gender ideology, abortion, the sexual revolution. Where does our faith fit into our policy views, and how can Christians do a better job standing up for what is biblically important and true in our politics? We discuss the need to bring God into our arguments for human rights. Without pointing to a purposeful Creator, how are we to defend the reality behind abortion and gender ideology? We look at some political figures in the spotlight – Walker, Warnock, Trump, and DeSantis – and discuss the prosperity gospel, the Christian view of the Republican Party, and many other topics in this extra long episode! --- Timecodes: [01:15] Initial post-election thoughts / DeSantis [09:37] Worldview issues of Christians / radical Left [19:57] Keeping God in our debates on abortion and gender [26:39] Conservatives need to call the Left's bluff [32:15] Abortion & 2022 state abortion props [51:00] Pastors addressing Genesis issues [1:00:49] Herschel Walker story and owning up to sin [1:05:20] Raphael Warnock & pastors misusing the Bible [1:10:16] Kenneth Copeland at Trump rally & prosperity gospel [1:19:47] Ron DeSantis and Trump [1:29:20] Christian view of the Republican Party [1:39:40] Close --- Today's Sponsors: Naturally It's Clean — visit naturallyitsclean.com/allie and use promo code "ALLIE" to receive 15% off your order. Carly Jean Los Angeles — use promo code 'ALLIEB' to save 20% off your first order at CarlyJeanLosAngeles.com! Covenant Eyes — protect you and your family from the things you shouldn't be looking at online. Go to coveyes.com/ALLIE to try it FREE for 30 days! --- Links: NY Times: "Michigan Proposal 3 Election Results: Constitutional Right to Reproductive Freedom" https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/11/08/us/elections/results-michigan-proposal-3-constitutional-right-to-reproductive-freedom.html NY Times: "Kentucky Constitutional Amendment 2 Election Results: No Right to Abortion" https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/11/08/us/elections/results-kentucky-constitutional-amendment-2-no-right-to-abortion.html NY Times: "California Proposition 1 Election Results: Constitutional Right to Reproductive Freedom" https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/11/08/us/elections/results-california-proposition-1-constitutional-right-to-reproductive-freedom.html BlazeTV Election Coverage Livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii-Te752KDk&t=7281s --- Previous Episodes on the Prosperity Gospel: Ep 105 | Plans to Prosper? https://apple.co/3EhC19L Ep 257 | Leaving the Prosperity Gospel Behind and the Deconversion of Christians | Guest: Costi Hinn https://apple.co/3UnstzX Ep 528 | What Progressive Christianity & Prosperity Gospel Get Wrong About Jesus | Guest: Costi Hinn https://apple.co/3UCxgwQ Previous Episode with President Trump: Ep 519 | President Donald Trump on Witch Hunts, Family + Mean Tweets https://apple.co/3NOLI2F --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this

D-Day Show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. All right, guys, we've got an upbeat, in-depth and Christ-focused analysis of the midterm elections and the state of our country on Relatable Today. And we've got something a little bit different for you. My colleague, Delano Squires, will be a sort of co-host today on Relatable, sharing his analysis. I know that you are going to love this discussion. It's going to encourage you. It's going to edify you. Delano has a lot of great insight. And we just kind of went back and forth as Christians on what we think, not just about the election last night, the goods and the bads, because there were bads, but also just in general.

about how we view the state that we're in, the phase that we're in in an American society as believers. And so I just I just know that you are going to love this episode. I have a feeling about it. It's brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers, American Meat Delivered. Go to Good Ranchers.com slash All right. That's good ranchers.com slash All right. Without further ado, here is Delano Squires. Delano, thanks so much for joining for my post-election coverage.

We've got a lot to talk about today. How are you feeling? Just in general. I feel fine, honestly. Yeah. And I think honestly, this is one of the benefits of, and I hate to say this way, a benefit, but I don't put my trust in politicians. Yeah. I voted.

I exercise my civic duty. And I feel. You feel fine. feel fun. Yeah, so we were doing election coverage last night for Blaze TV. And in the end, everyone kind of shared their final thoughts in our semicircle. And one after another, I mean, this is, I mean, I'm not saying anything negative about my colleagues whose analysis I find like really insightful and compelling. But they were all really depressed and discouraged. It sounded like, especially my friend Steve Days, who was here yesterday, who, again, is one of, I think,

the best political analysts out there. And I was like, dang, I must be missing something because while obviously I talk a lot about politics and culture, I'm not someone who sits and looks at the data coming in every day and has been paying attention very closely to all of the polling. But I'm looking at a couple things. The reason why I'm not like super depressed today, a few things, one, because of what Delano said, I don't put my trust, my hope, my joy in politicians. Also, this is the day that the Lord has made.

Let us rejoice and be glad in it. Hebrews 138, Jesus Christ, is the same yesterday, today, and forever. And he's already won. So that victory is sure. One day there will be no more politics. But then also on a political level, because of course I do care about the state of our country. I do care about the direction that we go in. As we so often say, politics matter because policy matters because people matter.

People are affected by policies and elections and things like that. I do care. On that level, we had some great victories last night. Like, I'm really glad that Beto O'Rourke did not win as the governor of Texas. I'm really glad that Stacey Abrams was defeated. And man, I am really glad at the incredible victory that Governor DeSantis had. And that's not just a Republican victory. All right. We kind of expect Kim to win. We kind of expect Abbott to win. But, and yes, of course, we expect. We expect. We expect. And yes, of course, we expect. the DeSantis to win. But if we look back to 2018, when he was running against a hard left progressive, Andrew Gillum, and he won by only 50,000 votes, people really didn't think he was going to win because Florida was. And in some ways, I guess you could stay still, still is, like a purple state. I mean, he has transformed the state by running on the issues that he knows that people care about and getting out front before any other Republican governor will and say, no, you know what?

We're not doing the vaccine mandates. And we're not doing the quote unquote gender confirmation surgery for kids. Yeah, we're going to have the health department that talks about the dangers of that, that talks about the dangers of the vaccine. We are not going to allow this gender ideology to dominate schools for little children. And we're actually willing to take privileges away from the biggest. corporation in Florida who is working against good curriculum in schools and working against parental rights in schools.

He ran on that that a lot of people thought was radical, a lot of people thought was too far right, a lot of people thought was controversial. And he transformed the state of Florida. Not only that has transformed much of the country. Yes. Because he has been so bold and that. So I know that was a long answer. But because of all of that, like I also feel kind of.

a positive. What do you think? Yeah, I mean, I think your point about Governor DeSantis is spot on. One of the other things he did is he had, he built a solid ground game because I believe, and I may not have all the numbers correct, but basically when he came into office, Democrats outnumbered Republicans in terms of registered voters. And now I think they may be up by 100,000 or 200,000 Republican registered voters versus Democrats. So it's the combination of of that political infrastructure and being right on the issues. And one of the things that I think we've gotten used to as an American public is our leaders who don't really lead.

They're weather vane leaders. It's just they put their finger to wind. They see which way it's blowing. And then they say, okay, I'll just go with the crowd because it's safety in numbers. Yeah. But when he stood against the jab and Dr. Fauci, he was really taking a serious political risk. And it's paid off because unfortunately, everybody in the country got COVID. Yeah.

Whether you were jabed or not jab, you got COVID. And the difference is some states and some governors and some local officials kept kids out of school, fire people from their jobs, some of whom, like the nurses and the first responders, were heroes the year before. Yeah. And now they're villains that want to kill your grandma and your newborn. and governor dissentist didn't do that and he has he has health authorities that do not just blindly follow Washington and I think there's something to be respected and commended about that type of leadership

yeah and he was willing to wade into the LGBTQ issue and most Republicans are not scared alley they're so scared I mean one of the biggest lies that we saw was the so-called don't say gay bill right which was literally just saying hey hey hey if you're a public school teacher that teaches kindergartners through third graders, and we're talking, you know, five to nine year olds, don't teach them that they can switch their genders. Right. Don't teach them about sex. I mean, if we even just like try to explain the need for the legislation like that to someone from five to 10 years ago, they would be like, why, why do you even need a law like that? But now not only do we need that law, but we actually have an entire media.

apparatus, an entire political party, at least the politicians, maybe not the entire base, saying that that's bad, that that's bad. No, actually, teachers should be able to teach five-year-olds that one day they can be chemically castrated and that Jack can become Sally. And I mean, this, to me, the legislation, it didn't even go as far as like what it could one day and what it should one day. It'd be a lot different if you and I were writing it. Right.

