Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 882 | The Left's "Holy War" on Education | Guest: Liz Wheeler

Episode Date: October 2, 2023

Today, we're joined by Liz Wheeler, host of "The Liz Wheeler Show" and author of "Hide Your Children: Exposing the Marxists Behind the Attack on America's Kids," to delve into the Left’s ongoing effort to take over our institutions and how we might be able to stop it. First, we ask why the Left is so focused on coming after children and explain how communism, at its core, alienates children from parents and destroys parental rights. We discuss the concept of indoctrination and explain why it’s actually a neutral term and that we should indoctrinate for good. Then, what does freedom even mean, and is it the ultimate end or the means to something greater? Why is the Left better able to establish coalitions than the Right? We discuss these questions and more! --- Timecodes: (01:18) Hide Your Children: Exposing the Marxists Behind the Attack on America's Kids (03:35) Why come after the children? (11:00) Indoctrination is morally neutral (17:20) Is freedom the ultimate end? (24:25) Liberty and justice (29:34) The Left destroys (34:15) Government accountability --- Today's Sponsors: Good Ranchers — get $30 OFF your box today at GoodRanchers.com – make sure to use code 'ALLIE' when you subscribe. You'll also lock in your price for two full years with a subscription to Good Ranchers! Birch Gold — protect your future with gold. Text 'ALLIE' to 989898 for a free, zero obligation info kit on diversifying and protecting your savings with gold. Patriot Mobile — go to PatriotMobile.com/ALLIE or call 878-PATRIOT and use promo code 'ALLIE' to get free activation! PublicSq — download the PublicSq app from the App Store or Google Play, create a free account, and begin your search for freedom-loving businesses! --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 483 | Refuting Propaganda on Ivermectin, Abortion & Afghanistan ​| Guest: Liz Wheeler https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-483-refuting-propaganda-on-ivermectin-abortion-afghanistan/id1359249098?i=1000534612500 --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. The powers that be, specifically the progressive powers that be, are after your kids. And they have been for a very long time. The time has come for parents to do something about it. And not just do something about it, but understand what we are up against who specifically.

we're up against. That's why my friend Liz Wheeler, the host of the Liz Wheeler show, wrote this book, Hide Your Children, Exposing the Marxist Behind the Attack on America's Kids. We have a fascinating conversation today. You are going to love hearing her articulate what is in this book, why she wrote it. It's a perfect setup for actually reading the book and understanding and ingesting everything, all the information that she has given us in the book, all the tools that she's given us for how to apply the information that she is supplying us with. And so I know you're going to love this discussion I'm having with her. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.

Go to Good Rangers.com. Use code All right. And check out this good ranchers.com code All right, Liz. Thanks so much for joining us. You've got a new book. Hide your children exposing the Marxist behind the attack on America's kids. Tell us about this. Hi, Allie. Thanks so much for having me on the show. It's, it's fun to talk to you on air. We talk so often off the air that it's fun when we get to be on a show together. Yes, my new book just came out last week. It's called Hide Your Children Exposing the Marxists behind the attack on America's kids. And it really started as a question that I think a lot of us parents had, especially during COVID, we would look over our children's shoulders on Zoom school and we'd see that there was poison being poured into their minds, whether it was critical race theory or

the transgender ideology or just good old fashioned moral relativism, your truth and my truth, more important than the truth. And it seems to me that this was a more concerted effort than ever before to attack our children. So I set out to find out why. It turns out the answer to that is not so much why, but who, who is behind this attack? And what I discovered is it's not new. This attack has been ongoing for nearly a century, actually. The left has been trying to re-engineer society. And unfortunately, they've been quite successful at it. They have captured what I call four out of the five major foundational cultural institutions. They've captured the media. They've captured the education system. They've captured a lot of religious institutions.

