Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 860 | Should Christians Do IVF? | Q&A

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this

Starting point is 00:00:34 D-Day Show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Is the cost of Christian education really worth it? Also, is IVF a Christian liberty issue or not? And most importantly, where can you find the best chicken nuggets? Producer, Bree and I will discuss that at the top of this episode, which is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use code Alley at checkout. That's good ranchers.com. Code All right. We are going to answer some of the questions that you have today. And I am also reeling in producer Bree to discuss some of these questions because a few of them are just too complex. They're just too much for just one person to answer, especially the first.

Starting point is 00:01:34 one. The first question that I want to answer is which fast food restaurant has the best chicken nuggets. That's just too much. That's like really important stuff. It's too much for me to answer on my own. So I don't know if you have thoughts that you want to be the first to share. Do you have like just, what's your gut reaction? Yeah, because I don't want to be influenced by other. Yeah. My gut is telling me. chick fillet. That was my gut too. They and they feel healthier when you eat them because they feel more real. They're not. I know. I know. They're not. They just feel more. Well, I think actually, you know what? I think it depends on what is meant by healthier. That's true. Yes, because they are

Starting point is 00:02:28 fried in vegetable oil. Unfortunately, people think it's peanut oil. There's all kinds of, you know, I don't know if it's soybean oil and all that stuff. But you can tell, and I don't know if this makes it healthier. But, okay, when you open up a Chick-fil-A chicken nugget, it's like strips of chicken on the inside, you know? Whereas I think if you opened up like a McDonald's chicken nugget, which I haven't had in a long time, it's like mashed. It's a sponge.

Starting point is 00:02:53 Yeah. It's a little sponge. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if all those theories about McDonald's nuggets are true, like the pink like like gel stuff that they say.

Starting point is 00:03:08 I don't know if that's true or not. I think it is probably just like chicken pieces mashed up, but I don't know, something crazy could be in there. Yeah. But no, I think Chick-fil-A is the most like, it feels the best when you eat it. Yeah. That's why they're marketing is brilliant

Starting point is 00:03:28 because they do make you feel like it's Christian healthy chicken. And it's not healthy, But I do think it may be higher quality chicken. Yeah, I think that's very true. I think so. Now, growing up, my favorite, I did not like Chick-Fleigh, because they do have kind of a distinct taste. Like, I don't know if it is.

Starting point is 00:03:48 It's kind of pickly. Well, I like pickly. Maybe I didn't. It's kind of sweet. Like, the breading is a little sweet. Yeah, yeah. And I didn't like that growing up. I loved Wendy's, like, biggest Wendy's Stan.

Starting point is 00:04:01 Are they that different from McDonald's? Yeah, they're different from McDonald's. Definitely different breading. I'm not saying healthier at all. But I would get like a tin piece chicken nugget and just eat that. Also would get a number one, which is just their hamburger. Number one, mustard and lettuce only with fries and a sprite. Mustard and lettuce only.

Starting point is 00:04:28 Yep. Oh, I loved fast food. growing up. I loved it. I love Wendy's. Again, not a huge fan of Chick-fil-A when I was little. Yeah, it was probably Wendy's because Wendy's was close to our house growing up. Trying to think, what else? Now, if we're going beyond fast food, Chili's has incredible chicken tenders. The chicken tenders? Yes. Do you have experience? The chicken crisper. I think they're crisper. Yeah. So good. Yeah. What do they do to those things. They're so good. It's the bread. I don't know. Yeah. It's the bread and then their

Starting point is 00:05:06 casso was good. Chili's used to be like the habs, the place to go. Had a lot of cool like memorabilia up. Now it's changed like everything else. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos.

Starting point is 00:05:50 If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this Steve Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Oh, you know who has good chicken nuggets? Who? Um, Shake Shack. Really? I've never had anything other than hamburgers.

Starting point is 00:06:15 I think they're newer on their menu because I think is burgers, obviously. But, um, yeah, they're pretty good. And, um, one thing that I really missed when I was overseas was Popeye's. Pop-I's. That's my guilty pleasure. Oh my gosh. Okay, I would have Popeyes in college sometimes. Uh, that was the first time I'd ever.

