Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 946 | No, Abortion Bans Aren’t Causing Rapes

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

Starting point is 00:00:19 We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. President Biden has invited Kate Cox, the woman who traveled from Texas to get an abortion at 21 weeks pregnant to the state of the union. We've got our analysis of that as well as some other abortion propaganda. I've also got a response to some of my critics of the Alistair Begg episode. And of course, we've got an analysis of the Grammys at the end of this episode. It's brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.

Starting point is 00:01:08 Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use code alley at checkout. That's good ranchers.com code alley. Hey, y'all, welcome to relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone is having a great week so far. All right. We've got a lot to talk about per usual.

Starting point is 00:01:31 We'll see how much we can actually get to today. If we're able, we'll get to the Grammys last night, and we will rely on our resident pop culture expert, Bree, to break it all down for us and tell us what went on. Before we get into the main subjects for today, I do have a couple updates. I guess one is a response and the other is an update. So I did want to update you all on the Kohlstads.

Starting point is 00:01:57 This is the couple that I had on last week. They're from Montana. and the state effectively kidnapped their daughter in the name of gender affirmation. They were not okay with their daughter identifying as the opposite sex or going through with any sort of transition. And this became a problem for not only the hospital, but also the state of Montana. And if you want details on that, you can go back and listen to that conversation. But there has been an update. As you heard in the interview,

Starting point is 00:02:30 they are violating a gag order that has been placed on them by going on my podcast and other people's podcast telling their story. Now, when I heard that, in our conversation, I wasn't sure, I wasn't sure that they knew what they were getting into. I just didn't know. But in talking to the journalist from Redux, who originally reported on this story, they assured me that the Kohlstads knew absolutely what they were doing when they decided to violate that. gag order and for them the reward outweighed the risk the reward being people knowing about their story people being able to protect themselves people trying to support them any way they can so that they can be represented by a good attorney when it comes to this but now it has been

Starting point is 00:03:19 reported that they are actually facing arrest in the state of montana they have not been arrested yet but they are facing arrest they have been told that they are in trouble with the law because they have violated this gag order. Of course, they saw this consequence coming and again, they said it is worth it. We are going to be courageous and we're going to speak out about this. It is also being reported that the child, 14-year-old Jennifer, is potentially being transferred to Canada to live with her biological mother. Todd Kohlstad is Jennifer's biological dad.

Starting point is 00:03:59 Krista is the stepmom. There's been all kinds of problems with the biological mother, as Redux reported, that mother has been accused of abuse. But apparently this is what we do. We have to sacrifice our children on the altar of so-called gender transition. And you may be arrested as a parent if you speak out about this. I mean, talk about a dystopian nightmare. So we will include the link to the past episodes. You can listen to it.

Starting point is 00:04:28 a link to the way to support them. And just if you can't support them financially so they can pay a good lawyer to represent them, then pray for them. Pray for them and learn from their story. It's really scary stuff. But I just wanted to make sure that you were updated on that so that you could pray for them, pray for them effectively. All right.

Starting point is 00:04:53 Another thing that I wanted to respond to is the criticism that I have gotten from some about the Alistair Begg podcast episode that I published last week. Now, I would say the vast majority of you agreed with my assessment, which of course is just a fallible assessment that is my perspective on it. But I believe as best as I possibly could was rooted in the Word of God. And I just want to respond to some of the things that were said because when I get criticism from fellow Christians or when I get feedback pushback from fellow believers, I do take it seriously. When you're in public or when you have a public platform, when you have something like a podcast, you have to be able to discern what is actually legitimate feedback from people who respect you and you respect and then push back from people who are going to. hate you and hate what you say no matter what. And so because there was some feedback coming from fellow believers, I just want you to know that I read some of your messages and your comments and I do take these things seriously. And I want to address some of the accusations that were simply not true.

