Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 813 | Is Chick-fil-A Moving Left? & Khloe Kardashian’s Surrogacy Confession

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

Starting point is 00:00:19 We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Well, Chick-fil-A is taking a big step to the left. Also, Chloe Kardashian admits on television that using surrogacy to gestate and then birth her son has actually made it really difficult to bond with him. And we will analyze this and talk about why that is on this episode of Relatable, which is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use code Alley at checkout for a

Starting point is 00:01:07 discount. That's good ranchers.com code Alley. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone had a wonderful Memorial Day weekend. We have a lot to talk about, a lot to talk about today. But first, just want to say how thankful I am for those who made the ultimate sacrifice on our behalf so we could have the fun and free day that we had yesterday and have every day that, you know, it's kind of funny when people say, I've mixed feelings about this. When people say, happy Memorial Day, someone told me that the other day. And on the one hand, I'm like, well, it's not really something that we're happy about. Happy Memorial Day. It's not like Merry Christmas or Happy Halloween or Happy July 4th. I mean, we're

Starting point is 00:02:03 talking about something very solemn and somber. We are talking about human beings, image bearers of God, who were killed for our freedom so that they could secure the things that we hold dear today. But at the same time, it is something that is worth celebration, all of these freedoms that were died for and that were secured, all of the pain and the loss that has been suffered on behalf of the United States. It has allowed us to have a day of celebration. And so, So it is a little bit of a mixture there. It's a bittersweet day, I would say, but I don't think that there should be any guilt either. And having a day that's full of fun things like the lake and hamburgers and hot dogs and time with family and all of that.

Starting point is 00:02:49 I think that's also what it's for as long as we are continuing to remember, not just the sacrifices that those soldiers have made, but also their families who are still reeling from and dealing with that pain today. And so for me, I said, one, I'm just grateful still for those who are putting themselves in the line of fire today who have not yet made that ultimate sacrifice, maybe never will. But I'm also just in prayer for those families who still feel that hole in their heart, still feel the impact of that loss. I'm thankful also for the sacrifice that they have made for the country in dealing with a kind of tragic pain that a lot of us just, we always. lot of us just don't know. Most of us have not had family members who have been service members who have died, and so we can't really know what that's like, but we can't pray for them and support them as much as possible. All right, over the weekend, we did have a, we had a fun weekend. Yesterday, we just chilled with our family, had some pool time, ate some good food, and that was

Starting point is 00:03:52 great because the couple days before, my husband and I went to the Indy 500 in Indianapolis, which was so fun. We went with our good ranchers peeps. And they sponsored a car for Team Penske. And this particular car did not win. But another Team Penske car did. So that was fun. We had a big celebration. Met some cool people.

Starting point is 00:04:14 Very thankful to Good Ranchers for inviting my husband and me to go there. Also, like one of the highlights of going to Indianapolis, I've only ever been twice, is the airport. It's a great airport. If you guys follow me on Instagram, you know that I talk a lot about airports and air travel. and my rules for air travel attire and the different airports that are good. Indianapolis, great, great airport. Now, I will say that the food there really at all airports, but I just really noticed it in Indianapolis,

Starting point is 00:04:46 the food in the airport is insanely expensive. Insanely expensive. Like, you could get a plain bagel at this place for however much it was, like $4 or something. And then the little, um, cream cheese that they give you and the little plastic things that a lot of places give you just for free. Two extra dollars. Two extra dollars for the cream cheese. So that's my only complaint, Indianapolis, is that your food there is expensive. More expensive than necessary, more expensive than

Starting point is 00:05:18 usual. But it's a beautiful airport. It's very clean. It's very broad. It's not very crowded, which I appreciate. It reminds me kind of of a bigger Greenville-Spartanburg. That's another great airport. Charlotte, you're awful. Worst airport, probably. Charlotte, Orlando, Atlanta, Miami, you're bad, you're bad. Now, people get offended when I say that about Atlanta. I don't know what to tell you. Hartsfield Jackson, definitely one of the rings of Dante's Inferno. It's just everything that really you don't want in an airport. It's not the worst, though. It's not the worst.

Starting point is 00:06:01 And I had you guys guess what is the worst airport, in my opinion. Only a few of you got it right. Only a few of you who are the most vigilant followers and fans and listeners. And that is Orlando, the least magical place on earth. It's just a bad, it's overcrowded. But Charlotte is right up there. Honestly, it's probably Orlando. then Charlotte, then Atlanta.

Starting point is 00:06:25 But there are a lot of ones I haven't been to. I don't like either of the New York airports. I mean, L.A.X obviously isn't fun either. But I've never been to the Chicago airport. A lot of people also say MSP is like the greatest airport. I don't think I've ever flown into MSP. Dallas Love Field, great airport. These are all arbitrary, by the way.

Starting point is 00:06:48 They're just my personal opinion. Please don't get offended. I doubt any of you were the designer or architect for Harsfield Jackson. And yet some of the messages that I get, it's like I told you that your personal drawing was bad. It's not personal. These are just my opinion. So anyway, Indianapolis, you got a lot going for you. Indy 500, one of them, airport the other.

