Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 783 | Is Trump Headed to Prison or the Presidency? | Guest: Steve Deace

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

Starting point is 00:00:19 We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this Steve Day Show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Donald Trump was arrested this week and he has just pled not guilty to 34 felony counts of falsifying documents. What does this really mean for the future of our country? My Blaze TV colleague, Steve Dase, and one of my favorite guests, is here to break it down for us both politically and theologically. then he'll tell us about his new film, which I am so excited about. It's called Nefarious. And he'll talk about why this film is so important for the moment we're in. I'll give my review, too, since I saw it last night. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use code All right, check out that's good ranchers.com code All right. Steve Dayce, thanks so much for joining us again. Anytime. You bet. This time on the white couch. All right, let's talk about Trump and the latest. I just want to get your full take on that and your full explanation of what.

Starting point is 00:01:37 what happened. We haven't spent too much time, a little bit of time on two episodes talking about this. But the latest is that Trump pleads not guilty to 34 felony counts of falsifying business records, obviously a little bit of background. This is coming from the Manhattan DA, Alvin Bragg, who apparently doesn't have any better thing to do with his time. And so Trump was arrested, being indicted. What the heck? What, what, what, what is going to? on? I mean, this is just an escalation of what we have seen over the last several years. I disagree with the idea that the arrest and indictment of Donald Trump is a new day for America's justice system. I think it is actually the crowning achievement of what already

Starting point is 00:02:25 changed in America's justice system. I mean, we saw people who went to work for him, either on the campaign or on the staff in the White House. We saw open lawfare raged against them. We have seen since January 6th, nonviolent Donald Trump supporters just remain indefinitely detained. Now, they just arrested like a grandmother. I think it was last week I read. And so they've just been left to rot. I mean, the Mark Halk case and the guy who, you know, was trying to defend his family, the pro-life activist, and they tried to put him behind bars. So this is, so they kind of worked their way up, right? They started with the staff and the support team. Then they went to the supporters and now they went to the big man himself. And I think that, and you know, this won't make a lot of

Starting point is 00:03:11 people happy what I'm about to say, but I'm used to that, so it hasn't deterred me before. We are not a nation of laws and we never have been. We're a nation of political will, and we always will be. I don't think anybody's analysis of the indictment, and a good buddy of mine is a very accomplished criminal defense attorney, hardcore right winger in another state. I had him analyze the indictment for me yesterday while we were doing the premiere for nefarious because I wasn't going to have time. And so I'll go over all that with my audience. But the reality is, and I'll only do it just because it's, you know, the responsible thing to do. But the truth of the matter is it's irrelevant. There is no legal analysis that matters. Here's all, because this isn't a legal proceeding. It's a political one.

Starting point is 00:03:53 And here's all that matters. 12% of Manhattan voted for Donald Trump in the 2024 or 2020 election, 12. It is from that pool of people that the jury was created to come up with these indictments. It is from that exact same pool of people alley that the jury that will convict him later, they will, they will. This trial's already over. Essentially all his attorneys are doing are trying to come up with appeal rationales in higher level appellate courts in the hopes that they can actually come up with.

Starting point is 00:04:27 This is a sham proceeding. What are we doing here? because it would take a miracle to find a jury in a pool in that pool of people that would look at this case objectively. And I don't even think this is the first time we're going to do this. I mean, we have the case in Georgia where the jury foreman said, well, I just voted to indict because they told me I'd get to swear Donald Trump in. I mean, this is hat-tip Dave Reboy, late Republic nonsense. We are in the death throes of a civilization here. we're on the lip of Romans 1 and we're diving into the mouth of madness and this stuff is only going

Starting point is 00:05:04 to get crazier as a result because we're we're in revival or bust territory so there's there's a lot of people in our business today that are going to make a gazillion bucks on clicks singing the siren song to our audience that this will clinch a landslide election for Donald Trump in 24 and they're going to tell you that the very day after last night in a must-win state, Wisconsin. Yeah. They put a George Soros accolate on the state Supreme Court by popular vote. Yeah. By popular vote.