Starting point is 00:06:09 There were some accusations from people who said that I did not listen to the sermon, that I took his words out of context, that I said that he said things that he simply did not say or that I was canceling him or there were multiple things in that vein that were said, not just about me, but also about other critics of Alistair Beck. I did absolutely listen to the entire sermon. And of course, he is someone who I believe handles the word extremely well, extremely responsibly in a very compelling way. As I said in that episode, I respect him a lot, have appreciated and have grown from the material that he has published. I think that he is an excellent expositor. And so, of course, I enjoyed aspects of his sermon. It's not that I thought the entirety of the

Starting point is 00:06:59 sermon was bad or unbiblical, but my paraphrasing and my summation and analysis of his sermon, even if you disagree with it, was absolutely representative of not only what was explicitly said, but also what was implicitly said. And that's not me trying to judge his heart or to read his mind, but he absolutely was using the parable of the prodigal son and pointing to the Pharisees to paint those who oppose him on this as being phariseical, as being judgmental. That is what was happening in the sermon. Now, for those of you who say, look, he was not saying,

Starting point is 00:07:47 that Christian should attend same-sex wedding. So that's not what was happening. He said that this was a particular instance with a specific situation in which he gave one woman the advice to attend a same-sex wedding to try to preserve the relationship and maybe evangelistic opportunities with her unbelieving grandchild. Look, if that were the case, if it really were just specific, if he did not mean for it to be applicable to people in general, then I don't think that he would have publicized that advice on a podcast episode. And he did not say in that podcast episode, nor did he say in his sermon,

Starting point is 00:08:29 that, look, this is a rare exception to the rule. He did not say, typically I would say, no, don't attend a same-sex wedding. He said, look, this is the advice that I'm giving. And although he did caveat it to say this is just a specific situation, he never outlined what the rule is. He never outlined what his general advice would be. He decided to take that, I guess, a private conversation in which he was talking to a specific woman and then publicize it for the general audience in a podcast. So I think it is extremely reasonable for someone to say, it sounds like you are giving people that advice. If they have a relationship with an unbeliever, who is gay, that they should attend that wedding, that ceremony, and give them a gift.

Starting point is 00:09:17 And then other people saying that I didn't understand his message, okay, that's fine. We can disagree. I'm not questioning anyone's salvation. I hope that you wouldn't impugn my motives. But my take is that Alistair Begg, as wise as he is, much wiser than me, I'm sure, that he is confusing Jesus' willingness to congregate with sinners in the hopes that they will repent with attending a ceremony that explicitly celebrates sin. So a ceremony is different than congregating with sinners.

Starting point is 00:10:01 You're not talking about just going to a person's birthday party. You are talking about going to an event that explicitly celebrates what God calls an abomination, what God calls destructive for someone's heart and soul and mind and body. I don't think there is ever a reason, whether it's specific advice or general advice, for a Christian to encourage another Christian to do that. And wow, I've gotten a lot of messages from you guys who disagreed with Alistair Bagg. you aligned with my and other, others, uh, assessment of what he said. And y'all are making such good points. I got one message from one of you who said, you know, people like Andy Stanley or

Starting point is 00:10:47 Alistairbag and I'm not saying they're similar, but when it comes to this particular subject, there are some similarities. Um, they assume that there is like mutual respect in these kinds of relationships where you've got a believer and then an unbeliever who is gay. And what this person was telling me about her experience is that she felt like she had to jump through hoops to ensure that this gay non-believer in her life felt affirmed and felt celebrated and felt loved and that everything became a test. Someone who demands your attendance at their wedding knowing that you do not agree with their choice and with their relationship is not, one is not loving you and does not mutually respect you and certainly is not being loving

Starting point is 00:11:40 towards you. And sure, maybe we expect that from a non-believer, but the assumption that that non-believer will see you sitting there in the crowd and say, wow, I see the love of Jesus in that person. Wow, that person is not really a bigot. Wow, that person is so tolerant. I don't think that that is a realistic perspective of what we'd go on. If anything, that person might look into the crowd and see the attendance of his believing grandmother and say, finally, she approves of me. The godliest person I know, the most Christian person I know, the person who goes to church the most, even she is here at my wedding.

Starting point is 00:12:17 Even she approved of what I'm doing. Wow. I think that that is closer to tempting someone to sin that it is showing someone the love of Christ. So I just want to play you a short clip from Stephen Lawson. He is a preacher. He is an author. He's wonderful. I highly recommend him.

