Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 762 | No, Jessa Duggar Seewald Did Not Get an Abortion

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

Starting point is 00:00:19 We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day Show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Jessa Dugger Seawald suffered a miscarriage recently and yet she's being accused by online trolls, aka journalist, of being a hypocrite. Because of her pro-life views will break all of that down and respond. Paris Hilton confesses she hired a surrogate to birth her child in part because of a previous abortion. And Woody Harrelson says what we're not supposed to say out loud about the COVID vaccine in his S&L monologue.

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Starting point is 00:01:27 Okay. If you haven't listened to yesterday's episode about the gospel coalition public school versus Christian education debate, go do that. I've gotten a lot of good feedback from y'all that those of you who have chosen Christian education in some way, whether that be homeschool, hybrid or private school, that you were really encouraged by yesterday's episode. A couple messages from those of you who have chosen public school, very respectful, kind messages, the only ones that I got that were pushing back in a way that was bothersome were people who decided to respond to my post pointing to the podcast.

Starting point is 00:02:05 about the subject without actually listening to or watching the episode. And so they don't realize what I threatened with yesterday in my preamble that I will call your mother and I will tell her that she responded to something without actually listening and that she raised you better than that. And you will go in, I don't know, that you'll go in the chokie. like in Matilda, if you do that again. I was kind in my response to you guys who did that. But please don't do that again.

Starting point is 00:02:43 Just listen to it, watch it. And then if you still want to come back with your disagreements that you can. But I do appreciate all of the support encouragement and then also the respectful disagreement that you guys sent me. So go listen to that episode or you can watch it on YouTube as well. All right. Today I want to start talking about this Jessa Dugger Seawald story. A lot of you sent me her video announcing. that she had recently had a miscarriage and then the aftermath of that, which is all of these

Starting point is 00:03:10 influencers, all these people on Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, talking about what a hypocrite, apparently, Jessus Seawald is because she's pro-life and yet in a conservative state that has heavily restricted abortion after the overturning of Roe v. Wade, she got a procedure called a DNC. These people are saying, oh, a DNC is an abortion. She's wealthy. She's privileged. She has access. And so she was able to get this procedure that is otherwise banned for women in the state of Arkansas. As we will talk about today, that is simply not true. That is a lie. People are exploiting her pain, her tragedy, her vulnerability to try to push a political agenda that is centered on the glorification of death. And I'm not sure there is anything really more wicked than that. So let's get into

Starting point is 00:04:02 the story. On February 24th, Jessa announced in a YouTube video on her YouTube channel that she had suffered a miscarriage several weeks ago. I didn't originally see this video. I didn't hear about this until the backlash started. So let me play you a little bit of the story that she shared on YouTube. When we were there at the hospital and I knew that I was about to have this D&C, It was about to happen and I had gone, I'd been prepped for everything and but right as they were reeling me back, I just wanted to ask like, please, can I please up a more ultrasound? Like, just please somebody check, make sure I was like having all these fears that maybe they got something wrong and like you know it's irrational, but you just feel like you just feel scared.

Starting point is 00:04:53 Probably the most devastating moment was waking up. after the procedure was over and just having this hollow feeling inside because you know that the life that was in you is no longer there. Oh, I'm tearing up trying to hold it together so I can keep talking, but I just feel, I feel so much for her. She was 11 weeks along at this point. Any of you who have been pregnant, you know, that's almost the end of the first trimaster. And so you've already gotten at least one ultrasound at that point. You've seen that little life. You've seen and maybe even heard the heartbeat. Obviously, you had gotten a positive pregnancy task, which is such an exciting time.

Starting point is 00:05:36 And so at this point, she had probably known that she was pregnant since, you know, she was four weeks along. So this is several weeks of being excited and being and planning with her husband and maybe even sharing with her other children and her siblings and the close friends in her life. and then she finds when she's almost done with her first trimaster that she had actually lost the baby. And so this is a summary of what happened of the video of the story that she shared on YouTube from Fox News and Daily Mail. So she experienced a brief period of spotting when she was 11 weeks along. So she and her husband Ben went for an ultrasound right before Christmas. And the technician that was performing the sonogram said, well, the sack looks good, but the baby does not.

Starting point is 00:06:24 not. Honestly, she said nothing could have prepared me for the weight of those words in that moment. And gosh, I can imagine as a mother of two who has, I have not gone through a miscarriage, but who has gone through pregnancies. I mean, there's a little bit of nerves in every sonogram that you have, no matter how far along you are, because it can be difficult not seeing the child, especially, you know, early on. You can't feel the child and you're just hoping and praying that everything is okay. And when something starts going a little bit awry in your own body, the first thought is, oh my gosh, is this child that we have created okay. It says after she lost the baby, she had to go to the hospital for a surgical procedure where the doctor removes an already deceased baby

Starting point is 00:07:10 from a womb. And she said the most devastating part was waking up after the procedure and having that hollow feeling inside. You heard her say that they had told their four children. a few others about the pregnancy. And so everyone, not just her, is still processing this miscarriage. And now abortion activists are claiming that she had an abortion and is lying about it, that she's not being totally honest about everything that happened. But I talked to Jessa yesterday, as you can imagine, she's going through a lot. She shared something that was extremely traumatic.

Starting point is 00:07:51 extremely tragic for her and her family. She shared it with the hope that she would help other women who have gone through a miscarriage or are going through a miscarriage. I mean, you share something that is so vulnerable knowing that it's possible for someone to use it against you and hurt you. That's what vulnerability means, but hoping that there is more help directed towards people who need it than harm directed towards you. And at first, it was a positive. reaction. There were a lot of people giving her support and encouragement. And then it was like overnight, a couple of days after the video came out, I mean, the knives were turned towards her, calling her a hypocrite, calling her a liar, claimed that she actually had an abortion that is banned by the

Starting point is 00:08:37 very laws that she as a pro-life person would support in particular in the state of Arkansas. So let me give you some examples of what's being said about her. This is from the online magazine, Jezebel. they consider themselves, of course, a feminist outlet. And this is an article written by Caitlin Cruz. And the title is Jessa Dugger Seawald had an abortion, even if she won't say the word. I mean, just the evil of this is just, it gives me a pit in my stomach. People magazine and other outlets accepted Dugger's framing of the experience as a quote-unquote miscarriage, which would be fine, except that an anti-abortion celebrity literally having an abortion is probably something that's worth discussing honestly.

