Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 718 | Kanye Praises Hitler & Defends Balenciaga

Episode Date: December 5, 2022

Today we're diving into the Kanye West (who now legally goes by "Ye") saga that's been unraveling over the past few weeks. We break down the entire timeline, from Ye's initial controversial statements... on Tucker Carlson and at Paris Fashion Week to his scary and unhinged comments against Jewish people this week. We look at some of the statements from the unreleased parts of Ye's Tucker Carlson interview and on the podcast "Drink Champs." We discuss his dinner with Trump and the controversy of Ye's relationship with Nick Fuentes and Milo Yiannopoulos. Then, we talk about Ye's appearance on "Timcast," in which he stormed off set after host Tim Pool pushed back on his views on Jewish people, which was quickly followed by an appearance on Alex Jones’ “Infowars,” where he shared very clear and consistent praise for Hitler and Nazis. He was then kicked off Twitter for posting similar anti-Semitic statements. We end with some final thoughts on how we as Christians should approach “speaking out” against things like this. --- Timecodes: (01:27) History of Kanye's controversies (09:40) "White Lives Matter" and Tucker Carlson interview (14:30) Interview on Drink Champs & with Chris Cuomo (18:13) Trump dinner (23:37) Ye on Timcast (29:30) Ye on Alex Jones’ Infowars (34:55) Kicked off Twitter (39:25) Ye’s defense of Balenciaga (48:23) Final thoughts --- Today's Sponsors: Raycon — go to BuyRaycon.com/ALLIE today to save 15% off sitewide with code "HOLIDAY", plus free shipping! Good Ranchers — change the way you shop for meat today by visiting GoodRanchers.com/ALLIE and use promo code 'ALLIE' for a discount! Annie's Kit Clubs — all subscriptions are month-to-month, and you can cancel anytime! Go to AnniesKitClubs.com/ALLIE and get your first month 75% off! Dwell — enhance your time in the Word with the read-along experience featuring big, bold text & beautiful background art. Go to DwellApp.io/RELATABLE to get 10% off a yearly subscription or 33% off for life! --- Links: Variety: "Watch the Disturbing Kanye Interview Clips That Tucker Carlson Didn’t Put on Air" https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ad77y/kanye-west-tucker-carlson-leaked-footage-antisemitism-fake-children Daily Beast: "Kanye West Tells Alex Jones: ‘I Like Hitler’" https://www.thedailybeast.com/kanye-west-tells-alex-jones-that-i-like-hitler Variety: “Twitter Suspends Kanye West After Swastika Tweet for ‘Incitement to Violence,’ Musk Says” https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/twitter-suspends-kanye-west-swastika-violence-1235447862/ Newsweek: "Kanye West Defended Scandal-Hit Balenciaga Before Twitter Suspension" https://www.newsweek.com/kanye-west-defended-balenciaga-before-twitter-suspension-1764155 --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 714 | The Balenciaga Story Is Even Worse than You Think https://apple.co/3h7KsvD --- Christmas Merch: Use code ALLIE20 for 20% off the whole shop! Full collection: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey?sort_by=created-descending#MainContent "Thrill of Hope" crewneck (white): https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey/products/a-thrill-of-hope-crewneck-sweatshirt-white "Thrill of Hope" crewneck (green): https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey/products/a-thrill-of-hope-crewneck-sweatshirt-olive "Raise a Joyful Ruckus" crewneck (green): https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey/products/raise-a-joyful-ruckus-crewneck-sweatshirt "Raise a Joyful Ruckus" crewneck (blue): https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey/products/raise-a-joyful-ruckus-crewneck-sweatshirt-blue "You Better Watch Out" sticker: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey/products/you-better-watch-out-sticker --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.
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Starting point is 00:02:17 But when I kind of just alluded to it on Instagram, a lot of you guys asked me, can you break down what happened? And so I am going to try to do that. There are so many layers to this that probably only a lot of us who are kind of in conservative media can like think about all of the nooks and the crannies and relationships and things, connections that are involved in this. It's wild. It's kind of wild. I've never seen this close of an interaction between or prolonged interaction between like a mainstream Hollywood figure and not just conservative media, but now we're talking like the more obscure parts
Starting point is 00:03:04 of conservative media. So let me tell you what I'm talking about. Kanye West, as you guys know, he has kind of been somewhat of a figure, kind of within conservatism, if you could even say that. He's never called himself a conservative, I don't think. But a few years ago, when he tweeted,
Starting point is 00:03:26 I love the way Candace Owens thinks, that was a really big deal. That was huge. I mean, Candace already had a huge platform at the time. I'm sure he already had a lot of influence. But here we have maybe the most influential hip-hop artist in the world saying that he has watched Candice Owens' videos and that he appreciates the way that she thinks. I mean, that was significant for that reason.
