Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 768 | Chris Rock: Why Feminists Hate Him | Guest: Jason Whitlock

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

Starting point is 00:00:19 We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Is Chris Rock pro-life? Also, the Biden administration awarded a man, a Women of Courage Award yesterday. And black equestrians, according to the New York Times, are facing dire discrimination and their reason might surprise you. Also, white students at an elementary school in Ohio were being forced by other students to recite a BLM pledge.

Starting point is 00:01:05 We're talking about all of this and so much more with one of my favorite guests. And that is host of the podcast, Fearless, Jason Whitlock. You are going to love his insight and this conversation. It is so wide-ranging and insightful. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use code Allie. Check out for a discount.

Starting point is 00:01:24 That's good ranchers.com. Code Allie. Jason, thanks so much for joining us. I got a lot of stuff that I want to talk to you about and get your reaction to. The first international women's day was yesterday. I'm sure you had a huge celebration. I'm sure you recognize that day every year.

Starting point is 00:01:54 Celebrate the feminists in your life, right? I don't even get how we got to this point where we acknowledge all these different days they set up for us. You know, I'm old. I'm 55. We didn't have these days when I was growing up. And so I'm continuing to pretend like they don't exist. Gotcha. Well, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:02:17 You might not be surprised to know that the Biden administration did not pretend that this day doesn't exist. They had a big celebration yesterday, first lady, Dr. Jill Biden, Secretary of State, Anthony Blinkin. I don't know why he had anything to do with this. but they hosted the annual International Women of Courage Awards yesterday. Let me show you one of the beautiful, delicate, dainty women that won one of these courage awards awarded by the Biden administration. In Argentina, Alba Ruada is a transgender woman who was kicked out of classrooms, barred for sitting for exams,

Starting point is 00:02:58 refused job opportunities subjected to violence and rejected by her family. But in the face of these challenges, she worked to end violence and discrimination against the LGBTQI plus community. All right. So a man, a man from Brazil, not even from America, but a man who has long hair won an award meant for courageous women. What do you think about that, Jason? It's just explains, exemplifies the Biden administration and the current culture's hostility towards truth. And so any lie that they want to promote, they're going to promote and demand that we see it as the truth. And I mean, clearly that's a man who's, you know, gone to a beauty salon and had some straight hair put on.

Starting point is 00:03:55 and we're all supposed to pretend this is one of the most courageous women on the planet. And, you know, Biden and his wife and the presidents and all Anthony Blakey. And they're all playing along. And we're the bad guys for not playing along and saying, not only does that man need mental health help, all those people that are supporting his mental illness need help. It's just another example. just we're just in a post-reality, post-truth culture right now.

Starting point is 00:04:32 And, you know, we're in need of a savior, that's for sure. Yeah, you know, it's funny that this person is from Brazil and that the Biden administration is saying, oh, they tried to keep, you know, he tried to keep trans women from violence. But actually, like, there is a big problem of violence actually being perpetrated by these men who identify as women. There was this terrible story out of Brazil. in December, and this is reported by Redux. Female student assaulted by trans-identified male over washroom access says she was afraid of dying.

Starting point is 00:05:04 And actually, this is something that I've seen reported several times in Brazil, where you've got these guys. I don't even know if they really think they're women or not. This person that I'm looking at has a full, has a full beard, all right? And just has long hair going into these bathrooms and assaulting women. There was this other Brazilian. It was just reported recently that he, He was investigated.

Starting point is 00:05:26 He identifies as a woman and he's being awarded for being this amazing gamer or whatever. It was actually just investigated for pedophilia. So there is a problem of this gender ideology in Brazil, but the violence that's being perpetrated is actually going in the other direction. So our government is not even just exchanging the truth for a lie when it comes to this, but is actually glorifying in a lot of cases like the perpetrators of this violence rather than recognizing that the victims of this violence. or typically women. It's really evil. It's evil in every direction because we're normalizing people's mental illness rather than treating people's mental illness. And so it's not surprising to me that someone's untreated mental illness is going to eventually lead to some type of violent or inappropriate behavior that endangers other people. And,

Starting point is 00:06:24 most kids, other women. And so, again, when men are weak and we don't hold the line and we don't demand truth, women and children are the most vulnerable. And this whole little transgender thing we're doing is displacing women from awards, recognition, status, roles in society that are meant for them. we're putting men in those spots and giving them that recognition. And no one's better, not society, not the people with the untreated mental illness, no one's safer.

Starting point is 00:07:07 It's, it's, it's just sad. Yeah. You know, I wasn't going to go here. It's not in my notes or anything. But I'm just really curious, your thoughts. There's a debate right now about how to effectively push back against gender ideology. And it's, I guess, happening within the right. You've got one side.

