Reply All - #48 I Love You, I Loathe You

Episode Date: December 7, 2015

On this week's episode, a new Yes Yes No, and we revisit our "Undo, Undo, Undo" segment to find out listeners most cringeworthy accidental messages. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

From Gimlet, this is a reply all. I'm PJ Vote. And I'm Alex Goldman. Welcome once again to yes, yes, no, the segment where Alex Bloomberg asks us questions about things he finds on the internet that he doesn't understand. And we answer them regardless of how important or valuable they might be to his life. That's very nice. The intro gets better and better, Goldman. So what have you got for us this week?

All right, so I am bringing you a tweet. And this is a tweet from a guy named Rurik Brubman. Bradbury at Rurik Bradbury. And the tweet starts, like a lot of tweet starts, something, you know, it's a link. And it says, if you know the backstory and then parentheses see at Dave Weigel, Washington Post.com, slash news slash worldview, and parentheses. This is the perfect, all caps, microcosm of the internet. And then there's a, what is that called?

A screenshot of another tweet. And the screenshot of tweet is from a Twitter account called Classic Picks. at history picks and then it says I-G-H-T-S off early on the Eiffel Tower for the first time since 1889 and then there's a picture

and then there's a picture of the Eiffel Tower with the lights off so I'm a little confused here like he's saying this is the perfect microcosm of the internet and then there's just a picture of the Eiffel Tower from 1889 and from apparently a Twitter account

that just posts pictures from history. And then what was really confusing was then all the comments on this tweet. So the first comment is from a guy named Isaac Hepworth. Now I'm assuming this has something to do with the Paris. This came out shortly after the terrorist attacks in Paris. I'm assuming this obviously has something to do with the Paris attacks. So this guy, Isaac Hepworth, is saying,

the ideal coda to the whole episode. And then somebody else named Jesse Lanzer writes, It's question mark. And then Rurik Bradbury, which I think this feels like a clue, says they even did a sloppy cut and paste. It's modern art, which I'm not exactly sure how that means. And then somebody else wrote, how long until a GOP candidate refers to this in a speech. And then somebody else writes an it unto the world.

And then somebody else writes, Extraordinary Disruption, which I don't even know what that means. And then somebody else writes, your think fluence knows no bounds, which sounds like it would be a funny joke if I understood it. And just before going further, a little legal disclaimer, when I say this tweet, I mean this tweet and then

the screenshot and then all the comments below the tweet. That's what this tweet refers to for purposes of brevity. Okay. PJ Vote, do you know what this tweet means? Yes. Alex Goldman, do you know what this tweet means? Yes.

Alex Bloomberg, do you know what this tweet means? No. Where do you start with something like this? You got to start with Jeff Jarvis. You're starting with Jeff Jarvis. See, I know that name. Okay, so what does that name mean to you, Alex? Jeff Jarvis, I happen to know a lot about because he was an Internet pioneer back when I was like a little bit more current on the Internet.

He's a media professor and had a blog or has a blog called Buzz Machine, right? Yes. Yeah. And he's just like a influential writer-thinker about the Internet. You know. Some might call him a think fluencer. Right. So Jeff Jarvis as Alex Goldman was sort of teasing towards, like he's somebody who gets lumped in with this group of people who people ironically call think fluencers.

Just like people who seem to be on the like conference, academic, big ideas about technology circuit. And at some point, somebody decided to create a Jeff Jarvis. parody account, which is crazy. Like, it's crazy to have a parody account of somebody who's, like, an internet academic? Right. If Jeff Jarvis got the parody account, then who is safe from a parody account? No one. So the parody account is called fake Jeff Jarvis. So the bio of the fake Jeff Jarvis account is hyperlogical think fluencer, journalism 3.0 advocate, co-founder at Mogadishu Reinvent Unconference, CEO Mogadishu Capital Partners LLC. And, and, It's a parody of, like, tech utopian futurism, all the people who are like, all our problems are going to be solved by forthcoming technology.

