Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 785 | Abortion Pill Ban? & NPR’s Accidentally Pro-Life Story

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

Starting point is 00:00:19 We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in, conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed. You can watch this D-Day Show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. A ruling by a Texas judge may stop the distribution of the abortion pill in America. Also, NPR shills for abortion by exploiting the tragedy of a mother who endured the loss of

Starting point is 00:00:53 her baby. And at the beginning, some quick thoughts on the gospel and salvation. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use promo code Alley at checkout. That's good ranchers.com code Alley. Hey guys, welcome to relatable. Happy Monday.

Starting point is 00:01:19 If you're watching this on YouTube, you can tell it's a little different. Also, if you're listening to this, you can probably tell it's a little bit different too. I have a different setup this week, a remote setup. I'm out of town. And so I am unable to be in my regular studio. I hope everyone had a wonderful Easter weekend. We did. We spent time with family.

Starting point is 00:01:40 We went to church, all that good stuff. And then we also went to the Masters this weekend, which was so fun. We went on Saturday and Sunday. We didn't think that we were going to get to go on Sunday. But then some friends came through for us on Saturday. If you're a golf fan at all, you were watching. It was miserably cold and rainy. I don't like to complain about it because it's such a privilege to get to even go to the Masters.

Starting point is 00:02:04 and it was still really fun. But man, oh man. It was a high of 50. And I mean, we southerners have a hard time with that kind of weather. But it was also windy and very rainy. So it was very cold. Not a great day to watch golf. But it was still a good experience.

Starting point is 00:02:21 I mean, we walked so much. We really, because we thought that that was the only day that we were going to get to go, my husband, who is a big golf fan, he wanted to walk the entire course, see everything, watch some players, but we really just wanted to take in the experience, which of course, if you know, you know, includes the pimento cheese sandwiches, the peach ice cream sandwiches, which are all, this is part of the charm of the masters, the uniqueness of the masters. They're all like $2 and under, so that's really fun.

Starting point is 00:02:52 But then we got to go back, surprise, we got to go back on Sunday, and it was actually beautiful. The weather was great. So after some Easter festivities in the morning, we got to go. and that was great. It was a really, really, really fun weekend. And I hope you all had a really fun weekend as well. One thing that I was thinking about the resurrection. And go back and listen to Thursday's episode if you haven't already with an apologetics pastor and a New Testament scholar talking about the proof that we have for the resurrection. Such an encouraging conversation.

Starting point is 00:03:24 And per your request, I will definitely be having him back. I think we'll probably do some kind of series with him and just ask the apologetics questions or the questions that you have about the faith and the Bible to him. I think that would be really fun. So one thing that I was thinking about, though, because I got this message. And I think conservative Christians get this kind of message or get this kind of comment a lot. And I don't say this for you guys to feel bad for me or anything like that. You guys know I've chosen to have this job and talk about the things that I do. So I've been dealing with mean spiteful messages for a long time. But, and I don't really talk about them. But this kind of message, I'm sure a lot of you can relate to because you've probably heard

Starting point is 00:04:10 something like this in your own life if you've ever stood for life inside the womb or you've ever stood for a so-called controversial topic, like the reality of God making us male and female, things like that that have turned into these culture war hot button issues today. And this person messages me, obviously progressive. You can tell because the pronouns are in the profile, what they post about. And she says, you know, people like you are the exact reason I'm not a Christian anymore. And like I said, don't feel bad for me because the number of messages that I get of positivity and encouragement, uh, so far outnumber those kinds of messages. Of course, those kinds of messages, they come through and they can be hurtful or some

Starting point is 00:04:53 kinds of messages can be hurtful and mean and all that kind of stuff. But the messages and the emails and the interactions, the conversations that I have with the vast, vast, majority of you that are encouraging, that are edifying, that are uplifting, that tell me that by God's grace, he's used something that I said or something that I wrote or something that one of my guests said to either change your mind on something consequential or even help you understand the gospel, they so far outweigh any of those negative messages, actually an amazing tweet the other day from one of you saying that you are suicidal, you're in the throes of postpartum depression, but then you were listening to my podcast and you heard the gospel

Starting point is 00:05:34 for the first time, even after having grown up in the church and it changed your life, not me, but the gospel itself. That's just what the grace of God does. So those kinds of messages are, they are many times more than this kind of message. But, okay, let me get to my point. This person said, you know, you're the kind of person that makes a person that. may not be a Christian anymore. And I'm sure you guys have heard something like that. And it could be really difficult. You can wonder, okay, should I not be talking about the things that I do? Should I just

Starting point is 00:06:04 be like, oh, you know, whatever you want to do is great. We're just supposed to be all about acceptance and tolerance and just nice and never talk about anything controversial or divisive, quote, unquote. But the reality is whenever you get a message like that or hear a comment like that and you're tempted to think, wow, maybe I shouldn't say the controversial truth about these things. Maybe it is too mean to say that men can't be women or life inside the womb matters, whatever it is. Keep in mind, keep in mind that that person is not an unbeliever because of you or because of any other person. That person is an unbeliever because they don't believe that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead. Period. They don't believe that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead.

