Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 855 | Responding to 'The Sparkle Creed' & Other Blasphemy | Guest: Fr Calvin Robinson

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

Starting point is 00:00:19 We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Well, it seems like the entire Christian church sometimes is devolving into progressive nonsense and not just the church but the world at large. What do we make of all these crazy claims that we see circulating online? like God is queer or Christians must be a slave to the climate agenda. What does all of this mean?

Starting point is 00:01:04 How do we combat it as Christians? And why is the truth of God better? Why and how does the gospel actually have the answer for this chaos that we see, not just in the culture, but also in the professing church today. Father Calvin Robinson is here today. He's one of your favorite guests, one of my favorite guests, one of my favorite guests to, he is going to react to some of these crazy things that we're hearing and seeing around the world and give us the proper biblical perspective on all of it.

Starting point is 00:01:36 I know you'll love this conversation. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to Good Rangers.com. Use code Alley and check out. That's good Rangers.com. Code Alley. Father Calvin Robinson, thank you so much for joining us once again. How are things going across the pond?

Starting point is 00:02:00 things are going well with me but over here things are crazy i don't know what's happening in the church it seems to be doing everything it can to implode itself but it's a pledge to be joining you on your show again yeah there's some craziness that we're going to get into that we're going to get in today to today that i want to get your response to by the time this episode is coming out a lot of people will have already seen these clips maybe not though but it's still worth commenting on because there's a new clip every week, it seems, of some ordained minister saying that they are representing Christ, representing scripture, representing the gospel, and they're saying things. It's almost like it's a different language. I have no idea where they're getting this stuff. Okay, the first clip that I want

Starting point is 00:02:47 to get you to reacts to is from over here in the United States. Anna Helgin, she's a female Lutheran pastor of Adina Community Lutheran Church in Minnesota. And she's a female, you know, she in this video is reciting something called a sparkle creed. And I guess this is supposed to be representative of the mission of the particular congregation and church she's leading. So here she is giving her sparkle creed. Let us confess our faith today in the words of the sparkle creed. I believe in the non-binary God whose pronouns are plural. I believe in Jesus. I believe in Jesus Christ, their child, who wore a fabulous tunic and had two dads and saw everyone as a sibling child of God. I believe in the rainbow spirit who shatters our image of one white light

Starting point is 00:03:46 and refracts it into a rainbow of gorgeous diversity. I believe in the calling to each of us that love is love is love. Okay. And we even had to cut some lines out of that. so it's not too long. Can you, like, can you translate this for us? I'm confused about what this has to do with Christianity or the gospel at all. Are you sure this is a Christian pastor? I'm not entirely convinced this is the same faith that we practice. This is why the Latvian Lutherans reversed their decision to have female pastors because this is incorrect. This is inappropriate. This is clearly an approach to be, you know, inclusive and bring people in. But the audacity of this woman to rewrite the creeds, Ecumenical creeds that were written by bishops that came together from around the world, united in faith to God against heresy.

Starting point is 00:04:38 This woman is reversing all of that and creating her own heretical creeds. I believe in a non-binary god whose pronouns are plural. First of all, there's no such thing as non-binary. We know this because the Bible says that God made man and God made woman. God male is male and female. But the idea that God's pronouns are plural. When he told us his preferred pronouns, call me God the father, and his son, his name is Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, they are male figures. That's not denigrating women or females at all, but it's saying that this is how God has told us to perceive him in a patriarchal manner as a protector, as a provider, rather than nurturing and maternal.

Starting point is 00:05:21 And these are both good things, but he's told us how to refer to him. So the audacity, the arrogance of this woman, but you can see where this is coming from. This is coming from the enemy. She might not be on the enemy's side or knowingly, but she has been used by the enemy. This love is love is love language we know is a mutilation of the word love. It's a love that means desire, the devices and desires of our own hearts. It's a love that means lust and things that I personally want or personally need. It's not the biblical love.

Starting point is 00:05:52 It's not the godlike divine love, which is agape, which is a self-sacrificial love, which is a willing, the good of the other. It's very, very different. And it's actually a very dangerous terminology. This love is love, this cyclical phrasing because actually it breaks down boundaries and barriers that are needed for love to thrive. And this is why it's the enemy's work. Yes. And this is just creating God in our own image when, in fact, God created us in his image. he's the definer and the arbiter of all things.