Starting point is 00:06:37 tried. No, no, no, no, no. It wasn't Popeyes. It was their arch nemesis, uh, Bojangles. Have you had Bojangles? I haven't. Oh. I've never been in a place where there was one, I don't think. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I went to Collegon South Carolina. Yeah. So it's similar to Popeyes. I don't know if I've ever eaten Popeyes. I'm definitely not against it. I just don't know if I have. You might be against it if you experienced the, how it's run. Oh, it's not a pleasant. Sometimes you're scared when you're there. That's just all part of the ambiance. Like McDonald's, too.

Starting point is 00:07:10 I feel like McDonald's is a scary place. I saw, I always, I followed these like nostalgic 90s accounts and I saw this video of like an old McDonald's in the 80s. It was so nice. It was like you could, you know, actually go in and sit down and not be like, oh my gosh, am I catching a disease? When you were in Scotland, did you ever go to my McDonald's? Hmm, I don't think so because I'm not real. I've just never been a McDonald's fan. I know some people do that.

Starting point is 00:07:38 They in Europe are very nice. Really? Yeah, they're like very, it's still fast food, but they're a little bit higher quality because they outlaw some of the stuff that we still have in our food here. Yes. And they're just really clean and nice. And like, it's all like everything's upgraded. That's nice. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:56 So you get used to that and then you come here and you're like, oh. We can't have nice things here. I don't want to go inside of McDonald's ever. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not looking down on McDonald's. I've just never been like a McDonald's fan. And unfortunately, they aren't like anymore the cleanest, nicest, nicest places.

Starting point is 00:08:12 Always, if you're on a road trip, you look for the quick trip. You look for the Chick-fil-A. Yeah. And those are the places. And racetrack. You know, now McDonald's has that new commercial. And they say, if you go on a road trip without going to a McDonald's, it's not really a road trip. And I thought that was interesting because I do seek out McDonald's when we're doing

Starting point is 00:08:35 road trips. Yeah. To eat or to just like stop? To eat. Oh, really? Not to like go in, but it's just because like it's quick and it is. They're everywhere. Yeah, it is quick. That's the thing. So growing up in Texas, you had What a Burger. And I like what a burger, but it takes for ever. Because they are actually killing the cow in the back and they're processing the meat right there while you are ordering. At least it's fresh. Yeah, at least it's fresh. So that takes forever. Now, you've had Whataburger.

Starting point is 00:09:09 I have, yeah. Whataburger versus In and Out. Oh, In and Out. Okay, are you a Thousand Island gal? Like, you like the sauce? Yes. The sauce is amazing. They toast the buns. It's all fresh. Like, they don't freeze anything ever. Interesting. I didn't know that. And the fries are really fresh, too, but I think there are butterfries elsewhere. But in and out all the way. But I'm from California, so I'm biased. yeah i like in and out it also takes a long time but also i do like their customer service

Starting point is 00:09:43 the family that owns in and out their christian family yes they opposed a lot of the covid stuff in california yes they pay their employees well too i bet because you can tell and i think that's true at chick-fil-a too yeah because they rise to the occasion i just don't really like thousand island and if you don't like thousand island like it's not like there's a variety of things that you can get at In and Out. Yeah, that's true. It's very small menu. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:10 Whereas at Whate Burger, you could get from 11 p.m. to 11 a.m., honey butter chicken biscuit. You know, I was just talking to someone about that, and I don't like them. Because I don't like honey. Because I don't like things. You don't like honey. I don't like getting like sticky things. Bree, your name is almost B.

Starting point is 00:10:28 And you like, what? How is it even possible to not like honey? I don't know. What don't you like about? That's what I need to know. Okay, it's super sticky. The first time I had a, it was a while ago. It's super sticky.

Starting point is 00:10:40 Is that what you're about to say? But if it's like fast food and I have to eat it with my hands. Oh, the honey butter chicken biscuit, not just the honey. Yeah, but honey in general, I guess I just don't really like the taste. But also, this is a hot take, I think. Okay. I'm ready. I hate it on my sweet and savory mix.

Starting point is 00:11:00 Really? Yeah, when people are like, oh, maple syrup and bacon. I'm like, no, they have to be separate. If I go to a breakfast place and I have like pancakes and bacon, separate plate. Separate plate. Separate plate. They can't touch. Really?