Starting point is 00:06:51 has nothing to do with you. It has nothing to do with the negative interaction that they had with a Christian. It has nothing to do with political disagreements. It has nothing even to do with maybe very real and very valid and very sad past experiences that they've had with the church. Maybe they even suffered real and horrible and unjust kind of abuse from the church. All of those things might be true. Or maybe they just had a disagreement that they counted. it as bigotry or whatever. All of those things might be true, but none of those reasons are the

Starting point is 00:07:26 ultimate reason why anyone is not a Christian. Anyone who is not a Christian is not a Christian because they don't believe that Jesus Christ was resurrected. If you believe that this person named Jesus predicted his own death and predicted being raised again, then that changes everything. you have to listen to everything that he has to say that validates everything that he said before he was raised from the dead. If you believe that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead, that he then is God made flesh, that he then ascended to be at the right hand of the Father. If you then believe as a consequence of believing in the fact of the resurrection,

Starting point is 00:08:13 that he was actually God and that he was sacrificed on our behalf to reconcile us, to a holy God who requires a payment for our sins, then it doesn't matter what anyone has said to you. It doesn't matter the negative interactions that you've had with people. It doesn't matter the maybe poor influence that has been had on you by someone who misrepresented Christ. It doesn't matter if you believe that someone is a bigot or offensive or divisive or whatever. none of those things would be a big enough obstacle to you in believing in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. The resurrection is way bigger than anyone's personality, anyone's

Starting point is 00:09:02 political views, any bad interaction that someone may have had with a Christian. And so I understand people try to put that responsibility on you, like you tell too much truth or you're too political or you're too divisive or your tone was off or you don't say the things that I want you to say or you hurt me. You legitimately betrayed me at some point and that's why I'm not a Christian. All of those things may have made legitimately a bad impression on a person. And I'm not saying those things, some of those things are good. Some of those things are fine. But some of the bad interactions that people have had with a Christian, none of those are the ultimate reason why anyone on earth is not a Christian. Anyone who is not a Christian,

Starting point is 00:09:45 is not a Christian because they don't believe that Jesus was raised from the dead. Therefore, they don't believe that he's God. They don't believe that his death was a sufficient sacrifice for sins. They don't believe in the gospel. That is ultimately why they are not a Christian. So you, Christian, don't allow yourself to be beholden to a comet like that or to be beholden to the opinions of unbelievers. Remember the gospel is a stench of death to those who are dying, to those who are not in Christ.

Starting point is 00:10:21 And so, yes, we should speak the truth in love. Yes, we should try to be as persuasive as possible. But don't allow comments like that or the fear of comments like that to inhibit you from speaking the truth, from saying what needs to be said. Of course, the world is always going to call it mean. It doesn't matter how kindly you say it, how lovingly you say it. how lovingly you say it, how empathetically you say it. If you go against the progressive, secular, humanist, zeitgeist of today, you are still

Starting point is 00:10:52 going to be called a bigot. You are still going to be told you're the reason why people hate Christians. No, people hate Christians because they hate Christ, period. So just keep that in mind. I hope that actually encourages you to be bold. Remember, Ephesians 1.5, in love, he predastened us for adoption as sons before he laid the foundations of the world. Okay? So even though we should do our absolute best to be proper representations of Christ and to be

Starting point is 00:11:20 by the power of the Holy Spirit, ambassadors of his love and his gospel, understand that God's sovereignty cannot be thwarted by a bad impression that someone gets of Christians because of what they deem to be a negative interaction. Hey, this is Steve Deast. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's

Starting point is 00:12:05 unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day Show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. All right. Before we even get into the Texas story about the ruling from the judge about, about, okay, how do I pronounce this? I, okay, Miphapristone. Mithephystone. I always get, I always forget which syllable needs the emphasis when we're talking about that. horrid abortion pill. It's Mitha Pristone. So we're going to talk about this and that kind of is the context for this story. But because so many of you sent me this NPR story, I wanted to start with

Starting point is 00:13:02 this and react to it. So many of you asked me to respond to it. And the summary is that NPR published a story last week, April 6th about a Texas mom who they believe tragically could not get an abortion at 20 weeks due to Texas's abortion law, restricting abortion after a heart, beat is protected. So they were hoping to, and they successfully did this on Instagram, provoke sympathy for women who have to bring their pregnancies to turn because of what they would call this draconian abortion law that was made possible by the Dobbs decision that was published last year that overturned Roe v. Wade. So here is the caption and we'll put up some of the pictures that they put up on this Instagram post. Here's the caption from NPR. Her name

Starting point is 00:13:51 was Halo when she was born in Texas last week on March 29th, two months early and weighing three pounds. She lived for four hours, dying in the arms of her father, Louis Valisana, or it's probably Viasana. Her mother, Samantha Casiano, knew their baby wouldn't survive long because she had an encephaly, part of Halo's brain and skull never developed. Now they can't afford to give their newborn daughter the funeral they would like to give her a Cassiano, got the diagnosis is three days after Christmas at a prenatal appointment when she was 20 weeks pregnant. I was told that she's incompatible with life. She says I was crushed.

