Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 905 | What's Really Going On in Israel? | Guest: Josh Hammer

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in, conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed. You can watch this D-Day Show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. What's really going on between Israel and Palestine? My guest today, senior editor at large at Newsweek, Josh Hammer, is here to tell us all about it. He's going to take us through some of the history of the Jewish state. And he is also going to give us some insight into what is really going on, help us separate fact from fiction as well as discuss how this conflict is affecting relations here in the United States. A lot going on. We're not going to be able to get to

Starting point is 00:01:10 it all today. I also want to make sure that I give you my own Christian perspective and also talk about this from a theological standpoint, an eschatological standpoint. We're not going to be able to get into that today. Hopefully we'll be able to do that next week. So today we're going to look the politics of it, a little bit of the history of it, and hopefully you're going to learn a lot. I learned a lot from Josh, as I always do. This episode is brought to you by our friends at GoodRanchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use code Alley at checkout.

Starting point is 00:01:39 That's good ranchers.com. Code Alley. Josh, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. So as my listeners and viewers know, I have been on maternity leave, so we really haven't had the opportunity to talk about what's going on in Israel. So I want to back up to October 7th, everything that happened that day. Now, a lot of people might be thinking, well, the Middle East is always erupting in some kind of violence. Why is this any different?

Starting point is 00:02:16 Why is October 7th so much bigger, so much more monumental to people here in the United States than any of the other days of violence that we hear about going on in the Middle East? Yeah, Allie, it's hard to believe that it's been over a month now. I mean, it feels like it was just yesterday. I mean, you know, you and I were talking off camera before we got rolling here. I'm getting married in five weeks and I'm getting married to. My fiance, soon be wife, is very Israeli. She was born there.

Starting point is 00:02:44 Her oldest brother actually lives in the city of Netivote, which is like three to four miles from Gaza. So, you know, this hit home in a very personal way. And in many ways, kind of the painful memories of that initial weekend are very much still fresh there. I think it's different from a lot of other Middle Eastern conflicts for, many different reasons. One is, you know, a lot of the conflicts, as horrific as they are from a humanitarian perspective, and to be clear, many, these conflicts are truly horrific. I'm thinking here of the civil war in Yemen over the past seven, eight, nine years between the Houthi rebels, which are backed by Iran and then the Saudi-backed government there. I'm thinking of the civil

Starting point is 00:03:21 war in Syria from Bashar al-Assad, a total madman that has resulted in an astronomical number of deaths, roughly half a million or so. A lot of these are sectarian conflicts that really kind of do pertain, I think, to the broader Muslim world. You know, Sarah Palin back on the day, not a name that we invoke very often anymore, but back in the day, she was commenting in the Syrian Civil War, and she kind of had a funny, snarky quip. She basically said, let Allah sort it out. And for many of these kind of sectarian conflicts, there's actually a lot of truth to that

Starting point is 00:03:51 position. Not all of these actual tragedies really do directly implicate the United States national interest. However, when you have 1,400 Israelis murdered, murdered in cold blood by a child. a U.S.U. internationally recognized terrorist organization, which is Hamas. Hamas is indistinguishable from al-Qaeda, ISIS, and the other kind of genocidal Islamist death cult. They make very clear what they stand for in their 1988 founding charter where they call for the annihilation of Israel, the death of all Jews, and ideally the death of all infidels. That's the term that the radical jihadists use to refer to Jews, Christians, really anyone who is not of their particular persuasion. When you had 1,400 Israelis murdered, thousands more injured,

Starting point is 00:04:31 and 240-ish hostages taken, by the way, at least 15 to 20 of whom are United States citizens, thus making this on its own terms, the largest United States American hostage crisis, at least since the 1979 Tehran hostage crisis after the Mullahs rose up to take power and deposed the Shah back in Tehran. This is a really big deal for the United States here. Israel is obviously one of our closest allies in the world for many different reasons. We work with them extraordinarily closely when it comes to intelligence, security. I mean, essentially any two ways that or any ways that two countries can be close to one another,

Starting point is 00:05:09 we have that relationship with Israel. So it's a very big deal. It is obviously a monumental tragedy for Israel, which is a very small country. 1,400 Israelis dead as a proportion of the Israeli population translates to almost 50,000 dead Americans. So, you know, do the math. That's like 16-9-11s if you really want to kind of go to an apples-to-apples comparison here. But again, the fact that many people, you know, American citizens were killed, the fact that at least 15 and 20 Americans, possibly more than that,

Starting point is 00:05:35 are currently held hostage and the fact that we have such a close relationship with Israel really does make this, I think, a profoundly American issue in many ways. Also, by the way, Ali, you know, there's been a number of attacks on American military bases in Iraq and Syria over the past few weeks from Iranian-backed militias. Iran, of course, being the head of the snake, they fund Hamas, they fund Hamas, they fund a lot of these Shiite militias in Iraq that are attacking U.S. soldiers and Marine Station there in the Middle East. So, you know, unfortunately, some level of U.S. involvement, obviously falling well short of boots on the ground, but some level of U.S. involvement here, unfortunately, I think, is necessary. On October 7th, the images that I saw

Starting point is 00:06:16 were of these paragliders, Hamas, flying into a concert, right? Flying into a music festival, landing on the ground there, murdering people, raping women. And, than murdering them. That's what the eyewitness testimony tells us. What's been unbelievable to me, and we can put up some of the images on YouTube when we have them, but is actually seeing that paraglider used here in the United States by some radical professors by some progressives as a symbol of liberation, like the outline of a paraglider, like a symbol of resistance of oppression. and of colonial power. So it seems like some people are outright saying that that attack on October 7th and everything that it entailed, the horrific raping of women, the murder of innocent

Starting point is 00:07:12 concert goers was actually justified in the name of resisting the oppression of Israel. And I know that the people here on the left, that they've got wild ideas. I understand that that they're extremely violent in a lot of ways. I even was shocked by the people. that. I was shocked that there were professors, people willing to stand up and say, yeah, that paragliding attack on October 7th on Israel, totally justified. I mean, what do you think about that? You know what it reminds me of, Ali, actually? It kind of reminds me of the abortion issue in some ways, because back in the 1990s, the Democrats were ostensibly the Clintonian party of so-called safe, legal, and rare. Then at some point, over the last decade or so, there was a book,

Starting point is 00:07:57 I think her name was Catherine Pollitt, who wrote this book, Shout Your Abortion, It became less of a safe, legal, and rare thing than a positive good to kind of use the language that John C. Calhoun would have used to refer to slavery. It was kind of something to be proud of to promote. And that might not seem apropos to our current conversation, but I think it's actually highly relevant because the conversation on the left when it comes to Israel, the Palestinian conflict, and frankly just Hamas, which again is indistinguishable from ISIS. It is a U.S.-EU recognized terrorist organization. And the conversation on that has shifted from calls for a so-called two-state solution, the Barack Obama proposal of, oh, go back to the 1967 lines, the lines before the Six-Day War, which like all of Israel's wars was a defensive war, the Arabs started that. But at that time, it was still somewhat of an academic debate as to whether this so-called two-state solution with the Palestinian Arabs ought to happen. And just as the abortion debate has shifted from the relative safe ground of safe, legal, and rare to shure.

