Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 929 | We’re Back! Trump Blasphemy & Golden Globes Shocker
Episode Date: January 8, 2024Today we're starting off with an encouragement for your Monday that a lot can happen in one year and how we can hope for the future. We take a look at a video Donald Trump shared on his Truth Social a...ccount called "God Made Trump," which we argue is actually pretty blasphemous. Then, Christianity Today is at it again with an article on pronoun politeness, arguing that the issue is complicated and nuanced. We explain why it's not and look at some of Christianity Today's other terrible takes from the past few years. We finish off with a look at the best and worst Golden Globes outfits, as well as Jim Gaffigan's shocking joke that called out Hollywood. --- Timecodes: (02:50) Monday encouragement (12:57) 'God Made Trump' (24:35) Christianity Today pronoun article (38:33) Christianity Today's other articles (43:45) Ohio governor on trans surgeries (46:05) Jim Gaffigan's Golden Globes joke (48:55) Golden Globe outfits --- Today's Sponsors: A'Del — go to adelnaturalcosmetics.com and enter promo code "ALLIE" for 25% off your first order! Good Ranchers — get 10% OFF your box today at GoodRanchers.com – make sure to use code 'ALLIE' when you subscribe. We Heart Nutrition — nourish your body with research-backed ingredients in your vitamins at WeHeartNutrition.com and use promo code ALLIE for 20% off. Jase Medical — get up to a year’s worth of many of your prescription medications delivered in advance. Go to JaseMedical.com today and use promo code “ALLIE". --- Links: Blaze Media: "Ohio Gov. DeWine bans gender-mutilating surgeries for minors days after vetoing bill that would have done the same" https://www.theblaze.com/news/ohio-gov-dewine-bans-gender-mutilating-surgeries-for-minors-days-after-vetoing-bill-that-would-have-done-the-same Christianity Today: "Should I Offer My Pronouns?" https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2023/september/should-christians-offer-preferred-gender-pronouns.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=article --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 874 | The Truth & Beauty of Transgenderism | Guest: Kyle Mann https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-874-the-truth-beauty-of-transgenderism-guest-kyle-mann/id1359249098?i=1000628295411 Ep 519 | President Donald Trump on Witch Hunts, Family + Mean Tweets https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-519-president-donald-trump-on-witch-hunts-family/id1359249098?i=1000541152964 Ep 920 | Russell Moore, David French & the Fake Threat of Christian Nationalism | Guest: John Cooper https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-920-russell-moore-david-french-the-fake-threat/id1359249098?i=1000638231068 Ep 896 | From 'Trans Man' to Transformed by Christ | Guest: Laura Perry Smalts (Part One) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-896-from-trans-man-to-transformed-by-christ-guest/id1359249098?i=1000632613519 Ep 897 | A Detransitioner on the Lie of Trans ‘Joy’ | Guest: Laura Perry Smalts (Part Two) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-897-a-detransitioner-on-the-lie-of-trans/id1359249098?i=1000632747460 Ep 796 | Former Lesbian Activist Calls “Soft” Christians to Repentance | Guest: Rosaria Butterfield https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-796-former-lesbian-activist-calls-soft-christians/id1359249098?i=1000610921016 Ep 838 | Andrew Tate, Margot Robbie & the Danger of the 'Red Pill' https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-838-andrew-tate-margot-robbie-the-danger-of-the-red-pill/id1359249098?i=1000621063039 --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey
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Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest
issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we
believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news
of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase
narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they
leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity
over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you
about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV
or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us.
Trump seems to deem himself a shepherd who will not leave us nor forsake us. Christianity today
delves into the pronoun debate and Jim Gaffigan calls a room of celebrities at the Golden
globes pedophiles what we've got all of this and much more we start out the episode with some
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hey guys welcome to relatable happy monday and happy 2024 y'all oh my goodness i can't believe that we
are here in 2024. In an election year, it seems like yesterday I was waking up in the middle of the night
and realizing that Trump had won the 2016 election. Oh, my goodness. It's been a long time. And we're here.
Relatable is here. Four days a week to keep you sane, to encourage you to not get stuck in the muck,
in the mire of our politics, in our culture wars, in the moral depravity of our nation. Well, we are
going to talk about those things. We got to delve into those things, but we're not going to stay
there. And so we're going to give you a nice mix of the evergreen, of the lighthearted, of the
serious, of the sad, of the happy, of the hopeful, all of it, all of the above. And we've got
all of those things actually on today's episode of Relatable, the first new episode of 2024.
I just want to say thank you. Relative, fam. We have been at this thing since 2018 at this point.
We've been at Relatable since 2018.
I think that we started once a week.
And then we pretty quickly graduated to two times a week.
And then we went to three times a week.
We stayed at three times a week for a long time.
And then we went to four times a week.
And here we are still at four times a week.
And you guys keep coming back.
And you keep growing.
And so thank you for that.
Thank you so much for allowing us to do what we do.
I love, I love this.
I love this job.
I love getting to do this.
I was telling my husband last night.
After three weeks off, sometimes you can have the Sunday Scaries the day before you go back to do your job.
But I didn't feel that at all.
I never feel that.
I was telling my husband, I'm so excited.
I'm so excited to go into the studio tomorrow and to talk and to talk to you guys.
And so here I am.
Thank you.
Again, it's going to be a crazy, crazy wild year.
I don't know what's going to happen, but that I know for sure.
All right.
Before we get into some of the news stories that we're going to talk about today,
I just want to give you some encouragement.
And I posted this on Instagram, on my Instagram stories the other day.
And I got so much, such a big response, such a huge, swift response to this simple little
story that I thought, wow, this is obviously something that a lot of people need right now.