Starting point is 00:11:16 Yeah, it's like one of my pepses. So what about like trail mix that has M&Ms in it? No. No. Wow. I hate kettle corn because of that. Really? That's interesting.

Starting point is 00:11:28 I didn't know that about you. Yeah. Okay. Any other hot takes on food? Not that I can think of, doesn't like ketchup. Oh, I actually hate ketchup too. You do? It's too, like, sweet.

Starting point is 00:11:41 Do you like milk? We talked about this the other day. And milk is okay. I would never drink it on it. I think it's kind of crazy to just drink milk. Oh, really? You think it's so, that's crazy. It's wild.

Starting point is 00:11:52 It's wild. People don't just drink milk. I think there's a TikTok about that. You're going to hate the promised land. Overflowing with milk and honey, Bree. Oh, my God. I know. Oh, no.

Starting point is 00:12:03 No. Milk has always tasted sour to me. It always tastes sour. It just always has tasted bad since I was a baby. My mom said I threw the bottle down. I would never take milk. Like every kind of milk? I mean, not chocolate milk. Everything is made better with sugar. I always like am the scene from elf when they're like, she's like, oh, you must like sugar. And he's like, is there sugar and maple syrup? Then yes. That's all. always the answer. Oh, you like chocolate milk? Is there sugar and chocolate milk? Yes. I love sugar. Have you tried oat milk or almond milk, which I know are made with seed oil, but. Well, almond milk is not always. Like, you can get three trees almond milk, which I do. Like, if I were eating cereal, which I don't eat that much, but if I had to have, like, in a protein shake, I would use almond milk. Yeah. Three trees, they are not a sponsor, but I do recommend them because it's really only almonds in water. Whereas the other ones, like at Trader Joe's and stuff, they do have all that, like, stuff in there.

Starting point is 00:13:05 But oat milk, I've heard, is terrible for you. Yeah, I've heard that too. It tastes nice, though. Huh? Tastes nice, though. But, yeah, it is terrible. I still remember the Super Bowl commercial from several years ago, though, where the, like, founder of Oatley was, like, playing a piano in the middle of a field or something,

Starting point is 00:13:20 which is pretty impressive that has stuck in my memory. So I guess we did a good job. At the time, I thought it was stupid. But here I am still talking about it. So, way to go. Okay, so very, very different questions. question. This is not a lighthearted question, but that's what we do in these Q&A episodes, wide range of things. The question is, is IVF a Christian liberty issue? And what is meant by

Starting point is 00:13:57 Christian liberty is that is this just something that Christians can agree to disagree on? Or is it really fundamental? Is it really important? So yes and no. It's Christian liberty in the sense that I don't think it's a salvation issue. I don't think someone loses their, well, I don't think someone loses their salvation at all, but I don't think someone loses their salvation because they are a Christian and they go through IVF. As I've said many times, Christians can be wrong about a lot of things and still be Christian because we are all finite, we are all fallible. Every single one of us will enter into heaven with a long list of things, long list of ideas and held beliefs that we are wrong about. But by grace through faith, we believe. We believe.

Starting point is 00:14:42 believe in the gospel and we have been saved by Christ, there are a lot of things that we can disagree on. That doesn't mean that there's not a solid biblical answer for it. In the same way that we disagree on things as Christians like eschatology, what are the in-times going to look like? Calvinism versus Armenianism. These are all really important questions to which there is a right answer. We cannot all be equally right. We can't all have an equally correct interpretation of Scripture. We may not know what that answer will be exactly.

Starting point is 00:15:20 None of us can claim to know everything about Scripture, claims to know everything about the mind of God, everything that eternity has to offer. But we can say, okay, these are not, our salvation isn't dependent upon these issues that we typically call secondary or tertiary issues. So someone can believe that IVF is fine and still be a Christian, but that doesn't mean they're just as right as the person who says,

Starting point is 00:15:51 well, biblically, it's actually there are some ethical questions with it. So that's what I would say. As far as Christian liberty, no, it's not like there are multiple answers to the question, depending on how you look at it. but can we disagree and still be assured of our salvation in Christ? Sure. As far as IVF, yes, there are, I think, some worse ways to use it and some better ways to use it. I think the worst possible way to use IVF is to fertilize as many eggs as possible, get as many embryos as possible, and then implant a couple, implant as many as you can, hope that they take, and then put the rest of them on ice or destroy the rest of them. Just giving yourself as many chances as possible to have an egg that actually implants and that grows into the baby that you birth, not really caring what happens to the other embryos that are fertilized, whether they are frozen in perpetuity or whether they are destroyed. That is a form