Starting point is 00:09:18 It's commendable that Dougher Seawald is sharing her experience for procedural abortion. Dougher Seawald's story is proved that abortion treatment is needed and wanted by even the most anti-abortion among us. An abortion is how a miscarriage is treated to make sure a patient's uterus is completely evacuated. That way, no further complications like sepsis ensue. This is a complete and total lie. A DNC in itself is not an abortion. Some people have an abortion. Some women have abortions.

Starting point is 00:09:48 and then have to get a DNC. Some women have miscarriages and then have a DNC. A DNC doesn't actually kill the child. A DNC removes the child from the womb. And by the way, people have DNC for all kinds of reasons. They don't just have a DNC because they're pregnant. They might have a DNC to remove something from their uterus. And so a DNC in itself, no, is not an abortion.

Starting point is 00:10:14 Now, it is true that medical coding says induced abortions. which is you purposely kill the child inside the womb, which is what all anti-abortion pro-life activists are against. And then there is a spontaneous abortion. And yes, I hate that language. That is what the medical coding says. A spontaneous abortion is where the child dies naturally. No anti-abortion pro-life advocate is morally against that. We're sad about that.

Starting point is 00:10:44 Of course, we recognize that that's a tragedy. but that is the same difference as it is between someone being murdered outside of the womb and someone dying naturally outside of the womb. Like, do we have to explain this any more slowly or any more clearly? Like even if you want to say, okay, this was a spontaneous abortion and then she got a D&C for the spontaneous abortion, she did not do anything that any pro-life advocate has ever said that we are, against. Her child's heart stopped beating. The doctor told her three weeks before she got the DNC. She did not have an abortion. She did nothing to purposely kill this child. That is the kind of abortion that pro-lifers and anti-abortion advocates are against. Duh, obviously. Like, I know that y'all,

Starting point is 00:11:43 I mean, I'm actually giving you the benefit of the doubt, people who are writing articles like this, you're just plain dumb, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt there. And because you are apparently able to read and you're apparently able to write words and complete a full sentence, I am going to guess that you are just plain like you're ignorant and you actually know the difference between homicide and natural death. That's the difference between a miscarriage and an induced abortion, an induced abortion and a so-called spontaneous abortion. taking care of a miscarriage, taking care of what the medical coding calls a spontaneous abortion

Starting point is 00:12:23 is not banned in any state that has passed these pro-life laws since the Dobbs decision or the overturning of Roe v. Wade, as I will get into specifically in just one second. People Magazine. Jessa Dugger says she had a DNC. How does that differ from other abortion procedures? This article detailed different types of abortion, citing that DNC as an abortion that occurs in the first trimester, but conveniently makes no mention in this article that her baby had already passed away. I know I'm really intense about this, and there are some people who are going to be like, you should be nicer. You should be nicer to the people who are advocating for the legal dismemberment of babies and who are exploiting someone's tragedy in order to push an agenda that legalizes and glorifies

Starting point is 00:13:09 the dismemberment of babies. And like those of you out there, like you would criticize someone having a mean tone towards Satan. Okay. I'm not interested in that tone policing. I'm not. We're allowed to be righteously angry about this. Like we're allowed to feel defensive about this. This is as dark and depraved as it gets. All right? The Arkansas Times health care for me, but not for thee. A dougar had an abortion. Sick. Current Arkansas law allows abortions for dead fetuses, but not for living ones. I cannot. I cannot. Really? While Seawald was able to access to care, other Arkansas women without similar connections in clout might not. A lie! A lie!

Starting point is 00:13:59 This is from Just Jared, whatever that is. Notoriously pro-life Dugger family member Jessa Dugger revealed she had miscarriage in life-saving abortion procedure and new video internet response. The dilation and curatege procedure is a minor surgical procedure done to remove tissue from a person's uterus. person used an abortion care and done for those who suffered a miscarriage or with unexplained bleeding in between menstrual periods. At least they admit in this article that the baby is already gone. So here's some tweets out there from the Tennessee hauler, a left wing rag. In case you missed it, Jessa Dugger of the famously anti-abortion Dugger family had an abortion due to risks of complications, which is now illegal in Tennessee. Thanks to folks like her, that is a lie.

Starting point is 00:14:45 she did not have an abortion. She did not have an abortion. You guys know the difference between an abortion and a miscarriage. Abigail Disney. The Disney air, she didn't have a miscarriage. She had a DNC, which is also called an abortion and would be illegal in many states under laws she herself supports. FFS, at least just tell the truth, contemptible coward is. You're lying. It's not true. She did have a miscarriage. Were you the technician, Abigail Disney? Were you there performing this onogram? Were you the doctor that told her, hey, your baby's heart? It looks like the baby stopped growing three weeks ago. We have to perform a DNC to get the child who died naturally out of your uterus.

Starting point is 00:15:27 Were you there? And then you've got other left wing accounts talking about the same thing. People on Reddit disgustingly pushing this kind of light. Let's look. She lives in the state of Arkansas. And by the way, like I said, I talked to her yesterday and I asked like, is it okay? for me to talk about this stuff. I don't want it to seem, I don't want it to seem like I'm making this worse as you are going through this pain. So I didn't want you to think that I am,

Starting point is 00:15:58 you know, making, I didn't want you guys to think that I am making this worse without having talked about, you know, how she is dealing with all of this. I think it's so important that we are clear on this and that we are calling out their lies. So this is the Arkansas abortion law in the state where she lives. On June 24th, 2022, Arkansas, began enforcing its trigger ban, prohibiting abortions at all stages of pregnancy following the U.S. Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. Here is part of the law. Section 1, Arkansas Code Title V, Chapter 61, Subchapter 4, abortion means the act of using,

Starting point is 00:16:34 prescribing, administering, procuring, or selling of any instrument, medicine, drug, or any other substance device, or means with the purpose to terminate the pregnancy of a woman with knowledge that determination by any of those means will, with reasonable likelihood, cause the death of the unborn child. An act under subdivision 1A of the section is not an abortion if the act is performed with the purpose to one, save the life or preserve the health of the unborn child, two, remove a dead unborn child caused by spontaneous abortion, aka miscarriage, or remove an ectopic pregnancy. see. There is also a document that was published by an attorney and by a doctor on lifenews.com

