Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 798 | America’s Sacrificing Orphans on the Altar of Transgenderism | Guests: Jessica Bates & Christiana Kiefer

Episode Date: May 2, 2023

Today we're joined by Christiana Kiefer, senior counsel with Alliance Defending Freedom, and her client Jessica Bates, who is suing the state of Oregon for denying her the opportunity to adopt two children because she would not comply with the state’s policy to “respect, accept, and support" any child's sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression. Jessica tells us her story, from losing her husband in a tragic accident to becoming a single mother of five and seeking to provide a home for even more children. Christiana shares the legal details and why the state of Oregon (among other states) appears to be valuing LGBTQ affirmation over putting children in loving homes. Then, we take a look at the wildest Met Gala outfits. --- Timecodes: (01:05) Jessica Bates' story (11:50) Speed bumps to adopting in Oregon (18:02) Lawsuit (27:11) What can the average person do? (31:58) Met Gala outfits --- Today's Sponsors: Cozy Earth — go to CozyEarth.com/ALLIE and use promo code 'ALLIE' at checkout to save 35% off your order! EdenPURE — when you buy one Thunderstorm you get one FREE, this week only! Go to EdenPureDeals.com, use promo code 'ALLIE'! Freedom Project Academy — FPA has perfected live online learning for more than a decade. Built on Judeo-Christian values and classical curriculum, Freedom Project Academy is dedicated to providing mastery of subject matter, not leftist propaganda. Save 10% on tuition when you enroll today at FreedomForSchool.com. Quinn's Goat Soap — right now through Mother’s Day save on the Four Seasons of Soap package. Normally this package is $120, but during this Mother’s Day sale it’s only $99. Go to QPGoatSoap.com and use code "ALLIE". --- Links: Fox News: "I’m a Christian and I'm suing my state because it refused to let me adopt children" https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/christian-suing-state-because-refused-let-me-adopt-children --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 742 | Welcome to America: Say Gay or Get Out https://apple.co/3VqSAHs Ep 603 | How CPS & Foster Care Corruption is Killing Kids | Guest: Naomi Schaefer Riley https://apple.co/3Vrl6sD --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'MOM10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. A Christian single mom of five in Oregon is trying to adopt through the state's adoption process, but she has been rejected by the state because she will not go along with gender ideology. Now she is suing the state of Oregon, claiming that they are discriminating against her for her faith. This is such an important story. I've got Jessica, the mom here, as well as her representation. Christina from Alliance Defending Freedom here today. We are going to get into this and talk about why this matters and also the amazing things that God is already doing through her story.

And then we're going to have a little bit of fun at the end of this. We're going to look at the ridiculousness at the Met Gala last night. We don't really care about it, but also it's just fun to make fun of these crazy people. All right. This episode is brought to you by our friends at GoodRanchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use promo code Alley at checkout. That's good ranchers.com code Alley. Jessica, Christina, thanks so much for joining me.

Jessica, we'll start with you. You're suing the state of Oregon for denying you the opportunity to adopt children because you're not planning on complying with the state's policy to respect preferred pronouns and things like that. obviously it's contrary to your faith. It's contrary to my faith. But I want to back up. Tell us how you started adopting children and how you started taking care of children who needed a home and needed love in the state of Oregon. Well, I haven't yet. But that's the goal. A couple years ago, I was listening to a focus on the family broadcast as I was driving into work. and it was a single dad who had adopted a son out of foster care.

And I kind of thought, oh, that's really awesome that he did that. And then it was not an audible voice, but it was really clear four words in my spirit, just saying, those are my children. And, you know, try not to crash, got into work, and just kind of thinking about this and praying and felt like God was leading me to into adopting. And that was a little over two years ago, I want to say. It's definitely been a little bit of a journey, but ended up looking into the state of Oregon. I had started for whatever reason looking internationally. And I have five children and my husband was killed in a head-on collision

about six years ago. And so I kind of started just an open dialogue with the kids, see how they felt about it and we're praying about it. And we felt like we would like to take in a sibling pair. So not just one child, but we felt like we could help two out. And this Columbia basically is kind of like, uh, we can't really guarantee that we would adopt a sibling pair to a single mom. And it was going to be, you know, pretty expensive to get started through the agency I was looking at and I think just to adopt internationally, it costs a fair amount. And so then I just kind of, felt like, okay, maybe I just need to look right here in Oregon and go through the state system. There's kids right here who need a family.

