Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - REPLAY | Ex-Psychic on Demonic Possession & Taylor Swift | Guest: Jenn Nizza

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

Today, we’re joined by Jenn Nizza, a former psychic who turned away from the occult and is now sharing the truth of the gospel and the dangers of New Age beliefs. Jenn shares her story of becoming a psychic, learning to read tarot cards, and beginning a career giving “readings” to people. We discuss the deception of New Age beliefs and why people are so unaware of demonic influence. Jenn shares her testimony of calling out to Jesus in desperation and deciding to put her faith in him and turn away from her career as a psychic. She also shares what Christians should really think about yoga and why we should be discerning about the occult glorification in Hollywood and the music industry, especially when it comes to artists like Taylor Swift. Share the Arrows 2025 is on October 11 in Dallas, Texas! Go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sharethearrows.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for tickets now! Sponsored by ⁠⁠⁠Carly Jean Los Angeles⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Good Ranchers⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠EveryLife⁠⁠⁠. Buy Allie's new book, "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://a.co/d/4COtBxy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ --- Relevant Episodes: Ep 211 | The Dangers of the New Age | Guest: Doreen Virtue ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-211-the-dangers-of-the-new-age-guest-doreen-virtue/id1359249098?i=1000465143839⁠ Ep 666 | Confronting the Occult, Demonic Symbolism & Witchcraft | Guests: Jeremiah Roberts & Andrew Soncrant (Cultish) ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-666-confronting-the-occult-demonic-symbolism/id1359249098?i=1000577242915⁠  Ep 697 | Revealing the Real Origins of Halloween | Guests: Jeremiah Roberts & Andrew Soncrant (Cultish) ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-697-revealing-the-real-origins-of-halloween/id1359249098?i=1000583868843⁠  --- Buy Allie's book, You're Not Enough (& That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love: https://alliebethstuckey.com/book Relatable merchandise – use promo code 'ALLIE10' for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey

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That's fellowship homelones.com slash alley, term supply, see site for details, fellowship home loans, mortgage lending by the book, nationwide mortgage bankers, DBA Fellowship Home Loans, equal housing lender, NMLS, number 819382. Jen Niza is a former psychic. She thought she was communicating with the dead until she realized she was actually oppressed by demons. Today we are going to talk about her testimony. She's also going to tell us all of the surprising ways that we can see the new age and the demonic manifesting themselves today. Some of the things that she says, especially towards the end of our conversation, will be deemed controversial. But that's why they are so vitally important for us. to discuss. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to GoodRanchers.com. Use code Allie at checkout. That's good ranchers.com code Allie. Jen, thanks so much for joining me. If you could tell everyone who you are and what you do. Hi, Ali. Thank you so much for having me. Well, my name is Jen and I am a former psychic medium saved by the amazing grace of Jesus Christ

almost 11 years ago. And now I'm actually in full-time ministry. Believe it or not, I say that because technology is not my forte, Ali, but the Lord has made it my mission field. Wow. In 2020. That's amazing. Okay, you said that you were, you considered yourself a psychic and a medium,

and we were talking before the camera started rolling, that you were actually mentored by the same person as the Long Island medium. Her name is Teresa. She had a show on TLC. She still got a popular podcast today, doing readings. And so tell us about that. how you came up in that world. When I started getting dreams of somebody who I believed was a deceased person communicating

with me, and that's a long story. That's how the mediumship started. And the information actually was verified by an indirect source of this message from, again, somebody that I believed was a deceased spirit. Of course, now I know it's a familiar spirit, which is a demon, a fallen angel. when that happened, I went to the psychic medium that I used to go to, and she actually told me that day that I had a gift from God, that I too was a medium, and that sure enough was a deceased man getting in touch with me so that I could bring messages to his loved ones that are here. She handed me a business card that day of a woman who led a divination group, and that is the person that we were referring to. I was in the same circle as Teresa and some other well-known mediums.

I'm sad to say. However, we need to be praying for Teresa. Yeah. Yeah. And before you started having these dreams of someone that you thought was a deceased man communicating to you, did you have a lot of history with psychics? Like, had you been visiting psychics yourself before this? One million percent.

I actually had psychic attacks when I was. 12. This started at a very young age for me, Ali. I was exposed to the supernatural, not in a good way, at a young age, and at 13, I had my first tarot card reading. And I really believe that was where, that was when I started to seek it out. So yeah, from 13 all the way to that moment, which was in my young 20s, when the mediumship started, I was visiting tarot card readers, numerologists, astrologers, coffee grind readings, and I was doing them. So not only was I getting readings, but I was giving readings as well. I had my own tarot cards. I had the angel cards, the whole thing. And again, it's important to mention that when you practice divination,

you are communicating with demons. You are not communicating with dead people. You are not communicating with any sort of good entity. So these demons were multiplying in my life. with every reading, it actually breaks my heart, every reading that I did. And it's no surprise to me that it got to the point of getting the, when they started to visit me, to give me information to deceive. I was deceived and deceiving other people. You know, when we think of demonic possession, we typically think of like Emily Rose, someone who looks possessed, who looks very dark. Maybe they have scratches on themselves and they're unable to control themselves. They look demonic. But your life at the time, I'm sure you looked like a normal, you know, young woman.