Starting point is 00:05:39 Yeah. And so, you know, my affliction is I like living in this place called reality. I need to know what is true, even if it's not comfortable for me, even if it's not the truth that I would like. It's not the truth that I would prefer. I would just always whether to whether no what is true rather than what is deception. And I think on the right, you know, you are last night, Donald Trump's campaign team is selling T-shirts with his mugshot. Right.

Starting point is 00:06:05 On the other side, they're putting a, you know, a Soros accolite on the state Supreme Court. That is a perfect snapshot of the last 30 years of the Democrat Republican duopoly. Republicans are in industry. Democrats are a movement. And throughout history, movements always crush industries. because they have the true conviction. They have a motivation beyond, hey, what's just a bottom line outcome that is favorable to me? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:31 The side that wants to win will always be the side that just wants to get along or the side that just wants to be left alone or the side that wants to just sell T-shirts. And that's a perfect transition because that's exactly what I wanted to talk to you about. Janet, let's see if I can get this right. Protesowitz. I think that's her last name. Better you than me. Something.

Starting point is 00:06:52 But she is Soros backed and she's had a lot of radical agenda items on her list, like getting rid of voter ID. This is obviously big for the abortion issue. Wisconsin is a swing state. And so you're right. I've seen all of these, you know, Donald Trump supporters. And that's not to say that I'm not a supporter in my own way, but, you know, the ride or die MAGA people saying, wow, you know, it's actually because the opponent in Wisconsin, and Dan Kelly wasn't MAGA enough. He didn't kiss the ring of Trump enough.

Starting point is 00:07:26 It's because he wasn't Trumpian enough. And that's why this radical Soros-backed woman, one, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. It doesn't make any sense. It's like they're living in an alternate reality. And I said this, and I knew that I would get some pushback on it on YouTube and then on Twitter yesterday. But just in talking to my audience and the demographic that I represent, so say Christian,

Starting point is 00:07:49 Republican voting women ages 25 to 45. When I'm talking to them, which is a lot about, what do you care about, what do you want me to talk about, what are you worried about, what are you concerned about? Just to be honest, and I'm not saying that this is right or wrong, it's not Trump. It's actually not Trump's indictment. And that's not to say it's not a big deal. But they're still just worried about the things that affect their kids, that affect them, this culture war stuff.

Starting point is 00:08:13 The left understands that about their people. That's why they're constantly waging the culture war, the moral war. the sexual war. They're not worried about that at all. They're out there winning elections, like you said, that champion their culture war issues. Whereas the right, I mean, I think a lot of times they feel like the people in power, like they don't really have a champion. They don't have anyone that is truly connected to their concerns. And Trump being indicted to them, it doesn't move the needle in the direction of voting for him in the next election. It really doesn't, because they're looking for a champion. They might have liked him, but look, he's still old. He now has a

Starting point is 00:08:54 personal axe to grind. That's not necessarily what they're looking for in a president. They're still looking for a culture warrior, which you can find elsewhere. I think that one of the, last time we saw each other was election night here. And I came in the Tiger Woods red shirt. I had the tubocorn brought in. I mean, you know, I'm a hardcore data guy, hardcore analysis guy. I mean, I was convinced. He's not on the ballot. So the white suburban woman who was like, I'll surrender America to make the mean tweets go away that we apparently saw on the 2020 election has no more excuses. And you're watching them pedo groom your kids at the library and the schools and every television show on Disney just about. This is the moment now where finally,

Starting point is 00:09:40 like 1994, which was 30 years ago. All right? The last remnant of the silent majority, will rise up and say and push back against this. And man, I was convinced, convinced it was going to go down. And I sat there and watched those returns come in throughout the course of that night, getting increasingly dejected. And so the message to me was sent that the Calvary isn't coming. The Calvary is what is the only thing left. No, no. All right, it is. We are in revival or bust. There is no layer of American that's like generically with us but not really engaged. Yeah. Who like can be outraged enough into joining with us to push this back.

Starting point is 00:10:24 Because the idea that I'm going to watch them groom my kids and that's not going to move me to vote. But what's likely an unjust persecution of a billionaire for paying hush money to a porn star that I already didn't like. That's the one. Now, now and now it brings, now it comes home to me. I mean, I was pushing back on that narrative right away. And if we can speak about this theologically for a second, I think what you're watching, and this is the best we can do. Without God, this is the best we can do. America is no longer Republicans and Democrats politically.