They've captured the law. And they've just about destroyed the nuclear family as well. There is one element of the nuclear family left standing. That's children, which probably explains why the left has set their target on our children. So what I do in my book is I name the names of the people behind the capture of our institutions, the people behind the attack on America's children. And then I offer a solution, which, Ali, I will tell you, is different than the solution the Republican Party offers for how we can retake our institutions and protect our children. I think it's very important to protect our children for the sake of their individual souls. Of course, every parent feels this way. But it's also vitally important to our nation if we allow the

left to capture our kids, then our nation is done. And none of us want that. Yeah, tell us a little bit about the why behind their strategy. So we'll talk about the who, but why do these people who are trying to prey upon our children, as communists have done for a very long time, we're really totalitarians of every stripe, have done for a very long time. Why the children? Well, if you look at the nuclear family, the nuclear family has always been the bulwark against evil. It's always been the institution around which society was properly engineered. Here in our own country, that's certainly true. We wouldn't be able to have a limited government, a small government, if we weren't relying on married couples to take care of their own children versus relying on

the government. As you said, communists and Marxists have focused on trying to destroy the nuclear family for a long time. I believe there are religious undertones to this as well. The nuclear family is not just an institution of secular society. The nuclear family is a reflection of Christ's love for his church, a married couple. It's supposed to be this example on earth of the mystical love that Christ has for his church where, you know, the husband is the head and sacrifices his life for his wife and his wife respects and submits to his mission to protect her and to sanctify her and to help her be holy and get to heaven. This is an existential threat to communists, because communism is at its core a satanic ideology.

It rejects natural law, rejects the human person and the freedom that are our creator endowed us with. So we've seen throughout the course, even of American history, we've seen communists and Marxists come after the elements of the nuclear family. There are five elements. There's man, there's woman, there's marriage, there's sex, and there's children. We've seen radical feminism go after women and tell women that, you know, we shouldn't actually serve the role in society that God created us to serve as wives and as mothers.

We've been degraded and told that that is meaningless, that our worth lies only in the amount of money that comes in a paycheck. Men are under sustained assault right now in our country with the Me Too movement, this assault on the idea of presumption of innocence until or in less proven guilty. I mean, you have grifters, conmen like Andrew and Tristan Tate telling young men that what it really means to be a man is to be materialistic and exploit, women. This is an assault on masculinity. Marriage, conservative surrendered marriage to the left a long time ago. And I know that this can be an unpopular thing, even for Republicans and conservatives, even for some Christians to discuss, although I confess that one's a little of a head scratcher to me if it's uncomfortable for Christians. But conservative rendered marriage to gay marriage out of this false idea of just being tolerant or being inclusive when really it gave away. It broke the

institution of marriage, what it means in our country, in addition to giving politicians or judges this role of being allowed to redefine words, being the arbiters of truth, which is just authoritarianism. Sex has been under sustained assault, the proper ordered form of sex, the proper place of sex within a monogamous marriage. That's been under assault since the sexual revolution, as we all know. So there's really one element left of the nuclear family that needs to be compromised for the family to be destroyed, and that's children. Marxists understand that if they can radically alienate children from parents, if they can destroy parental rights, if they can cause children to willingly turn against their parents, then what is the purpose of a nuclear family,

even in practicality, let alone the spiritual implications of it? So I think that this is, this is really their moment of truth, if you will. They understand, the Marxists understand, that their time to impose this Marxism on our country is now or never, which is why they are so relentlessly, so deliberately assaulting our children as blatantly as they are. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular.

This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this T-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. You know, obviously kids got created them to be vulnerable, got created them to be malleable. they created them to care about authority, care about pleasing authority. They made them or God made them to be extremely teachable, which is why he also created the family, because parents have an instinct to seek after the well-being and the best interest of their child in a way that even the best teacher can't.

I mean, even very good teachers and educators and mentors simply don't have the same interest and the same instinct towards protection of children as the parents do. And yet, parents have been convinced, I think, to kind of delegate that responsibility of what is essentially discipleship, all education is discipleship, and that responsibility of formation to strangers that they don't know in any kind of education system, but particularly the public education system, which we know is dominated mostly by progressive ideology. And really, that's not new. Like if you look at the history of public education, it has been about conformity. It's been about indoctrination. And now we just have a particular kind of indoctrination, which is an indoctrination against what we know about gender, what we know about truth, what we know about morality, what we know about history.

It's a destruction of all things good and right and true. Not speaking for every single classroom of every single school, but the system at large, from the teachers unions to the education department. like we know where they're coming from. And yet a lot of well-meaning parents just willingly, voluntarily, happily, surrender their kids to the indoctrination of this ideology for hours and hours every week. And then we wonder why America goes the direction that it has gone. But it's because these people are extremely militant in the recruitment of our children and have been for a very long time, right? Yeah, it's so interesting that you bring this up because one of the points that I make in my book is that indoctrination itself is a morally neutral term.

