Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 916 | A Child Psychiatrist on the Science of Gender | Guest: Dr. Miriam Grossman

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

Starting point is 00:00:19 We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Dr. Merriam Grossman is a child psychiatrist who is fighting against gender ideology in her profession. She has written a couple books, the latest of which is called Lost in Trans Nation about this chaos and craziness that is going on. in the medical world when it comes to gender confusion. And so from a scientific psychiatric medical perspective, she is going to tell us why this ideology is not only scientifically wrong,

Starting point is 00:01:12 but also morally destructive. You are not going to want to miss anything, she says. Make sure that you have a notepad out so you can take notes. She is brilliant and she helps so much offer clarity to this very confusing. issue. This episode is brought to you by our friends at GoodRanchers. Go to GoodRanchers.com. Use code Alley. Check out those GoodRanchers.com, code Alley. Dr. Grossman, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. For those who may not know, can you tell everyone who you are and what you do? Sure. Well, I'm a child, adolescent, an adult psychiatrist and author. And in my practice, I see kids who

Starting point is 00:02:05 are distressed about their sex, about being a boy or a girl, and their parents. And I've also written a number of books. Most recently, I wrote a book called Lost in Transnation, a child psychiatrist guide out of the madness. And the book before that was about sex education, and it was called You're Teaching My Child What? And I think that we probably are going to talk about Both of them. Both of them, yes. And you wrote the book about sex education in 2009, where you start to touch on the gender stuff. So that's before most of us knew what was going on. Was that your specialty at that point in your practice? Were you talking then to kids who were distressed about their sex? Oh, no, not at all. Okay. Because that was way before the current, you know, skyrocketing of cases. So at that time, it was extremely rare to have a child who, you know, was unhappy about their body. Right. The reason that I wrote about it in that earlier book is because I was studying sex education and I came across gender ideology within sex education. Okay, so Planned Parenthood,

Starting point is 00:03:29 and then there's an organization called Seekis. And these are federally funded. organizations that have curricula and websites for students. And so I stumbled across, so to speak, all this material about gender in which kids were being told that sex is between the legs, gender is between the ears, and they don't always necessarily have to match. boys do not always become men women girls do not always grow up to be women there's a huge spectrum that sex is a spectrum with with male and female on either end and then limitless possibilities on that spectrum and only you know where you fall on that spectrum so you were reading that

Starting point is 00:04:31 over 10 years, like 15 years ago, you were reading that in sex education. Yes. Now, what made you start looking into the sex education that was being made available to students? Well, the reason I did that is because so many of my young patients who were college students had sexually transmitted infections and one or more abortions. and this was impacting their mental health. Okay, so I was working at UCLA, and I would only see UCLA students.

Starting point is 00:05:08 So these were extremely bright, accomplished young people, and yet they still had made poor decisions in terms of their sexual health, and a third of the girls had the HPV infection, human papillomavirus, which causes genital warts and sometimes cervical cancer. Right. And so, you know, this is nothing to dismiss. It's a serious thing.

Starting point is 00:05:40 And when I learned that so many of these girls that I was seeing had the infection, and, you know, they were young. And they may have only had one or two sexual partners. And yet they were infected, and now they had to worry about treatment, and they had to worry about possibly developing cancer later on. They had to worry about, you know, transmitting the virus to somebody else. These are heavy, heavy things. And so I wondered, what are these kids being taught about sexual health?

Starting point is 00:06:19 And that's when I took a deep dive into it. And I discovered that Planned Parenthood, and like I said, CECIS and other organizations are the main ones, sort of the flagship organizations that have curricula that are being widely used. They have websites for young people. And they're simply not giving them the information that they need. You know, a lot of people, I think, separate, probably myself included until a couple years ago, separated the problem of encouraging sexual quote unquote liberation, promiscuity, and the gender issue, gender ideology. But you're saying those things have kind of gone hand in hand or have at least been placed under the same umbrella

Starting point is 00:07:11 of sexual education for a very long time. Why is that? Like what's the connection between telling someone, yeah, have sex as many times as you want to, as long as you're comfortable with it, whatever, and telling someone, you know, boys don't necessarily grow up to be men. Why are those things going together? You know, that's really a good question. The truth is that they're not necessarily related. One is sexuality, sexual preferences, sexual behaviors, and the other has to be. to do with identity as male or female. But they have been lumped together. They've been lumped together

Starting point is 00:07:55 by the sex educators so that we have sexuality and gender education. They do go hand in hand. And when I first came across all the gender material when I was studying, you know, what what kids are told about pregnancy and condoms and STIs, I just, I thought this was, just so bizarre. Right. I mean, what is this, what is this all about? What is this doing here? Why are we telling young people these crazy ideas that are anti-science,

Starting point is 00:08:33 anti-science? I mean, sex is binary. Mammals are either male or female. We are mammals. Say nothing of the fact that God created man, you know, male and female. But let's say just let's say we're going to stick to the hard science here. We are mammals and mammals are either male or female. Other species, okay, they may have all sorts of variations.