Starting point is 00:08:56 shout your abortion. So too, has the radical left's violent approach on the Palestinian conflict shifted from the more defensive posture of Israel should make more territorial concessions, two-state solution, all of that, to now they are shouting their abortion, so to speak. They are openly defending the genocide of the Jews of Israel. And frankly, not just the Jews of Israel, but actually just the Jews all around the world. If, you know, if the folks are listening to the to the shouts for extermination, the 1930s era Germany shouts, to gas the Jews that we are increasingly seeing on Ivy League University campuses. I mean, you know, Allie, I don't have words for this stuff.

Starting point is 00:09:33 I mean, it's true that the American University campus has been replete with total radicals for a very long time. That's old hat, right? It's been going on for decades and decades. And the same way than in the late 1960s, you saw some campus radicals fall in love with folks like Angela Davis and all these kind of edgy, far-left figures with kind of checkered rap sheets and criminal history. so too now has the paraglider replaced the Angela Davis era 1960s logo.

Starting point is 00:10:00 But I mean, to call this disgusting and depraved, I think would be an understatement. I mean, like you, I mean, I fought this issue very closely for a whole host of reasons. I have personally been surprised at just how disgusting large swaths of the far left have been. It really kind of caught me off guard. I have not seen this level of open support for a U.S. recognized terrorist organization in a very long time. And you really fundamentally, Ali, I think you kind of have to ask yourself, the same people that are calling Israel a colonialist, which is obviously farcical and nonsensical on its own terms, you're a Christian, you know the history of the Holy Land. The Jews are obviously

Starting point is 00:10:39 the indigenous people. So that argument falls on its face. But you have to wonder that if these same people, they are calling Israel a colonializer or an imperialist, whatever, they had it coming to them. I mean, would these people also defend 9-11 on the exact? exact same grounds that America had it coming because we stole American Indian land and then they should support the jihadist organization. The answer honestly is probably yes. It's terrifying though. Simply terrifying. Yeah. And I just want to read. So this was tweeted out from Israeli author Hinma Zieg, which I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but a lot of people probably follow him. And he released in a testimony that was released by the Israeli

Starting point is 00:11:24 police from a girl who survived the October 7th massacre. And this is really disturbing and I almost hesitate to read it. But I think that there are a lot of people out there who I've just seen equivocate and kind of say that, you know, both sides are equally bad. Both sides need to be equally condemned. The Israel is the same as Hamas. The same things are happening. I just want to read you what happened according to this eyewitness testimony on October 7th. This is one of the most disturbing things I've ever read. So this is a girl saying about her friend. I saw the Palestinians bending her down, raping her, and simply passing her on to the next. She was alive when they raped her. She was on her feet and bleeding from her back. He pulled her hair. He shot her in the head while

Starting point is 00:12:06 raping her, didn't even lift his pants. They cut her breast off and played with it. They just carried around someone's head as if showing strength walked with it like a bag. So when you see professors, there was a resident at Vanderbilt that I saw Lips of TikTok put out. She put out the post that this resident had posted on Instagram and then who this person was. And when I can scroll down to the name, I'll tell you who it was. But she had the logo or the outline, the silhouette of the paraglider. And under it, the text, resistance by any means, necessary. So when I see that phrase, which I've seen at these protests around the world,

Starting point is 00:12:55 resistance by any means necessary, to me, they are condoning. They are justifying, maybe even celebrate, celebrated and glorifying that horrific account that I just told you. They are celebrating the rape, the murder of women, the murder of children in their beds. That's something else that we have heard from eyewitness testimony is happening. That's what they're saying is good, is justified. Any means necessary to resist this quote-unquote colonial power, you're talking about the horrific rape of women that these people are saying, that's fine and dandy to them. Al, you cannot be more spot on. You know, resistance by any means necessary means resistance by any means necessary. I mean, if you are so diluted in the head to think that Israel is kind of the

Starting point is 00:13:44 quintessence of all evil the same way that the Nazis view, the Jews as the quintessence, the Jews, as the quintessence of all evil. If you have that warped, distorted, and frankly evil of a mindset, then it logically follows that you're going to end up supporting Nazi-esque ends. If you accept the ideology of Nazism or its modern-day equivalent, which is radical Islamism, radical Islamic terrorism, jihadism, you know, the Islamist Reich, frankly, has just replaced the Third Reich. If your head is that messed up, then you're going to end up supporting genocide.

Starting point is 00:14:15 You're going to end up supporting extermination. I mean, it's happening everywhere. I mean, on the campus of George Washington University, a school with a very large Jewish population a few weeks ago, the pro-Palestinian group on the side of the library projected in massive letters, glory to our martyrs. I mean, this is literally the rhetoric of the Hamas Youth League. It's happening on, this was in the nation's capital. It's in Washington, D.C.

Starting point is 00:14:41 You know, Russell Rickford, a Cornell University professor, Ivy League professor earlier in the conflict, had this speech where he said, He found what happened exhilarating. He literally said that it was exhilarating to see exactly what you just read, you know, these women being raped. I mean, just to kind of paint another picture, and this is maybe the last, you know, graphic depiction because enough is enough already. But it's probably just worth emphasizing, you know, I'll just say one other story, if I may.

Starting point is 00:15:06 I have a good friend by the name of Johnny Daniels. He's very involved in Holocaust, Remembrance Organizations. And, you know, he heard this other story from one of the Kibu Seam, the settlements near the Gaza border, where the Hamas, jihad has infiltrated the home they put a gun in a man's mouth as they tied his hands behind his back while he was still alive

Starting point is 00:15:26 they then put the couple's baby in an oven turned on the oven they then took the woman they raped her they then murdered the woman all this before in front the man's eyes and only after he had witnessed all of that pulled the trigger to kill him this is the kind of people that were dealing with I mean I don't have words Ali I really don't

Starting point is 00:15:45 to describe these level of actions to call these actions equivalent to animals and barbarians, I think, would be doing a disservice to animals and barbarians. This is the most disgusting stuff in the world. You know, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, who was heavily involved in the U.S. campaign against ISIS in Iraq. He was there in Israel a week or two after October 7th. He said that what he saw was worse than ISIS. Worse than ISIS. Again, I just don't have words for this stuff. Hey, this is Steve Dease. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe

Starting point is 00:16:21 is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day Show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts.

