Reptile Fight Club - The Pros & Cons of Being Married to a Herper.

Episode Date: July 15, 2022

In this episode, Justin and Chuck tackle the topic of the pros & cons of being married to a Herper with special guest, Hedi Julander. Who will win? You decide. Reptile Fight Club!Follow Justin Julander @Australian Addiction Reptiles-http://www.australianaddiction.comFollow Chuck Poland  on IG @ChuckNorriswinsFollow MPR Network on:FB: https://www.facebook.com/MoreliaPythonRadioIG: https://www.instagram.com/mpr_network/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtrEaKcyN8KvC3pqaiYc0RQMore ways to support the shows.Swag store: https://teespring.com/stores/mprnetworkPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/moreliapythonradio==============================

Welcome to the episode of Reptile Fight Club. Time to fight. Kind of. I'm Justin Julander, your host, and with me, as always, and as evermore, Mr. Chuck Poland. Evermore? What is evermore? Evermore. I'm evermore with you.

As long as the podcast lasts, you're the guy. So, you can't ditch out on me. It's a declaration. It sounds like a declaration i agree all right and we have a special guest with us here in in studio you all know her you all love her well i love her the most they can't see us though you're good they can just hear you but uh chuck can see you yeah that's okay i didn't do my hair so i've got mine's all flat yeah i got work hair so it's good nobody can see us but we just outed ourselves anyway but yeah that's fine it's fine all right well if you haven't guessed this is my wife Heidi. We brought her on for a special topic about being married to a herper.

So we'll see how this goes. I get to fight my wife. Yes, which is good because I don't want to fight you on this topic. We've had 25 years of fighting experience. So, yeah, we've gotten pretty good at it. So the question is, Justin is so competitive and likes to be a braggart, basically, about how he beats me in all

of these fights. Such a braggart about it. I just want to know if he's a braggart when he loses the arguments to you, Heidi. When I lose? I let him win a lot you let him win a lot to avoid that same situation so i so deep down i know that i really have won yeah yeah so so basically his overconfidence is and and in in him beating me is a result of you two, of Justin's false assertion that he's always the winner. Oh, man.

This may have been a mistake, folks. I might have just sealed my doom. Yeah, we got a tag team going on. All right. It was your idea, dude. Yeah it was yeah so yeah i'm going out of town next week and uh so we needed to record and heidi was close by and she agreed to do this i think it's an interesting topic so yeah we'll see how it goes. But, yeah. So what's going on in your world? Well, a lot of residency stuff at Utah State University.

So if kids are trying to get their stuff done on time, I'm going to sneeze. Oh, that's nice. Good one. Not very loud sneeze. That's a little sneeze. That was a little that was a little so yeah my garden is going pretty good nice i planted about 60 tomato plants whoa look at you and so yeah yeah we're not gonna have any room to store all the tomatoes are we heck yes we are okay in your in your stomach yeah that's that's why that's why when when once they start popping off, man, it is all tomatoes all the time for you for a while.

And our growing season is kind of short here, so we've got a lot of green tomato salsa and stuff like that. Well, I'll grow them, and then when I'm done, I just pluck the whole plant, and I make green tomato salsa, green curry, stuff like that. I found out you can hang them in the garage and let them ripen. But I'm not that patient. We freeze quick up here. But it's all good. It's weird down here. I can take like one tomato plant and run it from year to year.

Like it never dies. So you can just like, it'll live and then it won't fruit the entire year. But obviously like you leave it in the ground and it looks horrible for a while. And then, you know, it just kind of makes it through the winter and starts again. And we actually have almost two growing seasons where our tomatoes grow twice a year. No way. Yeah, yeah. So it's just weird.

It's like we don't have enough of a winter period. And, you know, they just kind of look horrible in the summer, and then when it starts fall, they start again, and then winter, they'll kind of take a pause, and then once it starts to warm up again in the wet season, they start again. So, yeah, you don't even have to replant. Now who's bragging?

Come on. Now bragging? He lives in the great herb spot and he gets tomatoes now we can gang up on him and pay seven dollars a gallon for gas yeah i guess you uh we paid 383 for a gallon of milk the other day that was kind of how much is milk that is such a good question. I haven't actually. You guys don't drink milk much? No, I mean.

You just don't buy it. I just don't buy it. Yeah, I don't buy it. Find out for next time. Yes, okay. I'm on the mission. Got it. While you're the bachelor, do you have to buy milk for your daughter that's at home still?

I buy pizza. We ordered pizza yesterday. Yes, my daughter likes Jersey Mike's. So we got Jersey Mike's tonight. So yeah, I, unfortunately like work is super crazy right now. So I have to actually go into work tomorrow. So, um, yeah, so thankfully my kids are old enough to take care of themselves a little bit and be independent, but, and then, you know, we just let the dogs watch, you know, no one's coming in the house with the dogs. So that would be a, but, and then, you know, we just let the dogs watch, you know, no one's coming in the house with the dogs. So that would be a big mistake, but, um, yeah, so, so it's,

you know, um, it's not the worst, definitely not like, uh, when they were, when they were little. So now they're good. It's nice when they get older and they can kind of take care of themselves. Yeah. All right. all right um any any new developments in the world of reptiles um no i i i bought some some live uh fuzzies no eyes open and i i went and and just put them all in the tubs for all of the coastals so we'll see who kind of eats uh i want to try to do kind of a live left alone feeding i'll check them here in a little bit and see see who ate um man lots of lots of gecko i just had another standing day gecko uh hatch out so waiting on the other the other one to hatch out. And, um, yeah, other than that, man, no, just, uh, yeah, I got a lot of,

I've probably got like 25 day geckos between standing and Grandis and Williams. I, so I need to, uh, I need to do something with that. Uh, start, start, uh, going fast and furious on some ads or something. It's really, so I don't know. I got to like figure out how to get my wife into my marketing and sales team that I haven't created yet. You know what I mean? Yeah. Dude, I just.

