Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 970 | Katespiracy Update & Why You Can’t Have It All | Guest: Leanne Jamieson

Episode Date: March 19, 2024

Today we're discussing the latest update on Kate Middleton and whether it's fair to continue asking questions and indulging in conspiracy theories about the princess' well-being. Plus, singer Lily Allen recently said her children "ruined" her career. We unpack what she might have meant by this, the missing context surrounding the comment, and whether there is any truth behind the harsh choice of words. Plus, we interview Leanne Jamieson, director of Prestonwood Pregnancy Center, to discuss some of the updates in the fight against abortion, the needs of pregnancy centers, and how God is working through His obedient servants to love the most vulnerable. You can give to the Prestonwood Pregnancy Center registry here: https://amzn.to/3SHrBWE --- Timecodes: (00:49) Merch (alliemerch.com) (05:43) Kate Middleton update (19:24) Lily Allen on motherhood & careers (36:23) Leanne Jamieson interview (49:47) Pregnancy center update --- Today's Sponsors: Good Ranchers — Go to GoodRanchers.com and use code 'ALLIE' when you subscribe to get a FREE Easter ham and $25 off any box! A'Del — go to adelnaturalcosmetics.com and enter promo code "ALLIE" for 25% off your first order! Jase Medical — get up to a year’s worth of many of your prescription medications delivered in advance. Go to JaseMedical.com today and use promo code “ALLIE". My Patriot Supply — prepare yourself for anything with long-term emergency food storage. Get your new, lower-price 3-Week Emergency Food Kit at PrepareWithAllie.com. --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 764 | What Really Happens at a Crisis Pregnancy Center? | Guest: Leanne Jamison https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/relatable-with-allie-beth-stuckey/id1359249098?i=1000602536140 Ep 966 | Where in the World is Kate Middleton? https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-966-where-in-the-world-is-kate-middleton/id1359249098?i=1000648959055 Ep 968 | Olivia Rodrigo Goes Full Moloch https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-968-olivia-rodrigo-goes-full-moloch/id1359249098?i=1000649238685 --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us.

Princess Kate has been spotted or has she? Producer Bree and I disagree on this. Also, singer-songwriter Lily Allen says children ruined her career. What's all that about? And also, we've got an amazing guest, Leanne Jamison. She is the director of a pregnancy center. is going to tell us what is happening across the country at pregnancy centers, the good, the bad, and the ugly, and also talk to us about the importance of adoption and fostering. This episode is

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she's got a partnership right now with new balance Sydney mclaughlin she and her husband just like amazing and beautiful people um you should follow them too because they're just like very encouraging godly people, but also she is very fashionable. So she's got this new partnership out and I've got some cool new shoes. So thanks so much, Sidney. Hey, this is Steve Day. If you're listening to Allie, you already understand that the biggest issues facing our country aren't just political. They're moral, spiritual, and rooted in what we believe is true about God, humanity, and reality itself. On the Steve Day show, we take the news of the day and tested against first principles, faith, truth, and objective reality. We don't just chase narratives and we don't offer false comfort. We ask the hard

questions and follow the answers wherever they leave, even when it's unpopular. This is a show for people who want honesty over hype and clarity over chaos. If you're looking for commentary grounded in conviction and unwilling to lie to you about where we are or where we're headed, you can watch this D-Day show right here on Blaze TV or listen wherever you get podcasts. I hope you'll join us. Okay, we got a Kate Middleton update. This is also what is taking up some of the time, not just in today's episode, but in my

life. Kate Middleton has taken up a lot of my life. over the past few days because I, like every other gal out there, have just been thinking randomly, oh, oh, where's Kate? Where's Kate? Where's Kate? I think that I'm busy doing something else. I think I'm taking care of some responsibility.

And then she just pops into my head. I'm like, hey, I hope that she's okay. We went through all the theories last week about where she is and why people just weren't really taking the palace's statements about what happened to her. her whereabouts, her recovery, why they weren't taking them seriously, why there were theories, the whole photo gate editing thing, we went through all of that. And there, of course, if you're following this on social media, there are more theories and more details every day. But now there is another update that you think would quell all of the rumors and the conspiracies, but it has not.

So here is what TMZ is saying is Will and Kate at a farm shop over the weekend. I guess that's like a farmer's market. Is that what the British, a farm shop over the weekend in a video obtained by TMZ. Here they are at SOT 7. Well, the music does not help. That, I mean, that alone gives me a lot of just conspiracy vibes. I don't know if that's purposeful or not, but that just makes me think that something is really going on. So anyway, that is, that that's supposed to be Kate and Will.

And the reason I say supposed to be is because a lot of people are saying, this is not Kate and Will. That's not really Will. That's not really Kate. They have put in a stand in. But if we pull up some of the pictures, which we will if you're watching on YouTube, and it's not the best quality because all anyone has is like a screenshot of the video. People are saying that this does not look like them. I think it does.

I think it does. Now, granted, maybe my eyes aren't that great because I also didn't see any of the editing problems and the picture that went viral and that other people caught. And they were right, by the way, it was edited. And I just didn't see that. And so maybe I'm crazy here, but this looks like Kate to me. And like, why would they, if they were going to put out a clone, if they were going to put out, you know, a stand in to try to falsely, the conspiracy goes, signal that she's okay to the world.