Starting point is 00:16:57 of abandonment of your offspring because we believe that life starts at conception. We know that life starts with conception, it's not a question whether or not human life starts a conception. It does. That's when unique DNA begins. But it is the Christian belief and I think the logical belief that that is also when human life has value. If we say that human life has value at any point after fertilization, well, then it becomes very arbitrary.

Starting point is 00:17:26 Who gets to decide, oh, you have the right not to be murdered, not to be discarded when you're at six weeks gestation, when you're at 26th, you're at 26th. gestation when you're six seconds before coming out of the womb, not until you're two years old. I mean, these are actually philosophical debates that are had among secularists who have no real basis for why human beings matter. But because we as Christians know that we are made in the image of God, Genesis 1.27, that he formed us in our mother's womb with purpose and with love and through providence as we read in Psalm 139, we know that as soon as a human becomes a human, which is scientifically at the point of conception, that human being has value.

Starting point is 00:18:08 It's made in the image of God, therefore matters. Therefore, what we do with that life matters. And we also understand that we are called to be responsible for our children, that we're called to take care of our children. We read fatherlessness as a category exclusively of vulnerability and marginalization in the Bible, that God calls us to rectify, that God calls us to redeem. He is the father of the fatherless. And so child abandonment, refusing to steward your child by caring for them and caring for their well-being is wrong according to the Bible.

Starting point is 00:18:44 And that would be because we understand that these embryos are tiny little image bears of God in their first stages of life, placing our children on ice and perpetuity or destroying our children. I mean, that's the ethical, that's the moral, that's the biblical dilemma that people who create these fertilized embryo. embryos through IVF create for themselves. And you're stuck in a really, really difficult place. And that's why I don't recommend IVF. But also if you, so the last, I would say the last problematic, the last problematic form of IVF is when you implant all of the embryos, all of the eggs that you fertilize, you implant all of, um, all of,

Starting point is 00:19:32 the embryos that you have. You give them all a shot at life. There are fewer ethical qualms with that, but that's still not without its questions. Because whenever you separate conception from sex, whenever technology takes us away from what's natural to what's possible, there will always be questions. There will always be gaps to be filled in. That doesn't mean in every case of technological development that it's wrong, that it's unethical, but certainly when it comes to conception and the creation of human beings, there are going to be questions about taking us from what's natural to what's possible. And one of the issues with IVF is that there is a high attrition rate that you know going into it, that it is very likely that the embryos that you create

Starting point is 00:20:24 will not survive. They will be miscarried. They won't implant. They won't. They won't grow to fruition. So you are taking a risk with that little human beings' life purposely. Now, of course, human beings who are naturally conceived in sex, in that natural process, of course, there's always going to be a chance of miscarriage. Miscarriage is very common, even through that natural process. But there's an even higher likelihood of miscarriage when it comes to IVF. So you are knowingly taking the chance, a higher chance of the child dying in that process by going through IVF. These are questions that you have to ask. If these are little image bearers of God, is that a risk worth taking? And why are we taking it? Is it simply

Starting point is 00:21:18 because we want to become parents, which is a wonderful desire to have? It can be a very godly desire, but we can't conflate what we want with what's right. We can't conflate what we desire. We can't conflate what we desire with God's calling. So just because we want something and just because something is technologically possible does not mean that it's moral or biblical or right. So that does not mean that I think that parents who have children through IVF,

Starting point is 00:21:46 that they're bad parents, that they're evil, that their kids aren't valuable. Or I'm not even asking you to regret your children. Of course, you look at your children and if they were conceived through IVF, you're still so thankful for them. Of course. I wouldn't expect anything less. You love your children.

Starting point is 00:22:04 And I'm sure you are wonderful parents. It's not about that. It's not about the value of your kids. It's not about your quality as a mom or a dad if you went through these things. But these are uncomfortable questions that we all have to ask ourselves. And I know people say, well, it's easy for you to say because you didn't have to go through that or you got pregnant easily. I mean, people make all kinds of assumptions.