Starting point is 00:12:40 And here's his response to the same question. You have no business being there. Because it is a travesty. It is a blasphemy. It is an abomination. It is not to be supported. It is not to be celebrated. It is to be repudiated and it is to be exposed.

Starting point is 00:13:12 And by attending, you are celebrating this union. And you cannot celebrate blatant, gross sin of the highest order. Yep. I think he's absolutely right. And if you guys didn't see, Alistair Begg has been disinvited from the Shepard's conference, which is hosted by John MacArthur and his church. I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but I would bet that John McArthur probably had a conversation with Alistairbag. I'm sure it was a very respectful conversation. I'm sure, like other entities and individuals

Starting point is 00:13:49 have, that he tried to sway him of his position, which John McArthur's position would be to not attend this wedding, but he has been disavited. So I don't think that anyone is happy about this, certainly. And the disagreements that I've seen have been very respectful. And I'm a little disheartened, too, by those who attend his church, who are so offended by and taken aback by the criticism and the godly and biblical critiques that he has received. I'm sorry, he is wrong on this. He is wrong on this. I actually really don't think that this is a nuanced one.

Starting point is 00:14:33 Lots of things are nuanced. I don't think that this is one at all. All right. I just wanted to respond to that quickly. Let's get into some of the things we're going to talk about today. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just just try. chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort, we ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Okay, I forgot to say at the top of the show to remind you about the merch that's available,

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Starting point is 00:18:14 and this is the invitation of Kate Cox to the state of the union address. So the good doctor, Jill Biden, our first lady, has invited Kate Cox to attend the state of the union. Of course, presidents invite people to attend the state of the union that they're using to make some kind of point and to compel people to a particular position to either show people, look how terrible the Democrats are or to show people look how great my administration is or my party is. Like, for example, a Republican might bring what's referred to as an angel mom to the state of the union. That would be a mom whose child died at the hands of an illegal immigrant.

Starting point is 00:19:01 And so Kate Cox has been invited to make the point that pro-life laws are so terrible and draconian. And you may remember, or you may not, we talked about her on this podcast, who Kate Cox is. She is a mother from Texas who was prohibited by Texas's abortion laws from getting an abortion in the second trimester around 21 weeks. And her baby had trisomy 18. It's a severe genetic condition. usually those babies either they die in utero, they die shortly after birth. However, depending on the specifics of the condition, they might survive longer than that. Some survive into toddlerhood. Some

Starting point is 00:19:49 actually rarely, but they can't survive into the teen years. Well, she very much wanted an abortion. She did not want this child with special needs. She did not want this child to be born whole. She wanted an abortion. And of course, at this stage in pregnancy, abortion requires the dismemberment of the child, the poison of the child, typically injecting a poison into the heart of the child to bring the baby into cardiac arrest and then dismembering the child and removing and removing her from her mother's womb. So very grotesque, very barbaric. And Texas rightly says, sorry, you can't do that to a child just because this child may or may not live very long after birth. Sorry. You can't abort a child just because that child has special needs.

Starting point is 00:20:43 Now, she found some lawyers to say, who then found some, quote unquote, experts to say that her fertility is at risk because of this, and therefore she needs an abortion to preserve her fertility. However, we debunked that. That's easily debunked, not just by me, but by OBGYNs. and other experts in the field who will tell you that an abortion is never necessary to preserve your fertility. Either way the baby is going to come out, right? Either way the baby is going to come out. Either through abortion, dismemberment, or through delivery. And we as pro-lifers, because we know that these babies are human beings and they're made in the image of God, we have this radical position that all humans are entitled to human rights, the foremost of which is the right to life,

Starting point is 00:21:42 the right to not be murdered. Yes, even if you have special needs. Yes, even if you have a degenerative disease. Yes, even if you have a fatal condition. Yes, even if you are a helpless child inside the womb, we believe that you have the right not to be murdered. Absolutely. I sat here with a couple. You guys watched it from the organization Abel Speaks who told us their story and the stories of so many other families who have had babies with trisomy 18 and other fatal diagnoses and the beautiful, redemptive opportunity in giving birth to those children and giving them every opportunity to feel loved, to be held, to be cherished, to be known, and then to give that child a proper burial rather than discarding the baby as medical waste, yes, that is the right thing to do. That is the honoring thing to do. And absolutely, the law should have a say there. And I will just note, because I don't think I completed this thought on the idea that her fertility was being impaired. Well, first of all, if the health of the mother, we're talking like life or death, health of the mother, is a actually being harmed by the pregnancy, then abortion actually is allowed in the state of Texas. But her life was not actually at risk. The reason that she said, and this is in the court documents, that, okay, my life or my health is at risk here and I might impair my fertility is because

