Reptile Fight Club - Knowledge in the Age of Information

Episode Date: November 29, 2022

In this episode, Justin and Chuck tackle the topic of Knowledge in the Age of Information Who will win? You decide. Reptile Fight Club!Follow Justin Julander @Australian Addiction Reptiles-http://www.australianaddiction.comFollow Chuck Poland  on IG @ChuckNorriswinsFollow MPR Network on:FB: https://www.facebook.com/MoreliaPythonRadioIG: https://www.instagram.com/mpr_network/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtrEaKcyN8KvC3pqaiYc0RQMore ways to support the shows.Swag store: https://teespring.com/stores/mprnetworkPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/moreliapythonradio

Welcome to thetile Fight Club. My name is Justin Julander and I will be your host this evening. With me, as always, Chuck Poland. What is up? Oh, you know. Yeah. Not much. Yeah.

I don't know. Do I know? I haven't talked to you for a while. I've been out of the country. Yeah. Yeah. I was out of the country. That was fantastic. It was wonderful, man. Costa Rica. There's a lot of good stuff there. It's

pretty sweet. Yeah. You're going to tell us about it or? Sure. Why not? So my daughter's over there teaching English. So we went and hung out with her for a week or so. Um, she's down, uh, in pretty remote area down in the Southwest kind of peninsular area, the Osa peninsula. And, uh, so we, we got the rental vehicle. My, so it was me and my, uh, three daughters. And then, so the fourth was in, in Osa. Anda and then um my parents went with us jake decided he didn't want to go so not into it stayed home no and it's kind of like well somebody's gonna watch the dogs so that works and he he worked and was going to school and stuff so he didn't feel like he could miss it which is which is okay. He's not much of the outdoorsy kind.

So we got there, got the rental car, and drove. Now, the roads that the map was taking me on, I had this offline map program that was free or whatever. And, oh, my goodness, it was taking us on all these crazy back roads and dirt roads. And it's telling us to go down these steep hills. And I'm like, what is going on here? And I realized that I had my map setting to avoiding toll roads. So it was trying to avoid all the toll roads and taking me all over creation. On these windy roads, my oldest daughter was getting sick, car sick.

And, and, uh, so it was, it was a rough start and it actually added a few hours to our drive out to where my daughter was. So that kind of sucked. So we didn't get down there until after dark, but, um, so we, we got down there and we stayed in a place that was right on the beach, which was pretty sweet. So first thing in the morning I got up and we stayed in a place that was right on the beach, which was pretty sweet. So first thing in the morning I got up and I mean, this place is just incredible. Like, Osa is pretty cool because it's pretty remote. And so there's not a lot of people down there. And so, I mean, there's wildlife everywhere.

You know, I got up about kind of right with the sun rising and there was like a toucan in the tree behind the house and a bunch of macaws flying over and all sorts of weird birds that I'd never seen before. And, uh, it was, it was really cool. There was a big, uh, basilisk, a brown basilisk living in the tree. So I was walking down the stairs in the morning and there was this big basilisk in the tree, like head nodding, you know, head bobbing at me and stuff. And, um, I was like, this, this is a cool spot, you know? So in that first area, we, we hung out with my daughter, went and saw the school and the kids at the school. I had my camera and I was looking for birds, you know, while we're, we're kind of, um, hanging out at the school. We, we did a trick orreat thing for them, so we brought a bunch of candy, and so the kids

got to trick-or-treat to different stations around the school, so kind of fun, bring a little American goodness to them. Hopefully, you know, promote that diabetes over there, you know, that kind of thing. Diabetes? Eat your soup. So we, you know, it was a good time we we did a boat tour in the gulf hold dulce which is the sweet sweet gulf but that place is like flat there's like no waves out there at all and so we did this boat tour out there went and there were

a bunch of dolphins but on the way out to see the dolphins, the guy's like, oh, there's a snake. And I'm like, a snake? And it was this sea snake, bright yellow, beautiful sea snake. That was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. I'm like, holy crap, this is awesome. And he pulled the boat up next to it and let us take pictures. I was so tempted to jump in there and like swim around with it but um it uh i i did kind of pet it on the tail after i'd taken a few photos of it and and then it started swimming down into the water which looked pretty cool so i got a

video of that but what a cool snake so this was the it's endemic to that area. It's the Gulf Old Dolce sea snake. And pretty exciting to see that. We went and swam with the dolphins. Or not swam with the dolphins, but we watched the dolphins. And then he let us jump in the water because my daughter said if they're calling to each other, you can hear them calling underwater, you know, making the little dolphin noises. So we tried that, but weren't able to hear them. So I think they were a little shy cause they had a baby dolphin with them. And so they kind of kept their distance. They weren't like jumping on the waves of the bow or anything like that. So, um,

we went out and did a little bit of snorkeling around these little islands and saw some cool stuff. My daughter found this big moray eel and just hung out, you know, in the little cave, checking us out and stuff. So got some photos of that. And, um, we went onto the shore that, you know, this little, uh, preserve area and the guy, uh, the boat driver, uh, guide guy, he, uh, um, cracked open a coconut for us so we could drink the coconut water and, and eat some of the coconut. So that was kind of cool. Watch him just open it with a rock. I didn't say a peacock. I didn't say it. So we, you know, came back and as we came back on the shore, there were like all these macaws in the trees right on the beach like right and our and our airbnb was right

on the beach as well so i ran and grabbed my camera and i'm just taking pictures all these macaws and stuff so pretty cool um we uh went so you definitely got your bird nerd on oh yeah i mean there were there were a ton of cool birds uh one day we did a bird tour with a guide this was in monteverde and we saw like 36 species in in a few hours you know there were just birds everywhere we did a night tour um pretty soon after we got into osa at the latarde um preserve and this is you know pretty famous spot for herpers. I had a few people contact me and like, Oh, I've spent a lot of time there. Here's a bunch of reptiles I found, you know, there's a lot of cool stuff down there. So, um, we, we saw a helmeted iguana that was

kind of high on my list to see. Um, we, we also saw this little slug eater snake. I spotted that in the tree, um, a pug nose and all these really cryptic anolis they were pretty cool looking so you know a lot of a lot of frogs a lot of different frogs some of the poison dart frogs um and uh the red-eyed tree frog so tons of herbs i'm trying to put all these up on my Instagram at JGJewlander on Instagram. So you can check out any pictures there if you want to give me a follow. And then, yeah, we did kind of a day and night tour. So during the day tour, it was like an evening and then we went back to the place, had a snack and then went back out to herp at night and so tons of spiders heidi heidi held this whip scorpion thing and and it was like just crawling all over upper arm and stuff i'm

