Reply All - #80 Flash!

Episode Date: October 27, 2016

This week: a bitter Yes Yes No rivalry, and the return of 10 Minutes on Craigslist. Someone has gone missing. Further Reading The original tweet. Loss. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

From Gimlet, this is Reply All. I'm Alex Goldman. And I'm PJ Vote. Welcome once again to yes, yes, no, the segment on the show where our boss, Alex Bloomberg, delivers tweets to us that he does not understand, and then we explain them to him. And he is, by turns, delighted or, like, really angry that he spent the time to get them explained to him. Angry? Sometimes he leaves feeling, like, really sad about them.

I'm right here. You could ask me how it's it. How do you usually feel? I usually feel angry and delighted. What a cocktail of emotion. So far, he has never given us a tweet that we could not decipher. Yeah, it's not like Bloomberg's Jason Manzoukis or anything like that. Oh, Manzukas.

Yeah, we had a special guest comedian Jason Manzuchas. We had him in March. He is the only person who's been able to stump us with a yes, yes, yes, no. And Alex Bloomberg, you're a little jealous about that, right? Well, you're jealous. I want to be jealous of somebody like Jason Manzoukis who has, like, there's nothing to be jealous of. Like, I mean, let's be honest, fellas, right? Like, I mean, how many times?

He's been on the show once. He got lucky that one time, but nobody can recap like me, right? Nobody can recap like you. That's true. Okay, so here's what I got. This is from Twitter user Anime Dad. I like it already. Big fan.

The handle is at Zumi Raman. Zumi Z-O-O-M-Y Raman. And the tweet is a picture of it's like that typical sort of like electoral map. You know, it's that black and white map of the United States

with all the states outlined but the state names aren't there. So it's just like, you know, that map that we've all seen. And but instead of all the states being colored either red or blue, most of the states are still white and just a couple of them

have been colored in red or blue, just like a small handful, just like seven. Uh, looks like Minnesota's red, but Michigan's blue. Um, that's not Michigan. That's, that's Wisconsin, man. Oh, that's right. Sorry, that's not Michigan.

I was like, where's the thumb? That is the wrong thing to get wrong. That's Alex Goldman. So offended. There's like a single issue voter and it's just Michigan. And it's just like whether you have any cultural literacy about Michigan. All of a sudden I was on the spot. Like, I was like, none of the state names have names.

And then I'm like, oh, my God. I have to, like, there's 50 of them. I have to just do it just. by shape. Anyway, Minnesota and Wisconsin. Minnesota's red. Wisconsin's blue. And then,

and then, okay, so you get the idea, right? Yes. It's like all white outline states, just a couple of them red and blue. And then the tweet actually reads, what did it look like if only Tim Buckley voted in the election? Okay.

And 558 retweets, 834 likes. Well, obviously. thousands of people who are in the no, and I am not one of them. Hmm. So, PJ Vote, do you understand this tweet? Halfway.

Okay. Alex Goldman, do you understand this tweet? Yes. Alex Bloomberg, do you understand this tweet? No, no. Hey, Jason Manzoukis, do you understand this tweet? What? I do not.

This is a no for me. I've been set up. but here's what I did know here's what I did know I knew that that was Wisconsin or I knew that was Michigan God damn it Wisconsin

Blumberg come on man don't you know the map so the thing we probably should have said is that we hid Jason Manzoukis in another studio it's sort of like a Montel thing yeah

I'm your father All right. So PJ, you said you sort of understand this. I'm wondering if you could go ahead and go as far as I can go. And take us to where your comprehension sort of fails you. Okay. So there's a guy named Nate Silver. Maybe you've heard of him.

I know by that. Nate Silver or somebody at 538 tweeted out a thing. I think it was Nate Silver. It was Nate Silver. Tweeted out this thing where he was like, here's what the electoral map would look like if only women voted. And I think he also tweeted one that was like, and if only men. voted. Right. And it was like overwhelmingly, women are voting for Clinton. Actually, overwhelmingly like, men are voting for Trump. Or at least that electoral map like they would win. Right.

And then people thought it would be funny to tweet a lot of other electoral maps. Like this guy, Leon tweeted one that was like, here's what it would look like if only Leon voted. And it was just like one state going to him as a writing candidate. There's one that was here's what the, here's what the American electoral map would look like if only dogs voted. And it was just a gray map because dogs are colorblind. Oh, boy. Somebody tweeted, I think Casey Johnson tweeted like, here's what the electoral map would look like if only people who found these jokes funny voted.