Starting point is 00:07:14 Indy 500, I didn't know what to expect. I've never been to a race like that. I went to school in South Carolina. I went to a very, very interesting, more NASCAR-y, but like a couple steps down from NASCAR type race when I was in college. Yeah, yeah. I was just to let you like imagine what like small town, South Carolina, like dirt car racing would be like.

Starting point is 00:07:40 That was really the only experience of going to a race like that that I have. I didn't, I had no idea really what the Indy 500 was going to be like. But it was really cool. to like go down to the pit and see all that kind of cool stuff. And so it was great. The people watching phenomenal. I had no idea what to expect. I wore like a sundress, which I thought would be the typical attire for people. Not necessarily. That's what I will say. Not necessarily. There is a very wide range of human beings that go to the Indy 500. And it was great people watching. So thank you, Indianapolis for a great time. There's a lot of nice people there. And yeah, so that was our weekend.

Starting point is 00:08:27 So my husband and I did that for a couple days. It was fun to do that together. And then, like I said, enjoyed yesterday. All right. Just one more bit of encouragement. And then we'll get into our first ad. And then we'll talk about some of these stories. Just to reiterate what I said on Instagram this morning. And sometimes I like to start the week like this and just remind you as things just become overwhelming and it seems like the darkness is winning. Here's what I read and I've read this on the podcast many times before, especially when it feels like we're just going through very tumultuous moments, which seems to be always in our culture. But I read Psalm 62. And what I love about Psalm 62, I really love the whole thing. I love being reminded of God's total sovereignty.

Starting point is 00:09:15 But this is also a good reminder. Psalm 62.11. One. God has spoken, twice have I heard this, that power belongs to God and that to you, O Lord, belongs steadfast love. Twice I have heard this, that power belongs to God. I love that reminder. And as we've gone back to Matthew 28 a few times over the past couple of weeks when Jesus says, go and make disciples of all nations because all authority on heaven or in heaven and on earth has been given to him. Let us remember who is in charge. Let us remember who created

Starting point is 00:09:55 the universe, therefore who is the definer of all things, who is the ultimate ruler of all things. Everything is under him. Let's remember who is in charge. This is our father's world. That's my favorite him because that is a reminder that I need to bring peace to my heart and my nervous system on a daily basis, that God's eternal plan of redemption always is going off without a hitch, that there's nothing that surprises him, there's nothing that throws him off, there's nothing that takes him aback, there's nothing that happens that makes him look down and say, oh my goodness, I didn't see this coming. How am I going to swoop in and clean this up? That's not how he functions. That's not his character. That's not his nature. He exists outside of time. He has

Starting point is 00:10:45 ultimately sovereign over all of it. And even though things happen that we don't understand both in our personal lives and in the political sphere, both in our small communities or in our families, in our homes, or in the world in general, he is on his throne completely immovably. And he will one day take care of evil and wickedness and sorrow and sin that you are personally experiencing, but also that the world in its groaning is also experiencing, and he will rule imperfect peace. And we will have no more worry, we will have no more anxieties, we will have no more burdens, we will have no more temptations. That is the hope that we have. That's what we get to look forward to. And if God is on our side, as the end of Romans 8 lays out so beautifully,

Starting point is 00:11:40 who are we afraid of? That's a paraphrase. Who can be against us? For who can bring any charge against God's elect, what can separate us from the love of Christ. Nothing in him we are more than conquers through Christ Jesus who loves us. I love what William Tendale said. I've also read this quote a few times on this podcast. I don't have it right in front of me, but I think I have it almost verbatim. And that is Christ is with us until the world's end. Let his little flock be bold, therefore. difference does it make? This part is a paraphrase. What difference does it make? Who is against us?

Starting point is 00:12:20 Who is against us if Christ is for us. And again, that's what Jesus tells us in Matthew 28. For behold, I am with you always, even until the end of the age, that should be so empowering and so emboldening that we have the right and the responsibility and even just the presence of the Holy Spirit with us to strengthen us in all things. So let that be the hope that we can. cling to, let that be what drives us forth every second of every day to do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God. All right. Speaking of Christianity and Christ, Christian chicken from Chick-fil-A is disappointing us. It's disappointing us this Tuesday morning. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest

Starting point is 00:13:13 issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we

Starting point is 00:13:42 are or where we're headed, you can watch this Steve Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. You'll join us. Okay, let's talk about Chick-fil-A and the craziness that they're getting into. So, you might have seen this this morning. I saw these posts circulating. This is not originally what I intended to talk about. We're going to talk about the things that I did intend to talk about.

Starting point is 00:14:15 But I wanted to first, I wanted to first address this because I'm seeing a lot of complaints circulating about Chick-fil-A's D-E-I. diversity, equity, and inclusion hire. Here is the statement that you see a lot of Christian conservatives, I think rightly complaining about on social media. Eric McReynolds is the VP of diversity, equity, and inclusion at Chick-fil-A. Chick-fil-A restaurants have long been recognized

Starting point is 00:14:47 as a place where people know they will be treated well. Modeling care for others starts in the restaurant and we are committed to ensuring mutual respect, understanding and dignity everywhere we do business. These tenets are good business practice and crucial to fulfilling our corporate purpose. Now, I don't disagree with any of that. Of course, that has always been Chick-fil-A's motto. That's the difference maker with Chick-fil-A's that you show up there.