like oh my goodness this is this is much different from the girl i married she's pretty uh brave these days it was pretty cool so are you i know it was awesome. And then we went to – after we did the herp tour, went and the next day did some surfing. So I wanted to surf. I tried like 20, 25 years ago. Yeah. I tried like 20 years ago um in hawaii with a buddy and the waves were just huge and it was over a reef and so i'm like yeah i don't want to get just trashed over this reef so i was kind of wimpy and never really got up so it was a long time coming but yeah we all

got up and all surfed so that was really fun yeah so we totally saw after we we totally saw when when we pulled in uh i was in the navy when i went to costa rica and um there there was there were surfers that were they were pretty much surfing right there on the rocks like it was i mean they would bail before you know it would break too much but like i mean literally these waves would crash into these giant you know rocks yeah and but the waves were looked you know awesome so yeah but yeah it was this this was a fairly good beginner spot but there were some rocks you know it was pretty rocky uh shelf on the beach which is where the waves come from i guess so um great instructor is the Poyo, uh, Poyo surf school or whatever down

in, uh, kind of on the point of the boot of the Yosa peninsula. So yeah, it was a lot of fun. And then we, we actually went back the next day and did some more surfing. And then as we were leaving the beach, um, I look up and there's this like, uh, archway with some greenery, you know, that was kind of hanging over it. And I'm looking and there's like a archway with some greenery, you know, that was kind of hanging over it. And I'm looking and there's like a snake cruising along in this archway thing, just hanging down, waiting for me to just grab it. You know, it was raining fairly hard. And so I grabbed the snake and it's a brown vine snake.

Nice. Yeah, that's what we were looking for down in Arizona for, you know, a bird there in those trees. See, you had to leave the country to find one. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's a much easier find down there compared to southern Arizona. But, yeah, it was really cool to see one. And, I mean, he basically found me. A much easier find?

That's a bold statement, isn't it? I mean, they're more commonly found. You know, people don't spend years looking for them like they do in Arizona. But they're still pretty cryptic. I took a few photos and I didn't have a headlamp. And so it was like in the headlights of the car. And so it wasn't the greatest photos for sure. But didn't have a headlamp as in right then or?

Yeah, right. Dr. Juhlender did not go to, Oh no, no, we, we all had headlamps. So I came prepared. Of course I had the biggest, brightest headlamp of, of all, but, um, no, I got everybody, those coast headlamps for the trip. So the smaller version, but I, cause I had a bigger one and a smaller one. And so I just bought a few more of the smaller ones. But yeah, those are, those are nice headlamps. So on Arizona. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In, in that surf area on the way there, I mean, it was pretty rough road headed out there, but we saw, um,

spider monkeys, howler monkeys, and capuchins all in, all in that one little area. So that was pretty cool. Did you invite them back to your place? Uh, well, yeah. Um, they're actually one of the girls that was, uh, with, uh, Ashley's group was you know the english group teaching teachers whatever um they went on this tour and the guy the guide is like oh if you put some banana on your face the monkeys will come down and lick it off here whatever and one of the monkeys bit the girl and she had to like go home and get you know i know we're like and ashley's like or she's like, yeah, I wasn't going to do that. I don't know what this girl was thinking. She's like, that's okay.

I don't need a monkey to lick me. But yeah, and it bit her. And so she had to go home and get rabies shots and stuff. So yeah, not smart. And I mean, monkey herpes is lethal in humans. If you get a monkey bite, that could be a pretty serious thing. So yeah, stay away from those primates, man. They'll, they'll mess you up. So, um, really cool place. And then, uh, we, we stayed for a few nights in, in this giant tree

house. It was like seven levels of tree house. It was pretty cool. I mean, it rained most of the time, so that was kind of a little bit of a downside. But up on the top level, we were hanging out in the kitchen. And one morning, I wake up, and I hear this little squeaky sound. And it's all these squirrel monkeys. This troop of squirrel monkeys comes over pretty close to the place. So I wake up, look out of the mesh, and there's these squirrel monkeys running around so really cool uh spot to stay in this in this tree house but and it was all open air like one night this giant roach crawled up the tree like it was seriously like the you know a huge roach like bigger than a dubia you know a little little water so yeah it was pretty cool and uh

everybody's like everybody was pretty cool and uh everybody's like everybody was pretty cool about it they weren't too freaked out so i was i was thinking the girls would be a little more but my my girls are pretty tough unless it comes to moths for some reason they get scared of moths it's like what more innocuous creature could you get afraid of compared to a moth but mothra i usually laugh at them there yeah i only teach you about the monkeys because i had a a co-worker that i used to work with when i did landscaping and she was telling me a story i don't remember where she was in south america but she had left they had left a window open and some monkeys broke into the place that they were staying oh my god and completely

fucked the whole place up like smack like like rock star quality trash the place and then rolled out so yeah so that she was she was always like oh yeah dude you totally gotta lock your lock your room up or monkeys will come in and fuck your shit up no way which i always thought was hilarious i just they pulled the call yeah it's just a mental picture of like monkeys just fucking fucking a place up you know what i mean it's just hilarious yeah yeah so yeah we didn't have that happen to us thank goodness that's good that's good um that's good you lose your deposit yeah yeah that that osa is a is a cool place, though. Really pretty wild and still has a bunch of good wildlife down there.

Not very developed. Mostly primary jungle and stuff like that. So the Corcovado National Park is down there. We didn't really get into there very much just because it was – the girls didn't want to do a long hike and so they were being kind of i think heidi and i are going to go back and just really do it upright down there and get some get a good tour into corcovado and see some cool wildlife but fun spot so then we headed up north went up to monteverde into the cloud forest uh did did some more uh i herped a little bit in the night there was this uh coral snake that

was on the road but it had been killed by somebody like there were you know obvious cut wounds you know close to the neck and head so that kind of sucked i got all like excited for a second like oh a coral but then it was dead and you're like ah crap um but didn't didn't see too much out there but i was just kind of walking up and down this road that was close to the Airbnb. So, but there were again, a lot of birds in the morning, saw the, uh, Mott Mott, which was really beautiful bird. Um, that's, this is where we did the birding tour in the morning there and, and saw a ton of cool species, saw the Quetzals, which are, that's probably the the you know the kind of the

crown jewel of the birding world down there just yeah the good spot to see him i guess uh they said only two percent of the people who go into the cloud forest uh see them ever come back no sorry and we and we saw three of them so that was pretty sweet you know really cool um then uh did a did a couple days there we did the zip lining of course went and did a big zipline thing. And there was this side-striped pit viper that was just right in the parking lot area. Awesome. came back this guy's like oh you want to see a snake i'm like heck yeah i want to see a snake and there was this little viper in the tree you know they said yeah it crawled out in the parking lot so the you know the people the workers here put it in this tree and i'm like climbing up into the tree to get pictures with myself on there like sir sir get down from there what are you doing so that's dangerous i'm like i got this it's okay about snakes. Like, don't worry about me. So I put venomous reptiles between my legs on accident all the time.

