Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 826 | Lost Submarine, Depressed Teens & Two-Tiered Justice

Episode Date: June 21, 2023

Today the team is going through some news of the day, along with a slightly discouraging study on teen depression. First, we discuss the news stories we haven't been paying much attention to – what's going on with Trump's indictments, and why do we continue to hear new things about Hunter Biden's laptop? We explain why it's been difficult to catch up. Then, a tourist submarine touring the Titanic remains has gone missing, and the search is still on. We discuss this terrifying scenario and look at some of the weird details that have been revealed. We also discuss a study on teen depression and ask the question: Why do teens seem to be more depressed now than ever? --- Timecodes: (00:38) Intro (02:35) What's going on with Donald Trump and Hunter Biden? (06:58) Titanic submarine (17:20) Teen depression chart --- Today's Sponsors: A'Del — go to adelnaturalcosmetics.com and enter promo code "ALLIE" for 25% off your first order! Good Ranchers — get $30 OFF your box today at GoodRanchers.com – make sure to use code 'ALLIE' when you subscribe. You'll also lock in your price for two full years with a subscription to Good Ranchers! Pre-Born — will you help rescue babies' lives? Donate by calling #250 & say keyword 'BABY' or go to Preborn.com/ALLIE. Help us reach Blaze's goal of 70,000 ultrasounds in 2023! CrowdHealth — get your first 6 months for just $99/month. Use promo code 'ALLIE' when you sign up at JoinCrowdHealth.com. --- Links: Dr. Brad Wilcox's tweet: https://twitter.com/BradWilcoxIFS/status/1671395936390508545?s=20 Independent: "Missing Titanic sub search widens as mystery ‘banging’ sounds reported for second day – live" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/submarine-titantic-missing-submersible-tourists-latest-b2360568.html --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 656 | The ‘Family Diversity’ Myth | Guest: Dr. Brad Wilcox https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-656-the-family-diversity-myth-guest-dr-brad-wilcox/id1359249098?i=1000575407311 --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. A submarine set out to explore the remains of the Titanic and now it is lost. Also, teens are reporting that they are more depressed than they've ever been. And what is going on with Donald Trump and Hunter Biden? well, we don't know.

This episode of Relatable is brought to you by our friends at GoodRanchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use code Alley and check out that's Good Rangers.com. Code Alley. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. Hope everyone's having a wonderful week. So we've got something a little bit different for you today

because we originally planned to have Dr. Voddy Fokkaman. He's been on my show several times. He's got a new curriculum out based on his book Fault Lines, helping churches work through the deceitful progressive ideology that is social justice. What does the Bible really say about race, ethnicity, justice, reconciliation? So we were going to have him on to talk about that. But then an emergency happened. And unfortunately, we had to stop our conversation.

And we're going to have to reschedule him and have him back on. I know you guys love him a lot and always love when I have him on. so we will reschedule that as soon as possible. So because we weren't able to finish that conversation, we kind of had to figure out what we were going to talk about today. So I had to recruit the help of Bree, producer Bree, and also Victoria. Victoria is very fortunate that she just happened to be in the studio today because she loves being on camera. She's always asking me if she can guest host the show.

And I'm like, oh, Victoria, maybe, maybe. maybe one day. No, I'm just kidding. They were kind of reluctant, but they are helping. They're helping with the show. So I don't really know exactly what we're going to talk about at the beginning. We are going to get to this crazy ACLU story that I wanted to get to yesterday and didn't have time, didn't have time for. So I just kind of want to riff on a couple things, because we were talking about before the episode started, the things that we have not been paying attention to going on in the news that no one in the relatable audience has even asked me to pay attention to, but I know it's important. I'm just going to be really honest. And this is not a great thing to say

as a conservative commentator. But I am not up to date on what's happening with Donald Trump right now. Are you guys up to date on what's going on with Donald Trump? No. Like not at all, which is so, it's, I mean, it's supposedly sad. It's not good. I heard just the other day when he, he got indicted again, someone gasped and told me that. And I was like, is that even surprising at this point? I know. That's, that's what it is. It's not surprising. Yeah. I wouldn't gasp at that. Yeah. But I've, okay, I felt better because I heard Glenn say this morning that he doesn't even really know what to make of all of this. And he has people that he respects, conservatives that he respects on both sides of the indictment. Some saying, I guess, it's justified and some saying it's totally not or some saying that Trump is going to win.