When you have to run the sales, the marketing and the sales wing of your reptile. Yeah, it's pretty nonexistent over here. I need to get summer on that right but at least at least throughout the years you have gone through and created a website for yourself and like you know you you've done you've done enough that that um you know you you're you're way more ahead of it so jake was talking about revamping my website really i think i think that would see if that has he do he does web design um he knows that stuff yeah and he was like looking for a project he's gonna start uh the school at the local uh technology school

yeah technology college so cool yeah so he's going into tech stuff tech stuff yeah tech stuff that's me yeah i guess he's not a boy no more he's a man yeah he's 23 oh man yeah he's he's legal beagle yeah yeah that's cool still remember yeah he was like a teenager when you met him yeah i know i'm sure yeah i mean i've seen pictures like i feel like i've watched him grow up in pictures but yeah but yeah he was like he was definitely still a kid the last time we actually hung out so was that it was that at tregg and jenny's yeah i think so okay i think that was yeah he was my helper at the show sometimes that was it was good memories yeah the kids are begging i

need to do california shows again let's do it dude i'm down i i need i need yeah well the super shows uh this weekend i think oh yeah so i think uh i think it's up in um up in um uh what's that place uh i'm pulling a justin right now anaheim anaheim california oh yeah yeah so yeah yeah it was anaheim super show yeah i went to that last year right yeah i uh well i was getting i was getting bugs and and uh the guys in the shop were we're talking about the show so i was like oh yeah cool i can't go oh yeah i gotta work gotta work yeah it's a bad weekend to be working can't quit my day job no not the best move in this these this day and age not yet drive anywhere i guess nope i need uh i need about 50 000 more people to get into scrub pythons and then i really got to do good before i could uh think about uh thinking about uh

switching careers at all yeah well i i'm uh dreaming about herp in australia again the old aussie herp podcast had uh ollie and reed on talking about their uh herp trips and all the stuff they're finding and i'm like man i gotta get back over there it's killing me yeah but soon enough you're not going this year though no no not going this year geez the podfather beat you back over there huh no i know yeah he's he's gonna be the guinea pig we'll see how it goes for him we'll book a trip he said he's not he said he sounded a bit nervous or he's i should say he said i he sounded a bit nervous. I should say he said he sounded a bit nervous that, you know, he said he's been blessed with the, you know, the doctor and Bobby Pebbles to kind of lead the North American Expeditionary Tours. And now he's kind of, you know, going to be the one, you know, leading the tour, so to speak. And he's like, it know gonna be gonna be the one you know leading the tour so to speak and he's like oh it's gonna be work yeah well rob's still going yeah that's fair i don't know

well i don't know i mean i bet it sounded it sounded rob rob's a point he's like me he likes to plan stuff out and have like a minute to minute and specific spots where you find a lot of stuff on their last trip well they found they found an Owen Pelly python. They found like all the pythons up there except for all the pythons. How do you repeat that? They just have to go to a whole other place. Expectations are high, right? Yeah, that's a big – but there's so many things over there you can see.

These guys on the Hurt Podcast were talking about finding like 95 species in like a day or two. That's crazy. Or species in a day or two. That's crazy. Or 95 in a day or two. I mean, yeah, it was a short period of time. They were finding a lot of stuff. And they're really good photographers. So I know one of the guys, Ollie's last name is Newman. He supplied a picture or two for the book of some brettle he found out in the Alice Springs area.

So that was cool. And then I don't know if I know Reed, but I followed him on Instagram, and he's got some killer pictures. So, yeah, hopefully they keep the pictures coming. But, yeah, some good stuff. I saw a nice post from Matt Somerville of his finds over the summer and all the crazy stuff he found he had a good herping year as well he's always killing some stuff he's always killing it though he's the man yeah that guy i need to herp with that guy someday if he if he'll uh herp with me i don't know some some yank you know that's like that's like that's like being like, oh, that Jeffrey Dahmer, man, he's really killing it.

Yeah, I guess so. Are you saying he's the Jeffrey Dahmer of herping? No, I'm just saying he's really, really killing it. You lost me on that one. Okay, he's killing it. He's really killing it. Gotcha. Okay, yeah. Well, yeah, we've got to take our two youngest over so we took the three oldest

or i i took them over in 2016 and then now the two youngest keep whining about going over so we got to figure out the time i mean they they are they are aware that it is not a a uh you know like a sightseeing trip. Oh, they know. They know. I'm a little worried. It'll be a little bit, though. I mean, I don't know. We'll probably have to do quite a bit of sightseeing.

I think I learned a little bit of a lesson from my older kids. Can you unhinge that a little bit? Or are you able to? A little bit, yeah. Are you able to? Will you be able to tear yourself away from herping to do other – I'm sure we'll get some in, and I'm sure there will be good sports about it. I think we'd almost have to go off-season.

Oh, yeah. If we went off-season. If it wasn't a good time, then we wouldn't have the choice. That's right. That's kind of what we're looking at. But then it's – I don't know. Look at him. He's already like, then why do we go?