Starting point is 00:16:51 I hope you'll join us. What do you say to people? And it's, I mean, I hate even asking, but I know that there are people out here saying this. I've seen it on Twitter. I've seen it a lot, even from maybe people who profess to be conservatives. But they say, how do we know, you know, how do we know that's true? Which is, of course, is a fair question about anything.

Starting point is 00:17:21 How do we know anything is true? We should always test and verify things. But people saying that that's not true, that Hamas wouldn't do something like that, that that's all propaganda coming out of Israel. Like, what do you say to that? Well, for starters, Hamas sent a lot of videos into the open. They literally executed this one Holocaust survivor grandmother execution style on her knees and then uploaded the video to the grandmother's own Facebook feed.

Starting point is 00:17:48 So, you know, the Nazis alley, the Nazis prefer typically to try to hide evidence of their crime. So for example, I was in Treblink. in Poland about two and a half years ago or so. It's maybe an hour, hour and a half outside of Warsaw. Treblinka was the second deadliest camp for the Jews in inoccupied Poland after Auschwitz. I think roughly a million Jews met their maker, met God there, tragically. And, you know, the Nazis ended up covering up their tracks. It's actually not a whole lot left of the actual infrastructure at Treblinka because the Soviets

Starting point is 00:18:19 were coming in from the Eastern Front. The Nazis, what I'm trying to say is they tried to cover up what they did. Hamas, no such thing. They streamed it literally for the world. They were wearing GoPro cameras. I mean, the paragliders who flew into murder 240 civilians there in that music festival near the God's border were literally wearing GoPro cameras as they had machine guns just trying to take down and shoot anyone on the ground they could. They had no compunction whatsoever. What's more than that, you know, the Israeli government has offered essentially to show the raw footage to any journalist out there who actually wants to see it.

Starting point is 00:18:51 I have not watched it. I think I would be sick to my stomach, frankly, but I do have, I know a lot of people who have watched it. And I think that anyone who works in the media business who wants to see the raw footage, that option is currently on the table. So there's really not a whole lot to these claims. I think, frankly, the people that are asking, oh, you know, did they really behead babies? Well, you know, I guess I would ask this. Let's say they didn't actually behead the baby. Let's say that the baby's head was not just rolling around on the ground, but they actually just shot the baby point blank in the head.

Starting point is 00:19:23 I mean, does that actually make it better? Exactly. Is that really the hill you want to die on? And, I mean, do they have a moral limit? Why wouldn't they? Of course, it's fine to ask, is something true? Is anything true? But I think that from what we know absolutely to be true, as you said, through the materials that

Starting point is 00:19:41 they themselves have published, it's easy to deduce that they would stop at nothing. There's no amount of cruelty that I think they say, that's just a little too far. Ooh, that one's just, that's too much. that baby is too small or that person is too old or that woman is too frail. Obviously, there's not really a moral limit. And I want to go back to something that you said earlier, that it's not really just Israel, that this really does seem like an attack on Jews around the world. And I know some people try to separate, okay, it's just anti-Zionism. It's not anti-Judaism. But that's not what I'm seeing at these protests. That's not what I'm seeing on college campuses. As you know, at Cornell,

Starting point is 00:20:20 the students in the kosher cafeteria there had to hide. There were students in Cooper Union huddled in the library to escape an angry crowd pounding on the doors. This is according to the New York Times. A protester at a rally near New York New York University carried a sign calling for the world to be kept quote unquote clean of Jews.

Starting point is 00:20:41 And then as you mentioned, George Washington University, glory to our martyrs was projected on a building. And so I'm actually saying that Jews everywhere, no matter if they're liberal or conservative, no matter who they voted for, no matter if they categorize themselves as Zionists, that they're all being put into the same category. And it's not just Israelis. And like you said, it's Jews everywhere. It's choose here that they are fearing for their lives, that they can't even go to class in safety for fear of the Muslim and Muslim sympathizing students there, many of them, who are attacking them and harassing them and chasing them and chasing. them down. So, I mean, this is much bigger than just, oh, just a Middle Eastern conflict. I mean, we're already seeing the collateral damage of that conflict here. Alie, one of the terms that you hear from these far left Hamas supporters, Hamas sympathizers, whatever you want to call them, they like the term globalized the intifada. That is one of their favorite terms. And sure

Starting point is 00:21:44 enough, that is what is happening. The intifada, the war against the Jewish state and by extension, the Jewish people and then ultimately after the Jewish people, if you really want to subscribe to jihadist ideology, the war against, once again, all infidels, it's currently being waged throughout America and all throughout the world. I mean, we saw Paul Kessler, who was a Jewish man who was essentially counter protesting, a pro-Palestinian rally. He was murdered. He was murdered in Ventura County, California earlier this week. You know, some people are calling it a homicide. I think they're still waiting for all the details. But based on everything that way, based on everything, that we've seen, it looks a heck of a lot like a murder. We've seen any number of other examples

Starting point is 00:22:24 of this. I mean, just the other day, I was looking at a jewelry store on 40, I think it was in 42nd Street, right in the heart of Manhattan and New York City. It was a Jewish-owned, it might have been in Israeli, I don't remember, it was a Jewish-owned jewelry store, totally vandalized, windows smashed, like crystal knocked in Germany all over again for literally no other reason than the fact that this is a Jewish-owned businesses. You know, speaking from personal experience, Alley, where I live here in South Florida, as a very large Jewish population. every time you go around here, whether it's to a synagogue, a kosher restaurant, Jewish community center, any kind of Jewish infrastructure, I have never seen this level of security in my life.

Starting point is 00:22:59 There are cops everywhere, which is a good thing, by the way, credit to Governor DeSantis, credit to our local authorities for being on top of this. But I think every Jew that I have spoken with over the past month is starting to ask some really difficult questions. You know, I think American Jewry, the American Jewish population for, you know, call it 50, 60 years after the Holocaust, that was kind of the golden age of Jewish life in America. America in the world at large was still suffering, pangs of guilt from what had happened in the Shoah, in the Holocaust there. But the memory has started to fade.