Starting point is 00:14:28 She asked her OBGYN, what her options were. Cassiano says her doctor told her, well, because of the new law, you don't have any options. You have to go on with your pregnancy. Texas has among the strictest abortion laws in the country, says NPR, with three overlapping bans. One abortion ban predated Roe v. Wade, another was triggered when Roe was overturned and comes with a maximum penalty. of life in prison for providing, not getting, but providing an abortion in Texas.

Starting point is 00:14:54 There's also SBA, which allows people to bring civil charges for aiding or abetting an abortion in the state. So that means that you're not going to go to jail for doing so, but you could have to pay some kind of fine. We talked about SBA when it was passed a while ago. Caciano knew that Texas banned abortions, but she didn't think these laws would apply in a situation where the fetus was certain to die. But the laws do apply. A narrow exception allows abortions for when the mother's life or a major bodily function is an imminent danger. But there are no exceptions in Texas law for the diagnosis of a fetal anomaly no matter how severe. In fact, very few states with abortion bans have such exceptions.

Starting point is 00:15:35 Cassiano wishes she could have ended the pregnancy in Texas as soon as she got the anencephaly diagnosis. And so that's basically the summary of the entire article. And if you look at the comments, the comments are exactly what NPR was hoping to provoke. All of these women saying, wow, this is so awful that this mother had to go through this. How awful that this mother had to hold her baby after the baby was born. How awful that they have to pay for a funeral now. How tragic. And people saying, well, Texas, the taxpayers should have to cover the funeral costs of this family

Starting point is 00:16:13 to be able to bury their children. child. So here's what's implicit in all of this. What's implicit in all of this, even though they don't say it outright, this is the entire point of the article. The point is that she should have just been able to abort her baby at 20 weeks. Then she wouldn't have had to pay for a funeral. Then I guess she wouldn't have had to deal with the trauma of birthing her baby and holding her baby. How, am I supposed to be sad about that fact? I am very sad that this child had a fetal anomaly. You can't really survive an encephaly. Really, sometimes in rare cases, the baby might live past a few hours, maybe sometimes a few weeks, at least from what I've read. I don't have

Starting point is 00:16:59 personal experience from this, but from the information that we've gathered in our research, there really isn't some kind of cure for this. And so I'm very sad that these parents, this mom and dad had to experience this from what I've read this was a very wanted baby. And so any parent would feel absolutely crushed to hear that at the 20-week anatomy scan. I just had my own 20-week anatomy scan. And of course, you're going in with so many nerves, just hoping that the doctor, the stenographer, tells you that everything is okay. And maybe you're waiting until then to find out the gender. And so there's so much excitement at that point. You've been able to feel probably your baby start kicking. And so I really feel for this mother. I feel for this father who wanted

Starting point is 00:17:42 this baby who went into their 20-week anatomy scan, so excited to see their little baby's face only to find out that she has this terrible anomaly that means that she won't survive. So I feel so much sadness and so much devastation for them, knowing that they were absolutely crushed. And I also feel for her that for, you know, 20 or so, well, I guess not 24 weeks since this baby was born two months early, but several weeks after this, She probably felt her baby move. She felt this life inside of her. She knew that there was another heartbeat inside of her that she wasn't going to get to see grow up.

Starting point is 00:18:22 All of the things that she bought for the nursery, all the plans that she had, the names that she had picked out. I mean, she knew that this child that she loved, that she created would not grow up to fulfill all of the milestones and all of the memories that she had already projected and predicted for her. So I feel so much sadness for this family. I do not feel sadness that they were not able to abort this child. Look, this child is still a human being made in the image of God. And either way, the child had to come out. And so why would I feel sadness that this child was not dismembered inside the womb? That doesn't make it better.

Starting point is 00:19:08 And what NPR is saying, oh, they had to. to have, now they have to pay for a funeral. They have to pay for a funeral for this child. Okay, so you're admitting that there would have been no funeral for this moving, living child had she been aborted at 20 weeks gestation? I mean, that is a fully formed, except for in this case with a fetal anomaly, the skull wasn't fully formed. That's a fully formed moving, kicking, heart beating child. So you are admitting that this child would have, that this child would have have just been discarded as as toxic waste. Also, NPR is arguing that I guess there would not have been trauma. Had this mother aborted her child at 20 weeks? I'm sorry, I don't believe that.

Starting point is 00:19:56 As you saw, if you're watching on YouTube, these sweet pictures, this mother got to hold on to her child before she died. She got to hold her little hand. She got to see her daughter's little face before she took her last breaths. You're telling me that that is more traumatic than knowing that you poisoned and then dismembered your child while she was wiggling inside your womb? I'm sorry, I don't buy that. I feel very badly for this family. I feel terrible for the child, too, that she had to suffer.