Some saying that he's totally going to lose whatever. I don't even know. But that makes me feel better that there are people on both sides of this story. And I'm just going to be perfectly honest. For me, it's a little bit like Russia gate, which I knew was a witch hunt and all of that. But I didn't know the minutia. I didn't know the details. And I kind of told myself, all right, when it's all said and done, when the.

Mueller report comes out, then we'll talk about it and we'll figure out what's really going on. And what was the other one that we said? Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden. What's going on? I mean, more laptop stuff? I don't know. I can't even really wrap my head around the whole laptop thing.

I can't stop hearing about it. And I know it's important. But it's just a lot. I hear that word a lot. Yes. So I don't know. Maybe someone can break it down. Yeah, I'm not trying to be.

I don't want anyone to interpret this as flippancy. Like we don't care or we don't think it's important or we don't think it's consequential. I definitely see how a two-tier justice system is consequential that if you are on the progressive side, you get insulated. And if you are not on the progressive side, then you get targeted. Obviously, that's very important. So these stories absolutely have meaning for all of us. It's just that it's such one thing after another that it's hard to keep up.

up with and usually like I can tell what you guys want me to talk about based on the things that you send me based on my Instagram DMs mostly sometimes my YouTube comments but my Instagram DMs people will say have you seen this can you talk about this I have not gotten one message one email I don't think one comment or tweet saying hey Ali like why haven't you talked about these stories will you please get into Donald Trump and all this stuff I I haven't I haven't gotten anything in my audience of people curious about that so I'm guessing that a lot of people listening feel the same way I do and they're still more interested in the stories that we've been talking about. Hey, this is Steve Day.

If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers.

wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Also, no one has asked me about this, but I kind of wanted to talk about it because it's so crazy.

Another thing that I don't know that much about, but it's insane, is the submarine thing. Yeah. Is that funny, Bree? No. Is that funny to you? I'm laughing because I was telling you before that I didn't, I hadn't read about the story at all. I just looked up at like a news screen and saw that it was something about a submarine exploring the Titanic remains. And I thought that the new story was people were looking at the Titanic remains.

I didn't know something had actually happened. Yeah. And so all day yesterday. Oh my. You thought people were like, oh my. The Titanic. It was on the news all day. And I was like, that can't be the biggest news story of today.

But you were just like, I do this too sometimes where I see a headline. And I'm like, that does not sound right. And then I just don't look at it. I didn't even look it up. I was like, that doesn't, yeah. So I didn't know all day yesterday. I was curious why that was the biggest news story. But okay, let me read a little bit about it just in case some people don't know.

Because this sounds like a night. Mare, a nightmare. So this is from the independent. Banging herd in search for missing Titanic tourist submarine with less than 24 hours of oxygen left. Nightmare. Nightmare headline. So this is Ocean Gate Expeditions. This is a submarine that I guess is a tourist submarine that went to go look at the remains of the Titanic, which are pretty close to America, which I didn't realize.

So this is what the independent says. There are now less than 24 hours of oxygen left in the missing Titan submersible. That's what they call it. Submersible submarine as rescue efforts continue for the five divers. There are five divers in this little capsule type thing and we'll put up a picture of it. A Canadian aircraft searching for the sub in the Atlantic Ocean detected intermittent, intermittent banging noises from the vicinity of its last known location. I don't understand that.