This is in particular for my related gals that are, maybe you're in your last year of college.
you're in your early 20s, but really this goes for any season of life.
And so let me pull up this picture that I found as I was scrolling through, as I was
scrolling through Facebook the other day from 2013.
And I saw this picture of myself with my deep side part in my crocheted infinity scarf,
of course.
This is very 2013-esque.
And I just thought about my life then.
And I got to thinking about what was going on in.
my mind, in my heart, in my life, in my spiritual life at the time. And even though you look at that
picture and it might seem like I am happy, I really wasn't. I was going through so much at this time.
I was 21, about to turn 22 in just a couple of months. And I was actually home. This was before
Christmas break. This was after what would have been Thanksgiving break. But I was still home because
I had gotten shingles. Now, who gets shingles at the age of 21? Now, after I post it,
that question. A lot of you have messaged me saying that you got shingles when you were 16, 18, 22,
whatever. Apparently, it happens in really stressful times of your life, which makes sense. So I got a
really bad case of shingles. It was all on my neck and face and it was awful. I had to go home for
three weeks. And I was really stressed in this time because I was going through a really bad breakup
after a long-term relationship. This is not what you want to go through really at any stage of
your life, but especially your senior year of college when you're trying to picture your future
and figure out what you're going to do after graduation. And so I was struggling. I was struggling
having to leave school. And right before my last semester of college for three weeks, I was
struggling with this breakup. I was struggling with this sickness that made me feel horrible. And I had no
idea what I was going to do the next year. I had no idea what I was going to do after graduation.
So there was just a lot of stress in my life and even sadness in my life at the time.
And over the next few months, as I've talked about in my book, a lot of you already know this
story, it was really bumpy.
I tried to find satisfaction and fulfillment in all the wrong places from unhealthy relationships
to being obsessed over the food that I was eating, how much exercise I was getting really
just my image.
I was trying so hard to find fulfillment and happiness.
in myself, and it just wasn't working. And so I ended up just being a very sad, anxious person
over the next several months. Thankfully, God's grace relentlessly pursued me, and he brought me
to a place of redemption and repentance, largely through a biblical counselor, which I've talked about
before after graduation. But in looking at this picture, I think about the fact that
that less than a year after this, less than a year after this picture in which I was so sad,
I met my husband. Less than two years after this picture, I was married. And then I started speaking
to college students, sorority girls, specifically, about the importance of voting in the election.
So this would have been 2015. And then three years later, I started my media career. Five years
later, I became a mom. And now here I am 10 years later. And so much has changed. And I'm
so thankful for all of it, and I am blessed beyond anything that 21-year-old self could have possibly
imagined. Now, a mom of three and getting to do this every day, there's just so much that I'm so
thankful for that I could have never, ever imagined or envisioned when I was that 21-year-old
shingles-ridden, sad girl in that picture. And I say all this to say not that, God promise.
He doesn't promise that our dreams are going to come true. He doesn't promise, unfortunately,
marriage or motherhood or health or wealth. He doesn't promise any of these things. But what we can
know for sure is that season that you're in, the season of sadness or disappointment or
looking at your future and it's shrouded and mystery, whatever disappointments that you are going
through, we can trust that these things are temporary, that you will grow and change. And
and be refined and be sanctified and that God's grace and faithfulness will be there and that
there will be things that happen, not in the next 10 years, but in the next year and the next
month, that will surprise you. A lot changes very quickly. I tell this to my single friends
and my single related gals all the time is that a lot changes in a year. I know the situation
might seem bleak when you're looking out there at the dating scene, but a lot can change in a year.
And really for anyone in any stage of life, God will continue to surprise you with good things.
Now, again, I am not saying that he promises material wealth. I'm not saying that he promises fleeting
sources of happiness or that all of your goals are going to be accomplished. I don't believe in that health and wealth,
prosperity gospel. But we do know because he is good, because he is gracious, because he is
faithful, that he can be trusted to show up in ways that you cannot expect or see right now.
If the only thing that God ever gave us was His gospel and His presence and His goodness and
His word, that would be enough. And yet he continues to pour out gifts to his children,
things that we can't now articulate or see or know of.
And that's what you can trust.
That things will happen that you can't now see,
that he will pull you out of this era,
this season of hardship and difficulty that you are now in
and that you will look back and you will see his hand in your life.
You will look back and say,
wow, man's rejection was God's protection.
And I did not come up with that, by the way.
I think that was Marian Jordan and author, but I love that.
And you will see how all of the disappointments that you went through that God's providence
and his sovereignty was in all of that.
What's the Rascal Flat song?
God bless the broken road.
Something like that, something like that, but biblical.
And so I just wanted to encourage you.
It's a beginning of 2024.
It's an election year.
It's crazy.
Crazy things are going to happen.
unexpected things are going to happen, but you can trust in God's faithfulness.
In this season of sadness and disappointment that you're in, it will not last forever.
And specifically, for you college girls, you don't know what you're going to do next.
That's okay.
You're not supposed to know.
You're not supposed to know.
Well, if you do know, I guess that's fine.
But you're not supposed to know what you're going to do for the next 10 to 20 years.
You probably don't.
You might have a rough idea of where you're going after graduation.
it's okay if it's not your dream job it's okay if you don't have it all together it's okay if it's not
paying you six figures and the you know perfect city that you're wanting to live in that's fine
you don't have to get your dream job after college to have a great life and then maybe if you're
going to have a career have the career that you are looking for you don't have to meet
your husband in college in order to get married young or to get married at all i know that it feels
like at 22 years old you have to know everything that you're going to do you have to have
everything together right now for your life to fall into place that is just not true. Just trust
God's timing. It is better than ours. And again, a lot can happen in a year.
Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues
facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe
is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day
and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives,
and we don't offer false comfort,
we ask the hard questions
and follow the answers
wherever they leave,
even when it's unpopular.
This is a show for people
who want honesty over hype
and clarity over chaos.
If you're looking for commentary
grounded in conviction
and unwilling to lie to you
about where we are or where we're headed,
you can watch this D-Day show
right here on Blaze TV
or listen wherever you get podcasts.
I hope you'll join us.
Okay, Bree, I want to talk about
this video that is going around
that was originally posted by Trump
on a true
Social. I have yet to actually ever log into Truth Social. Have you ever been on Truth Social?
No. I think I probably have an account, but no. Oh, really? See, I don't even think I have an account. So, but all of the stuff that Trump says ends up on X, which you know what? More power to him for staying on Truth Social even after Elon Musk reinstated. Yeah. His Twitter account.
I know, that's self-control. His ex account? It is. And you know what? He probably, well, I think he has a lot of self-control in some ways. Maybe not.
others. Maybe not in others and we're about to talk on that. Okay. So, last Friday, former President
Trump posted a video titled God Made Trump, which sounds like an AI voiceover parody based on Paul Harvey's
God made a farmer monologue. So it appears that the video was created by the Dilly meme team. Don't
know what that is, but they have an ex account. Trump's supporting group of comedians and political
commentators, not the official Trump campaign. Trump has been, so that's where it was originally
posted. I think I said it was originally posted by Trump. It was originally posted here. Trump has been reportedly using it on the campaign trail in Iowa. O-A-N-N reporter Daniel Baldwin reported that the video was played in Mason City, Iowa. So, okay, we're going to play you. We're just going to play you a short part of this video that's going around. All right, here it is.
God said, I need somebody who will be strong and courageous, who will not be afraid or terrified of the wolves when they attack, a man who cares for the flock, a shepherd to mankind who won't ever leave nor forsake them.
I need the most diligent worker to follow the path and remain strong in faith and know the belief of God and country, somebody who's willing to drill, bring back manufacturing and American jobs,
Farm the lands, secure our borders, build our military, fight the system all day, and finish a hard week's work by attending church on Sunday.
Okay. Okay. Okay. I don't even know. Okay. Here's the part that I take the most issue with. Okay, first of all, let's just say what we agree with. God did make Trump. Okay. There you go. God did make Trumpery. And God made you and God made you and God.
made me. So God did make Trump. And you know what? If you want to say that he's strong and courageous,
who's not afraid of the wolves when they attack, okay, I'm not totally sure if that's true. Like,
not even talking about theology, but let's just think back to COVID. I mean, he was afraid to
fire Fauci. And the reason he was afraid to fire Fauci. And the reason he was afraid to fire Fauci, he said,
is because he knew that people the New York Times and people on the other
side would have completely eviscerated him. What? And I mean, Christopher Ray, there were a lot of fires
that he could have done. I mean, he is the guy that is famous for saying, you're fired. And he
couldn't do that to people like Christopher Ray or Fauci or Deborah Birx when they were running our country
to the ground. So I'm not totally sure if that's completely true. But then it goes on to say,
a man who cares for the flock, a shepherd to mankind who will never leave nor for safe.
them. Okay. So this is messianic language. This is the language of Jesus Christ or about Jesus Christ.
That is who Jesus is. He is a shepherd to Christians, to his flock, who will never leave us or forsake us.
Now, is that Donald Trump? Is that any politician? That's not Ron DeSantis. That's not Nikki Haley.
that's not anyone and it is also not Trump.
What do you think about this, Brie?
I just think it's really tone deaf because obviously a lot of his supporters are Christians.
But at the end of that little clip, it says, you know,
God created a man who would do all this hard work and then attend church on Sundays.
Does he?
This makes me skeptical.
I don't know.
I'm like, if you did attend a good church on a Sunday,
and then you wouldn't have condoned saying that you're messianic, you know, so.
It's true.
I think you would have run it by your pastor.
And he would have looked at the transcript and he would have said, yeah, I don't think
that we're going to go with this one.
But thank you for asking.
Yeah, I don't think that, I don't know, but I don't think that he attends church.
And I know people are going to say, oh, you're just being judgmental.
You don't know his heart.
I'm not saying that I do know his heart.
But again, as Brie, very astutely just observed, if he were being disciples, as all Christians are to be disciples, I'm not sure that he would have called himself a shepherd to all mankind that will never leave us or forsake us.
And like, this is the problem with politics in general. And this is something I think we especially see on the left is the idolatry of particular politicians as as a kind of messiahs, people who are going to.
to bring God's kingdom here on earth and they're going to fight all of our battles. They're going to go
to war against the enemy. Now, I do think that is what people like about Trump is that he does
seem like a warrior. He seems like a fighter. He seems like someone is going to push back. Now, I personally
would push back on that depiction of Donald Trump. I would love to think of him as that. But again,
going back to COVID and the policies that he endorsed and the people that he put in place and
refuse to take out of place like Fauci. I'm just not sure if that is an apt description of him.
Look, he's got his strengths, but he also has his weaknesses. And I think one of those weaknesses
is that he sees himself and a lot of his biggest fans see him as something that he is simply
not, something that simply cannot be backed by his record. And the things that he has done and the
that he has said in reality, I think he cares a lot what people think. I think he cares a lot
what the left thinks. I think he cares a lot what moderates think. I think he cares a lot what the New York
Times thinks. I really, really do. I wish that were not the case. But when I see him in his campaign
running to the left of people like Ron DeSantis, criticizing Ron DeSantis for his heartbeat bill
that he signed into law in Florida, making statements about to Macon, Calais.
about, you know, transgenderism and the validity of that movement.
