Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 782 | 'Pronoun Hospitality' Is Sin: Rosaria Butterfield’s Confession

Episode Date: April 4, 2023

Today we're looking at Uganda's "Anti-Homosexuality Bill 2023" and the response from the U.S. Two weeks ago Uganda passed legislation that would rather severely criminalize homosexuality. We first look at a Washington Post opinion piece that argues that much of Africa is "marching back on LGBT rights" and reveals quite a bit about how leftists see their own morality in comparison to the rest of the world. The Ugandan bill is waiting to be signed by Uganda's president, but what was the United States' response? Threatening to withdraw aid. We discuss the Left's insistence on imposing its ideas of what equality should look like, when it's clear that Africa doesn't care at all what leftists think. Then, Rosaria Butterfield posted an article yesterday in which she repents for her previous use of preferred pronouns and calling other Christians to do the same. We explain why her view is exactly right and why Christians who disagree are missing the big picture and risking their witness. --- Timecodes: (00:49) Intro / merch (03:16) Uganda Washington Post article (12:12) Uganda Bill specifics (16:33) U.S. response (22:48) Tweet responses (26:23) Rosaria Butterfield & pronouns --- Today's Sponsors: EdenPURE — when you buy one Thunderstorm you get one FREE, this week only! Go to EdenPureDeals.com, use promo code 'ALLIE'! Patriot Mobile — go to PatriotMobile.com/ALLIE or call 878-PATRIOT and use promo code 'ALLIE' to get free activation! Quinn's Goat Soap — goat soap smells amazing and feels great on your skin, and cleans and moisturizes at the same time. Go to QPGoatSoap.com and use code “ALLIE” for 10% off the total order. Good Ranchers — get FREE bacon, great meat, a secure price, and a bonus of $20 OFF today at GoodRanchers.com – make sure to use code 'ALLIE' when you subscribe.  --- Links: Washington Post: "It’s not just Uganda. Much of Africa is marching backward on LGBT rights." https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/02/uganda-africa-lgbt-intolerance-bill/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter Fox News: "White House floats cutting Uganda health aid over Anti-Homosexuality Act" https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-floats-cutting-uganda-health-aid-anti-homosexuality-act reformation21: “Why I no longer use Transgender Pronouns—and Why You shouldn’t, either.” https://www.reformation21.org/blog/why-i-no-longer-use-transgender-pronouns-and-why-you-shouldnt-either --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 335 | Understanding the Biblical Telos of Gender https://apple.co/3Mor0rE Ep 619 | Pronoun Police Go After Brave Middle Schoolers | Guests: Rose Rabidoux & Luke Berg https://apple.co/3nJNwkK --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Christian author and former LGBTQ activist Rosaria Butterfield is now publicly repenting for up until recently using transgender pronouns and her public announcement of this repentance is actually incredible. Also, America is reportedly threatening to take away aid from Uganda because Uganda is set to criminalize homosexuality. What in the world does all this mean? We'll be getting into it today.

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for a while and now is the perfect time because it's back in the news. And that is what is happening in Uganda right now. Uganda, obviously, a country in Africa. And they are passing a bill. They're debating a bill right now that criminalizes homosexuality. And America is saying, wait, not so fast. Or really, I should say the American left. So the American government is saying, what are you doing over there in Uganda? No, we don't think so. You need to be in line with us. morally. And so they are trying to impose our Western American LGBTQ values on this country in Africa. So here's how that is all shaking out and why I think this is so significant and ironic in such a sad and darkly funny way. So there was an opinion article that was published in the

Washington Post just a couple days ago titled, It's Not Just Uganda. Much of Africa is marching backwards on LGBT rights. Even that headline is interesting to me, because that indicates that Ford's is what? Ford's is not just saying that we need to be okay with homosexuality or that we need to legalize gay marriage. But if we're looking at Ford in the United States, that means drag shows for children. That means children dancing in drag. That means in elementary schools, kids being presented through books and curricula.