Starting point is 00:11:01 It has broken down in a very, it's almost, it's very Roman, into a battle of dueling, D-U-E-L, dueling political. political cults. And they're both Roman and nature. The first one is the Nero cult, the Spirit of the Age, is what I call it on my show. Or our colleague Oran McIntyre refers to it as the total state. The state is God. The state has replaced the church. Government is God. Government is in whom we live and breathe. I will comply with government edicts. And historically, that is always the most dangerous cult whenever the state is weaponized to God-like status. More people die from that than anything else. All right, and so that is the, that's the, by far, historically and imminently, the preeminent threat we face. But we are trying to fight it with another Roman cult, the hero cult.

Starting point is 00:11:52 And Trump taps into this when he says things like I alone can solve. If this happens to me, it destroys the country. I mean, listen, I thought, I think what's going on in New York is a complete and total sham. Yeah. It's funny, though, I still drove from my hotel over here this morning and people still went to work. wasn't people didn't you know life goes on you know what I'm saying my family's still pissed off that they're delayed at the airport they weren't like you know what we don't have time to focus on the fact our airports late Donald Trump got indicted I mean it's just but but we we need that hero okay and so

Starting point is 00:12:24 this Trump is Julius Caesar he's the only one that can beat back the invaders give him the keys to the city all right here's the problem Caesar never gave back the keys to the city right okay and and so that's essentially what what's going on is that you have the spirit of the age cult and then you have the hero cult. And so for the last few years, there's a lot of conservative media. I mean, I did. I interviewed a January 6th or from federal penitentiary just a few months ago. And that's finally what got me on the radar of the news guards and those kinds of people

Starting point is 00:12:59 trying to get me canceled was daring to step on that shibboleth, okay? But for the last few years, the actual Trump supporters don't matter. They were left behind to rot for the last few years. in those jail cells and barely got talked about, barely got spoken about, they don't matter. Okay. The suffering of actual Trump supporters, 10,000 small and family businesses, Alley, were permanently erased by the lockdowns he initiated. The suffering of actual Trump supporters doesn't matter. Only the suffering of Mr. Trump. That is a cesarean cult. And that's not populism. That's not where he is a vessel for you. That is where you are a vessel for him.

Starting point is 00:13:39 Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed. You can watch this D-Day Show right here on

Starting point is 00:14:14 Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. That's the point that I was trying to make yesterday is that I don't want, and I think a lot of people that I've talked to don't want someone with only a personal axe to grind. Okay, I heard some people say, well, his personal axe to grind is also my axe to grind. I, you know, I really want him to go in there and destroy the powers that be, but I mean, he did it last time. And, And I say that is someone who voted for Donald Trump twice, who was very thankful for a lot of the things he did, probably the greatest pro-life champion that we've ever had in the presidential office even more than Ronald Reagan if you're looking at actual policy. So I'm very thankful for that. But I don't really want someone whose agenda centers on him and getting people back for what they did to him.

Starting point is 00:15:11 Yes, there could be, sorry, some trickle-down effect positively for us, but not enough. I really want someone who's not thinking about themselves at all, who is only thinking about us. And by the way, like Trump is someone who is, you know, going to log cabin Republican, you know, celebrations. They did that over Christmas at Marilago, actually. Yes, and things like that. So I'm like, look, I don't even know if we're necessarily in line. In line, are you going to fight the battles that I really think need to be fought? I just, I don't know. And I think a lot of Christian women, and I'm not talking about the Christian women, who didn't vote for him, who are like, oh, whatever, you know, I'll just vote Democrat.

Starting point is 00:15:50 I'm talking about my group. Yep. I think they want someone even stronger, someone with a better vision, a bigger vision than himself. So I think you're right. I think that right now, I wouldn't even wager he'll be on a ballot. Do you think he's going to prison? I think it is, I think you should, we're in an age where, I mean, look at what we've seen the last few years.