Starting point is 00:09:00 They may have, you know, organisms that change there between male or female. But that's not, that's not us. That's not human beings. You know, we are from the moment of conception. from the moment that the egg is fertilized by the sperm, you have either a male or a female embryo. And that's going to be permanent. And that cannot be changed with medication, with surgeries.

Starting point is 00:09:35 That is never going to change. So those are simply biological truths. And they're not being presented to our kids. The opposite is being presented. kids are being told that there's such a thing as a kind of psychological sex, which is completely separate from biology, separate from chromosomes. And yes, I mean, that might exist, but it's not based on anything scientific. Okay, it's like saying, okay, we believe that we all have a soul. but there's no hard science behind that that we have yet.

Starting point is 00:10:16 And we're certainly not teaching it in public schools because it's part of a belief system. In the same way, the idea of gender, the idea of having this separate identity that has nothing to do with biology and in addition can be in conflict, can be a mismatch so that you can have a gender of being male and the physical reality of being female. And gender ideology is saying, well, that's just a normal variant. It's very dangerous. And it's anti-science. You make a good point about it being a belief. I've heard people talk about gender ideology or this idea that you have this inner understanding of like your secret and truer self. your psychological sex, as you said, it's really like a Gnostic belief.

Starting point is 00:11:26 It's more of a kind of pseudo-religious belief than it is certainly a scientific fact. Something that I heard you say at a lecture recently, every cell has a sex. And that matters. I want you to explain that and talk about like, okay, then that means there are some medical implications to saying that a man who is born a man is actually a woman or vice versa. Okay. Yeah, this is, you know, I love the science behind this because it's so, so interesting. And there's been an explosion of science. In fact, it's called gender-specific medicine. And the reason for that new field of medicine is precisely because each cell that has a nucleus, which is nearly every cell in the body, there's a code that's embanky. in that cell, which is the code that's on the chromosomes. And whether you have X, X, you know, a genetic endowment of X, X, or female, or a genetic endowment of X, Y, male, we know now makes a huge

Starting point is 00:12:39 difference in terms of the functioning of every cell with a nucleus. So even, you know, the heart cells, the brain cells, liver cells, skin cells, okay, the immune system, we have a tremendous amount of information now that tells us that that code within the cell is impacting the functioning of the cell and therefore the functioning of the organ. And so we have, for example, you know, certain diseases, which are much more common in women. autoimmune diseases, 80% of those cases are in women. We know that women are able to fight certain infections better than men. We know that men do better when, if they're severely burned, they do better than women. I mean, there's thousands of examples. You know, you know what?

Starting point is 00:13:44 One that I love is if somebody needs a kidney transatlantic. We now know that, for example, if a woman needs a kidney transplant, she has more of a chance of accepting that transplant and not rejecting it if she gets the kidney from another woman. Right. Otherwise, the kidney that she's going to get from a man has all those Y chromosomes. And her body is going to recognize that as foreign. Right. and then could therefore reject the kidney.

Starting point is 00:14:20 So, you know, when we tell kids and Allie Beth, we are indoctrinating the youngest of children now. Very young children. You know, we have, there are books that are bored books. I mean, you have a bunch of little kids, bored books that are supposed to be read by adults to the kids. The kids are too young to read. and they say things like, you know, only you know if you're a boy or a girl. The adults may have made a mistake when they made that decision when you were born. They took a look at you when you were born and they said you're a girl or a boy.

Starting point is 00:15:03 They may have gotten it right, but they may have gotten it wrong. And only you know if you're a girl, a boy, neither or both. This is what our little kids are being told. So it shouldn't be any surprise when they get a bit older. And they're surrounded, you know, in the culture, the media, you know, the activism at schools, our government agencies, pediatricians, you know, you name it. Therapists are promoting this idea that a person's feelings. of being male or female can be mismatched with their bodies. And that is just a variant of normal. It's like the same way that you can have a mismatch of socks when they come out of the dryer.