I don't think that they would have chosen this scenario. They would have, like at the farmer's market with them so dressed down. And I just don't think so. Plus, she looks really thin. So if she really had abdominal surgery, now sources are apparently saying bowel surgery specifically, which was a theory that a lot of you had, by the way, that she had a bag that's associated with bowel surgery. It can be extremely invasive and their recovery can be really long.

It would make sense that she had lost some weight. So if the palace were trying to signal, hey, everything's fine by putting in a stand-in for the paparazzi to catch, I don't think that they would have chosen someone who looks this thin. Because her thinness also is sparking concerns, further concerns from people saying, wow, was she okay? She looks so small. I think that they would have put out someone who looks healthier. But it would make sense if she really did have this kind of abdominal surgery. I saw, I don't remember what it was, but I saw a post saying she didn't have abdominal surgery. She had bowel surgery.

I don't understand that. The bowel is in the abdomen. So I understand why they didn't want to say bowel surgery because that's a little embarrassing. And it's a little crude. And so maybe they were trying to protect her image. I don't know. I don't think the palace has done a good job with PR. But I think that's what they were trying to do.

Anyway, all that to say, like it makes sense that she looks really small. And maybe that her face looks a little bit different too. because one, when you've been sick and you've been depleted, your face is going to look different. Your hair is going to look different. Your bone structure is going to look different. And if you're really thin and she does look really thin. She was already thin before. She looks even thinner than that. That changes what your face looks like. And yes, I do think this looks like Prince William, by the way. I just do. I think honestly a lot of people, and I love a good theory. I'll even entertain a conspiracy for a sec. But I do think people, and we saw this so much with the Q&on stuff with Trump, like people are very addicted to, like, continuing a conspiracy. I'm not, I don't know. I don't know all the details to this. Maybe some of the theories there is some truth to them, both, you know, before this and since and since this picture and video was released. But I do think just beware that there are some people who have gained a lot of viral. attention, virality, if you will, over the past few weeks or few days because of this, that they're going to cling to dear, to this for dear life because their fame and their prominence is now dependent upon it. I'm not saying that there aren't questions to ask.

I think it's all fair. I think it's all been fair, especially up to this point to ask some questions and to have some concerns. Like I said, I have those questions. I had those concerns. but I do think that we are probably at this point about done with the extensive conspiracies, right? Again, there are some questions. Questions remain. We'll see what happens on Easter. As I have seen people say, although I said this from the beginning, but I've seen people say that it is interesting that she is resurrecting on Easter.

Easter. Yeah, I made that connection too. I think it's interesting too. I don't think there's like a reason for it necessarily. I don't think the symbolism is purposeful. It's just interesting. So this was interesting while it lasted. And unless there are other developments, I probably don't have that much more to say about that. I'm sure there will be other people who have commentary on this, who are much more interested in the royals. I just wanted to make sure that our girl was okay, that her kids are okay. But I will say, I did not know that they went to farmers markets. casually on the weekends with their little zip-ups and hats. Bree is shaking her head.

Okay, Bree, come on. You have a conspiracy about this? It's not real. I don't think it's real. Okay. Come on. It just doesn't. I've seen that there is not a body double, but an impersonator who.

You have seen. Yeah, there are pictures of her. Her name's Heidi. She's an actual Kate Middleton impersonator. Do we have her picture? We can put it up. I just see. I just saw that this morning.

And I think it looked more like her. Is she thin like this? This thin. She's, yeah. This is tiny cake. The photo to me looks just like her. And she apparently has a will impersonator also.

So I think it's them. But why? Okay, but answer my questions at the beginning. If they were going to put in stand-ins to signal to everyone that, okay, we're all well and good here. Everyone's healthy. Why would they choose?

this scenario with this type of clothing, this kind of weird situation of a farmer's market, and have her look so thin. But isn't it, I don't know, but isn't it also weird that she supposedly is like on bed rest or recovering from surgery? She looks very spry in this photo, in this, in this video. Well, did they say bed rest? Did they say that she's still on bed rest? but she's in recovery.

And I'm wondering why, if she looks perfectly fine here, why they couldn't have ever... Yeah, but if she's going to go out anyway, why couldn't they just record a video of her being normal? Like, why all the weird stuff? Well, maybe. And I'm just playing devil's advocate because I don't know. But maybe they are just trying not to...

I don't know. I was going to say try not to respond to what they think are ridiculous, absurd conspiracies. Although they did put out the picture, which I think was a response to the conspiracies. But maybe she's like, no, I am not doing that. And she knows she looks super thin. Now, here's what I will say. Here's what I will say is that this picture of her does make me realize that the picture that they put out that was so edited that they say was a very recent picture, I do not think it was a recent picture because she doesn't look that thin.

She does obviously thin, but not this thin in that picture. She looks different here than she did there. So that does make me think that they lied about the timing of that photo. Yeah. Or this isn't real. I think personally neither are. So do you think the palace sends out their dupes? Yeah, because I don't know why they would be together.

I mean, unless this Kate impersonator and this will impersonator are like together. Right. then I don't know why they would be together for this photo. So yes, but I mean, you're right. There are questions about like, why would they do it like this? But I mean, it's a blurry video. I also saw something on Twitter that someone like zooming in on an iPhone at a Rihanna concert from like way in the nosebleed seats.

