Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 737 | Jackie Hill Perry Renounces the Enneagram

Episode Date: January 11, 2023

Today we're recapping the speaker of the House ordeal, in which Republican Kevin McCarthy faced 15 rounds of votes before he was finally elected. We discuss why some Republicans pushed back against McCarthy and what (very good) concessions he agreed to in order to get the votes he needed for the election. We look at Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries' speech in which he misuses Scripture to argue that Democrats are doing "good." We beg to differ. Then, we'll use our vast knowledge of fashion to break down a few fashion looks from the Golden Globes. We discuss Jackie Hill Perry's recent decision to speak out against the Enneagram, calling it demonic. We explain the Enneagram's New Age origin and why it's just a distraction from our identity in Christ. Finally, we look at a Reddit post from someone who identifies as a trans woman claiming that he despises women because they're ... women. We explain why this has become more and more common and why this needs to wake people up. --- Timecodes: (00:55) Speaker of the House (11:59) Hakeem Jeffries misuses scripture (18:07) Golden Globes outfits (28:23) Jackie Hill Perry's Enneagram story (41:55) Trans Reddit post reveals hatred for women --- Today's Sponsors: A'Del — go to adelnaturalcosmetics.com and enter promo code "ALLIE" for 25% off your first order! EdenPURE — get 3 Thunderstorm Air Purifiers for under $200 at EdenPureDeals.com, use promo code 'ALLIE3'! Bambee — You run your business. Let Bambee run your HR. Go to bambee.com and type in "RELATABLE" at checkout. Range Leather — highest quality leather, age old techniques and all backed up with a “forever guarantee." Go to rangeleather.com and use coupon code "ALLIE" to receive 15% off your first order. --- Links: New York Post: "Freedom Caucus earns major concessions from Kevin McCarthy after speaker vote" https://nypost.com/2023/01/07/freedom-caucus-earns-major-concessions-from-kevin-mccarthy/amp/ NPR: "These 21 House members didn't vote for Kevin McCarthy. Here's what they want" https://www.npr.org/2023/01/05/1147028286/these-21-house-members-didnt-vote-for-kevin-mccarthy-heres-what-they-want New York Post: "House passes bill nixing $72 billion in funding for 87,000 new IRS agents" https://nypost.com/2023/01/09/house-passes-bill-nixing-funding-for-87000-new-irs-agents/ --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 177 | Personality Tests https://apple.co/3kdKcwc Ep 424 | Should We Beware of the Enneagram? | Q&A https://apple.co/3CFEZUv --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Well, we've got a new speaker of the House. Democrats also have a new minority leader in the House who decided to take the Bible out of context to support the Democratic platform. We'll finally be talking about all of that. also Jackie Hill Perry, author and evangelist, says that she is now against the

Enneagram because it is the wisdom of demons. We've got a couple other things to talk about, a viral tweet by someone who says that he hates quote unquote cis women. Also, we'll be analyzing some outfits from the Golden Globes last night because why not? So thanks for joining this episode of Relatable. here we go. All right, guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Yes, it's Wednesday halfway through the week. We're on our temporary set. We were on our temporary set yesterday, but you might have noticed it was a little dark on the set. And now we have more light. Doesn't it look so good? All right. We are going to get into some politics today. I've avoided it for the past two days because I just haven't been ready. My break over Christmas and New Year, it was like being in a warm bed of ick. ignorance, not paying attention to what was going on in Washington. And now I've turned the lights on and I've gotten out of bed and I'm looking at this speaker race and I'm finally going to talk about it just a little bit. And then we'll get on to all the like fun culture war type thing. So let's just talk a little bit about the speaker of the house. And I want to react to a video that I saw going around on Twitter of the minority leader in the house. Hakeem Jeffries, who is the leader of the Democrat. That's taking the Bible out of context in just a ridiculous.

And I think very blasphemous in evil fashion. But first, let me just summarize exactly what happened with Kevin McCarthy. You can get a lot more in-depth analysis from other commentators who were following this closely. Really, if you just search for this on Twitter, you can see a lot of explanations for what was happening and why. But basically, Kevin McCarthy, he's a representative, Republican from California. and he was the nominee, the person up for the job of Speaker of the House,

because Republicans are in the majority in the House. So when you're in the majority in the House, you get to decide who the Speaker of the House, who the leader of the House is. And so this is, let me just explain to you the process a little bit, according to Voice of America. It's a state-owned news network, international radio broadcaster of the U.S., funded by the U.S. government.