So if you hear banging noises and you're like, and you're in the, I don't under, can you not follow it? Can you not go there and just be like, okay, we're going to get them out? The crew searching for the missing sub heard banging sounds every 30 minutes on Tuesday. And again, four hours later after additional sonar devices. Sonar. Is it sonar? Sonar. Sonar.

I think I said sonar. Sonar devices were deployed. However, rear admiral John Mogger of the U.S. Coast Guard, who is leading the search, said that we don't know the source of the noise. I just feel like you should go see that you should go investigate. So, okay, CEO and founder of Ocean Gate Expedition Stockton Rush, British billionaire explorer Hamish Harding, renowned French diver, Paul Henri Nargolet and Pakistani businessman Shazada. Daywood and his 19-year-old son, Suleiman Daywood, are on the Ocean Gate Expeditions

Submarine Titan. So the watercraft submerged on Sunday morning from its support vessel to travel to the Titanic wreckage, which sits at a depth of 12,500 feet. About an hour and 45 minutes later, the Titan lost contact with its mother ship. The polar prince, authority said.

The Titan is equipped with a four-day emergency oxygen supply. It is estimated that the five missing passengers have less than 24 hours of oxygen supply left in the vessel. Oh my goodness. I still don't understand with all of the technology that we have today. I mean, literally, like, Xi Jinping personally probably knows exactly what we are doing at every minute of every day.

Yeah. And we can, we don't have the technology to be able to find these people. How are they even going to the bathroom? That's a good question. A nightmare in itself. And you can't open it. I think that I would take the risk and open the submarine. Well, okay.

Well, that's a hot take, that is a hot take. I mean, okay, if you're running out of oxygen, either way. Well, the problem is the pressure where they're at in the ocean. I was reading something where if like even like one of the windows or like some sort of like pressure valve snapped within the submarine, like they would just be. crushed instantly. I don't know the science behind it. So you can fact check that, I guess. But yeah, I think opening anything at that depth is not possible, which is why I just read this, only like 3% of the ocean has been even explored. The ocean terrifies me. Ocean is terrifying. It's terrifying. Why do you, I don't know why people want to go to space or

go into the ocean. There's a reason like, okay, there's a reason why God made us have to stay on earth and created gravity. He's like I literally created a force to keep your feet on the ground. Why are you trying? I didn't give you gills. I didn't give you the ability to go to Mars. I put you on earth. Why do people do this? This is going to be like someone's going to clip this and they're going to do the same thing that they did with the dinosaur episode. Which people are still mad about. hell well be mad okay did you also know the missing titan submarine has one button this is according to twitter is maneuvered using a fake nintendo controller and was built with bits ordered off the internet and from camper world two and a half miles under the sea i don't know what that means but they

someone posted a picture of apparently like the knockoff nintendo controller that's used to like navigate or to help the submarine navigate. Okay, this is according to complex, which is actually an outlet. The missing Titanic submarine was reportedly piloted by a Logitech controller and previously got lost during a live TV segment promoting the voyage. Okay.

What? It just gets worse and worse for them. It really does. I also, I'm reading now, again, this is just reading for the first time, the CEO of Ocean Gate, which is operating the Titanic Tour submarine. explains that the company didn't want to hire any experienced 50-year-old white guys because they weren't inspirational.

Yes, I saw that too. I saw that too. There's a video going around that Ian Miles Chong shared and someone else is in it. I don't know who's in the video actually hosting the video. But yeah, apparently, you know, they didn't want to hire the 50-year-old white guys. And I'm not saying that that's why this happened. Right. But it's just another example of like priorities.

like just hire the people that can do a good job and they obviously didn't. Yeah, the keyword is experienced. Yeah, right. Crazy. Crazy. Well, I guess we should be, I mean, we should be praying for them. Let's see when that independent article was published. So that was published only 30 minutes ago.