And maybe you even thought that things were going well because of these psychic greetings that you were giving and receiving. But what did your life kind of look like growing up? Was it peaceful? Was it turbulent? That is such a, I am so glad that you brought that up because we know that Satan is the master illusionist. He makes something look one way. It's all smoke and mirrors. I was your girl next door, you would say.

shopping at the gap, doing my readings in mom's house and whatever. But parallel, or, yeah, parallel to doing these readings, I had moments of happiness in my life, but predominant anxiety, constantly being bothered by these entities. And I mean, I was seeing demons manifesting right before my eyes. They started touching me. I was hearing from them all the time. And, this is where people need to be so careful. Psychic mediums may say, well, I know how to turn it off and turn it on and tell spirit to step back and when to step forward. And that's just not true. They're around you all the time with their sinister agenda.

And I could just be in random places hearing from these familiar spirits and thinking I was helping people. But it became fearful at times too because they were around me so much. I became fearful. And what did your parents think about all of this? Did they know? Yes, they knew and they were very supportive. They saw my clients hugging me and I was crying with these people

because we really believed that I was hearing from their deceased spouses, moms, dads, and even children, Ellie. And I would be hugging. And I really wanted to help these people. That's important because I believed what the new age told me, that I had a gift and it was to help people. So mom and dad were actually pretty supportive and I actually read my own family, which honestly sounds so bizarre. But the

information in the readings were pieces of information that I never had known tracing back to relatives that I didn't even know that were deceased before I was even alive. So they saw that as confirmation that you have this special gift. Were you raised other than not with any other kind of religious belief? Did your parents believe anything religiously? I was raised culturally Catholic. Okay. So church was not an obligation, and it certainly wasn't something that we attended except for

maybe holidays, maybe not. The holidays were more about the family time and Santa Claus and the lights and things of that nature. My mom definitely seemed to love Jesus. She was raised. She went to Catholic school. But she seemed to love Jesus. And I remember questioning her when I was young and just saying, how do you know? How do you believe in Jesus and how do you seem so sure? And I knew that I didn't have that. I didn't have that. But I went through the motions with Catholic instruction. I went through the sacraments. To me, though, it was just going through the motions. I had no idea what it meant. I didn't know what confirmation meant. I just did it. Right. There's a big crossover in particular in Latin America with the mysticism that you're talking about and Catholicism. Was there ever a point where you thought, okay, this is, it's fine because it's really no different than talking to a saint or talking to Mary. Is that part of how this evolved in your life or not really? Not really that way. But I know what you mean. And I'm kind of thinking even of Santa Maria, which I didn't know about at the time, which, mixes Catholicism, those candles, and I'm thinking about all the candles. I did have the candles. I had the candles of Jesus and Mary. Honestly, Ali, it was, the New Age steals from every religion.

Yeah. So it's a mishmash. For me, it was really just a mishmash. I could have a candle of Jesus, but have no faith in the real Jesus. I knew the New Age Jesus, the false Jesus. You could basically do whatever you wanted, and I had no authority. And I could decide, who these spirits were and even have the desire to control that without in a not in a cocky sense but in that divination group that I was in I was taught actually to say the Lord's prayer as a prayer of protection right before practicing divination wow it's insane to me now yes so in your early 20s you said that you started to get this visitation by someone that you thought was a deceased man. And did you recognize this man in your dreams? This is very interesting. I did not at all recognize

this man. As a matter of fact, he was indirectly connected. I mean, of course, again, it's a demon. But in your mind then? In my mind, he was indirectly connected to an ex of mine, my daughter's father, which was very clever of Satan because her dad and I were not together anymore, but he would visit, and he was going out with somebody who I had never met, and I knew from the dream that this person was connected to the person that he was with, so indirect enough that I wouldn't question myself. Is that something I could have known? Could he have mentioned this in the past? But direct enough to get the message, I know I talk with my hands a lot. That's fine. That's fine. But direct enough to get this

message to someone to get a validation to further pursue the mediumship. Okay. Isn't that? Yes. Wow. And he was in awe. He was, when I said to him, I said, listen, I said, I had this dream and I think it may be connected to your girlfriend.

And I explained the dream, what this boy looked like, how he died, the whole thing. And he said, okay, I'll have to ask her. So he didn't even know at the time. He went back and he asked her and he came back a week later to visit our daughter. And he said, I have to talk to you. And he said, that is so-and-so's brother. And that is exactly. So he said to me, so then what's his name?