It was just like New York. But I don't understand anything. Like, I don't understand this. I understand that this is one of those, but I don't understand this. And I don't know who Tim Buckley is. And I thought he was. And also, how's Tim Buckley able to vote in all these states?

Guys, this is voter fraud. Yeah, yeah. How is he able to vote in all these states? And why is he voting both Republican and Democrat? And who is he? and what does this mean? Yes. And how do 560 people know?

I know. And 838 people, 34 people like. Well, I think some of those likes are people being like, I think I get it. But I think all the retweets, those people have to know. It's an aspirational like? At least some of them. I feel like I've done that like. It's like laughing at a joke you don't get in hoping no one noticed this.

Really? Yeah. You've really done that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Wait, what's the last tweet you aspirational liked? Let me check. This is really good.

Do you see all the social dynamics you don't have to deal with because you're not on Twitter, Jason? This sounds miserable. This frankly sounds miserable. It's awful. Okay, do you want to be the last thing I pretended to understand? Yes. Okay, October 15th, which was three days ago from when we're recording, I tweeted a tweet that was like, Obama was just like ripping on Trump in this way that was like very stand-up comedy feeling. And I tweeted, and I tweeted, and said, was waiting for the hashtag MNF, come on.

Man reference and here it is dot-da-dot. And I was like, yeah, ha ha. Favorite that joke. I have no idea what that means either. No idea. What if that was like, what if that was racist or something? What if that had some sort of inherent? What if MNF Come On Man is like a faction of the Nazi party or something?

Yeah. That is dangerous. And you're dangerous favorite things you don't understand on the internet. And you're like, thumbs up, bro. You get it. Uh-huh. Well, I'm also like, the problem is on Twitter. The problem is my broken personality.

Like, I feel like a lot of times when I laugh, I'm just saying, like, please don't hit me. And so the favorites are basically the same. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh. I found it on my phone, hashtag MNF is a football thing? Oh, boy. Oh, no. This is only going to get more embarrassing for PJ, I fear.

Oh, no. Yeah, you were like, yeah, go sports people. Yeah. Well, you guys watch Monday night, hashtag Monday Night Football, so you guys know that they always say, come on, man. It's a Monday Night Football reference. MNF. Oh, I get it. By the way, the idea that MNF is so clearly Monday Night Football and none of us knew it.

I know. That means we must be on a podcast. And like our entire audience is like, are you pranking us right now? People are breaking their computers over their legs in rage. Like you are embarrassing yourselves. Yeah, all the people thought we were cool sports guys are really disappointed right now. Jokes on you assholes, we're here to talk about Gilmore girl. So again, this tweet reads, what did it look like if Tim Buckley voted in the election and it's a mess?

and the important thing is not what states are red and what states are blue or even what states are highlighted. The important thing is the pattern that the red and blue states create. Wait, okay, so it's like red blue, red blue. Is there a pattern I'm supposed to be discerning? You would not know it unless you know what it's referencing,

but once you recognize this pattern, you will forever see it on the internet. Once you recognize... When you say pattern... It is a visual reference to something else. Red, red, blue, red blue. You're overthinking it. Red, white.

Just let... I should probably just explain. Wait, hold on. Is it a mouth? There are red and blues that are together and then there's a single Idaho red. Are the red and blues together signify something that, like,

is supposed to be like, and now Idaho's all alone? It is so interesting watching it. Like, you guys don't have primary. information, which will help you understand this. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, is Pennsylvania, I'm sorry, not Pennsylvania, is, is Tennessee and Kentucky? Wow. Wow. History is really bad. Tennessee and Kentucky. This is like, this is embarrassing. Is that a mouth? No. Okay. Is it the Windows logo? Is it the flag of France? Guys, seriously, without primary information, you just are not going to get this.

Okay, so Tim Buckley is this guy who draws an online comic that's called Control Alt Delete. Okay. And it is like a comic about video games. Okay. And the premise of the comic is that there's two guys who sit around and play video games and make fun of each other. And it's basically like the knockoff version of a much more popular comic called Penny Arcade. Which is also about two guys who hang around and play video games to being fun of each other? Yes.