Starting point is 00:17:25 that explains the summary of the different abortion bans that have been passed in 23 states. The article starts like this, again, by an MD and a lawyer studied these laws, studied the medical implications of these laws. It said, in the 23 states with one or more strong abortion bans that were unenforceable before the DOPS decision, state officials are now either enforcing or working towards beginning enforcement. Each of these states permits abortion in those rare and heartbreaking circumstances when it is necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman. Now, we can talk about, you know, that some people even have an issue with that kind of language. Physicians can make this determination based on their quote unquote reasonable medical

Starting point is 00:18:05 judgment, a standard very common in the medical profession and used for any case involving malpractice litigation. Now, that's not what happened in this case with Jessa. I mean, she did not get an abortion to save her life. She got a DNC, which is not in itself an abortion to remove the child that had already naturally died. But because this is another talking point that is being pushed by these pro-abortion, pro-death activists, I think it's important to just specify that in all of these conservative states, there is an exception.

Starting point is 00:18:36 Let's look specifically, get at the state of Arkansas and just see what this article says. We'll link this article, by the way, in the description. on the YouTube video and in the description if you're listening, so you can click on it and you can share it yourself. So this is the summary, according to the article of the Arkansas law, where Jessa lives. Arkansas bans abortion unless it is necessary to save a mother's life. It is not prohibit contraception.

Starting point is 00:18:58 The law excludes from the definition of abortion acts to preserve the life for the health of the unborn baby to remove an unborn baby who is miscarried or to treat an ectopic pregnancy. Women upon whom abortions are performed may not be prosecuted. So here are some quotes. A person shall not purposely perform or attempt to perform an abortion except to save the life of a pregnant woman in a medical emergency. Medical emergency means a condition in which an abortion is necessary to preserve the life of a pregnant woman whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. The law does not prohibit the sale, use, prescription, or administration of a contraceptive measure, drug, or chemical.

Starting point is 00:19:39 if the contraceptive measure, drug, or chemicals administered before the time when a pregnancy could be determined through conventional medical testing. And if the contraceptive measure, drug, or chemical is sold, used, prescribed to administer it in accordance with manufacturer instructions. So, again, and I guess I don't have to read this because I don't want to be too repetitive, but it defines specifically what an abortion is. An abortion is a procedure or a drug given to purposely terminate the life of the baby inside the womb. So here's one thing that you will never see from these people who are launching these

Starting point is 00:20:15 kinds of accusations. They will never show you the line in the law that restricts or bans miscarriage care. That's what you should do. You know, we talk about a lot these tactics of persuasion and how you engage with these kinds of people. And you don't need to engage with bad faith people, people who are lying, but people who want to have a legitimate discussion about this, instead of just responding to them. You can send them the link or you ask them a question. You put it on them. You put the monkey on their back and you say, oh, okay, you think Jessus Seawald is a hypocrite because of this. Can you show me the specific line in the Arkansas legislation of the abortion ban that was passed that restricts miscarriage care? Oh, okay. Can you send that to me? They never do. They

Starting point is 00:21:01 won't be able to. What they'll do is they'll send you an article saying, well, this woman almost died because of this abortion restriction or this woman didn't get the care that she needed because of this abortion restriction. Very many times, like Tennessee, Texas, I've seen a lot of articles saying this. There's not a whole lot of facts about that. Like, it's really hard to actually determine, okay, what prohibited this woman or inhibited this woman and getting the care that she needed when it came to managing her miscarriage. Like, there's no evidence that it had anything to do with the laws at all. Like maybe she just had incompetent doctors. But really, again, if you go and you look at all of the laws and you see that it excludes treatment for miscarriages,

Starting point is 00:21:41 what people want to call spontaneous abortions, you see that if anything, the doctors at best or confused and at worst are malicious for political and activist reasons. And this article that I'm reading from on LifeNews.com by this lawyer and by this doctor, they say that, look, we need hospital boards, we need state boards of pharmacy, hospital quality committees and hospital attorneys to provide more detailed guidance to doctors on how to reach determination that abortion is necessary based on the laws on the books. Look, let's not act like all of these doctors and all of these hospitals really are just so befuddled and so held back by these no pro-life laws. There's always been some kind of restriction on these procedures.

Starting point is 00:22:29 There's always been some kind of restriction in these states on when you can perform an abortion and how you can perform an abortion. And apparently the doctors in the hospitals were able to comprehend it before them. But now you're telling me that they're like, I don't know. I have no idea how to abide by the law anymore. Who knows? But even if that's the case, that's not the law's fault. These hospitals seem to be very slow in giving this guidance.

Starting point is 00:22:54 And I just have to think that it's for political reasons. That they almost want this chaos. They almost want the propaganda. They almost want the lies. They want the anger. They want the other side to believe. that women aren't being treated for miscarriages because they believe that it helps change the law to be more pro-abortion, which is evil. I mean, that's what it seems like. Why would that not be

Starting point is 00:23:16 your first priority if you cared about the well-being of your female patients, your pregnant patients to say, okay, the law has changed. Let's update our policies and make it really crystal clear for our doctors. What can actually be performed and when? And just let everyone know, hey, miscarriage care, saving the life of the mother has not been touched by these laws, so please go for it. I mean, why wouldn't that be happening? If not for malicious and political and confusion-based, chaos-based, wickedness-based reasons here. I mean, it really is. It really is troubling.

Starting point is 00:23:54 So, no, Jessus Seawald did not have an abortion. She did not break the law in Arkansas. She is not a hypocrite. She did not do anything or receive anything that every other woman in the state of Arkansas who has access to any kind of health care or can walk into an emergency room cannot have. And the fact that you guys are lying in order to again push an agenda of death just shows who you are. Exploiding her tragedy, exploiting her pain, exploiting the thing. exploiting the death of her child who was made in the image of God shows not her hypocrisy, but your wickedness.

