Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 927 | Is Tumblr Making Kids Trans? | Guest: Daisy Strongin (Part One)

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

Starting point is 00:00:19 We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day Show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Daisy Strongen is a 24-year-old woman, a wife and mom who attempted to transition into a male at the age of 18. She started on testosterone and then got a double mastectomy all to live out this idea of finally three. being a man. Now she is not only a wife and mom, but a Christian. And so she is here to tell us her incredible story. And there are so many lessons for parents and this and also for young people.

Starting point is 00:01:13 And this is part one of the story. It was a long and very fruitful conversation. And so there is going to be a part two as well. But today is part one of her testimony. This episode is brought to you by friends at GoodRanchers. Go to GoodRanchers.com. Use code Alley at checkout. That's GoodRanchers.com. Code Alley. Daisy, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. Thank you for having me. Yeah. So for people who don't know, Daisy was the center of the recent Prager You documentary on D transitioning. And you reached out to me on Instagram. Of course, I saw the documentary and I saw you there. But then you reached out to me on Instagram. and you told me a little bit about your story specifically about your faith and then a little bit about

Starting point is 00:02:09 how kind of relatable may have played a role in all of that, a small role. And so I wanted to have you on to talk to you about your story and all of that. So I'm kind of going to just give you the floor. I want to back up as early as we can in your life. Tell me a little bit about your upbringing. I had a pretty normal childhood. My parents divorced when I was around six. And then when I was around nine years old, I started having like self-esteem issues. I remember I started seeing a therapist whenever I was nine, mostly talking about the self-esteem issues. I don't know exactly where they originated from because, like I said, you know, I had really good parents.

Starting point is 00:03:05 They didn't, you know, plant the idea in my head that I was not good enough or that I was stupid or anything. I just kind of believe that about myself. And I think it came from comparison to other kids, I guess. And you have siblings? Yes. I have an older brother. He's my half-brother. He's, like, nine years older than me.

Starting point is 00:03:33 So he moved out when I was, like, about nine, eight, nine. Okay. But, yeah, I was seeing a therapist at the age of nine. And then fast forward to when I was about 11, I got my first laptop and I had basically unrestricted internet access. And my parents, like, they didn't know what the consequences of that would be at the time because this was like 2009. So pretty much right away, I spent just a lot of time online and on YouTube. And even before I had my own computer, I spent a lot of time on, like, the family computer, you know.

Starting point is 00:04:33 And just I had a very like kind of ADHD brain where like I always really enjoyed going online because it was just like an infinite, infinite massive information and entertainment. I could just go to the next thing and the next thing and the next. And so it got to the point in middle school where I would basically just spend all day online. And my parents were concerned about that. Even at school? Not at school, but whenever I would come home, I would. So you're like addicted to it. Yeah, pretty much.

Starting point is 00:05:10 And I didn't have a lot of friends. I had friends, but I wasn't like, I wasn't that social. I've always been like a more introverted person, just want to like, stay in my head, in my own little world. Mm-hmm. And that mixed with just the depression and the mental issues that I was having and also just being in middle school. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:38 Just that's a, that's a time of weirdness and awkwardness. Yeah. And new feelings. And it was, it all became very heavy. Mm-hmm. on my mind. Just feeling like uncomfortable with yourself or bad about yourself. That's what was laying on you.

Starting point is 00:06:00 Definitely. Especially as I reached like eighth grade, I just noticed that the separations between boys and girls started to become a lot more obvious. Because in elementary school, I had a lot of guy friends. Like I mostly was friends with the boys. and I did not problematize that. But then in eighth grade, I not only found myself just like wanting to socialize more with boys,

Starting point is 00:06:33 but also becoming attracted to boys. And also, that's probably when the feelings of wanting to be a boy really started to amp up. And I don't know what caused this to be perfectly honest. I would say I'm kind of an anomaly in terms of, like, detransitioners, because I don't have any, like, sexual trauma. Like, I was not, I was not sexually abused, thank God. Right. Yeah, that is a common thing that I hear a lot from female, you know, females who have tried to transition so-called into a man, de-transition, is that there's almost always a sexual trauma component. But that's not your story.