In some ways, I'm not saying that he is like all on board with that.
But I see someone who will really acquiesce to the progressive side.
He's just, this is my thing with Trump.
I like a lot of things about Trump, voted for Trump twice.
He's come on this show before.
I'm very thankful for that.
And of course, do I think that he would be better than Joe Biden?
Yes.
I mean, there are few people in this entire world that would not be better than Joe Biden,
but he's not conservative enough for me. He's just not conservative enough for me.
And so I am not particularly swayed by what I think is a very blasphemous video.
It's a blasphemous video to call yourself a shepherd. And I think it is an inaccurate depiction
of how strong and brave he has actually been.
Okay?
This is not doing it for me.
It's probably not doing it for most Christians.
Now, there are some people out there like you are MAGA till you die.
And something has happened in your brain over the past few years where you absolutely
refuse to see anything negative about Trump.
Anything worth criticism.
Every single negative thing that,
anyone could say about Trump, no matter how factual it is, no matter how constructive the criticism
is, like, you will find a way to excuse it. You will find a way to justify it. You will find a way
to get around it. You will find a way to describe it as a strategic maneuver rather than just
what it is, a flub or an error or something. And I don't understand that. I don't understand that
about any politician at all.
I mean, Trump really does have a power like I've never seen to create a cult-like following.
It is unbelievable.
It's really unbelievable.
And I think this video speaks to that, that he can get up there in front of a bunch of evangelicals in Iowa and say,
I am the shepherd that will never leave you or forsake you.
And you'll have a lot of professing Christians applaud.
Wow.
Wow.
We just all really need to be careful.
Really need to be careful when it comes to idolizing politicians.
They're human beings who are going to live and who are going to die, who make mistakes all
the time, and ultimately they will not save you.
Politics are important.
Politicians are important.
Governments are needed.
Presidents are needed.
Elections matter.
But they cannot ultimately save us.
And good news.
There is a shepherd who will never leave you or forsake you.
and that is Jesus Christ. He's real. He's real. So if you're looking for that, you won't find it in Trump or in anyone else, but you will find it in Christ. Amen.
Okay, we're going to talk about Governor DeWine from Ohio, but I actually wanted to talk about this other story first because it's a little bit more interesting to me.
And that is this Christianity Today article that has been circulating recently. It actually came out in August, but for whatever reason, over the past couple of weeks, conservatives and Christians have been talking about it on.
an X. And I think it's probably because Christianity Today recently posted about it. So this is the
title. This is such a Christianity Today-esque title. Should I offer my pronouns? The subtitle is
gendered language is increasingly controversial in public life. Christians are grappling with
how to engage. And so right away, you see the air of nuance. This is such a nuanced topic,
says Christianity today and we really need to wrestle with it. This is a stance by a lot of professing
Christians who claim to not be on the right or the left. They're politically independent. They're in
the gray. They're in the mushy middle that I call it. And they're still trying to figure out
this whole gender thing. What's the right thing to do? Is it pronoun politeness? Like Preston
Sprinkles says that I should respect someone's stated pronouns, even if I know it's a woman,
I should call it, I should call her, he, or if I know what's a man, I should call him she, just to be
respectful, just to be polite, just to ingratiate myself to them so that I can be on their
same level and then eventually become friends with them and share the gospel with them.
That's that perspective.
And then you've got the other side, which is where I am that says, well, no, we shouldn't lie.
We're not going to bring someone to the cross of Christ through deception.
I'm not going to affirm someone's delusion and affirm someone.
deep sin and depravity by calling a man she and the hopes that affirming their sin is then going to
lead them to the cross? I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I can't be more loving than God.
God made them male or female. And so I'm going to affirm what God says. And I am going to,
I'm going to love them. I'm going to be kind to them. I'm going to be respectful in every way to
them, but respect does not need to include the use of wrong pronouns, the use of lying.
Respect isn't really measured by how someone feels. Respect is measured by treating someone with
integrity and truth and kindness and honesty. Anyway, those are the two different sides.
And Christianity today is trying to say, well, this is a really difficult conversation.
I personally don't think it's difficult at all.
But Christianity Today plays this game a lot.
They try to say, well, there are so many different valid ways that Christians can approach this topic.
And so here's what they go through.
They kind of go through the different sides.
She begins by telling the story of two employees at Huffton University, a Christian school in upstate New York,
who were allegedly fired for using pronouns in their email signatures.
I remember this.
They were two school employees, also students, who in their email
signatures used like he her or he hurt that would be funny he him she hurt and they were fired because
of that and the students refused to take the pronouns out of their bio because they put them in there
so students would feel safe the university denied in statements that they were fired because of that
the university ended up telling them that you have to take all extremist items out of your
out of your email signature, including pronouns, including Bible verses, which is just silly.
I think that university was too scared to say, no, you cannot state your pronouns.
You can't state your pronouns because that is against what we believe as a Bible-believing
entity, institution.
But they wouldn't do that.
So they just said, no, we're just going to take everything out.
And so this is the attempt of the Christianity today author to say, look, this is really
complicated. These student employees, they were just trying to love people. They were just trying to
get people to feel safe. And look, they suffered the wrath of a Christian college just for being kind
to their gender questioning. That's not the word she uses, but their gender questioning fellow
students. The article says, while some evangelical Christians don't mind identifying their pronouns,
others believe that doing so, or referring to someone by a pronoun that doesn't match their birth sex,
makes inherent ontological claims that should not be glossed over.
Correct.
Correct.