Starting point is 00:06:25 And you mentioned how he refers to himself as father. He refers to himself as king. He refers to himself in these paternal and masculine terms and words, even though he is, I mean, God is spirit. He doesn't have a body like we do. Of course, Jesus Christ is God made flesh. But God doesn't have a body like we do. He does refer to himself at different parts of scripture as like a mother hen or a nursing.

Starting point is 00:06:52 mother when he's talking about like his love for Israel and his protection of Israel. But that does not mean that God is non-binary because, again, that is trying to make God fit into these imaginary categories of so-called gender identity that humans have created. When, as you said, he tells us who he is. He says, I am that I am. And he said he's a father to the fatherless. So we have to respect everyone's pronouns, except when it comes to the God of the universe. When it comes to the God of the universe, we apparently have the authority to tell him how he's

Starting point is 00:07:32 supposed to identify really in a way just to affirm our delusions about our own identity. Well, I mean, spot on. This is, again, it's all down to personal arrogance, isn't it? This woman is essentially trying to rewrite the faith and project her own ideas onto God. And this is a very, very modern thing, isn't it? This is what we're always doing. We're looking at the scriptures and trying to bend them around our own ideals or trying to shape Christ around our own ideals or trying to shape our own lives around them, look to Christ, shape our lives around him, and empty ourselves of our own personal will to be filled with the divine will of God. This is what we should be doing. But we are so arrogant and so self-centered that we want everything to fit into our own lives. And this is how we're making God's of ourselves. It always comes back to the beginning of the book, to Genesis itself, where we have the serpent whispering in our ears saying, did God really say that? You know, we can make gods of ourselves. We can eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Why not? Why shouldn't we? We owe it to

Starting point is 00:08:35 ourselves. We haven't learned a single lesson. Exactly. Exactly. It all goes back to the garden, and exchanging the God of Scripture for the God of self. The same thing that the first humans were tempted to do and fell into that temptation. We're still trying to do that today. She says, I believe in Jesus Christ, their child, which I don't think that she actually does, their child who wore a fabulous tunic and had two dads. So this part is what bothers me, obviously, is the inaccuracy, but it's a joke. It's kind of tongue-in-cheek.

Starting point is 00:09:08 Like, I think the person who created this so-called Sparkle Creed knows that Joseph and God, the father, we're not in a relationship. Like this wasn't like some kind of homosexual union where they were raising a child together. And yet they used this, that he was of God, the father. And then Joseph was his, you know, stand-in earthly father to basically sanction the unity of two men and some kind of homosexual bond. And so it's blasphemous in that way, too, not just because it's inaccurate, but it does seem like it's openly making fun of what we know about biblical truth. what we know about the history of Jesus. And so I'm not even sure if any of these people reciting this ridiculous creed are actually

Starting point is 00:09:54 taking it seriously. I mean, here's my question, I guess, is why do people like this who clearly, I mean, they think that the Bible is not good enough? They think it's, you know, maybe incomplete or archaic or whatever. They're making God into their own image. Like, why do you think they even waste time, either going to seminary or going to church on Sunday, if you're going to create this completely vapid and worldly set of beliefs. Because it makes them feel good.

Starting point is 00:10:23 And it's all about how they feel. Everything today is about feelings, emotions, isn't it? It's nothing to do with facts. It's nothing to do with faith. It's about their own personal feeling good. They've turned up to church, so they feel good about it. And this pastor, she is the worst because she is a wolf in sheep's clothing, leading these sheep to damnation, essentially.

Starting point is 00:10:40 She's leading souls to hell. And having people recite this blasphemous creak. is a prime example of that. And you're right, the whole idea of Jesus Christ having two dads, it's painted in a blasphemous way as almost hetero-homo erotic. And it's disregarding Christ's mother. It's disregarding Mary, who was the tabernacle for God, the god-bearer, the Theotokos,

Starting point is 00:11:03 just pushing her out of the picture. So in order to appear inclusive to the homosexual community, she's actually delegating women and womanhood and motherhood. So this is why we should stick to the scriptures and not try to reshape them because when you try to include something by adding something, you're removing something accidentally. These things are mutually exclusive. I'm actually shocked that not only was she preaching this, that so many people were following along.