Um, yeah. So they were not too amused with that, but we went to their little reptile zoo there. So all their stuff was like fat and overfed and like, you know, it was, it was,

they don't know. They just don't know animals yeah but it was cool to see one in the wild for sure even if i had to be shown it but um then we headed over to arnold and we only spent like a you know one night there before we headed back to the airport in san jose but um it was, a really cool spot and I wish we would have spent more time there. Um, we went into the hanging bridges area and did a little bit there. They, there was a, an eyelash viper in one of the trees that, uh, again, a bunch of cool birds, monkeys all over the place. Uh, we found a couple of the strawberry poison arrow

frogs so that was cool to see some um some of those little blue jeans they call them you know the um they're red with the blue legs hind legs um so that was neat uh a lot of cool stuff and then i did this one quick i went quickly on this trail. It costs like 15 bucks to walk this trail, but there was a jumping viper that was just kind of on the side of the trail. They had police tape around the area where the viper was. He's like, yeah, just walk down the trail, look for the police tape, because I asked him if there were any cool reptiles and, and then right at the pond, right by where you buy your ticket or whatever, there was this huge male green basilisk just out, out on the log. It was pretty sweet.

And then all these rare birds cruising around this pygmy Kingfisher was really cool. So yeah, man, we, we saw a ton of ton of wildlife. Yeah. I'm a dillo run around a sloth climbing a tree,

you know know just everywhere you look there's something cool so yeah nice nice i'll be trying to put up a photo a day or maybe two photos a day of of a different thing we saw in costa rica on my instagram so shameless out jgg lander um so yeah we we got back and and on the so we drove down to lax to save 200 bucks uh my favorite yeah all right i fucking hate lax it's it's wonderful that place can fucking die oh my god it's's the fucking worst place. You know Anson. Anson is living down there. He's about five, ten minutes from the airport. So we went over to his place, and he drove us to the airport and kept our vehicle.

So he's a good man that lives right next to a horrible place. Yeah. Nice. How's he doing? He's doing good. Yeah, it was good to see him i mean that was like we found out we were gonna see him and everybody's like all right uncle you know uncle antsy he's fun the kids like to call him but yeah he's he's a cool guy so

that was really fun to see him and hang out with him for a bit because we were a little early so we got to sit and chill and hang out with him. We went and got some dinner with him. And then, man, what a nice guy to keep our vehicle at his place so we didn't have to pay to park. And, yeah, it was cool. And then when we got back, he picked us up and all that good stuff. And we drove from L.A. to St. George. And, oh, my gosh, I hate driving in your freaking state man it just sucks i'm so offended not know how to drive they just plug up all the lanes it's ridiculous they do not get out of the fast lane you can come up behind them going 150 and they just sit there like they

own the lane you got to go around them and no they buy it they buy it with every new car that they get they get exclusive rights to the left lane no matter what anybody else is doing no matter what speed they're going to that yeah yeah they totally stick that even though california has those amber alert signs that says move right for traffic moving faster than you or whatever it says but it's like and and you know what i'm just gonna say this and i hope if there's anybody out there driving a tesla they don't take any offense but tesla fucking drivers are the goddamn worst they sit in the left lane they drive slow and then when you try to go around them they're like ha ha ha look how fast my tesla is

and they won't let you they speed up and yeah yeah and and i've experienced that a couple road rage videos of trucks running people off the road that would be me if i didn't love my truck so much because i fucking hate tesla drivers that do that anyway yeah i totally know what you deal with because i deal with it every day and yes california drivers freaking suck. So we eventually made it to St. George. We got there about 11. And then me and Heidi woke up in the morning, bright and early, about 5.30 and went and hiked the subway in Zion. So I had a buddy, my buddy from Arizona that I went to Mexico with. You said you stayed with friends or where did you stay?

We just stayed in a hotel in St. George. So we dropped Kate off at her apartment. She's living down there. And then we went and did the subway. And I mean, there was snow. There was like several inches of snow at the trailhead. Wait, is this the picture you just posted of you dragging your family along in the snow?

That wasn't my family. I swear to God, I just – It wasn't? It looked like Heidi. Oh, Heidi was there, yeah. It was Heidi and a bunch of friends. The girls stayed at the hotel and slept in. Okay, I couldn't see who was behind Heidi.

Oh, that's right. Yeah, the Sunday selfie on Rob Christian's post. Yes, that's what I saw. That was the trailhead. So we're sloshing through snow but um my friend the only one smiling yeah my friend while we were driving from la my buddy uh texts me he's like hey man there's a lot of snow um we're gonna rent dry suits do you guys want one i'm like yes please and know, coming back from a tropical location to snow is not the, the nicest

wake up call. So, um, welcome back. Yeah, exactly. So we did, so we rented the dry suits and, and I mean, they were really nice. They kept you pretty warm. Although the shoes, um, were great on rock, but they were not good in snow. So we were slipping and I, uh, I slipped. Yeah. Right. It was kind of strange, but I, I slipped in the snow and fell on my backpack and I, uh, I slipped. Yeah. Right. It was kind of strange, but I, I slipped in the snow and fell on my backpack and like, I stand up and like the backpack is really wet and my, you know, I can feel all this moist, you know, wetness on my back. I'm like, and I, and I like smell, it smells like berries or something. And I remember that Heidi had put a Red Bull in the pack. And when I fell, I smashed the Red Bull and it just leaked all over inside the pack.

I'm like, awesome. Let me tell you, it doesn't take much to puncture a Red Bull and get it to wear all over the back of Steve's car. Oh, man. So, yeah, that was a little rough. Take that, Justin. Yeah. But then we dropped down in the canyon and then it's like there are different places you had to swim. But it was completely, it was just, you know, it was nice and comfortable.