Mark Yardhouse, a psychologist and head of the Sexual and Gender Identity Institute at Wheaton College,
there said this.
We've reduced this giant conversation.
It's become so culturally salient that it raises the whole debate of a signature line.
And Mark Yarrhouse is in the camp of so-called pronoun politeness.
So it is not surprising to me that he is, that he has made this claim, that he is on that side.
Christianity today writes, the stakes around language and gender are high, which I agree with.
Some people argue that to not use their self-identified pronouns is to erase their existence.
For them, pronouns are not just preferred.
They are, in fact, the most accurate.
Okay, but that's a ridiculous line.
They are to them most accurate.
Well, something is not accurate to you.
Something is either accurate or it is not.
What are pronouns?
That's the question.
Are pronouns just indicators of how you feel that day?
We did this whole satirical interview with Kyle Mann, where we went back and forth
pretending like we are both progressives and going through these ridiculous claims about
allowing your pronouns to correspond, not just with what you think about your gender,
but just what you think about your personality, what you think about your mood that day, how your
stomach is feeling, whether you have indigestion or not. And obviously it's a joke, but it's making a
serious point that if pronouns are really just about how you feel about your gender, why can't
they just be about your feelings in general? They're not actually rooted in anything. They're rooted in
just the ideas that you come up with about yourself that day. But that's not, of course,
what language is. That's not what pronouns are. That's not what we see biblically. That
these pronouns, this designation of male and female, are rooted in biology.
And so it's, while Christianity today tends to give some credence to this idea that not using
someone's self-identified pronouns is erasing their existence, or at least giving credence to
people's feelings that it's erasing their existence, the fact of the matter is is that it's
not.
It's not.
It's not like you're saying, you know, Bipiti,
bop-de-boop and you're no longer there. The person still exists. They're still standing there. It's
not a raising their existence. That's ridiculous language. That's a ridiculous assertion. And it
deserves no credence whatsoever. But here's the kicker. Here's something that Christianity today says
to try to give weight to this argument. And when mental health and suicidality are on the line,
some advocates like the Minnesota Department of Health say that using a person's correct
pronoun saves lives. There is no evidence of that. There's no evidence of that.
There's no evidence that affirming someone's delusion that has been brought on by, you know, many
possible reasons could be true mental health, could be an addiction to porn, like we've talked
about these before.
There are already serious issues going on there.
There are already serious problems going on there.
You know, my husband talks about when he was going up, there was this man in town who
would ride around on a bike and a dress.
and everyone knew that this person was strange.
Everyone knew that this person was off,
that they had, you know, mental health problems.
They left him alone.
He lived his life.
Everyone else lived their life.
But now we're supposed to see that person riding around town,
that man riding around town on his bike and his dress and say,
yes, girl, you look great and you are a woman.
Can you please come teach my children kindergarten
and read stories to them in the library?
That's how much things have.
changed. And now we're told that if we don't do that, if we don't affirm that man riding on the
bike at the edge of town in his dress, if we don't call that person a woman and celebrate
that person and say she hurt to that person, then their mental health problems are our fault.
But there's not a case to be made for that. There's no evidence of that. And that is still not a
justified reason, a justification for lying and for affirming someone's delusion. This is called
empathy shaming. This is called empathy bullying, empathy manipulation. When in the name of empathy,
someone tries to coerce you into affirming their position, their wrong position, they're morally,
factually wrong position. And then Christianity does look at the other side, which I do appreciate.
And what they say about the other side, I think is so much more, so much more compelling.
Rimer, a pastor in Rhode Island, says, I see this as a creation issue and a gospel issue.
I believe God's creation is good and designed for human flourishing. My call to love my neighbor
is to want what's best for them. Yes. Let me say that again. He says, I see this as a creation
issue and a gospel issue. I believe God's creation is good and is designed for human flourishing.
My call to love my neighbor is to want what's best for them. And then the author also goes through
things that Rosario and Butterfield
who said, which we have talked about thoroughly on this podcast.
We've had her on as well.
And then the Christianity Today author adds her own assessment.
After looking at both sides,
in a sense, much of the disagreement among Christians
on whether to use personal pronouns boils down to priorities,
which takes precedence using language that reflects God's immutable design
or using language that honors our neighbor's wishes
and invites them into deeper relationship.
Actually, that's a false choice, which is a logical fallacy.
It's a false choice.
I mean, if you listen to someone like Rosaria Butterfield's testimony, when she was invited into the home of friends and neighbors who did not affirm her sexual choices, who did not affirm her lesbian relationship, but loved her, were kind to her, and spoke God's word into her life, she eventually was converted to Christianity.
Laura Perry, who we've had on this podcast before, she was brought back to the Lord after she tried to so-called.
transition into a man because of the relentless prayers and gospel sharing of her parents who never
called her a man, who never called her by her male name, who never called her by her male
pronouns, but continued to bring her into their life, into their church life, and pursued her
relentlessly. And so it's as a false choice. So you have to honor someone's wrong pronouns in
order to have a relationship and a friendship with them, or you have to honor God and forego that
friendship? Is that how God works? I don't think so. I don't think so. Now, I do think maybe
frank conversations are necessary. I don't think you have to be necessarily brash to someone,
but if you are in a position of being in a friendship with someone who identifies as the opposite
sex, then what they are, then you can have a conversation with them.
and say, look, I love and respect you as an image bearer of God, but I also know that God
made you, male or female, and I'm going to refer to you as that. And I understand if that makes you
mad, I'm not trying to offend you. That's not my goal. I don't want to hurt your feelings, but I have
to honor God and what God's word says. And so that's how I'm going to refer to you. I know people
in that position who have done that and who have maintained those relationships. And that's really
tough. That's really tough. But I do think that that is what we are called to do. We are called to do
difficult things. The easy thing. The easy thing to do is always the worldly progressive thing and to call it
loving. That's always the easy thing to do. And most people, by the way, who bow down on this
pronoun stuff, they're not really trying to evangelize to these people. They just don't want to be
called a bigot. So let's also be honest about that. Like Christians are called to courage.