Why are we even going to go? If I can't find stuff, why do we go? My cousin was in the Cairns area, Gina. She was up there with her kids and her mom. And they were in the middle of winter. And I'm like, what are you going there when there's no snakes around? What's the point? I'm sure we'd have a lot of fun.

And I'm thinking if we went to Darwin or something, there'd be crocs out basking and things like that. So we'd go on a croc boat tour and stuff. So there'd be stuff to see. It would just be less stuff. But going to different places. And who knows? Off-season might be better these days.

Or his old place? Up in Darwin. Oh, that's where I want to go in that cage. Yeah, she wants to go float in the cage of death. Nice. We'll go together. I just want to grab their little fingernails. We'll accomplish what Rico and...

Do the frog? Yeah, the amplexes. I'm not doing that in the cage. I know. Rico and Mark Spataro are going into the cage of death, and we told them, you need to do it in Amplexus. And they didn't think that was funny, but I don't think I need to go for that either. No. You might grab me out of fear, though.

You might grab me out of fear. I'm not going to be afraid. Then what if you push me closer to the crocodile, closer than I want to be to the edge? There you go. I'm going to have to get mad at you. Yeah, you'll be the male in this. I think I'd rather be by myself. Oh, okay.

I'll let you do it. I don't need to do it. Well, you don't need to have two people in there. I've been close to crocs in the wild. I don't need to be in a cage. That sounds like a croc, all right. I eat crocs like you for breakfast. Oh, man.

Yeah, there's some good content out there. I've been excited to see everybody releasing all these photos of field herping and good stuff um cameron rognon uh posted he's he's a field biologist or a ranger something like that down in southern utah and he was up in the mountains and he saw like this uh he saw a mountain king just kind of chilling crawling along So he just kind of watched it for a bit. And then he saw another one, and it was coming up. And then they kind of cuddled together. And so he's like, that was cool. Yeah, that's a rare sight in Utah especially, but pretty cool observation.

And that guy, he's seen some awesome stuff. Like he knows where all the Gila's live. And he's always posting pictures of Gila's eating bunnies or fighting off birds or something, eating their eggs. I mean, he gets all these crazy shots. Male Gila's combating or something, or a male chasing a female around. It's pretty sweet.

So I need to go herping with that guy too if he'd let me. He probably has a lot of people. What if you got like what's that big cute monitor lizard that we saw like in pain's fine the big ones oh the panoptes yeah what if you got like the smallest of those with another smallest and could you size down that well it's called an ackee right yeah dwarf Yeah. You get a dwarf monitor. No, they're totally different colors. Yeah, well, I don't know. I guess you could select for smaller.

Because they have to be skinny like the ackees have a smaller snout. What do you want to do that for? Well, I just think that would be fun to have a really big monitor, but then you don't have to have the size. In a small form. Yeah, because then you're like, here, have this pet that you can't control, that you can't feed. But then it's cute. And it's cute. And it's still fat.

Like the proportions. Because an Aki has more slender. I don't know. They can get pretty chunky. Yeah. You should see. The Aki's Ron St. Pierre's feeding right now. What did Chuck say?

He said the Aki's Ron's feeding now. They're little chunk monsters. I'd put a hat on a monitor. I'm not going to lie. That's not allowed on this podcast. Justin, you just admitted it. I like bandanas, like a little bandana. Owen will kick us off the podcast. No, he would not.

No, this is for you to listen. Owen, we might have to put a hat on one of those. Owen doesn't listen to us. We're fine. We can say all the hat shenanigans we want. Eric might tattle, though. Eric might tell him what we're saying. Eric, don't rat us out. Come on, man. I don't know. Eric's

been pretty good at not ratting us until it's time to rat. That's true. Owen now calls himself the Mackinwookie. He's embraced the truth.? That's true. Owen now calls himself the Mackinwookie. Yeah. He's embraced the truth. That's my hypothesis. Owen fights against it so hard because he is a Sasquatch in hiding.

He's got to keep that. It's been secret for this long. It has to continue to be secret. Well, they found his dad's skull or somebody's skull. Oh, yeah. I was going to share that in the NPR chat. And I was like, how has nobody latched on to this? Yeah, thank you for bringing that. I almost forgot about that.

I was like, yeah. The skull of a Mackinwookie was discovered in British Columbia or something like that. Dude, how have people been mack and slacking this long on finding the skulls of dead mack and wookies? Yeah, and his was like out in the open. It looked like a cast, and it looked like a gorilla skull. It did look like a gorilla skull. Standing up on your hind legs.

I mean, it had the connections for the big muscles on the top of the head, which, you know, the gorillas and the orangutans, those kind of animals have those. It looked just like a gorilla skull. It's fake. I'm calling it. And there was no wear on it either. Yeah. It's kind of more wear on it.

It looked like it was just too conveniently intact for being in a river system or something, you know, kind of goofy, but I'm sure it's a publicity stunt. Because they take care of their own. They're not going to let a skull or anything of the body stay out. They're going to. That's right. That's what I believe. They'll bury them.