Starting point is 00:15:11 You're going to get a smiling face that seems like they really want to be there. They not only want to do their jobs, but they want to do their jobs well. And they go above and beyond what is required of them in a lot of cases to ensure that they are serving their customers well. And in an age when it seems like customer relations, customer service, good attitudes, hard work ethic have all kind of been thrown out the window in favor of just kind of this malaise that has taken over our society, Chick-fil-A still goes above and beyond. That's why people go there, despite saying a couple years ago that they were going to boycott because Chick-fil-A wasn't on board with the pride stuff. Now, you'll remember back in

Starting point is 00:15:54 2012, Chick-fil-A got in hot water because the president of Chick-fil-A, Dan Kathy, this is according to CNN, he sparked reactions that were swift and strong after he weighed in on same-sex marriage by saying his company backs the traditional family unit. Oh! And then they still supported these Christian organizations over the years, like fellowship of Christian athletes, that supported or that still support traditional marriage, biblical marriage. And so even though there has never been any evidence whatsoever of discrimination by Chick-fil-A, even though they have never come out and said really anything clearer than that

Starting point is 00:16:34 about biblical marriage or what they think about gender and so-called sexual orientation and things, simply because they have not been overtly celebratory of pride, and they haven't done all of the virtue signaling that we typically see major corporations do in the way of supporting transgender. and things like that, they have gotten a lot of backlash. You'll remember even like a couple years ago, or maybe it was last year, there was like renewed hate toward them. And every time they try to build a Chick-fil-A, one of these liberal places, even though they do really well, there's some kind of uproar from liberals who pretend like Chick-fil-A is immoral for not celebrating chemically castrating kids. So anyway, I agree with Eric McReynolds' statement here on Chick-fil-A having been recognized as a place that respects people.

Starting point is 00:17:30 Of course. The question is, why does the VP of DEI need to say? What does that have to do with DEI? If we're talking about just treating everyone well and treating everyone equally, well, Chick-fil-A has always done that. They've always gone above and beyond. So why do we need a DEI department saying something like, like this. So here's more from Chick-fil-A's DEI webpage. One of our core values at Chick-fil-A, Inc, is that we are

Starting point is 00:17:58 better together when we combine our unique backgrounds and experiences with the culture of belonging, euphemism after euphemism after euphemism, we can discover new ways to strengthen the quality of care we deliver to customers to the communities we serve and to the world. We understand that getting better at together, better at together, Okay. Means we learn better, care better, grow better, and serve better. Chick-fil-A ink's commitment to being better at together means embedding diversity, equity, and inclusion in everything we do. To achieve this, we focus on ensuring equal access. We intentionally promote equal opportunity through our processes and practices. We strive to provide personalized development and eliminate barriers to opportunities so all can thrive. Valuing differences. Our similarities and differences, strength. than us as we unite around something bigger than ourselves. We seek to understand and honor our unique

Starting point is 00:18:53 experiences and perspectives, creating a culture of belonging. We inspire a community by meeting people where they are. We promote and sustain a culture where all individuals can thrive and contribute to their personal best commitment and action throughout our business, recruiting top tier talent, providing access to education, scholarships for certain employees, engaging through Chick-fil-A community groups. A wide range of community groups are available to staff such as women in business, black employee resource group, young professionals, and the Chick-fil-A green team. All right. So you'll notice that all of that sounds fine and dandy.

Starting point is 00:19:30 You'll find the same kind of statements at Target, by the way. You'll find the same kind of statements at all of these very overtly liberal places who over the years have turned their trickle of progressivism into a full-blown waterfall because this is how it starts. And the strategy of making DEI sound totally innocuous. And like something that any normal, moral, empathetic person would accept and celebrate is very strategic. We're not supposed to read something like this and know exactly what they mean. We're not supposed to understand what the policies will be behind these things. When they talk about equal opportunity. When they talk about creating an environment in which everyone can thrive,

Starting point is 00:20:19 we should just ask ourselves, but what do you mean by that? And are you saying that thus far you have it? Because as far as I know, Chick-fil-A has been for a very long time, in general, I'm sure that there are anomalies here, a really good place for all people of all different backgrounds to work. I know people that have worked, I know people who work at corporate. I know people who work in like the managerial part of different stores. I know people who have just worked there, like in the drive-thru, all different kinds of people who have all loved working for Chick-fil-A. And so if they already had a system in place where they were recruiting top talent, that's obvious, you have to have a good attitude and be a very competent worker to work at any place or any part of Chick-fil-A. And they already

Starting point is 00:21:06 created a place in which people felt included. People felt like they were respected, like their dignity was honored, then what is this about? What are you talking about when you're creating an environment now in which everyone can thrive? What are you talking about when you're talking about these community groups? What are you talking about when you're talking about equal opportunity? Well, if we look at the DEI policies that are implemented by the companies that aren't afraid to just come out in what that means, they mean the kind of so-called anti-racism that has been championed by people like Ibermex Kendi, who famously or infamously said that the remedy for past discrimination is present and future discrimination. What is meant by that is that because black people