So apparently they still have 24 hours left of oxygen. Still don't know where they are like going to the bathroom, how they're even functioning. I mean, there must be absolutely. terrified. This has got to be one of the worst ways to die, right? I think so. Just knowing that there's a ticking time bomb. Yeah. And did they have food? Did they have enough water? Surely you're prepared for this, right? It doesn't sound like it. Yeah, that's the thing. I'm like, based on what I'm hearing about this company, I feel like they wouldn't be prepared for something like this. It sounds like they thought it would just be like such a quick and easy trip.

and that they're just, they weren't worried about, obviously, giving a Nintendo controller. Yeah. Worst fear unlocked. Worst fear unlocked. I don't, just, FYI, I don't want to go see the Titanic. I love the movie. I don't want to go see the actual. Such a drag, though.

It's like four hours long. Yeah, I liked it, though. It's a classic. Four hours of misery. Oh, my gosh, you don't think it's good? Well, the first part isn't misery, really. It's really good, but it just, it's, it's, it's, takes so long. There's like two hours of them dying. Yeah. And you've seen people debate like there was room

on the door. There was. There was room. There was room. There was no reason for that. It's an age old debate. But really, really good acting now. Really good acting. Like when Kate Winslet is like, doesn't have a voice. She can't even say Jack because it's so cold out there. And then she whistles. That's good. It's a great movie. I love sad movies though. I love sad long movies. I could... Sad long movies. I do. I do. I love Meet Joe Black. That's another sad long movie. I love Gone with the Wind, which is a sad long movie. It's a good one though. Okay, so I just wanted to note this chart that I saw tweeted by Brad Wilcox. And we've had Dr. Wilcox on the show before. And, um, He is, oh, I thought I had it right in front of me. Let me pull it up.

So he works at the University of Virginia. He is a professor and the director of the National Marriage Project at UVA. We've had him on to talk about the dangers of the family diversity theory. His studies that he has done and that he has been analyzing for the past several years, just proof over and over again that kids do best with. their mom and their dad, not just any two, anyone, or any three adults. He talks a lot about the family. He talks a lot about different trends, especially when it comes to children. And he posted, he posted a study. The source is monitoring the future analyzed by Gene Twinge. And this is

data that goes from 91 to 2023. We'll put it up if you're watching on YouTube. And it's depressive symptoms in U.S. 8th, 10th, and 12th graders. Depressive symptoms in U.S. 8, 10th, and 12th graders. And so they were asked to answer these three questions. And I guess see how much they agreed with these statements. And one is, I can't do anything right. Two, my life is not useful. Three, I do not enjoy life.

So if you look all the way back at 1991, the kids, these ages, saying these things, it was low. I mean, it was still kind of high. It was anywhere from 20 to 25 percent of kids were saying that they felt this way. And then it actually dipped really low. Like when we were in high school, there were very few people saying, I don't enjoy life. My life is not useful. I can't do anything right. Or at least when I was in high school.

I guess I'm a little bit older than y'all. So that actually dipped in like 2010. And let me just pause and say, I do feel like that was the golden era of America. I think from like 2005 to 2010, we were rocking with it. Like things were going well. Like the movies were good. The music was good. We felt like we were past all of like, you know, no one really cared about race.

No one cared about a lot of this divisive political stuff. And things like things are. going well. I don't remember thinking about politics in this divisive stuff when I was in middle school and high school. Do y'all? No. I've had to ask my parents if, because now I'm an adult, then then I wasn't, if it was like this then. And I think social media has made it worse with that being more prominent. But I mean, my parents were like, no, it was not like this. And that's another thing is that we didn't have social media. But there was no pressure to be an activist, either to put your pronouns in your profile or are you for this? Are you against this? Do you have

a stance on this? I mean, the Obama election was when I was a junior or senior, junior. And so I remember that. But I also went to like a conservative Christian school. So most people were on the same page. But still, it just, they like weren't really topics of conversation. I also think, because if you look at the 90s, it was a little bit higher that these kids were, like had depressive symptoms, eighth, tenth, and twelfth graders. I think it's because of nirvana and third. I think it's because of the music that they were listening to. Like, okay, we got Nelly in high school. They got, you know, we had grunge. What? Paramore. That's. That's true. We did, okay, I actually did listen to depressing music in high school.