And a tech conference. Right. Yeah. Yeah. The fake Jeff Jarvis is always talking about, like, the latest disruption. And, like, his tweets are like, like, a good classic fake Jeff Jarvis tweet is, hold on. I've got one. It says, it says, just got some great news that made my day.

people are looking at my LinkedIn profile. He's just like a giddy, optimistic tech man. And it also seems worth mentioning that Jeff Jarvis hates this account so much. Oh yeah, he complains about it publicly with a surprising amount of regularity. Because people confuse him for this guy. And he doesn't, he's done nothing in his life to deserve like a parody account with 16,000 followers on it. Right. And the guy derives clearly.

a lot of pleasure from angering real Jeff Jarvis. So fake Jeff Jarvis also just kind of, I think, like spreading certain kinds of misinformation. Am I getting in this right, Alex? It's not so much that he likes to spread certain kinds of misinformation, but he is a huge critic of the way that information travels on the internet. Like the pin tweet at the top of his account right now is context kills page views. So he did this thing, which I have to say like I really did not like at the time, which is after the terror attacks in Paris, fake Jeff Jarvis posted this tweet that was a picture of the Eiffel Tower with its lights turned off.

Mm-hmm. And it said, wow, lights off on the Eiffel Tower for the first time since 1889. That tweet got 29,000 retweets and 28,000 likes because, you know, it was like this sad moment and people wanted to like share in the sadness. and this was like a simple, poignant metaphor about what had happened in Paris, right? Right. So the first response on this tweet is from Clara Jeffrey at Mother Jones. And she says they go off every night at 1 a.m., which is true. Right.

Which fake Jeff Darvus knew. Uh-huh. So he was sort of making a snarky comment about the fact that when people are very sad about a horrible, violent incident, they don't always fact-check, like, symbolic tweets. Right. which I thought was kind of a mean joke I mean yes if I read yes

I know I know too soon is a meme and everything like that but that was whatever too soon it's like literally it was within hours yeah yeah yeah and it's like oh yeah like a lot of people are sad about a thing that doesn't directly like to me that's actually like one of the nice things about the internet is like people feel things and like they want to express them whatever right point is

he does that tweet it goes on forever but there's this other like sort of sub-erreiber of Twitter, which are these historical picture accounts. Right. They have millions and millions and millions of followers, and they post things like, the first time Stalin played baseball, and it'll be some picture. And generally, like, the facts are wrong. Right.

Generally, the facts are wrong, or the pictures photoshopped, or the context is just very poorly written. And the reason that these accounts exist is because if they get, like, a critical mass of followers, they can occasionally do a promoted tweet and, like, Make serious bank just by tweeting. Uh-huh. So it's just like it's a way that like you just gin up a bunch of followers on your fake historical picture account until you get to the level where you can charge somebody an arm and a leg to post a promoted content. And they never correct and they never remove.

They just put stuff up and if people point out that it's incorrect, they're just like, oh well. The other thing they will do is steal content, very freely. Okay. Can you see where this is going? I can. All right. Whoa. I think I just put it together.

So what happened? So it sounds like this historical picture account, Classic Picks, sounds like what it did is it took the picture that was on fake Jeff Jarvis's tweet about the Eiffel Tower the first time since 1889. and it just sounds like they just copied and pasted his tweet into their tweet, but they forgot to copy the L.

Yes. So, wait a minute. So they just, they took this fake Jeff Jarvis tweet, which was like, which was not even real in the first place, which was all bullshit. And then they copied it poorly, forgetting to copy the L, put it into their own account

and posted it as if it was a real thing. We are it, yes, yes, yes. Wow. That's amazing. Yeah. It is the perfect microcosm of the internet. Yeah. You are so right, Rurik Bradbury.

Yes. Because it's like, humans have a feeling about a big historical event all at the same time. And then smart snarky humans want to point out that that feeling is bullshit, everyone. Yeah. So then they make a, you know, satirical tweet demonstrating everybody's ignorance in the face of tragedy.

And then everyone's ignorant in the face of tragedy. And then some possibly bot with a bogus internet monetizing scheme comes along and copies it poorly. And makes like tiny amounts of money on like probably like Viagra pills or something. Wow. Wow. And so now I'm understanding all these comments like, extraordinary disruption, that would be a thing that fake Jeff Jarvis would say. Yes. And it actually is, like, it actually is, it's like very extraordinary disruption of the classic business model.

Because like these, like, the fake historic picture accounts are like, if your grandparents have a Twitter account, they're like following the historical picture account. Yeah. And like your grandparents are definitely not following fake Jeff Jarvis. It's like, it's like if like, I don't know, like, the guys from like, like, Game of Thrones showed up on QBC or something like that. And also, like, history and picture accounts are the kinds of thing that, in theory, I think, like, that, like, what's the thing context kills page views?