Yeah. We'd say, no. Get it out of the schools completely. Ever, ever, ever. But, I mean, it was a great piece of legislation. And I think because of its, like, limitation from kindergarten through third grade, it actually showed just how radical they are on this that they are so keen. The Democrats are so keen to introduce your five-year-old, I mean, a baby, basically,

into queer theory that they are willing to malign a governor for it. So he was willing to go into the LGBTQ. issue. And I think a lot of governors, a lot of Republicans, even if they did do something like Governor DeSantis, when they were pressured by the press, they would say, they would defend themselves by saying something like, well, you know, I'm not anti-gay. No, I'm not homophobic or transphobic, you know, basically use their framing, Democrats framing to defend themselves. And that's one thing I love about DeSantis is that he doesn't do this. He's like, no, I reject your premise entirely. Right. And I'm not even responsible.

to that accusation because you're lying. Goodbye. Right. And and and there is a lesson to be learned there for Republicans. Um, you know, when we saw after Dobbs, you had 47, I think House Republicans sign on to what me and my colleagues called a disrespect for marriage act in Congress. It just shows how weak they are on this issue. And I think ultimately, and it's something you talk about all the time. And I think, um, many Christians, particularly, you know, Bible believing Christians understand this. Most of, you know, our issues and our political culture are not political issues. They're worldview issues. Yeah. And one thing that the Republicans have been able to do to this point is generally

speaking, get to the right destination, but they're not clear on their path. So I've seen, for instance, you know, draft legislation that says something to the effect of, oh, if a school wants to, if a child wants to transition genders in the school, the school has to notify the parents first. And I'm like, okay, I get the parental authority piece, but we should plant our flag firmly in the ground. Oh, yeah. Sex is determined at the point of conception

and remains unchanged throughout all of natural life. Period. Period. Then you can start and say, if a child exhibit symptoms of gender dysphoria, that child should have access to counseling or so on and so on and so forth. And then you get to the last piece,

which is, you know, any conversation around X, Y, and Z in the school has to be had with the parent first. But Republicans just get to, they go straight to parental authority. We want boys out of girls' sports. Okay. So let's say you get boys out of girls' sports. What does that mean? Can the school still teach that boys can become girls? Yeah.

So I think there's an unwillingness to really fight and recapture the territory that the left is taken. And as the left continues to move left, the right is going to continue to move left, unless there are people who are willing to say, to your point, I reject this premise, I reject this worldview. This is what I believe. This is what I stand on. And this is why I believe it. Yeah. And I'm curious what you think about this theory, because it's something that I've noticed about myself. And I have started to see some people on the right do this too. So we've got the transgenderism thing. it's gotten more absurd than I think anyone could have ever imagined when we're talking about 12-year-olds in some cases getting a double mastectomy because they're confused for a period of time about their body. I mean, I don't even think if 10 years ago we were trying to write a dystopian novel about like where this progressive sexual revolution would go. I don't even think that our minds could have gone there.

And yet here we are. That's something that is happening in the United States. And it seems to me that as we've seen the absurdity of how far the sexual revolution has gone, it has caused some people on the conservative side who maybe previously didn't see a problem with a Bergafel, didn't see a problem with the whole quote unquote gay marriage thing, didn't really see a problem with the love is love. How does that affect me? No big deal. And, you know, whatever.

We'll just kind of let that one go. it's forcing them to kind of back up and to say, okay, we got to the point to where we've got teenage boys being chemically castrated and going on cross-sex hormones and we've got an entire political party that is pushing that. How did we get here? Because that didn't happen in a vacuum. And I'm just wondering if that absurdity and that extremism will actually cause people to become more conservative on the things that they should.

of conserved a while ago like marriage because they're starting to see oh this is where the sexual revolution has gone all right where did this come into play did it come into play when transgenderism started no it was before that okay did it come into play when a burghapel started yeah because that's basically like saying men and women are interchangeable too so it's on the same premise well where did that come from and then looking at the ideology of feminism and looking at the sexual revolution that started all the way back in the 60s and 70s. So I'm wondering if the radicalism of the left can actually move some people on the right to the right because you're kind of realizing where all of this craziness came from.

It's not enough to just go back a few years. We've got to go back a lot further than that if we want to correct this. I do think there's that potential. And I think you'll see this more on a local level first. I mean, you see groups of parents from all across the country and now from different faiths. including, you know, Muslim parents in Michigan who are saying, we don't want our kids being taught this gender ideology nonsense, right? So I do think that there are people who are,

who may not think of themselves as conservatives, but who say the left is just going too far. They're too radical on some of these issues. And this is where people who think like this sort of lose the plot. They think that they can say, oh, I'm okay with gay marriage. same-sex mirage, but I'm not with transgenderism, right? I'm okay with abortion up until 15 weeks, but not 20 weeks. And, you know, so they think that these are just a bunch of discrete points that tend,

that are in, you know, sort of floating in this in this circle. Whereas, I think we would say, no, these are all points on a continuum. So you start one place and you end up the next place. And I've been thinking about this. I think one of the downsides of moving, and this is going to seem like a completely unrelated point, but I'm going to try it in. One of the downsides of moving from an agricultural society

to a technical and industrial society is that people forget how nature works. They forget that nature has a nature. And when you sow, you reap, but you reap later and you reap greater. And we are reap things that were sown, as you said, decades ago. Like this and and I didn't even get all of it right I've often said if if the root of feminism is going to be pulled out of the country's ground

It'll be harder to get it out of some men than some women because I think a lot of women understand this is a raw deal Right I work 40 45 50 hours at on the job and then I still come home and I have basically all the domestic responsibilities This doesn't feel like empowerment to me I give my body to guys they say that this is sexual empowerment So why is it? I'm always the one that's crying the next night, the next morning, right? And it's one of these things where we sold those things, abolishing the differences between male and female, assuming that, you know, again, marriage is just between two people. It's not even a man.

And to be fair, this didn't start with a Bergerfeld. You know, a lot of people say this started with no fault divorce. Exactly. We're going back further and further into things that we didn't. even think about like I wasn't thinking about like no fault divorce 10 years ago but now honestly the transgenderism issue has made me think about those things because I am going back to where did this start and where do we need to go to correct the course yeah and and the thing is people vote for these things and even some Christians and I'll I'll tell them myself in 2012 I was going

to a totally different type of church I didn't use terms like biblical worldview Yeah. I voted when the state of Maryland had, you know, a referendum on so-called same-sex marriage. I voted for it because I thought, well, it's just two adults. It's private matter. If a man and a woman can get married, why can't, you know, a man and a man or a woman or a woman? What's the difference? Yeah. Why is the government involved? I was ignorant. Yeah. And even even though I was going to church and I would call myself a Christian, I didn't have a biblical worldview. Yeah. And I think a lot of believers suffer from that. Yeah. They operate as if their faith is one room in a larger house that they own. Yeah.

They only go into that room on Sundays, maybe on Wednesday if they go to Bible study. But other than that, their finances are in a different room, how they approach politics in a different room, how they approach relationships is in a different room. And I think as I matured in my faith, it's just like, no, God owns this house. Yeah. All of it. Yep. So everything I engage in, whether it's really,

relationships and, you know, finances and politics, I have to filter through that biblical lens. And if you don't have that, unless, it's possible to not have that and still stay firm, but that's extremely difficult. Yeah. Because there are very few things that any person, particularly on the left, believes now that they won't abandon in four years if the majority of the population moves in a different direction. Yeah. Or even just that like very powerful minority of people that kind of emotionally extorts you into agreeing with them. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country

aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular.

This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. We'll get back into the election in just a second. But going off of what you said about this biblical worldview, that is something that I've, another change or another shift that I have had in my own life over the past few years. again, just this like the craziness of our culture making me go back further and further to think about like what do I need to uproot in my own mind that led me a few years ago. I would have said that well, yeah, I'm pro life, but you know, in cases of rape and incest, I'm okay with that.

I probably wouldn't have made a stand against what you called legal same sex mirage. I just I wouldn't have either because I would have had the same kind of mentality or I would have at least been scared to say anything about it. But I've really, I mean, partly because of my job had to really think about why I believe what I believe and I've just realized that everything really does go back to Genesis 1. And on those issues, like I'm very thankful. I had Christians in my audience who when I would say these, things like I said something about being for abortion exceptions a few years ago and someone in my audience just kind of kindly called me out and was like you know why should we discriminate against people because of the circumstances surrounding their conception and I was like whoa so you never

I mean you really never know what questions you ask to someone yes yes and that makes them change their mind but anyway it just made me realize because I also used to be someone who said you know what you don't need to bring religion into the conversation when you're talking about gender or when you're talking about abortion. And you don't always have to, but I kind of probably would have said, well, I can explain my position on abortion from a purely secular standpoint or gender.