And I said, Michael, those demons just downloaded the information in a second. And he said, yeah. And we were both shook. Yes. We were both shook. Tell me about how, because this is something I don't know a lot about. how and why a demon would manifest themselves in a way that would make someone feel like they're a psychic or they're a medium. What is the purpose and the mechanism of that? Because that's, I mean,

that's just kind of mind-blowing to me. Absolutely. So we know that a third of the heavenly host fell with Satan. So there are angels that have fallen angels. So those are demons. And they're all over the place and they've been here for ages, Ali. And so they study people. I always say, I'm a human being and I can make a prediction and I can make a prediction with a very high accuracy. So we're people. Imagine those demons that have been around for ages and have influenced. We know it's a spiritual battle. Ephesion 612 tells us that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, the authorities, the cosmic powers and the darkness in the heavenly places. So they also had the ability to influence people to even do things to accomplish their sinister agenda.

Why would they want to provide information to people like me, to people like Teresa, believing that we're helping people, believing that these are deceased people to trick people to get them away from Jesus Christ, to get them away from the Lord, to live in disobedience because God says, really throughout his entire word, but if we're going to be able to. look at Deuteronomy 18 I like to go 9 to 13 but in 10 to 12 Deuteronomy 18 10 to 12 God gives us a group of these practices that we are not to do do not practice or consult medium spiritists do not interpret omens necromancy which is trying to talk to the dead conjuring up the dead which we see unfortunately

a lot even today and telling fortunes fortune telling it's the same thing it's still going on, but the enemy wants to fool you, and he's going to come at an opportune time. Grief, in my opinion, is arguably the most difficult emotion that we can deal with as human beings. So when you're grieving, you've lost somebody. You are so desperate to have them back. You don't want to let them go. So now here comes so-and-so, maybe Jen at the radiology place, coming in for an ultrasound and the technician just lost her brother. This actually happened in a boating accident and then I'm laying there and saying, hey, I'm a medium. Is it okay to share this message I have for you? Oh yes. Because it's so intriguing, Allie. The supernatural is so intriguing.

Yes, of course. Right. And here it is. And then you get this information. So now this person is going to continue to go to the medium, continue to do more psychic readings, maybe even then go get their own tarot cards, their own crystals, meditation, all of the new age things, and get further and further away from God. That's Satan's agenda since the beginning. Genesis 3. Yes. Yes. Did God really say? Yeah. You said some words and phrases that I hadn't heard before, that you said that you kind of messed around when you were a teenager with something called like a coffee, coffee grind readings and some other things that you played around with. Then what is that? Yeah.

So those are tools of divination. Astrology is when people, again, it's so idolatrous. When people are going to the planets, the stars, and the moon, believing that where they are, maybe at the time when you're born. And this is so sad, Ali, if it's okay to say this, I'm seeing this more and more now being pushed out even on television shows like Fox and Friends. They had an astrologer on it. Really? Yeah. I'm sorry, I'm going to call it out.

Oh, that's okay. Jesse Waters had a tarot card reader and a witch on it. So it's heartbreaking. Yeah. And anyway, astrology is a tool of divination. So you're going to a created thing, believing that it has some sort of insight, wisdom, or knowledge about your life and knowledge about your future. instead of going to God. And he said this was going to happen over and over again.

You know, have no gods before me, he says in Exodus 20 and 3. And then in Romans 1, we see that people are suppressing the truth for the lies and they're trading in the truth of God for creation. They're worshiping creation. So numerology is very similar. It's taking numbers and looking to extract hidden information from the numbers about your life, about your personality. So again, it could be, hey, I'm in a number three year.

That means, you know, instability to one new ageer, but to another one, it could have a completely different meaning because after all, it's all subjective. It's not the word of God. It's not truth. It's not godly. He warns us not to do these things. And yes, the coffee grinds, delicious Turkish coffee to drink and then leave.

But after you drink the coffee, they would actually move the cup around. very ritualistic by the way move the cup around and whatever image or symbol the coffee grinds would make would indicate something about your future yeah you know I'm remembering the magic eight ball when I was little and I remember also like the power beads that you know we would wear that different colors were indicative of different kind of powers that you were supposed to get even like a mood ring. That's a kind of a way of reading. But I'm thinking of things that maybe we don't consider divination today, which aren't, but they do seem to kind of mimic what people are

seeking through mediums. And I'm even talking about like different personality tests. I'm talking about different like essential oils. I'm not saying the oils themselves are bad, but there are certain companies that will give you like a forgiveness blend or a blend that is, is supposed to give you not even just like physical energy, but is supposed to give you spiritual energy and things like that. And so it seems like what you're talking about is really this desire of people to one be known. People really want to be known and not just in the general sense, but a special sense. Like tell me the particular deep things about me that no one else would know. And then as you said about Genesis 3, people really want, or,

or they think they want the power of knowing how the universe works, their place in it. They think that they can unleash and manifest that power in their own life with the law of attraction and even speaking things into being. We see that in certain denominations of so-called Christianity, name it, and claim it. I mean, there are a lot of different ways that this shows up even outside of just your standard like tarot card reading. Right. It's a desire to control your outcomes, your reality, and to control other people's realities, too, like manifesting. You brought that up, law of attraction. I speak a lot about the law of attraction.