Goth forever in middle school. That's, you know what? That's so true. Dashboard confessional. You can't be happy and listen to secondhand serenade. No, with a lot of eyeliner too. Eyeliner. Oh, yeah.

Well, I dyed my hair black. Me too. The emo face. Your hair is almost. Well, my hair used to not be, though. And so I went like jet black. Jet black. Jet black. Box dye?

Yeah. Like, you did it yourself at home? One time I did, yes. And I had a pink streak. Oh, nice. It was the vibe. Did you dye your hair in high school? Yeah.

I did black. I did red. Of course. Wow. Yeah. I went through the boxes. Through the box. Terrible.

Terrible for our brains. Terrible for our health, our hair. Oh my gosh. So anyway, like these were the biggest things that a lot of us were dealing with. Not that people didn't go through really hard times in high school and things like that. But as far as like, world problems. We were mostly, I think, focused on our lives and what was going on. And social media puts this unrealistic pressure on people, not just to be perfect, not just the

comparison thing, not just the feelings of exclusion, which are natural to adolescence and then exacerbated times 10 when you have social media. But also, we didn't carry the weight of news on our shoulders, like the weight of elections. We knew that no one cared what we thought about those things. And we didn't want to like bring them forth. So anyway, I wonder if that is part of reason like for the dip in depressive symptoms when I was in high school. I don't know. But the important part is to note that it skyrocketed from about 2008, it looks like it hit a low to 2023 and certainly has increased a lot since 91 when they first started gathering this data. Now, 49.5% of 8th, 10th and 12th graders think that they can't do anything right? 10th and

and 48.9% say I do not enjoy life. How 50% I do not enjoy life. And then 44% say that my life is not useful. I mean, there's so much behind that. It has to be, I mean, there's got to be several factors. Obviously parenting family, the disintegration of the family. Parents, I think being busier to busy to parent their kids, to invest in their kids, to discipline their kids. I think that parents also allow their kids, especially up until now to be on social media, to be on TikTok. That's bad for your brain. I was reading yesterday, ironically on Instagram, that like the dopamine that is released by the videos that we watch on TikTok and stuff, I forget the terminology that they used, but basically it sets you up to be tired and lazy for the rest of the day. And that makes sense. And if you're

tired and lazy and feeling purposeless because I know how I feel. When I spend, say I'm supposed to be doing something and then I end up spending 30 minutes to an hour just scrolling on Instagram instead of doing something that I needed to do, I feel awful after that. I feel like I'm like, I'm a loser for just doing that. I can't believe it. And I'm mad at myself and you feel totally unproductive and useless and like a waste of space because you've just wasted this precious time.

And I don't even know if people. always have those conscious thoughts when they're doing it, but I do think that that has an effect on how you feel about yourself, constantly spending time on social media. I don't know. I think that's part of it. What do you all think? It's like a social media hangover. If I'm on Instagram or TikTok for too long, I start to just feel icky and anxious afterwards. And I'm like, what's wrong with me? And then sometimes I'll even go back to Instagram because I'm like, oh, I don't like how that feels. And then I do it again. Yes. And then I just feel like crap the rest of the day. Yeah. I do that.

I do that too. I like don't like how I feel when I get off of Instagram and to get rid of that bad feeling. You don't even realize that you do it sometimes. You just like open up the app. That's bad. It's addictive. That's bad. That's not good.