It's not good in and of itself. It's not bad in and of itself. It's what's being indoctrinated that determines whether indoctrination is good or bad. In fact, public schooling in the United States didn't become compulsory, didn't become mandatory until 1852. Massachusetts was the first state to make public education mandatory. and the reason that they did this was not to teach children reading, writing, arithmetic. It wasn't about what we would consider academic subjects. The reason they did this is because at the time, there were a lot of immigrants coming to our nation and specifically Catholic immigrants coming to our nation. And the Protestant politicians at the time wanted these children coming to our nation who had been born in another country to be loyal first to the United States.

So they wanted them indoctrinated in American civics. and these Protestant politicians were pretty anti-Cathic and wanted these children to be indoctrinated into what they termed Protestant values. I find this to be so fascinating because our education system, our public education system was never intended to be neutral. It was always intended to indoctrinate children. It was just intended at the beginning to indoctrinate children in good things and what's good and right and beautiful religious values and American values. But somewhere along the way, the people who had made public education mandatory, understanding that it was, that the purpose of it was indoctrination, surrendered the power of that institution, allowed it to be captured by communists and Marxists who also understood that the public education system was intended for indoctrination. They then took it over.

And for the last 50 years, they've dominated education from K through 12 through the university level. And yeah, it's no wonder that so many people in our generation, so many people in Gen Z, even younger, it's no wonder so many of them are anti-American. They are anti-Christian. They believe in moral relativism. They don't understand debate. They're anti-free speech. And I know it can sound like a difficult challenge when you call out individual parents for this. But one of the things that I've been very encouraged by during the writing, the last year that I've spent writing this book, is recognizing the, the, the, movement that's been happening in our country since COVID, so many parents have had their eyes open to the fact that they have been essentially walking blindly, that they have been deferring to the authority of teachers and public health officials and pediatricians and librarians and all of these people that we colloquially call the experts and parents for the first time in my lifetime, I'm seeing parents say, well, wait a second. Maybe these experts aren't correct. Maybe they're not basing their advice and their mandates in science or reality. Maybe they're

ideologically driven and maybe I should think for myself. And I find that more encouraging than than focusing on the parents that are that are still willfully putting their heads in the sand. I know that can be a difficult conversation, but, you know, I've talked about this. You've talked about this a lot over the past few years. Just recognizing what indoctrination is. You make such a good point that if you break down the word indoctrination, you're placing doctrines in someone. They're good doctrines and they're bad doctrines. They're true doctrines and there are false doctrines. And so every bit of education is indoctrination. I hear a lot of people say, you know, kids shouldn't be taught what to think how to, but they should just be taught how to think. Well, kind of but not really.

Yes, of course, it's important to teach kids how to think. But of course we teach kids what to think to, not just how to come to the conclusions, but what the conclusions actually are, and especially when it comes to parenting. Parenting, education is discipleship. And when you think about education like that, that, okay, your kids are being made into disciples of someone, of something. It's just a matter of what is it. Like, what are they following? Who are they following? I think the left understands that. The left understands that there's it's not just about how to think it is about what to think that it's there's not a neutral ground that education is not neutral the law is not neutral the public square is not neutral and yet some conservatives although i think you're right they're waking up they still believe

that we can get back to a time when everything is just neutral there's some like neutral secular space that we can all be in where our values are just like mutually agreed upon based on no cohesive worldview. I just, I don't think that that's possible. I think that that is actually why the left wins so well, because as you said, there's a religious undertone, I think, to Marxism, and they are in the business of conquest, religious conquest, based on a very specific pseudo-religious worldview, and they recognize that neutrality is a myth. I'm not sure the conservatives get that. No, not at all. I agree with you. I don't think there's any such thing as neutrality. I think that either the left is controlling these institutions or we are, I don't believe in this idea