You are thinking that the universe, again, going to a created thing, can assist you in attaining the desires of your heart. Where or when did you think your heart should make a decision for your life? You know, we tend to go there. We have these popular sayings. We were talking about it a couple of moments ago. Following your heart. We have these deceptive, worldly sayings that we think we should be in control. And we can make ourselves happy.

And it's all about being happy and following our heart. But our hearts are deceptive, the Lord says. No one can know them. They're sick and wicked. Our hearts are filled with sin and the desire to do that. We should not be doing that. But manifesting is you have these desires of your heart. And then you're putting your faith and trust in the universe, energy,

and then you have to be positive, you have to believe it, you have to visualize it. And unfortunately, like you said, Ali, we're seeing that come into the church in a very, very big way. There are many Christians that make vision boards, and they're going back to Habakkuk 2, 2 to 3, claiming that this is a reason, write the vision on the tablet. Oh, a vision board is a tool of assistance in manifesting. So I did it. I made my list, my manifesting list, and then I made my board.

I used to teach it too, actually. And on the board, which was Oak Tag, take the pictures. Which was what? That would line up. Oh, Oak Tag. Oh, what's that? Oh, Oak Tag is kind of like a big, oh, poster board. Oh, okay.

Okay, got it. I didn't know if this was a new age term that I hadn't heard of before. Okay, got it. So it's a poster board, right? And then you could take pictures, you could write words on. there of the things that you want, the perfect job, let's say, and you want it to be in Texas. So you put the state of Texas. You put where it's going to be, what street? I mean so specific. And you put all these things on this board. And every day, you're going to look at that board and

you're going to believe it. It's already happened. It's even though it hasn't. It's happening. It's going to happen. And you have to stay so positive about it. So what happens then if something, quote unquote negative happens in your life. Everything's wiped out because you're depending upon yourself. You're depending upon this poster board. You're depending upon the universe and you're never depending upon God because it's unrealistic to believe that you can be positive all the time. Yeah. And obviously that's different than just saying, you know, I have these goals and I'm releasing them like God's will be done. This is something that I want. Not my will, though. like God's will be done.

That's one thing. But I have heard Christians say things like, and you can tell me what you think about this. Like I already have the healing that I'm praying for. I already have the success that I'm praying for. I just have to claim it in faith in Christ. It's already mine. They kind of consider that something that was guaranteed by Jesus' death and resurrection,

that basically the effects of the curse, they should be gone. And through faith, we can activate. whatever it is, you know, that freezes from that curse. And so if they have cancer, they might say, I claim my healing that I already have. If they want a promotion, I claim the success that I already have in faith. Tell me what you think about that. It's so upsetting.

And that's just a twisting of scripture. I mean, they'll go back to Isaiah and say, by his wounds, we are healed. Okay, so we're healed. That's a twisting of that scripture. To say, because Jesus died on the cross for us, then we no longer should have the cancer. we're just bound to be healed in Christ. He never says that. Cancer or no cancer, God can use us, and he wants to use us.

It's convenient to forget that we are also in fallen bodies. We are going to die. But our soul will go on in eternity with Lord Jesus, and that's where our eyes should be fixed, not in trying to secure, like you said, Allie, your will be done, not mine. How is it good enough for Lord Jesus, but not for us? in the Garden of Gassimini for him to say he knew what was going to happen.

You want to talk about anguish and suffering and pain, and he did it willingly for us. And I pray that people would know that scripture, especially because he said, Lord, but your will, if this cup can pass me by, but your will be done, Father. Jesus sometimes didn't even have a place to lay his head. So where are you telling me that he's just, we're just meant to be wealthy?

we're just meant to have it all be you know that's the prosperity gospel that's not the real gospel and if you don't know the real gospel then you can't truly be saved you can't and people need to know that that we are sinners and that Jesus Christ alone is 100% man and 100% God and he did step out of his kingdom of heaven into humanity and he was the only one who could atone for our sins because he committed none we've all been been born into sin. And so there's nothing that we can do on our own to be in heaven with Lord Jesus. But if we put our faith and trust in him and not the stars and not the universe and not name and and claim it, then the Bible says that we will be saved when we confess with our mouth and

believe in our heart that he died for us, that he was buried and raised the third day. Hallelujah, that's everything. It's all that we need. But you look at the flesh, that desire for more, the desire for supernatural experiences plus the Bible? This is a problem with the sufficiency of Scripture. People are not believing in the sufficiency of Scripture. They want more. Believers even want more. They want the vision.

They want a supernatural appearance. They want to see miracles around the world. They want all these things. They want to see somebody bust out in tongues. You know, we don't need anything more. than the scripture. It is sufficient for us. And God can't choose to work miracles. Amen. He can't choose to heal. He can do lots of miraculous things that the rational mind can't understand. But saying that in order for you to believe or to have faith or for God to prove himself powerful,

XYZ has to happen, that means that you don't think that the gospel in itself is miraculous. Like that's not enough. I mean, what you just articulated so perfectly, the gospel, God made flesh. Like that is the miracle. That is the anchor of our faith. And God can choose to work more however he wants to. But that can't be where our expectations or faith is derived from. Let's back up and hear your testimony of how you came to know that saving gospel.