And you can see her perfectly. And people are like, if you can get images like this on an iPhone now, then why can't we get the clearest photo? Yeah, when they zoom in. I thought you made Kate Middleton. I'm sorry. Whoa. What?

Kate Middleton is actually at Rihanna concerts and everyone knows that. How did I miss that? No, no. Just an example of how iPhones are so good now that really we should have a very clear photo of Kate Middleton if she's really walking around London, you know? I just think that that looks just like her and just like Will. But I mean, if you're telling me that this, okay, I'm looking this up. because I haven't seen this Heidi person.

Heidi. Kate Middleton impersonator. Okay. I'm going to let me see this person. Oh. Wow. Okay. They do look alike.

I don't think that the will guy looks like. They do look alike. I mean, really hard to tell, though. They don't look exactly. a like. But the video is kind of blurry. It is kind of blurry. I don't know, man. I don't know. Okay, well, we can agree to disagree. No, I think that looks like Kate. I really do. I'm full tinfoil hat at this point, but I understand the arguments against that. Okay, well, maybe we'll just keep our updates alive because I'm sure there are people that are in the camp that you are. Okay, I've been wanting to talk about this Lily Allen story. I saw this quote from her where she said,

I never really had a strategy when it comes to my career, but yes, my children ruined my career. And I thought, wow, that's such a difficult message to put out there, such a harsh message, I should say, to put out there about children. and I wanted to talk about it because I looked at the full context and I actually think that our response to something like that initially is like jolting and we understandably have a negative reaction to. I do think it's a little bit layered and nuanced and I think it's important to share this perspective. So for those of you who don't know, she is a 38 year old British singer songwriter and she was really like topping the charts like more of at the height of her fame. several years ago. She's got a few good songs. And on the March 12th episode, or, you know, maybe she has a lot of good songs. I just did not someone who is super, super familiar with all of her music, but I know that she has a lot of very diehard, adoring fans. So on a March 12th episode of

the Radio Times podcast, she made headlines for saying this comment about children and her career. Here's Stop Five. Yes. My children. ruined my career. I mean, I love them and they complete me, but in terms of like, you know, pop sardom, totally ruined it. And really annoys me when people say you can have it all because, quite frankly, you can't. And, you know, some people choose their career over their children,

and that's their prerogative. But, you know, my parents were quite absent when I was a kid, and I feel like that really left some, like, nasty scars that I'm not willing to, you know, to repeat online. And so I chose stepping back, concentrating on them and I'm glad that I've done that because I think they're pretty well-rounded people. See, the context completely changes the quote that has been extracted from that episode and has

made headlines. And I have no idea if this bothers her, but if I were her, it would really bother me. And of course, it's clickbait. That's just what happens. But cosmopolitan Lily Allen says having kids ruined her career. But then the person goes on to say the author of this as a mother, I think she has a point. And then there are several other headlines who say the same thing, who use that particular quote. And I saw a graphic.

I don't know if it was entertainment tonight. I don't remember who originally posted it. And that's all it said. Lily Allen says that children ruined her career. But as you can see from the context, like, first of all, she's saying it tongue and cheek. It's said, she uses the word ruined, which I don't think is like the best word to use, but she's using it purposely. She's using it for shock value.

She's using it to make a point. And she makes a point that I think is really important for us to hear that you really cannot have it all. You can't have it all. And that's okay. Like this is another lie that we're told in addition to you are enough. to your perfect the way that you are in addition to you're entitled to your dreams like all these lies that we've talked about so many times on this show they're fed to women so often from the

self-help self-love culture that you really can't have it all and that your happiness and your convenience and your dreams and your goals come first and everything and everyone else gets deprioritized and has to sacrifice on behalf of what you want and at the end of it you'll just be happy that you fulfilled all of your desires. Well, that is a really big lie. And I do think that more and more women are waking up to this. But I think it's actually a mistake of the pro-life movement that I see a lot, that you can have it all.

No, by choosing life for your baby, you can absolutely do all of the career things that you wanted to do. To me, that's like a form of the feminist deceit that we see in mainstream pro-choice secular culture. because it's not really true. I mean, Lily Allen is right. You cannot have it all all at once. I know this from personal experience.

I would never use the word ruined. But again, I think she's just trying to make the point is that there were a lot of things to say no to once I started having kids. You know, I was doing this for four years before I had a child. I mean, not the podcast, but I was, you know, speaking and the social media and all of that doing the Fox News interviews before I had kids. And man, it was go, go, go. I look back at my husbands and my life back then and how much we were working, how much we were gone, how much we were saying yes to because that was the season that we were in. And, you know, it was an okay season. It was a fine season. And then once I got pregnant and once I had our first kid, there was. was a lot more no. I stopped traveling. I stopped doing those Fox and Friends interviews. I mean, I was waking up for Fox and Friends or Fox and Friends first, sometimes at 2, 3, 4, 5 a.m. I was saying yes to every interview, to every opportunity. Again, that was just the stage that I was in that stopped when I had kids. Not everything stopped, but a lot of things stopped. And after every