Starting point is 00:07:16 No, and I will say, the feelings of being a boy didn't just come out of nowhere in eighth grade. They go back to when I was like probably four years old. I remember watching movies and just wanting to emulate male characters and not relating to female characters at all. And I remember even like saying to my parents, I'm a boy. Or I would say like I'm half boy, half girl, things like that. And that was like, you know, obviously way before I ever knew about what transgender was. So I don't know where that comes from, exactly. Mm-hmm.

Starting point is 00:07:55 Been trying to figure that out. But I, yeah. So did you, you said that you were seeing a therapist at the age of age, at the age of nine, because of feelings of inadequacy, not liking yourself, maybe even depressed. and anxiety. Yes. And were you seen that therapist continuously throughout elementary and middle school? I saw him for maybe two years and then I saw a different therapist in eighth grade.

Starting point is 00:08:32 Were they helpful, would you say? Yeah. I guess. I mean, it's always helpful to kind of vocalize your feelings. to have someone maybe like give a different perspective on it from like an outsider perspective and someone who obviously is a psychiatrist who could maybe help you understand where these feelings are coming from. But I still just felt like very much like I have no idea.

Starting point is 00:09:06 Like there's something wrong with me. I just felt very like alien. And I know like that's normal for middle schoolers to feel that. but I just felt like it was even more so because I was like, why do I want to cross dress all the time? Why do I want to have short hair? Why do I want to look like Justin Bieber and not like, like I was, I yeah, yeah, it was, it was, um, all just, I felt like I was very strange in, in a way,

Starting point is 00:09:37 again, that I problematized. Yeah. And I started questioning my sexuality. I was like, does this mean that I'm. lesbian because I'm not, but I want to look so butch. And, you know, that's how I, you know, at the time I was like that if you're a girl and you want to look like a boy, that probably means that you're gay, but I'm not. I was just very confused. Yeah. Are you scared of those feelings? Um, at first, yes, because again, at this time, this is like 2012. So I didn't know what

Starting point is 00:10:25 transgender what. I mean, I knew, but it was like very like taboo. I did not. I don't even think I knew that trans men existed. Um, so yeah, and I kind of went back and forth for a while between like, so in eighth grade, I very much looked like a boy and kind of wanted people to think I was a boy. And then when I entered ninth grade, which was high school, I was like, okay, I need to stop, I need to stop doing this. I want a boyfriend. Like, I want to make myself look more feminine. And I did enjoy that in a way. I, um, there were times where I felt pretty and, but those feelings were still there.

Starting point is 00:11:29 And I would still like try to cross dress in, in private. Yeah. Yeah. So it was beyond feeling like you're a tomboy because yeah. That's one thing where girls are like, yeah, I just don't like dresses and I like to play sports. But there was something almost you felt like it was a subpoil. diversive desire that you had to not just be a little bit more masculine, but to dress, like to cross dress, right? Like you felt like you needed to kind of keep it secret in a way. Yeah. Yeah. Especially when I

Starting point is 00:12:00 saw how just it made me like when I did cross dress like and have short hair in eighth grade and, you know, try to look like a boy. It didn't. really it didn't exactly help my social life it kind of um led to some bullying so I was like okay I should probably just fit in it's fine like I'll grow my hair out and you know I'll just change myself and so yeah freshman year I was kind of more feminine and then I just got the urge to cut my hair again in like sophomore year. What did your, what were your, were your parents guiding you through this at all? Or were they kind of just like do what you want?

Starting point is 00:12:58 Yeah. I think they thought it was kind of probably weird when I was cross, when I wanted to cross-tress all the time or most of the time. They didn't like say anything like, you have to stop this. But they probably thought it was odd. And my mom really encouraged me in my femininity when I seemed to become more interested in that. And I do remember I really had to beg her to let me cut my hair for that second time because she actually was worried that I was going to start wanting to transition,

Starting point is 00:13:40 because this is in like 2014. And this whole time I'm just like chronically online. Yeah. And I was going to ask about that because you did, you kind of teased that a little bit, how you got your laptop when you, when it was 2009 and you were kind of addicted to being online. What do you think, like what affected that have and like what sites were you visiting? Yeah. So I spent a lot of time on YouTube and Tumblr. I originally got on Tumblr because I was a huge nerd. And I really liked Doctor Who and Sherlock. And I really liked, you know, I would spend time in like those fandom communities. I wasn't at all looking for gender-related stuff at first.