But you're in your early 20s. You're getting groomed and mentored to become a medium yourself, which you said you had already practicing it. But I guess my question first is how did that really change in your early 20s after you started getting visited by the demon that you thought was a man connected to your ex's girlfriend? Well, I was doing psychic reading. So there is a bit of a difference between a psychic and a psychic medium. So psychics won't necessarily claim to be communicating with deceased people in order to give messages to their loved ones. They'll be doing more fortunate telling, I would call it, you know, future predictions.

When I became a medium, that was specific to mediumship reading. So people that lost somebody in their life and they wanted to connect with them. So that was the shift there for me. I still would include psychic information, future predictions, so on and so forth. And then I actually began teaching. I began leading my own divination group. and I absolutely loved it. I absolutely loved it.

And it's amazing. It's an amazing part of my testimony looking at what God has done because I can never go back and say that I was a psychic who wanted to try on a new worldview. I wasn't a psychic who wanted to try on Christianity, who wanted to check other things out. No, I was perfectly content doing what I was doing

until the age of 36, I was still content. But at the end of my 36th year, I actually came to a moment alley of near destruction, a second of near destruction. And I cried out on the name of Jesus Christ, which was as shocking to me as it is still to this day saying it because why didn't I call out to my spirit guide or a deceased person? I cried on the name of Jesus Christ. I explain it this way. demonic oppression is a very real thing. It's a very real thing. You mentioned possession earlier. There's possession and there's oppression. I probably was very close to being possessed. I think of oppression this way. Imagine if somebody, if you go under the water and you have

somebody with their foot on your head trying to keep you down there and they're all around you. And that was the moment that I came to. So that was a cry for help, but not one that I contemplated, not one that I wrestled with, just cried out on the name of Jesus Christ and I know that was God. And what had happened? What was the moment of destruction?

It was that heaviness. It was that fear. So it was an internal thing. It wasn't something externally that happened to you. Correct. You just felt the oppression like you were drowning and you felt this urge to call out to Christ. Wow.

So you said you didn't contemplate that. What happened from there? Well, that left me spiritually vulnerable, to be quite honest with you, because I hadn't heard the gospel, which I just presented a couple of moments ago. I didn't know I was a sinner that needed to be saved. I didn't know that Jesus went to the cross for me and that he died and was buried. I didn't know any of that. I just knew that something had happened and I knew that it was peaceful. And I also knew I didn't want to be a, this happened the next day. I didn't want to be a psychic anymore and I did not. No, why. I had no idea. I had no idea why. So now, of course, looking back and see how God was moving. Yes. However, the enemy did not want to lose his grip on me. That is abundantly clear to me. I was deceived again by false teaching, books that I started reading that were heretical and leading me once again down the wrong road away from Christ. I did stop doing the readings for a while, but then I did go back to them.

Yet, I changed my introduction. I would always give an introduction before the reading so that the client would know, don't say anything. I'm going to be doing the speaking and just affirm if you understand something. And instead I changed it to, listen, I'm not God. Wait, what? Where did this come from?

Yeah, so the whole thing had changed. My introduction had changed. And praise God, Jesus wasn't going to let me go too far back. down that road. It wasn't long after that that I had gone back to the readings that I ended up having a dinner date with a friend that I met in the divination group that I spoke about. So we had become very close and we hadn't seen each other in a while. Little did I know she had become saved from the last time that I had seen her to this time. And she came over for dinner and she started talking to me about Jesus. And she invited me to the church that she had started attending

Ali, I said no. Wow. I declined that invitation. Were you offended at all? No. Was there anything angry in you or you just were disinterested? I would say I pulled what a lot of people say to me, good for you. You do you. I'm happy for you. Whatever makes you happy, whatever road brings you joy and left it at that. And a month later, I woke up that Sunday. And that same, that same, same prompting. I want to go to church. I want to go to that church today, but I don't know why. Just like when I wanted to stop doing the readings, but I didn't know why. The same prompting, prompting, that small voice just telling you, leading you, led me to that church. And it was that day, Ellie, that I heard the gospel. And I was singing this song with the congregation. I was so overwhelmed

by this church. I was used to only Mass in the past, Catholic Mass. And you were in Long Island. Yes. And so I don't know how many solid churches are in Long Island, but I'm sure, like you said, that was a little bit of a shock to you. Yeah, that was shocking. The whole scene was shocking to me. Why do people have their hands up in the air? They're singing songs and what are they doing? Yes. And I just started singing with them. And that lyric when it came to Jesus saved me, I sang it. And I flashed back to that moment when I cried out to him months prior. And I knew it was him, Ali. I knew that he was the one who showed up that day and set me free. I was a captive and he set me free.