child, I've said no to more and more things. I don't travel like I used to. I don't really do interviews. at all anymore. I don't do media anymore. I gave up a consistent writing gig that I was doing. And maybe it might seem like it's not that much to do two articles a month, but I loved it. But I had to say no to that because I no longer have that margin. I no longer have that time. Really, this podcast and the speaking that I do about once or a month where most of my family comes with me typically for that. That's, you know, a choice that we make based on just a variety of factors for every different speaking engagement. But that's like a whole family affair very often. It just looks so different than it did back in 2018. It looks so different. All I have time for,

really, is this podcast, which I have an entire awesome team behind me that helps me do that. And the speaking that I do and that is like a fraction of what I used to do. I used to travel a lot more before I had kids and it was easier with one. It was easier with two. And then with every child you say no to more and more that is not related to them. That's just part of it. And that doesn't mean that you always that there's, that you don't have anything. Like there are plenty of moms who have an Etsy shop who are, you know, influencers in some way and to dedicate time to different parts of their craft. And so there are different ways that that looks, but it is always true that when you are prioritizing your children and prioritizing your family, that there are some sacrifices

in other areas to be made. There is always going to be a tradeoff. And so Lily Allen is right about that. again, I wouldn't use the word ruin because that sacrifice is 100% worth it. And I think that she did end up saying as much. But it's 100% worth it. The saying no to other things is 100% worth it. And I'm very thankful for like the flexibility and the schedule that I have. It is totally a dream that I get to prioritize my time and my energy the way that I can. I understand that's not possible for everyone. I understand that there are different situations. There are single moms out there. You're doing the

best that you possibly can. But she's right. She's right. There is a trade-off. Now, just to be fair also to the pro-life message, who they are trying to say that you, it's not life ruining. And it's not having a child and choosing life for your child instead of abortion, does it mean that you are never going to be able to do the things that you were on track to do. And I think that that is true. And I think that that is an important message. But it also needs to be said that there will be sacrifice, there will be giving up, there will be tradeoffs, and that those things are actually good. I don't want us to feed into the culture of all sacrifice is bad. All giving up is bad. All tradeoffs are bad. All dying to yourself is bad because it's actually,

what is life giving. It is actually so much more fulfilling and so much more satisfying than just constantly fulfilling your desires or chasing your dreams. Those things can't be good when they are in submission to God's will, but they cannot be supreme. They cannot be number one. And I'm actually really glad that Lily Allen was willing to say that and that she allowed her childhood and the negatives that she experienced there to inform how she is parenting her children. When you look at the Proverbs 31 woman, it really looks at the different responsibilities that she had, not in one day, but throughout her life. There are just different seasons. There are different seasons for different yeses and different knows. And yes, as women,

our families, our children, as moms and wives, that is, they should absolutely come first. And there will always be sacrifices to make. And I think that looks differently in different stages of life. It looks differently for different women. It looks differently based on what God has called you to do and what he has equipped you to do. But I do think it's clear that that comes first and there will be sacrifices in other. areas 100% and it is worth it it is worth they are worth every single no that I have given to other

things and continue to give to other things um big nose and small nose so that I can be as you know present as I possibly can and um still dedicate some time to this which I love and God has called me to and in this season has equipped me to do. So anyway, I'm encouraged by someone kind of, I guess, in secular culture, I don't really know what she believes, but just talking about this, talking about the importance and the necessity of sacrifice and giving up, especially when it comes to raising children, just because it's difficult, does it mean that it's wrong or that we should put it off? Sacrifice is good and it's very life-giving. All right. And also, like, I do just want to say this is such a counter to the, this is such a counter to Olivia Rodriguez,

who is a singer who is giving the message to her young, young audience that, yes, you should just do what's most convenient. You should do what's easiest. You should do what's, what feels good in the moment, and you should only do what you want to do no matter what, no sacrifices, no commitment, no difficulty by passing out the plan B at her concert as we talked about last week. Crazy, crazy stuff out there. Motherhood, I will just, I'll finish on this. Motherhood is an extremely, extremely high calling. It's a calling by God.

Of course, we know that. But also, I do want to emphasize this, that it's not just like inconvenience and dying to self and discomfort. it is also really fun. It's also really fun. And it's really joyful. And it makes you, I think, it makes you a better person. I'm not saying that people who don't have kids are not good people or that they can't be awesome and generous and joyful and all of that.

But it is so sanctifying. It is so incredibly sanctifying. It causes you to have self-control and control your emotions and to be more patient. It causes you to be more sympathetic and loving and compassionate. It causes you to be more creative. It helps you become a better leader, a better manager of people. It helps you understand and manage different personalities better. Gosh, I can't even count all of the ways that motherhood has sanctified me, has sanctified the women around me.

And also, it's just a good time. Like, it really is. Not every moment is like the most fun or the easiest, but motherhood is such a good time. And it is such a wonderful example of the gospel and you just have a whole different level of understanding of God's love for us when you have these little people who are walking around in front of you and you're like, oh my gosh, I would literally die for you a thousand times. It's crazy. It's crazy.