And you can. But at the end of the day, it's really not enough. What you are appealing to when you try to convince someone without like citing the word of God, hey, we shouldn't abort people because killing human beings is bad and people in the womb are human beings. most people, Christian or not, in the United States, would agree that it's bad to kill human beings.

When you say, hey, I don't think that we should be chopping off the genitalia of, you know, of people in general, but especially kids, because they can't really consent to that. You are appealing to an assumption that a lot of Americans have that human beings matter and that children are protected class. the unspoken premise, though, in that argument is that people are made in the image of God. Right. And even if someone, a secular person in the United States would not explicitly say, yes, people are made in the image of God, every conversation that we have about human rights, every conversation that we have about morality is based on that unspoken premise in the West. if you do not have a God who gave you an alienable rights and that the government should not and cannot take away because the government did not give us those rights, then that is the only thing that really makes the abortion debate makes sense. That's really the only thing that makes the gender and genital mutilation debate makes sense from our perspective because science can tell you when life begins. science cannot tell you why that life matters.

Science can tell you that we are, that we are sexually dimorphic beings. Science cannot tell you why that reality matters more than a person's feelings. Right. The only thing that can tell us that, the only thing that can tell us why the life matters when life begins, why feelings do not trump biology,

is that someone creates, us that way. There is a God who created us, who defined us, who says what we are. There is an authority that tells us those things. Outside of that, when we're talking about human value and human rights and right and wrong and morality and like the evil of like violence and things like that, people don't realize we are all operating under the assumption that human beings are not clumps of cells. Yeah, yeah.

That we are made in the image of God. So I've actually found that, yes, I will go back to theology. I will go back to the Bible. And I actually find it very illogical and irrational to not go back to the Bible. When you're defending the definition of marriage, when you're defending the value of life, when you're defending the reality and the. importance of, you know, gender biology. You really have to.

You really have to science and logic and philosophy can only get you so far. Yeah. And I think what is being exposed is that for the better part of certainly this country's history, we all had an assumed foundation to your point. And you never had to argue it because it was just assumed. I've said this to people before. Like when I was in high school, I was taking,

I can't remember whatever math class I was taking, it was algebra or trigonometry, whatever it is. And at certain times where you're using a theorem to solve a particular problem. And at that age, the teacher would always say, don't worry about trying to understand the theorem. Just use it. When you get to a different stage,

when you get to calculus one or calculus two, then it'll be explained to you. And we have been, using sort of, you know, building arguments on that biblical worldview, on that framework that says that the designer is the definer. Like, we are created beings with inherent worth and value. And all of our arguments prior, again, a couple years ago, were built on that assumption. And you never had to, you didn't have to ask, well, why do you think only women can have babies? Like, why? But now you do. Yeah. And what happened is, you know,

know, the foundations of our entire structure have been shaken. And some people are seeing their way through it. I think for people like you and I, it is, the last five years have been so clarifying for me. And as the world has grown darker, I see my faith shining brighter. And I'm bolder. Yeah. Me too. I'm more willing to bring the Bible into arguments. I would, when I was writing for the root in the griot, that probably wasn't going to happen. I may reference faith in a general sense, but in terms of the foundation of an argument that I was making, that probably wasn't going to happen. So I think as things have continued to crumble around us, like you remember a few months

ago, the college professor, you know, she was in a congressional hearing and she was going back and forth with Senator Hawley. And she said, well, do you believe that men can get pregnant? and she was all smug. And he was like, no, no, I don't. Oh, you don't? Oh, what kind of person are you? And I was just like, how did we get to this place where she thinks she has the upper

hand in this, in this particular argument? She was saying she was like, it was to Josh Hawley and she was like, so you're saying that trans men don't exist because trans men is like, it's a woman who identifies as a man who sells a uterus and can have a child. And he was saying, I think his response, either he avoided it or he was like, no. No, that's not what I'm saying. And this is what you were talking about earlier about like, okay, the GOP needs to anchor themselves on reality and not play their games.

No, the answer to that question is yes. The answer to that question is yes. Yeah, no, I don't believe that they exist because what is a trans man or a trans woman? No, I believe that there are men, there are women that's determined at conception. Of course, that's what I believe. Right. And so I think, again, that's just the GOP. like they allow them, I'm not saying Josh Hawley, but I'm just saying some Republicans in general just kind of like allow themselves to be manipulated by the language games of the left when really you kind of need to call their bluff.

Because what they're doing is they're saying they're trying to bait you by saying, are you really going to admit that you're this horrible of a person? And I'm like, really what I want to say, and this is what I think DeSantis does well, I don't care about your definition of horrible. I've seen what you applaud. I don't care if you boo me. Right. I hope that you do. In fact, if you crazy person are cheering me on, I got to reevaluate everything about my life. Yeah.

I'll give an example, right? And you're right, in terms of characterizing conservatives, I wish some of them would just pull the mic closer and say, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, right? Exactly. Men cannot have babies. But I was watching something on BT the other night. It was Vice President Harris. She was at Howard University.

I live in Maryland, so I work close to Howard. and it was a town hall on quote unquote reproductive rights because again if there's two things that the left wants is terms and territory they want the dictionary and they want the institution so everything is a euphemism so reproductive rights and 90% women in the crowd a few smattering you know smattering the guys and at one point as is always the case the conversation turns to well what role should men play in this how can they be better allies and i tweeted about it And I said, like, she wants guys to, to know why they should be on board with, you know, killing their own offspring, so on and so forth. And a professor of Africana Studies at Howard University responded to me and he said something to the effect of.

So are you saying that when a woman is impregnated and I'm just like, see, we're starting off on the wrong foot, doc. I don't speak like this. I don't speak in passive language and, you know, that she. she doesn't, that she does not not have a right to decide what to do with her pregnancy. And I was just like, what is he talking about? But a big part of it is there are people who have a lot of education who think that they are God, that they can define reality ex nihilo. They think that their words sort of determine our reality.

And it's one of these things where I see that. type of thing. And my response to him was very, very simple. Let me, let me see if I, if, if, if I have it. Um, he said, uh, I'm sorry, I should, I should have had to pull up, um, but, that's okay. If you, if you get it, you can. Yeah. He said, just so I'm clear. You support making sure that after being impregnated, a woman doesn't have a right not to be pregnant. Yes. My gosh. Because to be clear, that's what we're talking about here. And I say, I believe intentionally ending the life of a child is wrong, regardless of the manner of conception or stage of development. I don't know what right not to be pregnant means.

If you're saying a woman has a right to kill her baby, I'd appreciate it if you said so clearly. Yeah. That's always my response. Isn't it so funny how I noticed that when a lot of politicians, activists, professors, academics, but just progresses in general, typically when they say to be clear, they are speaking in the most unclear terms. Like they will be like, to be clear, you are not not saying that men who identify as trans femme have a right to not be pregnant. Like, what are you even saying? They'll say to be clear or they'll say something totally ridiculous that is very open ended and at the end they'll say full stop. I'm like, actually like I have a response to that.

Right. Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about these, speaking about abortion and then I want to talk a little bit about Georgia. and Stacey Abrams. But so abortion propositions or abortion proposals in the state of Michigan, in the state of Kentucky, and then also in the state of California. In the state of Michigan, it was Proposal 3. Basically guarantee constituents in the state of Michigan would have a right to, there's this euphemism again, reproductive freedom.

So the state basically is allowing through all nine months for any reason women to be able to abort their children. They're making sure that it is a right that basically cannot be infringed upon in any way. And also there are some implications about like apparently how minors are able to use this right to receive different kinds. of gender quote unquote treatments and so there are going to be a lot of implications to this all of them destruction and that passed in michigan 55 percent where also gretchen whitmer won her re-election campaign i mean we are talking about the woman who made it illegal for a period of time during covid for people to buy their own seed to be able to plant their gardens she won re-election so that's a little bit troubling in the state of michigan

and I mean really troubling to the state of Michigan. And then we got in Kentucky the constitutional amendment two, no right to abortion. So this was an amendment in Kentucky saying there's no constitutional right to abortion, protecting the life of unborn children, which of course is righteous. That did not pass. The margin was a little slimmer. 52% said no. 47% said yes.

So again, another tragedy. And then, of course, in the state of California where we are, not surprised at all. It's completely gone to degeneracy. Prop one, which again, like Michigan, guaranteed this right to reproductive freedom. And we know because Gavin Newsom has said this, that California has become, in the most dystopian, subversive sense, a sanctuary state, not just for things like abortion, but also minors who want surgery and who want procedures to attempt to do the impossible. And that has changed. their gender, something that I've written about.