Starting point is 00:07:25 He was like, no, don't be too mean about it. Watch your tone. Be nicer about it. Be sweeter about it. And the other side's like, look, we got to pull all. We got to go all in on this. And we can't worry about being too nice or saying the right thing. We got to make sure that we are demolishing gender ideology, not saying that you're

Starting point is 00:07:45 trying to physically harm in any way transgender people. But we've got to push back against this ideology. Of course, you probably saw that Michael Noel. that he said at CPAC that we need to banish transgender ideology, and he's getting all this negative attention for it, saying that this was extreme, even from people on the right. Like, what's your take on the most effective strategy? Do we need to start kind of policing our tone

Starting point is 00:08:10 and make sure that we're a little bit sweeter when talking about this idea? No. Anger when used properly is a good thing. God gave us anger for a reason. Hate is a godly characteristic if it's not directed at individual people. And so what I see from Michael Knowles, what I see from Matt Walsh is hate for evil and hate for an ideology that is damaging people. And that's a good thing.

Starting point is 00:08:44 And if we don't express that with a little, for lack of a better, animus for a little, for a little, without some passion, no one's going to hear us in this current climate and culture. And so I don't have a problem with the way Matt Walsh talks about this issue. I certainly don't have a problem with Michael Knowles' speech at CPAC. It was taken completely out of context. The ideology of transgenderism does need to be eradicated. And people that are suffering from this gender dysphoria need help. treatment, counseling, therapy. We need to treat their mental illness. That's compassion.

Starting point is 00:09:29 The people that are trying to normalize this, they're not being compassionate. They're the actual mean-spirited people. It's no different than anybody that would look at me and say, Jason, you don't need to lose weight. You're perfectly fine. It should be normalized, blah, blah, blah, blah, that's not a person that loves me that wants me to live a long, prosperous life. That's someone that doesn't like me. And so if someone who, you know, if someone wants to get in my face about being overweight and Jason, you should never eat McDonald's again, I actually hear that as like, oh man, this person actually cares about me.

Starting point is 00:10:09 I'm not offended by that. So, no, I don't think we're going to, in this instance, kill him with kindness. we've got to kill him with directness. And what I hear from Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles is a very direct way of talking that makes it so that even a baby can understand. And we got to remember, you know, Jesus overturned some tables.

Starting point is 00:10:33 And, you know, when things get this kind of chaotic, we got to let it rip for lack of a better explanation. Right. And kind is not the same thing as nice. You can be kind to someone by telling them the truth very directly. You can say to someone, look, I believe that you're made in the image of God, but God made you male and to pretend that your female is a farce. Now, that's not nice.

Starting point is 00:11:01 That's not nice. The nice thing to do would say, oh, my goodness, your wig is so beautiful. That makeup looks beautiful on you. But that's not kind. That's not kind to the individual. It's not kind to society. And for anyone who would push back on anything that Jason just said about, hey, I think we actually do see that biblically and exemplified by God, that we are told that he's filled with loving

Starting point is 00:11:21 kindness. And yet we read in Psalm 5-5, the boastful shall not stand before your eyes about God. You hate all evil doers. Not just evil, but it says that God hates all evil doers. And of course, we understand that, you know, we as Christians, we still sin and all that. And the only reason that we have God's unconditional love is through Christ. So that doesn't make us better than people, but God does hate evil doers. And then we read in Psalm 139-21, do I not hate those who hate you, oh Lord? And do I not loat those who rise up against you? So yes, there is such thing as godly hate. We do want what's best for those people.

Starting point is 00:12:03 We want them to repent. That's the best thing that we could want for someone. But that doesn't mean that we sit back and we just say, yeah, that's fine to pretend that you're the opposite gender. I think some people, they just have a really perverted idea of what love. and hate actually looks like. Allie, because I'm talking to you and because I'm in the habit now, I got my living commentary Bible open and T.J. Mo gave me Andrew Womack's living commentary Bible, and I'm just, I'm looking

Starting point is 00:12:34 at passages that he notes that he puts in his limit of commentary, that we are commanded to hate. Psalms 97 and 10, Romans 12 and 9. We are to hate evil. And I'm just sorry, when you look at a person who has clear gender dysphoria and is confused about how they were made by God, and you don't talk to them in a compassionate way of like, hey, I understand you're confused, but you are a man. And here's how we can help you get through this. Again, anybody that's arguing the opposite, and it's like, no, we got to. to normalize this and let's cut your breast off, let's give you puberty rockers.

Starting point is 00:13:18 That's evil, particularly when you're doing it to children. And I'm not going to apologize for hating that. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles,

Starting point is 00:13:46 faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort, we ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this T-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts.

Starting point is 00:14:09 I hope you'll join us. Here's another story that I wanted to talk to you about, and that is this black equestrian story. I think I saw you talk about it on... on Twitter, that the New York Times reported the story on March 3rd. Black equestrians want to be safe, but they can't find helmets, Jason. There are no helmets available for black equestrians. And this black equestrian, Chanel Robbins, that they interviewed, said that, you know, she cannot find a helmet to fit over her dreadlocks.