And the studies back up to that, um, parenting makes you happier in the long run. It makes you happier. It makes you more fulfilled, makes you more satisfied. It makes you more successful holistically. And so have kids. Have kids, as I've said many times if you are married, have kids if you can. That could mean fostering and adopting. That could mean having your own biological kids, but have children. Don't put it off for travel. Don't put it off for your career. Don't put it off for fear. Don't put it off for comfort or convenience. None of those are biblical reasons to put off having kids. Go ahead and have your kids. And I have gotten many a sonogram picture over the years from people who, after they've heard me

or someone on this podcast say that, say, okay, fine, we decided to have kids. And I just always praise God for those messages. Okay, speaking of having kids and speaking of adoption and the importance of caring for children, our next guest is to make. amazing. Leanne Jamison, we've had her on before. She is the director of pregnancy center in Texas, Prestonwood pregnancy center. You guys have donated many baby items and mom items to this pregnancy center in the past, and she'll talk a little bit about that. But she's here today to talk about some of the updates in the abortion landscape and what pregnancy centers need, what they're seeing, some of the new obstacles that they're facing, but also she is going to give us a lot of encouragement about how God is moving

through the obedience of his people by loving the most vulnerable. And then she'll also talk about adoption and this adoption conference that's coming up in Texas. And she will have a convicting message for all of us Christians as we consider how we can help the fatherless and help the orphan. Leanne, thanks so much for taking the time to join us again. I so appreciate it. I've already introduced you, and you've been on the show before talking about your work at the pregnancy center.

But give us, again, just a lay of the land. Now, we are almost two years post the Dobbs decision, post the overturning of row, praise God. Working on the front lines at a pregnancy center, what are you seeing? Yeah, it's. it's interesting because I mean we all celebrate Roe v. Wade being overturned and in states like Texas, the trigger law that went into effect making abortion illegal in the state. But I have said and I continue to stay, it may be illegal, but it is far from unattainable and certainly not yet unthinkable. And the unthinkable part is going to require spiritual revival in our our nation. And the unattainable part, that's really what we're seeing in the pregnancy center right now. We're seeing a lot an increase in chemical abortion and women accessing abortion online.

Abortion pills. The abortion pill. So they can order them online. They show up at their front door. They don't have to go to the doctor. They do not. And I mean, there's a website called Plan C is an example, that for no to very little cost, you can get those pills delivered to your home. And, you know, at the center, I mean, I had heard it was really simple. And we have a video coming out of us ordering the abortion pill online with little to no questions or screening and within two days that those pills arrive. And that's legal in the state of Texas? It's tricky. It's tricky. I think this is debatable. I think it's a very hard thing to manage. You know, that is a question probably for our politicians as to where that all fits in the trigger law and, you know,

male order medications. But at the center, Allie, what is most concerning to me is that we say, and certainly the other side, has really built the narrative around the fact of reproductive health and that we care for the women and that, you know, we're concerned for their well-being with the implication that pregnancy centers, pro-life centers do not. And when we have women coming into the center who are bleeding or are struggling to know what they took and what's happening, and they bring in medication with the instructions in a foreign language where they've had no foreign to them. Like that it's in English. I mean, we've had someone come in with Russian.

Oh. Yeah. So where there's no explanation. of the how the concerns what they should be looking for. That's not love. That's not care for women. That's not reproductive health. And we're seeing quite a bit of that.

They don't even have to get a sonogram to verify how far along they are. And you're supposed to take these pills within like the first six to eight weeks, I believe, maybe even up to 12 weeks, though I'm not sure about that. I'm pretty sure it's within the first 10 weeks at most. Yes, at the most. So, and, you know, some women, if they haven't had a sonogram, they don't know how far long they are. I mean, this could be women 16 weeks pregnant trying to take this pill.

Absolutely. And, I mean, we know that. We, statistically, I mean, we saw in 30, almost 32,000 client visits last year at our centers. Wow. And I can tell you that there is a large percentage of women that walk in our center that think they're a certain, you know, that they're at a certain point in their pregnancy when in fact they're much farther along. And so to rely on a woman saying, you know, I'm pretty sure that this is when my last, first day of last miss period is and I'm this far along, therefore

I should be able to take the abortion pill to not even have to talk to someone, but to be able to order this online and have it come to the privacy of your home, you know, it's, it's, it's disturbing. Yeah. So you're seeing a lot of these women after they've taken the pills, they show up at your center. Yes. So, yeah, I mean, we have seen, because so many of these women have gotten the medication, I hesitate, it's not medication. Let's call it the abortion. Let's call it the abortion. pills, through a way where they're not getting any support with a lot of fear and shame, they will show up at our center. Looking to know, like they're looking for to know, was this effective?

Am I still pregnant? Why am I bleeding? Why am I having some of these issues? To the point where right now one of our major projects this year is, is trying to figure out how we provide care to those women. Because Jesus is about restoration and redemption. And we know we can take care of her emotionally and spiritually. We have licensed professional counselors on staff and medical staff that, you know, can do that initial part.

But what we want to do is be able to really care for her physical needs along with her spiritual and her emotional. So. Right. Wow. So that's just kind of a new challenge that has unfolded in the last couple of years, probably something that was pretty unforeseen after the overturning of row. I think so. I think for a little while, probably most of the pregnancy centers in states with trigger laws in place or maybe very quickly put laws in place to eliminate abortion within their borders, I think would tell you that we saw a dip. We saw a different type of, we saw a different maybe emotional state to the client.

