Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 948 | The Finnish Parliamentarian Prosecuted for Posting Romans 1 | Guests: Päivi Räsänen & Kristen Waggoner

Episode Date: February 8, 2024

Today we're joined by Päivi Räsänen, a member of Finnish Parliament, who is currently on trial in Finland for posting a Bible verse on X after a local church chose to support a "pride" event. Päivi was originally prosecuted for the crime of “agitation against a minority group”, under the section of “war crimes and crimes against humanity” in the Finnish criminal code, and was acquitted twice. Yet the prosecution continues to appeal the not guilty verdict, and Päivi finds herself yet again back in court. The prosecution claims that Päivi's real crime wasn't posting the Bible verse, but claiming that the Bible condemns homosexuality in that post. We're also joined by Kristen Waggoner, CEO of Alliance Defending Freedom, to discuss the legal specifics of this case and the greater implications of punishing free speech. Päivi shares encouragement for standing up for truth, and her perspective as her case continues. You can learn more about ADF here: https://adfinternational.org/ Go to alliemerch.com to get our new Valentine's Day merch! --- Timecodes: (01:30) Päivi's story (29:00) Päivi's testimony (36:20) The legal perspective --- Today's Sponsors: My Patriot Supply — prepare yourself for anything with long-term emergency food storage. Get your new, lower-price 4-Week Emergency Food Kit at PrepareWithAllie.com. EveryLife — the only premium baby brand that is unapologetically pro-life. EveryLife offers high-performing, supremely soft diapers and wipes that protect and celebrate every precious life. Head to EveryLife.com and use promo code ALLIE10 to get 10% of your first order today! Netsuite — gain visibility and control of your financials, planning, budgeting, and inventory so you can manage risk, get reliable forecasts, and improve margins. Go to NetSuite.com/ALLIE to get your one-of-a-kind flexible financing program. Jase Medical — get up to a year’s worth of many of your prescription medications delivered in advance. Go to JaseMedical.com today and use promo code “ALLIE". --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 798 | America’s Sacrificing Orphans on the Altar of Transgenderism | Guests: Jessica Bates & Christiana Kiefer https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-798-americas-sacrificing-orphans-on-the-altar/id1359249098?i=1000611489190 Ep 719 | Christians v. the State of Colorado… Again https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-719-christians-v-the-state-of-colorado-again/id1359249098?i=1000589107658 Ep 13 | Two Gay Men + A Christian Baker Walk into a Courtroom https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/relatable-with-allie-beth-stuckey/id1359249098?i=1000413171727 --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Pavey Resoninan is a Finnish member of parliament who was prosecuted for hate speech for posting a Bible verse in 2019. That Bible verse came from Romans 1, which condemned homosexuality. has been in a legal battle over the past few years fighting for her right to say what she thinks, to articulate what she believes. And she is here with us today. Her testimony, her strength,

her courage is so amazing. It's going to be so edifying to you. And Kristen Wagner from Alliance Defending Freedom is also here to explain the legal battle and to tell us some lessons that we as Americans can take away from this case. So without further ado, here are Ms. Resonaninan and Kristen Wagner. Ms. Resoninin and Kristen, thank you guys so much for joining us today. Ms. Resonan, I have wanted to talk to you for a long time now because I admire your courage so much. Would you mind taking us back to the beginning? Why were you in trouble with the law in Finland?

Yes. this is a long process. It started almost five years ago ago. In June 2019, I was shocked when I heard that the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland, the main church in Finland and my church, it decided to support the Helsinki Pride event. And I was worried that. I was worried that. that this decision would effect on the trust on the Bible because it is in contradiction of the teachings of the Bible. And then I decided to update to my Twitter and ask the question for the leadership of my church,

that how does this fit this decision to what Bible teaches. And after that, some citizen made a criminal complaint about this Twitter update

and police started to investigate this. And when it came to public, then there became more and more criminal complaints. And there were altogether three cases. One pamphlet that I had written already

over 20 years ago and then there was a radio show. So this was the beginning of this case. And in fact, the Twitter update there was a photo from the Bible from the first chapter of Romans where a postal call teaches about the same-sex relationships. And my question was that how does this fit to the support to the Pride event? Yes.

So your original tweet, because Twitter will translate it for me, said exactly that. So the church, as you said, has announced that he is the official partner of this pride parade pride celebration how does the doctrine of the church fit in with the fact that shame and sin are raised as a matter of pride and i don't know if that's an exact translation but of course your point um is very clear so uh let's see you were formally charged with agitation against a minority group in 2021 under a section of the finished criminal code titled war crimes and crimes against humanity for sharing your beliefs on marriage and sexual ethics in your 2019 tweet, as well as the 2019 live radio debate and 2004 church pamphlet.