Starting point is 00:11:30 Yes. She says that the saints of God are as resilient and creative as patches on the AIDS quilt, whatever that means. She also included a reference to Taylor Swift and being a Taylor Swift. fan so there's just a lot going on here hey this is steve day if you're listening to alley you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political they're moral spiritual and rooted in what we believe is true about god humanity and reality itself on the steve day show we take the news

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Starting point is 00:12:31 I hope you'll join us. The regional body of the ELCA made national news in May of 2021 after electing the first openly transgender bishop in the progressive denominations history. And so I'm not sure. I mean, it seems like denominations like this, they don't have a long shelf life. Because eventually, I think people do start asking themselves, wait, why am I here? Sure, this feels good, but it's not offering me anything different than what I see on MSNBC.

Starting point is 00:13:13 I mean, if you want community, you can just go to brunch. So it seems like these kind of denominations that let the Word of God go by the wayside, they eventually crumble because they don't have a solid foundation. I hope so. I think they also crumble because God will not be mocked. And this is exactly what they're doing. They're mocking God. And church should be challenging. Church isn't easy. Church isn't a club. It isn't a brunch club or a lunch club. It isn't a place for just community. It is a place of community, but it's community centered on Christ. And if it's not centered on Christ, again, it's centered on ourselves, on our individualism, it becomes selfish and it becomes idolatrous. The church itself becomes an idol or we become an idol. And that is going against the first commandments. So all these people need to do is, themselves, am I being challenged and am I meeting Christ? And if they're not meeting those two criteria, they need to step out of this church and go towards a mainline church. Yes. Okay. In Germany, there was a pastor of Quentin Caesar and he will be speaking in German. So for those of you who are listening and not watching, I can translate after.

Starting point is 00:14:18 But he has this to say about God in front of an audience. Yes is the time to say We are all the last generation Okay, God is the time to say Black lives always matter Now is the time to say God is queer Okay, God is queer

Starting point is 00:14:51 Black lives always matter We're part of the last generation I don't really know what that means the last generation I saw your take on Twitter about this. What do you have to say about this, teacher? We have another false teacher. We've got another wolf in sheep's clothing. The Bible warns us so strongly about these people.

Starting point is 00:15:09 These people are got to be punished so severely unless they repent. Because it's not just them that's at risk here. They're leading other souls to damnation. God is not queer. Why would anyone suggest that God is queer? What does queer mean in this context? And as for Black Lives Matter, this motto that is divine. It's a horrible take from the critical race theory ideology, which is essentially neo-Marxism, that separates us all down to black people being victims and white people being oppressors.

Starting point is 00:15:38 And the Christian message is simpler than that. The Christian message is there is neither June or Greek. We are all one in Christ. So black lives matter doesn't make any sense. What we should say is that all human lives matter because all life is sacred. And that's a pro-life movement that I can get behind. The idea of separating us down to our skin color is toxic and divisive. that's what this chap seems to be doing.

Starting point is 00:15:59 Yeah. And I just, my producer just told me that the last generation is a reference to the far left green extremist activist group, the last generation, the group that blocks the highways in Germany to protest supposed looming Armageddon of climate change. And just speaking of that, that's not really what we're talking about. Did you see that Greta Thunberg tweet that was going around that was from five years ago, 2018, where she said, if we don't get it together, that in. five years, we are going to be wiped out. We've been hearing these things for a very long time

Starting point is 00:16:32 because it has kind of become a religious idol. It's become kind of this cult-like thing. You know, people that you identify as being in these crazy cults, they always have these wild eschatological ideas about when the end time is coming. It's always, you know, very imminent for a variety of reasons. Well, the climate cult is pretty similar to that. I mean, they've been guessing the end days for a long time. This guy says that they're in the last generation. So that's another strange part of this so-called, paradoxically called progressive Christianity is the climate worship, too.