Starting point is 00:16:15 look at what we've seen from I mean Rasmussen came out with a poll over the weekend and they're one of the most accurate pollsters of the last few years you know I keep track of this stuff yeah they are 11% of American households believe someone in their home died of COVID wow 10% of American households believe someone in their home died of the COVID vaccine that was a Rasmussen poll that came out last weekend the idea that you couldn't wouldn't be able to take your children to school without a mask the idea that you couldn't serve in the military unless you took an experimental injection and that they would just completely ignore the escalating risk factors within their own epidemiological database,

Starting point is 00:16:58 that we just open the southern border and let it be a fentanyl human trafficking trading post, essentially. We just let Chinese spy balloons just meander over the skies. Yeah. That we just, we, that joke about it. Yeah. The pop, the populist Republican president would say, let's decide which businesses are essential or not essential, and only the big box stores are essential. Your mom and pop stand isn't. I mean, the stuff that we have been through the last few years, I think we should put everything on the table, and you need to see your enemy. I see, we're still fighting a political fight. We're over here acting, you know, looking ahead to the next election, they made up 34 felony counts yesterday in a court of law. And of all the, I think

Starting point is 00:17:38 there's four or five of these criminal proceedings going on against him right now, this is the weakest one. Like if I'm Merrick Garland and I think I've got him dead to rights on holding classified documentation and, you know, which is another sham, but again, look at it the way the people who are going to make these decisions are looking at it. Not the way we look at it. Look at it the way they do. If I'm Merrick Garland and I'm like, hey man, if this Manhattan DA is going to put on 34 felony counts for whether he paid hush money to a porn star, what am I going to do down here on a federal level for mishandling of classified documents. You know what I'm saying? I mean, if that's the baseline. If that's the new political baseline, not legal. None of these are legal proceedings.

Starting point is 00:18:16 If that's the new political baseline for where the Overton window is now, if you're Merrick Garland, you're like, well, hell man, let's just go ahead and try them for treason while we're at it. I think you're looking at a year of court proceedings. I think that they did this, and they did this with issues, and now they're going to do it with our people. They're going to say, we'll do whatever we want, and we dare you to go find an appellate court or the Supreme Court later to say we can't I mean, poor Jack in Denver is on how many, what's this is his fourth case now going to the Supreme Court? They keep coming after him, even though they keep losing. Why? We dare to beat us again. Because there's a level, there's a mob outside Lott's house level of commitment there.

Starting point is 00:18:55 And so I think the idea that I wouldn't be looking at any polls or anything of that nature. You need to ask yourself a serious question. Is he going to legally be on a ballot? Like, could they stretch this out so that in certain states there's an injunction against him running and he couldn't get the delegates necessary according to GOP bylaws to become the nominee. I think you need to understand this is a brave new world and it has been for a while.

Starting point is 00:19:21 Okay, and it's because nobody got punished for what they tried to do, Brett Kavanaugh, nobody got punished for what they tried to do with Russian collusion. Nobody got punished for what they did in the 2020 election. I mean, most of the people that did the worst acts during COVID

Starting point is 00:19:33 all got reelected, okay? No one's been punished for anything. And so they're just going to continue to ramp this up. So here's my question, because you said two things that I agree with, and I wonder if they, if you believe that they go hand in hand or if they're somehow opposed to each other, because you've talked about how the right is kind of erroneously looking to the next election. We're looking for some kind of political salvation.

Starting point is 00:19:54 And yet you have said, and I think correctly, that this is no longer a nation of laws. It's a nation of political will. And the things that you just listed, that, okay, no one's getting punished for these things, not to mention the corruption that preexisted 2016, if you're looking at someone like Maxine Waters or Nancy Pelosi, see how they've lined their pockets. Eric Swalwell, I mean, Adam, shit. All these people, either pre-2016 or in the past few years, absolutely have done things that are legally questionable. So the political will sides almost entirely on the left, at least on the federal level, we're seeing some changes when it comes to some really strong Republican governors. But so on the one hand,

Starting point is 00:20:34 it does seem like there seems like there needs to be a political power. correction made by Republicans. Like, for example, like, why isn't there any retaliation when it comes to what's happening to Trump? Why isn't there some kind of DA somewhere in a Republican state saying, okay, let's bring it, Hunter Biden. We've got enough here. Like, why don't we do something similar? But then on the other hand, you're saying, well, this is spiritual, right? This is more of a, like, revival or bust type thing. I just happen to agree with both of those, but I don't know necessarily how those wed together. Does that all make sense? It absolutely makes sense. I mean, two Saturdays ago, Twitter became an apocalyptic wasteland

Starting point is 00:21:17 that if Ron DeSantis did not offer extradition protection for Donald Trump, this was the end of America. Yeah. And he ended up doing that, right? But he, I argued on my podcast that he couldn't really do that. Well, I would argue that the social compact is broken. So you can kind of do whatever you want to. It's the Wild West. I'm not, I love the Constitution. It's not a suicide pact. Yeah. Like, I'm not going to hold myself to it. The Constitution is a social compact.