I believe if something happens to one, then the rest come and remove the rest of the body. Yeah. And that's why. That's exactly right. That's what I believe. So you're saying there's more than one. It's not one yeah they'd be macking they'd be macking stashing them bodies yeah that's what i think no mack and peeking on those no no mc peeking on those they're macking they're not macking slacking that's for sure yeah we can start a whole like we can start a whole mac and wookie vernacular out of

this like he could have like a whole he could have his whole like we can start their language you know what i mean like everything is mac and something and and it would just There you go I'm with this McPeakin and Mackinstash Yeah No McPeakin on those Alright Well That's enough nonsense

I guess it wasn't all nonsense No That was some good Wookiee talk Yep Okay Bring it full circle You ready to fight me hun?

Sure Okay Good Alright well let's flip a coin Yep. Okay. Bring it full circle. Are you ready to fight me, hon? Sure. Okay. Good. All right. Well, let's flip a coin. Where did my coin go? I think it's in there. What was that cute?

I don't want to fight. Remember that show when it's Tom Hardy and he's like, I don't want to fight. Oh, where they're brothers? I don't want to fight. Yeah. Just tap out, man. Tap out. It's okay.

Did you see that? What's that called? Warrior or something like that? No. Yeah, it's a guy who looks like Conan O'Brien. Yeah, what's his name? I don't know. Anyway, who's the other guy?

Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy, yeah. Yeah, they're these cute brothers. They're young. And they're both like, what is it, Ultimate Fight? Yeah. Whatever. Okay, you call it in the fight? Yeah. Whatever. Okay.

You call it in the air. Okay. Tails. Oh. Tails. Oh, no. I totally cheated. No, you call it.

You call it. You call it. What do you mean? You just got it. I mean, you... No, I got it. I cheated. It's okay.

You pick what you're going to pick. Hey, if that's how you want to start this, you're welcome to cheat. I'm going to win no matter what, though, right? That's the spirit. What side are you picking? Yeah. If Chuck's moderating, he says I win. Oh, that's right.

Yeah. But he didn't see the coin, so he can't make the coin. Justin, you're going to lose no matter what, okay? No matter what, you're going to lose. Okay, then I will take Khan. It's bad to be married to a herper. I think that's only fair. I think if I pick Khan and I go hard, then that's nothing but bad.

That's just going to cause problems. Okay. Well, I won the coin. But no, I think that I know all the bad stuff. Well, I do too. If Justin does too good of a job, this could have negative implications for him, you know? Yeah. If he sells the con too hard, maybe you're like, you know what?

You're right. I've been wrong all this time. I'm changing it up. You know what I mean? And there goes Australia 2023 for you. We're going to go look at churches. She's flipping your script. She gets whatever she wants.

She's the queen. Oh, I just feel... Okay, well, do you want to start? She's still trying to decide. Ladies first. Her heart is not in this yet. You're doing pro. You're a pro.

Now I decide I want to not be pro. You love being married to a herber. I just thought of all these bad things. Okay, if you want to do con, then do con. I feel that weighs heavy on my conscience if I say con. Well, all the listeners will vote for me if I'm pro. Oh, wow. Because they think it's awesome to be married to a herper, too.

So you've got to think about the listeners. Okay. Okay, what are you doing? I think my wife might be on your side if you were on the con side. My wife is not all pro about reptiles. I just don't think you could do con justice because you will forever never be able to see truly what the con side is.

There's nothing stopping you from giving me the win and helping me out. I think I have to take con and just say that I'll play fair. That I won't get too low. Don't you think that's'll play fair? That I won't get too low? Don't you think that's fair, Chuck? I think this is awesome because I think Justin has already made up his mind that he wanted the con side and to watch him squirm as he has to realize that he is now

got to throw all of the arguments that he was going to make out the window and wing it. The angst on his face right now is what I cherish. That's a good point because have you been thinking about this? What? Have you been thinking about this?

Not really. Don't let him lie to you. It's all internal. Lie. It's all internal. Lie. Lie. Lie.

I know what maybe you'd think, but I don't know for sure. Okay. I take it back. This is the last time I'm going to flop. You're going to do con, and we'll see. No, you can do pro. And then I'll tell you if you miss the mark. There you go.

Yeah. So you're going to help me win. That's what you're saying. I'm still going to win. I don't know. This is a song that the girls told me. Strengthen my argument. All I do is win, win, win, no matter what, what, what.

I'm just going to remind you of this little photo here. And all the hands go up. That I stare at while I do my podcast. This was before I was too innocent to know what I was getting into. Our engagement photos. That's the before you got tricked picture. Yeah, that's before she got tricked. Isn't that cute? She's a little sweetheart.

Man, you guys are young in that picture. I know. I know, I'm so skinny. That's 25 and a half years ago. Holy cow. Crazy. Okay. Well, what are you doing?

I still don't know. I'm doing pro, but you start because if you've already thought about this. Ladies first. Is that how you do this? Ladies first. So then I say what I think a pro is? Mm-hmm. You say all the good stuff about being married to her.

Don't think too hard. You're're gonna offend our whole listeners i think that the best pro is being more aware of the world around you and having a greater appreciation for creatures i I like that. Do you want to expand? Yeah, I think it's fun. I think it's super fun going to a zoo. Because I was surprised when Justin like, we're at a zoo and Justin starts talking about some like a four-legged like cattle-y type thing and I thought, how in the heck

do you know what this is? This is not a reptile. You know, and then I used to check and like see if you really knew what you were talking about. Like quiz him in case he was just telling you a bunch of stuff? Yeah. Yeah, I thought maybe he's just like, oh, well, that's the Argentinian striped bass or something. You know, like I thought he's just doing it because he wants to know that he knows or something. So, yeah. Okay. Well, so you're married to a very – I thought he's just doing it because he wants to know that he knows or something.