So in March of last year of 2022, that's when I started looking into the states and starting their process and started applying and, you know, getting references and getting fingerprinted and going through some of their training and everything. And you're a single mother, correct? Right. And several years ago, you lost your husband in a tragic accident, right? Yes. Yeah, I was so blessed with such a wonderful husband. And it's kind of funny because, you know, you look in hindsight, he and I, we had kind of talked about adopting a little bit,

but just felt like, no, God's not really leading us to do that right now. And I'm just with the history of losing him and all of that and just walking through that with our biological children, And I'm thankful because I felt like that was kind of God's mercy and just his timing. He knows when it's the right time for everything. And, yeah, David was killed. We had record snowfall out here. It was crazy.

And he was the manager of the radiology department where I work at in Ontario, where we both worked. And he could work from home. And so he was going to work at home that morning. And I had to be in for the early shift at 7 a.m. And so I kind of remember asking him, you know, which vehicle do you want me to drive? Which one should I take in? And he just, without hesitation, was like, I'm going to drive you into work. I'm going to get you there so make sure you get you there safe.

Yeah. And this man who had just brutally murdered his ex-wife was fleeing police and chose to run into us head on at like 80 miles an hour. Wow. And David veered to the right right before impact. And so he ended up taking the brunt of it and was killed immediately. I'm so sorry. And you and you both have, you have five biological children, right? Right.

Five biological children. You're left as a single mother. And I know maybe this doesn't seem like part of the story that's making the news. But just, I mean, on this podcast, we love to see how God orchestrates people's testimonies, whether it's through tragedy or through loss or through hardship. or through mistakes or whatever it is. And so tell us a little bit about just after that happened. Obviously, it was devastating, shocking.

I can't even imagine how you tell your young children, something like that. But tell us a little bit what life was like after that. And then getting to the point of saying, I think I want to adopt more children. I mean, there's a lot that God would have had to do in that interim period. Right. Well, definitely something like that. test your faith. It'll test what you believe to be true. Do you really believe it? And I love one of the analogies that my youth pastor used one Sunday sometime after Dave's passing was the story that there

was a mom who was dying of cancer and she went out to eat with her family. And after the meal said, hang on to your fork because of the best is yet to come. And just clinging to what the Bible promises us and what God says. And I have to confess, too, for that first year, a couple years, I really got into apologetics. And that really encouraged me just to show how much evidence there is out there that what Jesus did wasn't done in a corner. And it's not cleverly devised myths that were following. Like, it's true history. And he's, and God has definitely been the one who has seen me through. I just know his grace has been around me. And it does feel, when you have a loss like that, it does feel just like this void or this, you know, this surreal, kind of like a dream where you're

waiting to wake up and it's really hard to believe it's real, probably for the first year or two, even. But God has definitely been there. And watching your children go through that, you know, I have two loving parents that I still have. So I, my heart still aches for my kids not having their earthly dad here, but also just encouraging them in their faith that, you know, Jesus told us to pray, Father. He wants us to have that intimate relationship with God where he's the ultimate good father. So really encouraging them in that. And then it's like when he spoke those, those words to me, those are my children. It was in that protective dad voice.

Like, I love them. And it's like he let me just catch just the smallest glimpse of his heart for these kids. And seeing my kids not have their dad. And then thinking about these children that don't have really either parent or because of, you know, drug abuse or other issues, they can't have that healthy, solid grounding family relationship with their parents. It really makes you want to do something because even though we don't have a physical dad in this house right now. I feel like we have a really loving family and I think the kids and I could give a family to some children need it. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie,

you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this T-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts.

I hope you'll join us. It just goes to show God's power, his ability to make beauty out of the ashes to redeem any kind of lost or devastating situation. I mean, if you think about not just that your husband tragically died, but how he died, there's an opportunity there for bitterness, for resentment, for anger, for unforgiveness, for that man who made an avoidable, I mean, choice to, you know, make a decision that then ended in the murder of the father of your children and your husband. And not only have you, I don't want to say moved on from that, but you have begun to heal from that by the power of God. and then use your faith to then redeem the lives of other people, hopefully, through adoption. And so I guess it was four years after your husband died. I think if I have the math correct here, that you kind of, that you are listening to focus on the family.

And you're like, wow, I want to take part of that. And then through the process, realize you are going to go through the state of Oregon. Did you assume at that point when you were going to try to adopt a child or be a part of the foster care system that it would be pretty straightforward? like you would just kind of apply and then you would be a part of the process? Yeah, you know, I thought it would be pretty straightforward. And I kind of thought that the biggest challenge would be like making sure I have all the carbon monoxide detectors and good grates across the window wells.