Starting point is 00:23:25 she apparently, from what I have read, she has two children, she had two C-Sense, and she had to c-sections. And she didn't want a third C-section to have this child with special needs. And she also did not want to be induced to have a vaginal birth with this child. And I understand as someone who had two C-sections, why? I understand. You don't want a third C-section because with every C-section, there is an increase of risk. And with induction, if you have a V-back, which is a vaginal birth after a C-Syrian, there are some. It's very, very small. slight, but some increased risks of uterine rupture. But look, you're also going to have risks when it comes to an abortion because, again, the baby has to come out. I would say even greater

Starting point is 00:24:13 risks probably come with that. But no matter what, it's not right to murder this child. People have three C-sections all the time. People even get induced after two C-sections all the time. So I understand, as someone who had two C-sections and then I had a V-back, I understand the risks but they are greatly exaggerating those risks to try to justify her having an abortion. And she did have an abortion, by the way. She traveled to another state so that she could have an abortion so that she could murder her child. She was so desperate to do that that she traveled to another state because Texas wouldn't allow her to murder her child. And this is who the Biden administration, you know, devout Catholic Joe Biden,

Starting point is 00:24:58 and this is who they are hoisting up as some kind of hero. So Corinne Jean-Pierre, she is the White House spokesperson, press secretary. She said on Saturday the president and the first lady spoke to Kate Cox, who was forced to go to court to seek permission for the care she needed. Oh, dystopia nonsense for a non-viable pregnancy. Now, what does that even mean? A non-viable pregnancy? Like they won't, you'll just notice this,

Starting point is 00:25:25 and all pro-choice, pro-abortion propaganda, they never acknowledge the child. The child is never acknowledged. That is what an abortion is. Like you're not just fixing some medical condition. You're not just ending a pregnancy. What's a pregnancy, genius? There's a baby in there. There's a human life in there. But they understand how barbaric it sounds when you actually acknowledge that there is a human being that you are killing in an abortion. So they have to use words like care or terms like pregnancy termination to try to sterilize the procedure and to try to make you forget what an abortion actually is and how brutal and bloody and violent and barbaric abortion is. A non-viable pregnancy that threatened her life.

Starting point is 00:26:12 Well, the child was alive. It didn't threaten her life. If it threatened her life, she would have been legally able to get an abortion in Texas. They thanked her for her courage in sharing her story and speaking out about the impact of extreme abortion ban in Texas. No. Courage is having a child, loving that child, birthing that child, delivering that child, holding that child to your chest, naming that child, burying that child, even though you know it's going to be tough. And people say, oh, you would allow that child to suffer after birth. What do you think an abortion is? What do you think an abortion is?

Starting point is 00:26:45 You think they're not going to suffer? They can feel pain at that stage when their limbs are being twisted when the abortion needle goes through their mom's abdomen into the uterus and into their heart using the same lethal combination that is used in the execution of murderers. That's what happens in an abortion at this stage in pregnancy. And we're applauding her, apparently because she's some kind of hero. Just remember what is actually being talked about here. And the reason they're choosing her is because they know that. this has the ability to win over some independence, some moderates, even maybe some Republicans,

Starting point is 00:27:25 because she is a white suburban mom, and she wanted her child, kind of, and she already had two, you know, she already has two other children. And so they see her as someone who can soften the hearts of pro-lifers so that they can see themselves in her and say, yeah, you know, this might be the exception and Republicans really are too extreme when it comes to saving the lives of baby. So that's why she's being hoisted up as a hero. Now, I'm not saying we can't have compassion for the pain that I'm sure she felt. Getting that diagnosis at 20 weeks or whenever she realized that her baby had trisomy 18, that probably, I bet that was really hard for her. I don't think this was an easy decision for her.