this idea that you should be thinking about your sexuality, you should be thinking about whether or not your genitalia matches your feelings on the inside. So in America, that's what we see as Ford. We see as Ford the chemical castration of 10-year-old boys. We see as Ford teenage women, teenage girls who are confused about their gender getting their breasts cut off. We see Ford as cross-sex hormones. We see moving Ford on the LGBTQ issue as, as men competing against women and girls going into women and girls' bathrooms and facilities and occupying domestic abuse shelters. And so apparently the American left in the United States, who believe they have a monopoly on progress, they think that Africa needs to go in the direction

of the United States. Now, don't you think that any just kind of common sense person outside of the West and especially outside of or really particularly outside of the U.S. looks at what we're doing and saying that doesn't look like Ford to me. That actually looks backwards. That looks perverse. That looks depraved. Like I don't even know if you necessarily have to have a Christian worldview to look at what we're doing in the U.S. when it comes to gender and the reconstruction of the family without

even considering a little bit, the Reaper. on the development of children and say, I'm not so sure that that is forward. I'm not so sure that is towards this kind of horizon of moral betterment. And that, of course, is what the left thinks. And that's also just an interesting note. We've only gotten to the headline, but it's just an interesting note about the worldview, the philosophy, the theology of the left, that they believe that there is some horizon. There is some horizon of, moral perfection that we are supposed to be moving toward. And conservatives, especially conservative Christians are all holding us back and trying to bring us backward. And they've been trying to

move us forward. And that's kind of their eschatology. That's what they think about what the in times are going to look like. Of course, they don't have the same idea of the in times as we do, those of us who believe in the Bible, but they believe in the same kind of idea that they are bringing a kingdom here on earth of total equality, total equity, and total liberation. And that means sexual liberation, gender liberation, economic liberation, all of these things. So even in this headline of this opinion article in the Washington Post indicates so much about how the left and how progressives see human beings, see sexuality, see identity, and see morality and eschatology. So there's a lot packed in there. Let's see what this person actually.

actually says, hang on, I got to click on it because my notes don't say, okay, so it's by the editorial board, okay, by the editorial board of the Washington Post. So Uganda is hardly alone. The article says in its anti-LGB posture of the 64 or so countries that still criminalized same-sex relationships, at least half, at least 32 by most counts, are in Africa. Well, generally the world is moving toward more acceptance on LGBT rights. Africa forms a near unanimous block of intolerance. See, so this is also funny because you know the left believes that there is some multinational, multi-ethnic coalition of the oppressed that is made up of black and brown,

indigenous, atheist, agnostic people, non-Christians that are all fighting against the bourgeoisie of white, Christian nationalist supremacist. Like that is how the critical race theory view of the world functions. That it's the oppressed versus the oppressor, the black and brown, the poor. They are all on the side of the marginalized. Those white privileged cis hetero Christian people are on the side of the oppressor. And in their minds, everyone on the side of the oppressor.

and in their minds, everyone on the side of the oppressed should agree when it comes to sexuality and morality and things like that. And that's just a faulty view of the world. It's a faulty view of human beings. It's a faulty view of cultures. And that's why ultimately their worldview, their understanding of how things work, really breaks down. And so they are lamenting that the continent has widespread homophobia too often enshrined in law and repeatedly upheld by the courts. They give some different examples. And Vice President Harris, on her recent three-nation trip to the continent beginning, March 27, talked about the need for African countries to ensure all people be treated equally.

And look, Africa does have a problem with this. Like, I'm not saying that Africa is some beacon of morality over there. There are a lot of issues. Slavery still exists. The way that women are treated in and out. side of marriages in many African countries is abhorrent. Religious minorities, racial minorities in the continent of Africa are not treated well. So I'm not saying that I am on the side of African's view of human rights. But for America to point fingers at Africa, because they are not

embracing homosexuality or drag queens, the way that we want them to, is not just hypocritical because we've got so many moral issues here. But it's also hypocritical in the sense that the left is always talking about the dangers of colonialism and imperialism, that Americans and especially white people and Christians have tried to colonize black and brown countries. We've tried to imperialize black and brown and poor countries and use them for our own enrichment, try to impose our values on the rest of the world and just how dangerous and evil and violent that's been. That's what the left does.

