Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 969 | Democrats’ Plan to Replace Biden as the Nominee | Guest: Kristan Hawkins

Episode Date: March 18, 2024

Today we’re joined by Student for Life president Kristan Hawkins to discuss the possibility of Joe Biden potentially not being the Democratic presidential nominee. We explain what the play might be and how the Democrats are plotting to win the presidency. But who might replace him as the nominee? We look at some of the options from Kamala Harris to Gavin Newsom. We look at where the current presidential candidates stand on abortion and why it matters, and take a look at IVF and the pro-life movement.  --- Timecodes: (00:46) Biden may not be the nominee (11:20) Politicians on the abortion issue (14:44) Trump on abortion (24:00) RFK Jr. on abortion / voting for RFK (33:00) IVF --- Today's Sponsors: Carly Jean Los Angeles — use promo code RELATABLE to get 20% off your entire order at CarlyJeanLosAngeles.com! Seven Weeks Coffee — Seven Weeks is a pro-life coffee company with a simple mission: DONATE 10% of every sale to pregnancy care centers across America. Get your organically farmed and pesticide-free coffee at sevenweekscoffee.com and let your coffee serve a greater purpose. Use the promo code 'ALLIE' to save 10% off your order. Birch Gold — protect your future with gold. Text 'ALLIE' to 989898 for a free, zero obligation info kit on diversifying and protecting your savings with gold. --- Links: Students for Life: "The Democratic Party Has FOUR Not-So-Secret Ways They Could Replace President Biden" https://www.studentsforlifeaction.org/the-democratic-party-has-four-not-so-secret-ways-they-could-replace-president-biden/ --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 289 | Trump vs. Biden 2020: Abortion https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-289-trump-vs-biden-2020-abortion/id1359249098?i=1000488343501 Ep 934 | Beth Moore Has a Message for Trump Voters | Guest: Steve Deace https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-934-ready-or-not-here-the-election-comes-guest-steve-deace/id1359249098?i=1000641888019 --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort.

We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Biden might not be the Democratic nominee. There are a few possibilities that we will be unraveling and discussing today. Also, if he is the nominee and it's Trump versus Biden versus RFK, who is. is actually the most pro-life candidate. That question is not as easy to answer as you might think.

This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to Good Ranchers.com. Use Code Ali at checkout. That's good ranchers.com. Code Allie. Kristen, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. I'm so glad to have you on finally. Thanks for having me. It's an honor to be on a show that you actually listen to. So this is great. Well, thank you so much. Okay, we've got so much to talk about in cover today, of course, much life slash abortion related. But we had been messaging a few months ago about something that you've said, which is that Biden might not actually be the Democratic nominee. Now, he did just reach the delegate threshold for the 2024 Democratic nomination.

But like, what do you think is going on here? And what are some possibilities? Yeah, well, I think when you look at, you know, Gavin Newsom's Tour of America and the billboards he's sponsoring with Scripture verses in the South to promote abortion and telling folks to come to his state to get a taxpayer-funded abortion, it's very clear. He's no longer just setting his sights on destroying California. It's it's more nationwide now. And, I mean, it's anyone who tuned into the state of the union with President Biden. I was on the plane. I felt sadly, I felt a lot.

little bad for the person saying next to me, but it was very clear that, you know, he was real amped up for the first 15, 20 minutes and then just slowly he began to fade. And as someone who's, you know, had grandparents who've gone through this phase in life, but it's, you start to see some signs here of that all is it well. And I don't think anyone, certainly in the millennial or Gen Z generation agrees, most folks would agree that there's something not right there. And so what we've started really wondering is what's the play here? What is the Democrats' actual plan for winning in November? Most people don't realize this, but the Democratic National Committee has some pretty obscure convention rules about what would happen in the event that the party's nominee for president and vice president would die, suffer from a disability, or even resign.