Starting point is 00:28:17 I don't think that she's completely calloused and that she didn't love her child. I'm sure she did think that she was doing the right thing. So we can have compassion for the pain. I am sure she endured when she realized that all of her hopes and dreams that she had for her child would not come to fruition. That does not justify at all her murdering her child. It just doesn't. It just doesn't. So Joe Biden invited her as a hero.

Starting point is 00:28:44 to the state of the union. So we will see her there, which I think is just really, really sad. And this leads me to something that we haven't been able to talk to that I've been wanting to address for the past couple of weeks. And that is this claim that you've seen going around, talked about it on Instagram, that 64,000 women and girls became pregnant due to rape in states with abortion bans, steady estimates. and pro-choicers and left-wing activists have been circulating this story as if it proves anything because people have do-do brains and they don't think. They don't think. And this frustrates me to no end. They don't think.

Starting point is 00:29:30 So we're going to think through this in just one second, this ridiculous claim that's being made. Okay, so this was the end of January and we just haven't been able to cover it on the show. And this is the line that you've been hearing, 64. thousand women and girls became pregnant due to rape in states with abortion bans study estimates. So like let's think about this. Let's just think about this one line before we even look at any any other, um, any opposition to this, like any counterfactuals. Like let us just look at this headline. 64,000 women and girls became pregnant due to rape in states with abortion. bans. How would an abortion ban? So an abortion is something that happens after conception, by definition, how would that have any causal relationship? How would that have any effect on rapes or pregnancies due to rapes? A state that has very lax abortion laws, are they somehow preventing rapes? Are they preventing pregnancy from rapes? That doesn't even make any sense.

Starting point is 00:30:57 But the left knows that people are so emotional and quite frankly are just not very smart and that we all have our priors. We all have our biases that we're bringing to the table. So when we see this kind of word salad and it seems to confirm what we want to be true, we just say, oh, yep, yep, yep, yep. Yep, yep, yep. Abortion. Abortion bans bad and causing rape and pregnancy. 64,000. Yeah, that number sounds completely right. Absolutely. We just take this as fact. It's just not true. NBC reported this. More than 64,000 women and girls became pregnant because of rape in states that implemented abortion bans. Again, like, what is the correlation there? The research letter headed up by the medical director at Plan Parenthood. of Montana. Oh, oh. So the entity that has the greatest financial and political interest in making sure

Starting point is 00:32:01 that abortion is unrestricted across the board. They're the ones. They're the ones that headed up this research. Wow, that's fascinating. I'm sure it is completely objective. He said that nearly 520,000 rapes were associated with 64,565 pregnancies across 14 states, most of which have no exceptions that allow for terminations of pregnancies. There's that propaganda language again that occurred as a result of rape. So, okay, first of all, I'm very concerned. If this is the number of rapes that are really happening, maybe we should pay more attention to that. Maybe we should be asking ourselves, why are there that many rapes? Rape is illegal. Are we allowing the perps to walk? Are we not enforcing the law? Do we need to enact the death penalty for rape?

Starting point is 00:33:00 Like I understand. Unfortunately, Skodis said that that's unconstitutional. I think it should be on the table for rape. It's that egregious of a crime. Like, shouldn't we just kind of stop there for a second and say, wow, why is rape that common? That's really scary. However, this is what's important to note. So they say 64,565 pregnancies across 14 states from 520,000 rapes. However, note, these are not reported pregnancy numbers. The authors analyze survey and crime report data from the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention, the FBI, and the Bureau of Justice Statistics. They asked the numbers of girls and women aged 15 to 45 who had survived rape that could result in pregnancy in each state after the bans took effect, then applied estimates of the pregnancy rate from rape. Oh, oh. So these are not, this is not a real count. No one actually counted anything. We are estimating all of this based on a lot of different data and these particular

Starting point is 00:34:11 states that have abortion bans to try to put this word salad together that that looks compelling for people who just want to believe this lie, who don't want to actually think. So again, this is the author affiliations, Planned Parenthood of Billings, Montana. The study's main author, Dr. Samuel Dickman, is the chief medical officer of Planned parenthood of Montana. He has been a longtime public advocate of abortion rights, so-called. So that's where this is coming from. And again, these are all estimations. This is from their study. Because to our knowledge, no recent reliable state level data on completed vaginal rapes forced and or drug slash alcohol facilitated vaginal penetration are available. We analyze