Starting point is 00:20:32 But why is it better? Why is it morally preferable for this child to suffer inside the womb rather than suffer outside of the womb, she got to see the face of her mother for her dying breath. She got to be held. She got to know how loved she was rather than just feeling the sterile and cold grip of the medical tools, the surgical tools that would have been used to tear her apart limb from limb. And yet, most of the comments that you see in this NPR post are people saying how awful this is, how unsympathetic this is, that this isn't caring about women. This isn't caring about children. This is so cruel. How can you possibly do this? How could you think? Like, if you have a, if you have a heart and a mind

Starting point is 00:21:22 and a soul that functioned, that it would be badder to poison and dismember this baby that has to come out of the womb anyway. And so I am, again, I feel for this family. I don't see how this story should convince me that abortion needs to be less restricted. I don't understand this one. Like there are some stories out there that we've seen where the mothers almost die. And basically because of the neglect and the fear of the doctors and nurses, they don't do anything until this mother is literally about to take her dying breath. And then they remove the child from the womb.

Starting point is 00:22:05 by the way, all pro-lifers understand that there is a reason to remove the child from the womb if the mother is about to die. And as NPR even admits Texas law, all pro-life laws in America allow for that. Like if the mother in Texas, it even says a major bodily function is being disrupted or is being damaged in some way. It doesn't even have to be death. The baby can actually be aborted. it. Now, pro-lifers would say early delivery is the option. The child has to be removed from the womb anyway. So even if the child dies minutes after birth, that is better than the dismemberment and the poisoning of abortion. But look, if a woman is pregnant, she's 19 weeks. We know that

Starting point is 00:22:53 baby isn't going to survive outside the wound, but she is dying because of the pregnancy. The baby has to be removed. We understand that a choice has to be made. And we do believe that the baby should be delivered at that point. Texas law allows for that. Pro-life laws allow for that. And unfortunately, either because of the hospitals, the hospital associations, the lawyers that represent these hospitals that are choosing to be opaque or choosing to be vague or choosing to fearmonger maybe for the sake of politics, a lot of doctors, I guess, are operating under fear and won't actually protect their patients in these very difficult situations. And so that, okay, might be a reason to make these laws as crystal clear as possible to ensure that these laws

Starting point is 00:23:40 are extremely transparent when it comes to saving the life of the mother and things like that. However, this doesn't convince me at all that these laws are problematic. This particular story just sounds like a tragedy that was endured, but that ended in a way that at least allowed for a moment of love and connection between parents and her child that abortion never would have. Abortion would have just ended in destruction and death and cruelty and brutality. And so it's really sad. It's really sad for me that the commenters don't see that.

Starting point is 00:24:27 And I will pray for this family. I mean, this will stick with them forever. But I am glad that they got to see their precious daughter's face before she took her last breath. This is happening. These stories are still going to be churned out by outlets like NPR, which Twitter just specified is state-funded media. It is. It's funded by the U.S. And it is going to repeat all of the Democratic talking points.

Starting point is 00:24:56 It always does. These stories are going to continue to be. be propagated by outlets like NPR because there is a continued battle about access or over access to abortion, including the abortion pill, which is very popular among women who are seeking abortions. And so that is the latest development in this war that centers on the so-called right to kill a child just because the child happens to be small and exists inside the womb. All right. Let's talk about the abortion pill.

Starting point is 00:25:49 Okay. So there is a judge, a Trump appointed judge. And his name is Matthew Casmeric. Casmeric also had to look at the pronunciation of that last name to make sure I had it correct. So he is the United States District Judge of the district court for the district court for Northern District of Texas. Like I said, he's a Trump appointed justice. He issued a ruling, which could stop the prescribing and distribution of Miphypris stone, one of two drugs used to

Starting point is 00:26:23 perform abortions via a pill. So this pill is typically used in the first six to eight weeks of pregnancy. After that, we've gone through the different methods for abortion. And they get, I mean, they're all brutal because you are all in a very violent way ending the life of an innocent and defenseless human being who has been a human being since the point of conception. But as far as the description goes, it really gets more and more invasive and more violent and brutal the further into pregnancy that you go. But this is still murder. It's still killing a child, even if it's just through a pill. And so obviously pro-lifers, pro-life organizations and pro-life legislators have tried to stop the distribution and the prescription of this pill, which has been advocated for very fiercely by the Biden administration. It's also been used as a way to get around some state laws that ban abortion.

Starting point is 00:27:29 People have been able to get pills from places that are outside of their red state so that they can kill their children. child between six to eight weeks and there has also been decisions made that make it easy for someone to get this via male and to not even have to see a doctor. I mean, consider that. Think if you are a woman who believes that you are six weeks pregnant, but maybe you're actually 12 weeks pregnant, obviously that's going to be dangerous for the child inside your womb, but that's also going to be very dangerous for you. That child is going to be really too big to be just passed through you. you are going to end up having to go to the emergency room. And that also puts a woman's life in jeopardy.

Starting point is 00:28:13 So for the people who say you're pro abortion pill, you're pro abortion pill by male, you shouldn't even have to see a midwife or a nurse or a doctor or anything to see how far along you are in your pregnancy because you're pro woman. No, you're not. You might be pro death, but you're not pro woman.

