Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 884 | Sex Change Regret: Why the Surgeries Never Work | Guest: Scott Newgent

Episode Date: October 4, 2023

Today we're talking with Scott Newgent, founder of TReVoices and outspoken advocate against child transgender "treatments." Most famously, Scott was an interviewee in Matt Walsh's documentary "What Is a Woman?" where she surprised audiences by being a "trans man" standing up against the trans agenda. Scott shares her story of deciding to transition, from being affirmed that she was a man later in life to getting multiple surgeries that have now left her in a complicated health situation. We talk about the activist business model and why she believes the trans agenda is far different from pre-2015, when people were advocating for the legalization of gay marriage. We cover whether she regrets transitioning and why she doesn't care what pronouns people use for her. We'll also ask the question: Will people ever wake up from this and start protecting kids? --- Timecodes: (01:25) Life since 'What is a Woman' (03:22) 'Transition' story (13:10) Commonalities among 'trans' people / trauma (17:55) Detransitioners (19:19) Health problems from surgeries (25:30) Activist business model (30:52) Fitting in and why kids have no chance (32:16) Surgeries (38:10) Complications (40:30) "I will always be a trans man" (44:08) Do you regret transitioning? (48:37) Pronouns (54:30) Will people wake up? --- Today's Sponsors: A'Del — go to adelnaturalcosmetics.com and enter promo code "ALLIE" for 25% off your first order! CrowdHealth — get your first 6 months for just $99/month. Use promo code 'ALLIE' when you sign up at JoinCrowdHealth.com. Jase Medical — get up to a year’s worth of many of your prescription medications delivered in advance. Go to JaseMedical.com today and use promo code “ALLIE”. Brave Books — go to BraveBooks.com and get BRAVE’s newest book free when you subscribe to their Freedom Island Book Club! Use code ALLIE to get a FREE book and 20% off your subscription. --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day Show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Scott Nugent has become a prominent voice against the medical transition of children. Scott went through the medical transition process eight years ago and is very open about the complications and the deeply felt regret held because of those surgeries. We get into all of it. Scott's transition, the danger these procedures pose not just to minors, but also to adults and pronouns. Scott presents as a man but is a woman. So what does this mean when it comes to pronouns and identity and things like that? There are many things on which Scott and I disagree. Anyone who has listened to relatable who knows me will be able to detect where in Scott's answers, I don't necessarily align.

But I wanted you to hear her story, her perspective. You already know mine. It's a very fascinating conversation that I know that you're going to be educated by, but also hopefully emboldened by too. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use Code Alley. And check out that's good ranchers.com code Alley.

Scott, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. I really appreciate it. Absolutely. Thanks for having me, Ellie. Yeah. So a lot of people know your name from Matt Walsh's documentary, Although you've been talking about your transition for longer than that. What's it been like, though, since the documentary came out for you?

Well, it's been nuts, quite frankly, thousands of emails and text messages from parents all over the world that are dealing with medicalization of children and thankful that, you know, I spoke up and Matt speaking up and other people are speaking up. It's been a roller coaster, quite frankly, yeah. Yeah. And did you expect the reaction that you got? Because, I mean, on the documentary, just for people who don't know, you talk about the medical complications that you've had to endure because of your transition, were you surprised at just the outpouring of support and questions and stuff that you've received? Yes.

You know, I've been doing this for almost five years now. I mean, it helped with like the first bill in South Dakota, you know, for, so I've been doing this for quite a long time. And I was asked to be in a lot of different documentaries. And I say no to a lot of things. I don't think people realize that there's a lot of people that want all this attention. I was never one. I felt like it was a duty.

You know, I got really sick and kind of made a promise with God that if I was here from my kids, I would do this. And so this is a very core. It's very personal to me. It's about my kids, basically. So when I was approached about what is a woman, I didn't know who Matt was. I don't look into stuff. I just let my gut tell me what to say yes to and what to say no to. And that was a firm, firm yes for me.

And I didn't know. I mean, as soon as it came out, everybody's like, oh, Matt Walsh is famous. I'm like, what, the Jewish guy with a huge beard? So you didn't know. I had no clue. You didn't know. And just FYI, Matt is Catholic. So just kind of making a joke there.

Okay, so a lot of people because of that and because of just probably following you since then or maybe even before that, they know your story, but a lot of people don't. Yeah. So just take us back. Tell us who you are and why you do what you do. Well, at 42, I started the medicalization process. And I was kind of in a vulnerable place in my life. I was married to a woman who was a Catholic and very, very religious and never wanted to be, and who wants to be gay, by the way, but never really accepted it and always kind of soothed herself with the idea that, you know, she's not a lesbian.

And it's just me. I was born in the wrong body. And I was a man. And she had said that to me for years, like joking. Like, you know, you lock the door. It's just like, you know, my ex-husband or something. You know, men do that. And it was just, it was a joke, right? Your partner would say this to you. Yeah. Okay. And it was a joke, you know, all the way around. It wasn't anything that was, she wasn't being horrible about it. She's not a horrible person. But it was a way to kind of soothe herself, right? And I got to a pretty vulnerable place in our relationship where, you know, she was going to have to tell her family about me, all that kind of stuff. And, you know, we were watching, I think, what is it? Like, Caitlin Jenner had a reality show, you know, Jazz Jennings. Oh. And just we were watching it, you know, on a couch, just kind of like this. And I just looked at her and went, God, maybe I was born in the wrong body. And she was like, yeah.