Starting point is 00:14:52 So, like, tell me, is this something that you know, you have encountered as you have tried to also pursue your dreams of being an equestrian. Yeah, this was a big problem. You know, this was on the front page of the New York Times, as if, you know, all the issues we have going on in America, this is on the front page. This is front and center a concern for black Americans. And so how the helmet crisis for the ultra-privileged who can. even afford to become equestrians is on the front page of the New York Times as an issue facing

Starting point is 00:15:31 black America. I would love to compare that crisis versus the family crisis, the lack, our marriage rate, our divorce rate, our child illegitimacy rate. What really has impact on black people in a culture that isn't having the kind of success? Is it the lack of horse riding helmets? And I'm just sorry, as a former athlete, there's a lot of sacrifices you have to make for your career in athletics. If this woman is unwilling to cut her dreadlocks off in order to become an equestrian, perhaps she's really not that serious about it. Because when I think about all the sacrifices I made to be a college football player, everybody else is out late, drinking, doing whatever, socializing, and I'm going to bed

Starting point is 00:16:30 early, or I'm making this sacrifice, or I'm getting up at five in the morning to go work out, there are sacrifices you have to make. And so if you want to be an equestrian, cut your hair. That's not a huge sacrifice. But, you know, part of this thing, the left and many black women believe, like, hair is the most important thing that we have to offer the world. And, oh, my God, no one better talk about our hair, no one better touch our hair, no one better say anything about our hair. And so I guess that's how the New York Times came up with this is a major crisis facing Black America, the lack of helmets for women with dreadlocks. Yeah, it's not like you have to wear your hair like that.

Starting point is 00:17:18 That is a hairstyle that you are choosing to have. That white people also have dreadlocks, by the way, that wouldn't be able to fit in this helmet. If I wanted to, I like to wear my hair in a bun on top of my head sometimes. So if I tried to do that and to be an equestrian and put my helmet on top of my head and it didn't fit, I guess they could say that they're discriminating against suburban moms who like to, you know, I don't know, cook dinner with their hair on top of their heads. That's some kind of anti-white anti-woman discrimination campaign. But this is what the equestrians said in it.

Starting point is 00:17:54 They said these sports were only developed for white people. And they continue to keep white people protected. And I think the irony is, is that like a helmet that is this big around that only touches your hair probably wouldn't protect you if you fell on the girl. ground, right? Like, why can't we think about that kind of thing? I, they're basically arguing that, you know, God invented horses and it was only for white people. He built horses in a way that's more convenient for white people. And that's just a joke. And I just don't understand. How is this on the front page of the New York Times?

Starting point is 00:18:37 Front page. This is like, of any newspaper, this isn't a serious story. And I know the New York Times isn't a serious journalism organization, but they used to try to pretend. And to be quite honest, they used to be better than this. I was profiled twice in the New York Times during my newspaper career. And I got to be honest. And the last one, I think, was in 2009 or 2010, 2010. And the New York Times was very fair to me.

Starting point is 00:19:06 Both times they profiled me. I think 2010 and maybe in 2007, both times very fair. And then all of a sudden, it just changed on a dime where it is literally the worst publication I think I've ever read it. And I still, every day I wake up and say, I need to cancel my New York Times subscription. And maybe this equestrian story is the final straw and I'll finally do it. But I almost read it. I read it as like a hate follow that, you know, they're going to print something stupid that will give me good content. So I got to keep the subscription up.

Starting point is 00:19:40 Yeah. I kind of see it like that too because I subscribe and I guess it's for that reason when people talk about oh my gosh did you see this crazy bias story in the New York Times. I want to be able to read it which I understand only helps them but I want to be able to pull from the source and so I guess that's why I keep my subscription too. I just can't believe like you said that this made front page news. I mean how as you said like comparing it to the other issues that are facing different communities. I mean, can you really consider yourself marginalized or oppressed if the problem that you face that makes the front cover of the New York Times, not murder, not the disproportionate abortion rate, not the disproportionate poverty rate, but if what makes the front page is that you can't, which is such like a champagne problem anyway, like being an equestrian and having those problems. But like, how oppressed really are you if that is the reportable story? in your life that you don't have a helmet that fits dreads.

Starting point is 00:20:45 Like, when are we going to just give up this charade about the systemic oppression and marginalization of people whose real problems aren't really even reported on by outlets like the New York Times? The biggest charade going on is that the New York Times and liberal elites are pretending that they're fighting a fight for working class people and for working class or poor black people.

Starting point is 00:21:18 That's the charade. They're not doing that. They have no interest in that. And I came up with this probably 10 years ago or 15 years ago. It's like liberals love to criticize Ronald Reagan for trickle down economics. And I'm like liberals believe in trickle down social justice. The better you treat liberal elites, that justice is going to trickle down to poor people. And so you see a lot of black Ivy League educated, wealthy pundits and journalists arguing for things that will benefit them while pretending as if, now once I receive these benefits, it's going to rain down on you guys in the hood.