Starting point is 00:15:59 You can have a mismatch of your identity with your body. And it's your body that needs to be changed to match your mind. Yeah. Wow. I'm so interested to hear from your professional perspective, what you think about, what I'm about to say, I think about my kids, I only know this from my personal experience. And I have two of them, four and two, and then the newborn. But what I notice about my two older ones is that they're constantly trying to put things into categories. They are trying to, okay, we do this during the day, we do this at night. This is what mommy does.

Starting point is 00:16:40 This is what daddy does. This is what a man looks like. this is what a woman looks like. That's a boy. That's a girl. Do I do that? You know, they're figuring things out. And to me, that is just a normal part of development.

Starting point is 00:16:53 Sometimes they get it wrong. Sometimes they call a man miss. You know, they're figuring that out along with language. It's a lot to learn. And to me, it seems cruel to offer anything to them except for clarity. Like, I want to give them as much clarity as possible that, yes, you've got that category correct. Yes, you've got that designation right.

Starting point is 00:17:12 no, that's not. And obviously, as they grow, they learn nuances of that, right? But they're still kind of in that black, white thinking, and you want to help them as much as possible. To me, it seems cruel psychologically to purposely confuse the child and put a burden on a child at such a young age to say, you can decide something as core as your gender. So like, what does it do to a child in those formative years to be brought that kind of confusion? Beautifully said. You said that so well. Children as part of their development want to understand the world. They're working every day to understand things on their own level. And you're right, at an early age, there is no appreciation or hardly any appreciation for nuance. You know, you get that when you're older.

Starting point is 00:18:08 but we certainly are doing no favor to these kids. I would say it's destructive to their development to present such a confusing and really non-reality-based understanding of something that's at the core of their humanity, which is whether they're a boy or a girl. And the end result, yes, is a lot of confusion. And I believe that that is one of the goals of all this. This is a social movement.

Starting point is 00:18:48 And one of the goals is confusion. And boy, do we have confusion. Going back to what we were talking about about the connection between like promiscuity, sexuality, and then so-called gender identity, I heard you connect to those two things. in the lecture where I heard you speak by saying, you know, Alfred Kinsey and John Money, as we'll get into in just a second, they really kind of, they wanted to push back against, and I guess you could say, demolish Christian morality and the nuclear family. And so I guess you could say that is maybe a connection between those two things, is both of, both promiscuity, have sex with whoever you want, however you want, and oh, you don't have to be a man if you were born a boy. Both of those things are an assault on reality, scientific truth, but also moral truth and also just familial stability too, right? Yes. And so let's go back to that.

Starting point is 00:20:08 Tell us a little bit. We could spend hours and hours on this, but about John Money, Alfred Kinsey, and their worldview that motivated them to do the things that they did. Sure. And, you know, I go into all this in, actually in both the books that we're talking about. You're teaching my child, what would be more about Kinsey

Starting point is 00:20:32 and then lost in transnation. is more about money, John Money, just because John Money really was the founding father, you could say, of gender ideology. But they did have a lot in common. And they were colleagues. I mean, Kinsey was older than money, but they were both, they were both, well, to begin with, they were both professors, eminent, respected professors, you know, with white lab coats at esteemed universities.

Starting point is 00:21:14 Kinsey was at Indiana University and money was at Johns Hopkins. They were both very disturbed people, very disturbed, immoral, pedophiles. You know, I'm going to, I'll spare you the details. disturbed and immoral and, yes, wicked, wicked people, child abusers, liars, liars, not good player, not good guys. But of course, that wasn't known at the time that they were coming out with all their research. Now, Kinsey, his focus was on sexuality. And he was, here's a word you don't hear anymore, a pervert.

Starting point is 00:22:08 He was a sexual deviant. And if anyone doubts that, they can pick up the biography written about Kinsey. And I warn you, it's difficult read, but that's kind of the definition of deviant sexual behavior. So what he wanted to do, it seems, was convince the world. that he was just like everyone else. He was just a regular guy. And he came out with research that he claimed proved that, you know, the average was in the 50s, okay? 50s and 60s.

Starting point is 00:22:48 The average, you know, mom and pop with a white picket fence were all engaged in what society then would have considered immoral behaviors. And so you can imagine, you know, his literature, his books on male and female sexuality were bombshells. You know, they just, you know, people were in shock. And he became very famous. And his work launched the sexual revolution in the 60s and 70s. Now, it became known later on that his research was fraudulent. And it was criminal because it was based on, I mean, this is shocking. It was based on child molestation by, you know, jailed child abusers.