Starting point is 00:35:02 multiple data sources to estimate reported and unreported rapes in states with total abortion bans. As shown in the table below from the study, the data source that gave the number of rapes used a broader definition than the other two sources. So this includes rape incidents that occurred when you were unable to consent to sex or stop it from happening because you were too drunk, high drugged, or passed out from alcohol or drugs. Okay, that's fine. That's fine. That's all rape. However, they don't know the numbers of that. They don't know the pregnancies that actually resulted from that. We don't know how many of those people actually gave birth to those babies, if they did have abortions, or if any of those people actually got pregnant. It's all just an

Starting point is 00:35:49 estimation. I really loathe. This is something that I just loathe. I just loathe when people don't think. I really just do. We all get things wrong. We all make mistakes. We all see something that confirms our priors and we buy into it without digging into something and without stopping like we should and really assessing and really looking for the facts. We've all done it because we are fallible human beings. I understand that. But my goodness, think. Just think for a second. Like before you see propaganda like this. The headline itself makes no sense. It makes no sense. That should be enough to stop you right there and to say, why is this even being reported? And then you can back up and say, well, who's funding it? What's their agenda here? What was the methodology? What were the real

Starting point is 00:36:49 results? This is completely bunk. It is completely and totally irresponsible and discrediting for outlets like the Houston Chronicle and other outlets to run with this. To run with it as fact. In BC, it's not journalism. Well, it is what journalism is now. It's propaganda. And it's the worst kind of propaganda because it's propaganda on behalf of killing babies. Propaganda on behalf of child's sacrifice.

Starting point is 00:37:20 I am of the radical position that rapists deserve the death penalty, not babies. Ooh, I know I'm so extreme. Rapists deserve the death penalty, not babies. That is not a radical position, Christian. It's not. I know that you're being told that you need to be more humble and nuanced about abortion, that you need to pretend like you don't really know what to think about it, that, oh, well, maybe we should make exceptions when the child in the womb has special needs,

Starting point is 00:37:53 or maybe we should punish the baby for the circumstances surrounding their conception. No, no, this is black and white. It is. Can we, should we have compassion and empathy for the mothers carrying the child and for the fathers involved? Yes, we should. That compassion should never lead us to advocate for their slaughter. Come on, think, ink. You know, sometimes, actually a lot, every day.

Starting point is 00:38:23 I get messages from people saying, how would you respond to this, whatever it is, something like this. And there's something wrong with asking me that at all. It's part of what I do. And so if I get enough of those messages about one thing, I typically talk about it on the show. But what I encourage you to do, and sometimes I'll do this. And I never wanted to come across this condescending when I'm responding to it. But I am always amazed at what the response is when I do this. And I say, before I answer, what would you say to that? What would you say to that post? What would you say to what your friend said to you? But what do you think about this? And then the response that I get is almost always really thoughtful and really compelling and really persuasive and exactly right on. And so I would encourage you to do that.

Starting point is 00:39:10 Before you send me, again, not against you sending me these things, but before you do, before you ask me, how would you respond to this? I encourage you to ask yourself that first. Chances are, you know, you know that something's fishy. You know that something is up. Just ask yourself the questions. Who funded it? Wait, what are they trying to say? And does that even make logical sense?

Starting point is 00:39:34 What's behind this? So again, it's just really tragic that we are even debating any of this. Absolutely, the law should protect innocent lives. Of course it should. Okay. Per our tradition, we are going to, to talk about some of the outfits at the Grammys. Bree, I think that we might be the only people that enjoy this. I don't know. If you're out there and you enjoy enjoy us talking about the award shows,

Starting point is 00:40:15 please let us know. Because we're fashion experts. People should enjoy it also. Oh, yeah, definitely. I just like talking about it. I think it's fun. Okay, did anything happen at the Grammys last night? Or, no, Sunday night. Sunday night, yeah. Believe it or not, it wasn't too, like, controversial. I was shocked because the guy who is the, I don't know what the president or something of the Grammys came up and did kind of like a tribute about October 7th. And you could tell, well, I feel like I could tell that kind of the room was a little like, tense. Yeah. It was very bold of him. He was basically saying like a tribute to music and people we've lost at like music festivals and concerts. And he mentioned that one. And it was like, it was beautiful tribute, but I was like, that's bold.