Starting point is 00:23:31 The last generation of Holocaust survivors is now starting to pass away, tragically. And you've also had this rise of a far-left militant intersectional identity politics ideology that says that the Jews are an oppressor class in this intersectional Olympics game. The Jewish state is a colonized. all this stuff, and then you kind of add more fuel to the fire, and you have kind of increasing secularism, you know, the Christians in America, who are, of course, the Jews best friends, you know, declining church attendance. It's this really kind of combustible mix of things, unfortunately, that is now seething wide out into the open before, you know, for everyone to see.

Starting point is 00:24:07 And it ultimately is not about Israel. It really is not. I mean, the notion that it's so-called anti-Zionism is not the same thing as anti-Semitism was always a lie. It was always a lie based on the US State Department's own definition of anti-Semitism, but it has never, ever, ever been shown to be more alive than it has over the past month because whether it's the Cooper Union fiasco, which was something that I don't think I've ever seen in my life. Allie, these Jewish students in Cooper Union in the library had to be evacuated by the NYPD via underground tunnel. This is happening in New York City, for God's sake.

Starting point is 00:24:42 This is the city with the largest Jewish population in the world. I mean, including Jerusalem, Teledy. New York City is a ton of Jews there, obviously. And there are being a, it's just awful stuff. I mean, it's frankly stuff that I just never, ever thought that I would ever see in my entire life. And it's profoundly saddening. And, again, unfortunately, we have no choice but to fight back to the best of our abilities.

Starting point is 00:25:03 Yep. Again, according to the New York Times, that Columbia and Israeli student was physically assaulted on campus near Tulane, a Jewish student's head was bashed with a pole of the Palestinian flag after he attempted to stop protesters from burning an Israeli flag. and then students at Cornell, which we just talked about, live in fear that their peers will actualize anti-Semitic threats. The term Zionist and colonizer have evolved into epithets used against Jewish students. Rondesantis, Governor Ronda Santis, had an interesting suggestion for what he would do. If there was a student here on a student visa who joined in these genocidal protests calling for harassment and the death of Jews, here's what he had to say.

Starting point is 00:25:46 When the blood wasn't even dry on the Israelis who had been massacred, you had people in America going out protesting in favor of Hamas. And that's like very chilling. Some of these people are not U.S. citizens. They're student visas. So as president, if you're on a student visa and you're a foreigner and you're out there celebrating terrorism, I'm canceling your visa and I'm sending you home. I mean, I love it.

Starting point is 00:26:10 What do you think about that? Yeah, I absolutely love this. If you are not a U.S. citizen, if you are here in a visa, then you are ultimately here at our good grace. Yeah. There is nothing whatsoever. The sovereign, which is the United States in this context, the sovereign has the complete and absolute power to kick out anyone who is not a citizen at any time for any reason. You know, as Justice Scalia argued many times, probably most vividly in a 2012 case called U.S. versus Arizona, that is inherent in the right to sovereign. You know, your colleague at Blaze Media Alley, Daniel Horowitz, has written about this at great length in articles over the years as well.

Starting point is 00:26:51 You can kick out anyone who is not a citizen at any time, no matter what the statute says, no matter what the regulation says, again, it is inherent in the very notion of sovereignty. I actually would probably go even further than that. This is where I might lose some people who are even kind of sympathetic to, you know, to my argument and on my side. But I would probably go even further than that. I think what you are dealing with here, Allie, you're dealing with the rise of. of a fifth column of subversive actors who despise America, despise O'Reilly, despise Western civilization, at a level that we have not seen this country

Starting point is 00:27:24 in a very, very long time. It's really in many ways just profoundly disturbing because the global jihad, after the literal fall of the ISIS so-called caliphate, the actual territory in Iraq and Syria, a lot of us thought that this stuff was kind of on the decline. I mean, the Iranian regime, which is the most Islamist jihadist government in the world,

Starting point is 00:27:44 has been, you know, they haven't been quiet, but they haven't been like super, super, super active over the past few years. Yeah, they fund Hezbollah here and there. So things on the jihadist front seems to be going relatively okay. And then this happens. And then we see the people in Sydney, Australia chanting to gas, the Jews, the stuff happening in the streets of Chicago, Deerborn, Michigan. So the global jihad is here again. And the enemy is within us. There are monsters in our midst. And unfortunately, our idiots through their, you know, globalist, liberal, open borders, immigration policies have brought a lot of this into this country. So I say all that as kind of a preface to the fact that I fully support what Governor Sanders is proposing here for kicking people

Starting point is 00:28:22 out on visas who are supporting U.S. recognized terrorist organizations. I actually think that stripping citizenship and denaturalizing people for being open fifth column actors, openly calling for the destruction of America and our allies, openly supporting foreign terrorist organizations. I think that that should probably be on the table as well. There is some precedent for this in the early part of the 20th century, we did this many times for communist sympathizers. That's kind of a whole can of worms that kind of gets into McCarthy and the Red Scare and all that there. But I think the situation is arguably dire enough for even stripping citizenship, depending on the specific person, that that probably should be on the issue or should be on the table as well. But at a bare

Starting point is 00:29:01 minimum, I think, for these student visas, yeah, that's a no-brainer for me. Okay, so Jess, I just want to clarify because there are certainly going to be people who are out there who say, Josh Hammer said that if you criticize Israel, then you shouldn't be an American citizen or you should be stripped of your citizenship. You're not talking about criticizing Israel. That's correct. No, I am talking here about people who have shown an open disdain and open abhorring for America and open support for U.S. recognized terrorist organizations, open violent Hamas supporters who say that they want to see the destruction of America, the destruction of Israel, not talking here about, you know, two-state solution, not even the people that are putting up these horrific, galling, depraved images of the paragliders trying to murder innocent people.

Starting point is 00:29:49 I'm saying that in a specific fact-specific case-by-case incident, if your stance is radical enough where you are effectively calling for the annihilation of America to go back to kind of the 9-11, would you support 9-11 analogy there, I think that something like that probably should be on the table. Again, it would be a fact-specific inquiry. I'm not saying this should have. happen in mass. For the absolute worst of the worst, it probably should be an option. So just to bring it back, I said that there was a Vanderbilt resident who was using this paraglider as a symbol of positive liberation. Her name was Dr. Ayesha Khan. So as we've talked about, obviously the rise, just the open, the open support of terrorist organizations, like you said,

Starting point is 00:30:43 also the rise of antisemitism, just blatant, absolute shameless, not even trying to like nuance it or cover it up or even say, oh, I'm just anti-Zionist. I mean, you've just got people out here saying, clean the world of Jews. It's wild. It is scary. It's wild. Like you said, students having to cower in the library at a university, it's crazy. And yet, Corinne Jean-Pierre, White House spokeswoman, said this.