Starting point is 00:23:45 And the whole thing is very outrageous. So he based his observations, what he called observations on human sexuality, which basically he said was, oh, humans, human beings are basically just, just like animals. They can and should have sex, however they want to, with whoever they want to. And he based those observations

Starting point is 00:24:07 on his correspondence with child molesters. That's correct. And jailed pedophiles. And he then said, oh, see, we don't have to talk about who this population is, but I studied a population. And this is true of all humans.

Starting point is 00:24:21 No, he was studying perverts like himself to try to normalize pedophilia and all other kinds of perversion, right? Yes. Yes, and his goal was really to destroy, like you said, Judeo-Christian morality, the nuclear family, social norms. Okay, he was a social reformer. He wanted to change the world. So this was not about health. This was not about science. Obviously, you know, if you're going to have, I mean, the number, the kind of activities and number of, quote unquote, sexual partners that these people were having, put them at the highest risk possible of sexually transmitted infections, abortions, and all sorts of awful things. So this is no way, shape, or form about health. Right. And yet the modern sex education

Starting point is 00:25:16 came out of the Kinsey philosophy. Right. And the people that, um, that, that, that formed sex education in the 60s, that created modern sex education, therefore they were disciples of Kinsey. Okay. So, you know, my point is that sex education as it stands now, and what I'm referring to, Ali Beth, is comprehensive sex education. Okay, because there's different kinds of sex education, but so called, because it's not at all comprehensive, is based on. on changing society.

Starting point is 00:26:01 And when you go to the website of Seekis, one of those organizations, they have it right there on their website. It's right there. It says sex ed for social change. So that's what they want. Right. Okay, they're telling us. They're telling us who they are.

Starting point is 00:26:20 They want to change society. They don't want to be anchored in Judeo-Christian morality, obviously. they don't want to be anchored in, you know, the nuclear family in, you know, the healthy decision of waiting until adulthood for sexual behavior and optimally having one lifelong partner. You see, the people that are, that delay sexual behavior, the young people. And then they marry somebody who also delayed sexual behavior. They have zero risk, zero of any sexually transmitted infection. And this is what kids are not being told.

Starting point is 00:27:13 They're being told, you know what? Everyone gets these STIs. Just, you know, wear a condom. And if you get one, it's no big deal because everyone has them. Well, hello. No. No. Not everyone has them at all. Speak for yourself. Yeah. I don't even think some adults understand that. I tweeted the other day because I was thinking about this and like a whole other things. Just like the broken hearts that happen when you have children outside of marriage and all this stuff. And I said, I just tweeted it's underestimated how many problems in society are caused by sex outside of marriage. And of course, I got pushed back on that as is. you know, usual when you say anything on Twitter, but there, I, I clarified underneath, I listed, you know, unwanted pregnancies, single parenthood, STDs, all broken hearts, all that

Starting point is 00:28:06 stuff. And it was amazing the replies I got from adults saying all of those things can happen within marriage too. Well, no, you're not going to get an STD if both of you waited until marriage to have sex and you're the only people that you're not, you're not. I think people don't understand. But you know what they see it, and this is also because of sex education, as being unrealistic. Yeah. Right. It's just not realistic. Yeah. Well, you know, it's just too difficult. Well, you know, I find it very difficult, as do many other people, to eat right, to exercise, and that all those long list of things that, you know, we still, we have to make the best effort we can. and more important than that, the authorities have to present it as an ideal.

Starting point is 00:29:00 Okay? So if I go to some website or I go to my doctor or something, you know, and she says to me, okay, Miriam, you've got to eat, you know, blah, blah, blah, and you've got to stop, you know, the sugar and stop all the bad things that I'm doing. Okay. So she's presenting an ideal to me. Okay. And she's not saying to herself, you know, what, it's not realistic. I'm not going to, I'm not going to tell her to do that because it's not realistic. No, I'm going to present an ideal. And when you look at young people, and this was particularly clear to me at UCLA, where the kids were very self-disciplined. And a lot of them were athletes. They were like getting up at four in the morning, you know, to swim a hundred laps.

Starting point is 00:29:47 well, hello, if you have so much self-discipline in one area, I think that it's not unreasonable to at least be asked or told by the authorities and encouraged to have self-discipline in this other area. I don't know if you are familiar with Nancy Piercy. I don't know if you know who she has, but she wrote an amazing book. If you haven't read it, you should. It's called Love Thy Body. And she connects this promiscuity with the,

Starting point is 00:30:29 problem of gender confusion, if you even want to call it that, by talking about just the rejection of our bodies when it comes to its telos, when it comes to its purpose. We hardly ever ask, like, what is the body for? Like, what is the definition of the body, who made the body? Like, therefore, what is its value? What is its purpose? We just think, well, this is what we want. This is what we want. We worship the God of self. I want to have sex. I will want to be the opposite gender and so that's what you should do without ever asking, but what am I for? What is my gender for?

