Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 926 | The Secret Reason Doctors Push Cancer Drugs | Guest: Suzy Griswold

Episode Date: January 2, 2024

Today we're joined by Suzy Griswold, founder and director of HealingStrong, to talk about her journey from being diagnosed with cancer to finding healing through holistic methods. Suzy shares about her initial reaction to being told doctors had found a tumor and being diagnosed with cancer and about how her body reacted to the traditional treatment at first. We discuss the Gerson therapy protocol, an alternative treatment protocol for cancer, and how Suzy found that these alternative methods of detoxing actually healed her completely. We talk about what she learned about God and his faithfulness throughout her journey and share some alarming cancer statistics that reveal why medical professionals are so invested in cancer drugs. --- Timecodes: (02:09) Thyroid cancer diagnosis (08:20) Researching alternatives / Gerson therapy (17:16) Suzy's healing journey (23:01) Reintroducing things to diet/lifestyle (25:29) Coffee enemas (29:30) Spiritual transformation (34:50) Doctors and pharma issues (46:07) Tumors (51:10) Commitment to changes --- Today's Sponsors: We Heart Nutrition — nourish your body with research-backed ingredients in your vitamins at WeHeartNutrition.com and use promo code ALLIE for 20% off. WNG Online — God's World News is primarily designed for students. Get 50% off an annual subscription at GWNews.com/ALLIE. Good Ranchers — subscribe and get over two pounds of chicken breast for FREE plus $20 off your first order at GoodRanchers.com – make sure to use code 'ALLIE' when you subscribe. Carly Jean Los Angeles — use promo code RELATABLE25 for $25 off an order of $125 or more, or RELATABLE50 for $50 off an order of $200 or more at CarlyJeanLosAngeles.com! --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 693 | The Disturbing Truth About Breast Cancer Awareness Month | Guest: Chris Wark (Chris Beat Cancer) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-693-the-disturbing-truth-about-breast-cancer/id1359249098?i=1000583065318 Ep 741 | How to Realistically Live Toxin-Free | Guest: Taylor Dukes https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-741-how-to-realistically-live-toxin-free-guest-taylor/id1359249098?i=1000595318788 --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

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Cancer does not have to be a death sentence in every case. There are ways to take charge of your healing. And today we've got Susie Griswold. She is the founder of an organization called Healing Strong. She recommends a protocol for cancer healing that has worked. for her and many, many others. Now, this is not an episode that in any way is trying to bash conventional medicine or cancer doctors. This is simply her perspective and her experience. What helped her heal not just her body, but also her mind and her soul as she used God's word to give her the

strength and to give her the wisdom to battle cancer and to help others do the same. same. This episode is brought to by your friends at Good Ranchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use code Alley at checkout. That's good ranchers.com code Alley. Miss Susie, thank you so much for taking the time to join us. For those who don't know, can you tell us a little bit about who you are and what you do? I would love to. First, thank you so much for having me. Of course. Beth. It's so great to be here. I am the founder and director of Healing Strong, and I guess what landed me in this couch was 13 years ago. I was diagnosed with thyroid. cancer and I chose a very different route to healing than the traditional route. It took about

18 months to heal, but as a result of that, it was very non-traditional and we wanted to share the good news with others. So out of that, birthed an organization called Healing Strong, which is what we want to share, you know, with everyone today. It really is this amazing organization, grassroots organization made up of other cancer thrivers who have chosen either an integrative or holistic approach to healing. And we just want to share the good news that there is hope and their choices out there. Yes. Take us back to when you were first diagnosed with thyroid cancer. How did you find out? Well, I actually was going into surgery for a different issue. I'd seen my OB-G-Y-N, and she felt some nodules on my thyroid and said, you know what, Susie, you need to get

those checked out. And so I put it aside because the surgery was, you know, first and foremost, but, you know, Allie, there was just something that was bugging me, and I felt like, oh, well, maybe I need to check this out. So I did. And they did the biopsy, and within a month I was in surgery and it was on both sides of my thyroid. They actually didn't sample my lymph nodes at the time, which was a blessing. I'm grateful for that. But at that point, I did everything I knew to do because I come from a family where 12 people before me had been diagnosed with cancer and 10 had died. So you can just imagine, I was like, just get it out, do whatever you need to do. And so I did that. I completely followed the standard traditional care, and they did the thyroidctomy, and then I did the

radioactive iodine, and that's when they found it in my lymph nodes. So afterwards, they do scans to make sure everything is okay. And so when they did the scans, they found it in my lymph nodes, three lymph nodes lit up, and that's when things changed. Because, you know, when you look at 12 family members and 10 had passed away, only my dad and his sister were living, everyone else had passed. passed away. I was like, well, there's got to be another way. I didn't know what other way there was. And we just spent a lot of time praying and just really asking the Lord to show us, you know,

what can we do? What can we do different? Because obviously, what my family did didn't work. So you were told after you got the thyroidctomy, that's where they remove your thyroid. So then you have to rely on synthetic thyroid hormone to replace what you are no longer getting from your thyroid naturally. And then you went through the radiation and doctors told you, you're going to be fine. This, you know, thyroid cancer typically responds really well to radiation. But then, as you said, when they scanned you and they found cancer in your lymph nodes, what did they then recommend that you do? Yeah. So I then began seeing a lot of different doctors. I wanted second and third and forth opinions.