And I also think part of it is also a social contagion aspect. Dr. McPhillan talked about this that we're not a lot like we can't say anymore that we're just sad or that we're worried about. something. It's and I'm not saying this is true of everyone because obviously some people it's it's different than being sad. They would say that they truly are depressed. But I think today it is so common just to say that you're depressed and to say that you hate yourself or whatever it is and to say that you're anxious rather than well, you're just like worried about something that's normal to be worried about that. That's fine. I'm so glad I didn't have that language when I was in high school because I think I could have convinced myself that I was depressed. I mean,

what teenager doesn't kind of go through that to where they're like, oh, my parents don't like me. I'm mad at this person at school. I got a bad grade. And you do just think, I can't do anything right. And if someone told me, you know what, a pill can fix that and you'll never feel bad about yourself, that's enticing. Yeah. You know? Well, and it's just the, you know, you know, if you're constantly being fed on TikTok, that, like, that's, that's the trendy thing. Yeah. It's not even feeling depressed, but it's like the med culture. Yeah.

It's like, don't forget to take your antidepressants in the morning. Like, I've seen YouTube videos where people are like, and, you know, reminder before you go to bed, take your meds. It's like, that's the norm. They're just expecting that people, especially young people, are on some form of medication. and that's been normalized to the point where like that you just need that. You just need it to live. And that's a part of like your healthy routine, like eating your vegetables. Right.

You brush your teeth. You take your meds. You go to bed. That's just fed into people. Yes. Yeah. I think, yeah, go ahead. I think especially as women, especially teenagers, we, I mean, there's four, sorry,

related rows, there's four different parts to your cycle, too, to your administration cycle. Yeah. when you feel a different way in each one, sometimes you can feel more anxious or feel more worried. And then you're like, oh, is something wrong with me? Do I need to get on something? And then even getting on the pill can also mess with you mentally too. And I think people just aren't aware of that. Teenagers aren't aware. And parents just, they don't know either about all the different menstruation cycles. Birth control is such a big one that I think has affected so many women. So many people around our age were put on birth control in high school who are not sexual.

active who we it was just like given to us because oh you have acne and you don't want acne oh you missed sorry again related bros but oh you missed one period and so and you know you're not pregnant but like your period is now irregular oh you might have PCOS which some people really do but I think that was overdiagnosed again and people were just put on yes and like put on these And it was just like something that we would just talk about even in college. Like, oh, yeah, my birth control is making me sad. Or I'm, you know, I'm depressed. I'm crying all the time.

I'm emotional. And it was just like accepted that you just did that. And again, I don't even think that our parents thought about the consequences to that kind of stuff. No. And we just didn't know. No. That happened to me too. My doctor said, let's put you on it.

Oh, you're cramping. My mom didn't even blink. Like, okay, this is what the doctor saying. Yeah. Because you, I mean, I was going to say you used to be able to do that, but we used to think that you could do that. I think we didn't realize that we should be even curious about how pharmaceutical companies make money.

But I wanted to read this message that I got because I'm still getting a lot of, well, mostly positive feedback from the Dr. McPhillan episodes. Go listen to those if you haven't already. But a lot, I mean, a lot of negativity too. like a lot of anger in my comments. People get really mad when I tell them to go listen to the full episode. And then they're like, well, why don't you just take the reel down? Well, no, I'm putting the reel up because I want you to go listen to the full episode.

But you're saying things. You're accusing him of not saying something or saying something that if you actually listen to the whole episode, you would see that you're wrong about that or that you're wrong in your accusations of him at least. So people are upset and people are still insisting that the chemical imbalance thing is actually true, which it's actually been debunked several, several times over the years. It's not just him saying that. But anyway, so here's, um, here's a message that I got just about kids being overprescribed

this stuff. Like when Dr. McPhillan said that he met a girl who called herself a Lexa ho instead of like, because she's on Lexa pro. And it was again, like a trendy thing. Really sad. So, um, here's what a message that I got. And with her permission, I posted it without her name. And then I got a ton of message.