I'll read this quote. the national chairman of the Democratic National Committee shall confer with the Democratic leadership of the United States Congress and the Democratic Governors Association shall report to the DNC, which is authorized to fill the vacancy or vacancies. It's right there that Joe Biden could secure the nomination, receive the nomination at the convention, and then choose to resign immediately after the convention and the leadership of the Democratic Party would be able to nominate who's running for president of the United States. Okay. How likely do you think that is just in your

own personal assessment? I don't know. I'm more of like a 50-50 type of gal. I'm kind of conservative when it comes to my bets. But I would say it's just knowing what we know from President Biden, all the slipups we've seen this year, the moves that we've seen, Governor New to make. I would say, you know, there's certainly angling going on behind the scenes, no matter what Gavin Newsom says in the media. So you think that that is their play. I don't think it's going to be Michelle Obama. I actually really think she does not want to be in politics. I'm not sure about Kamala Harris. So you think that their play might be to set up someone like Gavin Newsom, or at least they're testing him out to see how that'll go. Absolutely. I mean, you've

got Gavin Newsom, you know, he's, you know, coming, I'm in Florida right now. So he's coming to Florida doing events. Why is Gavin Newsom coming to Florida to host events? It doesn't make any sense. Right. Especially when DeSantis is not even ready anymore. It'd be one thing if you thought, okay, he's just trying to make DeSantis look bad because DeSantis is running for president, but DeSantis isn't even in the race. So why would he be doing that? No, and other names that have come up, you know, you think about the Michigan governor, Grish of Whitmer, she's like the abortion governor who gleefully deleted out all the funding for any pregnancy centers and all limits for abortion in her state and has been leading to charge.

You have the Illinois governor, J.B. Pritzker, who's using his own fortune to launch a pro-abortion nonprofit to go to war against the red states. So it may not just be Gavin Newsome. There, There is certainly quite a few abortion ideologues who are, I think, angling for this role. Right. So you guys wrote an article, Students for Life, wrote an article a few months ago talking about this, about the four ways that the Democrat Party could replace Biden, which, as you said, just watching him at the state of the union, it's hard to imagine that they wouldn't want to do that, no matter what they say.

I know, of course, right now they have to say he's so awesome. He's great. He's so accomplished and so. with it. But I think we all know what's going on probably behind closed doors. They are at least talking about what if he doesn't make it? What if he is totally incapacitated? So one option that you guys gave was that he would lose the primary. At this point, we know that he has won the primary. He's got enough delegates. But the second is that at the convention delegates who ran on a pledge to support the president don't. And you included Fox News's analysis.

of the DNC rules. Delegates are awarded to candidates during primaries throughout the first half of the year, but they won't elect a candidate for president until they vote during that convention. Under Democrat Party rules, pledge delegates are not required to vote for the candidate they represent, but are told to reflect the sentiments of those who elected them.

So an endorsement from Biden would be very influential. So that's a possibility. Yes, it's absolutely a possibility. And, you know, that's, that would be fast. It would happen fast. It would happen at the convention. They go into the convention. The delegates wouldn't give their vote to President Biden.

Something would be maneuvering on the floor. And then you have you come out of the DNC convention this summer with a totally new candidate for president and the Democratic ticket. The Joe Biden resigning after the nomination is also, you know, I think that's a pretty big possibility as well. And then you also have the fourth option where President Biden just drops out and vice president Kamala Harris, who is, you know, is, you know, the abortion advocate for the Biden administration. She becomes the candidate president. I think that's probably the least likely to happen out of those three remaining options, given her unpopularity with the American people, folks on both sides. So I definitely think it's something with the convention or after the convention where he would. resign and the party would get to choose his replacement.