So one doctor told me, Susie, it's no big deal. We can pluck your lymph nodes out one by one as they pop up. Not a good idea to me. And then another one mentioned radical neck dissection if it got to that. And then towards the summer, I guess they found a lung nodule.

And I went, that's when I got really serious about doing something a little different. And I went to this alternative doctor. and he recommended chemotherapy. And so, Allie, at that point, I really, I had studied a lot and really prayed. My husband and I are Christians. And we really prayed. And someone had sent us a book by Suzanne Summers called Knockout.

And she just recently passed. Suzanne Summers did. But I thought, what in the world can Chrissy teach me about cancer, you know, but I read the book because I really respected the person that sent me the book. And it was all about what other doctors are doing that are alternative to healing cancer. And I thought, you know, if that's really true. And I remembered, I'll tell you this story, I remembered when I was a grad student at UTL Science Center down in Houston, I worked for a cancer research foundation.

And we worked with the worst cancer. They say the worst. Pancredic cancer is one of the worst cancer patients or cancer diagnosis. and we had a patient that was doing really well. And his wife came up to me one time during their visit and said, Susie, you know what we're doing? I said, what? She said, we're doing a macrobotic diet.

And I said, what in the heck is a macrobotic diet? I mean, I've been in health. And, you know, so it just kind of resonated. I went back. I went to the library, looked it up, learned more about it. And things like that, Allie, were starting to come back to my memory bank. and I definitely chose to step out in faith and do something a little different. And that's when, so someone sent me Suzanne Summers, another person sent me the Gerson

Therapy and that really resonated with me. So I went down the whole, you know, research of the Gerson therapy. And that's what, that's what sat well with me and I did that. So this was, about what year was this, that they found it in your lymph nodes and a nodule in your lung? Yeah, so 2009 was the lymph nodes. Okay. And then in 2010, they found the lung nodule. And after they found it in your lymph nodes, did you opt not to do chemotherapy or radiation?

That's right. Yeah. So you decided to kind of let it rest, which I'm sure that was a little bit scary. And I'm sure that there were doctors telling you, excuse me, what do you mean you're not going to do anything about this right now? Did you get a lot of pushback from the doctors for that? You know, I did more from, I got more pushback from people I loved. Yeah, more from people I love you. Right.

Yeah, more from people I love and friends that thought, you know, you're a little bit, you're, why are you doing this? This is too deep. You have all these family members that had cancer. How in the world can you walk away from what the doctors are recommending? And how old were you at this point? So, oh, Lord, this was in 2000. And I think I was in my 40s, early 40s. So this was 14 years ago and 50, almost 57.

So, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So 43. Let's do the math. Okay. The doctors said, you need chemotherapy. Even as you said, that alternative doctor said, you need chemotherapy that just wasn't sitting while with you. And so you were researching, researching, researching. And what did you finally decide to do? Because obviously, you wanted to heal. You didn't want to die in your early 40s from cancer. And so tell me what you found that then informed the root that you took. Yeah, well, I was a researcher. And first of all, I think what informed me most was a lot of prayer and seeking God's peace in whatever direction it was. And he was so gracious to send me books and other people that had information for me. And my kids were a motivation for me. I had two young children that, you know, that really, I wanted to be around for them.

I didn't want to, you know, be sick. They were active. We did, you know, soccer every time we were turning around. There was just so much activity, and I just wanted to be there for them, you know. And so what really resonating with me was the Gerson therapy. So I really dug into that research. And when you look at Dr. Max Gerson and how he came about healing cancer, I mean, talk about in today's world, he is more pushed underneath the, you know, the carpet than any other doctor today.

And that was 60 plus years ago. And so Dr. I don't know anything about him. Well, he's an amazing, incredible doctor. He was in World War II helping. He actually was a Jewish doctor that was healing tuberculosis with his Gerson therapy. His Gerson therapy was birthed out of migraines. He had migraines himself and developed this treatment protocol that was very successful with other chronic diseases.