Were you stunned by this as all of this was unfolding in your life? Yes, it was a big surprise for me. I could never have believed that this could happen in Finland. I have been almost 30 years in public life. I have been in public service as an MP, member of parliament in Finland. And I have been all the time I have been open about my Christian convictions about my faith. And my views have not changed. and I have also spoken publicly about these issues before.

And in Finland we have freedom of speech and freedom of faith in our constitution. And we have long roots in Christian life in Finland. So I have to say that it was really a surprise to me, that I was then sitting in the police station, interrogated about my beliefs. The police was asking me that what do you mean by the word of sin and shame? And what is the meaning of the Roman first chapter? and all the book of the Romans. So very theological issues, very theological questions.

And this happens in Finland. So it was stunning. Yes. Wow. So asking you theological questions, as you mentioned, you had posted Romans 1, 24 through 26, which is very clear. Therefore, God gave them over to,

in the sinful desires of their hearts, to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. God gave them over to shameful lust, even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. Now, I understand why this is a controversial verse for people who do not believe the same things that you and I do. But I fail to understand what interest the state has in policing, not just what you say, but it sounds like your theological beliefs. This sounds like the thought police. They cared about the views that you hold in your mind and heart, not only the things that you were saying, which is very scary.

Yes. And in fact, when the police investigated this case, the police said that if my writings and if my views would be convicted, then also the Bibles should be banned. Yeah, right. So it is, I have to say that it was, it has been very absurd that this happens in Finland. I felt when I was sitting there in the police station or in court that this is like in, in form a Soviet Union or in some other country. but I understand that in Finland and in most European countries there are laws that deal about agitation against minorities, some kind of hate speech laws, even though that we do not have that special word hate speech in our law. But we have the law about agitation against minorities, and I was accused because of that law.

And now I think that the prosecutor and the state tries to see that what are the boundaries of free speech and rights of minorities. So this is some kind of historical test in Finland. And I think that it has also ramifications, consequences to other European countries which have similar laws. So it is very important that what is the result of this legal process? Right. Hate speech laws are famously arbitration. they're subjective. They are based on the whims and the perspectives of the people in charge,

which is, of course, why in America and in other places, we have something like the First Amendment that says this is a right that cannot be taken away, should not be taken away by the government, even if something is deemed hateful. And so like you said, you can see the consequences of a case like yours, impacting other countries, setting a precedent for what you can be charged with, even just for quoting the Bible and asking a question. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Alley, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political.

They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this T-Day Show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts.

I hope you'll join us. Now, I'm interested. You said that you have been a member of parliament since 1995. Okay, that's a long time. You have been outspoken about your Christian beliefs this entire time. And yet only in the past few years have you gotten the kind of backlash that you have gotten. I don't know that much about Finland's politics and kind of the moral landscape there. In your estimation, what has changed over the past, you know, 10 or so years that has made speech?

like yours so condemnable to the government in Finland? Yes, I think that there has happened quite a big change in general atmosphere towards Christianity and Christian beliefs. We have some research about these beliefs, and we can see that during 20 parts, last 20 years to amount of those who stand behind Christian beliefs, it has decreased a lot. And I would say that our society and also the main church of Finland, it is very divided. in regard of these beliefs. And the LGBT network has been very active in Finnish society as in most European countries.

And they have influenced in parliament and in our state. And also to the office of. of prosecutor general. But at the same time, I have to say that we have had these laws about agitation against minorities. We have had then decades. There has happened some kind of change in our law in 2010. But after that,

no changes. So, right. Yes. It is difficult to say that why it is just in Finland that we have now this case. Yeah. But at the same time, I'm very happy. I'm grateful that this case has been in two courts. It has been in Helsinki district court and then after that in the court of appeals. And I have these judges have been acquitted clearly and unanimously by six judges. So I'm very hopeful for the future. This is perhaps now going to the Supreme Court. Yeah. But I'm hopeful that I would win also there.

Were you told after you got in trouble for your tweet and they said oh you can post the bible it's your interpretation of it that's wrong well i mean romans one is extremely clear there's no really other way to interpret romans one that's all and you didn't really even interpret it you just asked a question were you ever told by authorities hey if you just delete it if you recant if you apologize and say that you don't believe this stuff anymore, this will all go away? Were you kind of given that option? Yes, that is a very good question because I was interrogated by police altogether three times. My gosh.