Starting point is 00:22:11 hood, but I got to receive the benefits first. And so they hated Reagan for trickle-down economics, but they love trickle-down social justice. Oh, that's a really good point. I haven't thought about that. But it like, you know, it doesn't trickle-down. I think trickle-down economics is largely legitimate. But the social justice stuff, when the corporations pretend to be, you know, care about the marginalized and things like that, and BLM even pretends to care about the marginalized, it doesn't actually translate it all into the communities that really need help. If anything, it does the opposite. It destroys them. The ideas, the policies that they push actually adversely affect the communities that they say that they're pushing for and actually foments more hate

Starting point is 00:22:57 and more division. It really just makes the people pushing it rich. So you're exactly right. That's the exact thing that they criticize trickle down economics for. It is actually true about trickle down social justice. Wow, that's a really good point. It's what I call pee down social justice. They pee on you and tell you it's raining. And it's funny. I don't know if you saw, I'm sure you didn't, but Chris Rock did a Netflix special live on Saturday. And it was great. And it was very profane. It'll be tough for Christians to watch. But much of what he was talking about had a biblical point of view and the right point of view, in my opinion. And one of the things he talked about was Lulu Lemon and they have signs outside their store, talking about we're not racist and blah, blah,

Starting point is 00:23:47 and he's just like, hey, man, I don't care if you are or aren't racist. Just sell them yoga pants at a reasonable price. You know, I'd rather have $20 yoga pants that are racist than $100 yoga pants that aren't racist. I think I spent, and he was speaking, mostly a black audience in Baltimore and everybody's wildly applauding. These companies and everybody with their little charade of pretending like they care when they really just want access to more and more money and to do business with more and more elites. They don't care about the working class.

Starting point is 00:24:31 And speaking of that Chris Rock special, I'm glad that you brought that up. So he said a lot of things that conservatives are talking about. It's so interesting how comedy is kind of entering this space. Some of the guys like Dave Chappelle, Joe Rogan, and Chris Rock, who, have been around for so long are kind of, you know, they're kind of leading the way and obviously not being conservative, but just saying things that are true, which apparently is a conservative characteristic. But he said also, you know, he talked about the Will Smith thing. And I want to hear your thoughts on that. But a lot of something that a lot of conservatives are talking about

Starting point is 00:25:04 is that he said, he said, there's part of me that's pro life before using humor to remind his audience that abortion is killing a baby. She said, He said, I believe women have the right to kill babies. Rock said, that's right. I'm on your side. I believe you have the right to kill as many babies as you want. Kill them all. I don't give an expletive. But let's not get it twisted. It is killing a baby. Whenever I pay for an abortion, I request a dead baby. Sometimes I call up a doctor like a hit man and I'm like, is it done? So, and then, well, he goes on to say, people argue about trimesters. I think women should have a right to kill a baby until they're four years old. F trimester, semester, I think you should be able to kill a baby until you get that first report card.

Starting point is 00:25:49 He ain't never getting a scholarship, so we're going to the clinic. So obviously, that's atrocious, and we don't agree with the choice. But he's making a point here. He's making a point that, like, let's get rid of all these euphemisms. Let's stop calling it reproductive rights. Let's stop lying to ourselves about what an abortion is, that it's just taking out pregnancy tissue, all these things that the pro-choice side says. And he just says, look, let's just say what it is.

Starting point is 00:26:12 you are absolutely killing a baby. Just say that you're for that. So I appreciate the honesty, at least. Oh, I will go a step further. I think it's more than just the honesty. I think he's staked out a pro-life position. He just did it very cleverly in a way that wouldn't get him canceled, in a way that caught pro-abortion people supporters by total surprise.

Starting point is 00:26:37 Because he starts out saying, I think a woman has to have final say over her body and there's wild applause. And then he goes into, but you aren't killing a baby. And he basically makes it crystal clear. This is murder. And if you go back and look at Chris Rock's history, the pro-abortion crowds had a problem with him

Starting point is 00:26:59 since at least 2005. I believe it was Slate magazine wrote a hit piece on him in 2005. because he was mocking the pro-abortion crowd in his routine and talking about, yeah, I go to abortion rallies because the women are all easy and slutty. And, you know, and Slate did a story that headlining said, Chris Rock is the William Effing Buckley of stand-up comedy. And so there's a long history.

Starting point is 00:27:32 I think in 2019 he got in trouble with the pro-abortion crowd. Again, there's a long history of Chris Rock. mocking these people and throwing it in their face like, nah, you guys are murderers. Deal with that. And just acknowledge that. I thought it was brilliant what he did in his comedy routine. I like comedy. I grew up on Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy and all that.

Starting point is 00:27:58 And so it's not hard for me to watch. Now, again, the profanity, the use of the N-word and it is hard. But I feel like in order to monitor the culture and to figure out what's going on in the culture, and it's kind of like a service to the artist, I have to watch this stuff and come back, tell people like, hey, here's what's going on. This is interesting. And so I really say to all Christians and believers, you should watch this and stomach some of the profanity to see that there are guys out here like Chris Rock. most of his jokes on Saturday, maybe all of them, were consistent with a biblical worldview.

Starting point is 00:28:41 Ali, he told jokes about how you know you're in a good neighborhood or not, and you can judge it by who's at home out in the neighborhood at 12 o'clock on a weekday. And he says, if you go to a neighborhood and there are women in sweatsuits, walking babies, riding bikes, and just leaving the gym, hey, you know you're in a good neighborhood. If you go to a neighborhood and there are men in sweatsuits out in the front yard, lifting weights or riding bikes, you know you're in a bad neighborhood because men need to be working. Wow. That's it's, it's, there were so many things.