And at that time, a million people in Europe had died of tuberculosis. And so people were looking for, you know, treatments that would do that. I believe it was Dr. Fernand. I can't remember his last name, but he came to Dr. Gerson and said, if you can heal, I'm going to put together a study. If you can heal out of these 450 people, if you can heal a significant number, I'm going to stand behind you and carry the, you know, believe in you and believe what the Gerson therapy is about.

And he ended up healing like 448 or 445 of their 450. This is incurable tuberculosis. Wow. Well, people started coming to him, especially for chronic degenerative diseases like cancer. And so he was healing those with cancer. And this is like mid-century. And this is during World War II. Oh, this is still doing.

Okay. And he lost all of his siblings in the concentration camp. So all of this was going on, and it was all, you know, plant-based diet. It was, you know, a lot of detoxification. It was based on, you know, no sodium, the metabolism of the cells. I mean, he just studied what worked. And a lot of people talk about the alkaline and acidity part of cancer. What was really cool about Max Gerson is he dialed it in and,

realize that the more acidic your body is, the higher your hydrogen is in your cells. And the more hydrogen you have that repels oxygen. And we need oxygen to heal ourselves. So when I was reading things like that, Allie, I was like, this is really making sense to me. So he studied his, you know, his protocol. He actually escaped Nazi Germany and came to the United States. And during that time, of course, the United States, I think in the 1950s was looking for a cure for cancer. There was this bill that came about called the Pepper Neely Bill. They wanted to learn more, invited Dr. Gerson to come. I believe he was the first one to be on Capitol Hill presenting, you know, his therapy

brought his patients and all of his research, and it was remarkable. And he showed that people had healed. But in the meantime, the media got a hold of it. and, you know, people that don't want a Gerson therapy to replace some of the pharmaceuticals stepped in and they actually kind of, what's the word, distracted all of the media from being a part of it. So just so people know specifically what the Gerson protocol is, it involves a vegan diet, eight to 10 juices a day of fresh vegetables, right? Two to three coffee animas.

Now, I know what that is. A lot of people don't. You can probably put two and two together. A regimen of supplements, reduce stress, rest, meditating, and praying on, as you put it, on God's healing words. He was, as you said, not a Christian, but you're a Christian. So meditating on God's healing words. So that was the protocol.

And you're saying that he tried to introduce this to America as a healing regimen for all kinds of diseases, including cancer, but that he was sabotaged by people who had an interest in pharmaceuticals, which is it's similar to what Chris Wark has said when he's come on this podcast about breast cancer and some of the other healing strategies for that. So that's really interesting. Well, and you know, it's happened, history repeats itself. It has a way of repeating itself with what we're going through right now and people standing up, you know, against the narrative. It's repeating itself. And that's exactly what Dr. Max Gerson did. And, you know, he studied everything so much. He wrote a book, just so you know, he wrote this book. His manuscript was stolen. He was poisoned, almost died. And he lived through it. Took another year to write the same book. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political.

They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Was poisoned again.

They found arsenic in his system and he died. And so his 50-K studies book, which is what I read, is remarkable. I mean, it's 50-K studies of advanced cancer and how he healed it. And it's written for physicians. So it was really hard for me to go through it and try to figure things out. But Charlotte Gerson was his daughter, has written another book called Healing the Gerson Way. And so I read that book as well. And so what you just read was my protocol.

I modified it a little bit. The Gerson therapy is actually 10 to 13 juices a day. I did 8 to 10. I was a busy mom. And I just, I modified it to what I could do. I don't recommend necessarily modifying something tried and true. But I did what I, the best I could do with what I had. tried to do as much of the Gerson therapy as possible.

So you decided, you decided not to do any of the traditional methods of getting rid of your cancer. You decided to commit to this vegan lifestyle to oxygenate your cells. That's what Gerson purports, right? And that included all of this juicing, correct? That's right. That's how you oxygenate your cells. That's how you detox your cells.

there was just so much that made a lot of sense to me. You know, a lot of people that are doing alternative therapies are doing things like ozone therapy, which is a way to oxygenate your therapy or oxygenate your body and hyperbaric therapy is another way. But foods are the best way to oxygenate yourselves and to, you know, get rid of the things in our body, the toxins in our bodies that build up.

So he focused on the food first. Tell us about your specific journey. You were fully committed to this and then what happened? Yeah, I was fully committed. So I did do the radiation and the surgery originally and when it showed up at my lymph nodes. It took a little time and then in the summer after they found a long nodule, I really committed. And I backed off everything. I was working full time.

They were gracious enough to let me step back and work part time. I worked at home, so I made fresh juices every day. It changed our whole lifestyle. I mean, my kids learned about juicing, right? We got rid of our freezer and our, you know, in our garage, and we got a refrigerator, and, you know, we just did what we needed to do to heal and talk about removing stress. We actually were really active and involved in a church at the time, and we kind of stepped back and just we were visiting another church.