So obviously you always take that with a grain of salt. But this is just an explanation. of the process. So in the weeks after an election, the Republican conference in the Democratic caucus hold an informal vote among their members to decide who they want to nominate to lead their party in January. Representative Kevin McCarthy won the majority of their Republican vote in a closed door November meeting. Weeks later, Democrats unanimously chose Representative Hakim, Hakim Jeffries to become their leader as the party transitions into the minority. Democrats were in the majority slightly in the House. Then after November,

members elections now Republicans are in the majority in the House. Once the House is in a quorum, meaning the minimum number of members are present to proceed, the Speaker nominee from each party will be read aloud by the respective leaders before a roll call vote to elect a new speaker. The clerk then appoints lawmakers from each party as tellers to tally the votes. The candidate to become Speaker needs a majority of the votes from House members who are present in voting. historically, the magical number has been 218 out of the 435 members of the House, but many previous speakers, including outgoing Speaker Nancy Pelosi, have ascended to have a senator to the position with fewer votes than that, as some members voted present

instead of calling out a name. Every lawmaker voting present lowers the overall tally needed to reach a majority. So when it came to Kevin McCarthy, usually this is kind of a cut and dry process. It happens pretty quickly. But with Kevin McCarthy, this went through 15 rounds of votes to get him to that 218. For 14 rounds votes, McCarthy did not receive the backing of enough colleagues. He received the backing of 203. And yet there was a minority of Republicans who were saying, I don't want to vote for Kevin McCarthy because they said, I don't think he's going to be conservative enough. And look, we've got some demands before he can win our vote. A lot of people said this was obstruction.

and they were just getting in the way. And I think they were even referred to in like very pejorative terms. Like they were terrorizing the House of Representatives by not simply supporting Kevin McCarthy. Interestingly, Marjorie Taylor Green was one of the loudest backers of Kevin McCarthy, which typically she is kind of seen as an oppositional minority in the house trying to kind of pull it in a more, I guess you would say conservative direction. but she was a big backer of Kevin McCarthy, but people like Matt Gates and Lauren Bobbard and others were saying, you know what, I'm not going to vote for him. And people like Chip Roy, I have a lot of respect for Representative Chip Roy from Texas. He had some demands before he would vote for McCarthy.

Ultimately, McCarthy did get enough votes to become Speaker of the House. The opposing members who said we're not going to vote for him unless some things are agreed to by him. They wanted to see less government spending, they said, more power to them, less power for the speaker. There was also just some like mistrust and personality differences, says in PR. There were some major concessions made by McCarthy to get the votes needed for him to become Speaker of the House. Here are some of those, a promise for votes on a balanced budget amendment, term limits, and a Texas border plan. A new committee to investigate the government using the FBI against political rights. You've probably heard of like a church committee that has nothing to do with church, the religious institution.

It has to do with a kind of committee going back several decades looking into what the FBI is actually doing. How are they really doing their jobs or is the corruption just as deep as we think it is? More single subject bills. So rather than these omnibus bills that these Congress people don't have time to read and the American people, certainly don't have time or the ability to read. There should be more single subject bills. I think that's a great idea. A 72 hour window for representatives to read bills before voting. Another great idea. A promise to refuse any increase in the debt ceiling in the next federal budget. Another concession was a bill to abolish the IRS and eliminate income tax. So I mean, obviously this does not mean that all of these

bills will ultimately become law because we don't have the majority in the Senate. Obviously, we don't have a Republican in the White House, but look, these Republicans in Congress are simply trying to put forth good legislation or a promise that they will be able to put forth good legislation. I think it tells you something. Republicans versus Democrats, who looks for more transparency and less power to bureaucracy? It's always Republicans. I mean, how is it even a partisan issue single issue bills. You only want those omnibus bills if you're trying to get things through that you know are going to be unpopular. They might be good for you, but they're probably not good for your constituents. Everyone benefits. Well, the American people benefit

anyway from single issue bills in a 72 hour window for representatives to read the bills before voting. So I know a lot of people had a problem with this so-called obstruction, but if these were the concessions that were made by Kevin McCarthy to try to break down that obstruction, then I would say that that was a really good strategy. So there has been a positive development this week after all of that happened. This is according to the New York Post. And one of the new Republican House majority's first legislative moves on Monday, the body passed a bill rescinding $72 billion in spending on 87,000 new IRS agents.