And courage is contagious.
Courage is attractive.
And there's a way that we can be courageous in this conversation about pronouns without being mean-spirited.
Now, there will always be people who call you mean, who call you unempathetic, who call you
hateful for not calling a man, she, of course.
But that's what Satan does.
He exchanges the truth of God for a lie.
Romans 1 is still alive and well.
Do we need to affirm the people in Romans 1?
Do you think Paul was affirming the people in Romans 1 in order to try to bring them to the gospel?
No, he said what their behavior was and how it dishonored God.
And he wanted them to repent.
And then the very next chapter, he says it's God's kindness that leads people to repentance.
So right after he said that homosexuality is unnatural, it's against nature and that God will give those people a punishment.
Just a few verses later in Romans 2, he says, God's kindness leads us to repentance.
And if that is the case, and that means that God's kindness and calling out sin for what it is can and does go hand in hand.
So Christianity today, they've kind of taken a turn to the left for a while trying to appeal to this mushy middle,
which I really just, it breaks my heart to see so many Christians go towards that mushy middle and call it empathy and call it nuance and call it love and call it tolerance, inclusion and all of these things.
when really in a lot of ways. I'm not saying in every single case, in a lot of ways, it is just,
it's just a way to sit on the fence. It's just a way to try to be loved by secular leftists and
Christians alike. And so here are some examples of Christianity today doing this. This is a magazine,
by the way, that was started by Billy Graham. And so it's taking quite a turn.
On immigration, evangelicals to Trump, don't deport our next generation of church leaders.
Ah ha! What? Don't deport our next generation of church leaders. Okay, so what? The government doesn't have a right to deport people who broke the law by entering the country illegally because they might be the worship pastor at your church next year. Come on now. Come on. That is the most ridiculous empathy shaming, empathy bullying, emotional manipulation argument that I have ever heard.
that is absolutely silly.
Now, who is saying this, none other than Russell Moore?
He wrote the president and congressional leaders this week to tell them,
this is what the article says.
He didn't write the article, but he's quoted in it,
to tell them that dreamers are leading in our churches in our communities
and to find solutions that allow these young people to stay in our country long term
and continue to be a blessing to our communities.
I'm not saying that immigrants are not blessings to our communities,
even people who are here who came here illegally.
I'm not saying that they are never productive and great community members.
But government has a right and responsibility to enforce the law and enforce its borders.
Don't you see how sovereignty is not only right, but also compassionate both for citizens and for migrants?
If you look at the crisis that's happening at the border, the humanitarian crisis that's happening at the border, allowing people who are here illegally to be here incentivizes that dangerous, deadly.
track and it crumbles our own sovereignty, our ability to enforce the law and to protect the rights of
our own citizens. My goodness gracious. We don't have time to get into all of that. Immigration is
complicated. Advocating for Dreamers is not Christianity today says Max Lucado, Beth Moore and hundreds
of evangelicals call for immigration reform again. What's your immigration status? Divine. They're big
on, and these are all headlines. What's your immigration status? Divine. What's your immigration status?
September 2017, Jesus was an immigrant and taught his followers to welcome and care for foreigners.
Oh my gosh.
It's just a horrible ex-a-Jesus.
It's horrible.
It's horrible.
How God works in spite of immigration status, August 2017.
I'm actually in my new book that's coming out this fall.
It is about empathy shaming and empathy bullying.
We have a whole chapter on immigration and what the compassionate and biblical approach to immigration is without falling into these empathy traps.
And then, of course, they don't like Trump. Criminal or not, Trump's case is a moral
test for Christians by Russell Moore. Trump won't divide the church this time. And that's not
necessarily good news, says Russell Moore. Must pro-life mean pro-Trump, of course, they don't
believe that. February 2020, Trump should be removed from office, December 2019. On Christian
nationalism, Christian nationalism cannot save the world by Russell Moore. I'm not saying that
it can either, by the way. But I just don't.
to disagree with how they define Christian nationalism.
Of course, Russell Moore has taken to the pages of Christianity today to say that the Uganda
homosexuality law is unchristian, un-Christlike.
We've talked about why I agree and disagree with that.
What transgender people need from conservative Christians, Christianity Today asks.
It goes on and on and on.
And then, oh, here's one that's relevant to our conversation today,
why the transgender conversation is changing by Mark Yarrhouse,
on legislative bans of gender mutilating surgeries for minors.
I'm not a fan of legislating around these complex clinical issues on either side.
So Mark Yarr House says that we should not protect children from chemical castration,
that it should be perfectly illegal for doctors to get paid to chemically castrate 10-year-old boys
and to give double mastectomies to 12, 13, 14, 15-year-old girls who say that they're confused about their gender
because they've been groomed by predators on Tumblr into thinking that they're the opposite sex.
Christian from Wheaton College, Mark Yard House, believes that that should be perfectly legal
and that these doctors should continue to be incentivized by profit to do this.
That's a satanic position, Mark Yard House.
That's a satanic position.
Okay.
And Christianity today gives credence to it by allowing him to argue that in their pages.
All right.
Where are we?
Okay.
I actually don't think we have time for Mark DeWine because I wanted to get to something else that was lighthearted.
Mark DeWine.