Who would want to listen to two guys just making fun of each other over? Yeah, I know. It's a terrible premise for anything. Okay. So, it's this comic that existed for many, many years, not particularly funny, but, like, it just kind of, like, did its thing. Is it necessary to know that you don't like it to understand this? Or are you just editorializing about this comic? And how not funny?

Is it, like, Marmaduke not funny? Or is it like... Andy Borowitz not funny? It's just, like... It not funny? Jason. I love that we're just taking shot. over here, just taking shots.

It's just, it's important to know that, like, the Internet's opinion of it was generally pretty low. Okay. So, like, an example of a control-alt-delead comic is, like, Batman throws a battering at a bad guy, and instead of knocking him out, it sticks in his head and kills him, and then Batman kind of makes a whoopsie face. That's a control-all-de-lead comic. Okay. And so in 2008, the guy who wrote it, Tim Buckley, put out a comic that was just a dramatic, dramatic, dramatic tone shift.

What happened? The strip was called loss, and I will show you guys. It is a four-panel wordless comic. Oh, boy. This is sad. Go ahead and describe it. Okay. You said four-panel comic. First panel, guy walking into emergency room.

It's wordless. The whole thing is wordless. Panel two, the receptionist is directing him towards something. Panel three, he's talking to a doctor. And the man's expression is consistently like mouth, open, furrowed brow, worried. Now, he's talking to a doctor and he seems even more worried, and the doctor does not seem reassuring. And then fourth panel, he's standing next to a woman's bed who's sitting on her side crying. And he looks very nervous and upset, right? You look nervous.

My assumption on this comic is that she has had a miscarriage. That is correct. Wow. Boom! How's that feel? How about that, Bloomberg? How about that? Boom! I understood that comic.

The king of yes, yes, no. Factually, you're correct. Totally. Yeah, you're a little off, a little bit. Okay, go ahead. So this comic comes along There's this jarring tone shift That is nothing like the comic that came before it So it's like it's like if all of a sudden

Marmaduke or something turned into like a real story That you cared about one day for one day only Right there were two follow-up strips Which were the main character and all of his friends Sitting in the hospital being like yeah I'm really sad Did he explain what was happening? He did he wrote like a sort of personal thing underneath the comic about like You know I was in a relationship and I I I I

There was a miscarriage. It ended our relationship. And this is, like, something that felt important to me to get off my chest. Huh. So he did these three strips. And then the next strip is, like, some kids playing Dungeons and Dragons. It, like, just, it, like, goes away. Never to be mentioned again.

Comic is silly again. And the internet just found this to be really weird tonally, kind of. And it was just, like, rape for making fun of. Wait, why? It was funny because the man who's not sad was sad. Or it was funny because the man that they make fun of for not being funny was sad. I get why they're making fun of it. Explain.

Here's this guy who's doing this thing that a lot of people think is like, just fine, nothing fancy, nothing great. And then he breaks format in a very public way that could be construed as self-important to make a statement strip. Right. And if it was like, if there was like some precedent for it or some like, like, some, like, explanation for it or something like that like i think people would have probably been okay with it but there's because of the way he did it and the way it just sort of dropped in and then went away there was like a whiff of self-importance or grandiosity to it and and it was the statement was just sort of like again the same kind of fine that the strip was before so it's like it's not

the most powerful thing that's ever been written about miscarriage it's not the most. And I mean, it feels like there's a certain, I think the internet hates any whiff of self-importance or like sort of like hypocritical sort of like motivation. Yeah. And there's like there's some of that in there, I feel like. And the other thing people really didn't like was the idea that, um, this female character was simply used as like emotional motivation for a male character to feel sad. Right. And then the next two comics are like the guy, the guy and his friends talking about how hard it is. You don't get any...

Okay, okay. All right, cool. I'm on board with the cyberbullying. Or at least I can understand it. Right. I'm not too sad to proceed. So, once this thing came out,

immediately the internet took it and started making fun of it. And they did it by, like, making just endless parodies of it. And it turns out that this thing is actually pretty easy to parody. All it takes is, like, you make a four-panel image

and you recreate the way that the characters were standing in the comic. So it's like one person in the first panel, a person talking to the receptionist in the second panel, a person talked to a doctor in the third panel, and in the fourth panel, like, someone standing over bed. Okay.