We did a lot of education in those early months. People did not truly understand what that meant and what it meant in their state and what was next for them. So we did a lot of education. It was a lot of just empowerment and assurance and looking at those reasons why maybe they were panicked about being pregnant. and we've always done this, but helped them problem solved through it. And then, you know, for a while, we saw a dip in the abortion rates. I think it was just maybe the other side getting some things put into place that we now see easily found online. And it has increased, I mean, they're now reporting an increase in abortion, particularly a chemical.

abortion, the abortion pills. And I kind of believe that's underreported because I don't believe that sites or foreign providers are reporting. I know they're not reporting the numbers that they're providing. And just remind us, besides this kind of post-abortive care, new kind of post-abortive care that you guys are offering, what does a pregnancy center like yours really do? Well, certainly that's our mission is to help those that find themselves in that unplanned pregnancy make a life-affirming decision. You know, from the moment that they believe that they might be pregnant, we're there. We're available. We do a lot of marketing to ensure that we position ourselves in a way that we're easily found so that she comes to us. We're a safe place. We're a safe place.

Alice, Alibeth. Like we, contrary to news reports out there, we provide love and truth and grace. We are there merely to help them problem solve. To rather than have them react to their situation, we want them to respond. Because reaction means that things like the abortion pill, that's what they're feeding off of, is this immediate panic. And, the fear and you know fear is a very uncomfortable emotion and it begs to be tended to and so we're just there to say okay let's take a breath and let's look at your situation not just the pregnancy but the reasons why you're finding yourself in a pregnancy center asking about abortion let's look at those reasons because here's the truth abortion doesn't take those reasons off the

That financial situation you're in, you're still going to be in that same financial situation, if not possibly worse. Or the relationship issues, you know, the fact that you're with a guy that you don't want to be the parent-father of this baby, then we need to talk about that. Those circumstances that are pushing them towards abortion. And then what we find when we really sit with her and we just love her first, because she's as much a life that has value and purpose that God sent his son to die on the cross for. Then when we go to talk about, okay, let's now talk about this pregnancy, she trusts us because she knows we're not the decision maker here.

She is, and we know we're not the heart changer. Jesus is, and we're just a conduit. And that means sometimes praise Jesus. we're seeing him work more often through us and we see success than not. But that means sometimes you're loving her as she walks out the door and telling her we know this isn't what's best for you, but we love you and we're here for you. And I think that's why sometimes when they're struggling even years after, We just this week had a woman called a center that was our client years ago that chose abortion.

And she's struggling right now in life with just a whole bunch of stuff. She's not pregnant right now. But she doesn't know where to turn. And who does she turn to but us? And she wants to come in and talk about Jesus. And that's pretty amazing. That is pretty amazing. I'm sure that Planned Parenthood don't get many calls.

They probably don't receive a whole lot of requests for counseling years after someone got an abortion. And even if they did, they wouldn't have any resources for them. I would say there's a difference between being transactional and transformational. And that requires Jesus. So, yeah, we're still doing sonograms and we're doing pregnancy tests and we are growing. All kinds of things for them.

Yes. the resource center, the resource center that's beautiful. Amazingly supportive of. In fact, actually, just to give you an update on that, because you and your listeners have been such an incredible support to our resource center. A couple of just amazing things. One was we, well, we kind of made a mistake, actually, Alibath. We put out just a general call of like, hey, we've got some toys,

you've gently used. And, you know, come in. will give you a $30 point credit at the resource center because everything's free there. And you can come pick a Christmas gift for your child. So it was supposed to start at 9 o'clock. We arrive at 8.30 because we'd already set up and we were ready. And the lineup was around the block. We were completely cleared out of everything.

The needs. the needs were so great, they were heartbroken. We were all assuming, okay, it's such an opportunity to get your little one a toy. But they were there because Christmas is hard and it's expensive. And they were needing diapers and wipes and formula and just basic items. And that's when we reached out to you and you responded. And I'm sure a lot of your listeners notice are. list was really just basic needs. And again, I love that when Amazon calls us to say,

okay, we've got two truckloads of items for you. Do you realize how much that is? And are you capable of receiving this? That blesses our clients. But I just want to thank you and your listeners because you bless the staff. It was. Oh, it makes me. cry. It was probably the greatest Christmas gift I received this year was getting to go over there and open boxes. And just, I mean, at one point, one of my staff walked in and I was holding shampoo, like shampoo, just thinking, Lord, you know, we needed, we need shampoo. We need, you know, we needed all this stuff. So thank you. This, the 27th of March, we had, we had, we had shampoo. We need, you know, we needed all this stuff. So thank you. This, um, the 27th of March, we had gotten a gift of used.

Um, I think they're called umbrella strollers, right? The really little, like easy to pack up one. Yeah. So we had a gift of some used ones and, uh, I think a hundred. And so we decided to do, yeah, they were, they were ones that were lost at the airport or let. And so the agency that recovers that stuff and resells it, they apparently they don't sell. So their loss are benefit. I'm so grateful for them being pro-life and Christian. They were able to give us a hundred of these umbrella strollers. So we're doing something called a stroll in the park.

And so we put out the notice that we have 100 spots. And I mean, within an hour or two, it was full. So that's going to be an exciting morning for us when we're going to make it fun and we're in a park and they're going to come pick up their strollers with their little ones. So thank you for your support on that. Well, my audience really is. I can brag on them. They're amazing and so generous. And all I ever have to do is post a link and say, here's the Amazon registry.