Okay, we know it. He is a coward. He decided to veto to veto legislation. He decided to veto legislation that was going to ban this genital mutilating surgery for minors. He vetoed House Bill 68, the Saving Adolescents from Experimentation Act, sponsored by Republican Representative Gary Click. So that's really.
Republican governor, uh, DeWine from Ohio, but then he got so much backlash. He's now signed
an executive order banning, banning genital mutilating, uh, surgeries for minors days after vetoing
that bill that would have done the same. So good job raising a respectful ruckus. But what a coward.
What a coward. But good job pushing back on him. Um, we don't have the time right now to go into
all the details of that executive order and what it actually means, but we'll try to save time for it
later this week.
I just want to talk about the Golden Globes because why not?
I never know that these things are happening until they're happening.
And I started seeing some of the fashion online.
And I like to talk about this.
I like to rate their choices.
We have a new scale every time.
I think one to 10.
Let's do one is the best and 10 is the worst to this time, Bree.
And before we get into that, actually,
let's go ahead and play this clip of Jim Gaffigan.
He is a comedian who had quite the interesting joke at the expense of Hollywood.
So here he is.
The Golden Globes.
I mean, I can't even believe I'm in the entertainment industry.
I can't.
You know, it's so unlikely.
I'm from a small town in Indiana.
I'm not a pedophile, you know.
Okay.
I mean, funny, but not funny because, you know, a lot of people in that room were uncomfortable
because they were like, I feel like a lot of people in that room were like, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Like, they're just like.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, that got an applause.
Yeah.
I mean, nothing I think will ever be Ricky Jervase a few years ago.
I forget which award show it was.
It was that.
It was the Golden Globes.
Was it the Golden Globes?
Yeah.
I loved that.
know what's funny? Jim Gaffigan was announcing the award for they have a new category, best
like stand-up comedy special or something like that. And Ricky Jervais won. And it was tangibly
kind of awkward when he won. He wasn't there. Because I don't think he's ever going to show his face
there again. But it was pretty funny because he was against like Amy Schumer and a bunch of liberal
comedians. Oh, that's so funny. Well, he's funny. Now, I don't agree with all of his jokes.
Like, okay, speaking of comedians, have you watched Dave Chappelle's latest special?
No, I've seen a lot of clips, but no.
Yeah, I, I, it was really short, but the first part is really funny.
If people haven't seen his Jim Carrey bit and how he ends it, I hadn't seen it.
I had not seen the clip online.
And so I watched it on Netflix and I was not expecting it.
I was not expecting it.
Okay, if you don't know what I'm talking about, I'm sure you can find the clip,
floating around on X or something like that.
But I do love a good roast Hollywood joke.
So good for Jim Gaffkin, but also sad because it's true.
It's true.
All right.
Let's look at some fashion.
Let's do Margo Robbie first.
Mid Margo Robbie.
Can we pull up Margo Robbie?
Oh, look at that Barbie girl.
Um, okay, I love Margot Robbie. And when I say mid, by the way, I'm making a joke. Actually, this was my, uh, my most popular episode last year. My most listened to episode last year was the one about Andrew Tate and Margo Robbie and people calling Margo Robbie mid. If she is mid, then I am negative 25. What does that mean? For any of us. I know. I know. What does that mean for all of us?
No, she's beautiful. And if you're just listening to this, she's got like a pink fitted dress on with what looks like a pink boa.
She's actually dressed like a Barbie. There is a Barbie that that's wearing that outfit. Oh, I love that. I love that. Okay. Okay. So one is the best. Ten is the worst. And so I'm going to go with, honestly, I'm going to go with a one.
Wow. Because I think that she looks great. This is a great color on her. It's very well fitted.
It's, you know, different enough without being weird.
That's what I like.
What about you?
I'm going to say four.
Okay.
Tell me.
I think she could have done better.
Okay.
Her stylist.
Okay.
But she looks great.
Yeah.
Always.
What would you have changed to breathe?
I don't know.
Her whole like Barbie press tour, she looked amazing.
She was always dressed like an actual Barbie.
Yes.
Yes, I love that.
And she looked amazing all the time.
And I don't know.
This just doesn't do it for me.
I guess.
It's just the dress.
Okay, okay.
Let's go to Billy.
Billy Eilish.
I'm sure I just don't get it.
Like, I'm sure I'm just not cool enough to understand what exactly is going on here.
But, yeah, I think it's super ugly.
Yeah.
I mean, really ugly.
I can't actually name one thing that I like about it.
No, no.
I don't like any of it.
No.
I'm going to go with a 10.
because I think it's so ugly.
And I think that Billy Elish is beautiful.
Yeah.
But I know she's not going for pretty.
She's not going for beautiful, right?
What do you think she's going for?
Weird?
I guess, like, quirky.
A while ago, I know she mentioned that, like, people were making, when she would
wear form-fitting things, people would make comments about her body when she was a child.
So I think some of this is her reaction to that.
And, like, I'm not going to be sexy Hollywood star.
Yeah.
Which I get, but I feel like there are ways to do that without this.
Right, right.
Okay, well, I can say we can say that it's modest.
Yes.
Yeah, she has that going for her.
So maybe I can give it a nine.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Because it's modest, but I hate her hair.
It's really bad.
It's really bad.
Yeah, for me, it's a 10.
A 10.
Okay.
Yeah, she's really pretty, but this is just so ugly.
It's like weird, like, um, 1800s school uniform.
Maybe 1940 school uniform.
Yeah.
For a giant.
Okay.
Next one.
Let's do Taylor Swift.
Okay.
We've got Taylor.
Um, I like it.
I like the dress.
I think it fits her perfectly.
I actually like this color.
I don't typically like this color in general.