Maybe you wrote about it too. John McArthur wrote to Gavin Newsom about this. He put out those billboards to women in red states saying, hey, you can come here and abort your baby and used a Bible verse. Love your neighbor as yourself to, in order to do that. I mean, talk about like a hard, heart. Talk about like God giving someone over to the apple. absolute depravity of their mind.

And so, like, this, I know we don't want to get, like, depressed today. Mm-hmm. But it's really difficult for me to understand, especially people who profess to be Christians. They look at propositions and proposals like this. They vote for the unfettered right to dismember and to poison, to brutally murder, image bearers inside the womb. And, like, I don't know. what more we as pro-lifers can do to show people how disgusting this is.

We're already showing up at the pregnancy centers every day. We're already trying to give all of our time, energy and resources to parents who are in crisis to help them carry their baby. We are already trying to show people what abortion is. And still we have people who are just completely given over. I mean, how does this happen? How it happens, I think to piggyback on a phrase coined by Andrew Breitbart, who said that politics is downstream from culture. Yeah.

But I think that culture is downstream from worship or from religion. From, yeah, religion. So I think the culture you get is reflective of the dominant belief system among a particular people. The dominant theology. Right. So when you see people vote for these things, you should. you should assume one of two things. One, some are ignorant and don't know.

And a small eye ignorant. I'm not saying, oh, they're stupid. They just don't know. Yeah. They're voting on things or they're voting for candidates and they just don't know. But the second one is that their vote is a reflection of their values. And it's unfortunate. But I think, again, starting from, you know, the second wave feminism on, the notion that a child has rights, that like,

has inherent worth, not conditional worth, is one that many Americans functionally do not believe. Now, a lot of people try to split the difference and say, well, I'm personally pro-life, but I don't think the government should regulate. And that's nonsense because part of what the government does is regulate under what circumstances one person can take the life of another person. You can't do it if it's murder. You can do it if it's self-defense. And that's part of what a government is supposed to do.

But I think one way that the pro-life movement can show people, and I, and that's the word you use is actually to show people. And this would be, it would be stomach turning. It wouldn't be pleasant. But I've written before and one of them, I write twice a week for the blaze now. So I've, I've forgotten more things than I've actually written.

But I liken what pro-life was doing now to a second abolitionist movement. And one of the things that shocked a conscience, I think then and certainly now, as it relates to the first abolitionist movement, is seeing the destruction that slavery wrought. There's an image. I don't know what the man's name is,

but a lot of people have seen his image. It's a black and white image. A man is, he's backing the camera. Yes, I know what you're talking about. And his back has just been ripped apart by lashings and whippings. If people were to see what, you know, a dismembered baby looked like, Again, it's not something that we want to see.

Yeah. And it would probably be, you know, tear-inducing. But that's the only way for people to get what we're talking about. And I know that this can be effective because I remember, you know, when I was a freshman many moons ago on college campus, you know, you'll have different groups that come around and they'll table and say, you know, join the, you know, college robotics club. And the college vegans were showing videos of how the chicken, gets from the farm to your table. Yeah. And that's one of the ways that vegans try to recruit people.

I said, look, do you see how brutal, you know, it is, you know, for pigs and cows and for you to eat meat? And I think if people really saw what an abortion is and what it does, they wouldn't be able to hide behind the euphemisms. Because right now that's exactly what we do. And going back to the example I gave, that professor that I talked about, who was a professor of African-Astom. cities. He once went on a different show. Um, and he like, after Texas passed their abortion

bill, I think it was the ban after six weeks. He likened black women who left Texas for other states to get abortions to, um, Harriet Tubman in the Underground Railroad. Yeah. This is, this is how sick and depraved some of these people are. Right. And, and I know this is one of these things. And because, generally speaking, you know, black Americans vote 90% for Democrats. Where the party goes, generally speaking, the black community is not far behind. I do not understand why there aren't more black folk. And there's a growing contingent. Trust me, we'll take a step back and say, why is there all all of the pro-black organizations,

the NWACP, the Urban League, the National Action Network, and so on and so forth? why are all these organizations so rabidly pro-abortion? Anything else that has a disproportionate impact on black people, on, you know, black lives and the black body, as they like to say, or any organization that has a history of racism, particularly with a racist founder, they don't want anything to do with except Planned Parenthood and except when it comes to abortion.

So it is baffling to me. Yeah. And I think part of why this is, and this is across the board, is when the family disintegrates, when fathers are not in their rightful place, other institutions fill that vacuum. And I think if we want to, you know, so to speak, take the country back, that's going to mean a revival,

particularly in the church and a revival in the family. And that is something that no politician can give you. because again, at bet, you know the left is not, they don't talk about marriage and nuclear family at all. That's not a part of their platform. And the right is very squishy. And they may, they may agree with us. You know, dads are important.

Marriage is important. Sure. And then two minutes later, they're signing some bill to legalize commercial surrogacy. Exactly. Yeah. So they're not going to give it to us. This is something that, again, we have to address worship, our faith, our religious life and then hopefully see that downstream impact on the culture and then on the

people that we elect to represent us. Yeah. And by the way, because I hear this argument from Black activists, you know, Kamala Harris, Stacey Abrams saying that it's, it's a matter of equality for black women. It's a matter of economic opportunity for them to be able to have access to abortion. Therefore, it's racist to be against abortion. Look, if abortion, was helpful to the black community, it would have helped. The disparities are still there. They're not closing. Fatherlessness is still a problem.

Heavy and disproportionate crime is still a problem. The economic disparities still a problem. And the abortion rate has been disproportionately high among black women for decades now. So if abortion was accomplishing, not saying that it would be justified, even if it did. But if abortion was accomplishing all the things that Stacey Abrams and those people said that it was going to accomplish for like the liberation and equality and prosperity of black people, it would have done it a long time ago. All you're doing is decimating your community and you're doing it in the name of love and justice. It's hard to understand how people don't see that it's the exact opposite. And you were talking about that professor.

And I was just thinking like, yes, we do show we do show the brutality of abortion. I absolutely think, like, when I get emails from people saying, wow, I became pro-life, like listening to this episode, it is always the episode in which, yes, of course, I'm trying to use logic to get people to say, like, see, you're against murder of other humans. Why are you against murder of this human just because she's small? That's a really arbitrary standard. But also, when I describe what an abortion is, when I use abortionist words like Leroy Carhart to explain what the procedure is exactly. what it does, simply from an objective, factual, scientific perspective, people say, wow, I did not know or I did not want to know. That's the thing.

But then, okay, there's this other group, an increasing group of people who know in PR, Delano played a few days before the election. This is how brazen they are, that they know that people are just so taken over by their wickedness that they can play this on left-wing NPR and people will still vote for this. They played the audio of an abortion, of the woman screaming, of the baby being sucked out of the mother's uterus, killed this little living human being, the nurses in the room while this woman was getting an abortion, the NPR played cheering this woman on, saying you're doing a good job.

I mean, demonic, NPR played this thinking that, well, this is going to, I don't know. they thought work in our favor, people heard that. They still went out and they still said, yes, that is a right. I am going to vote for that. They're professing Christians who went out and they voted for that after hearing it, after seeing it, who have seen the broken bodies of these babies and still go out and vote for it. And that is because, I mean, Romans won. people have been given over to the depravity of their mind.

They have ears, they don't hear. They have eyes. They don't see. They are completely in submission to the father of lies who cannot tell the truth. That is the only explanation really that I have. But, I mean, it's the same thing like what you were saying. There were people who owned slaves. There were people who knew other people who owned slaves who saw those scars,

who saw the brutality. and who would say that they were Christians, who would say that everyone's made in the image of God, they saw that brutality and they still said, no, I'm going to defend it. Yeah. So, I mean, it's, there's so much there. And again, you mentioned Stacey Abrams and I've seen numerous black pastors.

There's one pastor in Atlanta, actually, who after the Dobbs decision came down, he had a monologue and talked about how. when women put their mind to something, they'll accomplish anything, because he's talking about, you know, getting a quote unquote abortion rights back. And then 10 minutes later,

they did a baby dedication. Because they don't make the connection between these two things. And it really is, and I'm going to be transparent. Do it. It grieves me to see where so many black churches

have come to, the place that they've come to, It's not all. It's the ones that think that the greatest bondage in this world is income inequality. And for them, the gospel is social justice, right? It's that line, that line of churches. Because they're completely sold out to the left. But I also know how you get there.

I was raised in church my entire life. And an earlier point of my life. And I won't say when, because I don't. I want to, for lack of a term, implicate anybody in the situation. So I only speak from my perspective. I made that same choice. I was being irresponsible in terms of sex. And I didn't feel like I was ready to be a dad.