of this even playing field where we all can remove our values and thus every individual can simply choose to live his or her life however we want. In fact, the second half of my book, I think I'm prouder of than the first half of my book. The first half is about the individuals and the organizations that are behind the capture of the institutions behind the attack on America's children. And the second half of the book, you could call a critique of the Republican Party for the exact reasons that you mention because the Republican Party is supposed to be the bulwark against these attacks. They're supposed to be the ones fighting against communism and Marxism, and they've failed. You can look at any library right now, the children's sections of any library,

look at, pull up your Twitter and look at the drag queen's story hour. I mean, are societies in chaos right now? And the reason for this is the Republican Party has lost sight of a, very important question. And that question is, if we as the United States of America, are supposed to be a free country, what does that mean? Is freedom the ultimate end? Or is freedom the means to something greater? And I'll tell you, Allie, this is something that I've changed my mind on in the last few years. It started actually back at CPAC in 2016, eight years ago. I had just spoken on the main stage. And afterward, I was out in the lobby being interviewed about my speech and about the candidates.

It was the exciting primary. And this independent journalist comes up to me and asks me, what do you think the role of government should be in our country and how do you define liberty? And I remember being surprised at the time because most of the questions were, do you think Marco Rubio is going to beat Ted Cruz? Do you think Donald Trump will be the nominee? It was mostly about politics, not policy. And I remember giving this guy a pretty libertarian answer.

Oh, I think government should stay off our lawn and mind its own business unless it's protecting inherent rights, God-given rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happy. And the journalist follows up and says, okay, well, then do you believe in the legalization of drugs? And I was like, well, what kind of drugs? Are you talking about meth? Are you talking about heroin? Are you talking about fentanyl, cocaine?

And he said, sure. And I said, well, no, I don't think that we should legalize drugs. And he says, why not? And I answered him say, well, because that would cause destruction in our society. Clearly, that would lead to chaos. And he asks me, he says, well, do you think that your answer to this question is a contradiction of your definition of liberty and how you think government

or what role you think government should play in our society. And I remember at the time in my head kind of being like, huh, that's an interesting question. It turns out the guy was an activist, not a journalist, he was an activist for marijuana legalization. But this conversation stuck with me for years and years because he's wrong about marijuana,

but he is correct about this libertarian idea of liberty. And I realize that if we embrace this, idea that freedom is the ultimate end, then what David French said about drag queen's story hour being a blessing of liberty is in fact correct, even though you and I and everyone watching and listening to the show knows that it's not moral. There's no morality to that. It's grotesque. It's evil. It's satanic. And so if freedom is not, if it cannot be the end enough into itself, because it leads to immorality, then freedom must be the means to something greater. And the Republican party has forgotten to answer this question. We've forgotten to ask, well, what is the something

greater? How do we want our society to be ordered? What do we mean when we say we want human flourishing? We've just completely neglected to answer that question. We've been so busy pointing out what's wrong because it's fairly easy to identify what's wrong. And we've forgotten to define and then offer what is right in its stead. And it's led us to this chaos. I think a lot of of us have had the evolution that you just described. Really what's done to me about what you just said is that 2016 was eight years ago or was seven years ago, right? How many years ago was it? Seven years ago? What? How is that possible, first of all? But secondly, I think that a lot of us feel the same way. Like we saw, we've seen through COVID. We've seen through the just the speed

at which the moral devolution is going. And the sexual revolution or devolution, however, you want to describe that. I think that we've just all had that kind of whiplash that you described and realized, okay, the role of the government has to be a little bit different than just live and let live. And of course, you do believe in a level of liberty. Of course. And I know the left always accuses the right of being authoritarian, which is laughable when you actually look at their policies. But what you're saying is what the left has said for a long time, that there is no neutral ground and that liberty has to be tethered to something. The left believes that too, that liberty has to be tethered to things that I think are immoral and wrong and must be constrained

for different reasons and in different ways than what we believe. But the right also believes that too. Like we also believe that there are limitations. But we believe that our limitations and our reasons for our limitations are actually good, that our parameters, that our definitions, that the morality that we are espousing is good. And so I do, I agree with you that conservatives just kind of need to come to terms with that and realize like morality really exists, right and wrong really exists, good and bad really exists. The reason why we believe that we are endowed with certain inalienable rights is because there's a creator who created all of these things. So tell us a little bit more about like how specifically we apply that knowledge that everyone needs to come to terms with.