Starting point is 00:21:51 and certain kinds of people were once discriminated against in the past, that now we must discriminate against non-black people, white people, in order to try to even the playing field. Now is Chick-fil-A going to start doing the same thing that, say, Target and Starbucks do, which is paying for their employees to receive these kinds of sex switching surgeries and go through these kinds of procedures? I don't see how they stop themselves from doing that. I mean, once you start embracing DEI, under this umbrella is the affirmation of all kinds of secular definitions of sexuality, of morality, of morality, of gender, of social justice, racial justice, identity. All of these things are under diversity, equity, and inclusion.

Starting point is 00:22:43 Remember, the progressive idea of diversity is fewer white people. The progressive definition of equity is discriminating against white people. The progressive definition of inclusion is excluding white people. that's that's what it is and so if you really believe an equal opportunity if you just believe that hey these are the standards that we are setting and um you have to reach these standards to be hired by us as chick flay you don't need a diversity equity and inclusion inclusion bridge like trust me when I say that I mean chick flay being in the south being where it is being headquartered in Atlanta like they do not have a problem meeting racial quotas all right

Starting point is 00:23:29 Like actually in some of these places, you're not going to find a whole lot of, you're not going to find a whole lot of white people just because of the communities where the chick filets are in. So again, I'm asking, why is this necessary unless you are trying to push some kind of very progressive agenda, especially when it comes to so-called LGBTQ? Is this how they are trying to rectify their past quote unquote mistakes? Because when it comes to that, I mean, that is even like a whole whole. whole different ballgame. Are we going to see Chick-fil-A start openly, like Chick-fil-A corporate, openly celebrating pride now? Are they going to be falling prey to this pressure? You'll remember a couple

Starting point is 00:24:12 years ago when there was a renewed uproar about them supporting these Christian organizations that upheld the tenets of biblical marriage, that their sales actually doubled. After people called to boycott them in 2012, their sales actually increased because people love. to support organizations and people that support their values. There's a lot of buying power in the hands of Southern Christian conservatives. Know your audience. And so the question is, as with Target to why? Why is Chick-fil-A doing this? Why are they going in this direction? Which I promise you, unless they stop, unless someone pumps the brakes, I promise you, will go in the direction of complete and total institutional capture.

Starting point is 00:25:00 It will be totally and completely secular progressive at one point. There will be a huge celebration of all so-called gender identities and sexualities and all of that in just a couple years if it keeps going this way. I promise you that. So why? They know their audience. They know where their stores are. What's happening behind the scenes?

Starting point is 00:25:23 Well, it's something that we've talked about several times. times before, and I've just about had it with people who are messaging me, commenting me, being like, why don't you ever talk about why these things are happening? Don't just talk about what's happening at Target and Chick-fil-A. Like, why is it happening? Talk about C-E-I. Talk about DE or talk about ESG. Guys, like, we have talked about that so much on this podcast.

Starting point is 00:25:46 Thanks to brilliant people who have come on the show and explained it to me and kind of peeled back the curtains so we can actually see what's going on. but I really recommend you going and listening to a conversation that I had with James Lindsay a few weeks ago where he talked about why is Bud Light doing this with Dylan Mulvaney? Why are they hoisting of Dylan Mulvaney? When they know that the Southern frat guy, the people who go to NASCAR races, that's their demographic. They don't want to see a guy who thinks he's a girl with his face on a Bud Light can drinking Bud Light in a bathtub. They don't want that. They think, oh, that's gay. I'm not going to be see you with a bud light. By the way, at the Indy 500, you can bring your own drinks in. I did not see a

Starting point is 00:26:29 single bud light in the entire place. And I, again, I think that there's a reason for that. So the question is why? Target, you know that you've got a ton of Christian conservative moms. You know, we're the ones going in there. Buying Magnolia, buying the honest diapers, buying the affordable maternity items and the clothes and things like that, the shoes. And then you've got other companies doing the same thing. It's like, don't you know your customers? Why would you do this? Adidas, why would you put a man with a bulge in a women's bathing suit? It's because they are not beholden to us. It's because they're not beholden to us. Go back and listen to that James Lindsay episode and you can hear him more thoroughly explain it. Maybe we'll have him back on soon so he can explain it

Starting point is 00:27:14 again and talk specifically about Target and Chick-fil-A and things like that. But it's not just the ESG score that we've talked about, the environmental social governance that really comes from the World Economic Forum. Justin Haskins has come on the show several times and explained what that is and how these major global companies like BlackRock, they take large ownership at a lot of these corporations. And basically, I mean, as a shareholder, make these companies abide by the ESG standards, but it's also the CEI standards. And that is, is the corporate equality index that is given by the human rights campaign. And they score these companies based on how quote unquote diverse they are, how many initiatives they are putting