Wow. Well, I think one thing that we know is that this is going to be probably the craziest election of our lifetimes. There's just so much that cannot be predicted. When you look at Trump's legal troubles and when you look at Biden's mental troubles, we've got two candidates that are on very shaky ground just as far as like their ability to run. We can't even think about their ability to lead the country. Like, can you even make it to the election? Yeah, it's, you know, it's hard as someone who's out there, you know, with our 1,500 students for life groups, we're recruiting volunteers to go door knocking and work in elections because, you know, the abortion issue is not a political issue. However, politics is a very important part of

one of the areas we play, just like service and support. And it's very different. And it's very difficult because you're having these conversations. And so really what you'll see pro-lifers talking about, you know, most of the time now really isn't the race for president. It's going to be the U.S. Senate campaigns because, you know, when you think about all the rulings that have come out and the Democrats very clear goals and then pledges they've made to their party-based voters, they want to reshape the judiciary. They want to stack the Supreme Court. And so when you think about who is the entity, who are the people that will be able to stop that, that's the U.S. Senate. We're very focused at Students Life Action at the state legislative level of winning races

and ensuring solid pro-life champions. I do not care if a candidate has an R beside their name. I want to see them have a PL beside their name, pro-life. And so, you know, we've already been engaging in the primary process, knocking on doors, making sure voters and constituents to understand that some of these candidates, even in the red states that pledge to be pro-lifes, aren't really acting like it when they get to the state capital

and replacing them with 100% solid pro-life conservative legislators at their state capital, because that's where we're seeing a lot of this momentum. Hey, this is Steve Deast. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual,

and rooted in what we believe is true about. God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when

it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this Steve Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us.

Have you noticed in your dealing with the politicians who are running for office that they are scared of the abortion issue more so than they have been in the past because this has become even more polarized since the overturning of Roe v. Wade? What have you seen when it comes to Republicans and how they approach abortion? Yeah, I mean, I think you have some Republicans who've been scared since the day to Dobbs decision was like came out, right? That we all kind of knew that some of these leaders who came to the pro-life banquet and gladly accepted the endorsements and campaign dollars from pro-life entities really weren't on our side. And we knew that because we had gone in and had asked them to sponsor legislation or lead in a legislative effort. And it was always like, well, not right now, not at this moment. And so you had a lot of politicians who are scared very quickly in the Republican Party that they were going to be required to actually do something.

And so we've definitely seen, Allie, a lot of hesitation from some of these Republican leaders who really weren't, I would say, well formed in the issue of abortion about Planned Parenthood, the violence that goes on in Planned Parenthood, the corruption that goes on, inside of Planned Parenthood. So they had to do a lot of catch up very quickly. That's where you've seen some missteps with language folks have used when they've been on the hot seat in an interview, asked a question and didn't really know how to respond because they had really

never thought through that question. I had an eight page like memo. I was schlepping around to Washington, D.C. about a month and a half before the Dobbs decision came down with the talking points for Republican leaders. Like, this is how we respond. These are the resources we give. This is all that the pro-life movement does to support women and families and crisis. But sadly, some of them did not get the memo. And so, yeah, this is definitely an uphill battle that we're facing. And I would like to be able to say on our political arms, students for life action, I'd love to be able to say I spend my

time fighting Democrats every day and pro-abortion candidates, but that's not the case. I spend the majority of our time, actually engaging with Republicans to force Republicans to uphold the platform of our party and to remind them of their pro-life promises. And that's why, you know, I'm the most popular person in Washington, D.C. when folks discover that we're engaging in Republican primaries and holding these people's feet to the fire for the promises they've made. And it's something to think about, like, this generation who aren't, and this is, you know, the conversation I try to have with the older folks is this generation of pro-life leaders, this pro-life generation, we're not party advocates. We are not Republican first. We are Christian first. We're Americans.