Starting point is 00:03:51 But also, you have a black celebrity saying that he likes a conservative. And we know that the vast majority of black Americans vote Democrat. the vast majority of black Americans vote in line with liberal values, even if they themselves, a lot of people would say, actually kind of have a lot of conservative values. Personally, about 90% of black Americans vote Democrat. And so this was pretty unique. This was pretty special.
Starting point is 00:04:21 I mean, it was cool. Charlie Kirk, I think met with Kanye West at the time. And then later, Kanye West met with Donald Trump. Kanye said that he liked. Donald Trump. He met with him in the White House, like wearing a MAGA hat. And so it was a pretty big deal. And not only that, but a little bit after that, it seemed that Kanye kind of had this come to Jesus moment. He released an album called Jesus is King, which was a good album, by the way. I don't know if I agreed with like all of the theology of every song that he put out, but people were
Starting point is 00:04:57 pretty excited about it. Like any celebrity that is going to declare that Jesus is king and mean it, Like, I count that as a good thing. Now, I did not say at the time, okay, let's get our, let's get our, you know, theological lessons from Kanye West or let's start following him as some kind of Christian leader or pastor or anything like that. But, of course, I am going to celebrate what seems to be any kind of like genuine, repentant experience, especially one that is on public display. And it was also talked about at the time that he had a mentor, a pastor in California at the time, who had graduated from John MacArthur's Master's Seminary. All right. So we're talking like reformed theology. We're talking about a conservative in the biblical sense, Christianity.
Starting point is 00:05:51 This could be an awesome thing. He was leading the worship services. People were excited about that. He was also kind of like speaking out about. sexual immorality. There was a story at the at the time a couple years ago where he was saying that he wasn't letting his staff that was working on a project not only not engaged in homosexuality, but also not engage in any kind of sexual activity outside of marriage. So I mean, that's especially crazy and unique for Hollywood from a Hollywood perspective. And so there were a lot of
Starting point is 00:06:27 things to kind of be excited about when it came to Kanye West and his seeming about face. And also there were some things that caused people like me to say, oh, Kanye, when he got up on stage with Joel Osteen, who I believe to be a false teacher who gives a prosperity gospel that is simply not in line with scripture. But we kind of just said, you know what? Sanctification is not a straight line from A to B. the Lord give him discernment. I would say it's very kind of difficult to have that large of a platform and to go from not being a Christian to being a Christian and to change and all of that stuff. But then over the past couple of years, it has kind of, a lot of things seem to unravel.
Starting point is 00:07:17 And while I can't judge Kanye West Hart, none of us can. We can't judge the state of his soul. we there have been obviously some troubling things over the past couple of years and we don't have to get into all of that we also found out that him and kim kardashian got a divorce they have four children together and so divorce is always just kind of a sad destructive thing for in most circumstances and no matter what the reason is there is always something to mourn i think about broken marriages And so that was sad. But over the past few months, there have been some things. There have been some things that you've seen the right cheer over. And now over the past couple of days, or I would say week or so, things have really devolved with Kanye West, who now goes by Ye, to the point to where no one really on either side has any reason or any desire to defend him. And that is because he has made some positive comments about Hitler. And so let's get into all of that. Let's kind of fast forward and skip over some of the, you know, crazy posts and things like that that have gone out over the past couple of years and just look at this particular firestorm over the past couple of weeks and even over the past month or so.
Starting point is 00:08:40 So I'll break that down. Hey, this is Steve Deast. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality. itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos.
Starting point is 00:09:14 If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch the Steve Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. All right, so let's back up a little bit. Beginning of October, Kanye West posted a picture with Candace Owens with a shirt on that said white lives matter. I've got no problem with that statement. White lives do matter. All lives matter. And I know people have a hard time with anyone saying that all lives matter, but that is a biblically true statement that every single person is made in the image of God. There is not one life that matters more than others. I understand the defense, the argument
Starting point is 00:09:58 from the pro-Black Lives Matter crowd that's saying, yes, all lives do matter, but in this country, black lives are undervalued and they are mistreated systematically because of their skin color. And so we have to say specifically that Black Lives Matter in order to raise awareness about the mistreatment of Black Americans. However, I think that most of the arguments that Black Lives Matter advocates put out as evidence that the disparities in this country between the races are because of systemic racism and mistreatment are just not good arguments that are based on fact.
Starting point is 00:10:31 And we've gone through that many times on this podcast. So you can go back and listen to some of those episodes if you want to. So I have no problem with them saying white lives matter. I don't know if they were trying to make, you know, particular waves or statement or whatever, but it's a legitimate and it's a true biblically and factually true statement. And then also Candace has done a lot of four. to uncover the corruption in the Black Lives Matter organization, how they have just taken millions and millions of dollars and not applied those dollars at all to fixing the supposed problems that Black Lives Matter says exist, but rather just lining their own pockets. And so I don't know if this had to do with that, but they posted this picture.