Starting point is 00:14:31 But then that, the gender tumbler stuff and the Dr. Who Sherlock stuff, there's some intersection. Because I think that a lot of the girls that were in those fandoms all, also felt like they didn't fit in and were just kind of outcasts. And a lot of them happened to have the same weird gender feelings, if you will. Yeah, I don't know anything about that. Yeah. Yeah. But I basically came across something that was talking, was defining this term called

Starting point is 00:15:12 genderqueer. And I was like, what is that? Like in this is 2014? 13, I think. 2013. So like right when you were in high school, you came across this? I think I was a freshman. Okay.

Starting point is 00:15:25 And it was basically saying gender queer is when you feel like you're neither male nor female or like you're a bit of both. And I really resonated with that. Like, oh yeah, I do feel like I'm both because I do like to look masculine, but I also like to look feminine. I must be genderqueer then because I have this like variance of, you know, different ways of wanting to express myself. And at first I was like, this isn't going to like take over my life or anything. I'm just going to resonate with this privately. I'm not going to like go and change my pronouns.

Starting point is 00:16:05 I don't want to deal with that. But I'm glad I found this term. And I'm really, I feel a lot less. bad about myself because there are other people who are like me, who have similar interests, who actually feel the same way. So at first I was like, this is a very positive thing. And, you know, I was naive and had, you know, I've always been like a very open person. So the idea of someone identifying as both a boy and a girl, it's not like that was weird or nonsensical to me. It just, it really felt like me. So,

Starting point is 00:16:43 So that's kind of when it started. Yeah. And then I kind of fell into a rabbit hole of all of these other, like, different made-up identities regarding gender and people. You know, it's not like I was groomed by adults to believe I was trans. It was other people. It was other young people, mostly young girls who were sharing their own interior experiences. And again, it did not seem like a negative thing at all, but I've always been kind of an obsessive person and I got a little obsessed with it. And you're talking about stories that you were reading online?

Starting point is 00:17:29 Yes. Yeah. Just the idea of identifying as not a girl, I guess. Yeah. on like Tumblr, mostly, Reddit, YouTube? Yeah, Tumblr and YouTube. Because then I started watching YouTube videos of people documenting their transition. So the idea of me being a trans guy was still like, oh, I'm not that.

Starting point is 00:17:59 Because I like to look pretty and I don't hate my body. Like when I went through puberty, I did not. I was fairly indifferent about the changes that were happening. so I didn't really have physical dysphoria and I was attracted to boys. So there were a lot of red flags that I kind of ignored of like, hey, maybe this actually doesn't make any sense

Starting point is 00:18:22 for you to identify as a boy. But you take that and, you know, oh, I've been saying I wanted to be a boy since I was four. That's very much in line with the narrative. And the feelings were very consistent and I just felt more like almost like a sense of euphoria when I looked in the mirror and thought that I looked like a boy. So, you know, there were a lot of things that I started connecting the dots. And as I sort of dove into the gender community, I guess you could say, it started to become.

Starting point is 00:19:09 very, I started to convince myself that like, I'm probably trans because there were a lot of influencers saying things like, if you think you're trans, you probably are. And just that being trans is something that is inherent and, or inherent and spiritual and can't be changed. And that's also, unfortunately when I, this is probably 2014, 2015, when I started to hear things like if you're trans and you don't transition, you'll probably off yourself at some point. Which is so upsetting because nobody has the authority to tell someone that they're going to kill themselves. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:59 It's almost like a threat, you know? But it's like it's a different kind of threat because they're not saying I'm going to do something to you. But if you don't do this, you're going to do this to yourself. Yes. Sounds a lot like Satan, actually. Yeah. Yeah. And I was not, I was not doing well mentally.

Starting point is 00:20:16 I haven't gone that much into my mental health state in high school, but I was very depressed and still very, like, had a lot of self-loathing and just, so the idea that I might kill myself one day, it's not like it was out of the question. I felt like I was very emotionally weak and vulnerable at that time. And I knew what it felt like to have suicidal thoughts. So hearing that, it went in like two years, it went from being just like this silly little label that I felt like fit me and just like kind of a personality trait really. You're right. To this is life and death.