We're pro-lifers. The label of the party is so far down the list of priorities. And I think the older generation of political leaders has a hard time thinking of that. They think that, well, if I have an Arvice, I have a name, everyone's going to come alongside of me and support me. That's not the case. We want leaders who are pro-life first. Yeah. What do you make of the candidates' abortion positions right now? I mean, when you look at Trump, who is, if you look at Trump, RFK Biden, Trump, I guess, is the most pro-life in that he helped nominate and place the SCOTUS picks that ended up, helped. being the overturning of Roe v. Wade. He went to the March for Life. I think he would call himself pro-life,

but I actually posted on my Instagram stories when I was comparing him in RFK the other day when I said, you know, well, Trump is pro-choice. I got so many messages saying, what are you talking about? Trump is not pro-choice. He's so pro-life. Well, I'm not so sure about that.

Just based on the things that he said, and actually, before I get your commentary on it, I've got a thought. So I'll just, if we can do SOT 2.5 on the federal abortion ban. If a federal ban landed on your desk, if you were reelected, would you sign it at 15 weeks? Are you talking about a complete ban? A ban at 15 weeks. Well, people are starting to think of 15 weeks.

That seems to be a number that people are talking about right now. Would you sign that? I would sit down with both sides and I'd negotiate some. something and we'll end up with peace in that issue for the first time in 52 years. I'm not going to say I would or I wouldn't. I mean, desaacters is willing to sign a five-week and six-week ban. Would you support that? You think that goes too far?

I think what he did is a terrible thing and a terrible mistake. Okay, heartbeat bills, terrible thing, terrible mistake, but maybe 15 weeks while into the second trimester. What's your take? Well, I think it's a completely naive statement to say that President Trump, the dealmaker, is going to sit down with Planned Parenthood who literally profits off the despair of women and profits off of selling her an abortion

instead of actually, I don't know, helping her and empowering her, telling her, they profit off of telling her she can't be a mother and complete her education or achieve her cure goals. That he's going to sit down with Planned Parenthood and then me and other female, you know, the pro-life leaders, we tend to be, I don't know, we're all women right now.

and we're all going to come to some sort of conclusion that everyone's going to be happy and there's going to be peace on this issue. There will never be peace on the abortion issue until abortion is ended. I mean, that is what's so unique about the American pro-life movement when you compare our movement to, you know, my friends in Europe who are leading pro-life movements, where in Europe, sadly, thanks to these, you know, compromises of like 15-week, 12-week bans, on abortion prevention acts, you know, peace was declared in these countries that, you know, it's no longer contentious issue. We've moderated abortion. It's over. And it's made it

incredibly difficult for the pro-lifers in these other countries to continue to beat the drum that abortion is in a grave moral, you know, evil and should be ended. And I think that, you know, that's one of my concerns I have about presenting a national, you know, piece of legislation to prevent abortions at 15 or 16 weeks that will save maybe 4% of children. But the, you know, and I'm always in favor of saving as many kids as possible. Absolutely. I don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater. But I do think we have to be careful of not saying we're going to present this consensus

solution of 15 weeks. And then the issue is going to be over because I'm thinking long term about the long term success of our movement, not just 20. 2024, but 2034, 24, as the pro-life generation rises up to abolish this evil. And so that was a incredibly naive statement to say, you know, what I have asked of the Trump campaign in my conversations, honestly, the president doesn't need to be speaking about abortion right now. He needs to be focusing on, you can focus on his record and highlight the differences between him and President Biden, who is 100% percent.

pro-abortion. You know, getting a prevention act to the president's desk was going to take a pro-life Senate. So I don't even think we're at that conversation. However, President Trump could speak into the things he likes to talk about the most, the things like, I don't know, taking out the swamp, the fact that we have 80-year-old grandma sitting in jail for peacefully praying in from the abortion facility awaiting a 10-to-11-year federal prison sentence or the fact that the FDA, COVID as an excuse stripped all of the safety regulations off a chemical abortion pills, RU46. Now women and or rapists can obtain these drugs who can then cover up their crimes. And these drugs are not only killing her child. They're not only making her bathroom and

abortion facility, but they're also leading to infertility. They're putting her life at risk. They have a 15% in completion rate, meaning she is vulnerable to sepsis and affection. because she's not seeing a doctor. If she's RH negative, she may be never able to carry another child to turn. These drugs are then entering our public waterways through these three active metabolites that are only found in RU4A6, which we know are known endocrine disruptors and harm animal and plant life. No one's talking about that.