We had our clothes on in the dry suits, you know, and so it wasn't bad at all. And hiked the subway. Now the subway portion where it gets its name is like just kind of this circular, like where the water is blasted through this narrow canyon and so it's like narrow up top and then kind of goes into this subway round you know cylindrical shape um on the bottom so it's kind of cool you're almost going through a tunnel but it's kind of open at top it's really a canyon um and then uh but after that point it's just i mean it's still beautiful but it's kind of walking along the stream side in and out of the water for over rocks and you know up and around the trail and stuff for about four miles so it's like it's starting to get dark and we're like oh man we got to get

out of here and then um the i feel like every one of your hikes goes into one of these types of situations where it's like now we're losing the sun, we're in a sketchy place, could it go bad? Dun, dun, dun! Yeah. We expected it to, I mean, we knew it was a nine and a half mile thing, but it was like, it just, you know, four and a half miles keeps going and going and going. And you're just like, when is this going to be over? Because it's kind of a slog out of there but we pass this giant rock and it's like this uh old ancient um stream bed or whatever and there are all these dinosaur tracks crisscrossing it there's like a uh you know

carnivorous what there so whatever you know just like a uh meat eater you know, just like a, a meat eater, you know, the, the three, three toed tracks. And then there's the, like the round, like brontosaurus type, you know, I can't think of the names I'm my brain's fried, but anyway, we saw that. And then, you know, a few miles later, the trail out of there is like pretty much just straight up this, this cliff, right? So you're like switchbacking up and, and, uh, that was a little rough and, and we had to get the suits back, the dry suits back by like seven or else we had to pay for another day basically. And so we were three of us ran kind of up this trail and got to the shuttle vehicles and went back up to the trail, had to pick up the, the shuttle cars and went back up to the trailhead to pick up the shuttle cars

and then bring those back down where everybody was exiting the canyon. And so it worked out nicely. The timing was great because we got right back as they had started up or made it up to the top and were taking off all their dry suits and stuff. And so we just threw them in the truck and got them down back in time. See what I mean? see what I mean? See what I mean? It worked out.

It was a great journey. Justin pulls it out. It all works out great. Well, this was a group effort. You know, it was 10 of us there. So they were all adults and I was just along for the ride. I wasn't leading or anything. But even though I'd done the hike like four times.

You said they were all adults? Like, do you not count yourself as an adult in that group? No, no. Okay. I'm very much not an adult. All right, man, baby. All right. So, yeah, that's my trip report, and I'm sticking to it.

Nice. That's a good trip. Yeah. Yeah, it was good. And then I came home and started feeling a little under the weather. And so I have this procedure next week. And they said, you know, you need to get COVID tested if you have any symptoms. I'm like, I've got a little sore throat. And so I went and got a COVID test and got the results today. And they're like, yeah, you're positive. Dang it. What the crap? So anyway, what do you do? So I'm going to be working from home for the next couple of days. And I had to postpone my procedure till January. That's the lame part.

Yep. So now I got to look forward to that again. Luckily, it was before I'd gotten into all the prep stage and all that. I've heard it's pretty rough. So I didn't want to do that and then have them say, ah, you got COVID nevermind. You can't come.

So I'm glad at least we found out before all that. Well, for a man with COVID, you look pretty okay. Oh, I don't feel that sick. I guess we're, I mean,

we're vaccinated and stuff, so it's not too bad, but yeah, you can still get it. And hopefully I haven't passed it on to anybody. I found out in the middle of this training meeting with like 30 other people. So I went out and took the call because I'd taken a home test last night and the home test said it was negative. And so I'm like, okay, I don't have COVID, you know, great.

I can just see you going back in like, you know guys well no i was hanging out in the hallway and somebody's like where's justin like he's in the hallway and i'm like uh i just found out i have covid so i don't want to expose you any more than i already have so i so i left you know i just took off so i'm like you might want to keep an eye on your symptoms. Oh, my God. Yeah, good times. What are you going to do, man? I know. What can you do?

Yeah. Not much you can do. Give your coworkers COVID. That's what you can do. Exactly. Yeah. So, you know, it's been an eventful week. Yeah.

Came back and had a bunch more orders for the book. I mean, it's so nice to see it being so well received and been an exciting time for that. So I'm only down to a couple cases. Like I've sold the majority of the books that I brought home. So that's been really nice. I really appreciate it i saw your australia shipment made it so yeah yeah got a huge order and i just sent a bunch more out to her uh yesterday so that's been good or that's sweet i mean yeah when is when you know, what is when? Whenever this releases, who knows what day it will be.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I got you. I see what you're saying. You're saying when will then be now? Exactly. Yeah. Probably not soon.

Soon. Not soon. Maybe soon. I don't know. We'll see. Well, Eric's back from Australia. That's true. That was fun to hear about the trip there. Yeah.

The gears should be grinding again. God knows they ground to a halt with Owen running the show. No, I can't. Old Mac and Wookie. He's newly married. I've given him a break. I don't think editing podcasts was ever his was ever his stup so no not so my eric's eric's running the show there so yeah maybe uh maybe we could talk to owen's wife

and kind of get him whipped into gear oh to be more we all know who's running the show exactly we just need to talk to her and then we can get it figured out get on being productive member of society again uh well should we uh fight you want to fight about something well you have to tell me what we're fighting about oh okay because i drum roll please no i i thought a fun topic would be to talk about knowledge in the age of information. So we have everything at our fingertips, and a lot of old school guys are like, ah, these new kids, they don't know Jack. And in my day, you had to read a book to learn anything. And so I'm wondering, what do you think if, if, uh, today's keepers know more, if they're better prepared because they can learn things, you know, easier, find, find information a little easier, or if it, you know, putting in that effort and putting in that work, um, actually helps you gain more knowledge and, and retain it a little better

because you had to work for it and you really had to want it, that kind of thing. This is a good topic. I actually, I don't know if anybody caught it, but yesterday, Bill Bradley, one of my favorite human beings, was on Reptile Gumbo and they were kind of talking about this and kind of touched on this, a bunch of different topics. If you haven't heard it, it's great. I do have to say, though, I made a joke because we were talking about Florida or something.

And I made a joke about Phil Wolf because he lives in Florida being weird. weird but then he read the comment live but he didn't put any of like the emoji laughing like part of it so there's just like a random part where chuck says phil wolf is weird and i'm like it's not what i said exactly like hold on so phil we're so cool man you're not weird i was just kidding so just gotta get that out there. How dare you take pot shots at Philly? Listen, Phil's not a man to mess with. He's the wolf. You know what I'm saying?

You don't mess with the wolf. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And, you know, he's already willing to break kneecaps for me. What would he do if he felt betrayed by me? You know what I'm saying? You don't go against the family that's correct i'm gonna get frayed out over here so phil it was all a big misunderstanding so phil is not weird he's yeah just had to put that out and by the way congratulations to phil he

he just got engaged how how exciting for him i didn't know that yeah yeah definitely congratulations pop the question and i she said yes so good good job buddy that was this did you see this on social media or how did you know this um he i think i first saw it at the chat but he also posted on instagram i believe wow i saw it i and i think I follow Phil. What the fuck, dude? What is going on? What the fuck is wrong with me? Maybe he blocked you for that heartless comment. No, I don't think he'd be.

He'd be the kind to address it like head on. Like, hey, man, what are you doing? What did you say about that for? You know, like he'd try to get understanding first before he like jumped to conclusions or got all pissed off. Yeah, dude. He's pretty level-headed, man. That guy, he's got his head on his shoulders. Yeah.