Starting point is 00:22:27 and say, well, again, you're going back to adult desire. Adult desire does not justify putting the well-being of a child at risk. So, yeah, that's what I would say about that. I know that's long-winded. So is there Christian liberty? Certainly, and that I don't think you lose church membership. I don't think that you lose your salvation, certainly, if we disagree on IVF. But there is, I think, a biblical answer to whether or not IVF is something that Christians

Starting point is 00:22:57 should engage in. How to overcome the fear of spending so much money on private Christian K through 12 school. Yeah, I totally understand. I totally understand that there is a high cost to private education, to Christian education. And that's simply not possible for everyone. However, also just keep in mind, and maybe this is a possibility for you. that you've considered. But Christian education doesn't have to be private education. It can also be home education. It can be hybrid options. There are virtual classes and different kinds of curriculum

Starting point is 00:23:50 that you can look at for Christian education. And I know some people think I can't homeschool. That alone is way too expensive. But honestly, most of the homeschool families that I know are not super wealthy. They're making a lot of sacrifices. Yes, they're living on one income. They're making it work to give that home education for their children. But I honestly don't know many homeschool families who are doing it because they're just rolling in the dough because they're millionaires and it's just really easy for them. Actually, I understand that they're making really big financial sacrifices by taking away one income in order to stay home and educate their kids.

Starting point is 00:24:30 And it's not expensive to homeschool. It might be expensive to take away that one income so mom can stay home. and teach the kids, but it's not expensive to homeschool. You can do it in a very affordable way. However, if that's not an option for whatever reason, you don't want to do that. You really like this Christian private school in your area, which I think is great. I went to a Christian private school, kindergarten through 12th grade. My dad always said that he would work as many shifts as possible to ensure that his kids got a Christian education. My brother homeschooled for a little while. So we had different things that we did. But for me, kindergarten through 12th grade, like, let me tell you,

Starting point is 00:25:05 I would not trade that for the world. Was it perfect? No, it was perfect. Did everyone that I graduate with end up staying a Christian forever and, you know, go on mission for God? No. Some of them went to school up north and they decided that they knew better than their parents. They knew better than their teachers. They knew better than everyone else. They weren't going to be like those, you know, backwoods, Hicks who believed in God and things like the sanctity of marriage anymore, that they finally had it figured out and that really it's these Christians over here who were brainwashed and the rest of the world who got it right and, you know, became moral relativists and all of that. And maybe some of them have made their way back. Maybe some of them haven't. But I did go to a very

Starting point is 00:25:50 conservative Christian school and no Christian education, no education guarantees that your child will end up rejecting Christ or being a Christian. We don't. we don't know. No education guarantees a particular outcome. But I will say from personal experience and also what the Bible says is we've talked about many times. Like I would not trade my education for the world. It laid a theological foundation for me that benefits me every single day. Every single day I think I use what I was taught in kindergarten through 12th grade in my job and in my life. It is the reason, one of the reasons I would say, why I am able to write and to research and to argue the way that I am because we were taught that so persistently and insistently, especially when I was in middle school and high school. They emphasize so much the importance of understanding literature, analyzing literature, being able to articulate that analysis and to be able to write persuasively and articulately, really the people who went to my school, whether they did well in English,

Starting point is 00:27:01 or not. They went to college fully prepared to be able to communicate well. And so I'm thankful for that. But really, more than just academically, I am so thankful that I learned the Bible in every class that I took. In every class that I took, there was a biblical lesson to be learned. I'm sure some of the theology I grew up with in that school I wouldn't agree with today. But I don't think if it were for my school that I would have been introduced as early as I was to C.S. Lewis and to apologetics and to deep theological, like, debates and discussions that really helped me form my faith and helped me grasp what Christianity really is. Like, people always ask me, how do you bring, you know, verses to top of mind so quickly, how do you have this recall about this? I can't

Starting point is 00:27:50 take credit for it. So I hope you don't hear me sounding arrogant or anything. It's because we were taught that. We were taught that several hours a week at school, kindergarten through 12th grade. That's why. Like, I have that foundation that I didn't start when I was 25, but started when I was 5. And that makes a huge difference. People who say, well, there's really no, there's no difference between a Christian education and non-Christian education.