This pregnancy center needs help. And it's amazing. They just step up. That's all they need. They don't need nagging. They don't need a bunch of prompting from me. They are willing and ready to help. And, you know, there are a lot of bad things about technology and big companies like Amazon.

They don't always share our values. No. But what a redemptive way to use that service. It really makes it so easy. And so I just want to thank my audience for being as great and as generous as they are because they are always happy to step up. And they love to see the pictures of the Amazon boxes. I love when y'all send those to me. just the rooms and like rooms filled and I love the story too of a couple years ago didn't you tell me

that the Amazon driver who delivered all these packages because of my generous audience that you guys shared the gospel with him and he came to Christ in the parking lot I mean they still it is that's I mean there's just when the Lord and his people move the unforeseen touch And I mean, it is unbelievable to the drivers, what is happening. And we get to tell the story because, you know, they're trying to figure it out as they're unloading all of these good. So thank you. But yeah, we are, and you and your listeners, we're not pro birth. Yeah.

We are pro life. And that's just a tangible evidence. Yes. Yeah. All right. Last ad for the day. Blaze Originals. The third installment in the Blaze Original series is available right now, only to Blaze TV subscribers. And the series is Texas versus the feds, how the elites use

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She chose life. Y'all built her relationship with her. And she wanted someone to be with her at the birth. And there were, you showed up at the hospital. She had been sent home. But the hospital told you, hey, she needs a car seat. She didn't have a car seat. You showed up to give her her car seat at her apartment to make sure that she would have that to be able to bring her baby home.

when she really did go into labor. And you noticed that her apartment was pretty bare, that she didn't have any of the things that she needed. And then God's people showed up. Volunteers showed up. Friends showed up. They, I believe, stocked her fridge, furnished her apartment. And she saw the love of Christ.

She then gave her life to Christ and was baptized. She had a beautiful, healthy baby. And I love to tell. I love to tell that story. And I always, I always cry when I do because that is such a tangible example of what pro-lifers everywhere, not just y'all. That's not rare. That happens regularly among pro-life Christians in every city and every state across the

country. And we were talking before the camera started rolling just a few updates from her in that particular story, if you want to share that. Yeah, two updates. One was the second part of that story is, I think it's just a lesson for the church. And by the church, I mean believers. And really a call to action. When her daughter was, I guess, about a year and a half old,

it was time for baby dedication at the church that we took her to, Preston-Wa-Baptist Church. and the pastor that was doing that dedication that day knew her story. And I had really, you know, brought him into her life as well. And so she loved him, listened to sermons and, you know, really had connected with him. And so he called her and called me and said, do you think she'd be willing to have me during the dedication and share just a little of her story. And she said, absolutely, yes. And so my husband and I, we were her people. We love her dearly. And so she asked us to be her people on the front row, her family. And it was just such a moment,

just, oh gosh, God's grace to, you know, pregnancy centers could be a really hard place to sometimes be and work and be called to. But these are the moments. These are just, God's, you know, just you can feel his joy. And so it's her turn and she walks in with her little one. And my heart is just like beating. And the pastor has them turn on his mic. And he says to the church introduces her and says, I just want to let you know that she came to us through the Prestonwood pregnancy center and just how brave she is and the decision she made. And we are, he just looked at her and said, we are so proud of you. And I could, I was sitting in the front row, but I could feel it.

The whole congregation rose to their feet and started, I know her story, and started to clap. And I watched the shame fall off of her. in that moment and I thought to myself, if this was the way the church responded to every young person that finds themselves in a circumstance like a crisis pregnancy, an unplanned pregnancy, if we were the type of people that always celebrated the decision for life, I'm not saying that we have to celebrate how that situation came to be, but we can celebrate her and the brave decision that she made. That might help eliminate abortion in our nation.

But I just watched. So anyways, the other day I was, you know, we probably, I get to touch base with now. every maybe every few months, maybe every six months. And, but I hadn't seen her in, it was probably six or seven months. Her daughter is now in elementary school. And she's doing awesome. And yeah, she's creative and just beautiful.

And, you know, she came to my office about a year ago with her mama and just so smart. I feel like a grandma. Do I sound like a grandma? No. So, but the other day I had to go to the doctor's appointment. And so I valet my car. Don't judge me. I was running late.

And so I pull up and I didn't notice the valet driver. And I come out and it's the client. And she just yells and screams and runs over to me and she's hugging me and she's crying. Now, there are people that are busy downtown hospital lining up for their cars. And she's telling them their whole story. and she's crying and she's saying, you don't understand. I've got my daughter because of her. And I'm like, no, no, no.

No, it's not because of me. It's because of her and her brave choice. And people are crying. Like they're all just crying. And they're like, it's okay. Take your time. Yeah. She's doing so well.

My goodness. She's not easy. I'm not going to say this is easy. She's working valet to try to support her daughter in a way that, she can be at home as much as possible with her and that gives her flexibility, but it's certainly still tough. Yeah. My goodness.