House Resolution 23 are the family and small business, Paxpayer Protection Act pass the lower chamber in a 221, 210 vote along party lines. So we'll see what comes to that. Obviously, we don't really have the numbers right now. We don't have a majority in the Senate. And like I said, we don't have the White House in order to pass all the laws that we want to or pass all the bills that we want to since they become law. However, it's good to see this kind of movement in the house under Kevin McCarthy's

leadership. Let's hope that they keep on moving the window over by. pushing the kind of legislation that actually represents the interest in the security of the American people. What will be interesting is how this house under Kevin McCarthy's leadership handles issues like Ukraine. He has been traditionally a pretty big supporter of supporting Ukraine financially. Now I just saw a clip this morning that Ukraine is apparently training their forces in Oklahoma. So we are spending lots and lots and lots and lots of resources. this country that most people can't even point to on a map and a lot of people hadn't even

heard of before last year, while our own country is really struggling, certainly in the cities that are run by Democrats, certainly at our own border. It's interesting again that so many of our leaders are more interested in the sovereignty and the security of a foreign country than they are of our own country. And some people might say, well, you can do both. Sure, you can. But We're not. That's the point. We're not. There is clearly a priority there. So we'll see. I hope that Kevin McCarthy's leadership is good. I hope it's very conservative. And I hope we can move forward in a way that actually benefits the American people. All right. I want to stay on this for a second. I want to play this little clip of the minority leader of the Democrats, Hakeem Jeffries, using the Bible to justify what Democrats stand for. Hey, this is Steve Dease. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues, facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and

reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day Show right here on Blaze TV or listen

wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Okay, so let me play this clip, the short clip from a speech by Hakeem Jeffries, again, Democratic Representative, very far left, Democratic Representative, by the way, who is now the House Minority Leader. Here's what he's got to say about the mission of the Democratic Party. Now, the scripture says in Galatians, let us not become weary in doing good. for at the proper time, we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

Over the last two years, House Democrats in partnership with President Biden and our colleagues in the Senate have been hard at work on behalf of the American people, getting big things done. President Biden gets the job done and the D.N. Democrat stands for deliver. Now, this is very common. This is something that you see from Democrats a lot. This is something that you see from those who identify as progressive Christians or Democrat Christians a lot using the Bible for their political means, even as they are turning to the right, pointing their finger and saying that we are Christian nationalists because we have or striving for a biblical worldview that informs our politics and our views on culture. Yet when they decontextualized Bible verses to support things like genital mutilation for children who think that they're the opposite sex or the dismemberment of babies inside the womb, apparently that's wholesome and that's well and good. And that's a proper exegesis of scripture.

So he is using Galatians 6 there as Paul is speaking to the church at to Galatia and admonishing them to stay true to the true gospel. And let me just give you a little context because I do think it's interesting. So he quotes Galatians 6, 9, but let me read you the verses surrounding that. So this is starting in Galatian 6 verse 6. Let the one who has taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches. Do not be deceived. God is not mocked. For whatever one sows, that will he also reap. Pay close attention now, y'all. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But the one who sows to the spirit will from the spirit reap eternal life. And let us not grow weary of doing good. For into season, we will reap if we do not give up.

So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone and especially to those who are of the household of faith. So he's not primarily talking about. politics here. He's not talking about lawmakers. I'm not saying that we can't apply Bible verses to politics or to these culture wars. Of course, I do that often where it is appropriate to do, but he is certainly not talking about what the Democratic Party stands for. And that's not me to say that the Republican Party is the godly party and that Republicans are all sincere Christians. That's not what I'm trying to say. But simply looking at the platform of the Democratic Party, what it stands for when it comes to sex, sexuality, the family, gender, abortion.