So we took about a year and a half just to step back from. that and just just you know take everything in and like he said. Try to eliminate the busyness as much as possible and just focus on what you need to focus on. That's right. Yeah. And my kids were just amazing and were so helpful. You know, we we all pitched in and, you know, juiced and we would go shopping at the market, you know, over the weekend. And, you know, prayer was really important and meditating on God's word. At that point, I had never read through the Bible. And so I knew, little bits from Sunday school and, you know, just doing Bible studies of what the Word of God said. But I had never read through the Bible from start to finish. And that changed my life.

And so I used that time of coffee animals to listen to the Word of God on tape and listen to worship, just really meditate on, you know, what his word said. And, you know, that he can heal me. Psalm 23 was huge for my own healing, just what he shows us in the Psalms. And it just was a beautiful time. I mean, I definitely can say, and Chris Fork says this too, that cancer you can be so much better on the other side of cancer than you were before. And we have since, Ali Beth, this has been such a journey for us, for our own family. Both of my kids have Addison's disease, and we have implemented what we've learned for

the Gerson Therapy with theirs. I don't know what that is. Yeah, their adrenals just don't function well. And so it's a chronic autoimmune disease that they have. And, you know, so we've reduced their, you know, their medication substantially. And, of course, they're grown men now. So, you know, they know what to do. And so when you walk kind of this healing out and you embrace the, that what it can do,

not only for you, but for your family, it just changes everything. It changes how we look at, you know, Thanksgiving. in the holidays. It, you know, it changes when my kids come home from college and they need some rest. We really just, you know, amp up the juicing and the smoothies. And, you know, right now is flu season. And we know what to do for flu season. We're not afraid of it. We're not afraid of COVID. We're not, you know, it just changes everything about how you look at health and wellness and address that. And you said that you committed to this very strictly for 18 months. What happened at the end of the 18 months?

Yeah. So, you know, I started introducing more things that were fun that may not have been, you know, on the Gerson therapy. But as far as your cancer, what was the state of it at this point? It was gone. Okay. Everything was gone. Everything healed. And I mentioned earlier that I was heading in for surgery for a different reason.

And that was a hysterectomy because I had fibroid tumors. They were healed. So when you heal from the, you know, when you heal from the, you know, when you heal from the inside out, it's not just cancer that's going to heal, right? So everything healed. So my triglycerides, my cholesterol was better. You know, my tremors got better. I have tremors from a head and neck injury when I was 16.

And my tremors even got better. I mean, it was just, it was just an amazing thing. And, you know, the peace of God just, you know, was over our family so much more because the healing also was emotional and it was spiritual. And so it was just a really great, a great time. And how many months after you got the news that it was in your lymph nodes and then later in your lungs, how long after that was the cancer gone? So the, let me just tell you, so the time that I found at my lymph nodes was in December.

I started full on the Gerson therapy. I started dabbling in it in January and did some juicing. I wouldn't do the detox regimen. and that was too extreme for me at that time. But when they found the lung nodule, which I think was in May, that next May, and they didn't, you know, biopsy yet, but most of my family had died of lung cancer.

So anytime you mention a lung nodule and our family were like, oh, you know, this is. So from that point on, it took, you know, another 18 months of committing completely to the Gerson therapy. And the lung nodule shrunk a little bit, It's still there, but it's not. I haven't had a cat skin about five years of my lungs. So, but everything, you know, was stable there and all of my lymph nodes healed.

And it was just, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so after that 18 months and then you were healed and you didn't have to do chemotherapy or radiation or any of those traditional methods, you said that you started kind of reintroducing something. So what did that look like and what does it look like all? these years later. Yeah, so it's been 13 years since I began. We eat a lot of, I eat a lot of fish.

I love fish. So if I'm going to eat meat, I try to do that. When you walk a healing journey out, you know what you need to do if you start feeling run down. So I remove the meat or remove the, you know, increase the juicing and do the detox regimen. So it still is regular. I juice regularly every day. We still juice. We juice in our family a lot. We do smoothies now. We didn't do smoothies when I was doing the Gerson Therapy, but we do smoothies as well. Yeah, we just eat healthier. You know, we do fasting is now a part of our regimen, so we do intermittent fasting. And we also do water fasting. So periodically we'll do a three or a five or a 10-day water fast. And what's the benefit of that? Yeah, so the water fasting just resets.