And I was like, well, I don't know. Let's go see a therapist. And the next week we were in front of a trans woman therapist who, you know, said, how long have you been dressing like a man now? If you knew me before I medically transitioned, you would think that was a joke. I mean, I used to do hair and makeup in my early 20s. It's how I got into business sales. So, but I was at a vulnerable place, right? And so that one sentence. And why were you at a vulnerable place? I was at a vulnerable place because of the relationship that I was in. And her family didn't know about me. We had gotten together before and then,

broke up. I left her because I didn't think that she would be able to be in a gay relationship. And I didn't want to kind of pull her apart. And so then she came back and said, I'm okay with it. I'm going to tell everybody. And it was like right at that vulnerable place. And, you know, her son was was pregnant with his wife for the first time. And I remember she was on the phone with him and got off the phone and was like, God, I wonder if I'm going to be able to, you know, see my grandkids. So it was just a very, very vulnerable place. You know, with. You had been out as a lesbian for a while. Absolutely, yeah.

And for, but for her, this was kind of a secret thing. It was a secret thing. And you were afraid you were going to lose this relationship. True. Yeah, I was with a woman who's still my best friend that we had three children with. And that, you know, didn't work at. And we were separated. And so this was my second wife kind of thing.

So it was a very vulnerable place. And, you know, that trans woman that said that, I don't think people realize how vulnerable kids are. You know, at 42, I was a business sales executive. I wasn't, I've never been kind of a meek person. But I remember in that therapy room, again, I was on a couch like this. And I remember she said that and I was looked down and then I looked up and I, you know, looked at my wife and then I looked at the therapist and I was like, I guess all my life, I guess. You know, and I remember for the for two weeks after that it was a really really hard place to be at like I was a joke like for my entire life I'd walk by somebody and then go yeah that's Kelly I think that's a dude she doesn't know it

and so after that initial period after a couple of weeks I started to think wow what would my life have been like if I was born male and I thought to myself well you know I started school early at four in kindergarten. The teacher started reading a book, you know, and all the parents were there, you know, because it was the first day. And I, you know, walked up, grabbed the book and said, your inflections are wrong. And I proceeded to read it. So I've always been a very strong personality. You know, our father, my sister's here, was a professional athlete, you know, play baseball and then, you know, road motorcycles, just kind of like the Marlboro Man, kind of a thing. And, you know, for me, I was also an athlete. So over the

aggressive, a good athlete, very strong dominant personality, same-sex attracted, that type of stuff. And so it made it so that I was on the outs as a child. And so when basically I had this revelation that I was born in the wrong body, I kind of interjected the different gender. And I went, God, my life would have been gone from awkward to, you know, oh, I mean, the male that every man and woman would want you know the athlete and everything that was hard would have turned easy and so it was at that point i couldn't i couldn't let go of that and that's what's happening to these kids so when you sat in front of the therapist which you said was a trans woman and i always kind of have to translate that people ask me wait what is trans woman what does trans man mean that is a male

who is presenting as a man yes so said to you how long have you been dressing like a man you never thought about yourself dressing like a man and had you and I wasn't yes right and so did you ever have before that I know you said you were same-sex attracted but did you ever have gender confusion at any point that you can remember like did it ever come to your mind before maybe I am supposed to just be a man well gender confusion is is kind of a it's a something I wouldn't say because most people that medically transition understand what gender is it's a want it's a desire It's cosmetic surgery. So to kind of reframe that for you.

So had I ever wanted to be a boy as a child, you bet. You know, I remember talking about kindergarten again. You know, right around that time when I turned five, my uncle's like, what do you want for Christmas? I was like, well, Uncle Kenny, I would like to be a boy. And he goes, well, you can't be that. Do you want a briefcase? You always said you don't like carrying a back. Do you want a briefcase?

Yeah. So I got to, you know. that kind of thing. So yes, there was, there was a desire. There was always a kind of a realignment with me. Like, don't be that aggressive and don't do this and don't do that. And so it was just natural for me to go, God, I just wish I was a boy. But reality is reality, right? So when a therapist said that to you, did something kind of click or like, what was that feeling initially? Did it feel like, wow, he just told me something that I've always wondered, is that true about me?

Or were you a little offended by it? Embarrassed. Embarrassed. I felt stupid. Like everyone knew something that you didn't know about yourself. And then after that initially wore off and I kind of replaced my life as a male. It all made sense. Instead of, you know, and I wasn't in a place to basically compartmentalize and kind of step back in that and say, wait a second.

maybe I'm not wrong. Maybe human beings, males and females, come all different ways. There's not one way for a woman to be a woman and there's not one way for a man to be a man. So maybe these gender stereotypes, which are legitimate, I think, because most females kind of fit in this and most males fit in that. But what about the 30% that don't? Maybe we need to broaden our horizons on what men and women are and, and, and, the differences and not try to stereotype people so much. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles,

faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want to. honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever

you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. When I was growing up, I didn't want to wear dresses. I was very embarrassed by the idea of frills and bows. Yeah. Did you not know that? I did know. Thanks for the revelation.