Starting point is 00:11:18 I said, White Lives Matter. Tucker Carlson had Yay, Kanye West on his show. he said that he said some things about Jewish people and this has ended up being a theme. He said when I refer to Jews, I mean the 12 lost tribes of Judah, the blood of Christ who the people known as the race black really are. He said that he cannot be called anti-Semitic because as a black person, he is really a Jew. Apparently there were a lot of things that he said in that interview behind the scenes that did not actually make it past the cutting floor because a lot of them had to do with Jewish people and a lot of conspiracies about black people being the real Jews. And as we've talked about
Starting point is 00:12:07 before, like that is a doctrine of a cults called black Hebrew Israelites who they're a black nationalist, black supremacist cults that believes that black people are the real chosen people of God, that they are the real Jews, that they are real Israel. And they often say that the so-called white Jews are just frauds, that they've kind of taken over the chosen identity of these real genuine black Jews. And they've kind of co-opted the oppression and the chosen and the chosenness of real Black Hebrew Israelites. And so Kanye West is kind of borrowing from that rhetoric. But this also is a similar line of thinking to what Lewis Farrakhan has to say, who is a nation of Islam, a leader, which is also a black supremacist group that demonizes Jewish people. And again,
Starting point is 00:13:05 believes that black people are God's real chosen people and that white people and that Jewish white people that everyone else has led to the oppression of the real chosen race of black people. So Kanye West is borrowing theology from a lot of different black supremacist groups, which I would not say that he would call himself a black supremacist. Obviously, he wore a shirt saying white lives matter. But I'm just telling you that these doctrines that he is repeating don't just come from nowhere, that they actually have a basis in what some groups in this country believe. So a few days or I guess a day after that is. interview came out with Tucker Carl saying Kanye tweeted, I'm a bit sleepy tonight, but when I wake up, I'm going death con three on Jewish people. The funny thing is I actually can't be anti-Semitic because
Starting point is 00:13:58 black people are actually Jew. Also, you guys have toyed with me and tried to blackball anyone whoever poses your agenda. So I believe that got him temporarily suspended. A lot of people were like, what in the world are you talking about? Deathcon on Jewish people, why are you saying, that. He then went on a show, a very popular show called Drink Champs that was, it was posted, the interview was posted, then it was removed on October 16th where Kanye blamed Jewish media and Jewish Zionists for several misdeeds, including, he says Jewish people have owned the Black Voice, the Jewish community, especially in the music industry. They'll take us and milk us until we die during an interview with Chris Cuomo on News Nation on October 17th, Kanye criticized the Jewish
Starting point is 00:14:53 underground media mafia and said every celebrity has Jewish people in their contract. He also claimed his life was threatened by his Jewish manager's lawyer and accountant due to his political beliefs. So here's the thing is that I have no idea of all of these people in Kanye's life are Jewish. Like it may be true that he has a Jewish manager and Jewish people in his life that have had like a negative impact on him or that there are a lot of Jewish people in the in Hollywood or a lot of Jewish people in the music industry that have like had a negative influence on his life or on his friend's lives. That's not the conspiracy theory part of this. The conspiracy theory part is because say that is true, because that is true that that is
Starting point is 00:15:39 indicative of how Jewish people are inherently or how Jewish people are in general, that it has something to do with these people's Judaism that makes them bad people. It might be true that Kanye has Jewish people in his life who have been bad people or who have screwed him over. That's not really the question. The thing that he is putting forth, the conspiratorial part of this, the strange part of this, the bad part of this, is saying that it is because they are Jewish. And Jewish people in general are a negative influence and have come together to strip black people. systemically and purposely of their money and of, of their power. And then that leads us to a new association that Kanye West has with commentator,
Starting point is 00:16:30 a podcast host, I think it's a podcast or a live stream host Nick Fuentes. They apparently formed a friendship and they met with Donald Trump. So that's a new stage in this narrative that we'll get into in just a second. All right. So this is according to NBC. On November 25th, Donald Trump hosted Kanye West and Nick Fuentes at a private dinner at his Mar-a-Lago home. According to sources, Trump and West had planned to have a private uneventful dinner after weeks of private phone conversations. Kanye allegedly arrived to the private dinner with three unknown to Trump guests, including Nick Fuentes. Now, Nick Fuentes, he was kicked off Twitter a long time ago. I don't remember what his final is. infraction was he also has a lot of thoughts about Jewish people and that has been covered extensively by different outlets. And so Nick Fuentes has also been a very big fan of Donald Trump. So I guess Kanye brought Nick Fuentes along. Like I said, I don't really totally know maybe you guys do. Maybe you've done a little bit more digging than I have. This story has so many different parts.
Starting point is 00:17:52 I haven't been able to look into every single detail. Maybe you guys know how Nick Fintaz and Kanye West got together. I don't know if it was Milo Yanopoulos, who is another like a component of all of this. So Kanye brings Nick along to Mar-a-Lago to have dinner with Donald Trump, who had just recently announced that he is running for the presidency in 2024. And Kanye has also announced, it's another part of this, that he says that he says that he is running for president in 2024. And that I think it's true that Milo Yanopoulos is going to like run Kanye's campaign.