Starting point is 00:24:40 I'm just reminded when I was reading these tweets and reading the story and it just made me so sad for Jessa and what she must be going through to have the pain of losing your child compounded with this and feeling like you have to explain yourself. I was thinking of this verse, John 844, when Jesus is chastising the Pharisees. He says, you are of your father the devil. And your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murder from the beginning and does not stand in the truth. Because there is no truth in him.

Starting point is 00:25:11 When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. And people who follow the father of lies are going to be pro-deceit and pro-murder. Period. It's just how it goes. And I don't expect people who follow the father of lies to be able to hear me and to see any clarity whatsoever, save the power of the whole. Holy Spirit, and I pray that happens. I pray that there is repentance there. But that's, that's where we are. The father of lies who has been a murder since the beginning has authored the chaos and the confusion and the lies surrounding not just this story, but abortion in general.

Starting point is 00:25:45 Jessa did respond and she said something that I thought was really good and very true. She commented this on her YouTube video after she started getting said backlash. She said, women have D&Cs for many reasons, not all of which involved killing a living human being. The ultrasound revealed that I had a missed miscarriage. My baby's heart had stopped beating three weeks before I had a DNC. BTW, this is not my first DNC. It was my second. My first was two weeks postpartum Ivy's birth for a retained placenta.

Starting point is 00:26:13 So again, just an example. There are many reasons why someone gets a DNC. A DNC is not in itself an abortion. It is to remove something from your uterus or sometimes someone, sometimes after an induced abortion, sometimes after a miscarriage, sometimes when there's something in there that needs to be removed. Each person is created an image of God, Genesis 127. And to purposely destroy a baby in the womb is an affront to the God who created life. She's absolutely right.

Starting point is 00:26:36 There's a world of difference between someone dying and someone being killed. To equate one to the other and to a mother grieving the loss of her baby, no less, is severely distasteful. She's a kind, kind person for putting it that way. There is a world of difference between being a mortician and a murder. Absolutely true. That's a really good way to put it. Even a child understands the difference between the two. Of course.

Starting point is 00:26:58 of course. I mean, these people pushing these lies, I mean, it's Romans 1 made manifest. So I just encourage you, let's like share some arrows right now. We got my little sticker on here. Let's share some arrows. I mean, she has a lot of followers. And so she might not see all of your messages. But I just really encourage you to message her on Instagram, love and encouragement and support. I just ask you to pray for her and pray for her family, pray for her kids, pray for her husband, him as they're going through this right now. I just pray that she would be strengthened and pray that she would be solidified in the goodness of the Lord, that he knows what is true. The people who love her know what is true. And let us also pray for her and our in the spiritual sense enemies. Because obviously,

Starting point is 00:27:51 like there are heart issues there. There are salvation issues there. Like, there's soul level issues there to push this kind of lie in the midst of someone's tragedy. And so let's pray for her. Maybe send her your prayer and what you're praying for her today doesn't have to be lengthy. And even if she never sees it, like the prayer of the righteous person has great power. And so let's share some arrows. Let's, if you can and if you want to, you don't have to do this. It kind of just depends on your platform and how you use social media. Push back against the lies. Like correct the deceit that you see. because I guarantee you you'll probably also have some professing Christian friends who are sharing this kind of thing. I know it's wild, but you might. You need to correct them. You need to text

Starting point is 00:28:37 them. You need to call them. You need to send them a message. You need to confront your family members that you see sharing this kind of stuff because it's not just a matter of Jess's story. I mean, we're talking about the lives of many, many people, the lives of unborn voices children, and two. And also, like, we are talking about people, we're talking about women who might in the future have a miscarriage and be scared to go to the doctor because of that. They might be scared to get miscarriage care. They might think that they have to go from their conservative state to a liberal state from Oklahoma to New Mexico in order to get miscarriage care. And that's just not true. Like, you are actually putting women's lives in jeopardy by pushing this lie that you can't get

Starting point is 00:29:22 miscarriage care, but so are doctors and all the hospitals that are refusing to add clarity to this. Obviously, in the state of Arkansas, the doctors there, at least the one that Jessis saw, like, they're smart enough to realize, oh, yeah, this is not the same things that abortion were good. But apparently, for malicious or just ignorant reasons, some aren't. So let's make sure that we're speaking in the truth when it comes to this. I mean, when it comes to all things, but certainly when it comes to this, lives depend on it.

Starting point is 00:29:50 So let's pray for her. Let's encourage her. And let's pursue that which is good and right and true. And pray for those who apparently don't know what is good and right and true. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

Starting point is 00:30:24 ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this T-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. All right. We won't spend too much time on the next two stories.

Starting point is 00:30:52 These are kind of like pop culture type stories, but they definitely have a moral aspect, a worldview aspect to it. So speaking of unborn life, speaking of the right of unborn children, I wanted to highlight the story about Paris Hilton. Paris Hilton recently welcomed a child into her home via surrogacy. I've done several episodes on surrogacy, most of them with Jennifer Loll, who is a bioethics expert, especially when it comes to surrogacy. She's also talked a lot about the dangers of transgender, transgender so-called treatment. And so we, she talks a lot just about how the medical industry and how the medical world really has exchanged the truth for a lie and has started to objectify women's bodies for the sake of so-called medical advancement. We talked about that

Starting point is 00:31:54 two weeks ago with Libby Emmons, this terrifying suggestion that maybe we can use brain dead women as surrogates for women who want children or not just women who want children, gay men who want children, anyone who wants a child can apparently rent the womb of a brain dead woman who, by definition, is unable to give consent. And by the way, even with consent, I think that surrogacy is a moral commercial surrogacy. is unethical and is corrupt. Again, go back and listen to some of those episodes that we can link in the description to get my full take on that. But let me tell you a little bit more about this Paris Hilton story because it's about more than just surrogacy. So this is, this is summarized from Glamour and Fox News. Paris Hilton revealed in a February 23rd cover story for Glamour that she is keen to speak out about the repeal of the Supreme Court of Roe v. Wade, especially since she had

Starting point is 00:32:50 an abortion in her early 20s. This was also something that I didn't want to. want to talk about because there was so much shame around that. She said, I was a kid. I was not ready for that. 20s. You're in your early 20s and you're a kid? Oh, gosh, the prolonged adolescence and juvenileity that we have allowed and celebrated in our society that makes someone who is in her early 20s, who had all the resources in the world, by the way, to take care of a child or if she wanted to to put the child up for adoption. I mean, that's really sad. That just kind of shows where our culture has gone that in early 20s, the 20-something would

Starting point is 00:33:30 think that they are a child. You're not a child. You're not a child. You're an adult. She said there's just so much politics around it and all that, but it's a woman's body. Why should there be a law based on that? It's your body, your choice. And I really believe that.