Starting point is 00:17:07 Oh, massively, sir. They worship Gaia. This is a doomsday cult. The world is going to end unless we do something about it now, this climate extremism and this climate so-called crisis. But of course, as Christians, we're called to be stewards of the earth. The earth is there for us, God's creation. We are here to tend to it, to look after it, but it's here for us.

Starting point is 00:17:26 So this idea that we should be reducing the number of human beings on the planet in order to save the planet is bonkers because without us there is no point in the planet. You know, the animals are here for our enjoyment to feed us. The plants are here to, likewise. So they've got things upside down and the way that they worship Gaia. And literally with her cathedrals, with big Gaia monuments in recently, it's becoming overt. But a lot of this is coming. And, you know, this guy we've just been talking about coming from Germany. Why does all heresies seem to start in Germany?

Starting point is 00:17:55 You know, a lot of the heresy around the Protestant movement began in Germany, and the same with the Roman Catholics. We've got their bishops out there now pushing for female priests and bishops and for approval of gay marriage and all kinds of things that go against the scriptures. There's something really, really wicked at the heart of Germany. I don't know what it is. That's really interesting. And I've heard other theories like that, too. They're just very progressive in a lot of ways. I always like to reference this.

Starting point is 00:18:22 I like to reference this first because the climate issue. I think is something that Christians also get hung up on. Like how are we really supposed to think about this? But you made the distinction beautifully, which, yes, we are supposed to steward the earth. We care about creation. We care about animals. We're kind to animals. We do the best that we can to steward responsibly, the resources that we have.

Starting point is 00:18:42 But we also don't believe in this climate doom and gloom that, you know, cow emissions are going to be like what thwarts the power of God and finally ends the earth. I like to read Genesis 8, 22 that says, while the earth remains, seed time and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease. I mean, that's it for me. Not that, again, I don't have to be responsible with the resources that I have, but I do believe in a God who is authoritative over all of creation. And he promised me all the way back in Genesis 8 that these things are not going to cease. these things are not going to end until he says so. So it's a balance there, being responsible with what we have and loving the creation that God

Starting point is 00:19:31 has made without buying into this paranoia, which is really just siphoning off power to the people who want to control our lives and don't actually care about the climate at all. Oh, it is down to power. If you look at the messages they're sending, the idea, like you mentioned, that cows are consuming more CO2 than their man-made infrastructure. We know that to be a nonsense, but they're cutting down on farmers. and the culling cows, as well as other areas of agriculture. And that seems to be counterintuitive because nature is there for us and we are there for nature. And it's a cycle that supports

Starting point is 00:20:01 each other. So cows produce milk that we can drink and beef that we can eat. And that's a good thing. And there are contributing CO2 that we need in the air. That's a good thing. Whereas maybe private jets to Davos to the World Economic Forum is not a good thing. And we can cut down on that instead. But the priorities are upside down because there's a lot of money to be made from the net zero scam. the whole idea that we should go down to carbon emissions of zero by 2030. First of all, it doesn't practically work, but it means more taxation for the common folk. And that while the elite managed to have fun and live the high life, and I went out to Davos to the World Economic Forum this year, and I spent about 20 minutes with Greta Thunberg. She had absolutely nothing of any interest to

Starting point is 00:20:39 say without her approved narrative in front of her, without a script of bullet points to read from. She had nothing to contribute to the conversation. There's another church in Bristol who invited the climate choir. This is a climate choir. Wow, there's something for everyone. And they were invited by Reverend Cannon Johnny Parkin, the Canon missioner at Bristol Cathedral. And here they are singing their climate ballad. Wow, that's really scary.