Like I thought it would be more stuff to like make sure the house is up to exact standards that they want. I never would have dreamed it was going to go down this road. Yeah. Yeah. So tell us a little bit about the first speed bump. So you tried to become, was it a foster parent or adopt a specific child? Basically adopting not a specific child or anything. We hadn't met any siblings or anything just to adopt through the foster care system. Okay. So that was the first thing that you were trying to do. Tell me about the first speed bump when you realized, oh, this is not going to be smooth sailing. Well, so they have you take what's called a resource and adoptive family's training.

their raft training. And I took that back in June and definitely in July. And one of the topics that's basically a full unit in that training is what they call SOGI, which is sexual orientation and gender identity. And they emphasize that you have to respect, accept, and then support children if they don't have, if a young man wants to transition and become a female, you're expected to take him for cross-sex hormone injections or for surgeries or for whatever step they're at or whatever thing it is that they're wanting to do. You would be expected to take children to like gay pride parades or

post certain flags or signs in your yard. So you would have to not just call this like boy by his preferred pronoun so-called if he wanted to be a girl, but you would actually have to completely affirm and then go out of your way to celebrate this, you know, identity. Yeah, that's the thing that, and that's where I finished the training and then I emailed my certifier in the beginning of August and let her know, hey, you know, the training had a lot of really wonderful things that I'm using with my biological children right now. But this, Soji thing conflicts with my faith. And I have very different views and convictions than this ideology that the state of Oregon is requiring, requiring me to do and to accept. And it took a while

to hear back. But that was basically the first speed bump is getting through the training and letting them know, hey, I have conflict of conscience here. And what was their response when you said that? Well, it took about two months for them to respond. And my certifier ended up calling me and kind of just walking through hypothetical situations. And the one that she specifically brought up was, okay, well, you have a child in your care who would like to transition and needs to go have hormone shots. Will you drive this child to their hormone appointments? And I told her no. I believe that our gender is something sacred.

And not only that, I think I said, I think that's child abuse. That it's just you're not affirming a person for who they really are, basically. And she basically said, well, we're basically going to pull your application and put it on pause. If you change your mind, then we can put it back into circulation. And I even said, so in the whole state of Oregon, you're telling me there's not a sibling pair that does. doesn't have gender confusion issues or gender dysphoria that we could take into our home. And she said, well, that's not really the point because even if we did allow that years down the road, they could change their mind and develop these issues. And you're not going to be

supportive in, you know, taking them to these appointments and things. So she basically let me know that it was basically going to be pulled and everything. And then about two months after that phone call. I got the official letter of denial from the state. So you couldn't, they said basically, you don't qualify to adopt anyone, whether they're newborns, whether they're toddlers, whether they're 16 years old. You are not qualified because you don't agree with the state's radical view on this idea that you can change your gender through hormone therapy or whatever it is. And you won't go to gay pride parades, right? Right.

Yeah, that's what it came down to. And, you know, they kind of make themselves sound like they're really inclusive, they're really diverse, and they want everybody to be involved and have fair access, but not if you don't agree with their ideology. And if you won't, you know, in my case, if you won't violate your conscience to uphold the things they want you to uphold. So a lot of people in your situation, I mean, you've been through a lot. you have a lot on your plate just as a mom of five children, a single mom of five children.

So the fact that you not only wanted to adopt, but you wanted to adopt a sibling pair, so more than one. But after this, I think a lot of people in your situation would have just said, thrown up their hands and just kind of given up. But you decided to keep pursuing this, right? Like when did you decide, okay, this is not right? I'm going to figure out how to fight back against this rejection. Yeah, pretty much after the, well, after the phone call, I did ask for an explanation in print,

you know, please of why I'm being denied. And I kind of started looking for help, basically, and ended up coming across the ADF and the Alliance Defending Freedom. And once I contacted them through just their online form, I want to say it was like a week or less. they got right back to me and then they said we're interested. And so I started, you know, giving them all the information and emails.

And it was kind of funny because I'd been praying, you know, you're just troubled about something like that. And it doesn't sit well. I had a mentor kind of tell me she's adopted several children. And she kind of said, well, sometimes, you know, it's just tell them what they want to hear so that you can get kids out of the system, which I can understand, like the ultimate goal, yes, that's noble. but it just I was just so upset, I guess, about it, feeling it was so unjust that I didn't want to do that.