Starting point is 00:33:45 This is actually like a perfect description of just how far most abortion advocates have thought about abortion, the ethics of abortion. Oh, there's so much politics. It's a woman's body. Why should there be a law? Like, I just wonder if she thought about that anymore. Anymore. If she would see how, oh, at least at some point, at some point, there is a competition there between a woman's right to do whatever she wants with what is inside her body and the human being's right to live. Obviously, I believe that that human being has a right to live from the point that that is a human being, which is conception. But if you just think about it a little bit, even an abortion advocate can maybe say, okay, maybe at some point, maybe at some point,

Starting point is 00:34:31 like when that baby feels pain, when that baby is kicking and moving around to the point that the mother can actually feel the baby. But according to this logic, she believes that through all 40 plus weeks of pregnancy, that this baby has no right to life and that the mother can actually just have the baby murdered and that it's her body in the name of rights in the name of bodily autonomy. There should be no law whatsoever restricting that. That's what a lot of these abortion advocates actually think, because they really have not thought about it. Including people in Congress, by the way. This is about as sophisticated an argument as it gets. It's mind-boggling to me that they're making laws about what you do with your reproductive health. Look, you've already

Starting point is 00:35:11 reproduced if you're getting an abortion. Don't stopping you from reproducing. It has nothing to do with reproductive health. We just don't believe that you should be able to kill a child just because it's defenseless, just because it's small, just because it's located inside your womb, just because it's not fully developed yet. Why are those good reasons, valid reasons, objective reasons, to justify killing a human being? She said, because if it were the other way around with the guys, it would not do this way at all. I'm sorry, I'm trying not to be rude about. what she's saying. If it were the other way around with the guys, it would not be this way at all. What does that mean? If a guy, if he needed an abortion, he'd be able to get an abortion? Okay.

Starting point is 00:35:53 Most pro-life activists and advocates, by the way, are women. So there's that. And so she had a surrogate for her child's in January, 2023. This is from Glamour People and Entertainment Weekly. Paris turned to her childhood friend Kim Kardashian for advice. Kim Kardashian used a surrogate for at least two of her children. Might be three, but at least two. For advice on having kids and had one round of IVF and her eggs frozen in her late 30s because she was planning to have a baby on her own. But when she started dating Carter, her husband now, when she started dating Carter,

Starting point is 00:36:33 they realized just as COVID-19 had that it would be more prudent to freeze her embryos. They had frozen 20 embryos. during lockdown. And we've done it frozen embryos seven times. I have all boys. I have 20 boys. So she's acknowledging. She's acknowledging a lot of things that these are humans. She's calling the boys. And that they also have a gender already at the point of conception. They're embryos. We already know what their gender is because that happens at the moment of conception. That's your DNA. So she has souls on ice, 20 of them. And she's talking about this flippantly. Obviously, She's not going to implant all of these and surrogates.

Starting point is 00:37:13 So obviously, I mean, maybe some will be adopted, probably not. Most of them will probably die. Most of them will probably be aborted. That's also, I mean, an ethical question to think through with IVF, as I've talked about, several times. But instead of having another one of those boys, they would really like a girl. So, like, you see the eugenics that's inherent in these, and this, um, I'm not saying that eugenics is a part of all forms of IVF, although I do have ethical qualms with IVF in general, but you see how IVF can be used towards eugenics.

Starting point is 00:37:49 Like if this person had had 20 girls and was like, I really want a boy, hate girls. I don't want to have a girl like you see how this is an issue. It's not really all that different from when China implemented its policies and said, yeah, you can only have this many children and you're going to abort your second and third child. And I mean, in India where there was a genocide against the girls because they just wanted to have boys. It's like, we look at those kind of countries and we're like, wow, that's so brutal. That's so terrible. This is happening every day in the United States. We just think it's more sophisticated and ethical because we call it IVF.

Starting point is 00:38:33 I just went through the process again a month ago. so I'm waiting for the results to see if there's any girls. And by the way, I'm not saying that this is typical of all of you out there who had IVF. I'm just showing you that some of the problems that happen that can happen in this process. When asked if she used a surrogate because of her age, 42, wow, I didn't realize she was that old. She said that she would still use a surrogate if she was 20 years old. And the part of this, the part of this is that she, that one of the reasons why she had a surrogate is because she's so scared of childbirth. Childbirth and death are two things that scare me more than anything in the world.

Starting point is 00:39:09 And she talks about how part of that is because she had an abortion. And the abortion scared her so much. And the abortion traumatized her. And in a way, I'm kind of summarizing what she said, that that is part of why she feared childbirth. Don't you see, like the effects of abortion long term that can end up in this kind of long-term fear that can end up with another unethical choice, which is surrogacy. And the reason why commercial surrogacy is so exploitative and is so unethical to me is because you are buying someone's body. You're buying someone's body because you're fearful or for whatever reason it is. You're renting

Starting point is 00:39:56 their womb. Surrogacy pregnancies are often very dangerous, both for the baby and for the mother. I mean, this is a foreign child that was not created in this mother's body carried by this uterus. And so you're putting risk on them. And again, I don't really care if there's consent there. Consent-based morality is very, very flimsy. Like someone cannot consensually sell themselves into slavery and indentured servitude. There's a reason why those things are also banned in the United States prostitution. There are legal restrictions around prostitution, even if there is consent around it because we realize that the lines between prostitution and sex.