Wow. Do it every time. And I started crying that day in that church of tears of joy, tears of freedom. And when I left the church, 15-minute ride home, no contemplation, I got home and I Google searched. What does the Bible say about psychic mediums? I was so convicted. It just makes so much sense, though, that the Lord, his agenda for my life would be to get me away from that. Yeah.

Because I knew that day that I was going to follow Christ. Wow. I knew it. And I quit my job that day, almost 11 years ago. And at that point, that was how you were living. That's how you were making your money. And so that's a huge leap of faith in itself, in addition to just believing in Christ. So what did that look like?

Yeah, that was huge. I'm glad you brought that up because I would love to encourage people out there today that if you're on that cusp or you're thinking about leaving the new age behind, don't be afraid. God is a good God. He is our provider and he will always give what we need. Of course, I was on top of the world in that moment. And then, you know, a week later, it's like, wait a minute, that was my job.

What's going to happen now? So a little bit of that concern. and I just entrusted it to the Lord and had a roof over my head and food in my stomach and the Lord provided then and now. Wow. And now you're in full-time ministry. Amen. And you focus on helping people leave the New Age and also just Christians understanding the

lies of the New Age, right? Yes, absolutely. Because the enemy is at large and is current and active. And in the times that we live in, Allie, we see the same. psychics on TV, like you mentioned, of course, Teresa, which again, we're praying for these psychics, we're praying for the mediums, but we're seeing the tension in the world. We're seeing tension, even in the microcosm of our life, personally speaking, what's going on in your life, what's going on with your kids, and people will get tempted in their vulnerability

and their weakness for answers, for control, for certainty about the future, here and eternally. and the enemy will make it look very alluring, very attractive, and using social media to do so. And my concern especially is for the children because he is targeting the children via crystals manifesting Instagram, TikTok. You could have a reading out, Alie, Sage Burning. Witch talk. Witch talk is huge. Meditating in schools. The smudging is in schools too.

What's smudging? Is the sage burning, so believing that you could clean out your space. And that's all seen as neutral. It's all seen as like helping a child build their social, emotional learning capacity, helping them build their empathy. That's a big word that's kind of used. And the difference between meditating, you know, biblically and meditating in the new age is that biblically you're meditating on truth, on the word of God.

You're dwelling on what scripture says. But, and correct me if I'm worried. wrong, but in the new age meditation, you're emptying, right? You're empty in your mind, which really can just make you vulnerable to demonic attacks, right? 100%. That's exactly what it does. Those entities, you are inviting them in. Trust me, when a part of you is quiet, when a part of you is empty. I used to practice that before my readings. It was a part of my ritual in order to channel more effectively. Right. When we think of the new age and everything that you've just described. I think a lot of people think of it as more these

progressive, hippie, feminist, witchy women, but we don't think of it in the context of what are typically called prophecies today. But we see that a lot. I would say on the more, I don't know if we're just talking politics, like conservative into the spectrum, it seems like since Trump came to office, there's a lot of people who claim to have special knowledge of the United States and of Trump. And I see a lot of, and during COVID too, like you mentioned, when people are in these emotionally vulnerable times, in turbulent times, they're turning to not just mediums, but these people who say that they're a prophet from God. But so far, all these prophecies that I've seen, all these prophets, they're never 100% right, or they'll get one prophecy right and one completely

wrong, or the prophecy will be half right. And you have people who call themselves Christians really eating this up and saying, no, that's true. That person is a messenger from God. They're telling us what we need to know about Trump or the future or America. How do we discern the difference between the true prophecy and then what is really a kind of, you know, psychic reading that is using the facade of prophecy to try to make it seem Christian? It's great that you brought it up because of course we know that the enemy is a counterfeit. So psychic communication is already the counterfeit of prophecy, which is declaring God's word. You hit the nail on the head. If someone is claiming to be a prophet and they get any part of it wrong or they get any of their other prophecies

incorrect, they are clearly a false prophet. They are not hearing from God. And God is extremely clear about this in His Word. When you hear from God, do you think God needs help? Do you think that God will confuse a situation? If he's going to speak to you, you're going to hear it clearly and authoritatively, and you'll speak it, and it will be true 100% of the time and come to pass. We are told to test the spirits in 1st, John 4.1. The Lord has put this in place, testing the spirits, of course, because there would be demons providing information. So we need to test everything by the word of God. And I think that goes back again, Ali, why are we not just trusting in the Lord? Why are we looking for these prophets? Why are we looking for this

extra information and then it turns people away again from our victory in Christ, our comfort in Christ, knowing that we know the one who knows all things. Yes, it can be anxiety provoking, looking at what's happening in our country, looking at the way the enemy has a grip on so many people, but in Christ we have what is all that we need. We have heaven that awaits us. And the Lord encourages us to keep our eyes on things of above and to remember that our citizenship is not here. All of this is going to pass away, but our citizenship is in heaven. This is just a stop, a layover?

This is a layover. And our home is in heaven. But why, again, are we not trusting in the Lord? We don't need to go to man. And I'm not saying that the Lord couldn't raise up a prophet. He can do whatever he wants to do. but when you start putting your faith and hope and peace in people calling themselves prophets and you're just letting it go, you are getting into a very dangerous place of psychic communication.