Yeah. Like, it's the kind of thing that fake Jeff Jarvis seems to be criticizing. Like, people want to have an experience of looking at history. They don't particularly care if it's right or not. And so, you know, these sort of, like, lazy historical lies do really well on the Internet. and it's kind of garbagey, and, like, it's a function of certain internet business models. And the fact that his critique of that got subsumed by the thing itself is just, like, so enjoyable. It's amazing.

It's sort of, like, watching a nature documentary, and you see something really brutal. Like, you see a bunch of, like, tiny bugs eating, like, a proud lion or something. And, like, you wouldn't want to be there, and you wouldn't want to be the bugs or the lion. But there's something about watching a system work really efficiently, even towards an end you don't love that is, like, really satisfying. Does that make you sound like a serial killer? No, it's the... Don't sugarcoat this for him. Yes, it makes you sound like a serial killer.

No, it makes you sound like an ecologist. You're an ecologist of the internet. And you've like, this is the way the natural system works. And it's very exciting to sort of like put together all the parts. Like, oh, this is the arachnid that is like connecting the, you know, that transfers the bacteria to this that makes this like lake not bloom with algal blooms or whatever. Like they figure out the system. I feel like that's what this feels like.

Yes. I want to like take off my pith helmet and like doff it. Coming up, we actually have an update on the yes, yes, no, that you just listened to just seconds ago. And you, yes, you are listeners. Tell us your stories about the most embarrassing message you ever sent online. Welcome back to the show. Okay, so we recorded that yes, yes, no on Monday of this week. As I am recording this, it's Tuesday.

And PJ has just asked me and Alex Bloomberg to come back into the studio. Okay, so I brought you guys back here for a reason. Go on. Okay, so that was Monday. Today's Tuesday. Can I tell you how fast moving the world of parody Twitter is? Sure. So in the last day, fake Jeff Jarvis, no more.

What? Yeah. Jeff Jarvis tweeted, happy days, justice at least as it. last and a screenshot of a saying that that account no longer existed. What? Why? Nobody knows. Oh, my God.

Not only that, but like, remember we were reading the comments below that picture? Mm-hmm. One of them was this guy Rurik Bradbury. Rurik Bradbury was the person who did the original tweet that we were discussing. Rurik Bradbury was fake Jeff Jarvis, which I didn't know. This was not a big reveal except for me because I was under-informed. Like the world actually knew that. Wow.

And Rorick Bradbury's personal account. Gone. Hmm. I'm wondering if there's some kind of crazy scandal that we don't know about. What do you make of that? I'm assuming Twitter shut down the account. I wonder if it was the Paris tweet. I wonder if a big parody of people's grief annoyed the powers the block.

But that's not how Twitter works. What do you mean? to know how Twitter works. Twitter doesn't just shut you down for... Does Twitter just shut you down? Can you just be shut down by Twitter? You can just be shut down by Twitter. You can?

For violating their terms of service. If you get enough abuse reports. My counter theory is that that person quit. Rurick Bradbury's just quit being Jeff Jarvis? And apparently quit being Rurik Bradbury. He deleted his Twitter. Why would he do that? Maybe...

I mean, you've heard of people flaming out. People flame out all the time. So Rurik Bradbury. So this puts like a negative spin on what I thought was a happy story. Now that I know that Rurik Bradbury is fake Jeff Jarvis, the one who did the original incendiary asshole tweet, this was like him sort of like crowing on his own accomplishment. Yeah, instead of an outside observer just observing the ecosystem.

It's like the leopard was like, isn't it great how I eat all these tiny animals? Oh. You really ruined... Fuck! You really ruined Alex's day. I wish I didn't know that. I know. I'm sorry, guys.

Man. It's such a bummer. So, like, that was just... Now we're just all, like, Rirk Bradbury's pawns. Yeah, we were even... It was just him bragging. That tweet was him bragging.

About, look, who else I suckered. Yeah. Look how far my con has gone. Here's this, like, friendly, ironic observer of, like, you know, the internet, and it turns out it's the fucking guy himself. Yeah.

Like, Bruce Wayne being like, God, this Batman fellow sure is impressive, everybody. I know. It's like when Scott Adams went on Metafilter and was like, I don't blame you for hating Scott Adams. The guy's a real genius. I'd be mad too if I'm about that. He was like, I feel jealous of him too.