Okay. Well, so you're married to a very special man who appreciates all nature. My friends are not like that, right? A lot of the guys are like, bird? What are you looking at birds for? There's walkie birds. They want to shoot the bird. There's fly bird. There's swimmy bird.

And that's it. No, you're supposed to say the cons. I am. I'm saying that most reptile people. No, reptile people focus on reptiles. They don't care about that other stuff necessarily. They don't want to look at birds or mammals. Now you're saying the pro of being married to you, not a herper.

I'm saying herpers in general. Being married to. Unless you want to be specific about being married to me. I'm saying being married to a general herper. This sounds like a con for reptile people, but still pro why you should be married to Justin, okay? Well, yeah, I'm just saying. You're trying to win what you win.

Don't give away my game plan. Come on, at least let me get one point out before you ruin it for me. I'm just questioning the strategy in the long term. I don't know. No, I mean, you saw those guys in action. Give me a hard time about looking at birds. I mean, yeah, there are definitely quite a few herpers. I was that guy giving you a hard time.

Exactly. There are quite a few herpers that do appreciate like herping with nipper we looked at birds together and he sent me a bird book that bird guide from yeah and keith likes the birds and so yeah there are there are some herpers that and like a lot of her people started out in fish or something else so or or our friends in australia like you're all doing dogs and stuff so i'm not saying general but you know if you're out on a herb trip they're not going to want to stop and look at a bird they're going to want to go for the herbs i would also like to point out that if you were that serious about it then it's an easy target they can make fun of the birds because

they got your goat you know oh i don't care they can make you tease you because i enjoy them i don't care what they say so maybe they do like the birds they just like oh we can razz justin maybe so but they don't take pictures of them they don't try to id them that's half the fun that's because they don't know what they are yeah exactly that's how i didn't know what they were last year and now i know what they are they will they would take pictures of them and they'd be like, Justin, what's this? What's this? Right? There you go. Yeah, I could help them, I DM.

I extend a challenge to all the friends who go with Justin. Oh, I'm talking into the listener thing. That's okay. She keeps talking into the headphones. And she thinks she's going to beat me. I'm not sure where I am right now. Hey, I fight dirty, so I'll probably win. But yeah, I would say everywhere you're going to go, look up and get five new species of the avian variety.

Or mammals. Or mammals. Or fish. Yeah. And look everywhere you go. Or bugs. There's so many cool bugs. That's the beauty is that iNaturalist, you can identify just plants too i mean and also on your cell phone now there's a way it

will tell you what planet is just don't go full um oh god why did i try to say a name um yeah you're good he works at australian reptile park oh weigel john weigel don't go full john weigel and just switch to birds and ignore reptiles that's dangerous too he has the big year birding record hey for the united states that was awesome i know and australia like he's he's the man he's a cool guy too so i'm did he beat the naked birder he did he beat the naked birder is the naked birder? He did. He beat the naked birder. Is the naked birder really naked? Yeah, he birds naked. Oh, yeah. Is this on the internet?

Can I look it up? This is Justin who said that. I'm sure he's probably been arrested a couple times. You can look it up. I'm good with it right now. Does he not include you into this whole thing now? Yeah, I've told you about him. It was funny.

Okay, naked. Anyway, well, big year. year well i want to see how i want to see this naked guy oh she's just want to look up it came up as like my god he is naked those are parrots without feathers they're naked birds not naked birders You just typed in naked bird. I lose at Google too, apparently. Okay, you say the next one. Okay, so I'm con, right? You gotta say a con. I think anywhere you go, it turns into a reptile trip or a zoo trip or something.

That's a mic drop right there. Okay, so here's an example. We were going to my friend's wedding in Dallas, and I found out the Dallas Zoo had a wonderful... I've been in contact with Winston Card and Ruston Hardegan and some of the keepers there back in the day at Dallas Zoo, and they had an amazing monitor collection. They had Perentis, and I'm like, come on, you got to have a parenti.

You know, we got to go see a parenti at a zoo in the U.S. because there weren't very many. So and then not too far from there within driving distance was the Fort Worth Zoo. So it was, and they had a wonderful reptile collection and really great, you know, keepers there too. So even though they wouldn't let me back scenes. But Winston and Rustin took me around to back scenes. Those guys were cool.

And I started realizing, wait a second. So we did two zoos in a day. So do you feel like there's always the side agenda, Heidi? There's the trip, but there's also the trip within the trip. There's the plans and then there's the plans being laid. Yeah, I will admit we have driven through a sketchy like old rundown trailer park. It was like a ghost town trailer park. It was seriously creepy, but it was like a good spot for Rosie Boas or something.

So we were going to go road cruising. Heidi's like, no, no, we're out of here. Let's go. She's like, we're not cruising in here. I'm like, honey, there's nobody. And then you hear a gunshot or something. We're not dying for Rosie Boas tonight, Tessie. Screw the Rosie Boas.

We looked for a little bit, though. We did. We looked for a little bit, though. We did. We did. We looked for a little bit. Until we realized how creepy it was, and then I'm like, okay. Until we realized. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

So you're agreeing. So I'm ahead now? Is that the deal? Sure. Sure. Mic drop. Sure. Okay, well, what's your counter?