Starting point is 00:21:42 There are very few people and only on one side that really care about it. And so this is a little bit like, hey, dude, she left you. She's doing, she's on only fans. And she's been gone for three years. She's not coming back. The marriage compact between the two of you is broken. Move on, bra. Okay?

Starting point is 00:21:59 That's kind of what the Constitution is at this point. We want to like, hold ourselves accountable to a document that they have already shredded figuratively and literally. And so there's no way to enforce it because half of the social compact won't abide by it. So it's a self-limiting principle. So it's a little bit, I made the same argument about Trump and Pence. I mean, I don't believe that Pence had the right to uphold, to not certify the election. Should have done it anyway, because the thing was a crock. All right. I mean, when you violate a norm of that magnitude, for example, I don't have a right, if I'm angry with you, I don't have a right as a private citizen to shoot you, right? But when you take

Starting point is 00:22:40 your grievance against me into my home and threaten my person and my family with it, the social compact makes an exception and says, now you do. You see what I'm saying? Because you have crossed a line here that is not how we are to behave with one another if we are living in community with one another. They've crossed that line like six hundred and sixty-six times. And we barely cross it at all. Especially in Alvin Bragg's district, you can't really defend yourself without facing charges of attempted murder, which has happened multiple times there. So DeSantis grants him the protection. Yeah. Trump should have taken it.

Starting point is 00:23:12 I'm not going to- And so Trump didn't, right? No, he did not. He extradited himself. He is still campaign. He is using this all as a campaign against DeSantis, by the way. And DeSantis, I think understands that is really trying to walk the line, which I feel for him. I feel for Donald Trump, honestly, just like, personally in a lot of ways, it makes me sad to see this happen.

Starting point is 00:23:32 to him. I also feel for DeSantis in a political sense, this is, this is tough. He's being unfairly kind of pushed into this. And I think he's doing the best that he can. See, I would have, I would have actually, let's do a better hero cult. If I were running Donald Trump's operation, I said, hey, got junior in Florida having my back, because he knows what time it is. All right? Let's have all these other Republican governors. I'm going to come to your state and do a rally. They're going to try to extradite me for a sham. are you going to allow them to do that in your state? Let's put them all to the loyalty test.

Starting point is 00:24:06 Yeah. And see, that's the thing. If we're going to have a hero cult, if we're going to have a Julius Caesar hero cult, then let's lay waste to the enemy with it. I mean, Caesar did protect the city. That's why they gave him the key. They don't know how.

Starting point is 00:24:16 Let's just not just not sell, let's just not sell freaking t-shirts. Let's just not have, hey, let's turn this into a fundraiser. Okay. And more memes, yeah. Is it, is this, is your hero cult really for a grift? Or are we going to, if we're going to just be a hero cult, fine, let's be a really good one then. Let's earn all that animosity. Let's earn all those. If Donald Trump, if Donald Trump put all Republican governors to the loyalty test and said, I'm coming to your state,

Starting point is 00:24:43 I dare you to let him extradite me in your state and show your people what a coward you are. Would they call him, they call him all the same names and say all the same things about him. They're already saying now. And so that's, that's been my issue with this era, is in the end, overall, it comes down to being about him. And in the end, it comes down to, we're going to sell T-shirts and we're going to raise $8 million, as opposed to actually putting on an exercise that punishes these people. And that's why we're going to lose on the trajectory we're on. That's what he, he won one election. This doesn't get said enough. He won one election by 78,000 total votes in four states, miraculous total, not like in each state, total votes in the foremost