Those things alone, which as I've said many times are Genesis 1 issues. They go all the way back to the first chapter of the first book of the Bible. The Democratic Party officially and systematically perverts. the natural order and breeds chaos and disorder everywhere they lead. I mean, look at every single city that is run by Democrats. You see chaos, you see disorder, you see misery, you see dirtiness, and you see people suffering from the corruption and the bad and the misguided policies of progressivism. I don't know how that qualified. in any sense, certainly not in any biblical sense, as good.

He says the Democrats are going to continue doing good. Good for whom? Good for the family. Good for babies inside the womb. Good for people living in border towns. Good for people who become victims of the criminals who are continually led out of jail because of progressive criminal justice policies in these cities that are run by Democrats. that's good for whom?

Certainly not good according to the God who created the very order that Democrats are constantly at war against. And so, I mean, I would love to have Representative Jeffries on this podcast, and we can talk about that specifically. But I'm not sure that we would be able to find kind of any form of commonality or agreement because it seems like we are starting from a totally. opposing premise of who God is and who is in charge and what human beings are and why we matter and what the role of the state is versus the role of the church and the role of the family. The differences between the parties really are not just policy. They come down to very fundamental ideas, again, of who made us, who is in charge, what humans are and why we are here.

and that is why we are continually polarized, not because our arguments or our differences become more complex, but actually because they have become so fundamental. And I thought his speech was a really good example of that. It comes down to our definitions of what good is. He says Democrats are going to continue doing good. I haven't seen that good. All right, before we get into our next story about this tweet that was going viral in my reaction to it, I just wanted to take a little lighthearted break. and look at some of the attire that was worn at the Golden Globes last night. Now, if you're like me, you don't really care about the celebrity world or anything that they say and do, but come on, it's like a little fun. I kind of like seeing what they have to wear. So we're just going to look at some outfits. I don't know if these are, I haven't seen them.

If they're outlandish outfits or if they're cool, if I'm supposed to rate them, I might just give my commentary on them. Bree picked it out or picked these outfits out. So we're just going to take a look at them. So you should probably watch this on YouTube so you can give your commentary too. And let me know if you like them or not. All right. Let's put up the first one. Okay, I need some color.

Bree, who is this? Claire Danes. Yes. She's an actress. Yes, from Romeo plus Juliet with Leonardo DiCaprio. Yes. And she was also in Homeland. And I think she presented an award, an award.

Okay, so why do we have this one? What do you think about it? I think it's atrocious. You think it's atrocious? I do. Tell me. Dylan says it kind of looks like toilet paper. It just, that bow, where is that coming from?

I don't know. It kind of just looks like whipped cream on a dress. It kind of looks like whipped cream. She's very, she's like very beautiful and I think very classy. I think very classy. I think the shape, like, it is. Empire waste is hard to do. Also, if you're not pregnant.

Yeah. Agreed. Empire waste is hard. So I agree. I don't know. I don't know if I would say atrocious. Bree is a really harsh fashion judge. But yeah, I wouldn't have picked this because she's like very beautiful.

And also the color is, that would be like a hard color for me because I'm blonde and I'm pale right now. And she's kind of fair too. So, okay. on the scale of pretty we'll say pretty is a 10 atrocious is a one brey says is a one no i think it's a i think it's a three okay yeah i would probably say three or four too all right next one okay i think are these all ones that you did not like brie no no they're not okay so what do you think about this but i don't like this one i don't like this one either it's a lot it's a lot are you a ruffle person I'm not a raffle person.

If they're tasteful, but this is just, this is just a lot. Yeah. Up top, I think mostly up top. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, you can't see her body at all. So Michelle Williams, also an actress. She's the one who like bragged about her abortions, not that long ago. Yeah, she said, I wouldn't have won this award had I not killed my child.

So awful. So she just kind of has bad discernment all around, maybe. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. And I do wonder. what is with these like blonde fair-skinned women wearing beige? I don't know.

I guess I've done it. Um, I can't see her shoes, but they look maybe like they're cute. Maybe it redeems it. Maybe. Um, okay,

I would rate this a two. I think this is worse than Claire Danes. Yeah, agreed too. Okay. Um, does Dylan have any insight? No.

Nothing nice to say. Okay. Um, number three. You don't like this one either, do you? It's just very costume. It's like she's on, I don't know. It's like she's a...