13 hours altogether. And each time the police asked in the end of the interrogation, he asked that and said that I have two weeks time to, take away my, to delete my writings and, and apologize this. But I said that I, I will not apologize Paul has stated. So I, I stand behind these writings. Because it is, it is about my deep believes in the Bible and I believe that it is the word of God. It is not only some opinions. It is the word of God. And for me, it is a question about eternity.

It is a question about believing in the gospel and in what Jesus has done for me and for all. people. So, yes. And then also the prosecutor general, she gave a public statement in our main newspaper where she said that it is okay to cite the Bible, but what is critical is that do you agree with it? So it would be okay to cite the Bible. but to disagree with it. Wow. So.

Wow. Yes. That is. I mean, that's unbelievable, especially considering because you were charged with agitating a minority group, which I would read that and interpret that to mean violence in some way, threatening violence. And there are real people out there who threaten violence, who really are a threat to a person's safety. And you were, but you were interrogated for 13 hours about posting a Bible verse.

And they knew, I'm sure they knew even before they talked to you, but certainly throughout the interrogation, they knew that you're not a threat. You're not threatening anyone. You're not going to commit any harm. You just hold a stance, a sincerely held religious belief that they don't agree with. And to them, they said that is so dangerous and so threatening that we need to interrogate. you 13 times and try to what, put you in prison? Was that the goal? Yes. The consequence could be jail two years, which is the maximum punishment for this kind of crime, but the prosecutor

was asking for a heavy fine, the heaviest fine that we have in our law. Yes. Yes. But, This was about what she is demanding. And of course, the most dangerous consequence and the dangerous conviction is not the fine or even not the jail, but it is the restriction to the freedom of speech and freedom of expression. because if my booklet would be banned, if it would be forbidden to cite the Bible in public, I'm not alone. I'm not the only one who has said this kind of teachings about the Bible in public.

There are thousands and thousands of similar writings in Finland. in Finland. And if my writings would be banned, it would have consequences to the freedom of speech and freedom of faith for other people. And I want to emphasize that I, all the time in my writings and in my speeches, I have said that I believe,

and the Bible teaches that all people are, All people are created in the image of God, and we all are also sinners. I'm as sinner as other people, and we are on the same line in front of the God. And Jesus has died for all of us and all our sins. So we are equal. And I do not accept any hate. age beat or any threatening or insulting of homosexual people. And I have not had this kind of expressions.

Right. So it is only about what Bible teaches about sin. What I have said, I have said that according to the Bible, the sexual relationships between, same-sex couples, they are against God's will. They are sin in front of him. This is the main point. And it was also in court, the prosecutor, the state prosecutor said that speaking about sin is agitation, it is incitement against. against homosexual people. Well, that's ironic.

It's a little ironic because they are saying that you talking about sin is agitation, basically a form of terrorism, while they are basically accusing you of sinning. They are accusing you of committing the sin of saying that there is sin. And so really what they're saying is that we don't want you to say, that homosexuality is sin. That's what they're saying. They want to be the ones to determine what sin is.

You cannot say that there is a sin that the state doesn't believe is sin. And your question, your tweet, which you did not delete, and I think that's amazing. It's still up right now. You were asking a question to the church. You weren't even talking about the law. You were asking a question specifically to the church. church and its theological beliefs based on what God's word said. You didn't say anything about what the law should do, what the law should say, forcing people to believe which you believe, even forcing people to act in accordance to scripture. Like, you didn't say anything about that. You were tweeting to a church and that still was not okay. Yes, and my question, it was targeted to the leadership of my church, to the bishops, not to any minority.

Because I think that the leadership of the church, the bishops, they are in charge of the doctrine of the church. that it is what Bible teaches, because it is in fact in the law of the church, which is also has been approved of the parliament, in Finnish system. There it is said that the foundation of the church is the Bible. So I think that it was relevant to target that question to the leadership of the church. Before I go to Kristen and ask her a little bit about just what the legal process has been,

I'm just curious on a personal level to you, Ms. Resonan. because most people would have deleted the tweet. Honestly, most people would have said, you know what, fine. I will hold these beliefs, but I'll keep them private. I won't talk about it anymore because it's a big cost. You didn't know what was going to happen. You said that you were facing possibly two years in jail, a very hefty fine, depending on a person's financial situation that could possibly bankrupt them.