Starting point is 00:28:05 forward to be quote unquote inclusive. Again, that means celebrating LGBTQ. That means fewer straight white males. It's basically what it means. And these companies, because of the power of their shareholders because of these big global corporate investors who own Target and who own some of these other corporations. These companies care more like Target and Bud Light. They care more about their CEI score, about their ESG score, which is always going to be progressive than they do about your or my opinion. They are not beholden to us. They are beholden to their CEI score. They're beholden to their ESG score. There is more power in Black Rock and Vanguard than there is in our hands, at least thus far. And yet, I think that there is an amount of power that we can wield

Starting point is 00:29:09 that can make a difference. I do. Because you're seeing Bud Light take a really big hit, a sustained hit for several weeks that thankfully successfully the boy now i don't drink bud light and i mean i'm pregnant but i still wouldn't but the people who do drink bud light is just like the easy drinking you know beer to have at frat parties or bars or whatever the fact that they have now boycotted and successfully created a stigma to where they're like nope i'm sorry but i i don't want to have the trans beer i you can be offended by that if you want to but that's what's happened that there's such a stigma around it. It's become such a thing both on and offline that they have taken a sustained hit to the point to where I actually do think Bud Light, despite what their shareholders might say,

Starting point is 00:29:59 despite what the Human Rights Council might say, they probably are a little worried right now. They're probably wondering, how are they going to win back these people that we've really pissed off? And I hope that they can't. I hope that they don't. Because so many times, conservative say go woke, go broke, and like, we don't really mean it. Like, there's nothing that's really done about anything. It's like a few people that boycott. But now with Bud Light and then using that momentum to then budd light or to then, uh, divest from Target, I do think that it can absolutely make a difference. I mean, here's something that I read from, uh, about Target. The Target loses has lost $10 billion. Probably more now. This is a little old over pride themed kids

Starting point is 00:30:44 clothing. So they have obviously taken a hit and they've had to say, oh, you know, we're moving our pride sections to the back or we're diminishing our pride sections. And now they've said it's for the safety of their employees. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what they're saying. They're saying that there have been threats and things like that and that this is just up, it's the result of extremism. And then you've got people on the lap saying, oh, poor target, blah, blah, blah. Okay. Have you, do you remember? at all the videos of the looting of targets during the George Floyd riots? Like, do you remember everything that happened? If we have some pictures or some silent footage,

Starting point is 00:31:26 maybe we can put it up on YouTube. But do you remember how those stores were absolutely ransacked by rioters after George Floyd in the summer of 2020 and onward? And I didn't see any statement from Target saying we denounce this. I didn't see any statement from Target internal or external saying, wow, we really care about the safety and the well-being of our employees. And this is not right. We shouldn't have this kind of violence. Ransacking to Target isn't going to do anything about allegations of police brutality or bring George Floyd back or anything like that. And the left wasn't freaking out about it. They weren't saying, oh, poor Target, poor Target employees.

Starting point is 00:32:10 No, they were saying targets. Places like Target have insurance. Who cares about those big corporations? But now the big corporation is the victim because people are mad that they're selling compression tops and talking bathing suits and trans onesies and are partnering with open sateness. Yeah, I don't buy it. I don't buy it. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:32:35 The duplicity here is just a little bit, uh, a little bit, uh, a little bit. little bit much for me. But I do think that the boycott of Target, starting now, at least through the month of June, and I know people are mad at me about that saying that's a weak stance, as a week stance. Look, I know my audience, okay? And you don't, you don't, you don't know. I promise you that me encouraging the people who listen to this to at least do the month of June is more effective than everyone's saying boycott forever. I'm not saying it's wrong to say boycott forever because I am also saying that. If you can boycott forever, boycott forever. I have. You can. Everyone can. I know. But for some people, for the people who just think that that,

Starting point is 00:33:20 they can't do that, just saying the month of June, that's better than nothing, right? It's better than nothing. So it's okay if people just commit to the month of June. And then as I said, see how long you can go after that. Take it a week at a time. I promise you you can do it forever, but at least commit to the month of June and make them feel it. Because yes, shareholders, CEI, ESG, DEI, they all hold a lot of power, but we still do have some power. And if you go to public square.com, if you download the Public Square app, spell PublicSQ, you can find all kinds of alternative companies that you can use for diapers, for household items, for clothes. and things like that, that at least for a month, can help you not shop a Target. You realize how much you don't even need.

Starting point is 00:34:12 And I don't know if we're going to have to do the same thing for Chick-fil-A. I hope not. I love Chick-fil-A. I love it. I love their food. I love the people that work there. But look, we have a ton of power when it comes to Chick-fil-A. I don't think they're quite as beholden to the corporate overlords yet.