I feel like you should wear a long dress for these kind of awards. I mean, she's obviously beautiful. She has great legs. Yeah, tidy clume. She's great. Yeah. Yeah, no, don't like it at all. I'm not really a feather person,

but I guess kind of like ruffles that can be done well, but I don't like this at all. Yeah, this is a one for me. A one. And okay, I'll go, sure, solidarity. I'll go with one. All right, next one. You don't like this one either.

Do you? So this just confused me a little bit. This is Emma Darcy, who is in House. She's in House of the Dragon. I don't think that's the correct pronoun for her, but. Oh, gosh. And, well, yeah. And I just didn't really know what was going on here.

Does this person always dress like this? I don't know. Yes. Yes. Kayla says yes. I mean, not in like black tuxedos, but yeah, they dress very ambiguous. Yeah, ambiguous. Okay. Androgynous. If people are just listening to this, it's, it's like a suit. I think it's a skirt, but it's also like a very oversized coat and it looks like a purple latex glove and a bow tie.

But sparkly shoes. I like the shoes. Sparkly shoes. I mean, this is a one or a zero for me. does nothing. I feel like this isn't even on the scale. It's not even on the scale. Yeah, probably just trying to make a statement. Looks scary. Looks like a villain in an 1850s movie. It does.

Just saying. We have a couple more. Okay. I'm waiting for the one you like, Bree. This is Julia Garner. She's an Ozark. Yes. Yes.

I've seen her. You like this one? I do. You too. Do you not? No. I don't. One, I don't think it's a good color on her. I would also dye her hair probably, maybe brown. But I think it's a good like shape on her. Like she looks very pretty, but no. I don't,

I don't like these ruffles at all. Wow. I love it. I think it is really flattering. It's so cute. It is flattering. I would give it an eight. Wow. Oh, Bree. Wow. No. I'm going to go. I honestly maybe prefer Claire Daines's to this. I would say two or three probably. So do you think, Bree, that or Kayla or Dylan, when celebrities are picking out these outfits that they are doing it, that they pick out outfits that they really like? Or do they do think that they pick out ones that are just like interesting or quirky

or make a statement? I think they're picked for them. Yeah. It probably depends on. the on the celebrity but I think a lot of times they're like matched with a designer and the designer just puts them in whatever. I'm sure they have a say but yeah I feel like a lot of times they just kind of wear whatever they're given. I think I don't know. I don't know either. I don't know. Okay. Do we have one more? Yeah. Okay. No, I think we have two more. This is Letitia Wright. She's in Black Panther.

Oh my gosh. She's so beautiful. She's gorgeous. She is so beautiful. no no no I mean she like could wear I would say that she could wear like anything and that she would look gorgeous but this just doesn't look like it fits her it looks too big yeah it's kind of potato saki Dylan says she looks like a beer glass I think she looks like an enchilada or an enchilada an enchilada it dies so people who can't see it it's like an orange I'm sure it's like an orange design but it does look like an orange picture it kind of looks like those like funny shirt that people wear with like someone else's like beer belly painted on it that's what it looks like she's so pretty she could have worn so many things that would look so pretty on her yeah yeah i just

didn't think it was i don't think it's it fits very well although i do like the shoes i can tell yeah um so yeah this is like all this is like a one for me i'm sorry letitia um okay we got margot roby for number seven who i think is beautiful always yeah she she's He's so beautiful. This is okay. I don't know. I think this was on theme with her movie Babylon, which I haven't seen, but she plays like a flapper girl, I guess.

Oh, okay. So that might be what this is, but the fringe at the bottom just is a little too much. Too much for you. I think the shape of it is pretty. It's like kind of like modest, which I'm sure she's not necessarily trying to do. Um, yeah, I think I would also prefer it to not have that fringe all the way to the bottom. Yeah. Yeah, but I would still go to a four or five.

I also think she's so pretty. Have we seen the Barbie movie? Has it come out? It hasn't come out yet, but I'm excited. That's actually one of my favorite directors who's doing it. So I'm excited for it. Oh, really? And Ryan Gosling. Yeah.