Starting point is 00:40:33 trafficking are very blurry. The lines between commercial surrogacy and human trafficking, very blurry. Someone who is desperate for money, who is willing to rent out her womb for someone else. I mean, can you even say that that is fully consent? I certainly don't think that it's moral in addition to all of the dangers and everything. And then plus, I mean, you are purposely, intentionally removing the bond that is created between the mother and child and pregnancy, giving it to someone else, then tearing that child away from the woman that he or she has created a bond with for nine months, there are all kinds of problems with it. I do distinguish between commercial surrogacy and the surrogacy that happens between family members. I think there are still

Starting point is 00:41:16 ethical questions about that. But certainly commercial surrogacy is completely corrupt. I think it's absolutely an abomination. And the fact that rich men and women feel like they have a right to rent another woman's womb because they are scared of childbirth in order to give themselves a child. A child, by the way, is not a right. I think it shows how we see children. We see children as accessories in this country. We see children as something that we are owed. We see children as something that we deserve and through any means possible.

Starting point is 00:41:53 We think that we can get them without ever thinking about their rights. Or we can discard them. We can discard them when they're embryos. We can discard them when they're a fetus inside the womb. I think this is the exact opposite of the biblical call to protect children and to see them as a vulnerable class and to be a refuge for them. I think that's why Jesus paid such special attention to children and said that we should have faith like a child. I think that's why Psalm 139 goes through the intricate makings of children inside the womb. God cares about these human beings from conception onward.

Starting point is 00:42:28 and we should too. Okay, well, let me just read you. There were a couple lines before we quickly end with the next segment. There were a couple lines from Jennifer Law's recent article that she wrote in the First Things magazine. And who owns the body is the title of the article February 28th today is when it came out. And I actually just love the title. Who owns the body? And she's actually talking about this suggestion that we should use.

Starting point is 00:42:58 use brain dead women, as we talked about a couple weeks ago, to be surrogates for people who want babies. And she asks some questions. She says, would it be ethical to create human beings with the intention of subjecting them to such an experimental process? Because it is an experimental process. Actually, all of surrogacy implanting someone else's embryo inside you is an experimental process. Like your child, without any consent, by the way, is becoming an experimental, a scientific experiment and even a social experiment. And a social experiment, lot of ways, especially when you're talking about buying the eggs, like when two gay men, buy an egg, buy eggs from a woman, implant them in another woman to have that child. I mean, you're talking

Starting point is 00:43:37 about so many psychological and physical consequences there that, again, are just like totally disregarded because this couple says, oh, I have a right to have a child no matter, no matter what. And then she says this at the end, which I think is, I think it's really good as she is asking this question of is it who who really owns the body she says we don't own the body but we do owe the human body the embodied person brain dead or not and the child in her womb we owe them both respect and dignity and while she doesn't say this here we know from a christian perspective that god owns the body god owns the body yes bodily autonomy can be a value of course like we don't believe that the government should be able to force a vaccine into someone's body or the government

Starting point is 00:44:25 shouldn't be able to enslave someone's body. And so, of course, to a degree, bodily autonomy is a good value to have, but autonomy cannot be our highest value. Just like authenticity has to be subjected to the word of God. That means my autonomy does not trump the right of another person to live, including the baby that God has created inside the mother's womb. So this is what happens. Once again, another consequence every day we talk about this of reporting. placing the God of Scripture with the God of self. The God of self is cruel. It's so cruel.

Starting point is 00:45:01 All it cares about is serving itself. And so it will literally lay anything, including babies, including and especially children, on its altar. All right. Let's talk a little bit more about the medical industry just quickly with this last crazy segment about Woody Harrelson. Okay, so Woody Harrelson hosted SNL. Yes, SNL is still in business. It's still running a show, apparently.

Starting point is 00:45:37 And on Saturday night, he hosted it. And, you know, the host, they give a little monologue, a little funny monologue. And there has been some truth that's been shared in that monologue a few times that I do wonder, because I'm sure that people who work at Saturday Night Live have to approve this monologue, I'm guessing, before it's actually performed on television. So I do wonder how what he says here past. the producers and the directors and the writers and all that. Here he is.

Starting point is 00:46:10 So the movie goes like this. The biggest drug cartels in the world get together and buy up all the media and all the politicians and force all the people in the world to stay locked in their homes and people can only come out if they take the cartels drugs and keep taking them over and over. I threw the script away. I mean, who is going to believe that crazy idea?

Starting point is 00:46:38 Okay. So, there you go. And not that many people were laughing, if you noticed. But, I mean, he's absolutely right. And by the way, I've seen other people say this. I think it was Bridget Fetasy that I first, I'll say this on Twitter, that you guys don't get it. He is just a typical liberal.

Starting point is 00:46:58 Like, he is what the hippie liberals used to be, questioning the institutions. fact that we have so-called liberals today that are just so gung-ho for big pharma, like you can be very pro-vaccine. Maybe you're even pro-COVID-19 vaccine. And still look at just how the pharmaceutical companies are set up, how much power they hold, how much sway they have over our media networks, over our major corporations, over our government and think, huh, this probably isn't good that they are making money as they are enforcing policy that restricts our freedoms maybe that's not a great thing and i understand a lot of people still somehow to this day three years we're about to mark three years of covid you still don't see it you still don't see it

Starting point is 00:47:48 like you still think all is well and good there's there's nothing conspiratorial going on there and I mean conspiratorial, like in the real sense, not a conspiracy theory, like a conspiracy between big government and big pharma. You still just don't see the connection there. I mean, that's pretty incredible. Honestly, that's impressive. That's impressive. You have a lot of faith.

Starting point is 00:48:13 Now, Woody Harrelson, this is not the first time that he's talked about, talked about all of this. He was actually on a Bill Maher's podcast, on the club random podcast. And here's what he had to say. The last people I would trust with my health is big pharma and big government, because neither one of those strike me as caring entities. Ivermectin got made into a horse tranquilizer, a horse whatever it is. Which it is, but also used by humans.

Starting point is 00:48:46 It used by millions of millions. Hydroxychloroquine got made ridiculous. And there was only one thing that could work, and that's the vaccine, right? And so ultimately, because of that, billions of dollars was made. I mean, that's irrefutable. That's just true. I mean, I guess you don't have to agree with him that he doesn't, you know, we shouldn't trust our health to big pharma and big government,

Starting point is 00:49:19 although I think that's very silly and naive of you. But it's just true that these policies were pushed, that the vaccine exclusive approach, was pushed and policies followed that that actually restricted your freedoms and took away people's livelihoods. And just admit that the only reason that you refuse to see that is because of politics, because you don't like Trump, because you don't like the right. Like some people still just refused to see the truth that actually had a huge detrimental effect on people's lives, not just terror, but around the world because of this myopic view of left, right, and blue

Starting point is 00:49:52 red. I mean, I appreciate someone like Woody Harrelson, who I'm sure is pretty. choice and disagrees with me on most things. Like I appreciate him kind of going out of that political binary and saying, okay, but this is actually true. I mean, he probably votes Democrat or maybe I could see him not voting at all. But the media bought paid for in large part by organizations like Pfizer. They had an interesting reaction to this. So unsurprising, so stunning that they had a negative reaction.