Things like that. It looks nothing like the comic, by the way. Oh, here's one with the Simpsons? Yeah, like one with Stills from the Simpsons. Got it. Millhouse is in the role of the woman. Right. Poor Milhouse.

I actually feel bad for Tim Buckley, because like the thing he was going for, which is making something that's like Stark and iconic, also makes it super easy to parody. Because like you can plug in like, Bart in a hallway, you know what I mean?

Like because it was simple, it was easier to parody. Right. Anyway. Okay. So then, okay. So that's where it goes. So then.

I have a guess. Okay. And then it gets more abstract. It gets way more abstract. Okay. To the point where it's like, it's like rather than having characters in these positions,

it's like as long as there are objects roughly in the correct positions. Uh-huh. Yeah. Then it, like... Oh, wow. So now I get it. This, I do love the internet.

How far away can we go from the reference object and still, like, be tethered to it? Yeah, because this is just... Yeah, wow. This one is like a 1950s clip art of a person with red hair holding a hot dog in four panels. And the hot dogs are roughly positioned in the shapes in, like, the locations where the characters would be standing in the original comic. And when there's need for one hot dog, because everything corresponds to the number of people, in the panels. Right.

So there's position one has one hot dog. Oh, wow. This is bananas. Yeah. So there's like, it's like, it's crazy. Oh, wow. There's a great one, which is the Hemingway's short story. For sale baby shoes never worn.

It's the word for is the first panel. Sale is the second. And then baby shoes never worn. And they're like, the words are written vertically to represent people, except the last word worn, which is written horizontally, to represent the person laying down. Like, it's basically the point where it's four panels that can be anything.

It's just so long as they are just roughly, roughly, roughly, roughly in the same position. Wow. One of them is just the tubes or the whatever, the pipes from Mario Brothers. Holy shit. What are people up to? This is my problem with the internet. This is like,

You've just sent me one thing that is, like, represents an appalling amount of work by people to just make and remake this same joke, which itself is insane. Yeah. So coming back to the tweet that the tweet in question, which is a tweet by Anime Dad, also known as Zumi Raman. It says, what did it look like if only Tim Buckley voted in this election? and there are certain states within the United States that are highlighted either red or blue. And I'm wondering Alex and Jason if you can summarize this tweet for us.

I got it now, yes. Jason, you want to do the honors? Sure. So this, again, anime dead. What did it look like if Tim Buckley voted in the election? And then the electoral map is colored in to represent the panels of the loss comic of Tim Buckley's, oh, Alex, will you remind me what it was called?

Control Alt Delete. To the loss strip of Control Alt Delete, wherein each panel from top right to bottom right would be Idaho is alone because there's one figure in that. Sid back Manzookas, let me show you how this is done. Go, go, oh boy. Wow. All right. The tweet and question from anime dad is we now know to be one more iteration in an eight-year-old internet joke, which started with a comic strip written by Tim Buckley, which is called Control All Delete. And it's a comic strip about kids who play video games, and it's sort of funny. And then he came out with this strip out of nowhere that was called Loss.

And it just deals with, like, somebody walking through the doors of an emergency room, talking to the person on the counter. Next panel is talking to the doctor. And then finally arriving at the side of a bed where there's a woman on her side crying, and it's about a miscarriage. So that, for reasons that are complicated to get into right now, attracted the ire of the Internet. The Internet began to mock it. And in the way that the Internet does, it mocked it first by sort of replacing figures in the boxes of the cartoon. and so the comic strip figures who were there became replaced by other figures

and then it gradually sort of like went further and further and further into abstraction until it reached its sort of logical absurdist conclusion where it was just all that you had to do to represent this strip was to have one thing and then two things and then two things and then two things arranged differently

and that is what we see in this electoral map where Idaho is panel one, Wisconsin, and Minnesota are panel two, New Mexico and Arizona are panel three, and Tennessee and Kentucky are panel four. I think we're at yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I think so. But seriously, you know, normally after these, I feel sort of gross. And this one I feel like this is a genius level tweet. It's like about... You think? Yeah. Yeah, it's taking these two...

he's taking these two sort of like very, very disparate memes, and he's put them together in this very clever way, drawing on vast swaths of arcane knowledge to do so. It's just, it's like brilliant

literary criticism. Or it's like, it's like, you know, like James Joyce, where like every single word and every single one of his poems is like drawing on this like myth from Greek mythology or this sort of like thing from history.