Starting point is 00:28:30 This is not safe for women either. And it's obviously because abortion never is safe for the child. inside the womb. So he actually stayed his opinion, this judge, for seven days to allow the Biden administration time to appeal. Shortly after the opinion came out, a Washington state federal judge issued a contradictory ruling. The conflict could eventually escalate the battle to the Supreme Court. And this all stems from a lawsuit that was filed by the Alliance to Fannie Freedom arguing that the FDA never had the authority to approve the drug. I love Alliance to Finney Freedom. like I would recommend supporting them financially if you can.

Starting point is 00:29:06 They and a lot of other freedom-loving, human rights-loving law firms are just doing incredible work. And like we should be all grateful and support them. However, we can't. So let's talk a little bit more about this and what actually went on here. So as I said, this is a very popular method for abortion. more than half of abortions in the U.S. are completed using pills. And so if this ruling prevails, if the Trump appointee judges ruling prevails, this could mean the biggest blow to abortion access since Roe v. Wade was overturned.

Starting point is 00:29:49 It would make it really difficult for women to obtain an abortion for a lot of women who they haven't gone into Planned Parenthood or they don't live in a state where they can go into a Planned Parenthood and get an abortion. And it's not entirely clear at this point how the ruling is going to affect the immediate availability of this drug. Some people are saying that we shouldn't enforce or that the FDA shouldn't follow this ruling at all or that they don't even have to follow the ruling. The FDA is probably going to appeal the decision, but the legal status of the drug is probably going to be the subject of confusion for a while,

Starting point is 00:30:42 especially with this other ruling coming out of Washington. And so this has been on the market for a long time. Obviously, after the overturning of Roe v. Wade, there has been a fight over it, whether this should be available or not. So Casmeric, he said in his ruling that the FDA rushed the process to approve this drug and actually violated federal standards. He says the court does not second guess FDA's decision making lightly. But here, FDA acquiesce on its legitimate safety concerns in violation of its statutory duty based on plainly unsound reasoning and studies that did not support its,

Starting point is 00:31:25 conclusions. Casmeric also hinted that the agency might have given into political pressure to approve the drug and alleged that it stonewalled any potential challenges to its approval. He found that the approval process for Mithopristone was flawed, which would revoke access not just in the district where the case happened, but the entire country. So Casmeric is talking about when the FDA approved this pill 20 years ago. He's saying, that they basically prevented any judicial review of this decision until now. That's why it's taking 20 plus years for a judge to rule on this. He's saying that it was 20 years ago that they rushed the process, that they were listening to political pressure rather than looking at the real safety of the drug.

Starting point is 00:32:14 Because as we mentioned, there are a lot of side effects that come to this drug, whether or not you actually see a doctor before you are prescribed the drug. There are a lot of side effects in the FDA approved it. This judge is saying not based on science, but because of political pressure, which we know is true of the FDA, but he said that this has been true for a very long time. And so,

Starting point is 00:32:37 this is just going to cause a lot of chaos and confusion, but for right now, it does look like this is a win in the way of protecting that life inside, inside the womb. Also, it's important to note that in 2016, the FDA increased the gestational age

Starting point is 00:32:53 of the unborn baby when abortion drugs are a from seven weeks to 10, reduced the number of required office visits from three to one, allowed non-doctors to prescribe and administer the pills and eliminated their requirement for prescribers to report non-fatal adverse events from chemical abortion pills. And in 2021, during the, during COVID and after Joe Biden was elected, president, the FDA announced that it would allow abortion pills,

Starting point is 00:33:18 as we already say, to be dispensed through the mail. And so Casmeric's concerns about what they did 20 years ago, I would say there are even bigger concerns today that it's obvious that this is not about health. This is not about women's rights even. It's not about protecting them. It's not even about bodily autonomy. It's actually about making babies and their moms as vulnerable as possible. I mean, you are risking so many lives with a move like this because the abortion lobby is not only so powerful, but it's also irrational. and that is, of course, as we've talked about what sin does to you, it gives you a heart of stone and a brain of mush.

Starting point is 00:33:56 Like you aren't even able to think logically, much less compassionately, about the consequences of your decisions. So how is the left reacting to this? Of course, screaming like banshees. I would say in addition to gender ideology advocates, abortion advocates, especially I'm talking like the activist class, the shout-your-abortion-type people, which I would say accounts for a larger percentage of people on the left who are pro-abortion than a lot of people on the left want to admit, including Democrats in Congress, they are cruel, they are violent. They are, as I said, irrational.