Yeah. He's cool. He's one of the good ones, man. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I think it's a worthwhile topic, I think. There's a lot of the old man get off my lawn attitude about younger kids these days. That attitude's in this fight? I'm here for the fun, man. the old man get off my lawn attitude about younger kids these days. And I don't know.

I'm here for the fun. Definitely. It could definitely take a seat, you know, in, in, in the bus of this fight. Um, so without further ado,

let's flip a coin and let's see what side you want. You ready? Ah, that's, that's, uh, that's heads. Nope.

It is tails. Oh, man. You have lost your mojo in the flipping department. I'm going to say it's easier to get information nowadays. And people that can have that easy access to information can gain knowledge quicker. So wait, so we're not just – So you're kind of arguing the old school point of view like you had to work for it and it's better because you had to work harder for it, that kind of thing. I'm taking the side that you have everything at your fingertips you can get that knowledge easier and have a broader knowledge base because there's more information

available I'll take that why don't you lead us out of course I'm going to check you alright well obviously anybody who's been on the Internet can see, even though we have more information available to us now more than ever, so much of it is

just shite. There's no impetus to put out correct information. And now that we're in the age of information and instant communication, everybody's a freaking expert. So everybody is talking, well, this and that, based on terms about how great or how true what they do is. And I think that's probably one of the biggest issues is that people have to know enough to know how to sift through information to know whether they're getting good information or bad information. Sure, there's plenty of information out there, but social spaces of the internet, you know, has put together, you know, information that maybe draws grains of truth from places here and there, but has, you know, a fundamental fact left out of it that just kind of invalidates it. And so if you

follow it, it sounds all logical or whatever, but you're misled at a point and you come to the wrong conclusion. And so you really have to kind of know you have to be educated behind all of that information to be able to spot the BS. You know what I mean? So if you just go in saying, oh, well, yes, I read this and it was by this doctor, whoever. Well, I mean, you're a doctor. You know how we got chiropractors talking about virology, right? I mean, I believe we had this conversation, but his name is still doctor whatever. But and so, you know, he's got some credibility as a doctor.

But oh, by the way, he cracks backs and doesn't do anything with viruses. So it's like I get the idea that we have more access and probably more – the sheer volume of information that we have available to us is is vastly greater than it was you know when when i was a teenager oh yeah you know but that doesn't mean that uh people are more educated or better off necessarily just because that's there. I mean, of course, I agree that just having information available doesn't necessarily make it easier because you do have to sift through nonsense sometimes. And I think, you know, a big indicator, if somebody is new or anytime you see somebody who thinks they know it all, or, or they're, they're sure of something, or they speak in absolutes, there's, it's probably because they're new and because they have very little knowledge, the more knowledge you gain, the more, you know, you don't know a lot, you know,

and that there's so much more to learn and understand. But I would say, but I would say that somebody like Frank Payne, I don't want to say he speaks in absolutes, but he says, this is the way you do this because Frank's pain is, is so good at it that that is, that is probably the way you do that in, in a in a long-term successful way um but there's also people who are definitely not frank pain who say stuff like that and it's kind of like how do you how do you separate the frank pain from the awful jackass you know what i mean yeah and and i i think we've had discussions in this regard where you know like care sheets are care sheets a good thing and and a lot of these things get perpetuated over a long time

because they are in in in a form of of care sheet on the net and they're easily accessed regardless of how great the information is you know just because it's available doesn't necessarily mean it's, it's the greatest information. And, and I think, you know, as, as you, as you're, as you're gaining knowledge or, or learning more things, it definitely helps to read everything. I'm not saying, even if it, even if it could be a garbage, you know, care sheet, I think you still want to read it just to, you know, cause there still can be some, some good, even in these, in these documents. But I, I, I will say too, but just because, um, and a lot of these things came from the older generation that said, this is how you do it. And

this is the only way to do it. And if you deviate from this, you're an idiot. And if you try this, then you're stupid because you know, why would you try anything different than what I said and how it works for me? You know, so I don't think that's a new thing with the information age. I think it's just a human thing, you know? Yeah, you still got people out there who want to be the man, right? And by being the man, you got to know. And because you're the man and you got to know, this is my word is the word. And so you got to do it the way I say you're going to do it or you're the man and you got to know this is, this is my word is the, is the word. And so you got to do it the way I say you're going to do it or you're wrong.

You know, I think, you know, I mean, that's an oversimplification of it, but that, you know, that there's a, there is a prevalence to that attitude in the quote unquote experts out there, the expert keepers out there. And, and two, I mean, that may not be completely on them because like we said, they didn't know certain things. They didn't have these publications that showed them insights into the natural history of animals. And that was one of the big reasons I wanted to write that, um, green tree Python book is that, um was all this uh misinformation in some regard which was the maybe i would say the best information that they had at the time you know but you know statements like a female green tree python needs to be a thousand grams before you breed her and

then you hear somebody like daniel nat, who's, who's researching these things in the wild. And he says, I've never seen a female over a thousand grams in the wild, you know, and, and they reproduce it three to 400 grams regularly, you know, that, that makes you go, wait a second. We're, we're, we have a disconnect here, you know, and, and, you know, maybe that somebody's in somebody's experience with, with, uh, imported green trees, that's when it worked for them. And so they'd say, okay, to the best of my knowledge, they need to be over 1,000 grams, that kind of thing. But they don't say to the best of my knowledge. They say, it needs to be over 1,000 grams to breed.

And we keep them at 90 degrees. But then you go to green tree python habitat, and it's like, oh, it's 75 degrees all the time. You know, it doesn't deviate much. It goes like from 70 to 80 pretty much consistently all year round. And so you're like, why are we getting up to 90 degrees? This is, you know, not, not healthy for them and not good for them and burns them out quicker. And so, you know, those kinds of things, but, but I wouldn't have known to think of that if I hadn't visited their area. And if I hadn't read these, um, research papers, you know, that studied them in the wild. Um,

so, you know, the more you read and the more you, uh, look into these things and the more that's actually, you know, that's published because this wasn't published until, you know, maybe the mid two thousands and with, uh, latest papers within a few years, you know, on, on green tree pythons or some of these things. And so, you know, we, we learn as we go and, and we build on, on a base of knowledge. And so, um, a lot of those things that are, you know, in the green tree python book, they may be a little bit out of date, of course, because they've reorganized the group and there's a different taxonomic arrangement and stuff. And this is the things that people that were really into Green Tree indicate where they were from or their pattern or things like that. So, you know, there's, I think there is some benefit to being, you know, to learning in this day and age.

And I don't think that has to do with any kind of age. I think if you have a mind to learn things, and I guess I would count myself in that as I'm still learning. I'm still learning new things and trying to find out different things. And so I wouldn't say I'm some experienced great pinnacle or somebody to look up to. I think there's plenty of things that I could learn and change and do better in my keeping. So, you know, I think we can all acknowledge that there's a lot more to learn and we can keep going and developing new techniques and things like that.