Starting point is 00:21:48 People are watching their, this choir is dressed in like head to toe all red garb. almost like a geisha like painting on their face all white and then you can hear them say I don't even know what they said towards the end we cannot tell our children that we have not tried a lot of older people too seem to be latching on to this I don't know what do you make of a display like this it's difficult not to fall into ad hominemes when seeing this display because it is bizarre and these people are bizarre but my first question was what religion is this because it looks liturgical they're in some kind of vestments these red outfits it looks like a cult, but they're practicing it in Bristol Cathedral, so they've been invited in. And this is

Starting point is 00:22:29 extinction rebellion or extremist rebellion, as I call them. But they are showing that the climate cult is truly a cult, and these believers, they have their own hymns, for goodness sake. They're in a church, they've got hymns, they've got vestments. The only thing missing is some kind of sacrifice, which I hope never comes. Yeah. Okay, Church of England, which you're familiar with, hires a trans archdeacon, has appointed the first transgender archdeacon in a move hailed by LGBT plus campaigners as a beacon of light and hope. Reverend Cannon, Dr. Rachel Mann has been appointed Archdeacon of Bolton and Salford is now believed to be the most senior trans member of the clergy within the church. What do you make of this direction? Oh dear. So this fellow Nick Mann has

Starting point is 00:23:19 been promoted to the position of Archdeacon, which is a great shame because it shows that the Church of England is affirming this trans ideology, this idea that a man can become a woman and a woman can become a man because your sex is nothing more than how you feel. We know that to be untrue from the scriptures. Again, we can go to Genesis and see that God made us male and female for a purpose, but we can also know that there are differences between men and women. And this is God ordained. We are complementary. We're not equal. We're not the same. We are different, but we work together. Men tend to be faster, more athletic, stronger, therefore, their protectors and providers. Women tend to be more nurturing and more emotionally intelligent,

Starting point is 00:23:58 and they tend to be more maternal and therefore look after children. These are both very, very good things. These are spiritually good things that are for the promotion of mankind for all of us as a species. So to get denigrated to the point that to become a woman just means wearing lipstick and a dress is making a nonsense of women. It's a caricature. It's an offensive caricature of what a woman is and what it means to be a woman. And they're promoting this man, Nick Mann, ironic name there, and pretending that he is a woman. It's a false gospel that they're preaching.

Starting point is 00:24:32 There is no such thing as trans. And if you look at some of the work he's produced, he's written prayers. Holy God, chuckling, wise woman, tender and strange, we bless you. Bless us, trouble us, bewitch us, into delight. in your love, mercy and grace. Christ or sister, unite us in your holy bleeding. I can't even read on because it's just, it's offensive. It's blasphemous.

Starting point is 00:24:53 And they're promoting this chap. And I wonder why, I mean, because of the Church of England or any of these entities, they could just say no. Even if privately, they said, you know what, people can just live how they want to live. They can identify how they want to identify. But this is very basic and fundamental. We're not talking about some secondary or tertiary. like theological disagreement.

Starting point is 00:25:17 I mean, we're talking about the first chapter of the first book of the Bible that they are now denying is real. As you said, they're assenting to this idea that a man can become a woman and vice versa. So is it, do you think that there is outside pressure? Do you think that the leadership within the Church of England actually really actively believes this? I mean, because they could just say, you're, you know, sure, you're accepted in the church, but we're not going to let you ascend to this place of leadership.

Starting point is 00:25:44 and yet they have. They had the option not to, and yet they did. So, like, what's pushing this? Is it just total deceit, or is there something else going on? They're captured, unfortunately. The leadership is captured. There are many, many good Christians in the Church of England, both in the laity and in the clergy.

Starting point is 00:26:00 But the hierarchy is captured. The House of Bishops, the vast majority of them are what I would call liberal progressives, but not truly liberal, you know, just woke essentially. And they believe this stuff. And if they don't believe it, they don't want to offend people that do, believe this stuff. But they can just say no. I've had my battles with the C of E. I don't believe

Starting point is 00:26:19 in critical race theory, gender theory or queer theory. And I made that very clear that I'm Christian. I'm not a liberal. I think it can only be Christian or a liberal. I made it clear that I'm Christian. They would call me conservative. But I was pushed out. They said, well, that's a bit offensive. You know, people today can't be told that, you know, there's no such thing as systemic racism and or that you're born a man and you're born a woman. And that is it. And you are your body. You are your soul. And God loves you the way you are. You can't say that. That's offensive. However, they're pushing the opposite and pushing the idea that you can say that, okay, yeah, the reason that black people are held back in society is because society is racist against them and that a man can become a woman, a woman can become a man just by self-identifying as such. And that's all it takes. So they are making a choice, a very active choice to go with the liberal progressive woke narrative and go against the Christian faith, the teachings that we've always known to be true for the last 2,000 years, then the faith wants delivered to the apostles. And it's a great. shame. And as you mentioned earlier, the peril here is not just their own souls. It's also the