Starting point is 00:18:34 I mean, this is just a timeline that I never, I really did not see coming. And so apparently West like came to Trump and asked Trump at this Mar-Lago meeting to be his running mate in 2024. whether he was kidding or not. I'm not really sure, but that apparently didn't go over well with Donald Trump. And then you've got Nick Fuentes, who was a big fan of Trump, like apparently winning Trump over. There were conflicting reports there. People are saying that Trump was really impressed with Nick Fuentaz,
Starting point is 00:19:12 really liked Nick Fuentes, but then Trump made a statement after this meeting saying, I didn't know this person. I didn't really talk to this person at all. And so there is some conflict there. And I also just did get a message, by the way, for my producer saying that Milo has just stepped down from Kanye West's campaign. There were some messages that came out, some alleged messages that came out from Milo that said things about Kanye being gay.
Starting point is 00:19:40 I don't know if those messages were real or not. Guys, there's just so much. There's so, there's so much here. There's so many things going on in this story. So people were understandably upset. Conservatives and even Trump supporters were understandably upset with the association that apparently Trump was having with Nick Fuentes. Another layer of this is that Nick Fuentes like really doesn't like and has done a lot of harassment towards like a turning point USA, Charlie Kirk's organization. and obviously Charlie Kirk and the president or the former president Trump like have a
Starting point is 00:20:22 relationship there. I think it's very possible that Trump did not know who Nick Fuentes was, did not know all of the negative associations, did not know of the very understandable issue that like turning point has with Nick Fuentes and like the past history there. And that Trump probably was taken with what a lot of. of Nick Fintas was saying and how much Nick Fintas liked him. So he probably was in the dark previously, didn't realize that the interaction would produce this kind of backlash. I don't have any special insight into what went on behind the scenes there, but just kind of
Starting point is 00:21:02 putting together some things, some things that I know. So Donald Trump says this past week, Kanye West called me to have dinner at Mara Lago shortly thereafter, he unexpectedly showed up with three of his friends, whom I knew nothing about. We had dinner on Tuesday evening with many members present on the back patio. The dinner was quick and uneventful. They then left for the airport. Yay, formerly known as Kanye West, was asking me for advice concerning some of his difficulties,
Starting point is 00:21:29 in particular having to do with his business. We also discussed, to a lesser extent, politics where he told him he should definitely not run for president. Any voters you may have should vote for Trump. I'm sure that is a true interaction that Trump said. Anyway, we got along great. He expressed no anti-Semitism, and I appreciate all the nice things he said about me on Tucker Carlson. Why wouldn't I agree to me? Also, I didn't know Nick Fuentes. He then goes on to say,
Starting point is 00:21:51 Trump says, so I help a seriously troubled man who just happens to be black, yay, who has been decimated in his business and virtually everything else and who has always been good to me by allowing his request for a meeting at Mara Lago alone so that I can give him very much needed advice. He puts that in scare quotes for some reason. He shows up with three people, two of which I didn't know. And the other, a political person who I haven't seen in years. I told him don't run for office a total waste of time. Can't win. Fake news went crazy. All right. So that happened. And then Kanye West was on Timcast. Tempool, very popular, YouTuber, podcaster. I've been on his show. I was on a show a couple months ago. Kanye West went on Tim Poole's show along with Nick Fentas. And I guess Milo Yonoplas,
Starting point is 00:22:39 Milo Yonoplas was on it too. Okay, I don't think I realized that. And so there were a lot of things that were said, you can go listen to or watch that. But one thing that Kanye said, he said, I just got to go right to the heart of this anti-Semite claim that's happening. This is something. If you read the definition, it says you can't claim that there's multiple people inside of banks or in media that are all Jewish and you're anti-Semitic and that's the truth. Like it's the truth. And so he is referring to the definition, like the government's definition of anti-Semitism, which apparently includes saying that there are a lot of Jewish people inside particular industries.
Starting point is 00:23:13 Then Kanye says, I'm saying like I've been labeled anti-Semite, right? So there's different beliefs about our bloodlines, you know, like the documentary that Kyrie Irving posted in general, America has been left ignorant and history has been changed. So when we start questioning things that question the indoctrination, then you immediately get, you know, demonized, demonized, and what's so beautiful about this time is everyone got to see what's really been happening. And now we can really understand. We can see that Rahm Emanuel was next to Obama and Jared Kushner was right.
Starting point is 00:23:41 next to Trump. So he's talking about the Jewish influence over these presidents. And so then there was, well, let me read you this interaction and then I'll show you kind of how this conversation ended up with Tim Poole kind of pressing Kanye on a lot of these accusations. Tim Poole said, you went right to the anti-Semite thing. I think it's something that should be talked about. But if you start bringing this up, you were going to ask my opinion about it. I'm going to disagree with you. Wes said, I didn't ask your opinion on it. I don't care about anybody's opinion, bro.