everything. It resets. If you're doing it for spiritual reasons, it will reset your mind that really help you to feast on God's word and draw closer to him, which I do it for both. If you're doing it for physical reasons, it resets your metabolism. It resets your desire for sweets. You know, if you're just a junk food addict, I really recommend a short water fast because if you do that and then jump into a diet or a healing regimen, it really will help you jumpstart that. that. And the cool thing about people don't know this, but fasting, let's say for people that are doing chemotherapy, when you fast, your body actually goes into protective mode. So your cells in your body go into protective mode. And those unhealthy cells are exposed. And so if you are somebody that's

doing chemotherapy, I highly recommend that you look into fasting before that because you will fast and then go into whatever treatment it is, whether it's high-dose vitamin C, whether it's, you know, if you're doing integrative and doing chemotherapy, your cells, the cells that are unhealthy will weaken and the cells that are healthy go into protective mode. So it's just, fasting is a remarkable healing tool that God gave us. And tell us about coffee animus. Really? You want to talk to well, not graphically. But I just want to hear like, what is the business? Because some people hear that and they're like, what in the world are you talking about? But someone that I follow, actually, she talks about the benefit of this too.

So I'm interested to hear like, I mean, what is supposed to be helpful about that? Yeah. So the Gerson Therapy, the coffee innamets, were a big part of that because you are juicing so much, eating so much plant-based food that the toxins in your cells are coming out. You know, so you need to get rid of those. If you don't get rid of those, you're just going to reabsorb it. So when you do coffee enumas, the bile stimulation is remarkable. And people that are listening to this, if you have a sick liver, you need to get it well. And so juicing and coffee enemas are one way that the Gerson therapy addressed that.

So, yeah, your bile stimulates it. So glutathione is something that people for years have tried to package and, you know, put in a capsule because it's anti-aging, well, it increases your glutathione by like 600 times. You know, I mean, there's so much, the stimulation, the bile, I think, is actually what increases 600 times more than a normal bile that's going through your system. But glutathione also increases. And there's palmatic acid. There's so much that comes out through the coffee into the portal vein, into your liver,

that really detoxes your liver. And just a fun fact. So coffee in ayes were in the... the Mark Manual until 1984. That's our medical journal. It's our medical manual. So it was in there until 1984. And then they took it out. That's very interesting. Tell me a little bit more about what God has taught you through all of this. Because not everyone listening to this is going to take this approach. They either have a different perspective or for whatever reason they might either take a more integrative approach. And so like my mom, for example, she had breast cancer and she did go through

radiation, but she also is a vegan. She does a lot of juicing. She's been really encouraged by you and Chris, whom we had on a couple years ago to talk about the same thing. But no matter what someone chooses, or maybe they're going the fully traditional medicalized root and they're just doing the chemotherapy and radiation. No matter what, there can be a spiritual transformation that happens. And God can meet the person with cancer where they are. So tell me about what you learned about God and his faithfulness in the midst of this. Yeah. So much. He is such a good, he is such a good father. And, you know, any time that we go through a point of suffering or trauma or something, when we really press into him, he shows up. He shows up. So for me, I shared with you that I never

read through the Bible before. So I understood that God was good. I understood that his promises are true. But when you read scripture from start to finish, you really get to see the character of God, the history of His people. And you can't wait for Jesus to show up in the New Testament. And so that was the first time that I read through it. But the more that I've read as Word, I've realized that Jesus is in scripture from start to finish. And so from Genesis to Revelation, you see our Savior. And I believe Ali Beth that, you know, we can do everything that we know to do. I believe that he gave us, you know, we are, this is his temple, that he lives in this, his Holy Spirit lives in. So we need to take care of it. I believe that not everybody's going to heal the side of heaven. But if we do

everything we know to do and we follow his word, his way, we seek his. We seek his. And we do. And we do, his peace and his joy. I believe that our lives can be a living testimony to him. And so I think that healing has a purpose in it. He's definitely shown me that. He has shown me that when I am anxious and weary and have just hard to lift my head, that he is right there for me, that his word is truth and he tells me to come to him. You know, I know that we, Healing Strong teaches, you know, an anti-cancer lifestyle and a lifestyle that's going to help people to heal physically.

But if that's all we did was teach them that, and we didn't teach them the true source of healing and our Savior, then we're just helping them be a little more comfortable in darkness. And so I really think he is the healer. He can heal us by doing, he can heal us by eating 10 crickets, right? There are people that do that. He can heal us by doing chemo and radiating. I believe that he can. He can heal us by doing the Gerson therapy. But when I read his word and I see what it says about the herbs and the greens,

when I see what it says about that bitterness rots the bones, right? And unforgiveness is, he talks about that a lot. Makes he sick. Right. It makes us sick. I believe his word is a very literal truth. And so all of that really points me to, I've got work to do. You know, if I could feast on his, I feast on his word, but if I could feast on the Bible, you're right, I can't make a meal out of the Bible.

He expects us to put in our body what is edifying for us physically and edifying for us spiritually. So I've just learned that he is very literally, he cares very literally about us physically. He cares about our emotional well-being. And he wants my spirit to connect with him. And so it's just been such a beautiful journey. You know, growing up, it's mind-body spirit, right? So we hear those words. But when you walk this journey out of healing for me anyway, it's very literal.