But at the same time, you got to have some point where you say, you know, this is how I'm going to do it. This is my protocol or whatever and this is what works um and then maybe tweak things along the way figure out more this is my peak better ways there you go uh so please allow me to retort yes yes please so so i think i mean you gave some good examples of how like we see you know outdated knowledge uh that that seems to you know um that we all yeah that we all know is not good and unfortunately you know as much as we would like to say that that the internet is such a churn of information that like the old mp days of days of finding old posts and stuff are gone

and that information is gone. It seems like a lot of that bad information sticks around on the internet and it's there. And so it's about who's accessing what and how they're getting – how they're interfacing with that information. And, and, and I think, you know, it goes back to kind of what, what was kind of brought up yesterday when Bill Bradley was on reptile gumbo. And I forget exactly what they were taught. Oh, so they were kind of like,

yeah, they were kind of like yeah they were kind of you know um poo-pooing how people just follow kind of the the care sheet mentality of like the animal has to be 87 degrees but i can only get the cage to 86 degrees i can't get it to 87 degrees and you know that's i can't keep this animal properly if i can't get it to 87 degrees and i think that's because they you know that they're they're reading something they're reading information and maybe that information is 100 correct but they lack such a deeper fundamental understanding of the animal that they're keeping. And the, the, and, and I think everybody who has started keeping animals realizes that they lacked that deeper understanding. And as they gained more experience, they were ready for greater levels of knowledge. So what I'm saying to you is that I don't think that those higher levels of knowledge, even though they're accessible to people on the Internet now at their fingertips, you have to be ready to receive that knowledge.

Right. Like it does. If you if you are stuck on a care sheet and you're like, okay, what do I need to do? Cause I don't know what to do. I got to just figure this out. Okay. Here's this thing that tells me keep them at this temperature and do this and do that. That's the, the, the level of information that you're ready to uptake that you're ready for, but, but that, that deeper knowledge that you're going to gain down the road, uh, that deeper understanding has to come from, from, you know, just more experience and, and becoming more involved and, and, and, you know, gaining that, that deeper understanding. And like, because, you know, I mean, so how, how do you get from, how do you get from, you know, a care sheet to keeping animals outside? Like, how do you do that? Is that, is that, is that the internet that does that for you? Is that, you know, and, and, and, and although some of that comes from there,

like it comes from multiple sources over time and experience and you're not somebody who would just come into the hobby and then say, I want to keep my animal outside. There is so much science and understanding of multiple disciplines that you need to integrate in order to make that happen. It's too much for most people you'd have to be a smart motherfucker to do that right out of the gate you know what i mean so but that whole like smart motherfucker out the gate that's just somebody who's smart no matter what but they carried that knowledge with them right you see what i mean so it's like i think i think the internet is amazing for accessing knowledge and i think you can gain knowledge from it but it's not instant knowledge because you have to be at the right spot in what you do to be ready for that knowledge. Does that make sense?

Yeah, I mean, you still have to do the work and you still have to understand it. But I mean, when I was looking for knowledge, I had to wait until I was down at the U of U, you know, university library. And I could go and access these journals and go down in the basement and get into the card catalog and look up, you know, university library and I could go and access these journals and go down in the basement and get into the card catalog and look up, you know, I mean, it wasn't an easy thing. You had to kind of leaf through the issues and look for articles that you were interested in. I mean, and I couldn't just do it anytime I wanted. Now, if I, if I look up articles on Google scholar and usually you can access them immediately, you know, for free. Um, sometimes I have to wait and get, you know, order them through my university, but so it might take two days, but I have all that stuff pretty much

instantaneously at my fingertips. But that's not the argument, right? That's not the argument. The argument isn't that we just have, cause I can't argue that we, of course, we have more access to knowledge now than we did. Yeah, but what I'm saying is we can learn quicker. I think it doesn't, back then or now, you could learn maybe the same things if you had access to them. But getting that access or going to a place, you had to go to a physical location that had that resource. Now you have it at the touch of your phone and you can access it from just about anywhere. So you're able to learn more rapidly and, you know, gain more information quickly than you would be back in the day. I mean, yeah, you might, you might,

it might slow you down to have to sift through all the garbage that's out there as well. But I mean, if you're, if you're used, like I said, if you're using Google scholar that's just going to bring up research articles or, or things like that. And that's not to say that every research article is the same caliber or the same level, but for the most part, the stuff that comes up on that. Or that somebody who is not seasoned at reading research articles can uptake that information. I mean, sure. Yeah. It still, it still helps to have some background education on how to read or digest a scientific –

And I agree with you to an extent. I think that the accessibility of information can compress that time that it takes you, become much more proficient in your knowledge base. It has that opportunity. But, you know, I think to somebody like Lucas, and I wonder if he wouldn't have been in Dr. Lofman's classes and been guided in those ways? Would the internet have put him in the same spot? Or does having somebody who already has so much knowledge because they've acquired it, whether it's through the expeditious means of modern technology or the good old fashioned way of just reading books and growing up and accumulating knowledge. Would Lucas be, you know, could he compress to and, and, and

like, say there's no Dr. Loafman, and then there's a parallel universe where there's a Dr. Loafman. Yeah. And like, would, would those two Lucases be the same caliber of keeper that they are because I think he's an excellent example of somebody who's keeping at a very, very high level for how young want to diminish how significant somebody like Dr. Lofman would be in somebody's life, just because I've had professors and people who've really lit my fire, taught me how to process information and do, and, and, and, and, you know, different professors from different disciplines that have pulled things together for me, where I wouldn't have pulled those strings together myself. I wouldn't have been able to do that. I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't have threaded those needles without some help. No, I agree with you there. I mean, I think we all have those mentor or role model folks in our lives that kind of sped our journey along and gave us information. And I think that that needs to continue. I'm really proud. I'm really proud

to be that guy for you, Justin. I really am. Thank you. I mean, I couldn't have done without you, Chuck. But we, you know, we still need to network and talk to different breeders. And it makes it easy when you have a common interest in certain species. And I get that. I'm sure you do, too, where people contact you and say, hey, I see you're working with this. Let's talk about this. Or can I call you and pick your brain, that kind of thing. And I think that needs to. And that may have gone down a little bit.