Starting point is 00:21:04 2015 is when I came to the conclusion that I needed to transition fully. And you're how old at this point? 17. I had just turned 17. Okay. And did your parents know that you were going through this in your head? I think, yeah, I remember coming out to my dad as genderqueer in like 2013 and him just like not understanding it at all. He's like, I don't know why you're telling me that you're a tomboy.

Starting point is 00:21:44 like it's not a big deal. Yeah. Yeah, he didn't know what to do with that. Yeah. And I was like, I really wanted them to get it. I really wanted them to understand me. But. And did you still have a therapist at this point that you were telling these things to?

Starting point is 00:22:04 Yes. So I've seen three different therapists in my youth. There was one at nine. There was one in eighth grade. And then there was one that I started seeing from age like 15 to, 22, actually. So I saw her for a long time. And I did articulate these feelings to her. And she didn't, she actually did not affirm me, but she also didn't say, like, no, you're not trans or no, your feelings are wrong, which I think, honestly, is the job of a therapist to do. You know,

Starting point is 00:22:38 she would ask me, like, where do you think these feelings come from? She wasn't quick to say, like, yes, you should do this or no, you shouldn't do this. And so, you know, I told my parents in 2015, like, hey, I think I'm actually a boy inside, and I tried my best to describe it. And again, they just were like, so I don't, you're a masculine woman, like, just be a masculine woman. And I was like, no, no, no, I'm not a woman at all. And I tried desperately for them to get that.

Starting point is 00:23:14 because these were really strong feelings that I had. And I really, I was very nervous that they would react negatively. And I wanted to try to frame it in a way that made them sympathetic to it. And overall, their reaction was negative. They were pretty, especially as, I actually started to take steps to medically transition, they were pretty horrified by it. Yeah. They did not know what to do to stop me, though, because once I turned 18, like, they didn't really

Starting point is 00:23:55 have the authority to keep me from getting on testosterone. Did you have the money to do that yourself? It wasn't expensive. It was like, I think I spent like $60 getting it. And did you have to get a sign off from a psychiatrist? No, not for the testosterone. Really? No. You were able to just, where did you go to get it?

Starting point is 00:24:18 I went to a clinic in Chicago. It wasn't Planned Parenthood. I don't know if I should say the name of the clinic. Okay. I was curious if it was Planned Parenthood. So it was just a clinic. And you just walked in and said, I want testosterone and they gave it to you? Yeah, pretty much. So I called and I made, I called them and I said, hi, I'm interested in going your informed consent route, which is basically the route where you have to be 18 plus. but you don't need a letter from a therapist. And they said, and they made an appointment with me. And I remember it was August 18th, 2016.

Starting point is 00:24:58 And I was like, well, they're probably, it's exciting that I have the appointment, but it's probably like super psychoanalytical. They're probably not going to give me the hormones right away. And then I went in and I think they asked, me like how long have you been identifying as trans? Do you have gender dysphoria? And I was like,

Starting point is 00:25:23 yes, I feel disconnected from my femaleness, which is, which was true. You know, I didn't lie to get what I wanted. And yeah, so they not only prescribed me the hormones, but I did my first shot there because they were like, well, you need to know how to do this. Um, And they were very congratulatory. And I remember walking out and, like, there was another trans person waiting there being like, congratulations. And everyone was just, like, very happy for me. Very affirming.

Starting point is 00:25:59 I could see how that would give anyone euphoria. Yes. Especially if you're someone who felt kind of, like, displaced in their own body for so long and felt not affirmed in a lot of ways, to finally feel like, wow, people are congratulating me for living authentically. This is going to solve my problems. I could see how that would be attractive. Yeah. And the reason why I went on testosterone so quickly, because I had been identifying as a boy for about a year at that point. And you had tried to change your pronouns in your name. Yeah, I changed my pronouns in my name as soon as I like realized that I, you know, was trans or thought I was trans.

Starting point is 00:26:51 But I wanted to go on hormones so quickly because I was not passing. I did not, you know, my voice was very feminine and strangers were still calling me miss. And people were tripping up all the time and calling me she. that's when I started to problematize my body and my God-given traits and feeling like, okay, everything about me is wrong. Like not just meant, not just psychologically or socially or whatever, but physically. Like my breasts are a birth defect and my voice is wrong. I should have been, I was born in the wrong body. I should have been born in a male body.