Starting point is 00:34:40 In some cases, I think demon-possessed. Like, if you looked at the reaction to the overturning of Roe v. Wade that just said states can states can decide the firebombing of pregnancy clinics, the absolute slander and liable about what these pregnancy clinics do, just the outright hate and vitriol and violence and banshee like screaming from these people. It's, I mean, there's no other explanation for this except for a worship of Satan, which I mean, you, you do, whether you say that you're a Satan worshiper or not, Ephesians 2 makes that very clear. You are either worshiping the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience, or you are

Starting point is 00:35:30 worshiping Christ by grace through faith. And so definitely satanic following and satanic possession there, but I think it's extremely blatant when you're looking at gender ideology and abortion ideology. And so they worship abortion so much. They are willing to sacrifice even children on the altar of progressive ideology that they are saying these anti-fascist leftists, they are basically saying that the federal government should override the checks and balances that are supposed to be provided by the judicial branch of the government and just say, nope, abortion pills for all. AOC was just talking to Anderson Cooper on CNN about this. And here is her recommendation. There has been thought, I believe, given to this. Senator Ron Wyden has

Starting point is 00:36:19 already issued statements, for example, advising what we should do in a situation like this, which I concur, which is that I believe that the Biden administration should ignore this ruling. Yeah. So should ignore the ruling. Now, I know it gets tiresome to point out hypocrisy, but let's think about this just for a second, just for funsies. Let's think about if Republicans said, oh, I don't like a particular ruling. So we are just going to ignore it. They would call that fascism. They would call that Nazi-like somehow Christian nationalism, white supremacy. Oh, we're just going to override the checks and balances, which protect us from being a dictatorship that protect us from just being a monarchy. This pro-democracy crowd says,

Starting point is 00:37:09 well, we should just override the checks and balances to ensure that we get what we want. And these are the same people. These are the same people that make it such a huge. huge deal when someone like Governor Ron DeSantis says, you know what, I'm going to use the tools constitutionally available to me to ensure that other entities like Disney, for example, are not trampling on the rights and the voices of the constituents in my state. They call that fascism. But it's not fascism when a president with an iron fist simply says, we are not going to ignore a ruling by a judge simply because we are that desperate to allow women. to go hire someone to kill their babies.

Starting point is 00:37:52 How do you not see? How do you not see that that's the side of evil? Like if you are a Christian or a professing Christian, how do you not see that? I understand the evil people are evil, evil, evil going to evil. Depraved, got to depraved. Again, mushy brains, minds of oatmeal. I don't expect evil people to see that they're evil.

Starting point is 00:38:13 But I hope people that fancy themselves discerning, that fancy themselves on the side of goodness, that fancy themselves, certainly on the side of Christ, would see maybe those advocating for the slaughter of unborn children and who are willing to subvert the democratic processes that we've put in place to try to stave off tyranny are wicked. Like, I don't know. Maybe that side is wicked. Here is Xavier Bacera. He is the head of the Health and Human Services Department. under Biden, I think signaling that they probably are going to ignore this ruling because

Starting point is 00:38:56 according to him, this is just downright on patriotic. What's your message to women and to medical providers who want to get this drug and use this drug? This is not America. What you saw by that one judge in that one court in that one state, that's not America. America goes by the evidence. America does what's fair. America does what is transparent and we can show that what we do is for the right reasons.

Starting point is 00:39:23 That's not America. That's funny. That's funny. He was one of the most, probably the most pro-abortion attorneys general of California that has ever existed. Of course, he believes himself to be a devout Catholic, but has been one of the most just brutally and vengefully. pro-abortion officials in American history. I mean, the way that he targeted pro-life pregnancy centers when he was in California, when he was the Attorney General of California, I mean nothing short of just absolutely

Starting point is 00:40:04 wicked, absolutely evil. That's not America. Do you think Xavier Bacera has the authority to say what is America and what is not? And in another sense, maybe I'll agree. Maybe I agree with him. I mean, a lot of Americans, unfortunately, are very pro-abortion. But if he's talking about like American institutions, if he's talking about justice, if he's talking about liberty and justice for all inequality under the law,

Starting point is 00:40:29 I'm not really sure that his opinion is down. And it's just ironic that he's saying here, you know, we are transparent in America. We show that what we're doing is for the right reasons. He doesn't even take the time to explain himself. Has he ever taken the time to explain why he believes that poisoning and dismembering babies inside the womb is sound? It's constitutional. I don't think he has because the left doesn't have to do that. They have the media.

Starting point is 00:40:56 They have propaganda to cover for them. All right. We've got Kamala Harris. Of course, she's got something to say about all of this. Well, I think she is trying to say something about all of this. Okay, here's a vice president, Kamala Harris, reacting to what she believes. is just such an egregious ruling by this judge. There is no question that the president and I are going to stand with the women of America

Starting point is 00:41:34 and do everything we can to ensure that women have the ability to make decisions about their health care, their reproductive health care in a manner that is what they need. And they decide that not their government. What? What? Also, I just, I'm sorry. I know this is kind of petty. but her, I think her hand gestures are trying to overcompensate for the lack of strength in her words,

Starting point is 00:42:05 the lack of security that she has and what she's saying and her ability to communicate because she tries to be so aggressive with her fists and with her hand motions, and it's actually, I think, overcompensating for her, just the instability, both in her voice and actually in the words that she chooses, her inability to really make coherent arguments or to ever really make a point in anything that she's saying. And if you follow the logic, if you can, of what she is attempting to argue here, really she would be saying that there should be no restrictions on abortion at all. So a woman should decide when and how she wants the child in her womb to be killed and the government