I wanted to fight it. And I had been just praying for a sign of God's favor in all of this. And then that's shortly after I had started really praying that prayer. That's when ADF contacted me and started, you know, the process and saying we're interested in representing you. Okay, so you had kind of made this public or you had reached out to them? You said? Yeah. Yeah, I reached out to him basically.

Okay. Okay. And then, Christiana, tell me about this lawsuit. Does the state not have the right to say, okay, you can't adopt if you don't align with our values? Well, the state of Oregon here is using an ideological litmus test, as Jessica explained. They basically welcome people from all cultural and religious backgrounds to adopt and to be able to adopt a child, be a welcoming and loving home. for a child who is a good fit for that family, unless you disagree with the state's gender ideology. And they're barring incredible parents like Jessica out the door simply because of her religious beliefs about marriage and about the human body.

And that's wrong. It violates the First Amendment. And so Alliance Depending Freedom is just privileged to represent Jessica. And we filed a federal lawsuit against the state of Oregon. And we've asked them to allow her to move forward with the adoption process. while the case moves forward because what they're doing here is just a clear violation of her First Amendment right to not only speak her religious convictions and to say true things, but also to live according to her faith. And so the lawsuit alleges that this is a violation of the First Amendment, and where are you in this process right now? So we're still very early on in the process, just recently filed a federal lawsuit, and we're still waiting on the state of Oregon to respond. Okay, so you're still very early on in this. And what do you do during this waiting period? Is there anything that ADF tries to do to, like, speed things up, to get things going? Like, do you just repeatedly contact them or kind of what goes on? Yeah, so we filed a motion for what's called a preliminary injunction, which is basically saying the state of Oregon, what you're doing here is wrong. It's clearly wrong. And you're hurting, not just Jessica, but vulnerable children who need a forever home.

Right now, there's an average of 8,000 children in Oregon's foster system who need a forever home. And so we're asking the court to put a pause on Oregon's unconstitutional policies while the lawsuit moves forward. But I think the second big thing we're doing is just trying to amplify Jessica's voice. I mean, you can hear she's an incredible mom and she would make an incredible safe and loving home for a child in the state of Oregon. Unfortunately, what's happened to her is happening to other Christian families across the country. We're hearing more and more stories of families from other states who are experiencing similar discrimination from their state organizations and barring them at the door from even being able to foster or adopt a child who agrees with their religious convictions.

So this is an increasing problem. We want to raise awareness about this and help Christian families recognize that what's happening to them violates the First Amendment and there are solutions. Wow. And it's just fundamentally anti-truth. as well as anti-first amendment. I mean, the entire idea that a child can even change their gender, or that that's a good thing, or that that is so important to a child's well-being,

that it's actually better for them to stay in the foster care system than it would be for them to have a loving, secure, and stable home where someone is taking care of them, if that family simply says, you know what, God put you in the body that he wanted you to be in, and I'm going to affirm that. I'm going to love that. And I'm going to celebrate that. They actually want the opposite. They want someone who says, no, I'm going to approve of maiming this body in the name of an ideology that maybe I don't even agree with.

It's really, really sad, even beyond just the constitutional problems with it, just the fundamentally moral and truth problems with it. But you're right. There are several states that enact this kind of policy. and it probably goes unchallenged in a lot of cases, maybe because of what you said, Jessica, that some parents are just like, I'm just going to say what I need to say. I'm going to lie, which I agree with your reasoning, that that's just not the route to go. Or they just, after they're rejected, they just say, well, I guess there's nothing I can do. And they don't even realize that there is an avenue to push back on this because they don't realize it's a violation of the First Amendment. it. Christina, what is the kind of euphemistic language that these more progressive states are using to justify their policy? Are they saying it's like pro-safety, anti-discrimination, or how are they kind of casting their position? Well, instead of Oregon is casting it as supporting or accepting a child

in their gender identity and gender dysphoria. But I think you made such an important point earlier. This transgender ideology is not only wrong and false, but it's dangerous. And it's harmful to children. What the state of Oregon is demanding that Jessica agreed to ahead of time before any child was in the picture is that she would take them to receive dangerous puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones, potentially even life-altering surgeries, which just would, it's tragic what they're doing to these young children. And so the ideology is not only wrong and false, but it is dangerous. And so that's why it's so important to have Christian families like Jessica and her children standing up and wanting to speak truth and love and accept a child for who they are and help them see the reality that they're created in God's image and that their biological sex is a gift to be stewarded. I mean, it's pretty incredible when you stop to think about what this story really represents, that there is a state in the United States of America in which faithful Christians cannot adopt because they will not agree. to potentially one day allowing their adopted son or daughter to either be chemically

castrated or to get a double mastectomy in the name of gender confusion. Like that ideology is so important to the people in charge. They're literally willing to risk a child's and adolescence well-being on the altar of it. It's really sad. What can just the average person do? Okay, so they're incensed right now. they're like, I can't believe this is happening, whether they live in the state of Oregon or they live somewhere else. Is there anything that, like, my audience members can do to push this case along, to push back against policies like this?