You know, that reminds me when you're talking about the congregation standing out and clapping for her. It's just an earthly reflection of what the angels do when a sinner repents. That's what Jesus says, that the angels rejoice when a sinner repents. And that is such a beautiful earthly example. of that celebration. We celebrate the affirmation of life and choosing life that God puts before us. Oh, my goodness.

Yeah. So that's just a tiny snippet. That's a tiny snippet of what Christian pregnancy centers do across the country that God is doing through them. And it's so encouraging because if we were to get all of our news or our understanding of what's happening in the world from Twitter, from social media, from headlines, we would just think that everything is exclusively. that the world is going to hell in a hand basket. And as you've articulated, like, things are

hard. Evil still happens. Sin still persists. We still have Satan doing his work. All that is happening. But God is moving. Greater than he is in us than is in the world. Yes. And amen. Yeah. And I love that about pregnancy centers across our nation. I get to spend a lot of time with pregnancy center directors. I get to go help now across this nation and I get to see the incredible work, the incredible people that the Lord has called to do this work. And they're not there for the pay and they're not there for the accolades. In fact, so many centers in parts of this nation are actually under attack. It's getting and going to get harder to be a pregnancy center in America unless we see some changes in the federal government. They, they, current

administration does not love us and are not supportive of us and see us as, I think the word hate speech has been used and just don't get us. But when, I walk into a pregnancy center and I watch the love and the care, they're the ones that are problem solving the situation that are reaching out to other ministries and other non-profits that are going the distance, that are not giving up, that are not transactional. I think, thank you to the Lord that there are pregnancy centers across this nation doing such incredible, powerful work. And again, I challenge. your listeners to find that local center, to go ask for a tour, and to support them with their

time, their resources, and most certainly their prayer. Tell us about the Chosen Conference that's coming out. Well, talking about the church and the opportunity to be the church, I am on a steering committee for the Chosen Conference. It is really the first type of conference. like what I'm about to describe in our nation. The plan is that this will be offered in other churches around the nation, but what it is is it is a opportunity for the church to come together and to be equipped, to be enabled, to be empowered on the issues of adoption and foster care.

in our nation, Ali Beth, there are over, I believe the last statistic I saw was over 400,000 children in foster care. 117,000 are waiting for a permanent home. Three and every 1,000 children will end up in foster care in our nation. Wow. Just like the congregation that stood in that moment and provided such incredible healing, this is an opportunity for the church to do this again in a tangible way to stand up and to provide for these children an opportunity for them to feel seen and loved and cared for. Sometimes I'll even use the word redeemed.

And, I mean, it's an opportunity for us to bring the mission field into the four walls of our home. And so this is a conference that is going to engage. It's going to engage churches. There will be educational opportunities for churches from anywhere that wants to come to be able to learn about starting their own adoption and foster care ministries. it's going to be an opportunity for people to come. Whether or not you've ever thought of adopting or fostering, I would ask that you just pray, Lord, what do you want me to do? It's a pro-life issue. This is a pro-life issue.

And we don't care just about babies at the point of conception. We care for people right through until the Lord decides, is there time to go home or the end of their life? That's where we have to advocate. We have to stand. And so this is an opportunity for us as the church to come and to say, Lord, what do you want me to do in this arena? I know my husband and I right now are praying about that very issue for our own family. What does that look like? Yes, we're empty nesters. And I'm in the golden years of grandparenting the best. But But what is that look like?

How am I supposed to, am I supposed to foster? Am I supposed to support families that are fostering? What does that look like? So we will be there not only because I'm on the steering committee, but also to learn about what's next. And there will be things like a resource fair there where there will be adoption agencies and funders and lots of people from different areas of the pro-life world

that will be able to also help, equip those in attendance. So they can register at Prestonwood.org forward slash chosen. Okay. And the speakers at this are Sadie Robertson Huff and her mom, Corey Robertson, from Duck Dynasty fame. We've got the governor is coming to speak. We have Greg Mott from Houston coming up. We have, oh my gosh, there's just so many incredible and many, many breakouts sessions as well.

I'll be speaking on how you evaluate a good adoption agency. What does that look like? And so, yeah, God tells us, James 1, 27 says that our faith, it's purest when we are taking care of the fatherless and the widow in their greatest need. Yeah. And, you know, he tells us all through his word that he is a father to the fatherless and a defender of the weak. And you can find that in the Psalms.

And I think we reflect his character when we're willingly stepping out and trying to figure out, how do we fit in this? Yes. Yes. And amen. Well, I'm so excited for that. So everyone, you already said the. but we'll put it in the description on this episode too.

So people can click on it and if they're able to get there. Come. Yes. Come. It's, you know, $25, but it starts at $8.30 in the morning. It goes till 6.30 at night. We are not necessarily will you come for the whole day, but you might, you know, you might choose which workshops and which speakers that you want to hear.

There is information at that website as well. so they can look at the workshops and kind of plan out their time. I'm so proud of this. The goal is, like I said, for the church to step in. I think I told you over 400,000 children in foster care, children who need someone to love them. The government does a great job of removing kids from harm and providing kids. resources, but they don't do, and nor should they do the job of personal care and compassion and community and family.

And that's, we know this best. We're believers. Yes, and amen. Well, thank you so much, Leanne. I really appreciate you taking the time to come on. Oh, thanks for having me, Ellie Beth. And thanks to your listeners. They're, I mean, you're pretty lucky.

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