Starting point is 00:34:31 I don't think that they are all in on the DEI LGBTQ stuff yet. I think that we still can raise a respectful ruckus when it comes to any Chick-fil-A policy that we see and I still think that we as Christian women hold almost all the power when it comes to Chick-fil-A. And just a reminder about what DEI I is. This is according to the Heritage Foundation, justice with the Black Lives Matter movement, left is hide behind the simple nature of the words diversity, equity, and inclusion. In reality,

Starting point is 00:35:13 each of these words means the opposite of what we think. And best diversity has come to mean identity-based approach to society and racial quotas. At worst, it is a rigid enforcement of leftist orthodoxy. So it's basically hiring based on someone's skin color saying, okay, we need 10 black people and seven white people and six Asian people and seven Hispanic people, we got to meet these quotas. And if that means that we need to lower the standards of hiring to meet those quotas for certain people, then that's what we're going to do. That's what we're seeing across the board.

Starting point is 00:35:42 That's what we're seeing when it comes to college admissions and have for a long time. This is what we're seeing when it comes to medical school. That's what we're seeing when it comes to so-called criminal justice, making sure that there are fewer black people arrested no matter what crimes are committed. so it has terrible, terrible implications. And it's also, as my friend Daryl Harrison said, committing the sin of partiality. And for a company that claims in its statement to want to glorify God by being a faithful steward of all that is entrusted to them, committing the sin of partiality. So hiring someone or giving privileges or special access to someone based on their skin

Starting point is 00:36:18 color is actually a sin. It is a sin according to God who says over and over again in scripture that he hates partiality. James, the book of James, I believe it's James 3 at the end of James 3, he talks about the sin of partiality. God says when he's giving his laws to Israel, do not defer to the poor or to the great in a lawsuit, but in truth, judge your neighbor. God hates partiality, whether you are being partial to the white person, to the black person, or whatever. And then Heritage goes on to explain that inclusion is a call for language codes because it demands that people only use inclusive language. is defined by the left. So using quote unquote preferred pronouns, I guarantee you that's part of what

Starting point is 00:37:02 they mean, what Chick-fil-A means when they are talking about, when they are talking about creating an environment in which everyone can thrive. I guarantee part of it is going to be policing language and requiring employees, managers, to use the pronouns that someone says that they have, even if it doesn't correspond with biological sex, which of course is committing another sin because you are forced seeing people to lie. I don't know if that's where they're going, but again, that is the clear implication from the policies that are set forth. And then equity, perhaps the worst distortion of the three has come to mean that the government must treat people differently because of their race country of origin or other immutable characteristics, the goals to guarantee inequality of outcomes,

Starting point is 00:37:48 which used to be the Marxist goal, not the American one. And so, and this, of course, is what we've seen again across the board when it comes to corporate America. So Chick-fil-A, what's you going to do? All right. So I want to talk a little bit more about this Chloe Kardashian story. She said on a recent episode of Keeping Up with the Kardashians, is that still what it's called? I think it's still called Keeping Up with the Kardashians. It's just called the Kardashians now. I do not, I did not realize that. But you've probably seen this clip circulating where she's talking about using surrogacy for her last child for her son and how that's created a big disconnect between her and her child. So here she is.

Starting point is 00:38:47 Do you feel less connected? Mm-hmm. That'll take a minute. Yeah, people say. I mean, listen, the other was 10 months of walking around. Herz was like, easy. This is not easy. I felt really guilty that like this woman just had my baby and you're just, I take the baby. and then I go to another room and you're sort of separated.

Starting point is 00:39:07 Like I felt it's such a transactional experience. You know, I really appreciate her honesty when it comes to this. Most people will not be honest. Now, I've seen a lot of Christians, a lot of conservative commentators comment on this. And I praise God for that because that, this conversation about surrogacy and about the questionable ethics of surrogacy was not happening.

Starting point is 00:39:33 It was not happening a couple of years. years ago. And I know this because I talked to, I think it was the beginning of 2021, I think, when I first talked to Jennifer Law, who has been studying the bioethics of surrogacy talking about it and of the reproductive industry, IVF, all of that, for a very long time, for decades at this point. And I don't know where I found her. I think I saw her first maybe on Twitter. And so I had her on at the beginning of January. It was so fascinating to you guys talking about the ethics of IVF and so-called sperm donation and egg donation, which is really sperm selling and egg selling. It was so fascinating to y'all that I had to have her back on like immediately because y'all

Starting point is 00:40:16 were demanding a part two. And those are still some of my two most popular episodes ever. I've had her on to talk about other things since then. And so I certainly cannot take credit for being the first one to talk about it. she and then also the founder of them before us, Katie Faust have been talking about these things for a long time. But I will say that when I had Jennifer Law on, which unfortunately a lot of people didn't know who she was at the time, even though she's been such a loud voice and a hard worker on this for so long, I got a lot of negative feedback. I mean, a lot of positive too, because again, you guys were asking me, wait, can she come back on and explain this? What about this?

Starting point is 00:40:57 what about this? But I got a lot of negative messages, a lot of shock. Even from fellow conservative Christians who thankfully are now talking about this, are like, wait, wait, wait. Are you saying that you're against surrogacy even when people have a hard time having a baby? Okay, what about what's this about IVF? And we had actually done an episode on IVF and surrogacy before all of this. I did it in, I don't know, the spring of 2020.