Starting point is 00:29:19 He talked at the end about why he didn't fight, uh, Will Smith on stage at the Oscars. Oh, yeah. And this whole point. This was the ending. It was like, I got parents. I was raised. Yeah. He goes, I got parents.

Starting point is 00:29:32 I was raised. Hell yeah. And so it was much of what I thought what he did, it'll go over most people's heads. He talked about his oldest daughter and how stupid people say, you know, kids are born into the world pure and the culture just turns them bad. Blah, blah. He goes, you know who says that?

Starting point is 00:29:52 People without kids. He goes, because my oldest daughter, she came out and she's three, four, five. She's biting everybody. She's biting her grandmama. She's biting her, blah, blah. You think me and my wife taught her that? Yeah, right. And so it's all from like, he knows we're born into this world needing a savior.

Starting point is 00:30:12 Yeah. That we're all fallen. And so I'm just, if you can stomach the profanity, the messages, none of the jokes in there violated my core values of principles. And I was just like happy because if you turn on late night TV, every joke. pretty much violates my core values and principles. And, you know, I can appreciate that as, like, you know, Dave Chappelle, I would say he does have some jokes. And I'm like, oh, I don't think I agree with that. But like, I can take the

Starting point is 00:30:42 truth out of what he's saying and appreciate it. Same with Joe Rogan. Same with Ricky Jervais. Like, Ricky Jervais is an atheist. And he says a lot of things and jokes about a lot of things that I'll be honest. I'm like, you know what? That's offensive to me. But rather than doing what the laugh does and say, oh, my gosh, he shouldn't be able to talk or he shouldn't be able to tell a joke. I watch it or I don't and I say, okay, that was funny, that was not funny to me or that was true. That was not true. I feel like we've lost the ability to do that.

Starting point is 00:31:08 But I was looking up when you were talking about the Chris Rock thing. So I couldn't find going all the way back to 2005. But even just last year, Chris Rock said, he said in a special or at a show, he said, made a joke, a safe abortion is an abortion where only one person dies. I guess. So he is making the point that pro-lifers do. There's no such thing as a safe abortion because one person is always being intentionally killed. Like what other health care procedure are you purposely killing the person that you are operating on or that you're working with? And so you're right. Like that's really interesting. I never knew that. He makes these points and

Starting point is 00:31:50 says, yeah, I'm for abortion, but let's like just be honest about what abortion is. And I'm curious if he actually is, as you said, like is he really pro-choice, really? pro-bortion. I'm not sure, but I agree with you. It's really, really clever. John Swansberg wrote the Slate article, I believe, in 2005. You punch Chris Rock, the William Fing Buckley of stand-up in. That'll come up over Google or some reference. Maybe I saw the the Federalists may have written or someone at the National Review. But I read the article myself. He's got a long history of being basically who he was raised to be.

Starting point is 00:32:37 Chris Rock comes from a great two-parent nuclear family. He had six brothers and sisters. And they are the American dream. In his stand-up routine, he talked about his mother and how when she was growing up in a part of the south, the blacks had to go to a veterinarian oftentimes to get their teeth pulled because Dennis wouldn't see them. White Dennis wouldn't see them. And then he talks about like, my mother now twice a year flies to Europe to visit my daughter

Starting point is 00:33:14 who's in culinary school, I believe in pairs. And he's like, I got nothing to complain about it. Life is, you know, I came from nothing to my daughter being over in Paris in culinary school. It's Chris Rock, he's around my age, he's from my generation. My parents were divorced, but we had similar upbringings. And it's just great to see. I mean, look, look what's going on in comedy. Woody Harrelson went on Saturday Night Live and cracked jokes about Big Farmers.

Starting point is 00:33:52 And the medical trials, they've been forced and honest. And so I do think I'm feeling a bit more hopeful that the backlash to this very toxic satanic culture, even the Hollywood types with a lot of money, they've had enough of it, particularly if they have any memory about where they came from and what path was allowed for them to be successful. I mean, could you imagine? If Chris Rock had to deal with cancel culture, in his 20s and 30s, he wouldn't have the life that he has now.

Starting point is 00:34:26 So true. And so the comedian should be on the front lines. Look, it's been going, Bill Mars, clearly been red-pilled. You know, I really think the other side has gone just way too far. And people are starting to wake up. Yeah. They need people like you and me to bring them all the way over here and see their need for, you know, that God created the heavens and the earth and all that.