I wish I made that much money. And he was admitting that he was really Scott Adams? No, he did it under a pseudonym. What a Dilbert. Yeah, he's a real Dilbert. Do you know that this office does have a Dilbert cartoon? No. Right when you walk in,

on that weird wooden piece of broken furniture. Yeah, yeah, there's a dober cartoon on that. But it feels like an ironic post-apocalyptic reference or something, right? Oh, yeah, the Baws. Yeah, like I was, yeah, the one about, like, I think it's funny to say to people I don't agree with. I just say, bah, that one. Yeah. I never read it.

You just know it's there. You want me to summarize it for you? Yes. All right, so Dogbert is talking to Dillbert. Yeah. Give one's fifth podcast is just a Dilbert Recap podcast. It's way more popular than anything else. All right.

Our work here is never done, but done for now. Okay. So now we are going to revisit a segment called Undo, Undo. So a while back, I went on the show and I told it an incredibly embarrassing story about an I am I accidentally sent to an ex-girlfriend. And the only way I could undo the sending of that was to do a little bit of breaking and entering. Into her home. Okay, I didn't exactly break in. I knocked on the front door, but I just made some bogus excuse to come in.

And I said I had to go to the bathroom. I went to the bathroom on my way back. I took a left turn into her office and I closed a chat window in which I had written stuff about a person I was dating that I didn't want her to know about. So we asked our listeners

to actually... We asked if anybody had had a worse experience or a similarly bad experience of accidentally sending a message to somebody and wishing that they could have undone it but not being able to and not being a sociopath who breaks into people's houses

just having to live with the consequences like an adult. I was very young and... How old were you? I'm living... How old are you? How old are you? 24.

Okay. Did you ever apologize? No, because she doesn't know about it. Okay, so you sent this thing, your sociopath, established, you never apologized. You did put it on a podcast. Ugh. And we heard from a bunch of people who had done similar things. So our intern, Kalila Holt, she...

bravely waded through hundreds. Was it hundreds? It was a hundred. A single hundred. One hundred. That's still a lot. Of voice memos, of people telling us the messages they wish they could undo. And can you tell us sort of...

Before that, was this the most painful thing you've had to do as an intern here? I don't know about the most painful. Uh-oh. But, yeah, what's been worse? That's a good question. The most painful is when I'm trying to write the newsletter and none of you guys are sending me newsletter recommendations and I'm running out of tactics to use

to get people to send me things. You never, you're always on message. Like your message is submit to the newsletter, read the newsletter, and I admire that no matter what you always find a way. Yeah, maybe we could use this to... plug the newsletter in the podcast. Then all that work won't have been in vain. It is a really good newsletter, you've got to say.

Thank you. But yeah, it was like six hours. So, like, of the hundred messages, about half of them were, like, I wrote a mean thing about this person and I accidentally sent it to the person. Okay. That was a very common story. Did a lot of people break into people's homes, or is that an exceptionally weird thing to do? No one, I don't think I heard any about breaking into people's homes.

What can I say? You don't have to. Often imitated, never duplicated. Never imitated. Of the people who said mean things about other people, those were mostly about co-workers. So a lot of people write stuff they shouldn't at work, I guess, is the message of that. I feel like as someone who used to work in IT, I realize that the IT guys can always look at your email. Really?

Even if you delete it? Really? Oh, yeah. People should know that. Yes. Okay, so about eight of these were things that were like, oh, this didn't actually happen to me. It happened to someone I know or like someone sent this to me. So eight people in the world have their story sent into a podcast who did not consent to it.

Oh, wow. And then randomly there were three involving religious officials, three inappropriate responses to tragic news. Hold on, hold on. Three involving religious officials? A lot of people showing inappropriate things to religious officials, yeah. Oh, like, you're trying to email your rabbi to reschedule a rabbi. Exactly. You were going to say a brisk, isn't you?

That's the only thing I can think of. Right. So you're trying to reschedule a brist and you just sent a dirty joke. Okay. Yeah. So you excerpted a lot of the sort of craziest moments from within the voicemails. You built a montage of panic and sadness. Yeah.

I just took a bunch of stuff wildly out of context. text and put it together. That sounds appropriate. Yeah, totally. So can we hear it? Yes, you can. The one email that I wish I could undo was a message I sent to my boss's boss's boss.

Her name was Janine, and I spelled it, J-A-N-I-N-A, and spell check changed it to vagina. We met at a grocery store, I think, and met the couple. They brought the trombone. Wait, what was that about the trombone? He met this old couple to buy a trombone in a parking lot. And then he decided the trombone was shitty.