But it was a lot there. It was all about me, what I wanted, what I wanted to do, what I was ready for and not ready for. and I, you know, paid for an abortion. And the woman at the time was, it wasn't coercion or anything like that. But this notion that, oh, women have abortions and then they just go back to life as normal, that wasn't the experience that I had at all. Yeah. It had an effect.

It had a significant effect. I didn't realize the effect that it had on me until I got married and we had our first kid. And my wife gave, like many women do, she gave that gift that every husband wants, gave me a box and I opened it. And it was a pregnancy test. And I was ecstatic. And I went to, my wife and I worked in the same building for a period of time. We both worked for D.C. government. I was on the fifth floor.

She was on the second floor. So I went to every OBGYN appointment, right? Every sonogram. I was there. And then it hit me. I said, we're at a similar stage now with our first child as I was back then. And I had to repent of that. And one of the reasons why I'm so passionate about family and life and these issues is because I see everything that I have not.

particularly as it relates to family, my wife and our three kids, as a grace of God. I don't deserve any of it. Yeah. None of it. I deserve judgment and that's it. Yeah. And so I'm of two minds. It's just like sometimes I'll say things and I'll say, oh, you're being a hypocrite.

But it's like, no, I'm not being, I'm acknowledging my sin. Yeah. But I'm also saying thank you, God, for being a. a gracious and merciful God. Yeah. And that you didn't hold this against me and say, you know what? If that's how you want to treat, you know, someone created in my image, I'm going to close up your loin and make you sterile and make you think about the decision

you made at a previous period of your life. So I thank God that he didn't do that to me. And that's one of the reasons why I feel so passionate about this. Yeah. Um, it, yes, part of it is, is, you know, it's the politics. People sort of come at this on a political thing and it's arguing over was Margaret Sanger or eugenicist or not. Was she racist or not? And it's like, the abortion thing for me is not, it's not a, it's not a racism issue. I'll speak the language that I know people speak because if I don't, I know it'll be like

the Tower of Babel. But really, this is, this goes back to, to our creator. Um, and I didn't think that way when I was younger. And honestly, I didn't even think that way. even after I got older and after I got married, I didn't make those connections. And part of this goes, again, goes back to the church, black, white, Chinese or candy stripe, just the church in general. If people are not being disciple properly,

if pastors are too afraid to address these, as you said, these genesis issues because they don't want to be seen as being partisan, you're going to turn out members, members of the flock who can't make sense of these things and all they'll do is just take in political rhetoric

and think that all of these battles on a political level but they're not because you can't tell me that we slaughter, you know, since we're old 60 million babies and that not have an effect on our country if life doesn't have inherent value

in the womb, why would we think that people are going to see that it has value outside of the womb right so you raised an issue in terms of abortion in the black community a lot of people and it pains me to say this their response to you would be well ali all of these things would be worse if many of those babies were born because right now in our political culture there's the notion that being born poor is worse than not being born than being killed and i don't know how we got there right

I really and you know this because you know the history of these things abortion used to be a white middle class woman issue this was

well you know I got an abortion because I got a job opportunity to write for the Atlantic and I want to be able to take it and so on and so forth but now for the last five years every time they mention abortion

they always pulling black women into it and these bands are going to have a disproportionate impact on black women. I'm saying to myself, so are you saying that more black children being born is white supremacy? Is that where we're going with this? Yeah. So last time I was here, I talked about chocolate-cover Marxism. I still believe in that because that is what it is. But it pains me to see how the people in my community allow themselves to be used for someone else's agenda. And if there's one thing, and we talked a little bit yesterday, you know, in terms of my new position, I'm out of

D.C. government. I'm with the Heritage Foundation. Research fellow in the Center for Life, Religion and Family. Couldn't pick a better place. If there is one thing that I want to do before God takes me off the battlefield, it is to fight with everything I have, both for the restoration of the family and God's definition of family, but particular interests. on the black family. Yeah. Because there are a lot of issues there. Again, many of which are reflective in other parts of society.

But you can't, Ali, you can't have conversations about generational wealth if 60% of kids live with a single mom. Yeah. Doesn't make sense. Yeah. You can't address wealth if you don't address composition of the family. Mm-hmm. So I have some plans. Yeah.

And there's some things that I want to do. Yeah. because this thing has to turn around because if not, you know, you're going to have like a small, a very small sort of black upper class elite, a medium size middle class. And in 40 years, there's going to be a huge surf class because nobody's going to be able to survive without government help. So I don't want to make it all this heavy, but I think about all of these. things in a particular way for a particular reason and I can't divorce my personal experience and it actually motivates me even more to say I was wrong when I did this don't make the same mistake that I did yeah right value life there's nothing wrong with I know guys who were 40

and have 20 year old kids right there's nothing wrong there's nothing to be ashamed of you you chose life to bring that child into the world and to raise them. So yeah, I just, I wanted to say that because there are three things I'd say to the Democratic Party sells. These are their products. Abortion, everything having to do with LGBT and to a lesser extent climate change. All the other things, jobs, minimum wage, so on and so on and so. so forth, those things are their expenses. If you look at politics like a business, a company has

products and it has expenses. So there are things that they pay for in order to sell you what it is that you pay them for. And they sell economics, they sell, and particularly the black community, they sell racial justice, quote unquote. And to the extent that black voters buy that, what we end up getting in return are those three things. Yeah. And that's why, um, Governor DeSantis had the, quote-unquote, anti-CRT bill, right? Mm-hmm. Nobody spent, the NWACP didn't take to the airways. BT didn't take to the airwaves and say, we must say CRT.

It was only the parental rights bill that got framed as don't say gay, where it was politicians, it was entertainers or the Grammys. It was people on ESPN who interrupted games to say, we're doing this to stand in solidarity. All right, guys, we've got an upbeat. in-depth and Christ-focused analysis of the midterm elections and the state of our country on Relatable today. And we've got something a little bit different for you. My colleague, Delano Squires, will be a sort of co-host today on Relatable sharing his analysis. I know that you are going to

love this discussion. It's going to encourage you. It's going to edify you. Delano has a lot of great insight and we just kind of went back and forth as Christians on what we think not just about the election last night the goods and the bads because there were bads but also just in general about how we view the state that we're in the phase that we're in in an American society as believers and so I just I just know that you are going to love this episode I have a feeling about it. Delano, thanks so much for joining for my post-election coverage. We've got a lot to talk about today.

How are you feeling? Just in general. I feel fine, honestly. Yeah. And I think honestly, this is one of the benefits of, and I hate to say this way, a benefit, but I don't put my trust in politicians. Yeah. I voted. I exercised my civic duty.

And I feel... You feel fine. I feel fine. Yeah. So we were doing election coverage last night for Blaze TV. And in the end, everyone kind of shared their final thoughts in our semicircle. And one after another, I mean, this is, I mean, I'm not saying anything negative about my colleagues whose analysis I find like really insightful and compelling. But they were all really depressed and discouraged.

It sounded like, especially my friend Steve Days, who was here yesterday, who, again, is one of, I think, the best political analysts out there. And I was like, dang, I must be. missing something because while obviously I talk a lot about politics and culture, I'm not someone who sits and looks at the data coming in every day and has been paying attention very closely to all of the polling. But I'm looking at a couple things. The reason why I'm not like super depressed today, a few things, one, because of what Delano said, I don't put my trust, my hope, my joy in politicians. Also, this is the day that the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it.

Yes. Hebrews 138, Jesus Christ, is the same yesterday, today, and forever. And he's already won. So that victory is sure. One day there will be no more politics. But then also on a political level, because of course I do care about the state of our country. I do care about the direction that we go in. As we so often say, politics matter because policy matters because people matter.

People are affected by policies and elections and things like that. So I do care. On that level, we had some great victories last night. Like, I'm really glad that Beto O'Rourke did not win as the governor of Texas. I'm really glad that Stacey Abrams was defeated. And, man, I am really glad at the incredible victory that Governor DeSantis had. And that's not just a Republican victory. All right.

We kind of expect Kim to win. We kind of expect Abbott to win. But, and yes, of course, we expected DeSantis to win. But if we look back to 2018, when he was running against a hard left progressive, Andrew Gillum, and he won by only 50,000 votes, people really didn't think he was going to win because Florida was. And in some ways, I guess you could stay still, still is like a purple state. I mean, he has transformed the state by running on the issues that he knows that people care about and getting out front before. any other Republican governor will and say, no, you know what? We're not doing the vaccine mandates and we're not doing the quote unquote gender confirmation surgery for kids. Yeah, we're going to have the health department that talks about the dangers of that,

that talks about the dangers of the vaccine. We are not going to allow this gender ideology to dominate schools for little children. And we're actually willing to take privileges away from the biggest corporation in Florida who is working against good curriculum in schools and working against parental rights in schools. He ran on that that a lot of people thought was radical, a lot of people thought was too far right, a lot of people thought was controversial,

and he transformed the state of Florida. Not only that has transformed much of the country because he has been so bold and that. So I know that was a long answer, but because of all of that, like, I also feel kind of positive. What do you think? Yeah, I mean, I think your point about Governor DeSantis is spot on. One of the other things he did is he built a solid ground game because I believe, and I may not have all the numbers correct, but basically when he came into office, Democrats outnumbered Republicans in terms of registered voters.