Starting point is 00:27:31 souls of the people that they're shepherding, that they're leading. I think it's the book of James. He'd probably be able to tell me the exact reference that says that teachers are actually held to a higher standard or not everyone should aspire to be a teacher because you're held to a higher standard. And I understand you've got a big responsibility there because you are taking responsibility of a flock. If we think about it like a shepherd and a flock, you've got to know the terrain, you've got to know where you're going, you've got to know what the threats are that you're up against. You have to protect the flock from wolves. And yet these shepherds have become the wolves themselves. I just can't imagine that God is going to have very much tolerance for this

Starting point is 00:28:14 kind of thing for very long. That's a good word. Yes, God doesn't have tolerance. Doesn't have tolerance for evil, doesn't have tolerance for sin. And this has become the new creed that we preach tolerance, diversity, inclusion, and equality. These aren't Christian values. They're not virtues of the faith, faith, hope, and love for the Christian virtues. But where the New Testament isn't as wrathful as the Old Testament, but where it is wrathful, where God shows that he is intolerant in two major areas in the New Testament are on harming

Starting point is 00:28:46 children or leading children into sin and on leading his sheep, his. flock into sin. So false teachers and people who cause children to sin are going to feel the wrath of God. This is what the New Testament teaches us. And so this movement is doing both. This trans movement is doing both. People who are calling themselves leaders in the church who are affirming the trans ideology or leading the flock astray, but they're also potentially harming children because this has been pushed in Church of England schools against government guidance. It's been pushed that children can change their identity. And actually at the moment, we're having a real battle in our politics because this is happening without the approval or consent or even conversation with parents.

Starting point is 00:29:30 And so teachers who aren't trained in biology or who aren't trained in the trans movement or affirming young children and allowing them to change gender, socially transition, without parents knowing. It's a risk to child safety. It's a safeguard and concern, but it's been pushed by the church. So these people are going to be judged very, very harshly. Yes, and it was James 3.1, not many of you should become teachers brothers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness, which should rightly and rightfully, I think, put the fear of God and humble a lot of people who do become teachers because they like the feeling of importance or they like the prominence.

Starting point is 00:30:13 But again, as we said, they exchange the God of Scripture for the God of they actually see themselves as the final authority, not God's word, or they want cultural relevance or whatever it is. Speaking of that gender issue, obviously we have the same issue, maybe even worse in the United States. It's currently just a bill right now, but it's probably going to pass and be signed by Gavin Newsom in the state of California that threatens parental custody. If they will not affirm so-called their child's stated identity, one of the legislators who was

Starting point is 00:30:46 arguing for this bill used an example of her own child and she used a seven-year-old in her example. So we're talking about like a six, seven-year-old child, maybe five, maybe younger than that. Who knows? I guess covered in this bill could even be toddlers who say that they're the opposite sex. And if the school or a counselor or I don't know, the doctor's office catches wind that the parent is skeptical of their toddler's so-called gender identity, that parent can lose custody and possibly face criminal charges in the state of California. And as you said, if anyone should be speaking up about this kind of thing, it should be the church. I mean, we have the clear answer to questions like this. What is gender? What is the family who's in charge?

Starting point is 00:31:34 And the first chapter of the first book of the Bible. And yet you have some professing Christians cheering it on. I mean, it's a pretty scary time. But it also tells us that we who are on the side sanity really have to be relentless in speaking up. Oh, absolutely. I think this is actually the greatest evil. I think it's darker than it seems on the surface because the idea is that children can consent. It's the idea that children can make up their minds about what gender they are and make life-altering decisions at such an early age. When we wouldn't ask a child to decide their own bedtime, we wouldn't ask a child most the time to decide what they're going to wear today. But we're going to ask them at an early age

Starting point is 00:32:11 what sex they think they are and then potentially put them on chemical castration, which we call puberty blockers and potentially mutilate their bodies, altering them for life. And what this comes down to, I think, isn't just that child. And it isn't just the idea of trans. This is a darker movement. What we're doing here is saying that children can consent. Because once we've come to a point where we say children can consent and make life-altering decisions like this, and we look further in the trans movement where we see terminology like all children are sexual and have sexual rights from the beginning. And this is in the UN Convention, for goodness sake. then we get to a point where people start to say, well, why can't children consent to having sex?