So, you know, President Trump could do a lot of good focusing on the things that as present as a head of the executive branch, he could actually achieve rather than saying things like that, which, you know, the pro-life movement has not struggled for 51 years to get peace on abortion by allowing 93 to 94, 95% abortions to continue. And that's not where we'll be okay. Yeah. Wow. And you know, just like, you're so right, because PR 101, you do. not have to answer the questions that are given to you in an interview. You can give whatever answer you want. If someone asks you, would you sign this? Would you sign that? Of course, I would have loved for him to answer differently and say, yay, I love heartbeat bills. However, if you're not going to

say that and just say, you know what I want to focus on? I'm worried about that grandmother who is rotting in prison right now because she was peacefully protesting. Can't we agree that that is wrong? And that's what the Democrat stand for? You can always turn it around. You can. You're You never have to answer the question that the interviewer gives you. But he very famously, I don't think, is trained. Like he doesn't listen to publicists or media trainers. He needs you. He needs you to help him answer those questions.

He needs you, Allie, Beth. We can go down the more long ago together because it's, yeah, it's very frustrating. You know, we're concerned about the 24 election, of course, in the pro-life movement. I'm concerned about the presidency, the U.S. Senate, the House of Representatives, state legislative races. And we need the pro-life generation to rise up like ever before to volunteer for, you know, candidates of all at all levels because laws are a way that we save lives and we will move culture on this issue. It's not like I said. It's not the only way.

But it is a very important part of this movement. And to hear President Trump say, because even with that clip, you know, you pulled, I was, I was thinking to myself, does he really think heartbeat laws, which we were so honored to. you know, push here in Florida. And I was like knocking on doors here in very nice Naples against the Republican leader to force that bill for a vote. Yeah. But does he really hate heartbeat laws? Or was he just like in the mode of anything Ron DeSantis did he was calling terrible. Right. Who knows? I don't know. I have no clue. No matter what, whether he thinks that is true or not, he is the most pro-life for the least pro-choice candidate that we've got on the table right now. You know, I've got a lot of people in my audience who are considering voting for RFK.

And these are pro-lifers, but they like his position on medical freedom. He's shown a lot of compassion towards moms whose kids have been vaccine injured. They like his stance against Fauci and they look at Trump and they say, okay, well, he didn't drain the swamp. He should have fired Fauci. He should have fired Christopher Ray. and he, you know, pushed the vaccine, which a lot of people don't like. And then also they're looking at the abortion issue because these are pro-lifers saying this.

And they're like, well, RFK is pro-choice, but Trump hasn't been as strong as we want to either. So RFK, he said in an interview that there should be restrictions after the first three months, but then actually his campaign manager said, no, that's not, yeah, that's not what we believe. And so tell me, like, what's your. take on that and looking at the like pro life creds of Trump versus RFK. Yeah. I mean, you have to look at to the Ronald Reagan adage of personnel policy. That is something you have to look at anytime you're electing an official, right?

Because you have to see who are they going to appoint? Who is going to be serving alongside of them giving daily briefings? I could tell you right now, you're never going to vote. I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't see this happening in my lifetime. I'm never going to vote for a presidential candidate that I agree with fully. I have to be strategic in my vote. And I know I have to vote for the least amount of evil that is out there today. I don't know what RFK's full position on abortion.

Maybe he is against abortion in a second, third trimester. That's awesome. In fact, I wouldn't have a conversation with him ASAP about what we're finding in the water and chemical abortion pills because I think that's a lot of common ground can be found there. And I love to talk with him and staff about that. However, the fact that his staff walked back that statement tells you who he has surrounded himself with. That also tells you who's going to be serving in his White House.