That doesn't mean we have to agree on everything theologically. You're Catholic. I'm Protestant. We're not going to agree on all theology. But we agree as conservatives. We agree that our rights come from somewhere, that morality and truth come from somewhere, that these things are authoritative and that that authority transcends the power of the government. Like we've got to agree on that in order to build from there, from that foundation, in order to push back on. the assault that is the religious Marxism from the left. So tell us a little bit more about what that looks like. That's exactly right. So what's really interesting is this idea that I'm proposing isn't a new idea. This is actually our constitutional heritage. So if you look at the Declaration

of Independence, if you'll allow me to get a little historically nerdy for a moment, the Declaration of Independence, written by Thomas Jefferson, used the ideas or the definition of liberty of John Locke, who was essentially libertarian. He believed that a society should be as close to absolute freedom, meaning animalistic anarchy, if you will, as possible for a civilized society. And after the Declaration of Independence, a brilliance documents, you know, I have no quibble with it, of course, we had the articles of Confederation, which essentially embraced John Locke's view on liberty as well, this libertarian view on liberty. And it resulted in chaos in the United States of America. It was unworkable for us to be a cohesive nation. And so we had the Constitutional

Convention and this Constitution that came from this convention was not a libertarian document at all. It did not resemble the Articles of Confederation. It did not resemble any of John Locke's ideas on liberty. Instead, James Madison, the father of our Constitution, the author of our Constitution, he grappled with this same question. If liberty is not the ultimate end, it is the means to something greater. What is that something greater? And in Federalist Paper number 51, he gave us the answer. He said the definition of liberty is justice. So the something greater that liberty is the tool to use to achieve is justice. And what's more, he put, Madison pulled this from Edmund Burke. Edmund Burke also defined liberty as justice, but he went a step further.

He said the definition of justice, because of course, that's the question that follows, well, okay, liberty's justice, but what is justice? He said the definition of justice is original justice, capital O, capital J. And what he meant by that is he meant biblical justice. He meant natural law. Now, a lot of people are going to respond to this and say, well, are you talking about theocracy, Liz? Are you talking about religion?

And the answer is no, I'm not talking about theocracy, but yes, I am talking about religion. The foundation of our country was built on this shared understanding of the definition of right and wrong and man and woman and marriage and immorality and morality and liberty and justice. And you don't have to be any kind of religious person. You don't have to be a Christian. You don't have to be a Jew to understand that that is the necessary component, or the component that is necessary for our society to be cohesive. We have to have a foundational agreement on the definition of these foundational terms. And our nation already has that. We, Democrats don't like it. They try to reject it. They don't like our country or anything we

stand for, Republicans have just lost sight of the fact that it's okay to have morality and moral order in our laws and in our society that is in no way a breach of the separation of church and state because it's requiring no one to worship a God that they don't want to or go to church when they don't want to. It's no religious participation necessary, which would be what a violation of church and state would be. It is instead an understanding that we can't have a society unless we agree that there are some objective truths and it's already written into our constitution what those objective truths are. It's just up to us as conservatives. This is what I challenge people in my book to reclaim that and restore it so that we can restore order in our society. And you know,

a lot of people, you know, myself included, have complained that the left seem so much more cohesive, so much more able to build coalitions and to accomplish something than they're right. But, you know, I thought about it. I'm like, well, there is a, there's a reason. for that. There's a fundamental reason for that. The left is ideology, progressivism, Marxism, whatever you want to call it, the collectivism that we see from the left. It is only destroying. It is really easy to just give a random person a sledgehammer and to not care how they go about it, to not care what they're destroying. As long as they're destroying something, as long as they are given a tool to tear down these institutions, to tear down the family, to tear down all the things

that we're talking about. You don't really have to have a game plan. You don't have to have a shared foundation. You don't really have to have a cohesive moral vision. You don't even have to know what you're going to build after everything is destroyed. You're just in the business of destruction. So it's kind of easy to just link arms with someone who wants to take a bulldozer to things. But for the rights, we're trying to build. We're not just trying to destroy. And in order to build, you have to have a foundation. It's not going to work. If your foundation is sticks, my foundation is sand, their foundation is stone. Like we all need to have the same foundation.