Okay. You're welcome. I only wanted to wear jeans and a t-shirt. I liked like bugs and snakes and things like that. You're definitely a boy. Yeah. And so, but I'm just, I'm thankful. I'm thankful that that was never a question and that no one, like my parents kind of

just let me do that and be that. And of course, my mom still wanted me to wear dresses. I was the only girl. I had two older brothers. But I do really worry about the young people today who, when they venture outside of the stereotype at all, like you were just talking about, well, they're immediately, their identity is questioned. who they are is questioned. And that's like a very scary and difficult place to be, especially for a

child. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah. So these children that are medically transitioned, people in general that are medically transitioning, whether or not people are offended by reality or not reality's reality, right? So children who believe that they're born in the wrong body have what's called comorbidities. Some people don't like that because of the same sex. So we'll call them commonalities. And those commonalities are not just every once in a while. They're in everybody that medically transitions. And those commonalities are same-sex attracted. So we have 42% of these boys would grow up to be, you know, homosexual males or same-sex

attracted, not giving them, you know, the right to decide what they want to do with that. You know, that's just, you know, we're going to transition you for that. Same-sex attracted, of course, autism. we are usually mentally gifted, mentally ill, or we have some kind of trauma. So all of the things that the evangelicals talked about with homosexuality that seemed to, it's not true. I mean, it doesn't matter how much you don't want to be same-sex attracted. It's not going to go away with talk therapy.

You can decide to do something. But all of those talk tracks and all of that carnage and pain that was created from that, we have a society that thinks that transgenderism and homosexuality are the same thing. And what I like to say is flip that. And what the evangelical said about homosexuality is absolutely unequivocally 100% true about transgenderism. And that's the truth. Yeah, you touched on trauma. That's something, you know, I've talked to several detransitioners.

And that is, I don't think I've talked to a single female detransitioner who was not, sexually harassed or sexually assaulted. Absolutely. And you've talked openly about that, about your sexual assault when you were a teen, right? Yep. And so tell us, like, do you think that that affected your thoughts about sexuality and gender and then your eventual transition? Well, sure.

And that's a slippery slope, right, Ellie, because then we're correlating, you know, same-sex attraction to trauma. And then all of a sudden, we've got to divide and prosper, right? We've got a society that, you know, you have to feel this way. or that way. And the truth is somewhere in the middle on that. So to answer your question about that, I think that that's a huge thing. I think that there's a lot of people that do have trauma, that kind of, you know, try to heal themselves with same-sex attraction or being different, that kind of stuff, not all. And those people that do that need to get therapy and, you know,

be who they are, which is straight. Now, there are some people that are same-sex attracted, and I believe that they're born that way. So that's a gray area, right? So as society, we need to stop doing that. We need to stop doing the, you know, divide and prosper, the, you know, they just crossed the left. You know, that kind of stuff. That's a good business model thinking that way, black and white. But that black and white thinking has made our society have a huge blind spot where we're butchering.

And I mean this, literally, butchering an entire generation of children. mind, body, and soul because of that blind spot. With a process, there's no study that says it's beneficial for these kids. There's seven studies that came out and said they were beneficial, all been retracted or modified with not enough time, not enough participants. But those are the pamphlets that are being handed to these parents, that medical transition is a miracle cure. When there's only one long-term study that was ever done in Sweden from 1973 to 2003. And they found that you're more suicidal after, but seven to ten years. That's a long time because medical processes is a long journey, right? Well, try to find that online. Try to find any of anything online.

And all you're going to find is, you know, unicorn farts and glitter bombs from the LGBTQ. And there's a reason for that. So to answer your question, about trauma and people that correlate that. Well, trauma and transition specifically. Maybe I made a mistake saying a sexuality because I really just mean it seems like a lot of these girls that I've talked to, they will even say I was running away from my body. And I didn't like being objectified. And I thought that if I didn't have breasts anymore, then maybe I would be less vulnerable.

Absolutely. Did that play into your thinking at all? No. but I understand how it happens with girls. Now, do I think trauma might have had something to do with it? Probably. Am I aware of it? No.

These girls, it's maybe fresh on their mind. So I don't know for sure. But these children that you talk about, these detransitioners, it's a really, really, really red button for me. You know, when I was in, what is a woman, I hadn't been on testosterone for 17 months. Yeah. Didn't take testosterone for over two years. That is detrans, what you saw there. And so we're taking these girls at 11 who have, let's say, autism.

So they don't fit in. They're socially awkward. They don't know how to interchange with people. And then girls, we expect them to have this kind of like flirtatious thing. They don't know how to do that. They don't fit in at all. And then we have medical professionals and people telling them that they're born in the wrong body. They get to celebrate that.