If you even think he, first of all, he doesn't have a chance of waiting. But if you think he has a chance, you want to make an argument with me that RFK has a chance of winning the presidency in our two-party system. Okay. Then ask yourself, who is going to surround him? Who is he going to appoint to be Secretary of Health and Human Services? Right now, the Department of Health and Human Services, We have a lawyer, not a doctor, who's an abortion activist who sued Catholic nuns in California

to force Catholic nuns to put birth control, hormonal birth control, and abortion into their insurance plan. That's the man, Javier Vassara, who's leading our Department of Health and Human Services, an abortion activist. Who do we think RFK is going to appoint to lead HHS, who will then appoint the FDA Commissioner and the NIH Commissioner? I mean, that's what you have to ask yourself. I mean, one of the challenges that the Trump administration and many people in Trump administration came out to say after their first four years was the biggest challenge President Trump had of being elected president and being a D.C. outsider was they had a very hard time figuring out how D.C. worked and in the people they needed to hire. That was one of the key roles of a vice president Pence who had been in D.C. and knew the folks that had been leading these efforts. and previous administrations who could jump right back in to quickly undo the eight years of evil from Barack Obama's presidential administration.

Who's RFK going to appoint? Yeah. Yep. That's my question, too. When it comes to Supreme Court justices, when it comes to all the things that you talked about, who is in RFK's orbit? Like, to your point, his spokesperson when she was asked, okay, wait, does he support a federal abortion ban? because at first he was like, oh, yeah, sure, 15 weeks sounds good.

And she said, the spokesperson said, Mr. Kennedy supports a woman's right to choose. And then goes on to say that, you know what, he thinks that the issue of late-term abortion, it's just being used to gin up controversy. And it's disturbing that that happens. But even then she's saying that's a woman's right to choose. So what she is saying in so many words is that Kennedy's position, is that it is a woman's choice through all nine months of pregnancy. Now, whether or not he believes that personally is almost irrelevant.

At the end of the day, it matters who he puts in charge. He might not really want to say or believe that himself. I'm sure he was raised Catholic, and so he probably does have some qualms with that. However, if that is what he is running on, and that's, what the people who are around him believe, that is going to manifest itself in policy. And look, he can be a great advocate against the predation of Big Pharma. 100% something to be said for that. I appreciate that. Does he believe babies in the womb have a right to life? I don't really see evidence that he does or would enact policies that represent that. That's exactly right. And I think

you just have to ask yourself who is he surround themselves with. Even with the challenges we've had with some of the things Donald Trump has said recently that we've been very disappointed by, I can tell you with 100% certainty. The folks that I've been speaking with inside the Trump campaign when I call to complain, Aliba, are pro-life. You know, the people that are working on the campaign, they already know what I'm going to say before I'm on the phone complaining to them about some statement that's been said in some media interview. And that to me gives me at least some reassurance that the, you know, we,

what we said in 2016 when we were trying to evaluate, who does the pro-life generation support and who the pro-life generation should support after Donald Trump secured the nomination. You know, my statement to our student leaders was very clear that actions speak louder than words. And Donald Trump's actions during the four years of his presidency are speaking louder than some misstatements that he's made in the past year. He has been a solid, and he was a solid pro-life president when you look at the judges,

the judges that overturned, Roversus Wade, the federal judges that he appointed, the leaders at HHS, and throughout all of his administration. And I actually think Vice President Pence actually is one to think for that. But that's key and that's clutch when you're trying to make these strategic decision. Because once again, you're not going to, as a. a Christian, I don't think we're ever going to vote for somebody who is 100% aligned with our values and votes with a Christian worldview all the time. I think the best we can do in this

present situation and the world we live in is to make a strategic decision with our vote, not throwing away that vote and making sure our vote can be used for the most amount of good. And if our votes can be used to get Joe Biden and the Democrats out of the White House, House to stop the vicious promotion of chemical abortion pills and abortion across our country. I mean, the Vice President of United States just visited a mega Planned Parenthood abortion facility in Minneapolis. This has never happened before in the history of our country. They are trying.