Starting point is 00:41:02 Isn't that sad that that's controversial? Yeah. Like literally a terrorist organization paraglided in to a music concert and killed and basically pillaged. And that's controversial to say that was bad. Yeah. I know. Wow. Okay.

Starting point is 00:41:21 I saw, speaking of that, I saw someone on Twitter criticizing Taylor Swift, surprise, surprise. Because did she invite like Lana Del Rey on stage or something? Oh, yeah. And Lana Del Rey's a Zionist or something. Oh, is that why? That's what they said. I don't know. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:41:38 Every day I see a tweet that's like this person, you know, boycott this person because they're a Zionist. But I don't know. She invited her on stage, which was controversial because she and Lana were both nominated for our album of the year. And Lana lost Taylor Swift won. And, but Lana was featured on the album that won, Taylor Swift's album. And they're friends.

Starting point is 00:41:59 And she just like grabbed her arm and was pulling her. and it was very awkward because you could tell Lana was like, I do not want to go up on stage. I just lost. But she pulled her all the way up and she stood there on stage while Taylor Swift accepted the award and it was kind of weird. Yeah, that is kind of weird. But I guess she's also a Zionist.

Starting point is 00:42:16 Okay. Okay, and Taylor Swift, did she announce a new album? She did. She won her 13th Grammy and she announced her new album and she's coming out in a couple months. Are you so excited? I'm so excited. Brie, if y'all don't know,

Starting point is 00:42:30 is our resident Swifty. I know, I know that everyone has criticism. Taylor Swift and I understand. You can go back and listen to our Taylor Swift sci-op episode last week. I've got my own criticisms of Taylor Swift. But, okay. And I'm not condoning every song she's ever created. Or every album cover that she's ever made because this album cover, we won't show it, but is a bit controversial. It's a little more scandalous than her previous ones. Okay. But do you think that she is getting more critical for having a scandalous album art than say like Britney Spears dead or Christina Aguilera because I feel like we all joke as millennials. You know, that we used to love Christina Aguilera, Jeannie in a bottle and all that stuff. And their songs were way more scandalous than Taylor Swift songs today. And yet I've seen

Starting point is 00:43:22 like a ton of Christian influencers post about, you know, this cover, which I agree is immodest, of course. Yeah. But I just think it's, I don't know. Maybe it's because she has so much influence, even over Christian women. Maybe that's why they're talking about it. But it is interesting. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:43:38 She just has a history of being like a quote role model for young girls, I think. That's why. Because when she started saying swear words in her music, people freaked out too. And I'm like, yeah, well, they had to bleep one of the performers like six times at the Grammys at that same night. Well, I think she did kind of bill herself as wholesome. Yeah. And that's why it's kind of disappointed for some people.

Starting point is 00:44:01 And so many people do allow their young daughters to look up to her, which I think is strange personally. But yeah, I don't know. It's interesting. Okay, so that comes out in April. Yeah. Right. And I feel like a lot of people are talking about Miley Cyrus. Miley Cyrus was kind of crazy.

Starting point is 00:44:19 She won her first Grammy. She wore like nothing on the red carpet. If we look at some of the outfits, I didn't include her because she literally wore it like nothing. Yeah, that's what I did. But that's kind of par for the course. Yeah. Yeah, that's very her. I saw her singing in one of the videos and she was singing and she goes, why are you all acting? Like, you don't know this song. Very Jeb Bush, please clap energy. It was. That was pretty awkward too. It's awkward. Yeah, I know. It was kind of, yeah. Okay, Tracy Chapman, Luke Combs. Did you see that? I loved that. Yeah, that was nice. I thought that you didn't like it. No, I did. I feel like. I feel like. You hated it. I didn't hate it. No, it was sweet. The problem is, I feel like 80% of the

Starting point is 00:45:06 Grammys, I like turned the volume down because most of the music annoyed me. You turned it the volume down for Tracy Chapman? No, I did it for that one. I didn't for that one. So that's, that's why I'm like, there were a very select few performances that I actually was like engaged with. Yeah. See, that was interesting because people were all mad at Luke Combs, you know, a few months ago for covering her song. you're monetizing the work of a black woman. What? You're not allowed to cover? Okay, no one's seeing R-E-S-P-E-C-T. You're monetizing the work of a black woman.