It's the same thing. It's the same thing. It's just like drawing on different, sort of storehouses of knowledge. So I just want to make sure you just compared anime dad to James Joyce. That's the world we're living in right now, Plumberg? Yes. Cool, cool, cool, cool.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Coming up after the break, the triumphant return of 10 minutes on Craigslist. The segment where we find Craigslist ads we're curious about and go meet the people who posted them. Craigslist. Santa Rosa, California. Lost and Found Post title Lost Tortoise

Flash has escaped Hello Reporter Damiano Marquette How's it going? Hi I'm Damiano Mike, this is Trisha Trisha really nice to meet you Ben What's up Ben? How you doing?

Who got the turtle originally? My my dad's friend from work had two tortoises that had litter. We got the runt. It was about the size of a quarter. How old were you?

In 1980, I was 11. Yeah. A long time down with that. Yeah. Yeah, we're super sad. I hope he finds his way back somehow. Well, you read the first ad that you put up? Yeah.

Lost Tortoise. Flash has escaped. Last scene near Gregory Court in the Rinkin Valley area. If you have seen this large tortoise, we would appreciate his return. He has been our pet for 36 years. He does not come when you call him. Thank you. What does he look like?

He's about a foot long or maybe 14 inches long, and he's pretty big and heavy. Like it takes two hands to pick him up. He's like the color of a stone. And he's large. and he goes faster than you would think. Rudging along like a miniature dinosaur. What do you think his personality was? Oh, he's kind of, oh, wow.

I kind of like this world. You know, I come out and he's got his neck and going like this, like that. It's kind of jassy, huh? After sleeping for a long time, I can't believe it. He sleeps for a long time, and then he comes out, all ready for the world again, like nothing happened. Can you show me where he escaped? Yeah, right around the corner.

We're walking into the backyard. This is like little territory. You get himself, like, stuck in the weirdest spots. Like, behind there, he'd just be chilling or behind the wood or just, like, stuck somewhere. But mostly he just like roamed around until we fed him. What did he eat? He ate, he eats broccoli, radish leaves, rose petals. He likes standalines.

He loves watermelon. He loves watermelon. He made his way out of the gate. He can really push on it and gets himself out. He's that strong? Yeah, he's really persistent. Are all these scrapings from him? That's from him.

You could come see what he did to our screen. We call him the screen wrecker. He just gets up against the glass and he just shoves his shell back and forth trying to get into the room because he likes being inside. It's like completely frayed and ripped away. Just destroyed. Oh, because he wants to go inside? Yeah.

If he gets inside, he'll find his way into a closet and take an app. Relax a little bit. He sleeps for nine months out of the year in a box in the garage. Really? Yeah. He just doesn't he like hibernates? Hibernates. And he has quite a personality. He's like one of those always greener on the other side. He wants to seems like he's a yeah, he wants to always go somewhere else. It seems like we think he's looking for a girlfriend. He's 36 and he's never had a girlfriend. So Mike just told me something a little crazy, which is that a couple of days ago the mailman called them and was like, I think I found your tortoise. So they went to look. The mailman pulls out a tortoise and it's not their tortoise.

It's like somebody else's lost tortoise. And so now they have that person's tortoise. So we took that tortoise just because we didn't want to, like, we wanted to keep it safe until we found that person's owner. So there's like multiple people out there with lost tortoises apparently. So the last one we posted two days ago was that we lost our tortoise and in the process of looking for him we found someone else's lost tortoise

which is too weird so if you live in Rinkin Valley and if you have lost a tortoise, contact us this one may be yours. No one's gotten back to us yet. The mailman city found it by the street but that was right by a couple of houses which would probably go ask like around there

Okay, we just got to where the mailman found the tortoise and there's like this house right here. We're gonna go knock on the door and see if they know anything about it. Hello? Oh, hello. Hi, I'm a reporter and I'm trying to help this family because we found a tortoise here on the corner of your road. And we were wondering if it was your tortoise, if you knew anything about it? No, I don't. Oh, okay.

I wonder how she got here. Maybe somebody's pet, maybe. That's what we're thinking. Thinking. Thinking. The people across the street have cats and chickens. Well, you do, I don't know what you want to do, but it's not mine. It's not yours.

No, no. Well, we were just checking. Thank you very much. You are welcome. Yeah, thank you. Bye. Bye. Okay.