That's what they're doing right now by trying to impose our ideas of what equality should look like on the nation of Africa. Africa apparently doesn't want anything to do with how we see human beings and human nature and morality. So like why are we getting involved in this? So let me explain to you what this bill actually is. the Washington Post is crying about it and why the United States is now saying, we might punish you for that. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political.

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So this bill, right now, I believe that we are still waiting for it to be signed into law, I believe. Right now, I think it is still. going before President Musavini, and he has 30 days to sign it. And so it passed the parliament on March 21st, and now I think we're going to wait to see if he's actually going to sign it. So let me tell you what's in it. And I'm not saying that I agree with all of this. I'm not saying that.

I'm just telling you the contents of it. Aggravated homosexuality could face 10 years in prison. So that means offense committed against a minor, a person living with HIV or a person with a disability. Same-sex marriage, the attempt to marry someone who is your same-sex, could face 10 years in prison. The person conducting the marriage could face two years in prison or lose their license. Aiding and abetting homosexuality and conspiracy to engage in homosexuality could face up to two years in prison. Promoting homosexuality could lead to a fine of $5,000 of currency points. that's equivalent to about $26,000 in U.S. dollars or face two to five years in prison.

If a corporate body or association promotes homosexuality, they face losing their certificate of registration. So, okay, they are doing whatever they think is necessary to try to curb the promotion of homosexuality. in their country. And I guarantee it's because they're looking at the West and how we are absolutely disintegrating. They're looking at the United States and they're like, okay, well, it's not just about the trans stuff. Like, we need to back up a little bit and make sure that we are promoting natural marriage and natural relationships. And so after this bill was passed, here's what the chamber looked like.

This country will stand firm. And once she passed, I can tell you, Madam Speaker, we are going to reinforce the law enforcement officers to make sure that homosexuals have no space in Uganda. Wow. Okay, so they were cheering after this bill was passed. And then here's the president. He gave a speech a couple weeks ago saying, basically indicating that he is going to support and sign this bill. This is President Musavini of Uganda. The homosexuals are.

deviations from normal. This deviant is he deviant by nature or by nature. We need a medical opinion on that. The Western countries should stop wasting the time of humanity by trying to impose their practices on other peoples. I mean, he's correct. And not the West should. stop wasting their time trying to impose our values on Uganda when it comes to an issue of morality and when it comes to an issue of sexuality when it comes to the formation of the family why should we be getting involved in what Uganda has to say about that so I think he's correct and by the way homosexuality is a deviation from a natural life-bearing use So he is correct about that. And again, I'm not saying Uganda doesn't have its own other problems with human rights. I won't pretend like I'm well-versed in all of the laws of Uganda, but just what we know about how the government has function and how the people there fare in light of how the government functions, I would say that there are probably some other issues. But I don't see why the U.S. needs to involve itself.

or interrupt this democratic process that is going on here in Uganda. If we are so pro-democracy and anti-imperialism, as the left is always saying. But here is the press secretary, Corinne Jean-Pierre, saying, oh, no, we absolutely have something to say about what Uganda is doing with homosexuality. We have grave concerns with the passage of the Anti-Homosexuality Act, AHA, by the Parliament of Uganda yesterday, and increasing violence targeting LGBTQI plus persons, if the AHA is signed into law and enacted,

it would impinge upon universal human rights, jeopardize progress in the fight against HIV-AIDS, deter tourism, and invest in Uganda, and damage Uganda's international reputation. The bill is one of the most extreme anti-LGBQI-plus laws in the world. Human rights are universal. No one should be attacked and imprisoned

or killed simply because of who they are or whom they love. I don't like to know how big of a problem this even is in Uganda. I guarantee there's no one who thinks that they're the opposite sex in Uganda. Like, I guarantee you that there is no man in Uganda that is