They have a fool-on campaign to normalize killing babies for profit, killing human children for profit. So, yeah, I mean, think about the state of the Union and even this comments around. made in the state of the union where president biden started talking about how republicans in alabama are evil there was babies and test tubes that mothers weren't able to implant uh and that was evil because we like babies and in the next breath he championed kate cox who went across state lines and aborted her child because her child's chromosomes weren't perfect in her mind and she didn't want to be bothered having a child with tristomy 18 who literally practiced eugenics they were you know that was like

the whiplash was crazy we should we needed to wear a neck brace during the state of union yeah no it is eugenics people don't see it like that and it's actually amazing i know we don't have time i've got to let you go but when i talk about things like kate cox how they really a lot of people even some people who call themselves pro-life think that the democrats actually have the more reasonable and compassionate position on that it's like oh Yeah, in this one case, when it comes to a child who has a disability, all of a sudden, we have to believe that child doesn't have a right not to be murdered. That makes me think that people don't really understand the pro-life position at all.

No, in fact, they don't. So I'll prove it to you. So immediately after the Alabama decision came down, I started speaking out about my concerns with a vitro fertilization, one from a Christian, a moral perspective, than two as a mother, because I have two children with cystic fibrosis. 90% of children with cystic fibrosis who are diagnosed in utero are aborted. PGD, prenatal genetic determination is used in IVF clinics every single day with couples who have been determined to be recessive carriers for cystic fibrosis.

Why? Because they eliminate children who have cystic fibrosis. We practice eugenics saying that there's something wrong with my children and they shouldn't have been born and they'd be better off being thrown away or their bodies as embryonic humans donated to science to be killed. It's absolutely sick that mentality. But we started running, I wanted to know Alliebeth because, you know, you saw those quotes in the media after the Alabama decision of so-and-so pro-lifers says they're pro-IBIF. So we ran a little mind-change experiment online. I do this with Planned Parenthood. I do this with

abortion with our digital field team. And so we targeted pro-lifers in one test and mushy middle, movable middle pro-choice folks and the other test. And normally I'll tell you, when we run these tests, it cost me about $4.24 to change someone's minds on Planned Parenthood, about the same to change a person's mild abortion. I never run the test on pro-lifers because I know they stand. But this time I did pro-lifers and mushy metal demographic. And it was a quiz. And the question was, do you support IBF? Take this quiz. Tell me, us tell us how much you know and at the end of the quiz we ask re-ask the same question do you support IVF and the quiz is four questions true or false 88% conversion rate cost me 36 cents per minds change

of pro lifers and the mushy middle pro choice on the issue of IVF and it's both it's an 88 and 86% minds changed rate meaning no one actually knows what happens in IVF clinics. Americans broadly say, I support IVF, but have no idea of the wild, wild west that goes on. And when you do a four question, true or false quiz, the mind, I mean, 36 cents to change your mind on IVF, that tells you no one really knows. And you have Republican leaders who have like, gone, you know, tripped over themselves to try to over correct this Alabama Supreme Court ruling with no, by the way, no regard to the parents who lost. children and they themselves, I can guarantee you, don't know what happens inside an IVF clinic. Oh my gosh. Yes. There's so much that we could say here. That whole Alabama thing is being framed wrongly when it was the parents of the children who were destroyed, who sued. It wasn't anti-IVF

activists. It was these parents saying, oh, these were my children. We want someone to be held liable under the harm to a minor act in Alabama. You're absolutely right. This is actually something that only I have started thinking about in the last five years. And it is probably after abortion, probably the number one thing that people tell me, wow, I didn't know. And now my mind has changed when it comes to IVF and surrogacy. People really, they just, they don't, they never thought about it. They've just never thought about it. And they want to be happy for people who have struggled with infertility and have babies. And so unfortunately, a lot of pro-lifers go through this, you know, any means, any means necessary thought process of justifying IVF.