I think as we enter this information age, we do see less sociality or less networking in some ways. Back in the day, you didn't really have another choice. The only way to meet other herpers was to get on your dial-up phone, dial their number with your rotary phone or whatever and call them and talk to them. Why do I see Nick Mutton just spinning the rotary phone? There wasn't an option to text or to message or to email. You had to either write a letter physically or you had to either write a letter physically or you had to give them a call on the phone. And so much, much different situation there. But, you know, and it seems like as we have more access to these easier forms of communication, we actually talk on the phone much less and we interact in person much less. It's very

truncated or just, you know, through email or through messenger or something like that. So I don't know if that's a good thing or not. Um, I mean, you know, it's, it's, uh, I think, I think, I think the other big part to this is that the information age is paradoxical in the fact that the more access you have to information and the more it's out there, the lazier people seem to be about getting that information. You using the example of having to go to the library and get into the Dewey decimal system and find all these things and the, and people have it right at their, at their fingertips and they don't, you know, there's so much, I mean, they could really, we could really, really, really be digging into research articles and, and, and, you know, but it,

you know, nobody, nobody goes into those research articles and does that stuff, except for a few reptile nerds such as yourself, such as, you know, the hyper, you know, the hypers like, you know, and maybe a that when the big nerds go and accumulate this research and put out a book, people do go buy that book. And that's a service and you're aggregating that information and presenting it to them in a very digestible way. But all that information is available to them right now. They don't go digest. They don't go digest. They don't go out and seek it out. They wait for something. And hey, man, the book's got pictures.

It's – I'm not – I hope you don't think I'm like being negative about it. I'm just saying like all that research they could go get, it's on the internet. It's there. It's available to them. But they don't. They don't. Either they don't know it's there, which kind of goes to my argument of maybe the age of information doesn't translate until you're ready to take it up and if somebody can condense it into a nice book and give you all this information with the pretty pictures and lay it all out for you and it's nice

easy reading then then they're ready for that information so maybe the more complete carpet python is a way for for for for someone like yourself to leap people's informational readiness forward in huge heaves. Yeah. And I mean, we reference all the information that we quote from these articles. We put the reference to that article in the book. So you can get into the, you know, look at the primary literature where we got that information from and and you know look at it yourself and see if you agree with our assessment you know nothing's um permanent or some you know dogma or anything we can we can discuss those kind of things you know and

so just because it's our interpretation of the data doesn't necessarily mean it's, it's, uh, the fast, firm, you know, solid truth or whatever. So, and, and, and, you know, going back again, I'll just go back to stuff. Bill Bradley said last night on reptile gumbo, what, what are people doing? Are they, are they listening to the very few reptile nerds like Bill and yourself and, and, and, you know, Eric and, you know, no, they're watching YouTube and people who are, you know, sensationalists and clickbaity, you know, that's what the predominance is. It's not petty, intellectual, you know, information-based people. So, you know, here's your biggest like issue with the idea that with all this information, we're still interested in the jackassery of herpetoculture,

you know? Oh man, that's a, that's a pretty good point. And it's, I mean, I'd like to say that that's not the truth, but it just seems like and i i mean i find myself in in that sometimes it's a lot easier to watch a video and just be entertained and you know watch watch some funny little thing happen i mean i i get it it's just you know and again it goes back to my thing about but it doesn't the age of information is paradoxical when when you don't have this information humans thirst for information right but yeah but when you don't have this information humans thirst for information right but yeah but when you don't have it they thirst for it but when it's all there when it's all there and it's at your phone you can get it on your watch you could get it in any way you want

it then they're lazy as shit about it because it's like well i don't need to know that i could just i don't know find it out somehow or I don't know, whatever. So all of a sudden, it's like a, you know, so people used to be the treasure trove of information. Now the internet is the treasure trove of information and people could care less about filling their vessel with information because it's all out there. I don't need to know that. I can just look it up. I can just do this. I can do that. And the problem with that is you don't grow when you don't fill your vessel with information. I think that's my big issue with it. Yeah. No, I, I, you know, I can't, I can't deny that. I mean, I think the level of effort and work is maybe – it's the same. You still got to read the information once you find it.

I mean, maybe finding it back in the day was a little more difficult and a little – you had to drive somewhere and physically pick up the book, whereas now you can download it and read it, but you still have to read it. You still have to put in the effort. You still have to put in the work. And I, you know, I don't think that will ever change. So regardless of how accessible information is now, the other thing is, is, is we maybe read one, one article or one thing, and we think we know a subject, you know, know? And that goes back to what I was saying previously is like people who think they know it all obviously haven't read very much. They haven't looked into it very much because if the more you learn, the more you learn, you don't know a lot.

You know, I was, I don't know, I'm, I'm shocked at my ignorance. Like I think, and I think we all should be a little bit aware of our ignorance and humble in the fact that there's so much to know and nobody can know it all. You can gain quite a bit of knowledge, but usually the more you acquire, it's usually more focused in on a certain subject you know so you could know like you know i i know quite a bit about a subset of viruses you know like two or three viruses i know a lot about those but when it comes to the other you know like a bacteriophage or something i don't know jack about those you know i could well i could fill a book with what i don't know you're kind of an expert in that narrow part of your field i think you would also say like there's so much oh yeah still learn i think so so if you take very simple things we don't know yeah you take

all those people in all those like very very very specialized forms of whatever their discipline or interdiscipline is. They all say the same thing is this is kind of what we know now, but there's so much. Here's a piece of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know,

as the years go by, we gain more information and we learn more things. And, and I mean, that's the beauty of it is, is you can come along and make a significant contribution. You can come up with novel ideas and novel things and test those and learn about them and see if that fits with the larger picture. And,

and that's, you know, that's, that's what more people need to do. I think a lot of times we say, ah, every, you know, it's, everything's known, everything's out there. And like, to your point, you know, everything's accessible. I i can all i have to do is google it and i can find out anything that's not necessarily true the deeper you go the more more you're looking into things you know and so um that that but but at the same time there are a lot of the pieces to you know things that will guide you to novel information that are out there. And if you don't know those pieces, it's going to make it a lot more difficult to discover new and novel ideas, right?

If that makes sense. Yeah. I guess as an example, thinking about writing the book, most of the stuff in the complete carpet Python is just either stuff, you know, we figured out through trial and error, like how to keep a carpet Python alive and happy and maybe get some eggs from it. And then other things like what's in the published literature and you know, what, what other people have published or discovered. And we're just basically compiling that now novel thoughts those are a little more

further and you know fewer and further between um but one that i was really excited about and it was kind of one of those uh you know whoa i you know light bulb moments was was the idea that the you know the um water drainage basins matched up with kind of the genetic breaks in the carpet python work that had been done. So somebody else did the genetic work and somebody else figured out where the water basins were. And I put those two things together and said, oh, Eureka, you know, maybe distribution of carpet pythons or taxonomy of carpet pythons has something to do with how they distributed and how these different barriers keep them apart and things like that. And a lot of the progress that we see in science now is coming through interdisciplinary collaborations where people who are expert in their fields start to lay things over and they make connections across other disciplines and aha moments happen. Fill your vessel with knowledge across lots of different subjects because very rarely do you reach any type of wisdom by singularly focused pursuits of knowledge. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I don't know. And, you know, we need to think about things more and ponder things, you know, and like, uh, just because you read something doesn't mean you, you have internalized it or, you know, it, or, or you can, uh, put it to put it into practice. You know, sometimes that takes more effort and, and, uh, you know, we can know a lot of things and not know anything at the same time. So, uh, but, but also applying that knowledge is what kind of leads to wisdom, I would think, you know? And so when we talk about wisdom in the, the age of information,