I'm supposed to say a pro oh you said a con that was a con yeah how do you counter my con it's true i just say it's true because like justin will say we'll go anywhere you want have we been to ireland i have we been to scotland yeah okay well that's okay so the other i guess The northern lights are calling and I must go Yeah And yet Well, I mean, you don't have enough time on the work to do it And yet there's no reptiles up there

I'm taking her to France next year, huh? How's that? Yeah? We're not going herping? Well, we might go a little bit herping Here we go Who doesn't want to see a wild tortoise out there? That'd be cute, right? In where? In France. Tortoise in France?

Mm-hmm. I want to see a goat on a mountain. Yeah, I'm sure we'll look for those, too. That's what I want to see. We'll go up into the Alps. That'd be fun. I'll see a tortoise with you, I guess. Oh, okay.

A tortoise or a goat? A French tortoise. Yeah. Oh. French. Oui, oui. A French tortoise. A French tortoise.

You dare to come to France And not see the Tartare I cannot do accents With the Tartare That's okay I can't either but it's hilarious Well I just I think that a pro Okay I thought of a pro A pro of that is

If you have to go to all these places You find a way to make it worth your while. Like most places have good gift shops if you want to buy stuff. Or you say, well, and maybe it becomes like a barter as a way. And I think all of this has to come with good communication. Because if you get really TO'd that you're going to six zoos in a day... Then you're trying to barter your husband. You're like, here, you can take my husband, give me

that shirt. I'm like, yeah. You know, those kind of things. But I think you have to talk about it. Don't get ticked off and then get mad at the zoo-loving husband that you have. But, you know, be aware.

Notice your feelings. Say it, you know. I didn't choose the herp life. The herp life chose me. The scucks life. Just call me Ricky Baker. Ricky Baker. So, yeah.

Yeah. I'm not really thinking of any really good pros here, guys. Oh, my goodness. I think she's like secretly conned. She's just trying to thwart the process. I think she tried to tell you that. Okay, but you did say a pro, so I can say a con. Okay, you say a con.

So I think like it can get out of control really easy. And so if you're the non-her person you're the one that you're the one that has to say no all the time so then you're kind of like the bad guy or if you say yes then you enable it and then you're you know promoting something so there has to be some good discussion and some thought process i think every good um partnership does need a little bit of that you know and i and i imagine that people like you from multiple bad reptile decisions probably yeah or helped me understand like it's not as easy as just saying i want it you know or i want to get that or it's available so i can i buy it well you know where are you going to keep it how much does it cost how long do they take to reproduce

you know those kind of things is it going to you know, something that people will want to buy? Or are you going to be stuck with a bunch of babies or something like that? So, you know, I think that's helpful, especially in the first part of a partnership. You know, you don't want to go too crazy. And I had to, like, get some species early on that I wasn't as interested in, but she was a little bit like excited about like the little baby milk snakes. They were cute and pretty and they were so squirmy. Yeah.

So I got a few species and worked with those just to show her that snakes weren't scary and bad. They were cute and fun too. So, and then I could work my way up to a jungle carpet or something. And then the rest is history, I suppose. But I think we're at a good balance now. There has to be a balance in the forest.

Yeah, there has to be a balance in the forest for sure. So I think that's a con is the non-hurt person kind of has to be the one who says no all the time and kind of says, you know, that's not a good idea or, you know, can you really work with that or something? So maybe that could bring friction into a relationship. Well, could you imagine if we were both hurt people and I was like, could you check out this new species? And then you're like, yeah, we should. Let's do morphs. And then next thing you know, that's our like we have no like breaks on this thing there are a few examples that we got the puget sound pythons

jendra we got those two and uh the um i just thought of their names barkers yeah barkers are both big time reptile folks and um so i yeah we got a oh what's that joanne and Peter. Like if you want something and I'm like, really? Oh, sure. Go right ahead. And then it kind of makes you stop and go, wait, maybe I need to rethink this a little bit. Sometimes I've noticed you do that before. Yeah. The gilpins, they make a good deal and make a good go of it. They herp a lot together. So that's kind of fun, too. What about your friends who do the frogs or the tortoises?

They used to live in Logan and then they moved. Yeah, I think it's just the husband there. Oh. Yeah, she's just supportive. Oh, I think it's just the husband there. Oh. Yeah, she's just supportive. Oh. See, look at all of us go. We need to have like a spotting for the hurt place. Get all the girls together and let them do some of the fun.

Yeah. Okay. Well, you got a pro for us? Don't hurt yourself. Um, if your spouse does, has a animal hobby, it is very much easier for you to also choose an animal hobby. And they can't say no because they have an animal hobby. So that's kind of a good thing. I've used that to my advantage a couple of times. That's why we have dogs.

Every, every home needs to have a dog. Yeah. I mean, I need to train one to find tortoises or something. Would it eat the tortoise? That'd be cool. I don't think so. You'd have to train it, right? I've heard of people doing that, having a dog that finds reptiles.

Ruby's trained to find tortoises. There you go. No, that's not true. She's horrible. She would never. She would just bark. She would just bark. Well, hey, that will alert you to the presence of the tortoise, right?

There you go. Maybe, but she barks all the time. She barks at everything. So it would be like tortoises everywhere. Yeah. It would be false alarm city. It would be false alarm city. Yeah. That is true, though.