And then they get to be 18 or 19 years old and realize, oh my God, I've got, you know, I've got bone issues. I've got heart issues. I can't have kids. I'm actually straight. But now I look like a man. So I'm going to be in a gay relationship for the rest of my life. And now I'm going to kill myself. And then they get on Twitter. And they have evangelicals and conservatives and, you know, feminists lifting them up. You know, if you detrans, you're going to feel better. And then they go on the circuit and they get lifted and then they get dropped because they go to the grocery store and get served for the rest of their life. So the humanity of what's happening to these kids all the way around. It's not the right. It's not the left. It's human beings. It's society that's letting these girls down. We're letting the detransitioners down too. And tell me about, let's go back to your story.

And I know you shared about this on what is a woman, but talk about your medical transition. So after that, you said for a couple weeks there after the therapist, you, you know, felt like, oh, my gosh, has everyone known this thing about me that I didn't know? You said that you were embarrassed. And so was it a pretty quick line from there that you said, okay, I am going to try to present as a man? This is so funny because people don't believe me, but it's absolutely the truth. It was, wow, I wonder if I was born in the wrong body. Next week, therapist. Next week, hormones.

Wow. Next week, appointment for the plastic surgeon for the top surgery. Four weeks later, I had my first surgery. Wow. Really? Where they cut my bladder. Yeah, it's just it's been a nightmare like okay. Yeah. So we're going to do a hysterectomy in a in a top surgery and they nicked my bladder on top of they had me on a medication called Contrae,

which is an opioid inhibitor, which means that you could give me tons of pain medication. I won't feel it. It's like water. So I had my first three surgeries basically like medieval times waking up with a Tylenol. Yeah, it was, it, post-traumatic stress, I always thought it was not real. It's real. Yeah. Wow. So this happened all within a month.

Like, what is your partner thinking? What are your different family members, your siblings? What are they thinking? You know, I can't speak for my sister or my family. But I think a lot of them saw me struggle so much with, with being a lesbian. I didn't want to be. And we have this kind of celebrating society right now. within the LGBTQ, which is wrong. There's nothing to celebrate with being homosexual. It's hard.

It's hard to do. And we need to accept people better with that. But what we don't need to do is promote it. Or it's not a recruiting agency, right? So my family had seen me suffer with that. And they wanted to believe just like I did. And they also just wanted to support me. So I got some pushback from, you know, from my sister a little bit. But, you know, after she knew I wasn't going to give in, she was like, all right, let's rock it, little bro. So. Yeah. Okay. And then tell me like what your life has been like since. And you said that was how many years ago that you started the medical transition? 42. So eight years. So in eight years, I've had seven surgeries. I've had a pulmonary embolism, a stress-induced heart attack. I have had. a reoccurring infection that, I mean, to the end, I had an IV sick tube or pick tube or whatever

in my heart because I had to work finding out that, hey, you know what, medical transition is experimental. Nobody in my state that I trust can do this than the person that hurt me. So I have to get insurance to fix this. So I would go to work for five days and then go in the hospital and the ER and then I would check out, you know, and then after I would check out, the doctor finally said to me, you know, we're just going to have to put this in your arm because you're going to check out tomorrow, aren't you? I said, yeah, I got to go to work. So, you know, so much stuff. I have a, I have a handicapped arm for life. I had a ligament protruding through it. I've had sepsis. I've lost my house, my car, my home. To pay for all the. Yeah, everything. I've lost absolutely

everything. And here I am on this circuit. What I don't think people realize is, you know, I wasn't paid for what is a woman. I'm not paid a dime. I'm doing this because at the end of this, I realized that I was dying. And I woke up on the bathroom floor in my own urine and blood. And I realized I was dying. And I celebrated that. You know, I was accepting that until I thought of my kids. And so nobody knew what was wrong with me. And I made a promise with God at that moment that if I could figure out what was wrong with me, if they could fix me, if I could be here. for my children, I would do what I'm doing. And so it's the reason why people listen to me is because I'm sincere. I have no other agenda. I don't sign on with politicians to make

$10,000 speeches here or there. I do this in a basement, in a moldy basement. I've got $200 to my name. You know, and I'm traveling back and forth and, you know, paying for taxes. I'm doing that for my kids. So all people see is a mom. Tell us a little bit more because so many people just they don't know. They don't know what all of this entails. So you said within weeks, you had the hormones and you had the surgery. When you, was there any moment in there that you said, like maybe after you started hormones that you said, whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on a second. Yeah. What am I doing? Absolutely. Absolutely. The affirmation model is very, very dangerous. Yeah. I remember the first surgery. had where they cut my bladder. I remember just thinking, you know, I just... That was the first. That was before top surgery? Yeah, that was my first surgery. I remember looking at my wife just saying, I just wish she would just say it's okay. I love you just the way you are and we'll get through this. And I remember them calling me, sir, like the whole idea of

sir, looks so female. And it was like, I remember they gave me the medication. I was thinking to myself, that's wrong. That's wrong. So yeah, there was a whole bunch of that. Right. But you can't challenge that if society in general just kind of acquiesce to everything because nobody wants to hurt anybody's feelings. Because the LGBTQ plus has turned into a recruiting perverted agency. I mean, and let's talk about, can we talk about that for a minute? Sure. Of the why. You know, Ali, what I didn't realize is that activism is a business. I had no clue. Seriously, I had no clue. I had no clue that, you know, if you have 20,000 followers on Twitter, and if you keep screaming the way I do, you'll get kicked off, and then you won't get monetized and make money, so I didn't modify my words or anything, or I didn't do anything that you were supposed to do to get to be where I'm at.