This has affected your reputation. This has potentially, I don't know, but maybe. affected your safety. It certainly could affect someone's safety and security, the safety, security, and opportunities for their family members. It's a really big deal. Two, for the iron fist of the government to come down on you because of your religious beliefs and your agreement with the Bible, most people would have counted the cost and said, no, thank you. I'm not going to delete the, or I am going to delete the tweet. Most people would have just done that and taken the easier way. I want to hear a little bit more. I know that you said it's because you've

believe this is the Word of God and you're a Christian and so it has authority. But like I want to go back just a little bit further. Can you just tell me at least a summary of how you became a Christian and why the Word of God has such authority in your life? Yes. In fact, my my Christian life has started already from the childhood. I lived in, my father was working in prison and we lived in the village where there was a prison. And there were also, there was a Sunday school where the workers of the prison,

they were teaching about Jesus to the children, And I remember already when I was a very young child that I understood that I am as sinner as those men who were there in prison. And I'm need of grace. And it was an enormous joy for me to have the understanding of the gospel that Jesus has died for me. And so I remember I was a little child when I was praying that Jesus would enter to my life and forgive my sins. And I'm so grateful that he has been faithful to me. Of course, I have had also, for example, when I was a teenager, I had some crisis in my my life and in my belief in in Jesus but but yes he has been faithful and it has been very

important for me that I have felt that God speaks through the Bible it is the word of God and and and he has guided me and and it is the basis for it is the foundation for also when I think about eternity, to life after the death. And so it has been so important for me. And I have to say that all this legal process, this ordeal for this almost five years, I have felt at the same time

that it has been a calling to me. And it has even been a privilege to defend these important freedoms, freedom of speech and freedom of faith. And also, it has been amazing and it has been wonderful to see how God has opened so many opportunities to testify about. gospel and Jesus in public in front of the police and in court and in media. And there have been many people who have told that they have found Christ when they have followed my case.

So I think that God has used this process. I have had all the time very strong and very deep feeling that this has been God calling to me to go through this process. So I'm thankful. I'm grateful at the moment and I trust that this all process is in God's hand. There is some purpose for this. And I just pray that God would use this. also in future. Yes. Well, the Word of God does not return void. It is going to do what God wants it to accomplish. And you tweeted the Word of God. And some people, of course, they didn't like it, but the Word of God can plant a seed. And I believe that through this story, I mean, it reminds me so much of the story of Joseph, Joseph being sold into slavery, being betrayed. And then God used him,

of course to protect his people. And what Satan means for evil, God means for good. And nothing can stop his plan of redemption. So God uses like even hopeless and scary situations to advance his kingdom. And you're right. I see that so much through this. And God does so much through our simple acts of obedience. It's really not about us.

And it's really not about our own courage. It's really about his faithfulness and him using our obedience to accomplish what he wants to accomplish. So I know that you're not taking credit for this, but I do just want to say thank you. For being obedient, I know that you're relying on the Holy Spirit for that. But you're an example to me all the way here in the United States. You're an example for every Christian who is listening to this. We face similar situations here in the U.S. Unfortunately, we do.

And so yours is a good example that, you know what, every Christian is called to count the cost. And we're all called to take up our cross and follow Christ. And that's not always easy and convenient. So I just want to say thank you for that. Thank you. Kristen, I want to hear from you about just the legal battle. What has it been like? Can you explain to us what the conclusion is as of right?

now. Sure. Well, as Pivey described, it has been an ordealing battle for her, not just going through police investigations, but being in the police station and having questions about her theology, then moving into the courtroom and having to defend herself on multiple occasions. She started out in the Helsinki District Court. So if we think about it in terms of the American system, think about the trial court system. So you start out in the trial court system. And she was vindicated on all counts, all three charges there. The prosecutor should have walked away at that point, but instead the prosecutor general decided to appeal PIVI's case. And that's where the Finnish system departs from the U.S. system. In the United States, if you are acquitted from a crime,

that can't be appealed. But in Finland, if you're acquitted from a crime, it can be appealed. And so Pivey again had to go through the ordeal and had an appeal that went to the court of appeals there. And again, she was acquitted on all charges completely. And then once again, the prosecutor general should have walked away, but decided again to ask Finland's Supreme Court to hear her case. And that's where her case is at right now. She's been vindicated by every judge that has considered her case, but it sits at the Finnish Supreme Court right now,

and we're waiting to hear whether they will hear the case. those who watch the court system, including our attorneys, suspect that they may grant the appeal, and we're hopeful that she'll be vindicated again. But again, it's a long ordeal, and the process becomes the punishment. Yeah, absolutely. That's the thing, is that even if she is victorious after all of this, I mean, we've seen similar situations, like with Jack Phillips here in the United States. I mean, it takes up years of their life and resources and energy and safety and security and

all of these things. And I think that seems to be kind of the point, right? Like the punishment, you said the process is the punishment and the punishment is the point, don't you think? I think it's a part of it. But I think as I was listening to Pivey Teller's story, a few points that I think would be helpful to make in terms of the law is that it is more than just the punishment being the process. It's that the laws are changing. At Alliance of Indian Freedom, we're most known for our court cases at the Supreme Court like Jack Phillips, but we're working around the world,