Wow. Okay, so I wanted to talk about this Jackie Ho Perry video that she posted on her Instagram stories. Now, sadly, I did not get to see this Instagram story. myself because Jackie O'Perry blocked me for reasons that I'm not really sure about. She blocked me a while ago. We do have some disagreements and I'm pretty sure that she blocked me before I ever even talked about any of these disagreements publicly. But I do disagree with her when it comes to many of the statements that she has made on

social and so-called racial justice. And I've talked about those disagreements on this podcast. you can go back and listen to a couple of those episodes or just you can probably deduce based on the things that I have said and based on the things that she has said. But I continue to respect her bringing of the gospel. And I hope and pray that God continues to increase her ministry and that people come to know Christ through her because of the Holy Spirit. So I really don't feel any kind of like personal resentment, animus at all towards her. I don't know if she would say the same since she blocked me on social media, but I, I, you know, I hope the best for her. And even though we do have some serious disagreements, I am thankful that she is publicly talking about something that I have talked about for a few years and not just me, but many Christians have been talking about for several years.

and that is the potential pitfalls of the enneagram. She posted on her Instagram story. She says, I'm going to say this. And she said that I was really skeptical and have been for some years when people were saying that the anagram was demonic. Because I do feel like sometimes people can be way too deep. But the Lord prompted me to study that thing for a good two days. Evil. It ain't even funny.

legitimately doctrines of demons divination witchcraft i had no idea no idea okay so one of the dudes who is the originator of the contemporary understanding of the enneagram as we know it he said that he got his information about it from an angelic visitation from a spirit or divine being named metatron which we know is a demon and then the other guy who created the types he said on youtube that he got his understanding of the wisdom of types through automatic writing, which is a form of channeling spirits, where a demon basically guides your hand or guides your mind to help you write down certain ideas. So when we say, oh, I'm type one, type two, type three, whatever, we are literally applying to our identity the quote unquote wisdom of demons. It's literally that deep. And I was telling my husband,

part of this, I've talked about anagram on several occasions. And so part of me feels a responsibility to renounce it publicly and to bring attention to the demonic nature of it. So I am very glad that she is talking about this. I wrote about this in my book. And this really does go all the way back to the 19th century when there was very much a boom of psychology, psychiatry and new age beliefs and Eastern mysticism that eventually moved its way to the West and has really stayed here and grown here, has paired itself with capitalism and self-help and the prosperity gospel and has really just kind of grabbed hold of the U.S.,

and I would say especially women in a lot of ways. And the Ineagram is a part of that. The ineogram, like she said, was created by someone who claims that he got the vision of the enneagram from a demon. and the people who propagate it to this day, like Richard Roar, who is a Franciscan friar, who is not a Christian in any real sense of the word. He does not believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, and that no one comes to the Father except through him.

Like, he has talked about the kind of contemplative attributes of the Ineagram and how there is kind of a spiritual side of it that really has nothing to do with Christian spirituality. is really more mystic and gnaustic and new age spirituality. Now, I know a lot of people will rebuff me. I've been talking about this for a long time. I was not the first person to talk about it, so I don't want it to seem like I'm claiming that I was the first person to criticize the Enneagram. I wasn't the first person too. It has been several years, but there were people who for several years before me had been talking about it and had received a lot of criticism for it.

And I still get a lot of pushback from people saying, well, it's helped me. It's helped my marriage. It helped me in my job. It helped me understand myself. And you're taking it too seriously. Jackie Hill-Perry even said, like, I think people go too deep with stuff, which I agree. I do think some people take some things too seriously. And they see something, they see like something spiritual and things that are not necessarily

evil or dark or something like that. However, when it comes to this and you really are talking about an inspiration from a demonic vision, I do think that that should give Christians pause to say, well, like maybe this isn't the wisdom that I'm really looking for. Or maybe this isn't the place that I should go to who discover who I am and how I tick. I am not discounting the possibility that the enneagram has helped you in some way, but I am saying that it is not going to be the solution to your problems that you are looking

for, just like any other personality test. Now, personality tests are not all demonic. They don't all have the same kind of new age origin, but they do all have kind of the same temptation, I would say. The temptation to focus too much on ourselves, too much on our quirks, too much on our characteristics to try to say the things that are really sin and are really unholy and are really bad parts of ourselves or just kind of quirky and unique parts of our personality that people just need to kind of understand and adapt to. I think it can make us focus less on being sanctified to become like Christ and to embody the