Starting point is 00:32:47 If they're sexual beings and they can consent to life-ordering decisions, why can't they? A lot of this leads down a very, very dark path. Yeah, and I think we're already seeing, I mean, we're already seeing where that is, especially in the United States, maybe they're in the UK too. But with these pride celebrations in the month of June and some of the books being made available to kids at schools, it's very overt. It is the sexualization of children that seems to. to go hand in hand with causing a child to think about their identity and if it matches their body and all of these things. I mean, strangers or someone who is not their parents don't need to be talking to kids about sex.

Starting point is 00:33:26 They don't need to be talking to kids about things that have to do with their genitalia. And it's evil. It is evil for the state to pretend that they not only know better for your child, but they actually care about your child more than they do. They don't know your child's name. They don't know your child's birthday. They don't care about what your child's favorite food is. They're not the ones waking up at night when your child wakes up from a bad dream.

Starting point is 00:33:49 They weren't there when your child was born. When the doctor laid that child on your chest, they don't love your child. And yet they are willing to cause you to forfeit your rights if you do not say that your child is the opposite sex and, you know, that they should be put on puberty blockers. I mean, that is, that is like, honestly, it is hard for me to think of anything more wicked. than that. Yeah, and this is why I think Marxism is a technique of the devil, because it's pushing children onto the state. It's saying, actually, children aren't the responsibility of their parents.

Starting point is 00:34:22 Children aren't a blessing from God for parents to look after. Children belong to the state. It's up to the state to decide what's right for children. And it does that via schools. It does that via indoctrination. And they've taken ownership. But this is what the Marxist movement pushes. It takes children away from their parents and puts them into the state,

Starting point is 00:34:39 because that's how you break down our way of life. That's how you break down our family. That's how you break down our faith. And essentially, when you destroyed the faith and the family, you've destroyed Western civilization. And that is why I think it's of the enemy. One more thing that's always a debate here. And I guess it's also a debate in the UK,

Starting point is 00:35:09 although I don't hear about it quite as much going on over there. But it's something that you wrote about recently, this terrible story of a woman who ordered abortion pills to kill the child inside her womb, And while she was eight months pregnant, the legal limit for abortion in the UK is 24 weeks, which is very liberal. It's very late. That's well into the second trimester, almost third trimester. That's viability, usually when a child has a very good chance of living outside of the womb.

Starting point is 00:35:39 And she went to prison because of this. And you had activists over there saying what a travesty it is, not that her child died so brutally, but that she was punished for killing her. her child. So tell me a little bit about what's going on with the abortion debate over there. Yeah, this is a tough one because we haven't had a conversation around abortion over here for a long time. It's been seen as a settled matter, which is a great shame. But thanks to the Roe v. Wade's situation over there, it has entered our lexicon again. And as of this latest instance, what we've seen is that a woman broke the law, fraudulently broke the law. She ordered pills by post to kill her baby after the legal limits. And I think, I don't think we should have pills by post anyway.

Starting point is 00:36:22 I don't, first of all, I don't think abortion should exist. But if it does exist, it's a situation for a woman, for a mother and child to be at the doctors with a medical professional rather than just receiving something by the post. That's terrible. But she faked the limit of her pregnancy. And she was past, she was about eight months, which is two to three months past the legal limit. So she broke the law. So she felt the punishment of the law and the consequences of the and then activists are saying, well, someone has gone to prison for having an abortion, therefore we should decriminalize abortion. And that's completely the wrong argument.