Starting point is 00:27:39 And I did not go through a male puberty, and that's a huge problem. I'm 18 years old, and I look like a 12-year-old boy, if anything. So I felt like there was a sense of urgency to get on hormones and to fix the horrible problem that was my body. Hey, this is Steve Deast. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe. leave is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives

Starting point is 00:28:19 and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this Steve Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen And wherever you get podcasts, I hope you'll join us. So you started on the testosterone when you were 18. And like, how exactly does that work? I've had a few detransitioners on the show.

Starting point is 00:29:02 And they've kind of said different things. But like, did they just send you home with a box of testosterone shots and you self-administered those? Like, did you have an endocrinologist or anyone who was checking up on you to make sure, like, you weren't injecting them all at the same time or anything? Yeah, I had a couple of follow-up meetings with an endocrinologist, but they didn't watch me particularly closely. I do remember at one point I had asked to like increase my dosage because I felt like it wasn't working quick enough. And so I was injecting, I don't remember what the exact amount was, but.

Starting point is 00:29:49 Then I came back to get my levels checked and they said that, oh, this is way too much. And if you inject too much, then it's going to convert back into estrogen, actually. So they really were also, they were not focused on the scientific side of it as like they were also obsessed with the aesthetics. Like I remember asking me like, so what do you want to look like? Do you want a beard? Do you want to be super buff? I'm like, it's not possible for me to be super buff, first of all. Like, I tried.

Starting point is 00:30:21 It's not, but it, yeah, it was, it was like the way that they viewed bodies, it was like they were so, they're so customizable, you know. And I just remember, like, some red flags going up. Like, one of the doctors that I saw at one of my follow up visits went by, went by dinosaur pronouns, like sore, sore self. What? Yeah. And I was like... Did you have to try to like respect those pronouns? Like, oh my goodness.

Starting point is 00:30:56 It was like one of the options. It was like, oh, I like, he, they are sore. And I'm like, come again? She's like, yeah, like dinosaur. I was like, valid. Okay. Okay. Well, we're told that that has to be valid,

Starting point is 00:31:12 just as valid as anything else. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, I don't know. I think I was probably 19 at that time. And I remember thinking that's a little kooky. Like you're a doctor. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:25 Wow. So, yeah, it was definitely a weird experience there. And then two years on the hormones is when I had the double mastectomy at 20. Were you in college? Did you have a job? Yeah, I was in college and I had a job. I really wanted to just like blend in. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:31:51 I didn't, I didn't transition for attention or anything. I just wanted to, you know, make myself look as male as possible and be stealth, which is basically when nobody knows that I'm trans and everyone just sees me as a guy. Yeah. And how did you feel after you started going on testosterone mentally and physically? Really good in some ways. So, oh, I forgot to mention this. This is pretty significant. So at the end of high school, I became very suicidal and was starting to have like a plan. And I went to the hospital. And I went to the hospital. And I, was in an inpatient program. And I was identifying as trans at this time. Because you attempted suicide or just because you told you knew that you were about to try? Yeah, I knew I was about to try.

Starting point is 00:32:52 And I told my mom about it. And she was like, okay, that's it. We're taking you to the hospital. Thank God you told your mom. Yeah. I mean, I was having like a mental breakdown. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:06 So I was identifying as trans. I was not on testosterone yet. So I still looked basically like a female or maybe like a very young boy. And I spent six days in this inpatient mental health facility. And none of the doctors there asked really, like, they knew I was trans, but they didn't relate that to any of my other problems. they kind of just seem to see that as just like, oh, yeah, that's normal. That's valid, you know. And literally two months after I was released is when I went on hormones.