How am I going to heal physically? What can I do physically to make my body healthy? healthier is if I leave here and I go get a coffee at the famous coffee shop down the street with tons of sugar, is that going to feed my body health? If I go to a Mexican food restaurant and eat what I want, is that going to feed my body health? If I'm sick, I really need to pay attention to that because, you know, that's, I need to do everything I can to heal my body. Not to say we don't enjoy Mexican food and things like that now, but I can tell you when we are sick, we are sick, need to set up and take notice and know that there are things that we can do. There are choices

that we can make at home, you know, that can help us to heal. And that's what, that's what Healing Strong focuses on is just we aim to help people to thrive through their cancer, through the choices that they make at home. And that includes the spiritual connection with God. What are they doing? And ultimately, he's given us his word. It's right there for us. Yeah. And to anyone who thinks, because, you know, there are people who say, well, you know, This is kooky. It's anti-science, anti-medicine. I do just want to read some statistics that you have pointed out before.

I actually got this from your resources and you have cited all of these things. These are not things that you're just pulling out of the hat. But I think that this is interesting and just something for people to consider. Anyone who has a doubt that may be there are alternative methods of healing that can bring people hope outside of chemotherapy and radiation. I'm not a doctor. I'm not prescribing that for anyone, just saying there are stories of help and hope elsewhere. Within the past 50 years, there's only been a 5% drop in the death rate in cancer patients. However, the incidence of cancer is growing at an alarming rate.

In 1975, one out of seven people would be diagnosed with cancer. Today, the cancer rate for men is about one out of two, and the cancer rate for women is getting close to the same ratio. In 2010, the report for the president's cancer panel, a three-person panel that reports to the U.S. President on the national cancer programs that approximately 41% of Americans will be diagnosed with cancer during their lifetime. According to the WHO, cancer is the leading cause of death worldwide is the second most common cause of death in the United States. Now, here's the other side of that. This reminds me, by the way, this is like a parallel to so many problems in our country. country that have only gotten worse as we have paid more to them, like our education system, since 1971, two trillion dollars have been spent on conventional cancer research, $2 trillion in the past 50 years.

75% of oncologists who were surveyed by the McGill Cancer Center would not take the chemo that they recommend their lung cancer patients. Chemotherapeutic drugs are the only classification of drugs that the doctor who prescribed the protocol for the patient actually gets a direct cut. Now, that's interesting. Do you have insight to tell us a little bit more about that? Yeah, and I think you and Chris talked about this too. So they have changed that a little bit.

But now the workaround for that is that they bring you in more. So, you know, instead of having an appointment every, you know, once a month, they're going to do more appointments. So they've done a work around. But that's truth, that the chemotherapy drugs were the only drugs that a physician could prosper on. So they buy them from the pharmaceutical companies. Turn around. You come in. So they profit from whatever their protocol is. They profit from that. So let's say we're going to prescribe you, you know, three months of chemotherapy. It's going to be $100,000, but they only pay. And I'm just,

I don't know what the cost is. Let's say they only pay, you know, $10,000 to the pharmaceutical company. They can market up whatever they want. And that was interesting to me. You know, you could go to some oncologist, and it might cost this much, but others, it might cost this much. And it's the same drug. They can mark it up whatever they wanted to. And now the thing is that they will bring you in. So much has changed in 10 years. And this is, I think if there is anything that I want to say regarding that, is that know that you, it's your body.

And when you go into an oncologist's office, be informed, be ready to ask these questions. Chris Work has a great, great resource called 20 questions to ask your oncologist, Chris Beat Cancer. And so I highly recommend that. So go in, ready to ask those questions and know that it's your body. And if they're going to have a hard time with you asking these questions, they're going to get upset at you because you're asking all of these questions, bringing up, you know, the stats like you're bringing up and asking them to address. that, then you probably need to walk away and find a new doctor. It's okay. It's okay. I know that this is not what you're doing, but I can just know preemptively what the comments will be some of the comments. This is not a demonization of all doctors. This is not a demonization

of all medicine, traditional medicine. This is not a demonization of all oncologists by any means. I think, I mean, the doctors that I've worked with, they haven't had cancer, think the Lord, have been people who really want to help. Now, some doctors don't know about alternative methods or they have been informed in medical school that there's no such thing as alternative methods. The one doctor that I had in the past pregnancy that I had was the most integrative doctor that I have been around very, I mean, an OBGI am for 40 years, but also extremely trusting of women's instincts and women's bodies and alternative.