Gisibo. Benny, what are we going to do right now? We're going to drive to reptile rescue thing and drop off the tortoise and talk to him. to him the guy out there. Cool. Just got to the Sonoma County Reptile Center here to drop off the tortoise that the family found and to see if they know anything about flash their tortoise. Okay.

How's it going? My name's Omyrano. Hi, I'm Al. What's your name? I'm Al Wolf. I'm the director of Sonoma County Reptile Rescue. We have about 200 snakes here. We have about 40 tortoises.

Many turtles, a bunch of lizards, a bunch of other critters. And like in the bucket, I just brought three more rattlesnakes. Yeah, and that's five for the day. What do you do with them? We let them go at people's houses that ask questions. Yeah. And if you get bit, go to the hospital. It happens to me occasionally.

13 times. I hate to count it, but you do. Follow through my zoo here. We're walking to the back of the reptile center. This whole yard is set up for tortoises, okay? Hey little guys. This is set up for box turtles, Russian tortoises, and Greek tortoises. There's two box turtles right there, a box turtle there, a Greek tortoise over there.

There'll be probably, I think, 47 tortoises just in this pen. I live here. And I live here too, yeah. People think it's paradise, but do you think having 12 kids is paradise? I don't know. You know, I have hundreds of kids. It's tough. I get up in the morning and start feeding.

I come home, like I'll be feeding mice and stuff to all the snakes tonight. You know, we have thawed out frozen mice. So all the, they get fed. And then tomorrow anything left over gets fed to the box turtles and the water turtles. They get all the extra thought out frozen mice. so they're meat eaters I keep hiding under here so right now

Tricia is taking out the tortoise to show out it's a Russian tortoise and it's a boy tortoise okay because of the tail yeah the long tail is the boy the short little button tail is a girl the Russian tortoises they're from what we call all the Stan States Katzstanstan Afghanistan

Afghanistan Afghanistan people get them pets they put them in the backyard not realizing they climb really well and they dig really well out they go and that's it. So I posted online that I brought the tortoise here, so hopefully somebody will call.

So what are the prospects for our tortoise? Well, again, it's going to live as long as a person. Oh, you'll find it. In your neighborhood, it's a good chance you've walked by your tortoise five times already. No. Yeah. Makes you feel that way, but they're designed to hide. I mean, we had one, I'd drive down off Robler Road, and I saw this lost tortoise sign, Desert Tortoise.

I'm like, hmm. And I saw it up there for like six, eight weeks, and why don't I get a call from Blank Road, which is just over the hill? And it's a desert tortoise. Oh, they were tickled pink. And it had been gone for about three months. So you say everyone gets their tortoises back from this part? I would say about 95%. How's it going?

Hey, I'm trying to help your neighbors find their tortoise, their loves tortoise. You might know about it. Oh, yeah. It's kind of messy. Well, it doesn't look like he's here, does it? What do you think? Well, it depends, because most of the time when he escapes, he goes down to the end of the court. So he probably is like, oh, that's where I usually go.

Why don't I go a different way this time? like under this tree and under the grapes. Hello? Hello. How's it going? Trying to help your neighbors find their floor. Last night Sarah said he saw a cat gathering with like nine cats just in a circle. Probably like an oddly shaped circle.

I wonder. We thought maybe he went down the gutter there, but we, yeah, we looked and... Flash the Tortoise has been missing since September 8th. He's brownish green and weighs between 8 and 10 pounds. He has a scratch on his shell and is missing a toe on one of his front feet. He was last seen near Gregory Court in the Rinkin Valley area. If you have any information about Flash's whereabouts, please email tortoise at gimletmedia.com.

Reply all is hosted by me, PJ Vote, and Alex Goldman. We were produced by Shruthy Pimminani, Fia Bannon, Chloe Prasinos, and Damiano Marquetti. our executive producer's Tim Howard. We were edited by Peter Clowney. Production assistance from Thane Faye. We were mixed by Rick Kwan. Matt Lieber is money you find in a winter coat.

Special thanks to Kevin DeCiros at the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History. He helped us fact-check some of our tortoise facts. And special thanks to Tom Cody. Our theme song is by The Mysterious Breakmaster Cylinder. Our ad music is by Build Build Buildings. You can listen to the show, however you would like to listen to the show. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week. Welcome to the Reply All Mini Mall.

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