Starting point is 00:31:10 She said a couple weeks ago, she said, we have not seen any credible threats, blah, blah, blah. And then she says, but there are real dangers to. Islamophobia. So that apparently is the focus. And it's so much the focus that the vice president, Kamala Harris, she just announced just the other day, the first ever U.S. national strategy to counter what? Anti-Semitism?

Starting point is 00:31:34 No, Islamophobia. So here she is announcing that. As a result of the Hamas terrorist attack in Israel and the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, we have seen an uptick in anti-Palestinian, anti-Arab, anti-Semitism. and Islamophobic incidents across America. And so today, I am proud to announce the Biden-Harris administration will develop our nation's

Starting point is 00:31:59 first national strategy to counter Islamophobia. Okay, so she did put antisemitics somewhere in there. She did embed antisemitism in there, but apparently the major focus right now is anti-Arab, anti-Palestinian hatred. Now, what's interesting about that is that in all of these, rallies that I've seen and all the protests that I've seen, those that are pro-Israel. I have never seen a sign in these pro-Israel protests or rallies that says cleanse the world of Muslims. I've never seen even a Palestinian flag on a sign in a trash can. I haven't seen Muslim students

Starting point is 00:32:35 have to hide in their cafeteria or hide in their dorm rooms. I haven't seen words, you know, projected on the side of a university that's basically calling for the genocide of Palestinians or Muslims. I haven't seen that at any pro-Israel rally. I haven't even seen any pro-Israel individual say anything that amounts to a call for a genocide or ridding the world of Muslims. And so tell us, tell us why this administration decides to focus on something, which in my opinion is maybe the very least of America's worries. Yeah, Al, you haven't seen what you just described because what you just described has simply not been happening. I mean, I've been to many, you know, pro-Israel rallies, pro-Israel community events. I have never heard or seen anything remotely resembling

Starting point is 00:33:25 what, what you just described. I mean, it's just as something that is frankly not happening. I think the most offensive part of those remarks that we just heard from Kamala Harris is where she cites Islamophobia as, you know, for far too long, this has been a disproportionate worry, a disproportionate form of hate crime in America. You know, we actually, have statistics on this. The FBI Uniform Code of Justice, you know, they actually keep year in and year out uniform crime statistics. And we know that consistently, for as long as I've been following this, so it's at least five, six, seven years or so, year in and year out, the percentage of religiously motivated hate crimes in America that are committed against

Starting point is 00:34:06 Jews is roughly 60%. So put another way, roughly every six out of 10 religiously based hate crimes in America is against Jews. It's roughly 10 to 12% are committed against Muslims. So literally taken on its face, there are at least five times as many hate crimes against Jews as there are against Muslims. So Kamala Harris, I guess the polite way of saying it would be that she has no idea what she's talking about. The less polite way of saying is that she is trying to gaslight you, is that she is trying

Starting point is 00:34:37 to gaslight the American people. And she's trying to gaslight the American people in all likelihood for very self-serving, cynical political reasons. At the very beginning of this conflict, Alley, there was that Tuesday after the attack, you know, Joe Biden, to his credit, came out and gave a rhetorically very strong speech in defense of Israel. In fact, I know from some friends in Israel that that speech was so beloved over there, they actually started using in elementary schools as a way to try teach English to the students. Now, those of us who have been around the block for a little while knew not to take these words particularly seriously. It was, you know, with those kind words,

Starting point is 00:35:13 a lot of strings attached, and we've now seen some of those strings over the past couple of weeks or so. But having said that, because of that strong initial rhetorical support, we've seen a lot of polls that the Muslim American support for Joe Biden has cratered over the past month. A lot of kind of the far left wing of the party, they've lost a lot of support. And there's a huge Arab population in Michigan, you know, Dearborn Michigan, Hamtramic, Michigan are two suburbs of Detroit. I think the town councils and those two towns are, they might be predominantly, but I think they're actually exclusively Muslim controlled. I'm actually speaking on this topic at the University of Michigan

Starting point is 00:35:48 in Ann Arbor next Thursday. It's a large Arab population. I'm working on security for the event for that very reason. I say all that because Michigan is a very important swing state. You know, so is potentially Minnesota, where that's where Illinois is from. There's a large Somali population there. So I think that they're basically just doing damage control at this point.

Starting point is 00:36:05 Karin Jean-Pierre as well, very earlier in this conflict, around the same time that Biden gave that good speech, Korean Jean-Pierre, again, to her rare credit, probably the first time I've ever praised her in my life, she referred to the words that were coming out from Rashida Tullab and Ilhan Omar. She described their words at that time as disgraceful and repugnant. She's done a 180 as well. I mean, most recently, she couldn't even openly condemn the taking down on these hostage posters. So the whole administration has done a very subtle 180 over the past couple of weeks.

Starting point is 00:36:38 I think it's really driven by domestic political concerns. Biden's polling obviously is in the gutter. They're facing a very tough re-election next year. The very last thing that he can do is further alienate the Hamas caucus, the Muslim American community, young Gen Z activists who are passionate about the Palestinian cause, things like that. Yeah. And Rashida Taleb, she's obviously been in the news as well as Ilhan Omar. And she's being criticized for several things that she has said over the years, but recently reiterating this phrase from the river to the sea, Palestine, shall. be free. Now, she says that is just, that's just a motto of aspirational liberation, whatever. Tell us, what does that really mean? I mean, taking on its own terms, it's calling for the extermination of the Jews of Israel. I mean, look, I have been to the river and to the sea. I have been, you know,

Starting point is 00:37:28 that's the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. You know, it's that, it's really not that wide of the country. The entire state of Israel, even including Judea and Samaria, what the world refers to as the West Bank, even including that, the whole country is basically the size of New Jersey. It's not a particular. large block of territory there. Look, the problem with this, there are a lot of problems with the so-called Palestinian cause, but probably the number one problem, and this problem is exacerbated and perpetuated by the United Nations in many structural ways, is that they have never accepted the fact that there is a Jewish state. So in November in 1947, the United

Starting point is 00:38:04 Nations recommended a two-state partition for the land of Israel. It actually was carving up a very narrow sliver for the Jews, much narrower ironically than anything that is on the table today. The Jews happily said yes. The Arabs said no. Ben-Gurion then declares Israel independent in May, 1948. The Arabs invade for all sides, trying to destroy it. This is what the Arabs and the Palestinians refer to as the so-called Nakba. This is what we're treated to label called the Nakba, which is Arabic, essentially,

Starting point is 00:38:30 for the tragedies, the great tragedy. And when they speak of their right of return, they're speaking of their right to essentially repopulate. and ultimately reconquer the entirety of the land of Israel. And what that means is that the Jews would not be safe there because there is no Arab country in the world right now where the Jews are safe. On the contrary, it was in the late 1940s, early 1950s,

Starting point is 00:38:53 where there was a mass exodus of roughly a million Jews who were living in the Arab world in countries like Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, and Iraq, who were kicked out of the Arab countries essentially acting collusively in unison in response to the Nakhba, in response to the founding of Israel. You know, my fiance's grandparents were part of this, actually. They had to flee Iraq around this time. They moved to Israel, naturally.