of holistic methods of induction and things like that. And so that was really interesting. I've seen it done well. And then I've seen the doctors that refuse to listen to their patients and refused to even have any common sense. Because, you know, I have hypothyroidism. And I have been reliably informed from my traditional doctors, my endocrinologist, that there is absolutely nothing that you can do as far as your diet or exercise or life.

lifestyle to help your thyroid at all. And as someone who didn't go to medical school, I'm just thinking, that doesn't even sound like common sense. So a lot of this is just common sense. You don't have to be anti-medicine, anti-doctors, anti-science to say it's probably common sense for us to eat healthier if we want to make our bodies better, right? Right. Absolutely. And you know, it's definitely we're not demonizing traditional medicine. There is a place for it. But, But why in the world has this, you know, last decade or this last 100 years changed so much for medical care? And if you go back and look at, medical schools changed in the 19, I don't know, the Flexner Report when it came out. He was a teacher and he was hired by the Rockefellers to go and research all the medical, you know, schools. They shut down 50% of medical schools because he said there were too many doctors. And the medical schools that they shut down the most were the ones that, you know, focused on holistic or traditional medicine or holistic or homeopathic medicine. So I think it's just really important that we, that we research the truth, that we find out the truth and we do what's best for us. And like I said, I did, I started, you know, my own route out doing traditional.

But so did my family. And my family died. And so, and there are many people out here that no. people that have cancer. And maybe some of them have cancer and they're wondering what to do. And if there's anything that I can say is just do your own research. And look at, Bernie Siegel has a great quote. He wrote Love Medicine and Miracles. And he said, you know, we need to study those patients that have done extraordinarily well, not the ones that have, you know, that we can measure, but the ones who've done extraordinarily well. And when we

look at those, and that's, that's a summary of his quote, but when we look at those patients that have healed stage three and four cancer that only have, like you said, a 2.1% or 2.3% chance of survival for five years. What in the world are they doing? I want to know about it. Yeah. You know, what did they do that was so different that helped them beat the odds? 98% of people don't, you know, live beyond five years. So why aren't we asking the questions? I think that's the important thing is do what is best for you, but be a well-informed patient and know that you don't have to go with, you know, the first doctor if the doctor is not going to come along and partner with you and help you answer those questions.

This is your body or it's your kid's body. You know, it's your health and it's your well-being. And it's so very important that we know that we need to be well-informed patients. Yeah. When my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer, you know, they tell you that it's, you know, it might just be best to get a double mastectomy. And that feels, I think, like she would say that that, she was tempted to do that at first because it just feels like, just get it out of me.

Just do the most that you have to do so that I don't have cancer. But then when you pause, when you pray, when you research, when you talk to people, she realized that, well, there's not for her, in her case, I'm not speaking for everyone. In her case, it didn't increase her chances of survival for her to get a double mastectomy versus a lumpectomy. So she went with the last invasive choice. Thankfully, she is healing and has healed really well. She did go through radiation shorter than was originally recommended, but her doctor worked with her and then she has taken on a lot of this protocol as well. And it's really been an incredible health transformation for her.

And so I think that there is a lot of wisdom in talking to second and third opinions, talking to people who have healed and what has worked for them, and to pause for a second in wisdom and not to make rash decisions out of fear because understandably, when someone hears the word cancer, you just want to do the most dramatic, or I don't want to say dramatic, like I'm trivializing it, but the most intense thing immediately, because that in your mind, I think it makes you feel like that's going to be the best healing, but maybe not. But maybe not. It could actually make you worse on the other side of it, right? Yeah, I think how we look at the tumor is, you know, most people have, you know, there are blood cancers and then there are cancers like your mom had breast cancer.

so there obviously was a measurable tumor. And there are several people that have put analogies out there that just really stood out to me when I was doing my own research. You know, number one is we're in this tumor tizzy, where we think we've got to get this tumor out. And there's a great book called Cancer Step Outside the Box. And in that book, they give a really cool analogy that if you were taking your car to a mechanic and the check engine light was on,

and you drove up and you're like, ah, my check engine lights on. and can you check it out for me? And the mechanic leaned in, saw it, went got his hammer, smashed it out, ripped it out of the thing, and said, there you go. You're well, it's the check engine lights off. You know, you may leave. What would you do?

You would never come back to that, doctor, or to that, you know, mechanic again because of the choice that he chose to get rid of what the problem that you saw, which was the check engine light. And tumors are a check engine light. It's not, you know, a diabetic, if a diabetic gets gangrene on their foot and the doctor cuts her foot off, he's not healing diabetes, right? Cancer is the same way, and we've got to look at cancer different. It's not the tumor.