Starting point is 00:36:56 If you are arguing that there should be a legal abortion in this country and that there should be a legal limit in this country, then there has to be consequences of that, of breaking that act. But what we're seeing here is that actually people are being wakened up by this. People's eyes are being opened by this because they're saying, you know, I know people that have been premature much earlier than eight months. and they've lived fulfilled lives, very, very happy lives. And they are people, they are human beings.

Starting point is 00:37:23 This is a baby that she killed. And people don't need to see the graphic evidence of what happens when an eight-month-old baby dies to understand that it's wrong. So I think people are starting to question, well, should abortion be happening? And in the UK right now, we're up to over 200,000 abortions every year. There have been 10 million abortions since it was legalized in this country. It cannot be that every single one of those is an extreme circumstance as the pro-choice lobby likes to put forward. It cannot be. It's a convenience and we need to prevent it.

Starting point is 00:37:56 Right. And we're told that these late-term abortions never ever happen, that it's impossible, that it only happens in these very extreme situations where it's necessary. Well, it's not necessary. The solution, if there's a problem with the pregnancy or if the health of the baby or the mother is on the line, you deliver that baby. Either way, the baby is going to be delivered. The only question is whether that baby is going to be delivered dead or alive. And this woman, very sadly, very tragically, for whatever reason she thought that she had, she ended the life of her child.

Starting point is 00:38:26 And while I think that abortion shouldn't exist too, I mean, if you fall outside of the legal limits, you've committed a crime. And of course, there should be a punishment for that crime. And I hope that this woman repents. I hope that she finds Christ. I hope that she finds healing, absolutely. but of course justice and recognizing the dignity of this life that was taken does require a punishment from the justice system doesn't surprise me but it is a shame that a lot of people don't seem

Starting point is 00:38:56 to understand that in the so-called social justice world. All right, Father, is there any last word that you can leave us on, leave us on some hope and encouragement because we just talked about a bunch of depressing things. Yeah, well I think the hope that comes from this particular situation is that we're having the conversation again. And people are saying, well, what is the limit? And why do we have that limit? And it seems very arbitrary. It's 24 weeks. What does that mean? And people are saying, well, if it was a baby that she killed, then is it not always a baby. When does it become life? And obviously, there are two suggestions. One is it becomes life when it's born. But people are saying, well, no, it's clearly a baby before it's born. Therefore,

Starting point is 00:39:35 the other suggestion is it becomes life at conception, which is what I would believe, which is what the faith would teach. And therefore, if more and more people are realizing from this horrible situation that actually babies are babies and they are human beings, from the moment they are conceived, they are alive and they are a life and they are separate from the woman, from the mother's life. And this is not a my body, my choice situation because it's not the mother's body. It's a body within her body that we're talking about. If more people are becoming open to the idea, which I think they are because of this terrible situation, then we can have a conversation about should we remove that legal limit on abortion? Should we get rid of abortion entirely? Do we need abortion

Starting point is 00:40:14 in a civilized society? I don't think we do. I think it's infanticide. So I'm glad we're, the hope that this brings me is that we're having the conversation and people are opening their eyes to the idea of we should not be killing babies. So there's hope in that. Yes. And there's hope in all the things that we talked about today that it might seem like, oh my gosh, even the professing Christian church is going to hell in a hand basket. But first of all, God is sovereign, he maintains his remnant, he maintains his church, he knows who are his, and the sheep know the voice of the shepherd. And there is still Christians every day advancing God's kingdom, sharing the gospel, staining for truth in the midst of persecution, even in parts of the world,

Starting point is 00:40:56 in the face of martyrdom. And God's work doesn't always make headlines, but it is always happening. God's eternal plan of redemption is always going off without a hitch. And there's no crazy Lutheran minister or any crazy climate activist that could even change that a scintilla or for a second. So thank you for the work that you do too and pushing what is good and right and true God is using you in incredible ways. How can people follow you, watch, you hear more of your commentary? I have a TV show on GB News at 7 p.m. on Saturdays, but if you're not in the UK, just go to Calvin Robinson.com. My Twitter, my Facebook, my substack links are all on there. And there's a YouTube link to our show that you can watch online if you're not in the UK.

Starting point is 00:41:40 Awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you, Ali. God bless. Keep fighting the good fight. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Ali, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular.

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