confirming this from other people who who work in high schools and work with young people in different ways. So she said, on popular social worker opinion, but I'm thankful for this episode, the conversations with Dr. McPhillan, working with 14, 15 year old, so many of them have become so numb to emotions that a normal emotional response sends them into a tailspin. That is so worrisome. I don't know how many times I said this year. Hun, you're sad. It's okay to be sad in the situation when they brought me a problem and their solution was to call their psychiatrist for an increase definitely not against meds but think they should only be used in extreme cases i think i had three out of 75 plus students this year that i thought a psych med would be beneficial to them

while they sort through their root issues and obviously i can't confirm or deny whether those three people needed psychiatric medication. But I got so many messages from other counselors, mentors, teachers, social workers saying the same thing that, yes, the kids that I'm seeing, these young teenagers, they are overly medicated. They're on depression medicine. They're on anxiety medicine. One of you who as a doctor said that you had this kid come in and he was so nervous about some kind of like eye procedure that he was having. And, And he apologized for being nervous and said, oh, I'm nervous because I have anxiety. And you're thinking, no, you're nervous because you're about to have an eye procedure.

And it's okay to be nervous. I think it's so crazy because I think that the younger generation is a very like feelings driven generation. Like they seem to put their emotions first. But at the same time, they're so scared of anything other than numb. They're so scared of anything. I've noticed this about them. the apathy is so cool to them. They're scared to actually like feel something besides anger.

You do see the anger and the activism, but to feel like worried or to feel sad. And then to just connect those to circumstances which are fleeting, that seems like something they're not able to do or to emotionally regulate or to distinguish between a mood and a diagnosis. Like some people are more emotional. Some people are more sensitive. Some people have bigger mood swings. It's just how they are.

Some people feel really deeply about things. Some people cry easily. Some people don't. Like, I definitely have different, I definitely have different moods depending on a million things. It could be sleep. It could be what I ate, what I didn't eat. It could be the fact that I'm pregnant. It could be the fact that I'm stressed about something.

It could be the fact that because sometimes I do this. And maybe this is a process we all need to get better at, myself included. But sometimes I'll notice that I have like an underline. sadness or an underlying nervousness about something. And I have to stop and think, wait, why do I have that? Like, because I forgot why I have it. But usually I can trace it back to something. Like, oh, yeah.

That, like, hurt my feelings or that happened or I'm worried about that happening tomorrow, whatever it is. And sometimes I can't. And when you can't, you just have to kind of be like, that's life, you know? Yeah. When I was overseas, they had us sometimes like check in with counselors. every once in a while. And one of them kind of changed how I thought about emotional health, which has talked about a lot

and obviously mental health. But she said that being emotionally healthy is not not having emotions. It's not thinking, I'm sad that sadness needs to go away. Sadness is a human feeling that is normal and natural. Emotional health is being curious about why you feel. the way that you feel. It's not trying to get rid of the feelings that you're feeling. You're healthy when you're asking yourself, why do I feel this way? Not when you're not feeling that way. And that just kind of changed how I thought about it because, yeah, all the negative stuff,

like the sadness and the anger, I feel like a lot of times we just want to be like, how do I need to figure out how to not feel that anymore. And sometimes that's like, that's not the answer. You need to figure out why you feel that way. That's the thing you need to address. do think it's just strange. There's so many extremes in this because, and this is something I talk a lot about in my book, this idea, you hear this over and over again by like the pseudo-psychologist on Instagram, which I just like don't recommend people following. But like all your feelings are valid. I think that's also dangerous. Like suppressing your feelings are dangerous, but also validating all of your feelings. Yeah. Well, you could feel jealousy about someone and, okay,

it's a real feeling and you could get to the root of why you feel insecure about that. But it's not necessarily valid. Your anger isn't always valid because valid means it's true. It's rooted in truth. So something can exist without being valid. And I think that's also there's like, I don't know, emotional responsibility has to be like acknowledging and understanding your feelings while not focusing so much on them and allowing them to lead you. I think part of being an adult, something that distinguishes us from toddlers as a mom of toddlers is that my toddlers, they cannot separate. their emotions really from like what is happening or logic.

Like they're two of the same things right now. And so what they feel is happening, that might as well just be their reality. They can't move past that. But something that's supposed to distinguish us from toddlers is our ability to say, I feel this way. That's not real or that's just not the most important thing right now. And so I need to react differently than how I'm feeling. Right.