fruit of the spirit and more to become the best version of the one with the two wing or whatever our eneogram is or otter or i and fg whatever it is um so i think that they can some of these without the demonic origin of them although they do all kind of have this like psychiatry pseudo spiritual innocence backgrounds um i i think that they can possibly be a tool to kind of help you understand what your strengths and weaknesses are and how God made you. But they cannot be relied on for self-understanding. They cannot be relied on for you to understand your spouse. They cannot be relied on to understand your friends because all of us, whether you're a one or a nine or an otter or a beaver, we are all called to be like Christ.

We are all called to embody love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, goodness, faithfulness, and self-control. And you are not more called to those things. If you are a naturally loyal and gentle person, you are not less called to those things. If you're a naturally boisterous person, yes, God has given us all unique capabilities and unique characteristics.

That's part of being the body of Christ. That's part of being one member of the body of Christ. I might be a hand of the body of Christ. You might be a foot of the body of Christ. like we read about this in scripture, how all members rely on each other. We all need one another and we all have our specific capabilities and gifts that God has given us. Ephesians talks about this as well that God has given us all our specific spiritual gifts

to serve the body of Christ. It is not for the purpose simply of self-fulfillment and self-understanding and liberating your true self because you finally understand your enneagram type. So that's why I think personality tests in general, no matter what their origin is, while some of them can be useful tools, I think they can also become a distraction from focusing on Christ. We do not have a problem as a society with self-love and self-focus. I know that we hear constantly that we do, we hear constantly that if everyone just love themselves more, if everyone just understood themselves more, if everyone just thought about themselves more, and pursue them. what they want more and focused more on their own happiness and prioritize their well-being first, then the world would be peaceful.

Everyone would have what they want. Their relationships would be great. But that's not true. We do not have a deficit of self-love, self-affection, self-affirmation, self-understanding, self-seeking in this country. In fact, we have too much of those things. Our problem is not that we lack self-love. It's not that we don't like ourselves enough.

It's actually that we focus on ourselves way too much. way too much. You know what kind of Disney princess you are. You know what color matches your personality. Like, I mean, all of our algorithms and all of our social media apps are perfectly tailored to not every, not only every interest you have, but every interest you possibly could have based on what you are thinking and what you looked at for a second too long on TikTok on Instagram. Everything is oriented around the self. I'm just not sure that Christians need to be adding one more thing to help us think about ourselves and focus on ourselves more. Like what if really the exercise we need to be doing to help us cultivate joy is to focus outside of ourselves to understand

who God is and why he made us, why we're here, who we are as human beings? Like what if we should be looking outside of ourselves for the love and the joy and the fulfillment that we're seeking? What if it's actually a lot more simple than personality tasks and and the aneogram tell us that it is. What if it's not so complicated to studying something like that with nine types? Like, what if we already have the roadmap in Christ? Like, what if we already have everything we need to understand human nature, to understand ourselves and to understand other people in God in Scripture?

Again, there are good supplementary books, obviously, and good supplementary tools to all of those things. But are they necessary to knowing ourselves, if that's even a worthy goal? Is it necessary to living a life of fulfillment and joy and working well with other people? I don't think so. And isn't that good news? Like that we don't have to figure out the next personality test or understand our type perfectly or anything like that in order to really live well?

Maybe some of them can help. But it's not necessary and sometimes can even be a distraction to actually living a fulfilling life in who we are in Christ because we already know, we already know that we are new creations in Christ if indeed by grace through faith, we believe in Him. And so we already know what our identity is. And isn't that good news? So maybe let's take a deep breath and stop focusing so much on ourselves because I actually think that that self-obsession is making us more miserable rather than less. Okay, I said that was our last sponsor. It's not our last sponsor. We've got one more sponsor in a little bit. Okay, let me talk about, let me talk about this next story. So there was this

viral tweet that was going on. It was originally tweeted, I saw by, let's see, is this the name of it? I thought it was, yeah, it's raw egg nationalist who originally tweeted this. And he said, say what you want about Reddit, but it's an amazing tool for peering into people's souls. And here's what he means. He means by that. So this is. is a post on Reddit and I see a lot of these posts because I follow a lot of these accounts that repost these kinds of things from Reddit onto Twitter. And it really is an interesting look into, especially the men who want to identify as women into their psychology. And it's actually like, it's very sad. So this person says, holy expletive, I hate cis women. So cis woman, if you

don't know, that means cisgender. So that means women who are actually women who were born women, you know, have the right chromosomes, all of that. There's no such thing, of course, as a cis woman because there's no such thing as a trans woman. You are either male or female that is determined at the point of conception based on your chromosomes. Don't talk to me about intersex. That is an anomaly and a disorder that does not rewrite the rule of sex.