Starting point is 00:28:17 The discipleship happens at home. Okay, like, let's just do a little math. if you've got 40 hours a week at school and you've got a few hours at night with your parents, if that, because you've got extracurriculars, a few hours on the weekend with your parents, if that, because you've got time with your friends and you've got games and things like that, how much are you really getting disciples as a child? Like if most of your week, of 40 hours of your week is being indoctrinated with a anti-god or at the very best,

Starting point is 00:28:50 a non-biblical, non-biblical education, and in most cases today, an anti-biblical education, versus having 40 hours a week where you are having, where you are getting a biblical education, like, what's better? What's better? 40 hours a week with an anti-God, anti-biblical education, or 40 weeks with a biblical education. Which one's better? And again, it's not necessarily about guaranteeing outcomes. There are apostates and heretics that I graduated with who had the same education that I did. And there are people I knew who graduated from public school who are amazing Christians today. But so that's not really the question about like, okay, well, what guarantees outcomes? The question is, what's our responsibility as parents?

Starting point is 00:29:40 What's our responsibility? Our job is to steward our children well. Our job is to disciple our children and what is good and right and true. And yes, that includes, must include their education. I mean, read Deuteronomy 6. That's how important education was to God that it was supposed to be a pervasive part of their lives. Not just something that we compartmentalize. Like, oh, let's just give our kids over to the secularists for eight hours of the day

Starting point is 00:30:10 and hope to catch up with that in the evenings and the afternoons, which again, I think is unrealistic for most busy families. That was never. That was never the vision of education. That's a misunderstanding of how the human mind works. That's a misunderstanding of how I think the spirit works and how we are all created. Of course, the more discipleship we get, the more Bible we get, the more theology we get, the better. And so I don't think that there's an argument for, and I know that there are some exceptions.

Starting point is 00:30:44 There's some exceptions, certainly. Christian schools don't always have the special needs accommodations. etc but if you have the choice between a Christian education whether that be private school or homeschool and a secular education if you have that option it is a no-brainer for the Christian your kid is not supposed to be a missionary in the public education system okay they're kindergarten they're walking into a class they're not even big enough to hold up their shield yet and yet we're putting them on the front lines? Look, they have their entire life to be in the mission field. They have their entire life to be a light and the darkness. Like, we have a tiny, tiny window

Starting point is 00:31:27 of time to equip our children with what is good and right and true to prepare them for the battlefield. And along the way, there's going to be small battles, but we're still going to be there to protect them. One day, they will not have our protection anymore. Let's get them as strong as possible, as theologically solid as possible, as apologetically strong as possible. Let's prepare them as much as possible. Of course, that is going to require hours and hours of study and discipleship during the week rather than just trying to fit it in between secular school and extracurriculars when we can. So back to your question. How to overcome the fear of spending so much money on private Christian K through 12 school. Let me tell you something that my dad told me.

Starting point is 00:32:17 Allie, there's a difference between an expense and an investment. An expense is just spending. We all have expenses that we have to spend. And we want to make sure that we're managing those things well. And then there are investments which give us a return that matters more than what we are spending or the value that we get from however much we're spending is so much bigger and so much greater than the money that is being taken out of our bank account, that it is worth it. So K through 12, Christian education, whatever that looks like, is not an expense. It is an investment. And the return that you can get on that investment is worth it.

Starting point is 00:33:06 if you can do it. And by the way, I know a lot of parents who they take it one year at a time. They're not making millions of dollars. They're just like, we're going to trust the Lord to provide this year. We're going to trust the Lord to provide next year. And they keep going and going and going because they know they're stewarding their children well. That's an investment. It's not an expense. And it is such a worthy investment. Such a worthy investment. there are fewer, there are a few greater investments that you can make than in your child's Christian education. All right. We'll just go ahead and end on that. Wide range of things going on in today's episode, but I hope you benefited from it.

Starting point is 00:33:50 Some controversial. Maybe our first conversation about In-N-N-Out versus Waterberger might have been the most controversial part of this for you. Who knows? But thanks again for sending all of your wonderful questions. I really appreciate it. All right. We will be back here soon. Hey, guys.

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