Well, first, I encourage you to share Jessica's story. You know, being aware that these types of cases exist and that there is an avenue to legally push back against government overreach and state forced ideology is the first step. Secondly, if you're aware of other Christian families or believers who have, have been discriminated against by state governments because they won't bow down to the government's gender ideology. Contact Alliance Defending Freedom. Let us know. We would love to have a conversation with you. Jessica, I'm so thankful that you are sharing your testimony. I mean, there's a, you know, Philippians 413 is very often overuse and sometimes misuse, that I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. It's kind of something we grew up saying like before soccer games or something,

but it's a real verse that has real power. And I think that you and the way that the Lord has worked through you and worked through your perseverance is a real testimony to the truth of that verse, that looking at your adverse circumstances, anyone would have said, you know what, you just need to sit everything else out. You just kind of need to chill. You don't need to worry about what God may be calling you to do or extra steps you need to take. And yet, through the power of Christ, you have persisted. And there are many, many reasons, many reasons.

seeing and unseen, known and unknown why God preserved your life that night. But I have to think that this is one of them, that God, the God of redemption is bringing such beauty and such purpose out of a devastating situation that Satan meant exclusively for evil. So I just want to thank you for persisting and for using your testimony in a powerful way. We do not know how God is going to even use your beginning efforts right now to save and preserve the lives of other people, to bring people to himself. And so even if it seems like things are stalled or even if it seems like things aren't going your way right now, like, I am very confident that the Lord is using this for his glory.

And also ADF, Christiana, like, I really believe y'all are doing the Lord's work by representing cases like Jessica's. So just God bless both of you. And Jessica, if there's anything else that you want to say, that you want to end on, please say it. Oh, wow. Well, it's funny because when you live through something like, you know, after losing Dave and everything, party sometimes questions, you know, do I really have to be here, God? Like, I'm ready to go home too. But that's been the prayer. My heart is, God, if you can still use me to help people to wake up to you and to know you and to come to salvation, okay, I'm all in.

And one of the verses, I'm going to forget, I think it's Psalm 126. or 26 at the end, and I believe it's David, but he says, I'm confident of this, that I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. And so I feel like that's a piece of scripture that's been really meaningful, and I'm just trusting him. Yes, yes. Well, thank you so much for your faith.

It's a testimony for all of us. And Christiana, thank you so much, too. I do encourage people to support ADF and to support. and if you've got a story similar to Jessica's to reach out to ADF2, thank you so much, Christiana, and thank you both for taking the time to come on. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Okay.

We're just going to quickly go through some of these outfits from the Met Gala last night. Brie, I don't even know what the Met Gall is, to be honest. What do they do after they walk the carpet and then go inside? I think it's like a fundraising event. For the Met. For the Met, I think. Okay. So they go inside and look at art?

Yeah, I think there's like a whole display of like the, I don't know, the outfits from the theme or something. Okay. What was the theme of last night? So last night's theme was Carl Lagerfeld. No idea. He was the creative director of Chanel. And he died, I guess, pretty recently. Okay.

And so it was just like honoring his fashion. Okay. All right. So let's look at some of them. First, let's look at the first picture. So we've got Kim Kay and her servant in the background. All right. So we've got some beads, some beating.

Yeah, a nice little corset there. A nice little corset. I remember people were so mad because she was wearing Marilyn Monroe's dress like a few years ago and like ripped it, which is so disrespectful. Okay, from a, I mean, MetGala is not about necessarily looking just like beautiful. It's about like meeting the theme and looking a little weird. Yep. So, and I have no idea who this director was. So I have no idea if this is like an accurate representation.

Just think Chanel, what you know of Chanel, I think. Which is like nothing. Maybe the perfume. Okay, rating 1 through 10. This is definitely not the worst I've seen here. And 10 being the best. I would maybe go with like a 7. She looks pretty.