trying to become a woman or wear a dress. I mean, that's a very luxurious problem that we have here in the United States, it's not like naturally occurring or organic. It's not like real that all of these men all of a sudden realize that their whole lives they've actually been in the wrong body. That's the product of widespread pornography. It is also the product of propaganda that is being pushed by the medical industry because it makes them a lot of money by ideologues, by perverts. So it's very manufactured here in the United States. I highly doubt that transgenderism is this widespread

problem in Uganda. I also just think it's interesting. Again, a worldview issue here that she is talking about universal human rights. Who says what a universal human right is? Like, who determines that? Who defines that? Because in the leftist world, the government is the highest form of authority. Of course, in our world, we believe that God is the highest form of authority. So he decides on and defines what a human right is and tells us why. Because they all. obviously don't believe that human beings are made in the image of God, and therefore we have rights given to us by him that cannot arbitrarily be taken away by the government. We also don't believe that they can redefine marriage or redefine gender. The left does believe that

human beings, and especially the state has the power to define and redefine those things. And so who is saying what a universal human right is? Why does what America says is a universal human right Trump, what Uganda says, is a human right. Now, I think that's an interesting debate, by the way. I think that absolutely can be debated. But from the leftist morally bankrupt mentality, the god of self mentality that progressivism rests on, I'm not really sure her argument for objective truth really stands up to scrutiny. I mean, these are the same people who talk about moral relativism, cultural relativism. White people can't tell black people what is right and wrong. America can't tell China that communism is bad, whatever. But all the sudden, they're very sure about objective morality and universal truth when it comes to gay sex. Very interesting how they pick and choose those things. Okay, so the U.S. is now talking about doing something about this.

This is something that the United States is done. Hey, if you don't follow our values and our laws when it comes to these different issues, then we're going to have to look at some of the money that we've been giving to you. So the U.S. does give assistance to Uganda. We give assistance to lots and lots and lots of countries, and it really doesn't do anything in the way of helping the people that live there. What's that Ron Paul quote, foreign aid is money given by poor people in rich countries.

to rich people in poor countries. And that's absolutely true. Typically, when we're giving foreign aid, it is just lining the coffers, filling the coffers of the people in charge there and doesn't actually trickle down to the people in the country that actually need it. So that's probably true of Uganda,

but we're still able to pull some strings because we are giving financial aid. So we give them about $950 million a year which is wild. The U.S. government plays a key role in improving health outcomes by strengthening Uganda's capacity to sustainably address emergency health threats, tuberculosis, malaria, maternal child health, family planning. U.S. exports to Uganda include machinery, optical and medical CDs, instruments, wheat and aircraft. U.S. imports from Uganda include coffee, cocoa, base metals, and fish. And so apparently America is reevaluating our relationship with Uganda and the help that we give to Uganda.

The U.S. National Security Council is talking about how terrible this is. The UN is talking about how terrible this is. I mean, this is absolutely wild. Absolutely wild. The slavery that exists in China and in Africa, that's not enough to make the United Nations, like, perk up and say, oh, maybe we should do something about the million Uighur Muslims that are enslaved. in China, that's not enough. But someone says, and we're not going to promote homosexuality. Excuse me, says the UN. Okay. So some responses that people have been giving Delano Squires,

one of my favorite guests. And he's a contributor to Jason Whitlock's show. He says, watch all of the anti-colonialists at the Washington Post and the New York Times demand at the West use its political and economic power to make African Christian nationalist countries. like Kenya and Uganda bend the need to pride. Narratives are about to get seriously scrambled. It's so true. The narratives are getting seriously scrambled. And we've been talking about this for a long time,

how the left is imperialist by nature, not just when it comes to other countries, but every institution in the United States. Perhaps Uganda, Delano, says, doesn't want its culture colonized by the West again. Maybe the people there would rather fly their own flag than yours. And this is a picture of the weird pride flag that we have. Like maybe they're looking at someone like Rachel Levine and like, well, I don't think we can take the United States seriously, which I think is fair. Now, the U.S. USA Today is saying that it's not true that U.S. is threatening to cut off Uganda aid if it doesn't legalize homosexuality. But their fact check was actually based on a 2014 law. They didn't even acknowledge the current bill or what Karin Jean-Jon-Jon-Jon.