And because I guess, that's hard, I think that's one reason why we are over-medicated. That's like a discipline that's difficult. Not being led by emotions. Yeah. Yeah. And I again wonder if social media makes that harder because Victoria, I don't know if you feel this way, but if I'm distracted by something, by social media, I am a, I'm not as good at whatever else I'm doing, whether it's talking to my husband or whether it's parenting my kids. I'm less patient. I'm more testy and I'm more snappy because I think it's some kind of thing in your brain, not just being distracted, but something's happening there that is making you more on edge. And you become like really lazy in conversation, in parenting

and things like that when you allow yourself to be distracted. So I think that's part of it. They're so used to those quick dopamine hits that the difficulty and discipline that's required. Yeah, it's like a drug. Yeah. It feels like a drug sometimes. Even when I'm with myself, son, sometimes I'll catch myself. I won't even, you know how sometimes you're driving and you're like, I don't even know how I got from this point to this point. I do that sometimes on social media. I'm like, I don't even know how long I've been on here. Yeah. And my child is just playing by himself and I'm over here on social media. Yeah. Yeah. I also, I think we live in such a godless society and it makes me so sad because I struggle, like I feel like I have really, really big emotions. And if I didn't have the

Lord, if I wasn't able to lay those emotions at the feet of Jesus and say, like, God, I know all these bad feelings are not swimming from you. I lay them at your feet. I don't know what I would do. I would probably want to be medicated too. So it makes me so sad for the people that don't know the Lord and that don't have a relationship with the Lord. Yeah. Because they have all these feelings that they don't know what to do with and they can't separate that from God's truth and what God says. Yeah. And it's pretty incredible that we do have a God who tells us over and over, again, Old Testament to New Testament, do not fear, do not worry. So he's recognizing that these are real emotions, but he says it is possible to not,

to not do those things. But he doesn't just say, like, don't do them because it's bad. He says, do that because I'm in charge. And my dad reminded me of that this morning. I was worried about some situation. And he was like, you're picturing this whole scenario playing out without God. like without him being in charge or without him being in control of this. And that's really what worry comes down to.

It's picturing the future or picturing your situation without anyone who really cares about you. It is guiding you. Okay, I wish we had more time to talk about all the other things that I wanted to talk about. But we'll say that for tomorrow. We've got a whole episode tomorrow that I can dedicate to talking about the ACLU story that I've been meaning to talk about. I'm glad that we just had this conversation today. And just to clarify, like I've said this before, I am not anti-modern medicine.

I'm not that crunchy. I'm not as crunchy as I want to be. Although I did switch to glass straws, which I'm pretty proud of myself about because I am trying to use plastic less, especially in these hot summer months. It makes me really uncomfort to think about my plastic, like melting and then drinking from it.

So, but I'm not as crunchy as I want to be. I am definitely for modern medicine, and I'm not against that. I also am not invalid. your real experience with depression, real depression, real anxiety, real bipolar disorder. I'm not saying that all of these are in your head or a part of your imagination or that there aren't different perspectives on psychology and psychiatry. I'm not saying that, but I think we should all care.

Again, as I've said a few times now, we should all care about the increased medicalization, especially of young people, the increased testimonials of depression and anxiety. and emotional regulation, spiritual health, and how these really can't just be solved by pills. This seems like something that Christian should really care about. A book that's been recommended to me that I just bought because I think it's going to be helpful by John Piper when the darkness will not lift. Apparently, he really talks through depression and even medication from a biblical perspective. So I'm interested in learning more about that.

And I'll just go ahead and recommend that book, even though I don't know everything that's in it because I like John Piper so much. I think that he'll probably have a lot of things to say. All right, we'll get into all the stuff that I wasn't able to cover today or yesterday and tomorrow's episode. Thanks so much for listening. We will be back here then. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Alley, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political.

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