I did what was right because it was the right thing to do. But I've learned that activism is a business, right? So in 2015, what happened within the gay and lesbian community? We got all of those rights that every human being deserves, which I call righteous rights. It doesn't matter how somebody feels about homosexuality. Totally okay with me on that. But every human being deserves to love another adult and be respected. You've been with a partner for 30 years.

They're dying in the hospital. Nobody should be able to kick you out. You should be able to work where you want to work. without being fired because of your sexuality. And you should live where you want to live without being, you know, work, live, love, right? And we won those rights in 2015 and we won those rights by helping society

understand that we weren't a recruiting agency. Those were all the three things that we wanted. And so in 2015, we won those worldwide, right? What happens to activists? What happens to activism? Well, organizations like the LGBTQ or Stonewall in 2015 in the UK filed bankruptcy in 2015. Because there's nothing else to fight for. There was no more donations coming in.

In 2016, they had a 32% year-over-year growth. Now, you're in this business. That's significant for any type of organization that does donations that gets government funding. And the only thing that they did was, sign on with Mermaids. Now, Mermaids is an organization that is the sole focus of medicalizing children. So the new activist business model of the LGBTQ was to push children to medically transition. And in the process, all the decent gays and lesbians, regardless of how you feel, went home to raise our kids. And so what kind of started to infiltrate into the LGBTQ? Perverts, money mongers,

you know, medically transitioning children. So we have this huge organization. We have a huge blind spot in our society where people think that the LGBTQ is a good organization. All artists and singers and actors, they all want to get on that. Everybody wants to be on that train. And they are the worst organization in the world right now. And everybody is afraid to say it. And people won't understand that until people like me. Double quoted on the rainbow, lesbian, trans man.

I'm over 50 some. maybe three times. I am the rainbow until we stand up and start to say what is going on. The truth is not a lot of us know what's going on that are decent. The majority of gays and lesbians are decent, but I want these people to stand up. They need to know what's going on. So do you think that you felt, even though obviously you weren't a child, you were an adult, but you said you started this process and you definitely second guessed.

But did you kind of feel pressured by how ubiquitous this message was from LGBTQ activists that, yes, you can be born in the wrong body? Yes, if you present masculine at all, then you must really be the opposite sex or the opposite gender or whatever. Like, do you think that's part of why you just kept going? And only males locked doors at night too. So just kind of the ridiculousness of it, right? Well, Allie, everybody wants to fit in. Everybody does. And when you really, really, really, really don't, everybody thinks that they don't. But when you really, really, really don't and somebody tells you that you can, it's too powerful to take away from a 42-year-old business sales executive. These children have no chance, none. And we're getting near the seven to ten-year mark. Well, guess what's happening? All these detransit that everybody's lifting and pointing, by the way, when they're lifted by conservatives, when they're lifted by evangelicals, when they're lifted by

feminists, all not feminists, when they're lifted by those people and standing next to them as an angelical and standing next to them as a detransitioner, the people that need to hear that message, all they hear is, I used to be gay, God cured me. So you're only speaking to the people who already agree with you. And what are you doing when you're lifting with the I'm right, you're wrong? donations, donations, donations. So we have all this influx of all this donations. Yet me, my son just signed up for a volleyball competitive class. I'm going to have to tell them no because I'm saving other people's kids because I refuse to give in because I'm a mother.

You mentioned some of the complications that you had from the procedures. Obviously the first one, hysterectomy, they nicked your bladder, which I'm sure was, extremely painful. Then you have top surgery. Then you had a phalloplasty. Well, I had, I had two bottom surgeries, actually. Okay. So can you tell us a little bit about that? Which one? Any and all? All surgeries? Well, not, I think you said that you've had 15 surgeries over the past several years, but the seven. Seven. Okay, seven. Okay, sorry. Tell us about, like, tell us about, okay, so after the hysterectomy, you healed, eventually. And then you had top surgery after that?

About six weeks later, yes. Six weeks? Wow. That's not much recovery time. Yeah, and a full hysterectomy. Now I've had twins and I had a partial hysterectomy. So I had a full hysterectomy. Okay.

And top surgery. But how did you feel after the top surgery? Well, you know, I had always had a little bit of, I wanted it to be real. Do you get that I wanted to be born in the wrong body? I wanted it because it all made sense. It fixed everything. So I didn't want to get rid of that. But I had doubt.

But I was too busy, you know, convincing everybody I was born in the wrong body, you know. And I had doctors doing the same things because at that point, insurances weren't paying for it. And we could write a check for it, right? So I got all this information. I mean, the gynecologist that did my hysterectomy on my first appointment I walked in. And he goes, have you ever been tested for intersex? because you have a really strong jaw line. And I was like, no.