Starting point is 00:42:49 shouldn't have anything to say about it. Now why? Why shouldn't the government have anything to say about it. It's not just the woman's body. If it were just the woman's body, the government probably wouldn't have a lot to say about it. But by the way, like laws restrict what you can do with your body. That's not new. You don't have complete bodily autonomy. Your bodily autonomy stops when you are exercising that autonomy to infringe upon another person's right. So when people say, oh, I don't want the government policing my body. Look, the government polices your body when they say that you can drunk drive when they say that you can't take certain drugs when they say that you can't assault someone when you can't sexually sexually assault someone when you can't when you can't murder someone that is

Starting point is 00:43:34 the government policing your body to protect the rights of other people and in some cases even to protect you but also to protect your community the people who might be affected by the drugs that you take by the substances that you buy, the violence that you inflict on those around you. So yes, the government is in the business of policing people's bodies, especially when that body is being used to infringe upon the safety and the rights of another person. And abortion does that. Abortion does that. So really, it comes down to whether or not life inside the womb, the human being, that's not a

Starting point is 00:44:15 question. It's a human being from the point of conception. It's not anything else. there's nothing else that it can be. It's not a Turvis Tumblr. It's not a summer squash. It's not maybe going to be a frog. From the moment of conception,

Starting point is 00:44:25 this is a human being with its own unique DNA. Its gender is already determined at the point of conception. Its eye color is already determined at the point of conception. This is a human being. The entire argument, the entire debate is on whether or not that human being is a person with rights that should be protected. If you are pro-choice, pro-choice,

Starting point is 00:44:47 pro-choice you believe that it should be a choice it should be legal to kill that child you don't believe that that is a human being that is worthy of protection you don't believe that human being has rights the pro-life side does we all know it's a human being you can try to argue otherwise but you would just be scientifically silly at that point you just don't believe if you're a pro-choice that it's a person with value and that has rights and you need to be able to argue why has Xavier bezera ever done that. As Kamala Harris ever been able to do that? Has AOC ever been able to do that? Has Joe Biden ever been able to do that? Tell me why. Is it location? Is it size? Is it the stage of development? Is it because they might have a bad life? Is it because there's something wrong with them? All right, apply all of those factors that you use to justify killing the child inside the womb to people outside of the womb and see how far you can go without

Starting point is 00:45:37 realizing that your logic makes you a very, very evil person that advocates for murder of human beings just because they can't defend themselves. Like, do you justify murder for human beings who are poor? Human beings who are victims of abuse, human beings that might have a bad future, human beings who may be a weight on the system one day, human beings whose parents don't love them or want them, human beings who have a disability, human beings outside of the womb who are smaller than other human beings, less developed than other human beings, less strong, less capable with a lower capacity than other human beings. If you don't use those things to justify killing people outside of the womb,

Starting point is 00:46:20 why do you use them as justifications to kill people inside of the womb? Again, just based on their location, based on their size, the pro-choice argument, the pro-abortion argument is cruel. It's illogical. It's incoherent, but mostly it's cruel. actually accept that you just are for the legal of murder, the legal murder of people based on very, very arbitrary reasons. And it leads to some very nasty stuff. It leads to advocacy for eugenics and all kinds of brutality of people, not just inside the womb, but outside the womb.

Starting point is 00:46:54 And speaking of that, interestingly enough, the myth of Pristone, the drug actually has ties to Nazi gas camps. I saw that Joel Berry tweeted, this. He's of the Babylon B. He said the company that makes Smith of Pristone is the same company that manufactured the Zycon B gas for the gas chambers in Nazi death camps. And we just wanted to fax check that to make sure that that's true. And it is true. The German chemical company, IG Farbin, manufactured Zycon B, the gas chamber poison among many other products and its factories exploited more than 35,000 slave labors, many from Auschwitz. It even built a concentration camp of its own to improve efficiency.

Starting point is 00:47:38 IG Farben turned into, I don't even know how to pronounce this, host, host or host, A.G upon its name, oh, it's pronounced Hoyt. Got it in there. Hoyt, AG upon its name change. According to the New York Times, research for the RU486, known as Miffa Prestone, began under the supervision of French researcher, so many things today. Etienne Emil Valou in conjunction with Rasul Euclap S.A., the French pharmaceutical company for which he was a consultant. Euclap was a subsidiary of Hoyt A.G. So in summary, IG Farben, manufacturer of Zyclan B changed its name to Hoyt AG, one of Hoyt AG subsidiaries.