And he texted someone about how it was a shitty trombone, but he sent it to them and hurt their feelings. Like happy old trombone couple. I still cringe just remembering my choice of words in that comment to say, piece of turd. And up pops a picture, basically a picture of oral sex, in front of a room of 40 devout men on the first day of a college course. Turns out someone else had picked up the domain name and put up a bestiality site.

And there it was, a bestiality site right on the top of my resume of related work. Of course, my face turned bright red, and it's turning a little red right now. just retelling this. All I could respond was, ha-ha, no worries, no strangle. Okay, so we're not going to get into all of those stories. But Kaylee, you asked us to call your two favorite people who got in touch. Yeah. The first one is a woman named Sarah.

She was in college and she was working on a paper. It was the end of the semester. And she stepped away from her computer for a minute. And when she came back, she went to close a file. I go to close the word program and it pops up like, do you want to save your changes? And I'm thinking, well, I haven't made any changes. And no, I don't want to save this old crappy version. So I click no and the window shuts.

And at that point, all these other different chat windows appear behind it. And I'm thinking, what the hell is there a virus on this computer? What's going on? And that's when it kind of dawns on me. Maybe this isn't my computer. and I turn around behind me and I see my bag on the desk behind me and I just think, oh my God, what have I done? And I see the expression on the face and the girl behind my desk is looking at me like,

what the hell are you doing? And I asked her, it's like, do you know who's sitting here? And she's like, yeah, that's my friend's computer. I think I just made a really big mistake. I'll be right back. So, you know, I was trying to intercept this person. Apparently she'd, like, gone to the bathroom or something. Wait, you wanted to tell her before she found out herself?

I wanted to tell her before she gets back to her desk, you know? But that didn't happen because she got back to her desk, apparently, a second after I left it. So while I'm in the tech room, in she comes. And she's a total drama queen. She's just, like, howling and shrieking, like, somebody deleted my essay. And she's banging her hands against the window. So, like, now the entire fourth floor is alerted to, like, some crazy drama that's happening. And meanwhile, everyone else is stressed trying to get to the end of their deadline, so they don't want to hear this.

Also, this is a library. This is a library. It's quiet. And so in the midst of this, like, I've raised this monster, basically, and understandably so, because who does that? Who goes and delete someone else's essay? I mean, that I've lost my own work over the years is one thing, but that I've managed to get to the extent where I've deleted someone else's work. And she'd been there from that morning, you know,

so all eight hours of her time had been wasted, thanks to me. And so, and I had to turn to her, just like, I'm really sorry. And she was like, what? Was it you? You know, and it kind of sets off all over again. And there's no way to explain to anyone. happened. Like, I don't know what happened. I just knew that suddenly it wasn't my desk anymore, you know? Sarah also told me that a few years after this, a couple days before she was supposed to turn in her thesis, she lost basically the entire thing to some weird computer glitch, which she

thinks is part of some, like, large, carmic retribution for this happening. And our last undo story, this is a person named Jenny. She was in a situation that I think most people at some point have found themselves in, which is that she had this horrible, overwhelming crush. It was on a guy at work. Like, literally, she said when she walked by him, she would have this, like, full body panic reaction where she would start sweating like crazy. They finally got to the point where they had had one casual non-date lunch together. And then he'd seen a movie and he'd texted her about seeing the movie. And she was so excited and freaked out that he texted her that she went to email a friend about it. I sent my friend Brooke an email, and my email to her was, it was very short. It said, he just texted me thinking about each other at the same time.

Oh, make it stop, Brookie, please. I hit send, and it was like the split second after I hit send that I realized what I had done. So I remember I'm screaming, and I pick up the phone and call my friend Brooke. who lives in Australia. I'm freaking out on the phone with her. And, you know, through all this, I'm realizing, like, oh, my God, like, I can't be talking through her anymore because I need to sit down and, like, actually deal with the situation, figure out how to, like, weasel my way out of theirs.

I remember sitting down at my computer. And I just, I remember, like, typing, deleting, typing, deleting, and just got to a point where I was like, I, there's just, there's no story that I could tell that could get me out of this. And as I'm typing this email, I see something pop up in my inbox, and I open it. And as I opened it, I'm like, hoping it's him, but kind of hoping it's not him, just not really knowing what to expect. And when I see that, it's him, I'm like, you know, oh, I take a deep breath.