And you can be a Christian and certainly attacked or oppressed by the evil one. So you can be a Christian and get a psychic attack and then you're just going to claim it's a prophecy. Yeah. So why would I want to go listen to you when I know that that could happen? Yeah. That the enemy could even trick the elect. Mm-hmm. And as you said, Satan always uses a little bit of truth.

When you thought that you were meeting that young man through your dream and that person was real, that young person named Michael was real, you knew how he had died and all of that. Some people think, well, if this thing is true, it must be a special gift from the Lord. or it must be a special gift from the other side. But, you know, when Satan was tempting Jesus in the wilderness, he used scripture. He used Bible verses to tempt Jesus. And kind of the same temptation that he tempted Eve with that he tempts us with today, he tempted Jesus with escape from pain, escape from suffering authority, as if Satan has the authority to give Jesus authority.

But that's, you know, you can have everything. And you can escape all of the trouble ahead of you. That's basically what we are seeking through psychic readings. We are seeking comfort. We are seeking understanding, solace, supernatural knowledge. But scripture tells us that we have one mediator between God and man, and that is Jesus. And that's beautiful because we read in John 1, that Jesus was full of grace and truth, full of grace and truth. And we read in 1 John 4.8 that God is love.

Isn't that beautiful? That when you have that closed connection, it's... It's a closed connection. God, Jesus, man, you can trust that every single stop in that connection is fully true, fully loving, fully gracious, fully light, and is not, you know, it's not Satan disguising himself as an angel of light, which really reminds me of that phrase that we hear a lot in New Age circles, love and light, love and light, love and light. Well, isn't that just, you know, them trying to be God, who is love, who is light? What is the world? What is? What is meant like when we hear that in New Age circles love and light it's it goes back to energy it goes

back to positivity i'm just going to send you some love i'm just going to send you some light and i'm just you know positive and all that type of and it's it's just the false you described it perfectly is the false love and the false light the true love would be sharing the gospel with somebody pointing people to christ and not to uh enable their sin or support their sin, you know, love is love. You know, the world is plagued by the slogans of the evil one. That's what that is, love and light. That's what I call it.

It's a slogan of the devil. That's what it is. Yes, wow. We got to close out soon. So I'm going to end on a controversial question. Yoga. Is it fine for Christians to say, do yoga positions? Maybe they're doing it to worship music.

and they're not thinking about yoking themselves to a Hindu god. Is that fine, or is it still opening yourself up to the demonic? I'm going to say this with all the love in my heart so that people would not be let astray. No, you cannot do yoga. Don't do yoga. I mean, you could do whatever you want, but I would encourage you to stay away from yoga because those postures are deliberately worshipping Hindu deities. false gods it's idolatrous it's it's it's horrible it's demonic and you cannot throw some

praise music on and make it something that it isn't you cannot do that that would be i love how dorian says that would be like putting a scripture verse on a Ouija board you can't do that you're not tricking anybody it's still the postures you're still doing them they are worshiping and honoring Hindu deities It is, I really would encourage people to stay away from it. It's not just stretching and breathing. Remember, that's the illusion. There has to be something that the devil makes it look like something that it's not so that you would get involved with it,

bringing demonic oppression into your life, leading you into disobedience to God, because even if you don't know, you're still doing it. And that's dangerous for you spiritually. Yes. And I just think about parents too. you mentioned like all the things that are targeting children. Satan has always had it out for children. They're so physically and mentally vulnerable.

And I think about all these things that are seen as innocent even for kids at school. Things like yoga, things like emptying your mind through meditation, energy, vibrations, witch talk. And even the movies and the shows and the books, like I think about the books that I read as a teenager. And my parents didn't really know. I think they were happy that I was reading. and I did read a lot, but I read a lot of Twilight. I read a lot of witchcraft books, a lot of supernatural books.

And I'm not saying all fantasy and fiction is bad. C.S. Lewis has its own fantasy. Lord of the Rings has its own fantasy. But I do think, I mean, I just remember being so feeling emotionally oppressed when I was reading something like Twilight. I actually, and this is too much of a conversation for us to get too far into, but I'm just thinking about all the different ways that this can show up, especially for kids.

Like I remember reading the second Twilight book as soon as it came out. That's how old I am. And I was literally depressed, depressed for like days and days. And I just, and some of that's just emotional, hormonal. But I just think about the power that those kind of supernatural, dark witchcraft stories have over impressionable teen girls. And I really think it can have a foothold in their lives spiritually. and who knows could lead them down a path like toward mediums and things like that but it certainly

is inhibiting a close relationship with Christ don't you think absolutely 100% and I'm thinking while you're talking also of the music industry I don't I know that would be another long conversation Swift Taylor what do you think about that let's just in on something super controversial let's go I know you like the controversial stuff alley well people want to know this kind of stuff it's only controversial because these things are popular and what is popular has to be spoken into. So go for it. I'm happy to actually speak about it. I'm very passionate on this topic. And of course, we're seeing it not only with Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Madonna is such a repeat offender, Lady Gaga. But Taylor Swift presents as this Christian-looking, innocent girl years ago. And then you see the darkness boldly, blatantly, when people are already swifties.