Starting point is 00:50:25 So this is, according to Rolling Stone, Woody Harrelson spreads anti-vax conspiracies during SNL monologue. Did he say he was anti-vaccine? Everything is anti-vax. Questioning the integrity of billion-dollar corporations that are making billions and billions of dollars off of the vaccine that sometimes has negative effects on people's health. That's an anti-vax conspiracy during. Daily Beast, Woody Harrelson spews anti-vax conspiracies in rambling SNL monologue.

Starting point is 00:50:55 Post, Woody Harrelson rambles about weed anti-fax conspiracy and SNL monologue variety. Woody Harrelson's Saturday night live monologue makes COVID conspiracy jokes. Wea on the Washington Post. On SNL, Woody Harrelson pushes popular COVID-19 conspiracy theory. And then on Twitter, we had a lot of blue check journalists saying the same thing. How on earth did this get to air? Said Matt Bavin. So there were many journalists and many online influencers.

Starting point is 00:51:25 saying the same thing. He's an anti-vax conspiracy theory. So let's look at some of the conspiracy theories. Let's look at some of the conspiracy theories that the media has told us that we should not believe in the past few years. And what's actually come of them? Just real quickly. All right. So the FDA said about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine a couple years ago, a drug mint for use as an animal dormer is being used by some people to treat COVID-19 from the Guardian. No, you should not take Ivermactin to treat COVID-19. While there are approved uses for Ivermactin in people and animals, it is not approved for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19.

Starting point is 00:52:15 From The Guardian, also they said that there are big side effects to Ivermactin that could require hospitalization, and that's why you should not take it. CNN called it a horse dewormer, said that it was a tranquilizer. The Washington Post called it a horse to wormer. CNBC, demonized hydroxychloroquine, which, by the way, doctors still in some cases are using effectively to treat COVID-19. And CNBC said that this is an unproven treatment. And so over and over again, I wish that we had a montage for you. There's probably one out there, news outlets saying, this is horse to warmer.

Starting point is 00:52:58 This is horse tranquilizer. You should never use COVID-19. Now, according to the American Journal of Therapeutics, moderate certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using Ivermactin. Using Ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low-cost suggests that Ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally. Now, this has been said by Dr. Pierre Corey for a very long time. he came on my show, one of my most popular episodes ever, and talked about this. Ivermectin is used by humans throughout the world, has been used by billions of humans throughout

Starting point is 00:53:37 the world, especially those that live in developing countries like Africa that suffer from river blindness and things like that. But that wasn't even acknowledged by the media. We just heard that it was horse to wormer. No, it's been used safely by Americans for a very long time. So even if, because there still is debate about how effective it actually is, same thing with hydroxychloroquine, there are very few downsides to these drugs for it to have been demonized the way that it is. And it was all in service of this narrative that the only thing that can help you

Starting point is 00:54:08 is the vaccine. And isn't it interesting that a lot of these networks like CNN are regularly sponsored by Pfizer? Then we heard that school shutdowns, that shutting down schools is going to be very helpful, that we need to do it for compassion to save grandma. USA Today, the best strategy is to put time and money in developing a robust and equitable remote learning plan. USA Today, those arguing that children must return to buildings for a quality education need to know, this is impossible. The author of the USA Today article argues that the horrendous but temporary educational and psychological crisis of remote learning isn't as bad as the COVID crisis. On Neil Kvuto show in August 2022, Fauci said in response to the question of if lockdowns of her children,

Starting point is 00:54:51 well, I don't think it's irreparable damage to anyone. USA Today, teachers like me don't feel safe enough to return to the classroom yet. And then you'll remember all of those protests by the teachers and the teachers' unions, the die ends pretending that they're going to die. If you open up schools again, remember that in Arizona and places like Chicago throughout the country sponsored by the teachers unions pushing this propaganda that these teachers are actually going to die if they open up the schools and, of course, kids were kids in their well-being and their normal maturation and their education were a sacrifice of the paranoia of anti-science adults. It's really sad.

Starting point is 00:55:34 Now we know the truth. The National Report Card released in October 22 by the National Center for Education Statistics found that the average math score for fourth graders fell five points since 2019. And reading average scores for both grades felt. fell three points. In addition, the percentage of students below the basic level, the lowest level of academic achievement grew. Twenty-five percent of fourth graders were below the basic level in 2022, and 38 percent of eighth graders were below the National Assessment of Educational Progress, basic level in reading the percentage of students below the NAEP basic increase by three percentage points in both fourth and eighth grade. According to Pew Research in November of

Starting point is 00:56:15 2021, emergency department visits for suspected suicide attempts, in kids jumped 31% in 2020 compared to 2019. In February and March of 2021, emergency department visits for suspected suicide attempts were 51% higher. This is all for a virus, by the way, and for which kids had a 99.99%, almost a hot, that's basically 100% survival rate. Instead, we said, no, it's better for you to be more likely to commit suicide

Starting point is 00:56:43 and for you to not be able to read. Nearly every child in the country is suffering to some degree from the psychological effects of the pandemic. This is co-director of the University of Maryland-based National Center for School of Mental Health. Vaccines. What they said, CDC said that there are benefits of getting vaccinated against COVID. They said, you are, you're not going, you're not going to get COVID. That's what Rochelle Wollinsky said.