Starting point is 00:25:27 of states. Since then, people watched the Kavanaugh scam. People won't put up with that. They turn around and we lost 40 House seats like a month later. It wasn't even like they forgot about it. The Kavanaugh stuff went down in August of 2018. A month later, there was an election. Democrats gained 40 House states. All right. Then there's the infamous 2020 election. Then he's not even on the ballot. And the issues are even starker. They've grown even more radical on the other side. That was an overwhelmingly status quo incumbent pro-incumbent election. In the last three elections since Trump got in the White House, so when Trump took over in January of 2017, Republicans, or there were the fewest amount of elected Democrats in America than there

Starting point is 00:26:08 had been since before the Great Depression, 100 years. Since the 2016 election, Republicans are minus 21 in U.S. congressmen, minus eight in governors, minus three in U.S. senators. Now, there's a lot of people to blame for this. Yeah. Okay, including people like Mitch McConnell and everything who were in power before Trump got here. But it's very obvious. Now, maybe there is no, there is no path that we could show people politically. Maybe there isn't a better way to do it. I don't know. What I do know, though, is the current path of the choices technocratic soulless Republicans like Mitch McConnell who don't care about anything other than corporate grift and globalism or Donald Trump's personal grievances.

Starting point is 00:26:48 Here's what the data shows. The American people don't care about either one of those. things. They're not interested in voting for either one of them in mass. That has been clearly demonstrated. That's the data. That's all that's all that matters in the end. And to kind of bring it back to the question, I was thinking as you were talking about King Josiah and how King Josiah, when he came into office, the young king started at eight. I think it was a few years later, but still very young when he laid waste to all the idols. And look, before anyone calls me out, I'm not saying that America is Israel. I'm not saying that we're looking necessarily for King Josiah. I'm looking at that as an example of a combination of political will and spiritual revival.

Starting point is 00:27:40 I do think spiritual revival is fundamental and absolutely necessary for things to change long term. Exactly. The priest, Hilkaya went to him and said, I have found the law of God. We are not following it. So it is a both and. And so I think spiritual revival and spiritual change can motivate leaders to make good changes. But look, I always say that culture is downstream from politics or, or, politics is downstream from culture and culture is downstream from theology. But there is the

Starting point is 00:28:08 power of political will and policy change that can actually move the needle. Like if you look at gay marriage, for example, it was the law that changed before the majority of Americans decided they were in favor of it. A Bergerfell happened when still 60% of Americans said that they weren't in favor of gay marriage. So there's something to be said about someone getting in power, making decisions and saying, no, we're going to go this direction that actually pulls the overtive window back over. Correct. Now, that's going to be really difficult. When this whole, like, drag queen in front of kids started circulating on Twitter and everything, I so foolishly and naively said, oh, let's see Democrats defend this. They're never going to be able to defend this.

Starting point is 00:28:49 I did too. Well, it went, you know, naturally, that's not happening. And now we're in the, it's good that it is happening. It needs to happen all the more. It needs to happen so much more. And the country music awards, we're going to celebrate that. And so I am so naive, I guess, or I was, but now I realize it's going to take a really, really strong movement, not industry, as you said, to push the Overton window back over, which, as you said, is completely impossible without an accompanying revival and heart of repentance. I want to address the politics as flows down, because that's the Andrew Breitbart Maxim. And it's brilliant and it's true, but it's true for us.

Starting point is 00:29:30 It's not true on the left. Yes. On the left, when they get elected, they don't care what culture does. They do what they believe, and culture moves. Politics is downstream from culture on the right. It took 30 years to get Republicans to actually pass meaningful pro-life legislation. People in audiences like ours did all the heavy lifting. And now suddenly every, even the rhino governor of Indiana, okay, who sucks on every,

Starting point is 00:29:56 every imaginable piece of policy you care about, sign pro-life legislation, right? And so on the right, that is how it works. We have to, we have to tear a form culture. We have to move heaven and earth, okay, to make it so simple that now all their- For 49 years, we have to do that. Yes, that they don't have to frost the cake. Like literally, we will frost the cake, we will buy the frosting. Can you put the for sale thing inside the cake after we do all the work and put it in the

Starting point is 00:30:23 display? That's how it works on the right. And they still don't do it. Now, in Florida, what you've seen is an interesting example of how the left operates. He just executes power. And I'm going to do what I think is right. I won by 30,000 votes. I don't care what the polls say.