I mean, you can kind of say. And that's how she won that argument pretty easily is we were saying, you know, because I grew up in a family that did not enjoy dogs and we never had a dog and we always had cats. And then she wanted to get a dog. And I was always taught that dogs were gross and they ate their own poop and stuff like that. So I'm like, why do you want a dog? that's disgusting, you've got to clean up crap all the time and she's like

you have a room full of snakes and I'm like okay, you win we can get a dog and a house full of crickets at the time we had a trailer and those crickets were everywhere there was not a sealed wall we had a loose gecko to clean up the crickets that's probably not a bad that's not a sealed wall. We had a loose gecko to clean up the crickets.

That's probably not a bad call. Until we went to sell the place and we rolled back the door. So we lived behind kind of the rolling closet door in the reptile room. And the whole wall was just covered in crap. Because it just went to the bathroom all the time. It just pooped down the wall. So it was like streaks down the wall. It was nasty but on the plus side it was localized yeah that's true so yeah it worked out it worked out it was all good yeah so yeah it's uh by that decision that bug light okay another con is uh when you want a house you have to consider where you're

gonna put reptiles yeah and so you limit your choices of homes to places that have an extra bedroom or a part of the garage you can wall off and turn into a room. And renting is a nightmare. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You have to like forego having reptiles for a while. Let's expand that con and talk about how sometimes you have to hide your your animals because well in a lot of places just have kind of that no pets rule with stupid dogs and sorry not stupid dogs he just barked that's why i call them stupid

anytime he hears anything he has to bark he protects us from neighbors and he's getting a little old yeah anyway so um they you know they they say no pets but they really mean no dogs and cats yeah they just kind of put the blanket on it and most of them probably don't care if you have like a you know a terrarium or something with a small lizard i'm sure they'd probably freak out if you had a giant nile monitor or something but but i think it's just easier to say no, period. Yeah, exactly. So then they can say, well, if it's a problem, then it was in our rules and we're going to prosecute you and take your deposit. But if we don't find out, then who cares?

But I don't know. Owen talks about keeping all the reptiles in his dorm closet or whatever. Yeah, that would be crazy. I don't know how he got away with that. Yeah. That's not the best for the reptiles in his dorm closet or whatever. Yeah, that would be crazy. I don't know how he got away with that. Yeah. That's not the best for the reptiles either. You're not keeping them as well as they probably should be kept if you're trying to hide them in a closet

or in a Rubbermaid container under your bed or something. But, you know, I don't know. I guess we've all probably been there. In temperature regulation in a dorm, it's probably like a cinder block building. Yeah, it could be pretty rough. So, yeah, keep that in mind. I mean, and that's the thing.

You'll be to a better position soon. And a lot of times if you're compromising on space and trying to, you know, wedge it in somewhere where it doesn't belong, then you're probably compromising the feeding and the housing and all that kind of stuff too. So just wait till you're in a better position to do it. You know, get yourself in a good financial position where you can get a house or have space for them or, or find a place that rents that allows you to have them and do it legitimately. But you know, it's kind of risky to try to always be hiding something. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Um, I got a pro. Okay. Um, I just forgot.

I was going to say, no, I really, Justin does that. Justin does that. He does that too. Like, like this is a good one.

And then I promptly forgot. Um, Oh, I know money. Yeah. Sometimes you can make money on it. Oh yeah. Yeah.

We've gotten ourselves out of a lot of binds with reptile money like but let's also talk about the bad part of that is sometimes like you know no no you're not doing the cons i'm doing the cons okay what would you say the bad thing about money is with reptiles is that um there it's used for reptile stuff and not for other stuff for family stuff. Yeah. Sometimes it seems like, well, for the money you're buying all new caging when you just made new caging not too long ago.

And then why don't we like get a hot tub or something like that? Or, yeah, you know, it's true. So, I mean, just things like that where, where it's these – I guess this is another thing with communication is so important because – and also, like, if I bring it up and I say, hey, it seems like it's getting a little crazy, then the herper has to also be able to say, I acknowledge that because if it's just, I defend, I defend, I defend, then it just, it just gets the, the bristles up on the other person's like, okay, they're doing a crummy thing, but they're also not owning up to it. And that really ticks you off. Yeah. So, but I mean, I guess the counter could be true too. If you're always sapping from your personal finances to support your reptile hobby yeah that's true that's not great either so if you're always using you know the money that should be going to

rent or food or yeah or hot tubs you know that is not brought in by reptiles you know that's probably a so i i see it as kind of a self-sufficient hobby where it makes money to support itself and you know i try to do herp related things so i can have a tax break you know so you don't have to really you know show that you're taking dividends or something you're taking from the business so you don't have to pay taxes on it maybe a tax loophole but i'll go on a herp trip and say this was a reptile expenditure, right? That's why you write books. I have found the motivation. I don't know. It can be definitely a double-edged sword

because it is nice to have a hobby that can pay for itself, but if you're saying, oh, we need to finance the hobby so we can get it to the point where it's paying for itself and then you're always buying something new but it's never paying off and you're not doing it right. Yeah, and sometimes I think I would like to have a hobby that I could do that, but I don't have. I would love for you to have a hobby that pays for itself. But I also don't have the time and the, because. Well, you're gardening kind of.

Right, but I started gardening two years ago when my youngest kid was like so all these years that you could go and do your animal stuff well someone has to take care of the kids and that's been me so i didn't have the option to say oh let me have this hobby and let me use my time to do that and that and you know you and i know know that's the choice we personally made in our roles. But at the same time, it seems somewhat unfair. Yeah, right? Because, you know, I want to be out there living my best life. You know, maybe I want to, like, design jewelry and have my, you know, and do that thing.