And now I think they may be up by 100,000 or 200,000 Republican registered voters versus Democrats. So it's the combination of that political. infrastructure and being right on the issues. And one of the things that I think we've gotten used to as an American public is our leaders who don't really lead. They're weather vane leaders. It's just they put their finger in the wind. They see which way it's blowing.

And then they say, okay, I'll just go with the crowd because it's safety in numbers. Yeah. But when he stood against the jab and Dr. Fauci, he was really taking a serious political risk. And it's paid off because unfortunately, everybody in the country got COVID. Yeah. Whether you were jabed or not jab, you got COVID. And the difference is some states and some governors and some local officials kept kids out of school, fire people from their jobs, some of whom, like the nurses and the first responders, were heroes the year before. Yeah.

And now they're villains that want to kill your grandma and your newborn. and governor dissentist didn't do that and he has he has health authorities that do not just blindly follow Washington and I think there's something to be respected and commended about that type of leadership yeah and he was willing to wade into the LGBTQ issue and most Republicans are not scared they're so scared I mean one of the biggest lies that we saw was the so called don't say gay bill which was literally just saying, hey, if you're a public school teacher that teaches kindergartners through third graders,

and we're talking, you know, five to nine-year-olds, don't teach them that they can switch their genders. Right. Don't teach them about sex. I mean, if we even just like try to explain the need for the legislation like that to someone from five to 10 years ago, they would be like, why do you even need a law like that?

But now not only do we need that law, but we actually have an entire media apparatus, an entire political party, at least the politicians, maybe not the entire base, saying that that's bad. That that's bad. No, actually teachers should be able to teach five-year-olds

that one day they can be chemically castrated and that Jack can become Sally. Right. And I mean, this, to me, the legislation, it didn't even go as far as like what it could one day and what it should one day. It'd be a lot different if you and I were writing it. Right.

Yeah. We'd say, no. Get it out of it. never ever ever ever but i mean it was a great piece of legislation and i think because of its like limitation from kindergarten through third grade it actually showed just how radical right they are on this that they are so keen the democrats are so keen to introduce your five-year-old i mean a baby basically into queer theory that they are willing to malign a governor for it so he was one of to go into the LGBTQ issue.

And I think a lot of governors, a lot of Republicans, even if they did do something like Governor DeSantis, when they were pressured by the press, they would say, they would defend themselves by saying something like, well, you know, I'm not anti-gay. No, I'm not homophobic or transphobic, you know, basically use their framing,

Democrats framing to defend themselves. And that's one thing I love about DeSantis is that he doesn't do this. Right. He's like, no, I reject your premise entire. And I'm not even responding to that accusation because you're lying. Goodbye. Right. And there is a lesson to be learned there for Republicans. You know, when we saw after Dobbs, you had 47, I think, House Republicans sign on to what me and my colleagues call the disrespect for marriage act in Congress.

It just shows how weak they are on this issue. And I think ultimately, and it's something you talk about all the time. And I think many Christians, particularly, you know, Bible-believing Christians understand this. most of our issues in our political culture are not political issues. They're worldview issues. And one thing that the Republicans have been able to do to this point is generally speaking, get to the right destination. But they're not clear on their path. So I've seen, for instance, you know, draft legislation that says something to the effect of, or if a school wants to,

if a child wants to transition genders in the school, the school has to notify the parents first. And I'm like, okay, I get the parental authority piece, but we should plant our flag firmly in the ground. Oh, yeah. Sex is determined at the point of conception and remains unchanged throughout all of natural life. Period.

Period. Then you can start and say, if a child exhibit symptoms of gender dysphoria, that child should have access to counseling or so on and so on and so forth. forth. And then you get to the last piece, which is, um, you know, any conversation around X, Y, and Z in the school has to be had with the parent first. But Republicans just get to, they go straight to parental authority. Yeah. Um, we want boys out of girls sports. Okay. So let's say

you get boys out of girls sports. What does that mean? Can, can the school still teach that boys can become girls? Yeah. So, so I think there's an unwillingness to really fight and recap sure the territory that the left is taken. And as the left continues to move left, the right is going to continue to move left, unless there are people who are willing to say, to your point, I reject this premise, I reject this worldview. This is what I believe. This is what I stand on. And this is why I believe it. Yeah. And I'm curious what you think about this theory, because it's something that I've noticed about myself. And I have started to see some people on the right do this too. So we've got the transgenderism thing, it's gotten more absurd than I think anyone could have ever imagined when we're

talking about 12-year-olds in some cases getting a double mastectomy because they're confused for a period of time about their body. I mean, I don't even think if 10 years ago we were trying to write a dystopian novel about like where this progressive sexual revolution would go. I don't even think that our minds could have gone there. And yet here we are. That's something that is happening in the United States. And it seems to me that as we've seen the absurdity of how far the sexual revolution has gone, it has caused some people on the conservative side who maybe previously didn't see a problem with a Bergafel, didn't see a problem with the whole quote unquote gay marriage thing,

didn't really see a problem with the love is love. How does that affect me? No big deal. And, you know, whatever. We'll just kind of let that one go. So it's forcing them to kind of back up and to say, okay, we got to the point to where we've got teenage boys being chemically castrated and going on cross-sex hormones. And we've got an entire political party that is pushing that.

How did we get here? Because that didn't happen in a vacuum. And I'm just wondering if that absurdity and that extremism will actually cause people to become more conservative on the things that they've done. should have conserved a while ago like marriage because they're starting to see oh this is where the sexual revolution has gone all right where did this come into play did it come into play when transgenderism started no it was before that okay did it come into play when a burghapel started yeah because that's basically like saying men and women are interchangeable too so it's on the same premise

well where did that come from and then looking at the ideology of feminism and looking at the sexual revolution that started all the way back in the 60s and 70s. So I'm wondering if the radicalism of the left can actually move some people on the right to the right because you're kind of realizing where all of this craziness came from. It's not enough to just go back a few years. We got to go back a lot further than that if we want to correct this. I do think there's that potential. And I think you'll see this more on a local level first.

I mean, you see groups of parents from all across the country and now from different faiths, including, you know, Muslim parents in Michigan who are saying we don't want our kids being taught this gender ideology nonsense, right? So I do think that there are people who are, who may not think of themselves as conservatives, but who say the left is just going too far. They're too radical on some of these issues. And this is where people who think like this sort of lose the plot. they think that they can say, oh, I'm okay with gay marriage, same-sex marriage, but I'm not with transgenderism, right? I'm okay with abortion up until 15 weeks, but not 20 weeks. And, you know, so they think that these are just a bunch of discrete points that are in,

you know, sort of floating in this, in this circle. whereas I think we would say no these are all points on a continuum so you start one place and you end up the next place and I've been thinking about this I think one of the downsides of moving and this is going to seem like a completely unrelated point but I'm going to try to tie it in

one of the downsides of moving from an agricultural society to a technical and industrial society is that people forget how nature works they forget that nature has a nature and when you sow, you reap, but you reap later and you reap greater. And we are reaping things that were sown, as you said, decades ago. And I didn't even get all of it, right?

Of course. I've often said if the root of feminism is going to be pulled out of the country's ground, it'll be harder to get it out of some men than some women. Because I think a lot of women understand, this is a raw deal, right? I work 40, 45, 50 hours on the job. and then I still come home and I have basically all the domestic responsibilities. This doesn't feel like empowerment to me. I give my body to guys.

They say that this is sexual empowering. So why is it? I'm always the one that's crying the next night, the next morning, right? And it's one of these things where we sold those things, abolishing the differences between male and female. Assuming that, you know, again, marriage is just between two people. people. It's not even a man. And to be fair, this didn't start with a Bergerfeld. You know, a lot of people say this started with no fault divorce.