And that, you know, instant affirmation. Yeah. For me, there are some people, we don't know. It's all experimental, by the way. Medical transitions, all experimental and cross-sex hormones. For me, it took me a couple of weeks, six weeks, eight weeks, before things I started to look male. I mean, there's people that are on testosterone for years that still look like

Butch lesbians. For me, it was like, you know, my body just soaked it up. So there's another affirmation. Right. Yeah. And then, you know, after the first surgery, what am I going to do then? Right. I've lost. Like there's no going back. Where do I go from here? Yeah. So. And then you decided to have the surgery that a lot of people who identify, who call themselves trans men, don't end up having because of the complications of it. And that is the falloplasty. Yeah. And you already mentioned. I think some complications that you've had from that is that the arm injury that you have. Okay, can you tell us about that? Well, the fallioplasty is, is experimental. And so we have, and this is the honest to God truth. I know people don't want to know the truth,

but here's the truth. We've got all the surgeons that aren't really good. All you have to have is a surgeon plaque. And you can do, you know, you can do transgender, top surgery, bottom surgery, every surgery. The fallioplasty is one of the most difficult surgeries that you can have. The level of difficulty is up there. I know this now, after research, is up there with like brain surgery.

So you want the best surgeons in the world conducting these surgeries. That's not where you're getting. What you're getting are, you know, people that did appendix removals making $250,000 a year. Like that can be

millionaires. This is a very, very, very difficult surgery. It's, it is enormously taxing, emotionally, physically, spiritually, a 67% complication rate. And we're not talking about complications like, you know, maybe an infection here or there. We're talking loss of genitals. We're talking about colostomy bags. We're talking about failure after failure after failure. So you've had a lot of complications since then. Oh, do you want to talk about complications? Okay. Yeah. If you're comfortable, I get a reoccurring infection. I've started something that's kind of prolonging it, and I'm on infection or I'm on antibiotics probably a couple times a year, four or five, probably every three months. It's kind of expanding out with some things that I'm doing.

But someday this will kill me. I will get an infection. My body will become numb to the antibiotics, and I'll die from it. So on top of basically having to, you know, raise kids and work and make a living and all that kind of stuff, I'm sick a lot of the time. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sure that's really hard. Do you know, I mean, have the doctors ever told you this is going to cut X number of years off your life? Or you just kind of know through deductive reasoning that one day there will be an infection that will kill you?

Yeah. So I did a speech in Tennessee. I was working from home because I had PTSD. I hadn't left my house for three years when I did that interview with what is a woman in New York of all places. Yeah, yeah, I left your house three years. Let's go to New York. So I forgot my, I forgot where I was there. That just. That's okay. We were just, you were talking about on what is a woman. I remember you saying. a similar thing, you were saying, you know, I'm going to die from this infection. And I think you said maybe something along the lines of you may have cut like 15 years off your life or something like that. Well, medical transition in general, cross-sex hormones cut people's life, not just mine. They cut 10 to 15 years off of everybody's life who starts them. And the earlier you get on them, the more they cut off from that perspective. So the complications of medical transition, that's the first thing. is, you know, cutting your life short. Mine is, you know, has to do with the falloplasty and the

infections and, you know, the kind of the emotional and stress of just knowing that it's always there and, you know, failed. And, you know, what are you going to do? You have, over the past few years, I've seen some of the testimonies that you've given, the speeches that you've given your advocacy, I've seen you say that you don't identify as a D-transitioner. You do call yourself a trans man for reason, but also a lesbian, and you call yourself a mother. So talk to me about that, because maybe to some people that might be confusing. Oh, yeah, right? I get that. So I'm a biological woman. I'm attracted to females, woman, lesbian. I medically transitioned, and I call myself a transgender man to help people

understand that medical transition is a one-way road. You change the core of who you are. I will never be not a trans man ever. And the whole the whole detrans, what we're doing is we're setting these girls and boys up to think that, you know, medical transition is, you know, you can just go back and you can't. See, I get those phone calls from the detransitioners when media, not you in general, when you guys are done with them. I get the calls with the guns in their mouth. Like, what am I going to do? I look like a 17-year-old boy for the rest of my life. I'm served constantly. I've said that I might want to, you know, medically transition back just to live and life without having to go in the grocery store every, you know, 20 seconds.

Like, hey, where are the cherries? Well, it's over there, sir. No, it's, it's ma'am. I medically transition. I mean, who wants to live like that? Where's the grace and dignity and love for these children without the activism model? Where is that love? Because, you know, as far as I see, conservatives on this side, liberals on this side, both of y'all.

a wrong. Nobody is in the middle saying what about these children? Nobody wants to lose their job or talk about this in their office. Nobody wants to take that investment unless it happens to their kid. So my question is, where's the love from society? Does everybody need to wake up in their own urine and blood and know that they're dying and what that would do to their kids for people to have some kind of heart for these children? Why do you think that people, either on the left, or the right. I'm not really defending either side. Obviously, I'm a conservative, but why do you feel that people don't really care about that suffering? Do you think that like conservatives just... I think that people care. I think society cares. Society doesn't know the truth. Who I don't think,

or I think they're pretty smart to get where they're at. You know, if you're a podcaster, or social media or some kind of journalist to not know, I think what happens is that people get the activism bug. People get the famous bug. People get the, I want to make sure I look good bug. Everybody doesn't want to lose that revenue that comes in. All those politicians. Nobody wants to have those hard questions. It's the reason why I do podcasts with like extremely religious evangelicals. And you know, tell me their opinion on homosexuality. And I tell them their opinion, my opinion. And I just go, all right, let's adult better. We agree to disagree on that. I've told you mine. You've told you. Now let's act like adults.