That is the difficulty of coming together with conservatives because I agree with you 100%. Unless we all, at the very least, have the shared foundational understanding of who is ultimately in charge, where our rights come from, that there is a supreme transcendent right and wrong, that virtue really actually objectively exists, and that our laws have to flow from these things while not compelling people to worship Jesus the way that you and I do. Unless we start there, then it's not going to work. Like we can agree on a lot of different things. They're atheists, secular, leftists that I agree with on gender and different things.

But ultimately, at the end of the day, if we don't agree on the foundation and then build from there, we're lost. And what I really love is that you talk specifically. It's specific in the second half of your book of how we do this. It's not just what you just articulated. It's specific. Okay, so we started the foundation. We know who's behind it.

First half of the book, which we don't even have time to get into. I really encourage people to read it because it's so interesting how you track all the people and how it connects to like modern people in charge today. Insane. But the second half of the book is like, okay, we've got, we know who's behind it. Here's our moral vision. And here's exactly how we execute it, right? Yes.

So what's funny is my editor when I gave him the first draft of that, last chapter. He said, this is intimidating, Liz, even for a president of the United States, let alone a flustered parent. And I tell this, I tell this little tale on him because that's what I intended it to be. I'm tired of the platitudes and the cliches and just make sure your home is in order and everything else politically and culturally will follow narratives that we've been hearing for the last 50 years from the Republican Party. Yes, of course you should, as an individual, have your affairs in order. Of course, you should have moral order in your family. But conservatives have forgotten that limited government doesn't mean that all government is bad or immoral.

Limited government simply means that our government has enumerated powers. It has limits to it. And it's accountable to us, to we the people. That's what limited government means. It doesn't mean that government has no just authority to help order our society. And yet the Republican Party has fallen for the false idea. And you can see this, by the way. Chris Christie is a really good example of this right now because he refuses to

or he condemns states that are trying to ban transgender surgeries for children because he said that's not a limited government viewpoint. And I almost laughed when I heard this because I thought, well, what do you think the morality of limited government is if it's going to allow children to have their genitals mutilated in the name of a Marxist ideology? No, no. Government has just authority. And it's time for Republicans and conservatives to understand that the just authority of government should be harnessed to properly order our society. along these foundational truths. I call it natural law

because it means natural law is this reason that God instilled in each and every one of us that we don't need, our idea of right and wrong is not entirely nurture. It's nature. We can discern what's right and wrong for ourselves.

We know in our guts what is right and wrong. That is natural law. English law, which is what the Constitution was built on, was built on natural law. This is our historical legacy here. So I have a list of 12 governmental ways that conservatives and Republicans must, they should, but they must use the government to properly order society. Otherwise, we are going to continue in this chaos that we are living.

Sometimes these things can't be done just you and me at home, Allie. It can't be done just go to church and raise your children according to biblical values. Those are great things, necessary things, moral things. sometimes it takes our collective effort to pressure our elected officials to do the right thing at the governmental level, to harness the government's just authority to make sure our society's ordered along a long natural law. Totally. Our constitution was made for a moral and religious people.

It is wholly inadequate for any other kind of people. Right now we really don't have a moral and religious society, unfortunately. And I agree with you. That's, of course, if we could snap our. fingers, like we would change the hearts of the people so that they are inclined toward God. Like we all want that kind of spiritual revolution to happen, that kind of reawakening. But it doesn't have to be either or. We can pray for that. We can work toward that. We can hope for that. We can live that out in our homes. But God has also instituted the government. Romans 13,

we see that. There is a reason for laws. There is a reason for the government. There is a reason for the state. And as you said, it must be used to pursue justice to constrain evil and to promote what is good. That is straight up biblical. And it's also what happens to be good for everyone, too. Liz, that is so powerful. I am so excited for your book that's already doing super well. I encourage everyone to go out and get it. They can get it wherever books are sold, right? You can. You can go to hideyourchildrenbook.com, hideyourchildrenbook.com or Amazon Barnes & Noble or anywhere else that books are sold. I appreciate everyone picking up this copy. I think you will find it to be a lot. There's a lot of information in there, but my hope is that once you read this, you are

inspired for the fight. And these are the tools that we have been asking for for decades for how to actually retake our country from these Marxists. Hide Your Childrenbook.com. Hide your childrenbook.com. Liz, thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Thanks, Allie. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we

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