The tumor is the symptom of what's happening. There are cells in there that have gone rogue, but our body, our liver, our, you know, our metabolism, what we're eating, the sodium potassium balance, the, you know, the things that have. happen in our body that has made us sick. And if we don't address those things, including the emotional connection. And the spiritual. Yes, and the spiritual. Then we're not going to heal. So it's, it's all about the whole body, you know. And I think that we really, especially with, we're seeing more and more cancer, younger people are getting it aggressive cancers right now. And it's so important to know that there is, you can heal, but you've got to make choices that don't happen

in the doctor's office. Your choice to heal, 30,000 choices, I think we make a day. 30,000. So, you know, you sit in a doctor's office for an hour and a half. That's not where you're healing. You're healing at home. And so what are you going to do to feed your body well, to feed your mind well, you know, to reconnect with the Lord? You know, what is going to make that difference for you. It's, and it's not just about cancer. It's all of us are dealing, so many people are dealing with something. And, and I just really recommend that people really take a step back and go, I need to address the whole being. All of Susie needs to be addressed. And that's, that's when you're going to walk out of this way better on the other side of whatever your diagnosis is.

And sometimes, obviously, the symptoms have to be treated if a tumor is inhibiting the of, you know, a certain body part. But the point is that it goes much deeper than that. That is not curing the cancer. And even the best and most integrative doctor can't heal you spiritually, can't take away your anxiety, can't take away your stress. You talked about the changes that you and your family made holistically. You changed your schedule.

You changed your responsibilities. And no matter how great the doctor is, they cannot do those things for you. It has to be a commitment to change and a Holy Spirit empowered discipleship regimen, basically. That's also a really big part of this. Absolutely. Yeah. Just really being in tune with him, you know, knowing his word, he will speak with you. He has a great way of bringing it up just when we need it, you know? and it's just a, it's a wonderful opportunity to make some drastic changes, you know, when you get a diagnosis of cancer, any chronic disease to go, okay, this is, you know, all right, Lord, you're going to lead us through this.

We're going to get on the other side of it. And I know we need to address some things, you know, for the whole being. Well, thank you so much for sharing your story. And can you tell people how they can connect with you. you how can they connect with Healing Strong? Because if you've created this organization that provides resources but also provides counseling through connection with other people who have gone through this. So tell people how they can find that. Yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah, your mom's part of that week. That's how we met. So Healing Strong is a nonprofit organization. We started 10 years ago

and birthed out of my own cancer journey. And there were 10 of us that came together and prayed and said, God, what can we do? We actually ended up doing a holistic conference that was standing room only. People were so hungry for the information. And afterwards, the group model began. We realized how powerful it was to come together in community. And so right now, we have supported over 500 groups in the United States, Canada, and a few international countries.

People can go on our website to Healingstrong.org, and they can find a group either online that meets. We usually have meetings almost every day of the month. They can look at the calendar, or they can look at an online group or an in-person group, you know, where they're located, which I hope there is one. And if there isn't, they can start their own. So, you know, we have the resources, the curriculum, the training, the support. We're run 98% mostly by volunteers that have been in the same situation that just want to support others. And people don't have to be doing just holistic. We have integrated. We have people that are doing conventional treatments, and they just want to learn what can I do after this is over. So, you know, we do teach an anti-cancer lifestyle.

We teach plant-based eating for a little while. You need to focus on that. We teach detoxification, supplementation, emotional healing. We art therapy and music therapy and, you know, things like that that just really help you. And then, of course, we also have Bible studies that we work with on the Bible app. you can get Healing Strong's Bible studies. One of my favorite... Is it the U-Version app? The U-Version app? You just search Healing Strong.

And we have... And we focus on healing and trusting God's plan. But my favorite program that we did the last three years and we just put it out on an app is called Around the Word in 80 days. And it was birthed out of, you know, the COVID

and what happened during that time. Our groups weren't meeting. But we wanted to read the word together. And so we just came together in community online every single day. And we read the word in 80 days. And so we recorded that. And it's our community reading the Bible together. And we just encourage people.

If you just want to, you know, listen to the word being read in community, it goes really fast. It's not the same really great voices that are on the Bible app reading the Bible. It's our community that's reading it. We have hiccups when we read it. We laugh. And, you know, it's just a really great community. community, but around the word in 80 days, and that can be found on our website, or you can go to around the word and 80 days.org, and it's there as well. But, you know, we just try to focus on

rebuilding the body, renewing the soul, and refreshing the spirit in God's word. Well, thank you so much. This has been wonderful. I know so encouraging for so many people, and I just, I know that the exact right person is going to be listening to this or watching this, and they are going to realize maybe for the first time that there is hope and that there are other people who have walked through a journey of healing that maybe the Lord is leading them on to. And so thank you so much for taking the time to come in and share your story. And I just love that he's a God of redemption. And he takes what Satan means for evil and makes it into something good and something for his glory and the good of other people. So thank you so much. Thank you for having me.

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