and we are seeing a rising tide of global censorship. We have cases across Europe. We have cases in Latin America, in Asia, in Africa, all involving these types of laws. And yes, we have the First Amendment. But I just would encourage Americans in particular to recognize that every West country has these types of hate speech laws right now, except the United States. We're the last nation that doesn't have it. And at the same time, these other nations have constitutional and legal protections in place, some of which have even stronger language than our First Amendment. And so we are seeing these hate speech laws come in through the back door in the United States, and we're litigating cases right now about them. And as you mentioned Jack, Jack Phillips says,

He's on his third case right now. He still has a case that's going on, even though we won in 303 Creative, a recent Supreme Court case on behalf of a website designer. So our rights are only as good as when we stand up and insist that they be protected. Yeah, absolutely. Gosh, we've seen that in so many instances, especially over the last few years. What I find in the conversation about free speech and hate speech is that some people are unable and it's not just when it comes to the issue of so-called hate speech, which is very

arbitrarily defined, but people are unable to separate some people what the law should be from what they personally think. And so they believe that something being legal or advocating for something being illegal means that you are endorsing that thing. So of course, we are against, I'm against truly hateful speech. I don't like it, won't say it, won't support someone, you know, the words that someone says, But I can understand why it's important that someone has the right to say things that I may personally find offensive or I may vehemently disagree with. And I just have seen this increase in an inability or unwillingness to kind of separate those two things, to understand that something

has to be a protected right, even if I don't agree with what someone is saying or someone is creating or someone is believing or who someone is worshipping. I can disagree all day long, and I can still believe that that thing should be legal. I'm not saying that is true in every single case. Obviously, there are limits to that. But when it comes to free speech, certainly. Absolutely. I mean, in American law and what we've seen throughout history, the best free speech laws are those that do insist that if there's an imminent coercion or imminent suggestion of a violence, then in that moment there may be some limitations on speech, but that's not what's happening around the United States

or around the world right now. And I think the question that has to be asked is who should be limiting speech? What's the best way to counter bad ideas? Social science and history tells us that it's not by giving the power to the government to censor ideas. It's about ensuring that we can all enter the marketplace and search for truth.

So if we're talking about global censorship and the impact of censorship, and we allow states to make those decisions. What we're doing is blurring the line between democracy and dictatorship. And we're also inhibiting the search for truth and the way to get to the right answers. We know that the best way is, again, to engage in robust debate and then to see social progress come out of that. Right, right. Ms. Resoninan, do you have any final words of encouragement for Christians in general, but particularly Christians who, like you, have a public platform where they have the responsibility to speak the truth, to share the things they believe in.

But just like you have here in the United States, it can be kind of scary to do so sometimes. So what words of courage would you give fellow Christians around the world? Yes, thank you. I think that we are now living in that kind of time. that it is very important to encourage each other as Christians and pray for each other. And I'm very, very grateful for messages from thousands and thousands of people who tell that they are praying for me and for Finland and for this case. And I think that we, we, what is needed now is especially the young Christians, they need a lot of encouragement and prayers. Because we are now living in that kind of time when the cancel culture is so topical.

I also want to encourage that now it is time to speak, because tomorrow we are silent about these controversial issues about the time, for example, sexuality and marriage and respect for life. the narrower becomes the space to speak and for these freedoms. So it is important to use these freedoms. So I think that, for example, in Finland, the biggest problem for the freedom of speak is the self-censorship. And that's why it is important that we Christians,

that we use these freedoms, that we speak about, what Bible teaches and we tell the good message about Jesus as he has commanded us. And then also I want to encourage that what Jesus has promised in Bible about difficult times and even persecutions, we can trust in He. He is trustful that what he has promised he also he does it and I have felt very concretely that I have got peace and I have also got a words when when needed in court and in front of the police. Yes. Well, thank you so much.

I really appreciate you taking the time to come on. And I know that my audience will be praying for you. And I will continue to as well. And I'm just so thankful to God for his faithfulness and his commitment to advancing his kingdom through his people. and so I appreciate the role that you play in that. And thank you, Kristen. And gosh, I am continually thankful for ADF and what ADF does for people around the world. I also believe that God is using ADF in incredible ways.

And I am the biggest fan. So thank you both so much for your courage. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, guys, thank you so much for listening and watching just for a moment. We've got a super exciting guest on Tuesday, and that is Candice Cameron Bure. And we've already recorded the conversation.

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