Starting point is 00:57:11 That's what we heard on MSNBC. It's going to stop. If you get infected with COVID, you won't get any symptoms from COVID. It's going to stop with you. you won't be able to spread COVID. CDC said COVID-19 vaccines offer added protection to people who had COVID-19, including protection against being hospitalized from a new infection. We were told that natural immunity, the natural immunity was a dangerous conspiracy theory

Starting point is 00:57:37 and that natural immunity for some reason, unlike any other disease, any other illness, had no effect on your ability to get COVID again. And now we know that that is not true. CNN said vaccination protects against COVID-19 more strongly than previous infection does. A study analysis, this is now later. A study analysis from the Lancet, though, in February 2020, showed that natural immunity protection from the past infection and any symptomatic disease was high, actually, for forms of the coronavirus.

Starting point is 00:58:13 virus protection from past infection against reinfection from pre-Omacrom variance was very high and remained high even after 40 weeks just as strong if not stronger than immunity that is apparently given to you by the vaccine masks we were first told don't work by fouchy in march of 2020 then we were told that they absolutely worked if you're an anti-masker that started in june of 2020 if you're anti-masker, your anti-grandma, your anti-science. This is absolutely helping. This is keeping people from getting sick. And yet we saw study after study proving that that's not true. CDC said consistently wearing a comfortable mask in indoor settings protects against acquisition of COVID. Consistent use of a mask or respirator in indoor settings was associated

Starting point is 00:59:01 with lower odds of a positive test result, says the CDC of the University of San Francisco said the same thing. The New York Times said, we did the research of masks work. The science survey in 2021 said unmasking the mask conspiracy theories. Now, there is a study that was published in Cochran Library, which is the premier collection of medical literature in the world, a study titled, Physical Interventions to Interventions to Interrupt or Reduce the Spread of Respiratory Viruses. This came out January 30th of 2023. Wearing masks in the community makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory

Starting point is 00:59:36 confirmed influenza compared to not wearing masks. So this was a meta analysis of all of the studies that have been done around masks. And by the way, this evidence has been around for a very long time. We have known since 2020 that community mask wearing wasn't working. Thanks to the journalism of people like David Zwig, who was writing for liberal magazines at the time, like the New Yorker, yet was going through the CDC studies that the CDC said was proving that masks work. And he was showing that actually the data they're saying proves their conclusion does not

Starting point is 01:00:10 prove their conclusion and all of these studies are faulty. Ian Miller, we had him on the show. He has a Twitter account that is literally almost exclusively dedicated to showing graphs that prove that there is zero correlation in a state or in a country between high mask wearing and an increase or a decrease of COVID cases or COVID fatalities. I mean, he has been showing that literally for years at this point. And every time he sees, you know, more data come out or every time he sees a headline saying, why don't masks work? He's like, I've literally been talking about this and proving this with numbers for years and still I'll get messages of people angry that I ever questioned this.

Starting point is 01:00:51 It's like a religion to people. They just can't let go of it because it's the only proof of virtue that they have really been able to uphold for so long. Same thing with the lab leak theory. We were told that's a conspiracy theory. Like, do you remember in the Washington Post when Senator Tom Cotton, he published an article saying, you know what, this is, there's a high probability that this is not from some bat in a wet market in Wuhan, somewhere in China, that this actually probably was an experiment gone wrong.

Starting point is 01:01:22 It probably actually leaked from the lab. And there were some people who were wondering, well, is it purposeful? Like, does it help China in some way? And so we were told that that was a conspiracy theory. This is a headline from NPR. scientist debunk lab accident theory of pandemic emergence. That's April 20th, 2020. CNN, lab leak COVID-19 theory is like something out of a comic book, virologist says. That's March 31st, 2021. CNN, nearly 30% in the U.S. believe a coronavirus theory that's almost certainly not true.

Starting point is 01:01:54 That was 2020. CNN, coronavirus almost certainly came from an animal, not a lab leak. Top scientists argue that was in 2021. CNBC, Trump suspects coronavirus outbreak came from China lab. doesn't cite evidence. That was 2020. CNN. Trump contradicts U.S. Intel community by claiming he's seen evidence. Coronavirus originated in Chinese lab. Insider. Theory that coronavirus accidentally leaked from Chinese lab unlikely. That was April 15th, 2020. So I just wonder, like, how much money are these people getting from China? Or was it just an anti-Trump thing? It's so weird how these people who felt like apparently COVID was the biggest threat to humanity that has ever experienced. existed, like had no interest whatsoever in finding out where it came from and then how we can prevent it from happening again.

Starting point is 01:02:42 And now the U.S. Energy Department has concluded that the COVID-19 pandemic most likely arose from a laboratory leak. According to a classified intelligence report recently provided to the White House and key members of Congress, the Energy Department now joins the Federal Bureau of Investigation by saying the virus likely spread via a mishap at a Chinese library. I don't, or a laboratory library. That'd be interesting. U.S. officials declined to give details on the fresh intelligence and analysis that led the Energy Department to change its position. Wall Street Journal. Lab leak most likely origin of COVID-19 pandemic. Energy Department now says CNN. U.S. Energy Department assesses COVID-19 likely resulted from Lab leak, furthering U.S. Intel divide over virus origin. So I don't know. Maybe Woody Heraldson is on to something. Maybe we shouldn't listen to people who say things are conspiracy.

Starting point is 01:03:34 theories when they have been proven wrong so many times. I said the same thing about menstrual cycles. No, there's no way that it can infect a woman's menstrual cycle. And then a study published in the journal of science advances found that 42% of women with regular menstrual cycles said they bled more heavily than usual after vaccination. So I also don't think it's crazy for someone to say, hmm, something that messes with my reproduction. I'm just not sure if I want to put it in my body. And of course, you were told that you were some paranoid crazy freak who doesn't love your neighbor. I think that Woody Harrelson probably has more common sense and more wisdom than most of the people in the media who claim to be our moral and intellectual betters. It's just what I'm thinking.

Starting point is 01:04:15 All right. That's all we got time for today, guys. All we got time for today, God is sovereign, not big pharma, not big government, not the trolls on the internet, but the good and loving and all powerful God. Who will win in the end? Just a reminder on this crazy day. All right. tomorrow we have a fun interview for you amazing interview i'm so excited in thursday we've got a director of her pregnancy center gosh she is incredible i cried tears of joy tears of joy and gratitude but um

Starting point is 01:04:46 throughout our conversation you're going to be so encouraged by it all right i will see you guys back here tomorrow hey this is steve daste if you're listening to alley you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political they're moral spiritual and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular.

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