Starting point is 00:30:38 I'm going to do what I think is right. If I win, I win, if I lose, I lose. And what's happened is you've watched now the fulcrum of a state culturally move to the right as a result of that. And that happened in one term because he actually governs the way Democrats do. All right, you come against me. I'll punish you. I'm just going to act. You don't do what I want.

Starting point is 00:30:56 I'll fire you. I'll replace you. I'm just going to act. And then I'm not going to bellow. I'm not going to tweet. I'm not going to threaten. I'm not going to do new shows. We're not going to debate it so that you have time to gin up new cycles and weeks and

Starting point is 00:31:08 months worth of resistance. I'm just going to act and make it normal. And now you're on defense. And that's what they have done to us for decades. And I think that they're drastically, the country dramatically needs a generational changeover. You know, I mean, the boomer generation has been collectively, the most destructive generation in American history from the birth of the counterculture, and now it won't let go.

Starting point is 00:31:35 Think of how many of our great evangelical ministers are in their 80s, and you don't know who their successor at their ministry is. As soon as I say that, you have names in the back of your head. You know what I'm talking about. I thought of two people immediately. And they're great men of God, but you have no... Do you know who they've been mentoring to take over?

Starting point is 00:31:49 Do you have any clue? We don't know. What's the next generation of leadership that we have been... Nothing? They won't let... Do you know the Rolling Stones are going to go tour again this summer? They buried their 81-year-year-old. old drummer, I think it was a year ago, Charlie, whatever his name is. All right. And they're going, I mean,

Starting point is 00:32:05 this, as a generation, they will not move on. Yeah. And we don't offer that many good replacements. No, we don't. Which is probably why they have anxiety about that. And it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. They won't groom replacements. So they won't leave room for replacements. And we don't have many replacements. And then they don't want to let go because they see the lack of replacements. And so on and on and on and on and on goes. And that's, that's a major problem that we have. on a cultural level right now, generationally. Well, you selfishly have to go prepare for your show. So I'm going to have to let you go.

Starting point is 00:32:51 But I want to give you the next few minutes to talk about your movie, which is coming out, April 14th. I saw it last night. As I said when I walked into the studio, only a few nightmares. It's called nefarious or the nefarious plot. And it's like modern day screw tape letters. And it's supposed to disturb you, right? It's supposed to show you the reality of good and evil that under all this that we're talking about today is a very serious, literally dead serious, spiritual battle being waged for each of our individual souls.

Starting point is 00:33:25 The first thing I'll say about it, it's a really good movie. Yeah. I think that's the most important thing. The guy from Boondock Saints. Yep. Sean Patrick Flannery is incredible. I love Boondock Saints. Yes.

Starting point is 00:33:34 He's incredible in this film. And found it less scary than your movie, actually. He, uh, great guy. I mean, and Sean. He gives like a Nicholson and the shining level of performance in this film, which is good. Oh, so good. Because the movie's called nefarious. So the guy who plays him better be really good.

Starting point is 00:33:50 But the first thing we set out to do is we just wanted to make the best movie we could. We didn't. Let's check boxes. Let's make sure we touch on this issue. You know, hammer that one in there. You didn't have a diversity quota? You know what? Come to think that I did not see a trans POC.

Starting point is 00:34:06 No. We didn't have any pansexual vegans. Oh. No. Nor did we have like a box check, though. all the theological points we have to make and figure out and work the script around that. We were just like, we're all pretty confident in our belief system. Let's just come up with the best story we can, make the best movie we can, because our belief system

Starting point is 00:34:21 will just come out organically. We don't have to force it. I think that's what gives it a chance in wide release is that it's going to look in sound like the psychological thrillers, like Silence of the Lambs or primal fear or seven from the 90s. It's going to look in sound like those films. It's just going to come with our worldview. And so I think what will be fascinating is when young people especially who are attracted to this genre, we made it for them. I mean, we made this movie to go to Nineveh. We are looking at a