And all the email says is, now, why would we want that to stop? Oh. And that was it. That's so nice. Yeah, I mean, it was really, I'm not. I don't know. It was just the best, the best possible thing that he could have said that I could have read. And, you know, that was maybe eight years ago or something, and we got married two years later.

And we just had a kid two years ago. So, you know, things are pretty good. Okay. So that is like the literally the one out of a hundred exception to this thing. Like she sent an email that she didn't mean to and it turned into a marriage instead of someone. horrible embarrassment. For the rest of us, who would like this to never happen, who would just like to send the emails they mean to send to the people they mean to send them.

I feel like the one line of defense that I have in my life is that when I use Gmail, and Gmail actually has this feature that I feel like people don't know about. There's this Gmail feature called Undo Send, where literally like after you send an email, you have 30 seconds where you can call it back. They just hold on to it. And I use that, I think, a couple times a week where just something stupid and embarrassing isn't an email and I just like claw it back. I didn't even know that existed. Which is weird because I feel like you know, I feel like I don't usually know more tech stuff than you.

Yeah, well, that remains true because I actually know an app that can one up your undie send. Like it's a better undoer? Yeah, it's like industrial strength. Really? Yeah. Do you want to send an email? that we're going to regret? No.

All right. So, I have in my hand, my credit card. This is like a magic trick. I am going to my Gmail account. Okay. I am going to send an email to our former coworker, Sarah Abduramon. A person who loves to mess with you. Yeah, and would absolutely...

She would absolutely use your credit card information. Are you going to give her your credit card information? Yes, I'm going to put my credit card in the email. I'm putting my credit card information in the email, and I am writing, here's my credit card info. Go nuts. Okay. All right.

I have sent. But, you know, I'm not really worried because I'm using this app. It's called crypttext. And the way that it works is I just typed in my credit card information, and when I hit send, this program turns my email. into an image. The image is actually hosted not on Gmail. It's hosted somewhere else.

So if at any point you want to recall it, you can just recall it. So I can just go unsend and it deletes the image. So whenever the person opens their email, the image is gone. That's really devious. Yeah, it's amazing. Not only that,

but it allows me to set things to expire. So I set that message to expire after a minute. So it's like Snapchat for your email. That's really good. Would you really use this in your life? This is an app for insane people. I want to be perfectly clear. This is an app for insane people.

But if you want to, if you are into like cloak and dagger shit. Yeah. Let's say you're a spy who's having an affair. Or let's just say you like want to tell someone something and then you want to confound them by making them unable to see it again. If it's working off an image that's hosted off site, could you send someone an email and then change the image. So you'd be like, I love you. And then the next time they checked, he'd be like, I loathe you. And then the next time they checked it'd be like, I love you.

No, because it's something that's hosted somewhere where you can't change it. But they could make it work that way. Who? Crypttext? Yeah. I mean, if they were wanted to sync their business model. I love you. I loathe you. Okay. So that's all. The only thing I would add to all of this is that even though the deadline is now passed for these mortifying stories, if somebody's listening, there, like, I really have one that is way worse than all of this, I would still, we would still be up for listening to it, right? Like, people could still send it. Yeah, I would love to listen to more of these. As much as, like, it sucks to make a mistake like this as a human.

Oh, my God, they're so fun to listen to. Thank you for making terrible mistakes. Also, make Kaylee happy and sign up for our newsletter. Go to Replyle.com. There's a newsletter subscription box in the lower right-hand side of the page. You might have to scroll down a bit. you'll be glad you did, but more importantly, Kaylee will be glad you did. Okay, just one more update to the update to our yes, yes, no.

It looks like fake Jeff Jarvis is back on Twitter. However, Rurik Bradbury has not reemerged. Reply all is PJ Vote and me, Alex Goldman. We were produced this week by Tim Howard, Truthy Pinnaminani and Fia Bennon. Our editor is Peter Clowny. Production assistants and newsletter assistants, and undo, undo, undo voicemail listening assistants from Kalila Hold. We were mixed this week by Rick Kwan. Our theme music is by the mysterious breakmaster cylinder,

and our ad music is by build buildings. Matt Lieber is finally finding the name of that movie that you saw as a kid that was so weird and vivid that you didn't know if you dreamt it or not. You can find more episodes of Reply All at iTunes.com slash Reply All. Our website is Replyall.soy. PJ is very sick today, so you should send him some messages telling him to feel better. Thanks so much for listening, and we'll see you next week.