Pierre said in her press briefing. And so I'm just not so sure that the USA today is caught up on what's really going on. It does seem like that's what the United States is saying. Uganda and the United States have been going back and forth on this for a long time. It's so strange how this is such a high priority for the U.S. I want you to stop and consider why that could possibly be. All right. I think that's all I have to say about the Uganda stuff.

Also, I've been wanting to talk about El Salvador. They've gotten really serious about crying there. And of course, the American NGO world is decrying how mean they're being to these violent and murderous in raping and trafficking gang members. This is what the U.S. does. Like our activist class, our political class, their morality is so upside down and so warped that they are more concerned with pushing depravity and pushing. lawlessness in other countries, then they are actually fixing the real problems that we face.

It's crazy. It's crazy. Okay. Here's something that's not crazy. Here's something that is extremely sane. And that is Rosaria Butterfield. She posted an article yesterday in Reformation 21, titled Why I No Longer Use Transgender Pron nouns and Why You Shouldn't either. Oh, I was so excited to see this article. I love Rosaria Butterfield and the work that she has contributed. If you don't know who she is, she is a woman who was a lesbian for her entire adult life. She was a professor of queer theory. And so in that way, she was extremely progressive. And then she became a Christian. When she became a Christian, she was, like all Christians are, called, she was called to deny herself to take up her cross and to follow Christ. She became a new creation. She realized that part of that

was honoring God with her relationships, honoring God with her sexuality, honoring God with her identity, with who she was. And so she actually left the partner that she had been with, I think, for 20 years realizing that God was calling her to conform her life, to conform her love with what the Bible says is good and right and true. As we've talked about many times, the Bible is so crystal clear about gender and marriage. It's rooted in creation, Genesis 1-27. It's repeated or reiterated through out scripture, like honor your father and mother. It's repeated by Jesus in Matthew 19.

It is representative of Christ in the church as we read in Ephesians 5. And in that way, it is reflective of the gospel. The Bible starts with a marriage in Genesis. It ends with a marriage between Christ, the brideg, and Church, the bride in Revelation. So the definition of marriage is male and female has not only physical reproductive significance, but also has gospel eternal significance. It's non-negotiable for the Christian.

So Rosaria realizing that after she was justified by Christ, after she was saved by grace through faith, through sanctification, God also confronted her with this sin that she had to let go up. And so she's written a couple books about this. she wrote what ended up being a viral response to Gin Hatmaker several years ago when Jin Hatmaker came out and said, you know what, I'm a Christian that is pro-LGBQ Rosaria Butterfield said, no, no, no, no, that is not how you love people. You don't affirm them in their sin. You don't push them away from what God says is best for them. In that way, you were actually

hating them. You were actually harming them. She said several times that part of her testimony is that the people who brought Christ to her, that they gained her trust by telling her the truth, by telling her the truth, by refusing to lie to her. And so, however, because I think she is so empathetic towards people who have been in that world who are a part of that community because she believes so deeply and the importance of building relationships through kindness with people who are not believers, She did kind of give in to this idea, which is propagated by people like Preston Sprinkle, of so-called pronoun politeness.