Starting point is 00:33:50 And they also prescribed me Zoloft, like a high dose. So I went on Zoloft and went on testosterone at the same time. And nobody really bad an eye at it or, you know, questioned if maybe that would have adverse effects. I was manic. I was very, I felt like a different person. I felt like I had a very different psychology because I think the testosterone gave me a lot of energy. Yeah. I was uncontrollably angry in a way that I had never felt before. I felt like whenever I would get angry, I wanted to like actually like, hurt people or just like punch something or just like physically express that anger. And it just, you know,

Starting point is 00:34:47 it put me through a male puberty. Yeah. So it was very, um, it was very overwhelming to deal with. Um, and I think I don't know exactly how it interacted with the Zoloft, but, um, I remember. I remember thinking, oh, these feelings of like feeling manic is because that's how my therapist actually described it. I've never been diagnosed with bipolar, but she was like, you are exhibiting, you're like scaring me. Like you're talking a mile a minute.

Starting point is 00:35:23 You're exhibiting behavior of someone who's going through a manic episode. And I thought, oh, it must be the Zoloft, not the testosterone. That can't have anything to do with it. And, you know, when you're manic, you kind of feel good, but it's also a very dangerous. I mean, I'm not a psychologist, but what I was told is it is actually a very dangerous place to be in. And you're actually more likely to harm yourself because you make, it makes you, like, make very rash decisions and it makes you act much more impulsively. and yeah, I definitely felt that happening. So it was a really strange time for me.

Starting point is 00:36:10 I kind of felt like I went crazy a little bit. And the clinic administering or giving you the testosterone, they didn't say, hey, like, are you on any, like, middle health medications, or do you have a history of mental health that were Are they concerned it all with underlying conditions? I don't recall them asking me that. Yeah. Well, obviously, even if they did ask you, it didn't stop them from giving you the testosterone and celebrating your transition.

Starting point is 00:36:44 After you were on testosterone for a couple of years, you said that you went to get a double oestectomy at this point. You're what, 20? Yeah, 21. 1920. Okay, 1920. Okay. Yeah. So I was looking for a surgeon.

Starting point is 00:37:10 in Chicago who would do it. It wasn't particularly hard to find one. Because at this point, the whole transgender thing in culture was probably like at its peak point of acceptance at this point. Because Caitlin Jenner had just come out and it was a huge, you know, part of the social conversation. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. I think at first, generally, the culture was just kind of like, okay, yeah, you do you. You know, if gender dysphoria, it's in the DSM-5, you know, trans people seem to be happy. Like, so it wasn't, it wasn't hard to find someone.

Starting point is 00:38:00 I don't think it would be now, but, so I called this surgeon's office and there was a longer wait. They couldn't get me in quickly, but that's because there were a lot of people seeking the surgery. And so I think I waited maybe six to eight months before I had the consultation where she did tell me, like, you won't be able to breastfeed if you get this surgery. And I was fully operating under the assumption that I would be trans for the rest of my life. And, you know, I would have told you that I wanted to have a family. But at the time, having biological children and breastfeeding was, like, not important to me at all. I was like, I don't, I'm a man. I'm not.

Starting point is 00:38:53 Why would I get pregnant, you know? Yeah. So I probably thought that I was actually going to do surrogacy, which, you know, I thought was just like this great thing. Also being completely ignorant of how expensive it is to do. something like that. Or maybe I would adopt and, you know, I don't like, I think it takes a very, very special type of person to adopt a child. And so I, you know, I wasn't really sure about that.

Starting point is 00:39:22 But I was like, whatever, I'll be like 35 when I want to do that. So I'll figure it out. So that's why I still decided to go through with it despite knowing that I wouldn't be able to breastfeed. Yeah. And, yeah, the top surgery, it was scheduled. I'm not sure how long after that consultation, maybe four to six months. And I went in and I got up really early at like 5 a.m.

Starting point is 00:39:59 And went in and my parents showed up and they were really visibly sad. about it. It's makes me really sad now thinking about like yeah what must have been going through their heads. I remember my grandmother called me the night before and she's like the spiritual matriarch of my family like she's she she passed away about a year ago. God rest her soul, but she was just she called me crying and she asked me like has your heart turned a stone? And I was like, I just hearing that from her, I was like, man, that is, she's never said anything like this to me before. Like, she's never sounded so desperate. And I did it anyway.

Starting point is 00:40:51 I hope you enjoyed part one of that conversation. Part two will include more about her testimony and how she came to faith in God. And so you won't want to miss that. We will be back with that segment of the conversation. conversation very soon. Thanks so much for listening and watching. We will see you again next time. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day

Starting point is 00:41:36 and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us.

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