Starting point is 00:31:05 What is my sexuality for? We think so low of ourselves, I think. You know, the way that I would put that is that the body has its own wisdom and it's an awesome wisdom. You know, kids are taught all the time about the environment and about, you know, the world, the earth is a, you know, delicate ecosystem. And we can't take things for granted. We can't take resources for granted. Our bodies are delicate ecosystems. And you know what? Especially the female body is a delicate ecosystem. And it is created with so much wisdom. And you're right. instead of saying, well, I want ABCD, we have to look at, and that's why biology is so great.

Starting point is 00:32:01 You know, we can look at how we're made and we can take certain messages from that. I'm going to tell you something really good, okay? I wasn't planning on going into this, but now I can't. And I know you've just had a baby. If you look at the female menstrual cycle and the hormones and, and, you know, one hormone that varies during that cycle is oxytocin. Oxytocin is the love hormone, the hormone that helps us to bond with another person, to trust that person.

Starting point is 00:32:41 So at the time of your cycle, when you ovulate and when you can conceive, that's the time that your estrogen is highest. estrogen pumps up oxytocin. So at the time of your cycle, when you could conceive, is the time when your body is primed to attach during sexual behavior. And so your body is saying, now is the time that I might create, well, not I, but my body may be, be the site of the creation of a new life with another person through this very special and sacred act. And during that act, my body is telling my brain and my heart to attach and to love and to trust. Right. And I've so much to say to that. One, it reminds me that the whole sexual liberation movement is worse for women.

Starting point is 00:33:55 It's worst for women. It might be okay for a guy who can, you know, but even then, I mean, there are emotional mental things that come with any kind of promiscuity for anyone. But for women, like it is, our bodies are made to go with our emotions. Our cycles are made to go with our feelings. And so, gosh, it's been a total, total bad deal for women. Go ahead. Well, that's for sure. But just getting back to Kinsey, so we just talked a little bit about some hard science, what I just told you about estrogen and oxytocin. So Kinsey, well, we didn't know it back in Kinsey's time, but Kinsey was saying sex is just like a physiological act. Yeah. You know, it's like relieving yourself. It's completely disconnected from emotion. Right. And that's good. It should be disconnected from emotion. He disconnected.

Starting point is 00:34:53 it from any sort of consequence whatsoever. It's simply, he said, we are human animals. And again, Kinsey was the source, the founding father, so to speak. His disciples, after he died, carried his philosophy and worldview about human sexuality into today's sex education. Now, most of money, on the other hand, he had the same goal of breaking down norms, breaking down and rejecting the Judeo-Christian value system. He was pro pedophilia. He argued that sexual behavior between an adult and a child was not necessarily negative. He argued that sexual behavior between a relative and a child, incest was not necessarily negative. And he said this in public.

Starting point is 00:35:58 He was out with his outrageous anti-Judeo-Christian values. And so when it came to gender, he introduced this revolutionary idea that we have a psychological gender that does not necessarily match our physical. sex. And that is exactly what kids are being told. And they're being told that it's normal, like I said, to have this mismatch. And sadly, my profession, the psychiatric profession, gave its stamp of approval to that idea, that it's a normal variant to have a mismatch between the psyche and the body, and that the body then needs to be changed permanently with these extremely dangerous experimental interventions. Hey, this is Steve Day.

Starting point is 00:37:03 If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular.

Starting point is 00:37:27 This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day Show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Tell me a little bit about the DSM-5. the scandal that happened in the last iteration of this manual of mental disorders that I did not know what was going on behind the scenes to include gender dysphoria in that specific language. So tell us about that. Okay. Well, very briefly, and again, you know, this is in the book. So the DSM is a manual

Starting point is 00:38:15 of psychiatric disorders that's put out by the American Psychiatric Association. And they had, since 1980, they had always considered gender identity disorder, a disorder. I mean, it was called a disorder. So the non-match, the mismatch, the people, mostly they were young boys who, from an early age, like Jazz Jennings, okay, would insist that they're a girl or they would, you know, they would very, very much want to become a girl. Now, that was always considered a disorder that most kids grow out of. But it turned into a social movement and it turned into a huge cultural phenomenon and a political phenomenon. So by the time this most recent DSM, DSM-5, was being created, was being written, the workforce that was given the task of deciding whether this diagnosis,