Starting point is 00:41:24 I did an episode just by myself on surrogacy and IVF and things like that. But I've been educated a lot even since then because of Jennifer Law and Katie Faust and some other people. But we did an episode on this in 2020. And I got a lot of negative feedback, a lot of positive, but a lot of negative from people saying, oh my gosh, I can't believe either, A, I can't believe you're touching that. I can't believe you're talking about birth control and things like that. There are bigger fish to fry. Shouldn't we just be focusing on abortion?

Starting point is 00:41:52 and hey, if we're pro-life, like, shouldn't we just be happy if babies are born, no matter how they're born? And then, of course, a lot of messages from people personally offended because they used a surrogate or they used IVF or something like that. Of course, it's never my intention to hurt people's feelings when it comes to those things, but need to talk about some questions and ethics surrounding it. But now I think there's been a shift. I don't know for what reason. if it's just the efforts of the people that I've listed, or if it's just like a change or people just started thinking about it. Of course, I hope that by the grace of God, also this podcast and having those very brilliant women on have helped that it helps spur the conversation,

Starting point is 00:42:34 that it's kind of taken like the fear away so that other conservative commentators are willing to be like, hold up for a second. Just because we're pro-life doesn't mean that we have no questions about conception and gestation because we absolutely should. Because being pro-life, What is the basis of being pro-life? It is caring about the dignity and the rights of the child inside the womb. Well, that's not just about not being aborted. It also means caring about if that child has a right to a mom and a dad, which they do. It also means that we care about the circumstances surrounding conception.

Starting point is 00:43:13 It means that we care about the risks and the benefits of pregnancy and gestation. And look, if you're looking at the surrogacy industry, Chloe highlights some really important points, even as someone who used surrogacy, is that you are taking this child away. You're taking this child away from the woman who carried them. And there is a bond that is created in that time. There is a physiological, inexplicable in some ways, connection between the woman that is carrying the child and the child. and the child. Of course, that woman has the maturity to say, well, you know, this is not my child to continue to try to fight against that biologically just like innate bond that is being created.

Starting point is 00:44:03 She can try to constantly convince herself, no, this is not my child and I'm not supposed to bond with it. I'm not supposed to be attached to it, but that baby can't. I mean, that is the only home that that baby has ever known, that only heartbeat that he has ever heard. the smell, the feeling, just the in a sense of belonging that that baby has, all of that really matters, not just through pregnancy, but also at birth. Like we understand, as Katie Fouse has pointed out before, that there is a primal wound that occurs in adoption, even though adoption, I think is beautiful, a wonderful option, beautifully redemptive that we should be very supportive of. There is still a wound, a detachment that happens. When that mother

Starting point is 00:44:47 gives up her child for adoption and hands that child over to other parents. Again, a wonderful, beautifully redemptive process that I'm very thankful for. But that is still a separation from or a step away from the ideal, which of course is that a child gets to stay with a loving biological mother and father. Adoption is the next best thing, but the ideal, of course, is for every child to stay, with a loving, supportive, biological, married mom and dad. And so when we step away from that original design, original intent, even through something as wonderful as adoption, there is a wound that happens there.

Starting point is 00:45:33 There is a physiological, emotional, mental thing that happens when that child is instead of being put on the chest of his mother, the only woman that he's ever known, is given to strangers, there is a primal wound that occurs there, that sometimes has great consequences in that child's life forever. Sometimes it has minimal consequences. It just kind of depends on the circumstance and depends on the level of impact. It also has an impact on the mother, whether that's a mother who is giving her child up for adoption, whether that is the surrogate, there is a separation. There's a step

Starting point is 00:46:10 away from God's original, intentional design that is going to cause some level of brokenness. Now, we live in a fallen world and brokenness is inevitable. And so when brokenness happens because of adoption, which again is redemptive, then that's something that can really be healed. But when it happens through something like surrogacy, when it is simply people saying, I am going to create a child knowing that I cannot give them the best situation for their development. Creating a child saying, I am going to purposely and intentionally conceive them in order to take them away from the woman who gestated them. That is adults putting their desires above a child's right and well-being.

Starting point is 00:47:10 And it's one thing when you have something like Chloe and the guy who fathers her children, I think it's Tristan, where you still have the biological mom and dad. You still have the biological sperm and egg that's implanted in the woman's in the surrogate's uterus. Okay, that's one thing. But in a lot of these cases, for example, if you've got two men, they're buying the eggs from one woman. And then they're fertilizing with one of their sperm. and then typically there's a eugenics process in there when they're picking the best embryo. They're picking the sex of the baby.

Starting point is 00:47:45 They're picking the strongest embryo, making sure, of course, that the embryo doesn't have down syndrome or doesn't have any those kind of anomalies or disabilities. They choose the strongest embryo that is the sex that they want. They implant those in the surrogate. That's a whole medical process for the surrogate. They're renting the womb of this other woman. who again is not the egg seller, and then they are taking that child away upon birth

Starting point is 00:48:13 from the biological mother and from the gestator, and then removing the opportunity for that child to ever have the loving touch of their mother. I don't know many things more cruel than that, more wicked than that. To just assume that men and women are arbitrary, that there's nothing unique that a mother brings to the table I mean, we allow puppies to be with their mothers for longer than we allow babies to be with their

Starting point is 00:48:45 mothers or with their gestators after they're born when it comes to surrogacy. So we understand that need for connection and bond, at least for a few weeks when it comes to dogs, but not when it comes to people. Why? Because adults whims and their desires to become parents apparently outweigh in our society the well-being and the rights of children. I mean, When it comes to two women, you are still, you're buying the sperm from a biological dad, and then you are not allowing for the child to ever have a father. Kids need a mom and a dad because men and women aren't the same. Moms and dads aren't the same.