It's like a lime green, a light green.
With the four, I'll go with the four.
What would you say?
I would say six.
Like, it's not her best, but I think she looks great.
Okay, remember people, 10 is the worst.
Ten is the worst.
And that's what you're saying.
Oh, sorry, I flipped it then.
I would say four.
Okay.
So your scale confused me.
I know, I know.
Okay, yeah, I think I would have done something a little bit different with hair and makeup,
personally.
this reminds me as we're like judging these people reminds me of that meme that's like someone like completely sloppy eating Cheetos in their bed like in their sweatpants and it's like me roasting celebrities outfits.
I'm like that's how I feel right now.
But I mean, because obviously she looks great.
But yeah, I'd probably go with a four one being the best.
I'm confused myself.
Let's look at Selena Gomez.
No.
What in the 2013?
No, no, no.
It's giving prom dress for sure.
Yeah, for me a long time ago.
Oh, no.
I'm going to go with a nine.
I think it's bad.
What do you think?
I would say eight.
I also think it's really bad.
But I don't know if it's all the way up there.
Yeah.
I mean, again, another beautiful.
beautiful person.
Yeah.
I just don't, I just don't like it.
Bottom line.
Bottom line.
Okay, Elizabeth Olson.
Um, I am frightened for her because she looks frightened.
I feel like she always looks like that.
She does.
They all do.
She looks so much like her sisters.
Wow.
Yeah.
I know.
This was actually one of my favorite ones.
It was.
Okay.
I have the monitor that I'm looking at.
It's very overexposed.
So it's really hard for me to see.
Yeah.
So it's just the white on white.
I guess, okay, again, I think that her dress fits her.
It's hard to tell because she's against the white background with the white dress.
Yeah.
It kind of looks like she's getting married.
Yeah.
So I don't love that.
And she's also very fair.
So this is a hard look to pull off.
But it's not terrible.
She's very pretty.
But I will go with a, wait, one is the best.
Okay, I'll go with a five.
What do you think?
This is the one for me.
I think she looks amazing.
I mean, I know it's a little risque because it's very like corset-y, but I think it's great.
Okay.
Barry.
Let's go with Barry.
Barry, who?
Who's this?
I had to, Barry Kagan.
I had to include a man here.
No.
He looks like he is dressed as Marius from Le Mez.
That's what I think.
Yeah.
Yeah, no. What? He also reminds me of, he kind of looks like his outfit looks like something that Rufio from Hook would wear if he were to dress up for an award show.
I hadn't thought of any of these. You're right. Okay, what do you think? I think he looks really cool.
I do.
Normally, like, the male outfits are, like, pretty basic and wearing.
And I actually think he looks really good.
I don't like earrings on men.
But aside from that, I don't mind it at all.
Yeah, he doesn't look bad.
He doesn't look like Pedro Pascal from the Met last year.
Right.
Like, I feel like they feminize men when they try to do something different all the time with, like, flare pants and stuff.
And this isn't, I mean, aside from like some of the jewelry, I guess.
This isn't super feminine.
You're right.
I mean, he definitely looks handsome.
Yeah, okay, fine.
I'll go with a, I'll go with a four.
Okay.
What's yours?
One being the best.
One being the best.
Three.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, that's all we got here.
Bring it in the new year, y'all.
All right.
All right.
That was our first episode of 2024.
Let me know what you want us to talk about this week.
There's a lot going on.
There's a lot that has gone on.
I was asking Bree,
I was asking Bree before we started what her predictions are for 2024.
And she just told me that they're dark.
They're dark, Bree.
That's not good.
Yeah, they are really dark.
I know.
There are a couple that I think are kind of out of pocket that are positive.
Like one of them is, I believe that Lil Nasex is going to become a Christian.
And he is going to talk about it unrelatable.
Yeah, and he's going to come on the show and talk about it.
He's always spewing all these satanic things.
I think it's going to flip.
That's a positive one for you.
Okay.
Okay.
I would love that.
I would absolutely love it.
Do you have another positive one?
Um, you know, I don't know if I could think of one.
Well, okay.
I'm sorry.
I'm going to bring her up again.
I do think Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey are going to get engaged.
I think that's going to happen. I know everyone's saying they're going to break up. What month would you guess? October. I was going to say October 2. I don't know why. Isn't that like a Taylor Swift month or something? I don't know. I feel like you people celebrate. That's a valid question, but I don't think so. Okay. Okay, I like those predictions. I like those. Lil Nas X is going to become a Christian. Taylor Swift is going to get engaged. You think they will get married. That's a different question.
I don't.
Oh, no.
I don't.
Oh, no.
Okay, I'll have to think more about my predictions because I'm just thinking so politically with it being an election year.
So I don't know.
I definitely don't have pop culture predictions.
I don't want to think that something bad's going to happen.
But again, it's an election year.
It's been four years since COVID.
Believe it or not, crazy.
Four years since COVID.
started anyway. And so I don't know. Gosh, I don't know. I don't even want to think about it. I'm like,
what's the point of even predicting anything? Thankfully, Related Fam God is in control. And he is totally
sovereign. He has written every single one of our days before any of them have come to be.
And there is nothing that can ever surprise him or throw him off or take him aback. He's never
looking down from his throne saying, oh my gosh, how did you get into this mess? Let me come in and
try to clean it up. No, he is.
suspended in the eternal now. So he is not constrained by linear time like we are. He knows everything
that is going to happen. And Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever. Hebrews 13, 8. And our job is
only ever to do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God. We don't have the
capacity to care about everything or to fix everything. We just have to do the best that we can for his
glory and with his strength. All right. That's all we got time for today. We will see you back here tomorrow.
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