So using someone's stated pronouns that oppose their biology, transgender pronouns, in an effort to connect with them, in an effort to build a relationship with them. Now, we've been talking for several years on this show, and of course, we're not the only ones who have said this, not the only Christians who have stated their belief, that using pronouns that you know, that you know do not correspond to that person's biology is a sin. And ultimately, it's unhelpful. If I know a man is a man who identifies as a woman, I am not going to call him she because I am not supposed to lie. And I care more about honoring God who says very clearly in Genesis

1 that he made them male and female than I do appeasing this. person's feelings. And I do believe that there is there is the possibility of having a kind conversation with that person explaining why you need to affirm the truth and why it's so important to affirm this very good and purposeful reality that God made them male or female, made them in his image. He did not make a mistake when they gave, when he gave them their chromosomes, whatever they may be. And so you have to affirm that reality, affirming that goodness of them being made in God's image and affirming the fact that their body is good. So we have been on that page for a very long time, but there have been people like Preston Sprinkle, like several others,

and I guess Rosaria Butterfield, who said, no, no, no, to be kind, to be nice, to try to get my foot in the door, I am going to use preferred pronouns. So she now, though, realizes that that is a sin. That's what she calls it. She calls it a sin. And she is publicly repenting of that sin. And praise God that she has the humility and the strength to do that, that she is so sure of her identity and security in Christ that she's not afraid of people criticizing her or saying, how could you make that mistake? More of us need to have that humility and confidence in Christ to be able to do that. So she says that her use of transgendered pronouns recently, up until recently, was not a mistake. It was sin. Public sin requires public repentance, not just course

Correction, I publicly sent on the issue of transgender pronouns, which I've carelessly used in books and articles. I've publicly sent by advocating for the use of transgender pronouns in interviews and public Q&As. She says, why did I do this? I have a bunch of lame and backside covering excuses. Here are a few. It was a carryover from my gay activist days. She said, I wanted to meet everyone where they were and do nothing to provoke insult. She said, getting this wrong is not a matter of personal liberty. How is using transgender pronouns sinful?

You might ask. She says, using transgendered pronouns is a sin against the Ninth Commandment and encourages people to sin against the 10th commandment. Using transgender pronouns is a sin against the creation ordinance. Using transgender pronouns is a sin against image bearing. It discourages a believer's progressive sanctification and falsifies the gospel. It cheapens redemption. It tramples on the blood of Christ.

Using transgender pronouns fails to love. my neighbor as myself. It fails to offer genuine Christian hospitality and instead yields the definition of hospitality to liberal communitarianism, identity politics, and human flourishing. It's a sin because the Bible defines it a sin. Sin does not lose its evil because of our good intentions or the personal sensibilities of others. Changing cultural forces can bring sin into fresh light. But a renewed focus is no excuse for sin and no dodge for repentance. Not for a real Christian. She says, so I repent. And then she calls out some Christians who have been saying the opposite. And I'll get to that in just one second. She says,

psychologist Mark Yarr House, and author Preston Sprinkles, summarized the Christian case for transgender pronouns. They believe using transgender pronouns is respectful of one's chosen identity. It's kind and courteous and necessary for continuing a relationship with a transgender person. I once simply said all these things too, but this position makes no Christian sense. Yes, and amen, Rosaria Butterfield. And how sad is it that are like smartest public Christians can't wrap their head around this? But I mean, gosh, we all need grace because they're all misunderstandings. I mean, there are many misunderstandings that all of us have.

So I shouldn't. I'm trying not to issue critical. in that way. But when someone like Preston Sprinkle builds his platform on this lie and deceive so many Christians into believing that lying is loving, then I think I am justified in taking issue with it. But it is, it's just hard for me to understand how Christians who love Jesus, who know their Bible, cannot see so obviously that this is a lie and harmful. She says, does any real Christian believe crafting a relationship on falsehood will give the gospel a better hearing? who let me read that again does any real christian believe crafting a relationship on falsehood will give the

gospel a better hearing and is that how people are converted by meeting god on sins terms and hearing nice things about themselves. Wow. Christian author and counselor Laura Perry Smaltz offers a different perspective. In her past, she lived as a so-called transgendered man and called herself Jake. She went through the whole transition process and she said that in her book, transgender transformed the opposite approach to what Preston Sprinkle offers is actually what worked for her. She said, when the Lord enlivened her heart and mind with the gospel, she returned to the church of her youth and her conservative Christian parents. Her church and parents had refused to use her preferred pronouns throughout all the years she lived and the false identity of transgenderism. Why did she return to them?