Starting point is 00:49:22 We bring different things to the table. There's different bonds that are created there. There are different characteristics that we offer. There's a different balance, a different dynamic that comes from God's good and wonderful and beautiful design that we see all the way back in the first chapter of, the first book of the Bible. He created us male and female. He created marriage in that way. He created the family in that way, not arbitrarily, but because we have different innate characteristics and because he loves us. Because marriage and family between a man and a woman is the safest place for a

Starting point is 00:49:59 child to be in general. That doesn't mean that there aren't bad biological parents out there. It's not what I'm saying. Again, we live in a broken and fallen world. But a child absolutely should be given every opportunity to have a mom and a dad, preferably biological mom and dad, although, of course, again, that's not always possible. Surrogacy disrupts this natural process. It puts the child and the woman, by the way, and the surrogate. Like there are really, really grave risks to surrogacy. It's not like a normal pregnancy because it's not your, it's not your biology. Like your body didn't create this.

Starting point is 00:50:39 You have to go through all of these hormonal and medical steps to even be able to carry a child that was not conceived inside you. So there's great risk to the surrogate's body as well as well as the egg donor's body. Like there's a lot that's going on here. And in the name of, well, we should just allow adults to be parents no matter what we're putting so many people at risk. And a lot of times these egg donors and these surrogates, they're in a financial bind. and so they feel pressure to take these opportunities. Some of these contracts when it comes to surrogacy include in there that, hey, if we want you to have an abortion, you have to have an abortion. So all these people are my body, my choice.

Starting point is 00:51:23 But then when it comes to surrogacy, they think, hmm, yeah, I guess I could force another woman to have an abortion if I want her. two. So all of a sudden, you don't have rights to your own body. Of course, pro choicers don't believe that babies have a right to their own body. They already believe that babies should be murdered. So like this is really, it's not that different than human trafficking. The surrogacy industry is not that different than human trafficking. If it is at all. Sure, you're getting paid. Sure. There's technically consent. Yeah, there's technically consent in a lot of these cases where these young girls are actually being trafficked, but they're doing it because they need it. They need the provision. They need the so-called protection that they think that they're

Starting point is 00:52:12 getting from these men. And the same thing happens in surrogacy. It is a form of trafficking. And I'm glad that Chloe is talking about it. I'm glad that she's saying, yeah, this is transactional. I'm glad that she's saying that she doesn't have the connection with her son, which is really, really sad. It's a consequence of all of this. Her poor son, because this is how she wanted to have her child. What do we always say is that when technology takes us from what is natural to what is possible, we have a lot of questions to ask. And you should not feel guilty about asking those questions. Now, all children created via surrogacy, created via IVF, created via all these technologies are made in the image of God. They're just as valuable as any other child. They're beautiful. And if you had a

Starting point is 00:52:59 child via IVF or surrogacy or whatever. I am not saying that you are a bad parent or that you don't love your kids or that your kids aren't going to thrive and do very well. That's not what I'm saying. Please don't mishear me or misunderstand me or intentionally misrepresent me. We just have some questions to ask, especially as Christians, especially as pro-lifers, people who want to speak up for the voiceless. Babies of surrogacy are voiceless. Babies of these reproductive technologies, babies who are taken away, intentionally created to be taken away from a mother or father, they're voiceless. We should be speaking up for them too. So anyway, I do hope and pray, though, that Chloe and her son, that they bond, that that connection is able to be established.

Starting point is 00:53:47 I really hope that she starts to think about this, too. And it's okay for us to think about it. This is not forbidden territory for us. it should be a territory that we run into very bravely. And I just want to thank everyone who was doing that long before me. And also think all the conservative Christians who now, some who sent me really mean messages a couple of years ago, but who now we're talking about this. I really, I'm thankful for that. And maybe we can turn the tide on this. There needs to be legislation put in place protecting kids too, especially when it comes to commercial surrogacy. If you've got questions about that, like, well, what about in this situation? What about in this

Starting point is 00:54:25 situation, go back and listen to some of those episodes that we have, that we've talked about before. Oh, we had a lot more to talk about today. But as you can tell, we're already running up on an hour. We'll probably be a little bit over an hour. But I wasn't expecting to talk about all the Chick-fil-A stuff. And then that happened. So we had to discuss it. We had more like a conception related stuff, more dystopian reproduction things to talk about. And we'll just have to talk about that, I don't know, sometime this week. Let me know other things that you would like us to talk about. Let's see.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 813 | Is Chick-fil-A Moving Left? & Khloe Kardashian’s Surrogacy Confession

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