Starting point is 00:34:51 But we will link arms with people who don't agree with us on everything who at least see some of the absurdities. And just by the way, we don't have to talk about this anymore. But I did find based on some of the keywords that you said, that 2005 slate article where they said that he's the William effing buckley of comedy of stand up. And you know, it's funny because they're talking about how on what used to be Hannity and Colmes on Fox News, how they had a conservative actually. drudge on, say, complain about how awful Chris Rock is because of his abortion joke. His abortion said, or his abortion joke said, it's beautiful that abortion is legal because you know that the women there are sexually active and so you can pick them up. I don't think that they on Fox News realized, though, what you just said that he was doing something there. Like he was actually making a point

Starting point is 00:35:44 about abortion, the people who support abortion. Wow, that's really interesting. Yeah, he's basically saying, I have no respect for these women. I can use them. People can use them. They can be, they're trash. They're beneath me. And they're basically concubines. He's calling them out in the biggest way possible. It's very clever. Yeah, which is sad. Women, I want you to know out there, even if you consider yourself pro-choice, you are not trash. You're better than that. But there's a reason why trashing men are pro-abortion because they can use and abuse you without the long-term consequences. Actually, I saw, and I don't think we have it, but there is this video that we went viral on Twitter. I don't know if you saw it. And it was the guy. He having to be a black guy.

Starting point is 00:36:25 Seven kids. Yes. And he was talking. He was like, look, you know what? Like if you, if I get you pregnant, you need to go get an abortion. I know we made the mistake of, you know, laying down together, having sex together, but I'm not ready to be a dad. Don't come asking me for child support. And I think he said that he is like, you know, he has impregnated someone seven times and encouraging. them to get an abortion seven times. And, you know, I see all these, like, think pieces about all the systemic reasons why there's a disproportionate abortion rate among the black community. But I think it's probably the reason why a lot of people have unprotected sex that ends in abortion, because they feel like it, because they want to. It doesn't really go beyond that. And they're just

Starting point is 00:37:12 people who do that, who impregnate women and women who are a part of that, too, without any thought. they're just being irresponsible. I don't think it's really that complicated. Ali, I'm going to add this element because we talked about this on my show. I certainly recorded a video about it. That's about equality and men who buy into equality. And I don't buy into equality. I believe as a man, I'm more responsible than the woman when

Starting point is 00:37:49 we decide to get intimate. And so that guy believes in equality. He doesn't feel he has an extra burden or responsibility. He doesn't know anything about what God commands of men for leadership and to take responsibility. When things went haywire in the garden, God came and said, Adam, where are you? And he did that for a reason. And so if that man really understood his role, he would know, no, I'm not putting this on a one. I'm going to take care of myself and take care of her. If I'm going to have promiscuous and immoral sex, I'm going to do it responsibly with a condom. I'm not going to bring a child into my irresponsibility and then have that child murdered

Starting point is 00:38:38 or have that child raised without my involvement. That man was talking about he had seven kids with seven different women and that he had impregnated other women who he had talked into abortions or they were willing to have abortions because I told him I wasn't raising no baby. And what I heard primarily was just an irresponsible man who's brought into equality and he thinks that every woman he lays down with is his equal. And so anything the results from this is all on her. I bear no responsibility. That man's a coward and he's an uneducated coward. And people hear me and I've been critical of single mothers and people get upset with me like I'm blaming it all on the mothers.

Starting point is 00:39:24 No, men, irresponsible men, men who have bought into this matriarchal culture, men who think women are the true leaders. And so they're perfectly fine dumping all the responsibility on a woman. You better be on the pill. You better make sure you don't get pregnant. And if you do get pregnant, it's on you to provide for that child, or it's on you to murder that child. That's a man dumping all the responsibility on a woman because he's bought in to the mentality of the feminist, of this whole super equality, and that women really are the natural true leaders. He's bought into all that. It's a coward. He has mentally transitioned. He's a mental transition. He's a mental transgender. He just, you know, decided to keep his stick and balls. Oh, man, that's the one way to put

Starting point is 00:40:23 it. And I'll just speak to the women. Actually, I saw something that Chris Rock said, he said, he said, women, stop letting broke men get you pregnant, which I think is a good piece of advice. But, you know, obviously we would go a step further. And I would say women, stop sleeping with people that are not to your husband, period. If he is not willing to, sacrifice the freedom of singleness or even dating for you, then he is not someone that you should be giving your body to because whether you like it or not, consent to sex is consent to pregnancy. People who say those are two different things. That's like saying consent to eating isn't consent to digestion.

Starting point is 00:41:02 It goes together. And even if you use protection, there's always a risk of it. So if you are not ready to have a baby, do not have sex. And you shouldn't be having it's not, it's not as healthy for anyone to have a baby. outside of marriage. So just do the smart thing. I know, I'm not saying that that's easy for everyone, but gosh, there's an order to life. There's an order to life. Go ahead. I want to add one more thing. And I'm sorry, what I'm about to add is probably very secular, but it just comes down to responsibility. And so if you're a woman and you want a relationship

Starting point is 00:41:40 with a man or friendship, whatever, if he's not willing to make the smallest, the tiniest of sacrifices for your benefit. And so, again, this is very secular. But if that man is not willing to deny himself a half percent less pleasure by putting a condom on, just a half percent less pleasure to protect you and him. That's not a man you want to marry. He's not willing to make the tiniest of sacrifices. So true. Because whether or not he has a condomor will not impact you as a woman. Your pleasure will be the same. So he's not willing to sacrifice a tiny fraction of pleasure for your benefit, for his benefit, and for a potential child benefit. That's not. That's not. someone you want to marry. That's someone you want to avoid. That man will not, if he won't make

Starting point is 00:42:45 that tiny sacrifice, you think he's going to get up and go to work on days he's not feeling well to take care of you and your baby and your family and your household. You think he's going to sacrifice? You think he's going to be monogamous to you, the sacrifice that goes along with men as it relates to monogamy? He's not, he won't put a condom on. What's going to stop him from going to strip clubs and trying to hook up with whoever he can as long as you don't find out, he's not willing to make any sacrifice. He's not worthy of you. Yeah. And I would say outside of the grace of God, that is true. Because we know stories, of course, of like, okay, that happens. And the guy realizes his mistake or he realizes what he did. He mans up. They get married. He starts to work.