Listen to this. Their refusal to lie compelled her trust. Preston Sprinkle, Mark Yarrhouse, David French, Revoice, Side B, Christianity, and any parish church ministry. that elevates being winsome as the in-game provide useful examples to defy. They nod in the direction of traditional values, but then swap biblical clarity for postmodern pluralism, thus burning to the ground in a legitimate theological bridge to gospel grace. Transgenderism, she says, is satanic. We who once promoted, quote-unquote, pronoun hospitality lent false credibility to a wolfish theology

that fails to protect the sheep. Instead, it eats them alive. Here's what she says. Do you love your neighbor? Do you love your Lord? Do you believe that Jesus alone is the way, the truth in the life? John 146, does Jesus save us from our sins?

Do we delegate this task to the priests of our day? Or do we delegate this task to the priests of our day? The therapist. Do you know the difference between making false friends and loving your enemies? And then she goes on to say, if you want to make false friends that will never truly convert to Christianity or understand the gospel and the goodness of the word for what it is, then continue to lie to them. So she is repented. And God is forgiven her of this sin. May we all have such strength and humility to be willing to publicly repent for public sins. And you know, maybe the Lord allowed her to be deceived in this way for. a period of time so that now she could show an example to all of us of what it looks like to

then stand for truth and repent. I hope the people that she calls out in this article like Preston Spinkle and others who I believe probably do have good intentions and who I believe love Jesus and know their Bibles, may they pay attention to this. May they pay attention to this and change course. We should have nothing to do with this destructive ideology. Remember Christian, you cannot out love God. God is love. First John 4-8. He made us male and female, Genesis 1-27. We are not love. Therefore, we will never out-love God by disagreeing with Him. The most loving thing that we can always do is agree with God. God is not too harsh. God doesn't need to be nuanced. His word doesn't need to be negotiated. It doesn't need to be softened. It doesn't need to be made less blunt. We don't need to apologize for God. We don't need to cover up what God really says in the hopes that are obfuscating will maybe be winsome enough to win people to the gospel.

That is worshiping the God of self, not the God of Scripture. We can do this in kindness and love, but we should absolutely be firm and clear on the truth, knowing that God's truth is the most loving thing in all existence. Okay, that's all we've got for today. man, there's a lot more that I could say on that. I know that there are a lot of questions, too, about the use of pronouns. How do you handle this with friends? How do you handle this with a loved one? How do you handle this in the workplace? How do you handle this if you're a school teacher? And there are actual repercussions for all of that. And we've talked about that before,

and I will try to get into that more because I think that there are some specific advice that I could give and that others have given. If it's a personal relationship, I think you sit down with them and you say, I love you. I love God more. But because I love you and God, and I believe this is what God's word says, and there's no biblical category for gender identity that is detached from sex, and because biology is not bigotry, and God made you and your body purposely, I am going to call you by the name and the pronouns that correspond with that good, purposeful, intentional reality. I think calling someone by a different name is less troublesome and less lying than calling someone by different pronouns that don't correspond to their sex, but there's some debate about

whether or not that is compromised. But speak the truth in love. And I mean, as Sultan Heights said, if there's one thing that we can do in the face of this revolution that is based on lies, it is to not lie. Just choose not to lie. If that's all you can do, do not lie. That's what Christians have been doing as we talked about yesterday for 2,000 years. You are not going to love someone into the gospel, into Christianity, by lying, by affirming their sin. So let's be bold and representing what is good and right and true to the best of our ability and the kindest ways that we possibly can. But just know, even if your tone is perfect, even if you're as kind and as gentle as possible,

someone who is lost is still going to see the truth as mean. They're still going to tone police you. They're still going to say that you didn't say it correctly. But that's just because they love their sin. So don't be discouraged by that. Just ask for wisdom and strength from the Holy Spirit and do the best you can. All right, guys. Remember to check out our merch, leave a five-star review.

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