But I hope that that's changing, although it does put us on even more controversial ground in the mainstream. It does. And I think, you know, I'll tell you, I spoke to New York Times after the decision came out. And I made a simple statement, you know, like, you know, I can't name one pro-life organization that's okay with this, right? I mean, everybody, even Protestant, Catholic, are united that there's something wrong with how IVF practice.

even if you support single embryo transfer and not, you know, putting children in crisis freezers, which 80% of them are never, you know, never are born, even if you support, you know, making one human being and putting one, implanting one human being, there's something wrong with the industry. And you would not believe the text messages I got from friends for that statement, Ali. And it was sad because I was texting with these folks who I know are with me on this issue. But I know the anger that they felt was because they felt that my statements were going to mess up 2024. And so I think that's, we have to challenge ourselves and I have to challenge myself

as a pro-life leader often of, am I making this decision? Am I saying this because I'm worried about this pending election, which I'm definitely worried about. I'm a mom of four children, two of whom who have a severe genetic disability. I'm definitely worried about this election. But have I hurt our movement in 10 to 20 years? And now may not be the time strategically to engage on this issue and go to battle on this issue. But now is the time to have a reasonable conversation and start saying, this raises a lot of good points. Maybe let's start talking about it and let's not be afraid to speak truth. And I think that's where it gets hard as a Christian in the public sphere of we're called to speak truth.

with we're called us to speak truth and love and with compassion. But when, you know, when we're directly asked, people want to answer. And, you know, I can't, I can't just ignore the question. We talked about ignoring the question. Because I could, yes, I can decline the interview and I can say, hey, I'm not going to talk about this issue. Or I'm not going to do that TV interview on this issue. But students to life leaders that are on nearly 1,500 campuses every day, they can't decline the interview. They're the ones having conversations every single day.

with their peers, and they're changing minds. I mean, we're changing 10 to 18% of young people's minds on abortion through personal conversations every single day. And so I was really, I did a lot of, I guess, DMing of some of our student leaders, some of whom were conceived using IVF when this happened, checking on them and really wanting to know what did they need from me. What did they need from the pro-life movement and to have. help them in these conversations.

And all I heard was keep talking. We need more information and, you know, keep being out there. And that's why I love this generation of young people who are just leading this effort so courageously. I mean, they get spit on. They get discriminated in class. They get yelled at by their professors called ignorant in front of other students. But they're always out there. And they're always faithful to the mission that they know.

God's called them too. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. Thank you to you and all the students who are really so brave and going into the lion's den, but also just how you persistently engage with Republicans to just make good on their promises. Everyone should be supporting students for life and going to your website for students for life, making your donation. That's how you guys exist. That's how you guys are able to change people's minds because of the donations and support. of pro-lifers across the country. So thank you so much, Kristen. I really appreciate you taking the time to come on.

Thank you, Beth. And thanks for all that you do and the truth that you speak. Thank you. You'll never know the impact that you may. Because I have conversations with legislators who are like, now did you see this clip on YouTube with this young lady? I'm like, yes, absolutely. And she did and she spoke truth.

So thank you for being fearless. Well, thank you so much, Kristen. Likewise. All right. hope you guys enjoyed that conversation so good. Before we close out, I just want to remind you that there's the new installment of a Blaze original series called Texas versus the feds that you guys have got to watch. It is absolutely mind-blowing what is actually happening on the southern border and how the federal government is standing in the way of Texas's efforts to try to secure the border and to protect its own people. What is going on? Who is behind this? What is the real motivation that the federal government has for basically opening up the border? You've got to check this out. If you go to blazeoriginals.com, use code Allie. You can sign up, get $30 off your subscription. You'll get access to this. My content that's behind the paywall too. It is well worth your money. All right. That's all we've got time for today. We will see you back here tomorrow.

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