Starting point is 00:24:15 I lost. They tried to put me in jail. They blocked the $2 billion I had. Like when I told Lewis Farrakhan, the Jewish people allowed Obama to meet with the minister, you know, you're not going to take my pain away, right? The Jewish people say that it's the Holocaust, this happened. You can't say anything about it. We can't take their pain away.
Starting point is 00:24:30 No one's going to denounce the fact that they tried to lock me up because every time I'm just holding stride and it's like, I thought it was more Malcolm X, but I find out I'm more MLK because. I'm getting hosed down every day by the press and financially I'm just standing there. And when I found out that they tried to put me in jail, it was like a dog was biting my arm and I almost shed a tear almost, but I still walked in stride through it. And Poole said, I think they've been extremely unfair to you. And then here's where it goes.
Starting point is 00:24:59 West says, who is they though? We can't say who is they. And Poole, and I, you know, agree with this in a lot of ways, you know, a couple months ago, I do think that the press was being unfair to, or even just like over the last couple of years, unfair to Kanye because he seemed to have become a Christian because he supported Donald Trump. Like I do think that they held him to such a higher standard than they would hold any other hip hop artists when it comes to morality in the things that they say simply because he expressed heterodox opinions. But now we have him saying things like this. And then some of the criticism that he is getting is very much justified. and Poole kind of presses into this.
Starting point is 00:25:41 So, Wes, is who is they? Who has been unfair to me? And Poole says, the press. I don't use the word they as the way you, I guess you guys, I'm talking about. And then Fuentes says, isn't it them though? And what they're talking about here is Jewish people. So here's how this interaction went down. I'll play a clip of it.
Starting point is 00:25:59 I think they've been extremely unfair to you. Who is they, though? We can't say they is, can we? I'm not using the, I don't use the word as the way I guess you guys use. I'm talking about it, though, isn't it? I mean, because when you think about it, consider it. In 2018. What do you mean it's not?
Starting point is 00:26:15 What do I mean? Like, okay, so how about, are you leaving? Are you afraid of the press? He's gone. All right. So Kanye West walks out and then Tim Poole says, you guys want to bring that stuff up and think we're not going to have a conversation. You think, yay, is going to come in here and say, here's my pain, here's my suffering. and I say, I hear you.
Starting point is 00:26:39 And then he's going to say, and it was Jewish people. And I'm going to be like, okay, but you didn't consider. I'm not going to do this. I refuse. I can't say I'm surprised. What did I even do other than ask him to please elaborate on this? Are you referring to individuals? Or are you quite literally blaming an entire group of people for the fact that powerful
Starting point is 00:26:55 individuals are causing you harm, which goes back to exactly what I said earlier. It's one thing to say that all these individuals are causing me harm. I think that can be true. It's another thing to say that they are causing me harm because they are in this particular group, this particular ethnic. and all people of this ethnicity are doing that. And so I think that that is what Poole is trying to parse out. He is trying to decide, okay, what exactly are you saying and trying to kind of understand? Well, that conversation kind of ended up and ended up in a, you know, I would say,
Starting point is 00:27:25 from one point of view in a like a chaotic way, I think Tim Poole did a great job. It is not easy hosting, one, just that many people, period, but that many people who are lightning rods in a lot of ways. And as I've said before, I know a lot of people claim to really understand everything that Kanye West says is like they're a big fan of him. So they've been following him for years. They understand kind of or they feel like they understand what's going on in his mind. They can kind of interpret all of his lyrics, interpret all of his tweets, interpret all of the comments that he says and kind of piece them together. I do not have the superpower of being able to do that. I am not going to pretend to be like some Kanye West understander or interpret.
Starting point is 00:28:06 it's really difficult for me to make sense of a lot of what he says. But then in other times, he's really clear. Like when he is on Alex Jones's interview and he makes some comments about Hitler that understandably got a lot of a lot of attention. So on December 1st, a few days ago, Kanye West and Nick Fuentes appeared on Alex Jones's show Info Wars and began praising Adolf Hitler. This is according to The Daily Beast, the Daily Beast sometimes reports things interestingly. the Daily Beast says began praising Adolf Hitler within the first 30 minutes on the show. First Alex Jones tried to defend the rapper's recent streak
Starting point is 00:28:44 of anti-Semitic remarks by saying, you're not Hitler, you're not a Nazi, so you don't deserve to be demonized. That's what Alex Jones said. And then Kanye responded, well, I'll just go ahead and play the clip of how Kanye responded to this. I don't think Hitler was a good guy.
Starting point is 00:29:00 I get the Hugo Boss uniform. It's amazing. But I mean, just because you're in love with the design, you're a designer, can we just kind of say, like you like the uniforms, but that's about it. No, we, we, no, there's a lot of things that I love about Hitler. A lot of things. Okay, if you can't see me right now,
Starting point is 00:29:24 I have my face in my hands. What? Okay, so he also said this. He says, well, I see good things about Hitler. The Jews, I love everyone and the Jewish people are not going to tell me you can love us and you can love what we are doing to you with the contracts, and you can love what we are pushing with the pornography. But this guy that invented highways invented the very microphone that I use as a musician,
Starting point is 00:29:49 you can't say out loud that this person ever did anything good. He's talking about Hitler. And I am done with that. I am done with the classifications. Every human being has value that they brought to the table, especially Hitler. Okay. So Alex Jones, if you watch this interview, like he is very uncomfortable. So Kanye West is making Alex Jones uncomfortable by being so controversial, if you can even call it that.