Starting point is 00:43:31 Of course, that happens. I would say that's the exception, but that happens. But not outside of the grace of God. Like, it is the grace and the strength of God that might bring that person to repentance and, you know, makes, or some or another authority, maybe that guy who made the mistake has a dad that tells him, hey, buddy, like, you did this. You need to now own up to it and you are going to take care of them. But, like, as you're saying, that is the exception to the rule. So women, be more discerning. Be more discerning. You're right. They don't deserve you. All right. Gosh, there's a couple other stories. But. I think we only have time to get to one.

Starting point is 00:44:20 Okay, this, I don't know if you've seen this. It's a story out of Ohio. And we were talking earlier about how BLM and these organizations, these corporations that push this stuff, they're actually perpetuating a lot of harm and fomenting a lot of hate. They're not talking about the things that we're talking about, the importance of fatherhood, the importance of responsibility,

Starting point is 00:44:39 the importance of working hard. Instead, they're pushing on young black kids that you need to hate white people and pushing on white kids. kids that you need to hate yourself. And this manifested itself at a school in Ohio. Springfield, Ohio, last month, police were called the Kenwood Elementary School. After the school's principal informed police that a group of black students, that a group of black students were gathering several white students on a spot of the playground and forcing them to state

Starting point is 00:45:11 black lives matter against their will. Students that attempted to avoid the situation were chased down, escorted, dragged and carried to that spot of the playground and then forced to say Black Lives Matter. One student was punched in the head by one of the suspects. Two parents say that their 12-year-old son was one of the students gathered on the playground to make the declaration. And so, I mean, maybe this is just a one-off. Maybe this is just a rare thing. We know that kids bully. Okay, kids bully and they say stupid things. And so I don't want to hold them to a higher standard than we should. But I do just have to wonder, is all the Black Lives Matter, curriculum and stuff that we're pushing on kids? Is it actually helping bring us together?

Starting point is 00:45:53 Or are we now living MLK's nightmare? We're living MLK's nightmare. We're living a racial nightmare. We're living in the world that Joe Biden, you know, predicted or we're living in a racial. jungle where we've pitted kids against each other rather than kids seeing the humanity and the common ground that they have with each other, rather than kids seeing each other as image bearers of God, we've turned them into identity-obsessed folks along racial lines. and the BLM movement has made black kids think they're entitled,

Starting point is 00:46:47 they're owed something by their white peers. And that's a recipe for death because maybe you'll get some kids to bow on a knee and drop down and say Black Lives Matter, but your sense of entitlement's not going to stop there. That's not going to satisfy your sense of entitlement. And so you'll be waiting around a long, long time for some other kids or another group of people to do something for you that God and the world require that you do for yourself. And so I did see this story. I saw the video.

Starting point is 00:47:24 It's disturbing. And it's, again, kids do bully and do all kinds of silly things. But we have certainly taught them this as adults, that, hey, you black students. you black kids, you're old something, and if white people won't give it to you, they're racist, and they are worthy of derision and bullying, and, you know, if the message

Starting point is 00:47:50 that's being sent out is so antithetical to how I grew up and what was going on in my generation, but the message, if I'm a white parent sitting out there, it's just like, I don't know if I want to hassle. hassle. Let me move away because again, I don't, I could be well-intentioned and say the wrong thing and the next thing you know, I'm the worst person on the planet. Kids are fascinated by each other. And I've talked about this before. People are fascinated

Starting point is 00:48:27 by each other. And so kids want, oh, you got different hair than me. Let me touch it. What does it feel like. We've turned this into the most racist thing in the world that, oh my God, how could you touch someone's hair? And how could you want to feel what that feels like? And we've got to all pretend like all of our hairs feel the same. It's just not true. We're stopping kids from doing what comes natural to them. Kids generally just want to play with each other and have a good time, but we've programmed them to hate each other and to hate the differences, the surface level differences they see in each other. That's what has me so passionate and upset.

Starting point is 00:49:11 It's just not my childhood experience. And we're giving these kids a completely different childhood experience that is not fun. It's not fair. It's not healthy. It's driving us apart. And it's just sad. Yeah. I went to Africa.

Starting point is 00:49:33 when I was in high school and we went to an orphanage there. And what did all the little kids want to do when they saw us girls? They wanted to play with our hair. They wanted to touch our hair. They hadn't seen blonde hair before. They hadn't felt the texture of our hair. And I got to say, Jason, I'm just still, I'm just still so offended to this day. I'm sure those little orphans in Africa, you know, they were discriminating against me.