Starting point is 00:39:17 And this history has just been totally lost on an entire generation. But the United Nations, they have a separate definition of what it means to be a refugee from war. They literally have one definition under an organization called UNRWA for the Palestinian Arabs, an entirely separate definition for every other refugee in the world. Traditionally, what refugee means is that if you, personally, if you personally are dissettled from the country where you were due to a war, then you are a refugee. But if you resettle another country, your children will then become citizens or, you know, or they're in a visa, whatever. In that particular country, your children

Starting point is 00:39:53 will not be refugees. The UN has an entirely different definition of refugee for the people, the Arabs who were in Israel in 1948 when Israel was founded. According to the UN, the children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, they're all refugees. To this day, there are Palestinian refugee camps in Syria, Lebanon, countries like that. And this is all because the entire mentality is that Israel is a mistake and that we're ultimately going to reconquer it. The refugees, because they're ultimately going to return, they're ultimately going to kick the Jews out. So that clearly and obviously is the end goal. Again, Hamas is not particularly subtle about this.

Starting point is 00:40:30 Neither is the Palestinian Authority, which is based in Ramallah in the West Bank. they are oftentimes held out to be the so-called moderates when it comes to this conflict. Yes, I guess they are incrementally more moderate than Hamas. That's frankly not saying a whole lot. Mahmoun Abbas, who chairs the Palestinian Authority, wrote a literal PhD dissertation on Holocaust denial. He was praising Hitler openly about two to two and a half months ago or so. They have the infamous pay for slave program where they fund the families of jihadists who are,

Starting point is 00:41:00 quote unquote, martyrs who kill Israeli Jews. So this is all press. predicated upon the ultimate repopulating and reconquering of all of Israel from the river to the sea, which means that the Jews have no place to go but into the sea, proverbially speaking, which means that they will be killed. So here's the narrative. Here's what we hear. And here's what a lot of people, I think, are confused by because, of course, this is what they're hearing from their friends on Instagram and silly influencers and things like that. That the Muslims, the Palestinians, are the ones who are indigenous to this land.

Starting point is 00:41:44 And they were there and they were living just peacefully and happily until 1948. And then Israel came along and stole their homes and kicked them out and killed them in their mothers. And they created the state. That's why they're called colonizers. That's why they're even called, you know, racist, white supremacists, all the things that we're kind of used to hearing about people here. And that they have been exclusively oppressing poor Palestinians since the establishment of their state. and that there it's an apartheid state that's what we keep hearing and that they are on the side of the white colonizers and oppressors and that is why Hamas exists that Israel actually that's what we hear

Starting point is 00:42:29 created Hamas and Hamas is resistance they're resistance fighters and they're just trying to claim the land that's theirs that was stolen from them that is what we keep hearing and we keep hearing that Israel has only been an evil actor there, causing trouble, hurting the innocent people in Gaza. So what's your response to that? When that is someone's take on history and the idea that Israel has been oppressing the poor Muslims that live there. So there's a lot to impact here, obviously. Jews were living in the land of Israel for quite literally thousands of years. I mean, literally thousands of years before Muhammad had his dream and Islam was created,

Starting point is 00:43:11 in the 7th century AD. I mean, Jesus obviously was a Jewish carpenter living in the land of Israel. He was living approximately six to 700 years before Muhammad and Islam. So the Jews were there for a very long time. The word Jew literally comes from Judea, which refers to, you know, again, that's the so-called West Bank today. And there was always a Jewish population there in the land of Israel, even, you know, even after the destruction of the Second Temple in the year 70,

Starting point is 00:43:41 between the year 70 and the reestablishment of the state of Israel in 1948, almost 2,000 years, there was a continuous Jewish population there. The Hebrew word for it is Eshuv. The Eschouv existed. There were always Jews living in Jerusalem. There were always Jews living in Hevron and Jericho and all the cities that we learn about from the Bible. And yes, they were not living under Jewish rule, but they always, always existed there. Now, you know, for four to 500 years, it was controlled by the Ottoman Empire.

Starting point is 00:44:10 And then after World War I, the Brits essentially take control of the area. This is the British mandate for Palestine. The British mandate for Palestine was itself divided between the mandate for Transjordan, which is modern Jordan today, and the mandate for Palestine. Interestingly, Allie, this is all happening after World War I. The European powers carve up the Middle East. It's roughly 1920, the Sykes-Pocco Agreement. The mandate for Transjordan, which again is Jordan today, was actually supposed to be. to be the so-called Palestinian state. In fact, today the country of Jordan is roughly 70%

Starting point is 00:44:45 Palestinian. The reason that the king of Jordan, King Hussein, made a very cold peace with Israel is not because he has any affinity for the Jewish state or the Jewish people far from it. It's because he is a Hashemite. He is an ethnic minority in his own country, and he fears that he's going to be deposed. So that was how the arrangement was actually supposed to work. Now, again, going back to 1947, 27 years after the establishment of the mandate for Palestine, the UN proposes this two-state partition that would give the Jews a tiny sliver of what they were initially promised. The Jews said yes, the Arabs said, no. The rest, as we all know is history. And, you know, to give some just brief more recent history than that, every time that Israel has ever tried,

Starting point is 00:45:27 has ever tried to negotiate in good faith with the Palestinian Arabs, it has quite, quite literally blown up into their face. So the Oslo Accords in the mid-19th, 1990s resulted not long thereafter in the Second Intifada, which until October 7th was the bloodiest part of Israeli history. In 2005, Israel, you know, laterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip. There was a Jewish settlement there called Gush Katif. The IDF, the Israeli military, physically uprooted the settlers. They actually physically removed the Jewish headstones and the cemeteries there.