Starting point is 00:30:17 Like, that's the most charitable adjective that you can use to describe what he is saying. It's actually just wicked and demonic. And actually, if you're not watching any, you haven't seen it, he is wearing like a black mask over his entire face. And so like Jones tried to steer him away from his support of Hitler when you heard him saying, oh, no, you're just saying that you like the uniforms. That's because in another clip, Kanye was like, was saying how much he liked Hitler's like architecture and like the uniforms that were designed. And so West then claimed that there's a Jewish mafia. The Jewish people control Hollywood. and that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants to take Kanye's children away.
Starting point is 00:31:08 West also prompted Fuentes repeatedly to launch anti-Semitic attacks. These are the words of the Daily Beast, such as asking whether Jews support pedophilia. Jones at one point said, I don't like Nazis. To which West replied, I like Hitler. All right. And so we've got that. And then he was kicked off Twitter for saying a lot of similar things. And you'll remember that Kanye and Elon Musk have been in the past.
Starting point is 00:31:46 Like they've been friends. And after Kanye was suspended, when Musk took over, he did allow Kanye West to get back on Twitter. But it didn't take long for him to be resuspended. All right. So this is according to a. variety, which, by the way, for a mainstream outlet, I've always found that variety does a pretty good job in fairly reporting things, just in general. So this is the headline Twitter suspense Kanye West after swastika tweet for incitement of violence, Musk says. So Elon Musk kicked Kanye West
Starting point is 00:32:30 off Twitter after the rapper, entrepreneur tweeted an image of a Nazi swastika embedded inside the star of David. So the tweet says, yay 24, love everyone, hashtag love speech. And it is a picture of a computer screen. I guess it's on Adobe Photoshop where someone created what I guess Kanye West is saying that he thinks is a good design and it is the star of David
Starting point is 00:32:52 and in the middle of the star of David is a swastika. Like this really makes my stomach churn. It kind of makes my like heartbeat a little bit faster. It's scary to me. I mean, it's it's really, really, really disturbing. Elon Musk said a late Thursday
Starting point is 00:33:07 that Wes' account was suspended for incitement to violence. Wes booed from Twitter. where he had more than 32 million followers came after he unleashed a string of bizarre and antisemitic tweets Thursday evening, including the swastika image with the text. Yay, 24. Love everyone. West's seemingly final tweet storm came after he appeared earlier in the day on Alex
Starting point is 00:33:24 Jones's InfoWars show where Wes praise Adolf Hitler and made insestemitic marks. Shortly after that, Parlor announced that West Deal to buy the social network had been terminated because he was buying it from George Farmer, Candice Owens, his husband. And so that has now fallen through. on, you know, parlor said no because, I guess, of Kanye West's remarks. West, who now goes by the name Yeh, has previously claimed he lost $2 million in business deals over his hateful anti-Jewish comments, including losing his Adidas deal. Yay has claimed he will run for president of the United States in 2024.
Starting point is 00:33:58 West in a Twitter post captioned, well, everyone, we had a nice run. Jesus is King shared what was purportedly a text exchange with Musk in which Musk had said about the image, sorry, but you have gone too far. This is not love. According to a screenshot of the conversation, West responded, who made you the judge? Twitter removed that tweet and Wes's original swastika post prior to the suspension of the Kanye West account. And then West subsequently posed a photo of Musk on a luxury yacht in Greece getting sprayed with a hose by Endeavor CEO Ari Emmanuel. West wrote, let's always remember this is my final tweet to that Musk reply.
Starting point is 00:34:41 that is fine, but responded apparently in reply to West now deleted tweet with the swastika image, this is not. And the reason I guess that Kanye posted a picture of Elon Musk, I think for a couple of reasons. One, you know, people are saying this is an embarrassing picture of Elon Musk. He's really pale, whatever. It's not the most flattering, like facial expression that he's making. But I think it seems like the bigger point that Kanye is trying to make is that Aria Emmanuel, the other person in that photo, I believe, is Jewish. And so I guess his argument is that, look,
Starting point is 00:35:17 you've even got Jewish people that are influencing people like Elon Musk. In a follow-up tweet, Musk wrote, just clarifying that West account is being suspended for incitement to violence, not an unflattering pick of me posed by Ari. The tech mogul also wrote, I tried my best. Despite that, he again violated our rule against incitement to violence account will be suspended. And so Kanye West still has his Instagram account, and he posted this on Instagram, which, again, very strange. Am I the only one who thinks Elon could be half Chinese? Have you ever seen his picks as a child? Take a Chinese genius and mate them with a South African supermodel and we have an Elon. I say an Elon because they probably made 10 to 30 Elon's, and he's the first genetic hybrid that stuck.