Exactly. We're going back further and further into things that we didn't even think about, like I wasn't thinking about like no fault divorce 10 years ago. But now honestly, the transgenderism issue has made me think about those things because I am going back to where did this start and where do we need to go to correct the course. Yeah. And and the thing is people vote for these things and even some Christians. And I'll, I'll tell on myself, in 2012, I was going to a totally different type of church. I didn't use terms like biblical worldview. Yeah. I voted when the state of Maryland had, you know, a referendum on so-called same-sex marriage. I voted for it because I thought, well, it's just two adults. It's private matter. If a man and a woman can get married,

why can't, you know, a man and a man or a woman or a woman? What's the difference? Why is the government involved? I was ignorant. Yeah. And even. even though I was going to church and I would call myself a Christian, I didn't have a biblical worldview. Yeah. And I think a lot of believers suffer from that. Yeah. They operate as if their faith is one room in a larger house that they own.

Yeah. They only go into that room on Sundays, maybe on Wednesday if they go to Bible study. But other than that, their finances are in a different room, how they approach politics in a different room, how they approach relationships is in a different room. And I think as I matured in my faith, it's just like, no, God owns this house. Yeah. All of it. Yep.

So everything I engage in, whether it's relationships and, you know, finances and politics, I have to filter through that biblical lens. And if you don't have that, unless it's possible to not have that and still stay firm, but that's extremely difficult. Yeah. Because there are very few things that any person, particularly on the left, believes now that they won't abandon in four years if the majority of the population moves in a different direction. Yeah, or even just that like very powerful minority of people that kind of emotionally extorts you

into agreeing with them. We'll get back into the election in just a second, but going off of what you said about this biblical worldview, that is something that I've, another change or another shift that I have had in my own life over the past few years. Again, just this like the craziness of our culture making me go back further and further to think about like what do I need to uproot in my own mind that led me a few years ago. I would have said that well, yeah, I'm pro life, but you know, in cases of rape and incest, I'm okay with that. I probably wouldn't have made a stand against what you called legal same-sex mirage. I just I wouldn't have either because I would have had the.

the same kind of mentality or I would have at least been scared to say anything about it. But I've really, I mean, partly because of my job, had to really think about why I believe, what I believe, and I've just realized that everything really does go back to Genesis 1. And on those issues, like, I'm very thankful. I had Christians in my audience who, when I would say these things, like I said something about being for abortion exceptions a few years ago. And someone in my audience just kind of kindly called me out and was like, you know, why should we discriminate against people because of the circumstances surrounding their

conception? And I was like, whoa. So you never, I mean, you really never know what questions you ask to someone that makes them change their mind. But anyway, it just made me realize, because I also used to be someone who said, you know what, you don't need to bring religion into the conversation when you're talking about gender or when you're talking about abortion. And you don't always have to, but I kind of probably would have said, well, I can explain

my position on abortion from a purely secular standpoint or gender. And you can. But at the end of the day, it's really not enough. What you are appealing to when you try to convince someone without like citing the word of God, hey, we shouldn't abort people because killing human beings is bad and people in the womb are human beings. Most people, Christian or not, in the United States, would agree that it's bad to kill human beings. When you say, hey, I don't think that we should be chopping off the genitalia of, you know, of people in general, but especially kids, because they can't really consent to that.

You are appealing to an assumption that a lot of Americans have that human beings matter and that children are protected class. the unspoken premise, though, in that argument is that people are made in the image of God. Right. And even if someone, a secular person in the United States would not explicitly say, yes, people are made in the image of God, every conversation that we have about human rights, every conversation that we have about morality is based on that unspoken premise in the West. if you do not have a God who gave you an alienable rights and that the government should not and cannot take away because the government did not give us those rights, then that is the only thing that really makes the abortion debate makes sense. Right. That's really the only thing that makes the gender and genital mutilation debate makes sense from our perspective because science can tell you when life begins. Science cannot tell you why that life.

matters. Science can tell you that we are, that we are sexually dimorphic beings. Science cannot tell you why that reality matters more than a person's feelings. Right. The only thing that can tell us that, the only thing that can tell us why the life matters when life begins, why feelings do not trump biology is that someone created us that way. There is a God who created us, who defined us, who says what we are. There is an authority that tells us those things. Outside of that, when we're talking about human value and human rights and right and wrong and morality and like the evil of like violence and things like that, people don't realize we are all operating under the assumption that human. beings are not clumps of cells.

Yeah, yeah. That we are made in the image of God. So I've actually found that, yes, I will go back to theology. I will go back to the Bible. And I actually find it very illogical and irrational to not go back to the Bible. When you're defending the definition of marriage, when you're defending the value of life, when you're defending the reality and the importance of, you know, gender biology. You really have to.

You really have to. Science and logic and philosophy can only get you so far. Yeah. And I think what is being exposed is that for the better part of certainly this country's history, we all had an assumed foundation to your point. And you never had to argue it because it was just assumed. I've said this to people before. Like when I was in high school and I was taking.

I can't remember whatever math class I was taking with algebra or trigonometry, whatever it is. And at certain times where you're using a theorem to solve a particular problem. And at that age, the teacher would always say, don't worry about trying to understand the theorem. Just use it. When you get to a different stage, when you get to calculus one or calculus two, then it'll be explained to you. And we have been using sort of, you know, building arguments on that biblical worldview. on that framework that says that the designer is the definer. Like, we are created beings with inherent worth and value.

And all of our arguments prior, again, a couple years ago, were built on that assumption. And you never had to, you didn't have to ask, well, why do you think only women can have babies? Like, why? But now you do. Yeah. And what happens is, you know, the foundations of our entire structure have been shaken.

And some people are seeing there were. through it. I think for people like you and I, it is, the last five years have been so clarifying for me. And as the world has grown darker, I see my faith shining brighter. And I'm bolder. Yeah. Me too. I'm more willing to bring the Bible into arguments. I would, when I was, when I was writing for the root in the grillo, that probably wasn't going to happen. I may, I may reference faith in a general sense, but in terms of the foundation of an argument that I was making, that probably wasn't going to happen. So I think as things have continued to crumble around us,

like you remember a few months ago, the college professor, you know, she was in a congressional hearing, and she was going back and forth with Senator Hawley. And she said, well, do you believe that men can get pregnant? And she was all smug. And he was like, no, no, I don't. Oh, you don't? Oh, what kind of person are you?

And I was just like, how did we get to this place where she thinks she has the upper hand in this in this particular argument she was saying she was like it was to josh holly and she was like so you're saying that trans men don't exist because trans men is like it's a woman who identifies as a man who sells a uterus and can have a child and he he was saying i think his response either he avoided it or he was like no that's not what i'm saying and this is what you were talking about earlier about like okay the gop needs to anchor themselves right on reality and not play their games. No, the answer to that question is yes. The answer to that question is yes. Yes. No, I don't believe that they exist because what is a trans man or a trans woman? No, I believe

that there are men, there are women that's determined at conception. Of course, that's what I believe. And so I think, again, that's just the GOP. Like, they allow them, I'm not saying Josh Hawley, but I'm just saying some Republicans in general just kind of like allow themselves to be manipulated by the language games of the left. When really, you kind of need to call their bluff because what they're doing is they're saying they're trying to bait you by saying are you really going to admit that you're this horrible of a person and I'm like really what I want to say and this is what I think DeSantis does well I don't care about your definition of horrible I've seen what you applaud right I don't care if you boo me right I hope that you do in fact if you crazy

person are cheering me on I got to reevaluate everything about my life yeah I'll give an example right And you're right in terms of characterizing conservatives, I wish some of them would just pull the mic closer and say, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Exactly. Men cannot have babies. But I was watching something on BT the other night. It was Vice President Harris. She was at Howard University. I live in Maryland.

So, you know, I work close to Howard. And it was a town hall on quote unquote reproductive rights. Because, again, if there's two things that the left wants, it's terms and territory. They want the dictionary and they want the institution. So everything is a euphemism. So reproductive rights. And 90% women in the crowd, a few smattering, you know, smattering their guys. And at one point, as is always the case, the conversation turns to, well, what role

should men play in this? How can they be better allies? And I tweeted about it. And I said, like, she wants guys to know why they should be on board with, you know, killing their own offspring, so on and so forth. And a professor of. of Africana Studies at Howard University responded to me

and he said something to the effect of so are you saying that when a woman is impregnated and I'm just like, see, we start off on from the wrong foot dock. I don't speak like this. I don't speak in passive language and, you know, that she doesn't, that she does not have a right to decide

what to do with her pregnancy? And I was just like, what is he talking about? But a big part of it, is there are people who have a lot of education who think that they are God, that they can define reality ex nihilo. They think that their words sort of determine our reality

and is one of these things where I see that type of thing. And my response to him was very simple. And let me see if I have it. He said, I'm sorry. I should have had to pull up. That's okay.

If you get it, you can. Yeah, he said, just on clear, you support making sure that after being impregnated, a woman doesn't have a right not to be pregnant. Yes. My gosh. Because to be clear, that's what we're talking about here. And I said, I believe intentionally ending the life of a child is wrong, regardless of the manner of conception or stage of development.