Starting point is 00:46:00 They took it all out. Two years later, Hamas wins a bloody civil war against Fatah and the Palestinian Authority. and yet again, tragically, the rest is history. There's been continuous war ever since. I'm just not sure, honestly, what else Israel is supposed to do. You know, traditionally speaking, Allie, going back to the beginning of human history, going back to the beginning of wars, wars end, and the Palestinian Arabs still feel that they are at war against Israel.

Starting point is 00:46:26 That was the whole point of our conversation about refugees and the two definitions of refugees and all that, the Nakba. They still think that they are at war against Israel. Traditionally in human history, wars end when one side wins and the other side loses. And I for one am hopeful that after the Pagram, the Hamas Holocaust of October 7, 2023, that Israel will once and for all deliver a decisive blow, a pummeling of Hamas and thereby essentially put the Palestinians in a position where they are essentially begging for peace because that's probably the only way that peace will ever be achieved.

Starting point is 00:47:01 Yeah, and there's something I want to say to that. But a couple things to know about the narrative that's been going on, that this is an apartheid state, that they're colonizers. I mean, all you have to do is look at a map. Look at a map of the area. And you'll see this one tiny Jewish state right in the middle of the Muslim world. These Muslim majority countries, which are wrought by violence and oppression, by the way. And then you have this one tiny Jewish state. If Jews and Israel are colonizers, then they're doing it.

Starting point is 00:47:32 a really bad job. If they are the ones that are oppressing the Muslims, then they're doing a really bad job. I thought it was almost, I mean, in a sad way, laughable when I heard Ilhan Omar right after Rashida Talib spoke, she woke up or she stood up and said that Palestinians have a right to liberty. Of course, that's why they have a right, she says, to attack Israel. But even if Israel cease to exist. Even if that small little Jewish state was no longer a Jewish state there, Muslims wouldn't live in liberty. They don't live in liberty in any of those Muslim majority countries. There's not freedom of speech there. There's not freedom of religion. There's not tolerance of other views. There's not women's rights. They don't view people with innate dignity. And so by liberty,

Starting point is 00:48:24 she just means the defeat of Israel. By resistance, they just mean defeating Israel. By liberation, by decolonization, they don't actually mean the alleviation of oppression or the liberation of Muslims. They don't give a rip about the Uighur Muslims in China. This is all just coding for the elimination of Israel. And I think the hatred of Jews in general. And so they can use all of the, you know, critical theory language, progressive language that they want to about liberation. You're never going to convince me you care about liberation when they have nothing critical to say about the Muslims that are oppressed, enslaved, and murdered by the people that share their ideology that are in charge in all of those Muslim

Starting point is 00:49:04 countries. Yeah, 100%. And, you know, another easy way of knowing that this has nothing to do with the actual Palestinian Arabs themselves and has everything to do with the Jews and the Jewish state, you know, every Arab country, all 20 to 25 of them around there from northern Africa, from Morocco to Sudan to the Arabian Peninsula, Iraq, Syria, they all could have ended this conflict with the snap of the fingers if they wanted to. These are massive countries. They could so easily absorb the Palestinian population if they wanted to in a second.

Starting point is 00:49:38 Again, Jordan was supposed to be that. The mandate for Transjordan under the British mandate was literally supposed to be the Palestinian state. Egypt, obviously, could very easily do it as well. The Sinai Peninsula is very sparsely populated. Gaza literally connects to the Sinai Peninsula. Why has President Al-Cici in Egypt? He has been incredibly stubborn in refusing to let in any.

Starting point is 00:49:59 in anyone from Gaza, any civilian for humanitarian purposes. He has not allowed in any refugees last I checked. I mean, he's allowed some ambulances to go in and out to provide medical care, but no one really has been fleeing to Egypt. So, you know, why don't they actually want these people? Well, the answer is that it has nothing to do with these people, that these people, the Palestinians, are just useful tools for them in their ultimate war and their war, as you correctly state, is to eradicate the state of Israel. Now, you know, you want to talk about. apartheid look, Arabs inside of Israel serve everywhere. You know, Israel is actually so committed to, you know, Western free speech, liberal values that on the floor of their legislature,

Starting point is 00:50:42 which is called the Knesset, on the floor of the Knesset, there are Arabs anti-Zionist parties elected to the Israeli parliament. In fact, I've literally seen speeches on the floor of the Knesset where you have anti-Zionist Arab politicians speaking out against Zionists. which, you know, effectively means calling for the annihilation of Israel. That is how absolutist Israel's commitment to free speech is. Frankly, I don't even think my own commitment to free speech is actually that absolutist where I would want congressman to call for the destruction of the U.S. inside of the United States capital. I think that's insane, frankly. But Arabs in Israeli society are represented everywhere in academia, medicine, you know, high finance, high tech. Everywhere

Starting point is 00:51:23 you look, Arabs are all there. They have by far, by far the highest standard of living of any Arab in the entire region. And on the contrary, in the Palestinian Authority-controlled lands in the West Bank itself, you know, if you want to talk about apartheid, they are the ones who have something much more closely resembling anti-Jewish apartheid. If you are a landowner, if you are a landowner in Janine, Hevron, in one of these Palestinian cities in Jadaan Samaria or the West Bank, and you sell land to a Jew, do you know what the penalty is, Allie? Death penalty. You can literally give the death penalty simply for selling a piece of property for loaning money, something like that, to a Jew. That sounds a heck of a lot more like apartheid to me than an Arab getting on the floor

Starting point is 00:52:08 of the Knesset in Jerusalem and calling for the destruction of the very state that is giving that person his freedom of speech. I think a lot of people don't realize that 18% of the Israeli population is Muslim. And they've got about 2% Christians. I mean, if you look at what they call Palestine. I mean, it's just not the same. You don't have the same breakdown. I think that there are maybe a total of 700, last I heard, 700 Christians that are able to live in that region there. And of there, many of them are there because of missionaries that went there risking their lives to go there. Most people understand that the Muslim world is not tolerant of other faiths. And yet, for some reason, the Jewish state, Israel, is deemed the oppressor, deemed the colonizer.

Starting point is 00:53:08 So you mentioned that really the only way that this is going to end is if Israel wins. And they're begging for peace. Some people are going to take issue with that statement. And they've seen images, they've seen videos that really disturbed them. They've heard allegations about what Israel is doing that has really disturbed them. And one of those allegations is that Israel is bombing apartment buildings, that they're bombing indiscriminately. Indiscriminately is a word that I keep seeing. They're bombing hospitals.