And let's talk about the medicalization of children. Because the truth, Allie, is that this is not going to go away. There's too much money into it. This is going to go away when conservatives, liberals, evangelicals, gays, lesbians, white, black. When people come together and we grab hands and we circle around and we look up to the media and we say, listen, we are all. all here. So you can't call us bigots. You can't call us bigots. Now let's talk about the facts. And the facts tell us that no child should medically transition. It's wrong on an epic scale. You have that 10 minute conversation on a neutral floor. Nobody walks away going, yep, it's still

for medically transitioning kids. I don't care. Who you are, what you believe in. Yeah. And do you regret transitioning as an adult? Yeah, absolutely. If I could go back, I would go back in a second. Then you wouldn't do it. Oh, God, no. No. I would have...

But you do believe it should be legal for adults? To medically transition? Mm-hmm. The same way, you know, it's legal for a woman to get breast augmentation, for Botox, for a man to get hair rplex. It's cosmetic surgery. And so the same precautions that go, because here's another gray area, right? not being black and white. I offend people this way.

There are some people that do medically transition and find a little comfort in it. Walk a little bit lighter in life. Not very many. And that's the truth. Not very many. But those who it does benefit need to have that available to them.

They need to know what it does, what it doesn't do, and anybody that walks into a plastic surgery office and tells the surgeon that, hey, I was born in the wrong body. And if you don't medically transition me or give me hormones, I'm going to kill myself. What they need to be doing is, Sarah, called the paddy wagon. That person needs help.

There are a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic basket. Me too. I got help. What's so wrong with saying that? Why are we in a place where everybody just wants to portray that everybody's great? I'm right and you're wrong and I'm, you know, super successful, got a lot of money and I'm, you know, sane as sane as who's saying i haven't met one have you we're all a little nutty right so so we need to be in a place in society where we have those hard conversations where we need to say that sounds

frutier than fruity-to-tutie no you are born you were not born the wrong body you're a man that likes to wear makeup, wears dresses, you do you. Go for it. And as a society, we need to go, that's a man that likes to wear his dresses

and makeup. He's a little different, but we're going to give him all the dignity and respect that he deserves. But he's not going to go in my kid's locker room. He's not going to play in women's sports.

And he's not going to just basically take over society because he likes that you do you. You know what? You do you. You do that. And as a society, we need to go, you know what? There are people that are all different. All different. And all people deserve dignity and respect. But when you mess with kids, you cross the line. How do you feel? I've seen you talk about this before. But how people address you. Because one perspective is, of course, well, you know, someone might say, well, I'm just going to call Scott a man. He. him because that's how Scott looks. And then there's the other view that I'm more aligned with that if I just saw you and I did know, I would do the same thing, but because I know and because I think

that pronouns are not just a social designation, but something that correlates to a biological reality. That was a really brilliant sentence, by the way. Well, thank you. We pulled that all the other. I appreciate that. So I wouldn't call you, he, him. But I've heard you say that that that That's not really something that you care about. I don't. There's so many other things in life to deal with. Here's the truth about pronouns in general. That work's already done.

You don't need to redo that. You know, generations and generations of evolution of, you know, of, you know, hundreds of years have told us as soon as we see somebody or hear somebody's voice, we say male or female. It's already done. asking somebody to go against what they see in here is narcissistic. It's sociopathic. Every time you have a conversation with somebody, it's like reading, you know, it's like writing a novel with your left hand when you're right-handed.

You have to catch yourself all the time. He, she, she, she, she, she. So for me, I'm totally okay with people calling me female pronouns because I am. But I do know that they're making a point because nobody in a grocery store is going to come up and go, hello, ma'am, how are you? can I carry your bags? Right. You know, so for me, you do what you need to do to make whatever point that you need to make. But I made the choice to medically transition.

It's a choice, cosmetic surgery. So I'm not going to tell you what to call me. You call me what makes you feel comfortable. What helps you, what sits in your soul. And that's called adulting better, right? Why do you think there is so much conflict in uproar about pronouns? And I'm talking like men, actual men who make very little effort to even look female will get completely outraged. You know that answer, though. Don't. You're not being. You're not dumb. I want to hear what you think. You want to hear from me. Okay. All right. So here's another truth. If you investigate into this pretty far. You'll find that most of the people that are pronoun warriors are going to be trans women. And there is a sexual fetish called on a guy.

Gina, I can never, I can never, I know you knew it. Can't throw me under the best of that. Yes. So that is a sexual fetish. And that fetish basically is men who are turned on by the idea of being a woman, by being a sexual objectified. By being objectified. It's a fetish. So when you see a man with a six inch beard, red lipstick, you know, offended by calling them a man. What you're doing is, is you are, you're ruining his erection.