Starting point is 00:49:57 I should probably get a story on the cover of the New York Times for it. Well, all these problems. all these problems that we have. We talked about a lot of them today. You're actually doing something. You're doing something about it. And one of the things that you're doing is that you're gathering men together. Because as you talk about so much, so many of the problems that we have actually comes down to the responsibility of dads and the responsibility of fathers is, you know, as capable as women are, as important as women are. We just, we don't have the same capabilities. We don't have the same responsibilities as men do. And that is why you're bringing men together.

Starting point is 00:50:32 and an event on April 15th, Fearless Army Roll Call. So tell us what this is, why men should be signing up for this and how they can register. When I was younger and first getting into sports riding, Bill McCartney, the head football coach at the University of Colorado, had something called promise keepers. And men would come together to celebrate their shared love for Jesus Christ and remind each other of their roles and responsibilities in this world. And Bill McCartney is, you know, no longer the head coach of Colorado and promise keepers has lost. It had a lot of traction, a lot of success in the 90s and early 2000s. And so I want to bring that back, but I want to

Starting point is 00:51:24 bring it back with a bit of a musical aspect to it because I'm here in Music City in Nashville, and I believe that music has a tremendous power to bring people together. Music has been rigged in this society to divide people at the moment. But I think gospel music and just music in general, if sung properly and used properly, can bring us together. And so we're going to bring men here to Nashville. We're myself, Pastor Anthony Walker that appears on the show, T.J. Moe, Pastor Bobby Herring, and Delano's Choirs, we're going to give a series of lectures and talks about the responsibility

Starting point is 00:52:09 of men and try to inspire men to go back to their communities, to go back to their families, and live up to this biblical role that was spelled out in the Bible. Part of our slogan for the roll call is bearing witness requires courage, not perfection. that's a big thing for me because I use my own journey to try to explain to guys. Hey, don't wait to get perfect and then come to God. Come to God and let him work on you and he will start weeding out the flaws. The more I wear my Christian faith publicly, the more it locks me into behavior that God would approve of and be pleased with. when I was hiding my Christian faith.

Starting point is 00:53:02 My Christian faith was always there, but I kept it covered up so that I could run out into the world and do whatever I wanted to do and have no one judge me as a Christian. And I want to be judged as a Christian because being judged as a Christian makes it so, oh, Jason Whitlock can't go into a strip club

Starting point is 00:53:23 because he would look like a fool. Jason Whitelach, he's a Christian's in here. Oh my God. I would look like a fool. So I started wearing my faith publicly, and it's like there's all kinds of things I can't do. And that's actually a good thing. I need limit. I'm a fallen person.

Starting point is 00:53:42 We all are. We need limits on our behavior. And so when I'm reminding myself constantly that I'm a Christian, it's like, when I get cut off in traffic, I don't throw my finger out the window. I remember, oh, I'm a Christian. We don't do that. And so we just want. to inspire men to wear their faith. You don't have to be perfect. I'm very flawed. We're all very flawed. We just need courage. And then once you put on that armor of God, watch how much better

Starting point is 00:54:13 you'll be. Watch how much happier your wife will be with you. How much happier your children will be with you. How much more effective you'll be on your job. And how much more willing you will be to stand up against these very toxic forces we have tearing this country down. Once you get into the Bible, once you start listening to God's Word, you'll understand our Constitution and the values that made this country great. You'll understand why America's Constitution allowed us to improve and improve and increase freedom and rights to so many people that everybody's bank. on the door to get into America, all this, this horribly racist country, but you got black people

Starting point is 00:55:04 and brown people from all over the world that would give anything to live here. This is the safest, most prosperous, most opportunity rich land in the planet, on the planet for black people. Yeah. That's just the fact. And it got that way because of our constitutional founding, You know, our Constitution was laced with biblical values. And so we're just going to hammer those points. We're going to sing some music, have some music there, have some food. It's going to be a good time. And everybody's going to go home inspired and a better man, a better husband, a better father, brother, uncle, community leader.

Starting point is 00:55:49 We just want to do that. And this will be the first of what we hope will be many that will take. around the country the way Bill McCartney and the promise keepers did. And so soon we'll be coming to Dallas or coming to Atlanta or coming to Los Angeles or coming to Buffalo. Who knows? Good, good. Well, I'm so excited for that.

Starting point is 00:56:08 It's in Nashville this time, April 15th. And tell us what the, what's the website? I don't have it pulled up in front of me. Fearless Army rollcall.com. Fearless Armyrollcall.com. Sweet. And people can just go to the description of this. episode. You can click on it. It'll be right there. If you're anywhere close, driving distance,

Starting point is 00:56:29 whatever, make it to Nashville or have your husbands make it to Nashville for April 15th. It is going to be awesome. Jason, thank you so much. Everyone subscribe to his YouTube channel, the fearless Jason Whitlock YouTube channel. Also subscribe wherever you listen to your podcast. They're always bringing really good insight. Thanks so much, Jason. Thank you, Allie. Hey, this is Steve Deast. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news

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