And gender has nothing to do with transgender actually. So this person says, I'm at a restaurant right now, supposed to be a date, but of expletive course, the cis woman, I was speaking to women, I think it means woman, I was speaking to, flaked on me once she learned, I was trans, which happened, expletive, whatever. But what's driving me expletive bonkers is the table next to me, three girls all early 20s, slim, bubbly, sun dresses, talking about nails and boyfriends and sex, all just basking in the femininity that I've spent my life and my savings, just trying to get a taste of.

It's just salt on the wound after being stood up by one of their kind. I expletive hate them so much and they don't even know it. It's not fair. They'll never ever know the struggle. Women like us have to go through just to feel like that. So now I'm stuck here listening to them laughing and chatting about their perfect lives and throwing back Bombay gin until I can drive home good and trashed. Wow, a lot of bad decisions.

A lot of bad decisions in this post. I really hope that that person doesn't drive drunk and hurt himself or the other people around him, but this is really common. I see this in a lot of, I see this kind of thing in a lot of posts where you've got these men who say that they want to be women who are really, they say they're really jealous and really resentful of actual women and they're like, oh, I'll never truly be like that. So part of that is clear thinking that they understand that they will never fully be perceived

as women, which is true. And that that's just not going to happen because that's simply not how they were born, but the delusional part is that they think it's everyone else's fault, that everyone should just perceive them as girls, as women, because that is simply what they want to be. But human nature is like a beach ball. It's going to keep popping back up. No matter how many times you try to push it under the water, you can use all of your force, and it's still going to come back up to the surface.

And that is the reality of male and female. It's just, it just cannot be ever fully or fully or. fundamentally diminished, and that is what seems to torture these people. However, I do think that this jealousy and this hatred of women actually probably predates these people thinking that they are transgender, thinking that they are the opposite sex. I would say that's probably actually what inspires some of it, that it probably actually came from a place of resentment and bitterness and hatred and jealousy first, and then maybe it was something like if you can't beat them, join them.

I think a lot of these guys probably dealt with confusion, some of them abuse, some of them rejection and that kind of hurt probably led to this attempt to dawn a new identity to become a woman. But I think a lot of the hatred for women that you see and a lot of the confusion also that you see here is an addiction to porn. Like as we've talked about several times with Genevieve Glock, that this phenomenon of men, of boys trying to become. women, a lot of it is inspired by dark, dark crevices of the pornography world. And pornography also breeds the hatred and the objectification of women, demeaning and degrading attitudes towards women. That is what a lot of porn is. And so that's where I think a lot of this comes from.

I think a lot of these young men, they hate women for a variety of reasons, one of them being the depictions in pornography. And that also is what kind of pushes them to try to take on these new identities because that is also depicted in dark crevices of pornography. So, I mean, there is a reason why women say it's really important to stand up for our privacy and for our rights and for our protection and why it is important to have sex exclusive spaces. And unfortunately, it's not going that direction in a lot of ways. But when this is, again, a very common attitude and a very common post. I'm not saying all men who identify as women feel like this, but this is very common. And like that should scare people. That

should wake people up to say, okay, this is not just some innocent movement of people trying to be included. This is a lot of these people hate women. They hate women. They resent them. They're bitter towards them. And the result of that, of mixing that kind of person with women in press, and vulnerable spaces, I don't think it's good. That's why you have the stories that you do of men in women's prisons who identifies women, um, inflicting violence on them. This is not a safe movement for women and for girls. I think that we know that. That's a, that's a major understatement. All right. That's all we've got for today. There were a few more things that we wanted to talk about, but we're already almost at an hour. And so we're out of time.

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