Starting point is 00:53:39 That was the big story a couple weeks ago that they bombed a hospital and all of this footage came out. And so a lot of people are saying, wow, why don't you care about all the Palestinians that are dying because of what Israel is doing? Indiscriminately, just bombing Palestine into non-existence. What do you say to that? So first of all, the hospital incident, just because I know your audience has, you know, been offline for some of the past month or so, that the hospital incident ended up being a massive blood libel in and of itself, right? I mean, we actually soon found out that that rocket came not from Israel, but from Palestinian

Starting point is 00:54:18 Islamic jihad, which is an Iran-funded jihadist outfit in Gaza. That's something of a rival of sorts to Hamas. And then the rocket actually didn't even hit the hospital. It hit a parking lot next to the hospital. I think I saw under 50 people died as, I think it literally might have been single digits as compared to the initial number of over 500. So that ended up just being total and complete blood liable. Rashida Tully, by the way, last time I checked, has not renounced her condemnation of the IDF for that particular assault. More generally speaking here, you know, it's important for the audience to understand what Hamas actually does when it comes to fighting this war.

Starting point is 00:54:53 Hamas has the most cynical strategy that any organization has ever devised when it's important. comes to fighting wars. They keep their own people locked into Gaza. We saw footage earlier this month or the end of last month of Hamas bombing the literal roadways, preventing people from fleeing from northern Gaza to southern Gaza, keeping them in northern Gaza so that they will be more useful cannon fodder for the IDF, thus ginning up more outrage in the eyes of the world. Earlier this week, you know, I saw the IDF was able to secure a humanitarian corridor of Inestowness. since Gaza and it's going from northern Gaza to southern Gaza, who do you think Israel was maintaining that humanitarian corridor against, against Hamas, against Hamas's own snipers and bombers

Starting point is 00:55:38 who are trying to keep them locked there into northern Gaza. More than that, what Hamas does, and they've been doing this for a very long time now since they took over in 2007, they put all of their weaponry in the most sensitive civilian areas imaginable. They put the rocket launchers inside of mosques, inside of day schools, inside of United Nations, UNRWA, schools, supermarkets. I mean, they put them where civilians are living. Hamas interspersed itself all throughout Gaza with the entire intent of making it essentially impossible for Israel to go about doing its job and destroying legitimate military targets without some level of collateral damage. Now, the IDF goes above and beyond to warn people to get out. They started this strategy about

Starting point is 00:56:23 a decade ago or so where they drop these leaflets from the planes, essentially saying you have X number of hours to get out. There is Hamas infrastructure here. This building is going to be eradicated. Follow our close instructions. Do not listen to Hamas because they will tell you to stay because they want you to die. So they've been doing this for a long time. It undermines Israel's own military objectives. By the way, it hamstrings their own military efficiency to give them that kind of heads up, but they do it anyway. So, you know, the Western world, I think, fails to understand this. And when Hamas acts like this, when there are, when there is collateral damage and there's always going to be collateral damage in war. It's a tragedy of war, obviously. When there is

Starting point is 00:56:59 collateral damage and Hamas is acting like this, these civilian casualties are the results of Hamas. Hamas is the one to blame for it. And, you know, I guess just one final thing that I'll say on this. Look, you and I are both pro-life. We believe in the inherent moral dignity of every human being. It's an issue I've been very passionate on. On the other hand, historically speaking, there is a war and war is terrible is one of the many reasons war should always be avoided. But when there is a war, you know, this notion that the country that is defending itself has to go this far above and beyond to minimize any kind of collateral damage ever is a very kind of modern thing and kind of liberal modern warfare. When the United States responded to Pearl Harbor with the

Starting point is 00:57:47 Doolittle raid in Tokyo bombing Tokyo when there was the carpet bombing of Dresden, Germany in 1945, you know, this notion that we would be kind of going building by building kind of microscopically looking for civilian damage and proportionality. It's a very kind of modern way of approaching war and not necessarily always a good thing. But again, nonetheless, Israel just goes above and beyond, beyond what international law requires it to do to try to minimize civilian casualties. And those inevitable casualties are ultimately, legally speaking, at the hands of Hamas. Yeah. Wow. I mean, there's just such a, there's such a war against, propaganda here, I think, here in the U.S.

Starting point is 00:58:25 And a lot of people just not knowing what to believe. And also with the addition of AI, I've seen a few of the images that have been put out by, you know, pro-Palestinian people here that have been clearly AI. When you look closely, you can see that the hands and the feet are computer generated. I saw one of this child that looked like he had just survived a bombing with his dead mother laying there. And he's holding his hand up and he's wearing a. Palestinian flag on his shirt, but when you look closely, he actually has six fingers because one of the weird things about artificial intelligence is that they can't get hands and hands and feet correct. And so there's a lot of scary misinformation out there that I think is leaving a lot of

Starting point is 00:59:08 people to say, well, I just don't know. I just don't know what to think. I don't know who to follow. I don't know what to listen to. And so I'm just not going to care. So tell me, like, who do you think that people should be going to for real information, if they want to know more about the history, if they really want to know what's going on there, and if they're really looking to say, okay, what's the solution to this? What should happen next? Like, where should they go to find that information? Well, I mean, the same number of individuals who have been putting out a lot of very good content. You know, there's one woman, I think she's ex-NYPD who writes, I think, for the New York Post. She's actually written for Newsweek as well. Yael Bartur, she has a fantastic Twitter feed. A lot of, like,

Starting point is 00:59:51 individuals like that come immediately to mine. Leal Liebibovitz, who's a friend of mine, he writes for Tabal magazine. He has been absolutely prolific since this conflict started. He put together this whole website, essentially, of survivors of October 7th, basically just going there to hear their first person tales. You know, Trey Yinks, who is Fox News, is on the ground reporter there in Southern Israel, I think, has been doing amazing work over the past month. I mean, he's literally there on the ground.

Starting point is 01:00:16 He's reporting right there live from where it's all happening. Eugene Kontarvich is a friend of mine. He's a legal scholar who can explain all the nuances of so-called occupation, of so-called apartheid, of international law of conflict when it comes to what you and I were just talking about in Gaza. His Twitter feed is an absolute must-follow. Eugene has also written numerous opeds for the Wall Street Journal over the past month there. And, you know, shameless plug. I mean, I've been writing and podcasting a lot about this topic as well there, obviously. You know, I'm Josh underscore Hammer on X.

Starting point is 01:00:47 I've written a bunch of columns about this. I'll have a new column out probably tomorrow morning on this exact topic there. But no shortage of good information. You kind of just have to know where to look. As you say, it can be difficult sometimes. Yeah. Thank you so much, Josh. I really appreciate you coming on and I'm giving your commentary as always.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 905 | What's Really Going On in Israel? | Guest: Josh Hammer

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