So that's why he's angry. That's why he's angry. So if we go back here, we're medically transitioning children for money. And we're medically transitioning children so that men don't lose their erections. And that's the truth. That is the absolute truth. Yeah. There is a large sexualization aspect of it that I think a lot of people don't realize,

especially when it comes to these men. And you said it so perfectly that it's not just being turned on by looking like women. It's the sexual object piece. It's the submissiveness piece that they wrongly associate with being female. That, I mean, pornography plays a large part in it. But, I mean, gosh, look at these organizations, W-Path, mermaids. There always seems to be like the strange commonality of the sexualization of children within this, which is part of why I think this is so important.

There's so many different aspects of this. seems, the money, the complication to the medical transition. And then there's the sexualization aspect, especially when it comes to children. And there's so many tentacles of it. It's hard to even know what to attack. It is. And you can't have a conversation about it, right? So to give you an example, on Twitter, I have a speech that I gave. It's got 22 million views on social media. Now, 22 million views on social media. What is a woman came out? It has just under 200 million views when they streamed it, right? So me, little old me, has 22 million views of that speech. That speech was a speech that I gave. It was an evangelical representative that brought a bill the second year in

a row. He got ran through the mud as being a hateful person. Actually, very nice person. If somebody asked him about his opinion on homosexuality, I think they would be surprised about it. But they attacked him so much. And he ran the first bill the wrong way. And I told him. him that. I said, when you run it's the second way, you know, call me. When I touch these bills, they get passed. So he called me. He said, we're going to do a press conference. Can you come? And they started just attacking him, a room full of reporters. I pushed him aside and took over. It was nine minutes, the most powerful speech you will hear on the medicalization of children. Do you know how many mainstream medias have said anything about it? I can guess.

One, and it was the newscaster that was in the room, and it was making fun of me on Twitter. Wow. Do you think they know what they're doing? No. You don't? You think they think they're virtuous. I do. I think that's the problem. I think that's the problem. Do you see people waking up? People are going to wake up. The carnage of the medicalization of children is going to spill so much carnage. I used to get suicidal calls maybe once every month when I first started this. I'm getting them weekly. Really? I'm finding mental health hospitals for these people weekly. The suicide epidemic is coming.

When that carnage spills over enough that mainstream media has to cover it, it's going to stop like that. And here's what's going to happen, Allie. People are going to hate the LGBTQ. The love that we have right now is going to go away. You want to see hate crimes? It's coming. And that's why. And you know what?

We deserve it for not stepping up. We deserve it. that's why we need organizations you know there's you know log cabin organization republicans we've got you know gays against groomers all those kind of things those are people that need to rise up in our society um i was the first one to doing it five years ago now we have organizations that are being lifted these are the people that need to be heard from if we put these people in front of conservative people and vandalicals if we adult better this will stop faster. But if we don't, the carnage will eventually stop this to a point where we will look back

on this like we look back on Hitler in dinner parties where we're all sitting there with her glasses and wine going, God, how did that happen? How did people, you know, click, oh, I'm so glad Hitler's gone or whatever, all that kind of stuff. That would never happen in this society. We are too evolved to let something like that happen. We're not. This is going to be read about the same way in 50 years. How did we butcher an entire generation of children? And we've done it because we haven't adulted better. We need to start. And tell me about you're on a speaking tour, a college campus tour. And college campuses, you know, you want to think are places of critical thinking and free speech. But as we've seen over the past several years, that's not always the

case. In fact, he'll probably receive the most hostility on these college campuses. So tell me a little bit about that. Well, Riley Gaines, who is on the forefront of, you know, stopping trans women in sports, started an organization. And they reached out to me. And she's the first person that I've said yes to on a speaking to her. And I've done that because she's got a genuine heart. And she's strong enough as a conservative, Christian, very, very right person to sign me as a trans man, as a lesbian,

as to adult better. She's the first human being, the first organization, the first place that has basically come to me and I told him what I wanted and I listened to her speeches. She's not hateful. She's not right or left. She has that little gray area and her speeches reason why people listen to her and she's adulting better. She's the first person in five years that I said, okay. So we have some other women in sports that are going to be speaking. So we're

going to be going all over the country, speaking at colleges, all over the country. Maybe I don't even know, it might be worldwide. I don't know. But if you go to my website, scotnugent.com, book of speech, it's going to get built, you know, it's going to get filled up really, really fast, but it's a conversation we need to have. Yeah. Well, thanks so much for what you do. And where can people, I mean, support you, even learn more about your story? There's so many details that you've shared over the years. How can they do that? Well, I've got a website called Scott Nugent, N-E-W-G-N-T. On that website, I don't do a stereotypical. I've had so many people tell me that your website's awful. You need to do this. You need to do that. No, my website is filled

with studies. It's filled with links. Somebody says this to you about, you know, the medicalization of children. Click on this link. This is a study you want to send it to. This is the reason why people, it is not, it's not a friendly website for traffic, for donations, but it's got a lot of information and it's opening up a lot of people's minds. So I would go there. Okay. Great. Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Scott. I really appreciate you taking the time, the courage and your obedience to the call to share these things that you didn't have to do, but you've put yourself out there. You've put yourself out there to do it. It's a worthy cause. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues

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