Starting point is 00:36:04 Well, let's not forget about Obama. I'm sorry for using curse words in church, but I don't have another word for Obama yet. Yay 24. Let's unify and find out. L-U-A-F-O. And then the caption says, on Jay Z's birthday, future president of the United States, Yay, uses Mark Zuckerberg's platform to inside a mass investigation of Elon Musk's childhood photos in the midst of Balenciaga Gate. I call this the theory of everything problem solved. Praise God. Oh my gosh. I totally forgot about like one of the most important things to me. That was that like one of the craziest. things that Kanye said on Twitter was that he made a comment, can you find this, made a comment supporting Balenciaga. And when I get it, I will read it to you. But basically just saying, you know, cancel culture has taken over Balenciaga and he supports Balenciaga. Balenciaga, I believe, had just cut ties with him like a while ago for his comments that they
Starting point is 00:37:07 that they described as anti-Semitic. And, but then he went back to defend them. And if you don't know what happened with Balenciaga, definitely go back and listen to or watch last week's episode on that where they have been in the midst of accusations of child exploitation and just really, really gross associations with people who have capitalized on the sexualization of children. And here Kanye West is defending them on Twitter. So a lot, a lot of layers to this story, a lot of strange parts to this story. I also saw that people, Kanye fans were apparently like apologizing to Taylor Swift because they had a feud that goes back many years after she was accepting an award and Kanye West interrupted her speech and was like, I'm going to let you finish.
Starting point is 00:38:01 But Beyonce deserves this award, which is an extremely obnoxious and rude thing to do, by the way. And so they had that conflict and some people are saying, oh, you know, like Taylor Swift, she's remained, you know, they think unproblematic and that Kanye gets the, or she gets the last laugh here. So that is basically everything that is going on with the Kanye West thing. Another thing that I wanted to say about the Instagram post where he says that Elon could be half Chinese, which, okay, like what does that even mean? that's very similar to something that Trump just said, and I don't know if that's purposeful, but Trump released a bizarre statement about Ronda Santis and also included Glenn Yonkin in that statement about him a couple weeks ago
Starting point is 00:38:56 where Trump separated the syllables in Glenn Yonkin's last name and said young kin, doesn't that sound Chinese? Very strange. These are very strange people. Now, what I haven't mentioned in all of this is that we do know that Kanye West, like I wouldn't say this if he hadn't been diagnosed, but he has been public about his mental health diagnosis. I believe it's bipolar disorder, which is not something that I ever want to make light of,
Starting point is 00:39:27 which I also think is at play here. No, I don't know how much. I don't know his personal medical history, and I don't really want to guess about that. But I think that that also plays a part. And so there is some sadness to be had here. I think there is some pity, not in the sense of like, oh, he is a victim. And that's why he's making these statements. But there is some sadness to see someone seemingly kind of just spiral out of control here
Starting point is 00:39:59 and no longer make any sense that I see. Okay, let me read you the Balenciaga tweets. I stand by Balenciaga and denounce all witch hunts and I cancel, cancel culture. Jesus is king. Ending trafficking doesn't start or end with a fashion campaign for Christ's sake. So Jesus is king and also using the Lord's name in vain in the same tweet that he is supporting the company who very clearly exploited children, which is also strange because Kanye West has spoken out about the sexualization.
Starting point is 00:40:29 of children in the fashion industry. He says, God loves Belenziaga. Don't think that's true. Love is the answer. Jesus is the answer. Praying for all of the innocent artists and beautiful humans who make clothing. It had nothing to do with the ads. People's grandmothers work there for Christ's sake.
Starting point is 00:40:47 Okay. I don't wish harm on people's grandmothers or on people who didn't have anything to do with the evil. That was an ad campaign that we talked about last week. that doesn't mean that a company shouldn't get criticism for pairing children with BDSM trinkets. Weird. He says, never turn our backs. Demna and the Bolinsiaga family for life. Cancel, cancel culture. Jesus, please heal. You know, I'm not, if you want to call it cancel culture, I don't care. I think that my thoughts about that have some, well, first of all, I don't think that it's really what we refer to as cancel culture. I was going to say my thoughts have somewhat changed.
Starting point is 00:41:27 in that, but I don't think that you should cancel someone for saying something politically incorrect or saying something that you find offensive 10 years ago or that you just personally find offensive, period, or holding political or moral views that you don't purposely like or you find distasteful. I don't think people should be canceled or punished for those things. But I don't believe that there should be no accountability or no punishment or no boycotts or no backlash for child sex exploitation. And so sure, if you want to call that cancel culture, then yeah, I do believe that child
Starting point is 00:42:03 exploiters should be cancel cultured. I do. And so you can call that whatever you want to. But yeah, I believe that that should be canceled. And he says, remove any and all forms of pornography from Twitter in every platform pornography is a product of pedophilia when grown men look at porn. They're watching someone's daughter read Lived Trauma for Money. Now, that is extremely true.