They're already hooked. This is not, this is, this is, it's the word I want to use. This is, um, oh, Ali, I'm thinking of how this is mapped out. This is planned out. This is not a surprise. Strategic. Strategic. Strategic.

Okay. Strategic. I believe on behalf of the enemy to rope people in and then it's like, now I'm going to hit you with my agendas because you are already a cult follower, C-U-L-T. and her music boldly promotes new age ideologies and concepts. Karma, the invisible string theory. I don't even know what that is. Oh, okay.

So the idea is that there's an invisible string. You already had me at that part, right? So there's an invisible string wrapped around your thumb, your pinky, whatever. And there's one wrapped around somebody else's thumb or pinky that you've cross paths with at some point in your life. And because of that, okay, you are really met, maybe that's your, here we go, shift into another new age, because that's how the new age works. One equals another one equals another. Twin flame, soulmate. That must be your soulmate or your twin flame. It doesn't matter if you're married. That's okay. You don't want to let this

chance pass you by. You want to go for this invisible string. We crossed paths. We met at the grocery store seven years ago and again at the 7-Eleven. Wow, this must be, I mean, I'm really kind of understating it, but the idea is that once again that you have this energetic, soul-made twin flame, which are all lies and doctrines of demons. And she pushes these all out in her music. And then what happens? Then you have it go viral on TikTok. and you have people making these videos. They had a whole Twin Flame documentary on Netflix. It was difficult.

I couldn't really get through it. It was so difficult to watch. It was sad and sickening. But back to Taylor, who really is a serial dater and then is telling us about these relationships and dropping demonic symbols. I'm sorry, I'm going to say it at the Super Bowl with, well, I shouldn't say that she did it. I'm sorry if we take it.

Her friend did it. Forgive me. Yeah. However, we are seeing her. doing witchcraft on the stage and people have a way of justifying it, making excuses for it. That's just choreography. Just like we're seeing at the Olympics, what they did at the Olympics, the opening. I know that's another.

We go from one controversial thing to the next, but. Yeah. But the point is that we're seeing it in pop culture. Yes. And it is always presented, it seems like, is something that is beautiful and innocuous. And she is, you know, Taylor Swift is beautiful. She is beautiful. And she has a lot of really good songs.

A lot of very catchy songs. And her brand, I think, is very palatable for the mainstream because she's this bright, cheery, blonde woman who used to be a country star. But you're right. There's certainly a god of self-worship there, not just in her music. And really a lot of pop music today. But I hadn't thought about or heard about this twin flame thing and the invisible string. So that's really interesting.

So the point is, be on the lookout. Don't be paranoid. It's not like, because I do think that there's a tendency sometimes for people to try to look for symbols in everything. And that can almost make you, it can almost drive you crazy. And it can also prohibit you from seeing, okay, well, how is Satan tempting you in your own life? Like, where's the sin in your own life?

Because we can kind of only be looking for the symbols out there and not looking for the more subtle ways that Satan is tempting us, working in our life. oppressing us with different fears. And so there is a balance there, wouldn't you say? Absolutely. 100%. I am thinking of the children again and how these people become, they become role models. And then if a Christian is so involved with, let's say, I'm just going to, again, just for the sake of the example of Taylor Swift, let's say, because I happen to know some Christian ladies that are calling themselves swifties, letting their young girls listen. And when she promotes, I hate to believe her the point, well, when she, when she promotes anti-Christian,

I mean, bold. Again, I'm with you, Ali. I think that you, you can listen to, I'm, I listen to secular music, you know, I, I do from time to time, but I would be very discerning and very careful when you have, I mean, they need to calm down was all about Christians and the video having sexual immorality in it feeding this false Jesus communion. And it's just very, sad and painting Christians as hillbillies that don't know how to spell, I think that you have to, I think when it's so in your face, I would steer clear of that. But yes, I agree with you. Of course we should be looking in the mirror. We should be coming to Christ every day, repenting for our sins. We should be confessing and asking the Lord to show us the parts of our hearts that need

to grow, that need to be corrected. Yes, and amen. Where can people find you to follow you, more about your ministry and just hear more from you if they want to. Yeah, my website would be the best place to go, www. www.ciccic-saved.com. That's a me. Ex-psychicaved. Yes. Yeah. My new book is going to be coming out soon soon. Yeah, win. I'm excited within the next couple of months. I just finally got a title for it. Okay. Awesome. Okay. So people can be on the lookout for that. They can check your website for that. That's wonderful. That's going to bless so many people. Thank you so much, Jen. thanks for having the courage to share your testimony and praise God for everything that you're talking about. I really appreciate you. Thank you, Allie. I appreciate you too. God bless you.