Starting point is 00:34:51 culture right now that is up if is up against this at the very lip of the mouth of Madness Alley. And it's about to belly flop into that pit. And that's when you get into Romans One Judgment stuff and cultures don't come back from that. That's where you're just now clearing out your space in the history book where your, where your civilization's going to be. And so they've heard from all the Hawaiian shirted guys. They've heard from all the sweater vested guys. They've heard from them all khaki-panded nice guys. And they've rejected all that. So our approach is, maybe again, it won't work. I don't know. But let's try some old-time religion. Let's try it. Let's try grabbing people by the proverbial throat and force them to recognize evil and what it is. And our hope when we make

Starting point is 00:35:30 this film, you'll follow the character arc of our, he comes in as an atheist. Our psychiatrist does, believing he's got all the answers. He's highly educated. He's the people we've been waiting for. He's ready to tell us what's up. And by the end of this encounter with this demon and real evil, it wrecks his worldview to the point that he is now open to the possibility, that maybe there's more going on in the world than he thought. And that's where we leave the movie. And that's where you now take your unbelieving friends and family members, take him to coffee, pizza, ice cream afterwards. We did the hard part, right? We gave him the bad news that most of America's pastors don't want to give nowadays. And now you get to give them the good news. You get to finish, close that loop. And so,

Starting point is 00:36:10 and in the interim, you'll be really entertained because it's a very well done movie. I mean, what do you think? It's a very well done movie. And I will say because most of the people listening, or a lot of the people listening to this are moms. It is rated R. It is rated R. Now, you don't have like cussing or sex or anything like that, but it is disturbing. And it's intentionally disturbing. So I will say, because it was made so well, because the acting is so good, I was disturbed. Like there was one part, and this doesn't give anything a while. I'll be careful. Where Sean Patrick Flannery, he is, he's crying, and he is in this ball of tears and emotion in his cell, and the real hymn is coming out versus the demon. And that just like broke my heart.

Starting point is 00:36:58 But man, it made me think of so many different issues that we see today that we don't consider demonically influenced. We just consider bad or stupid. And you touch on a lot of those explicitly in the movie, but still in ways that make sense. It's not just like, you know, a presentation of abortion is bad. It's done in a very clever way. But even things like transgenderism that aren't necessarily explicitly touched on, I saw all of that in this movie just from what the demons were. saying and that is like that's the point like you should be able to watch this and say oh yeah i see i see exactly what you're talking about and i didn't see it that way before exactly what screw tape letters

Starting point is 00:37:40 says screw tape letters the first time you read it i you know i read it as a teenager yeah it disturbs you it's supposed to it's supposed to scare you it's supposed to make you think even though in screw tape letters c s lewis doesn't touch on every single sin or every single temptation you start going about your day and you're like that was spiritual That distraction from prayer wasn't an accident. My phone didn't just light up when I was in the middle of sharing the gospel for no reason. You start thinking, and not to over-spiritualize everything, but you realize there is a constant, never-ending, incessant battle going on for your soul.

Starting point is 00:38:16 That's what this movie reminds you of. That's supposed to be a little disturbing. That's the best, I mean, that's why we made the film. And I can't say it any better than you just did. So thank you. If you want to get tickets now, you can go to nefarioustickets.com. That's nefarioustickets.com. We are literally in hand-to-hand combat right now for theaters. Yeah. I mean, for the first time in Hollywood history, the studios are going to release 13 films

Starting point is 00:38:38 in a three-week span. Never happened before. Praise God. Yeah. Be a part of this movement. Like we're talking about making a movement. We're talking about spiritual revival. Take your friends to see an actually good movie that they're not just going to feel like it's preaching at them. It's an actual good movie. And they'll be entertained by it. And look, there's a lot of biblical references. Maybe not All of your atheist friends will pick up on that. But first of all, the Word of God does not return void. Seeds will be planted. Also, it will start conversations.

Starting point is 00:39:05 I promise you that. And the Lord is going to use this. So be a part of it. Be a part of it. Who is nefarious.com, right? That's the website. You can get tickets at nefarioustickets. But if you want to see the trailer and everything,

Starting point is 00:39:18 Who is nefarious.com? Yeah. And tickets are available at nefarioustickets. We'll link both of those things in the description of this episode. Thanks so much, Steve. I really appreciate it. Anytime. Hey, this is Steve Day.

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