Starting point is 00:45:38 It's so crazy. So I love that they sing together. And I just think that she has such a cool, beautiful voice. Okay. Anything else? Well, no, I guess not. Taylor Swift won her fourth album of the year, first person ever in the world to win for.

Starting point is 00:45:55 Wow. Wow. So she broke a record. So, okay, we're going to look at her outfit. I'm excited about that because I have thoughts. Okay. Okay, let's first go with Lana Del Rey. What?

Starting point is 00:46:09 Okay. Nope. Funeral sheke. Definitely funerally. I think I always say this, but she really is. She's very beautiful person, but I think that this is very not cute. And from this angle, she almost looks like Kelly Osborne. Um, okay, so let's do one being the worst, 10 being the best.

Starting point is 00:46:34 I'm going to, I honestly am going to go with two. This is not flattering at all. Yeah, I hate it. I'm going to say three. And the length of the dress, too, I do not like personally. Yeah. Okay. Sorry, Lana.

Starting point is 00:46:49 Sorry, Lana. You lost on multiple fronts. Okay, next one. Jean-Patiste. Jean-Battiste. Okay, this is his, like, style, though. This is the kind of thing that he wears, I think. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:04 Is it a skirt? It looks like a kilt. It looks like a kilt. Which is a skirt, I guess. Okay, I like the color. I think it's a good color on him. I think it's better than Lana Del Rey, but I don't love the kilt. So I'm going to go with, like, I'm going to go with a four and a half.

Starting point is 00:47:20 Okay, I was going to say four. And I really like him. Yeah. I think he's really cool. Yeah. I don't, I'm not that familiar, but I saw that, I don't know, I saw him and his wife like show their home on some Instagram account. I thought that's cool. Okay. What did you say? Would you rate it? Four. Four. Okay. We're close. Next one. Taylor Swift. I just don't like it at all actually

Starting point is 00:47:48 Really? No, I know a lot of people liked it Maybe I think I would have liked it with not the black gloves I don't like the black and white that's just personal I don't and I don't like the choker But the dress itself is pretty So I will probably do a five and a half Okay What do you say?

Starting point is 00:48:08 I'll say six and a half It's not one of my favorites but I will say this was all in potentially to promote the album she was announcing, which is like black and white themed. So that's why she wore that. But the hair, you don't have a close up here, but it's kind of like weirdly braided in the back. And it looks really messy. And I did not like that. Weird.

Starting point is 00:48:29 Yeah. I'll make these decisions. Okay. Ice spice. Don't know who this is? Who is Ice spice? Ice spice is a rapper. Is this a wig?

Starting point is 00:48:43 No. that's her. Well, I mean, I guess it could be, but that's her hair all the time. Okay. Yeah, it's a choice. It's a choice. It's a choice. Yeah, I don't like this at all. Go with the two. It's denim and fur. I'm going to say one. Okay. Okay. Last one. No, no, no, not last one. I'm sorry. I forgot Lauren Daigle. Oh, man, I was really hoping for something different. I think that she is one of the most beautiful people and like naturally beautiful people. No, not at all. No. But this is so on brand for her, right? The hat and the colors.

Starting point is 00:49:18 Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. The braids. Very Lauren Diggle. It is. I guess I can do a three and a half.

Starting point is 00:49:27 So generous. Yeah. I'm going to give it a four. Okay. Just because, I don't know. Yeah. She's so cute. Okay.

Starting point is 00:49:35 Olivia Rodriguez. She looks beautiful. Amazing. Mm-hmm. Perfect. This was my favorite one of the night, I think. She looks amazing. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:43 Okay, I'll give it a 10. I don't have no notes. I know. Even the hair is beautiful. Yes. 10. She looks great. Why can't everyone just wear something like this? Okay, that's all we got time for today. We will be back here tomorrow. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality.

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