I don't know what right not to be pregnant means. If you're saying a woman has a right to kill her baby, I'd appreciate it if you said so clearly. Yeah. That's always my response. Isn't it so funny how I noticed that when a lot of politicians, activists, professors, academics, but just progresses in general, typically when they say to be clear, they are speaking in the most unclear terms. Like they will be like, to be clear, you are not not saying that men who identify as trans femme have a right to not. Do not be pregnant. Like, what are you even saying?

They'll say, to be clear, or they'll say something totally ridiculous that is very open-ended. And at the end, they'll say full stop. I'm like, actually, like, I have a response to that. Right. Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about these, speaking about abortion. And then I want to talk a little bit about Georgia and Stacey Abrams. But so abortion propositions or abortion proposals in the state of Michigan, in the state of Kentucky,

and then also in the state of California. In the state of Michigan, it was Proposal 3. Basically guaranteeing constituents in the state of Michigan would have a right to, there's this euphemism again, reproductive freedom. So the state basically is allowing through all nine months for any reason women to be able to abort their children. They're making sure that it is a right that basically cannot be infringed upon in any way. And also, there are some implications about, like, apparently how minors are able to use this right to receive different kinds of gender, quote unquote, treatments.

And so there are going to be a lot of implications to this. all of them destruction. And that passed in Michigan, 55% where also Gretchen Whitmer won her re-election campaign. I mean, we are talking about the woman who made it illegal for a period of time during COVID for people to buy their own seed to be able to plant their gardens. She won re-election. So that's a little bit troubling in the state of Michigan. And, I mean, really troubling in the state of Michigan.

And then we got in Kentucky, the constitutional amendment. to no right to abortion. So this was an amendment in Kentucky saying there's no constitutional right to abortion, protecting the life of unborn children, which of course is righteous. That did not pass. The margin was a little slimmer. 52% said no. 47% said yes. So again, another tragedy. And then, of course, in the state of California where we are not surprised at all, it's completely gone to degeneracy. Prop one, which again, like Michigan, guaranteed this right to reproductive freedom. And we know because Gavin Newsom has said this that California has become, in the most

dystopian, subversive sense, a sanctuary state, not just for things like abortion, but also minors who want surgery and who want procedures to attempt to do the impossible. And that has changed their gender. something that I've written about. Maybe you wrote about it too. John McArthur wrote to Gavin Newsom about this. He put out those billboards to women in red states saying, hey, you can come here and abort your baby and used a Bible verse, love your neighbor as yourself to, in order to do that.

I mean, talk about like a hard heart. Talk about like God giving someone over to the absolute. depravity of their mind. And so like this, I know we don't want to get like depressed today, but it's really difficult for me to understand, especially people who profess to be Christians. They look at propositions and proposals like this. They vote for the unfettered right to dismember and to poison, to brutally murder, image bearers inside the womb. And like, I don't know what more more we as pro-lifers can do to show people how disgusting this is. We're already showing up at the pregnancy centers every day.

We're already trying to give all of our time, energy and resources to parents who are in crisis to help them carry their baby. We are already trying to show people what abortion is. And still, we have people who are just completely given over. I mean, how does this happen? How it happens, I think. To piggyback on a phrase coined by Andrew Breitbart, who said that politics is downstream from culture. Yeah.

But I think that culture is downstream from worship or from religion. From, yeah, religion. So I think the culture you get is reflective is reflective of the dominant belief system among a particular people. The dominant theology. Right. So when you see people vote for these things, you should assume one of two things. One, some are ignorant and don't know. and small eye ignorant.

I'm not saying, oh, they're stupid. They just don't know. Yeah. They're voting on things or they're voting for candidates and they just don't know. But the second one is that their vote is a reflection of their values. And it's unfortunate. But I think, again, starting from, you know, the second wave feminism on, the notion that a child has rights, that life has inherent worth, not conditional worth, is one that a many, Americans functionally do not believe.

Now, a lot of people try to split the difference to say, well, I'm personally pro-life, but I don't think the government should regulate. And that's nonsense because part of what the government does is regulate under what circumstances one person can take the life of another person. You can't do it if it's murder. You can do it if it's self-defense. And that's part of what a government is supposed to do. But I think one way that the pro-life movement can show people, and that's the word you use,

is actually to show people. And this would be, it would be stomach turning. It wouldn't be pleasant. But I've written before, and one of them, I write twice a week for the blaze now, so I've forgotten more things

than I've actually written. But I liken what pro-lifers are doing now to a second abolitionist movement. And one of the things that shocked the conscience, I think then and certainly now, as it relates to the first abolitionist movement, is seeing the destruction that slavery wrought. There's an image.

I don't know what the man's name is, but a lot of people have seen his image. It's a black and white image. A man is, he's backing the camera. Yes, I know what you're talking about. And his back has just been ripped apart by lashings and whippings. If people were to see what, you know,

a dismembered baby looked like, Again, it's not something that we want to see. Yeah. And it would probably be, you know, tear-inducing. But that's the only way for people to get what we're talking about. And I know that this can be effective because I remember, you know, when I was a freshman many moons ago on college campus, you know, you'll have different groups that come around and they'll table and say, you know, join the, you know, college robotics club. And the college vegans were showing videos of how the chicken gets. from the farm to your table.

Yeah. And that's one of the ways that vegans try to recruit people. I said, look, do you see how brutal, you know, it is, you know, for pigs and cows and for you to eat meat? And I think if people really saw what an abortion is and what it does, they wouldn't be able to hide behind the euphemisms. Because right now that's exactly what we do. And going back to the example I gave, that professor that I talked about, who was a professor

of Africana Studies. he once went on a different show and he like after Texas passed their abortion bill I think it was the ban after six weeks he likened black women who left Texas for other states to get abortions to Harriet Tubman in the Underground Railroad this is how sick and depraved some of these people are right and I know this is one of these things and because generally speaking

you know, black Americans vote 90% for Democrats. Where the party goes, generally speaking, the black community is not far behind. I do not understand why there aren't more black folk. And there's a growing contingent. Trust me, we'll take a step back and say, why is there all all of the pro-black organizations, the NWACP, the Urban League, the National Action Network, and so on and so forth. why are all these organizations so rabidly pro-abortion? Anything else that has a disproportionate impact on black people,

on, you know, black lives and the black body, as they like to say, or any organization that has a history of racism, particularly with a racist founder, they don't want anything to do with except Planned Parenthood and except when it comes to abortion. So it is baffling to me. Yeah. And I think part of why this is,

and this is across the board, is when the family disintegrates, when fathers are not in their rightful place, other institutions fill that vacuum. And I think if we want to, you know, so to speak, take the country back, that's going to mean a revival, particularly in the church and a revival in the family.

And that is something that no politician can give you. because again, at bet, you know the left is not, they don't talk about marriage and nuclear family at all. That's not a part of their platform. And the right is very squishy. And they may, they may agree with us. You know, dads are important. Marriage is important.

Sure. And then two minutes later, they're signing some bill to legalize commercial surrogacy. Exactly. Yeah. So I, they're not going to give it to us. This is something that, again, we have to address worship, our faith, our religious life and then hopefully see that downstream impact on the culture and then on the people that we elect to represent us. Yeah. And by the way, because I hear this argument from

black activists, you know, Kamala Harris, Stacey Abrams saying that it's, it's a matter of equality for black women. It's a matter of economic opportunity for them to be able to have access to abortion. Therefore, it's racist to be against abortion. Look, if abortion, was helpful to the black community, it would have helped. The disparities are still there. They're not closing. Fatherlessness is still a problem.

Heavy and disproportionate crime is still a problem. The economic disparities still a problem. And the abortion rate has been disproportionately high among black women for decades now. So if abortion was accomplishing, not saying that it would be justified, even if it did. But if abortion was accomplishing all the things that Stacey Abrams and those people said that it was going to accomplish for like the liberation and equality and prosperity of black people, it would have done it a long time ago.

All you're doing is decimating your community and you're doing it in the name of love and justice. It's hard to understand how people don't see that it's the exact opposite. And you were talking about that professor. And I was just thinking like, yes, we do show we do show the brutality of abortion. I absolutely think, like when I get emails from people saying, wow, I became pro-life, like listening to this episode, it is always the episode in which, yes, of course, I'm trying to use logic to get people to say, like, see, you're against murder of other humans. Why are you against murder of this human just because she's small? That's a really arbitrary standard. But also, when I describe what an abortion is, when I use abortionist words like Leroy Carhart to explain what the procedure is, exactly. what it does, simply from an objective, factual, scientific perspective, people say, wow, I did not know or I did not want to know. That's the thing.

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