I'd say 5. Five? Yeah. I was too generous. Okay. Let's look at Emma Chamberlain. This is like a, this is a YouTube. who has become insanely famous.

Okay. Sure. I don't know. Is socks with heels that's a thing right now? I've seen that. You've seen that? Yeah, I've seen that. I hate this, but...

You hate it. Okay. And I, okay, so I like this color on her. I actually love this color in general. Her makeup is really dark compared to the light blue. Yeah, that's true. But I do like the color also. Yeah.

Okay. Okay, I'll rate this a four and a half. What would you say? I'd say three. Well, no, that's, I'll say four because there's worse. There's worse. Okay. Let's see Pedro Pascal.

Hate. Hate. Hate. He looks like a 12-year-old Satan. He's wearing shorts, which no man should ever do if you're not at the beach or pool after the age of 12. Mm-mm. No, you're right. Or running.

And someone told him this would be a good idea. And that offends me. Yes. So for those of you who are listening, he's wearing a red and black combo, which again is like really only appropriate in certain cases if you are Bielzebub is one of the circumstances. But he's wearing like crew socks, weird dress shoes, a red trench coat, black like trouser shorts that are, I don't know, seven inches above his knee. red shirt black tie slicked back hair i mean he's a very if i if i can say just objectively speaking a very attractive man but this looks awful yeah no agreed it's not good but everyone loves him so he can get away with it i guess one point nine for me specific i'll go to oh i'll round it up

okay um i might have to skip some what looking at the list what do you think is most important to look at who's this this is bad bunny which look at bad bunny which look bad bunny I thought Bad Bunny was a woman. No, you're probably mixing that up with someone else. This is Bad Bunny. But Kayla, show the other picture because this looks normal until you see the back. Oh, disgusting. Okay, again, this is like womanly.

Yeah. He's wearing like a backwards necklace and like the back of his outfit is cut out. Okay. Maybe I was thinking of Doja Cat. Maybe is Doja Cat a woman? Yes, Doja Cat is a woman. Oh, wait, let me rate that. The front is better than Pedro's.

So two, it's in the two because the cut out in the back is so disgusting. I would say 2.7. Okay. I'll do three. Okay. Okay. I guess I was thinking of Doja Cat, Bad Bunny, same kind of deal. Okay.

Is there another picture? You're going to want to look close up at this one. She's wearing cat ears for those listening. Oh, no! So she has, okay, this, she got the same makeup. up artist that they use for Jamongi when the little boy turns into a monkey you know what I'm talking about it's the same deal so they like put on I don't know prosthetic nose and in like upper lips so that she actually looks like a cat she's wearing cat ears but they also made her face look like a cat

I don't know what she looks like and I'll explain why Carl Agarfeld has a cat named chuppet and he left 1.3 million pounds in inheritance to the cat who now lives in Paris and has a full-time housekeeper. Just the cat. Just the cat. So that's why she's dressed like that. I'm really weird. Okay, Ann Hathaway.

I've not seen Anne Hathaway in years. I can't even really see this. Do we just have one photo of her? Okay, tell me what's going on. You can see it a little better. It's kind of like fabric put together with like expensive safety pins. Safety pins, yes. Is the black a part of her dress or is that someone else's dress behind her?

Oh, that's a good, no, I think that's someone else behind her. I could be wrong. But I think she looks amazing. I mean, she does look great. She looks like she has not aged one day. Yeah, that's rude. I mean, I don't like the safety pins, but I'll probably say a six just because she herself looks great. Yeah, I give it a seven.

Okay. Last one. Jared Leto. What? Is this Photoshop? No, it's not. Is he being the cat? that inherited the 1.3 million.

He's being Shupet, the cat. Okay, so that's what Shepet looks like. Okay, oh, he's literally just wearing a body suit. Yeah. Furries everywhere, so excited. He's wearing like a body suit of a white cat. It looks like somewhat like a sticker on the screen. Like it looks photoshopped.

Wow. Okay. And then he takes off the head of the suit and he gets a picture of himself. He's got a lot of eye shadow on. I kind of respect it because it's like low effort, you know? Low effort. And maybe he's like kind of making a mockery of the whole thing. I don't know. I mean, sure. You know what? 10. 10. Agreed. 10. 10. All right. That's all we've got time for today. Lots of nonsense to put punctuation on our very serious and important episode, just some unimportant things for your viewing listening pleasure. All right. We will be back here tomorrow. See

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