um, you can know a lot of facts and you can know a lot of things, but until you put that into practice and until it, it yields a positive result, you don't really have that wisdom or that, you know, true knowledge. So, but I guess that can be the same in any age. And I think I would say, let's... And most people who are wielding wisdom say they don't have a lot of knowledge. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and they, because they know they don't. Exactly. They recognize how deep knowledge goes. knowledge yeah yeah well and and they because they know they don't yeah exactly they recognize how deep knowledge goes and i you know one of the one of the biggest things about the the herp trips that you know i've been doing over the last you know five ten years is is spending time with

like-minded individuals in the field, just chatting about different ideas and different things and different methods and, you know, those kinds of things that, that getting back to the basics and, and communication and, and just kind of saying, you know, here, here's what I'm thinking of. How do you see it? Or what, what is, you know, what's your take on this? And do you have any, anything else to add to what I'm thinking and, you know, let's grow together kind of in our conversation. And I think, you know, that's very hard to replace and you can really get some synergy in a thought, you know, and ideas and, and novel things. And, you know,

when you're discussing things out in the field and I've had some wonderful conversations, present company included, you know, with, with you and with Eric and Keith Mc conversations present company included you know with with you and with you know eric and and keith mcpeak and you know all sorts of all these guys steve i mean steve's a wealth of information and i i really like talking to steve because he usually has a terry phillip is another one of those guys where like every time i talk to him i come away with some cool idea or another and i don't talk to him enough i wish we'd talk more you know i'm always i'm always blown away every time every time i've ever talked to terry is just like he's on such a level he's just on a level dude yes so and and shares very freely and openly with everybody. And, you know, he's just, I don't know. I, I, you know, my kind of, my kind of, you know, and it's, that's kind of the, that we need to get

back to that discussion, you know, talking with people and bouncing ideas off each other. And I think, you know, reptile shows are another good avenue for that. You know, you can go up and chat with your favorite breeder at their table or whatnot and, and ask them questions and get information and tell stories, you know, hear herping stories or hear observations in the field and things like that. And that can help, uh, build our knowledge base, you know, all those kinds of things add up and, and give us more knowledge and, and hopefully, uh hopefully allow us to implement that knowledge and, and gain wisdom. So,

amen. Yeah. But I, you know, I do think having everything kind of at your fingertips gives you a great resource, but you have to, you have to use that resource.

Absolutely. Not, not, not, not an arguable thing there. Yep. I don't know. We reached the conclusion of our discussion. Anything else to add? I've said what I had to say.

Okay. We did get a little feisty Chuck out there, didn't we? Not as feisty as you threatened, but you know. I don't, I, yeah. I don't want to overwhelm you. You just got back. You were just. Yeah. Don't beat up on me too much, man. That's correct. You're already in a weakened state because of your, your, your, your COVID diagnosis diagnosis so i don't want to

you know yeah yeah i can't do that to you okay i appreciate it i appreciate you're a gentleman hey take the next five days off work on me okay yeah all right sounds good you'll pay my salary that's not what i said that's not what i said. That's not what I said. Remember, I live in Utah, so it should be pretty easy to cover for you rich Californians. Oh. All right. Well, I don't know. I thought that was a worthwhile conversation. A good conversation, sure. Yeah. And I think there's plenty of great examples out there of young people coming up and saying, you know, the generation before me has done a good job, but I can add to this. I can, you know, figure things out from here. I can maybe see a better way of doing things.

And I think that's encouraged, right? That's how it should be. The next generation should be smarter than the one that preceded it, because hopefully they're building off of what, what came before them. You know, it's sad when we go backwards and we start thinking that we know everything and that there's nothing new to learn. And I mean, I, I heard a story of, uh, it was the Arbo, um the insect the mosquito research um at harvard or one of the ivy league institutions you know big big university shut down their mosquito research unit back in like the 50s because ddt came out and they were gonna eradicate mosquitoes so what's the point

of learning about them anymore? Because we're just going to wipe them out, you know. A little short-sighted, maybe. A little short-sighted. Yeah, exactly. So, you know. Kind of a miscalculation on that part, huh? We don't want to wind up in that position where like, ah, you know, this thing's going to be extinct.

Why do we care about it? Why are we going to learn about it? You know, that's kind of funny. Keep learning, people. Keep learning. And let's learn together. Let's chat and discuss cool topics. Come on the show.

Come chat, you know, come fight your ideas with us that's the way we all grow we can all grow together I've got a we'll set up a show with somebody that had a show idea that's a lot of fun when people

have their ideas and bring them on the show for better or worse it's good to get on here and talk it out, discuss your ideas and your points and have a fun time doing it. Yeah, we're a platform for you to kick ass. Sorry, Justin's coughing right now. Sorry.

Yeah, there you go. All right, he's back. Hasn't been too bad, but it's – I don't know. I don't know if it's knowing that you have it and then it makes it worse or something. My daughter had COVID not that long ago and she was a little sick, but not bad. And then she caught something after COVID that was horrible. Like her cough was horrible. Some of those secondary bacterial infections can be much worse than viruses.

You know, it's crazy. Well, she sounded like she was going to puke. It's terrible. Yeah. Well, we appreciate our listener out there listening to Reptile Fight Club and thanks

for your support. You can find Chuck and I on social medias. I'm on Instagram at JGJulander. On Facebook is Justin Julander or Australian Addiction Reptiles or Reptile Fight Club. You can message us on those. Be patient. I'm not the best sometimes at getting answering messages on some

of the different platforms. I generally check, you know, the Facebook messenger most frequently, that's where, but sometimes I forget that there's like message requests and kind of in the wings waiting for me to answer. So be patient. If you, if you message us, don't, don't get too frustrated if we don't get back to you too quickly. Justin has more time this week than normal, but yeah. Well, now I'm going to be working from home, so I still got the same workload. No free ride then, huh? Exactly. How about you, man?

Where are people finding old Chuck out there? Yeah, I'm IG as Chuck Norris Wins, or you can just find me as Chuck Poland on Facebook. So... Cool. Well... Stop by. Say hi. Yeah.

Well, thanks for listening and we'll catch you next week for another episode of Reptile Fight Club. Night night. Night night. Night Night Voice Club. Thank you. Outro Music