Starting point is 00:39:24 should stay in as a disorder because there were a lot of activists were standing up and saying this is not a disorder. It should be removed from the DSM completely because it's stigmatizing to these unfortunate people. And that was the compassionate part of it. So, you know, compassion is a good thing. We just, as psychiatrists and psychologists, we're not supposed to be animated by compassion when we decide on diagnoses. But that is what happened. It was, there was political pressure. They were moved by compassion. And a decision was made to no longer call it a disorder. Instead, it would, oh, so why didn't they just remove it? That was what you were asking about. They didn't remove it primarily because, you see, individuals who have this condition. And I

Starting point is 00:40:22 don't mean to make light of, I mean, this is a debilitating condition when you feel that your body doesn't match who you are. I mean, one can only imagine how awful that is. So I'm not making light of it at all. But so the reason, so these people are going to need many of them, unless they grow out of it, are going to need therapy, medication, and sometimes operations. And so to be reimbursed for all those things, you need a code, a diagnostic code, right, to put on the form for the insurance companies. And if they would have removed gender identity disorder completely, if they had just taken it out of the DSM, there would be no code.

Starting point is 00:41:18 And so that would have been very, very difficult. So that was an additional reason why they kept in, they changed the diagnosis. So it was no longer a disorder. It was simply gendered dysphoria. Dysphoria means discomfort or unhappiness about something. And so the focus of attention by the therapist was supposed to be not the mismatch. that was a normal variant. But the unhappiness that people felt about the mismatch, that was supposed to be the focus of treatment.

Starting point is 00:41:59 Right. And so we had that. We got rid of, you know, the stigmatizing aspect. And there was still a code to be used for insurance. But you see, this is not just a simple nomenclature revision. This was a seismic shift. in terms of the approach, because the APA was now saying, the American Psychiatric Association was now saying,

Starting point is 00:42:24 this is a normal variant, not a disorder. Now, parents that hear about this and realize that the mismatch that their kid may be experiencing is not a disorder, they assume that, well, look, it's the APA. They must have had new evidence. They must have had studies. They must have done a referendum. this decision must have represented a majority of clinicians.

Starting point is 00:42:53 But no, no. There was no new research. There was no referendum whatsoever. So this decision was made by a small group of people. And I'm just saying that it's deception. It's deceptive to lead parents, well, all of us, on into thinking that, you know, all of, all of psychiatry, all of mental health is in agreement. There is no agreement. Yeah. Wow. Okay. I,

Starting point is 00:43:25 man, I could talk to you for two more hours, but we're on a, we're on a time crunch here. I just wanted to say one more thing about oxytocin, and I'll try to use that to tie it all together, because you were saying how it's the love hormone. It's what attaches man and woman in order to have to conceive a child during the right time in the cycle of ovulation for a woman. And it's, It's also, I heard the word oxytocin a lot during pregnancy because it's also the hormone that has to be triggered in order to have the child. So the same thing. And nursing.

Starting point is 00:43:57 Yes, and nursing too. And so what you said about the female ecosystem being so delicate and so purposeful for this beautiful, sacred thing of creating and then holding and the nourishing life for so long is so obviously intentional. And that is why the whole thing of gender confusion and just being able to declare that you're male or female is tragic. It's offensive, by the way, that you can just declare yourself female without having all of these things. But it also, you can see why it is fundamentally destructive to society because this beautiful biological complementary relationship between male and female that the entirety of human existence rests upon. is being challenged and it's not going to end well. No. Well, I think that it's all going to collapse because it's based on falsehood. But in the meantime, there's a very high body count.

Starting point is 00:45:00 Yes. Yes. So I really appreciate you bringing this all out and having me here and giving me the microphone. I appreciate you. You, because you are one person who is helping to topple this. you coming from your perspective, not very, as you know, not very many people in your industry are willing to speak out. They know better like you, and they're not willing to. So thank you for your courage, really. And thank you for coming on. And we'll link your both of your books, because really everyone needs to get both of your books. We'll link both of them in the description of this episode so everyone can purchase. Okay, great. And there's a lot more on my website also,

Starting point is 00:45:39 Miriamgrosmanmd.com. Okay, perfect. We will link that too, so everyone can ask us. it. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 916 | A Child Psychiatrist on the Science of Gender | Guest: Dr. Miriam Grossman

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