Starting point is 00:48:25 Russell Euclap is the fringe company that developed RU486 with a Prestone. So it's true. They are the same. company. This is the history of abortion. This is the history of abortion methods. This is the history of eugenics. This is the history of Planned Parenthood. It's so funny because you hear the left all the time, the history of this, the roots of that, the origins of that to try to argue for, I don't know, the immorality of private schools, for example, because some of them, many of them were developed in the 1970s to try to resist desegregation. And, integration that was happening at the time. That is not a good argument for me to try to say that private schools are evil today. But that is the argument that they try to use. And yet, when it

Starting point is 00:49:15 comes to the things that they want, like abortion, like Planned Parenthood, they are totally unwilling to look at the origins, even though it's not just the origins that are evil. It's the thing today that is evil too. Let's think a little bit harder, Christian. Let's think a little bit harder. And just to like bring this full circle, this is a matter of life and death. It does not matter if people call you divisive. It does not matter if people call you mean. It does not matter if people say you being pro-life or anti-abortion is the reason why people aren't Christians anymore.

Starting point is 00:49:47 You're anti-woman. You're bigoted. Whatever. It doesn't matter. We're literally talking about babies being brutally murdered and poisoned and dismembered, their hearts being stopped at a certain point of pregnancy through a Kim, injection that is injected through the woman's abdomen directly into the heart of the wiggling child to force that child into cardiac arrest that is the same chemical combination that is used

Starting point is 00:50:11 in lethal injections to execute murders. Like that's what we're talking about when we're talking about abortion. It's not ambiguous which side God is on. It's not ambiguous which side Christians should be on. And I'm not just talking about morally. I'm also talking about politically. There's no reason for that to be legal in the United States. There's no reason to not legally protect the right of those and vulnerable and defenseless children to live. Okay? This is not a tough one. It's not a tough one for the Christian.

Starting point is 00:50:40 These babies are made in the image of God. And it's pretty clear. It's pretty clear what side we should be on. Should we speak the truth and love? Yes. Should we do everything that we can to provide resources for these moms to make sure that they see adoption as an option or parenting as an option? yes we should and to make sure that they are well provided for and well protected but guess what christians

Starting point is 00:51:05 are already doing that anyone says we need to do more work why don't you get up off the couch and do more work i guarantee you there's a pregnancy center within a 60 mile radius of your house that would take your volunteer hours that are already doing the work that you might be saying needs to be done before you can be truly pro-life will put action to your words and to your complaints the reality is that christians have been fighting on behalf of these vulnerable families and babies and moms for decades and decades. So go to your local pregnancy center. See how you can help. See how you can donate. See what you can give them to make sure that these moms that are now choosing life and in some cases kind of being forced to choose life because of these laws. Praise God. See what they need. That's what we Christian

Starting point is 00:51:50 should be doing. But that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be also speaking the truth, even if you get mean messages about it. It's worth it. It's worth it. Nothing that we endure. for being pro-life could be as grotesque, as difficult as what the babies in the womb have to endure who are suffering through abortion, right? So that's one, that's one perspective. And by the way, like, you don't know what babies, what people you are going to meet in heaven who said, hey, because you talked to my mom, because you donated your time at this pregnancy center, because you shared the gospel here because my mom saw your post or whatever it was, she decided not to abort me. And here I am. In heaven, I became a Christian. You're part of my testimony because my mom

Starting point is 00:52:41 chose life because of you. You might not even realize the lives that God chooses to save through you because of your obedience to him. And you won't get to see the constellation of that person's testimony until glory. That is very worth whatever hate we get today. All right, we've got a lot coming up this week. There's so much that I want to talk about. Obviously, I want to talk about what happened to Riley Gaines at the San Francisco School. I think it was San Francisco State last week and just the vicious mob that attacked her and what that means about the state of our country. And we'll also talk a little bit about Bud Light choosing to partner with Dylan Mulvaney. I really tire of talking about this person, but we are going to talk about less about him and more

Starting point is 00:53:38 about why corporations are making these choices. And I love the best person to talk about this with was James Lindsay. You guys know I've had him on my show several times. There's also some disagreements, actually, that we have that I've seen him articulate on Twitter that I want to hash out with him. That's, that's probably going to be a two-part interview, probably just because we always have so much to talk about. And you guys love when I have him on. So he is just going to dissect not just what is happening behind all of these things, but why they're happening. I also wanted to talk about this crazy story. Oregon, in Oregon, this mother, Jessica Bates, was prohibited by the state from adopting

Starting point is 00:54:20 because she's a Christian and she wouldn't say that she's going to go along with a child saying that they're the opposite gender. And so the state was like, sorry, you can adopt, but now there's this whole lawsuit. And so I want to get into that and talk about that. There's just so much, as always, to discuss this week. Feel free to shoot me a message and let me know if there's anything in particular other things. You want to talk about. Oh, also, yes, we're going to talk about Tennessee three and this Tennessee legislature.

Starting point is 00:54:47 What is actually true about that? And also are these people like exemplars of Christianity, the things that they're going up and saying about what the Bible has to say about gun violence and all of that. We'll get into that as well. Let's see. What else? Oh, and at some point, we're still going to talk about the Florida book banning and so-called. And what is actually true about that?

Starting point is 00:55:08 We've been, like, sitting on that story for a while because so many other things have come up. So there's lots of things on the docket. Please leave a five-star review if you love this show. And we've got new merch, alleymerch.com. Lots of new merch, Mother's Day is coming up. So make sure that you check that out. All right, that's all we got for today. see you guys back here tomorrow.

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