Starting point is 00:42:24 That is a very true tweet. I wish that was the only thing that he had said over the past, like, year. That is very true. And so obviously he's got a lot of different things going on in his mind. I absolutely agree about pornography. And just like as a note, Elon Musk reportedly, under his leadership, they have removed thousands and thousands and thousands of images and videos of, of child sex abuse material.
Starting point is 00:42:56 Really disturbing that that even exists. Really disturbing that apparently it could be very easily removed and Twitter before wasn't doing anything. So that is the entire thing, Kanye West. And I did not plan to just talk about the Kanye West stuff. I have a lot of other things to say. I wanted to talk about the 303 creative Supreme Court case. We'll have to talk about that later this week,
Starting point is 00:43:20 the euthanasia and Canada, that movement. we're going to talk about that. A former transgender Navy SEAL now detransitioning, saying that he was basically propagandized into transitioning. Planned Parenthood, sex education director claims that children are born sexual. Man, a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff to talk about. But this ended up taking an entire episode to break down. And because a lot of you were curious about that, I did the best that I could.
Starting point is 00:43:49 Man, there, again, are so many different pieces to this. so many different people, so many different layers, so many different avenues, nooks, and crannies, and so many things that I wasn't even able to cover. But just to kind of give you an overview, a big picture of what's going down, here you go. And you can kind of research all of the individuals who are playing a part in this and look at the statements and listen to and watch the interviews yourself if you really want to go in and do a deep dive here. All right, here's one thing I do want to say. You do not. You are not required to make an announcement or denouncement about everything that happens. Like I see a lot of people saying, have you renounced this person? Have you denounced this person?
Starting point is 00:44:52 Have you made a statement about this? I mean, maybe some people should be expected to, should be required to. But just because there is someone out there who does or says something wicked who happened to vote maybe for the same person that you voted for or who has an association with someone that you really like and support, just because someone says something that's bad does not mean that you are obligated to like make a statement about your feelings about it. It's like, of course, of course you hate anti-Semitism. of course you hate hatred of anyone who is made in the image of God. Of course you think actual conspiracy theories are wrong. Like, of course, like not everyone has to make some formal statement about denouncing this or denouncing that. I mean, people who know you know where you stand on these issues. And people who don't know you are going to assume or who don't like you are going to assume the most nefarious things about you.
Starting point is 00:45:58 anyway, they're going to pick apart everything that you say. They're not going to be satisfied by any statement that you make. And so I just, I think a lot of people feel pressure anytime something bad happens or anytime someone says something that is awful to like make sure to, you know, it's basically like putting blood over your house over the Passover, like post a black square or say something. Sure, you can. But it does not make you a better or worse person.
Starting point is 00:46:27 you do not have to like you shouldn't feel obligated to like put out this can't answer to make sure that people still know that you are virtuous. If they know you Christian, they understand what you believe about everyone being made in the image of God. They understand what you believe about the gospel. They understand what you believe about loving your neighbor. And really what I'm trying to say is that it really shouldn't just come down to like one statement you make. it should really come down to like how you live your life and the things you say throughout throughout your life. And again, the people who are bent on misunderstanding you and not liking you in general,
Starting point is 00:47:08 your statements are never going to be enough. I think there's a lot of pressure from the virtue signal world to say exactly the right thing. So people will put you in a particular category that makes you feel good about yourself. But true life, it is not measured by. your virtue signaling, but virtue should be measured by actual virtue. What is in your heart, your thoughts, your words, your life, and how you conduct yourself and treat people on a daily basis.
Starting point is 00:47:38 Now I will say, and this is not a statement, this is just an observation and a thought that I have that, like, it would really, I think it really sucks right now. It probably feels really bad right now to be a Jewish person in America who feels like you are under extra-scrason. scrutiny because everyone is talking about these things and you've got one of the most like powerful people, most influential people in the world posting a swastika. I mean, that doesn't feel good. In a way, I think Christians kind of, Christians understand what it is like to have like your symbols,
Starting point is 00:48:18 like the cross mocked. But obviously when it comes to putting a swastika in a star of David, I mean, that's a very threatening symbol that brings up a lot of fresh feelings, I think, of understandable fear. And so that concerns me. And that makes me sad. It really does. It puts a pit in my stomach. It's an unfortunate conversation that we have to be having. And it's really a crazy timeline when it comes to Kanye West and his kind of political pursuits.
Starting point is 00:48:49 I just can't say that I assumed or that I guessed that this is kind of where it would go. But I'm interested to hear your thoughts. I know that I'm going to have some interesting perspectives from you guys who maybe maybe you've been following it even more closely than I have. You probably have because I was kind of late to even looking into all of this stuff. And so let me know your thoughts. Leave a comment. If you love this podcast, leave us a five-star review.
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