Well, if I was to do that, where would I get the money to start up? You know, I can't have jewelries make babies and then sell the baby jewelry. Like I have, you know, so you buy the parts and assemble them and then sell it for more than you paid for the parts. Well, no. And it's kind of like the idea though, you know, like where it's, sometimes it can seem unfair, like where, where's my dream? Where's my hobby? And that's a hard thing because we've had a lot of time to come to terms with that. Yeah, that can be a difficult thing.

So look for Heidi's Jewelry Store. Ha ha ha! Yes! Ha ha ha! I'm going to become a country music star. Go on the road. I want to see all those things happen right now. Give him a taste. I've been practicing for a church choir for Sunday and I cannot sing,

but I'm trying so hard to sing the notes and it's rough. It's hard out there for me our daughter kind of roped her into it and then she doesn't want to do it anymore and she's like nope you're doing it you got me into this you're staying with it I teach the kids at church music

and so I told them you guys all go home and tell your mom and dad to join the word choir because they didn't have a lot of people and then I thought well okay I'm a turd if I don't join the word choir because they didn't have a lot of people. And then I thought, well, okay, I'm a turd if I don't join the ward choir. And so I did. But, yeah. So that's my story.

And there's a country music career coming attached to that. That's right. That's right. You know on The Simpsons when I'll be the Laura Lee or what is it? Laura Lee. Laura Lee. And you'll be my Colonel Homer. There we go. Yep. All right. It you'll be my Colonel Homer. There we go.

Yep. All right. It's going to get weird up in here, guys. I don't know. I don't think there's any other cons being married to a herper. Oh, there's so many. We've covered them all. We've covered them all.

What do you feed your reptiles? Gross. Oh, yeah. I guess we have to keep the herps. My daughter is not. You don't have to because there's plenty of herpers that don't keep rodents. Chuck doesn't have any more rodents anymore. I don't breed rodents, but I still have to thaw rodents.

I thaw rodents in my sink, and my daughter, she walks by. I have to tell her. I have to tell her, hey, there's rats in the sink. Otherwise, if she sees them, she's like, ah! You get a sink? I have to do it in a bucket outside. Oh, no. I get a sink? I have to do it in a bucket outside. Oh, no. I get a sink.

I don't get no sinks. I'm highbrow with my dead rogues. Yeah. This is dad's sink. Yeah. It's my sink. It's my sink now. Here's a twisted pro.

I think it tells you who your true friends are. Yeah, that's true. Because I'll say to people, hey, come over to our house, twisted pro, I think it tells you who your true friends are. Yeah. Because like if I'll say to people, hey, you can come over to our house and we'll have a barbecue. Oh, I don't want to come to your house. And so then I'm just like. Or they'll say, do you have snakes just crawling around? And then I say, yes, I do.

And you're uninvited. Yeah. So I kind of, you know, it puts you right. You know where you stand with most people. Yeah. Because of the animals you keep, so. Yeah. I mean, you know how many people have horses out here, and that's like their whole life?

Yeah. No one's like giving them shade because they have horses, you know? And how many people do horses kill? I mean, horses are far more dangerous than reptiles. I'm sorry, horse people. My boss is a horse guy, and he says the love for horses is in or is proportionally wait inversely proportional to your iq or something like that oh shit that was said by a horse person yeah i thought it was funny i remembered that one but yeah yeah

and he's the one always asking me to get him a new hat band every time I go herping. I'm like, okay, the joke's dead, dude. The joke's dead. Yeah, yeah, I remember him. Okay. That kind of goes along with the, you find out you're true friends. And people feel like they can say whatever they want. That's the worst part is whenever people find out you're into snakes,

the first thing they try to tell you is how they killed a snake. And you're like, you're an asshole. I always say like, oh, do you like puppies? Yeah, I killed a puppy the other day. You would never hear that. No, dude. Come on. Yeah, but it's only applicable to snakes.

Oh, I thought of another pro. Am I doing pros still? Go for it. Okay. There's so many i think a pro is it's a good hobby because like it or not i also by default and am a herper too and it's kind of a fun thing we have that we kind of have a a collective thing you know because i don't want you always going with your friends like sometimes i just want you to go with me and we'll go look for animals and stuff you know or be able to go

with your friends and so that's kind of a nice thing that'll give us something to look forward to as we get old and yeah keep it cruising is pretty like pretty uh oh yeah it's the best because we go someplace that's all hot and gross and and at least at night it's not as— You're in the car, and you've got the air conditioning or something. You can just let— I have been a little scared. You've just got to make sure Justin puts it in park before he jumps out and goes running off, right? Or doesn't leave the lights on, yeah.

We were out in the middle of Western Australia, and I left the lights on, and then all of a sudden the car wouldn't start. We're like, oh no. We're far away from anything. When we are older and we have more money, we'll roll into somewhere and part of our gear will be one of those little charging packs. We'll have that in the car.

We'll just have everything covered. Bring it on. That's what we'll do. We'll get nicely outfitted. Yeah, for sure. bring it on like that's what we'll do yeah we'll get we'll we'll get nicely that's a good pro huh yeah for sure for sure um i can't think of any more cons it's just all too good i think you've won okay one would you want me to rapid fire cons yes you guys yes okay let's hear it okay um i feel like this is cathartic this is going to be so good you guys this is going to be great

your garbage cans always smell to high heaven fair both of our garbage cans do they always do you worry about when it comes to be summertime because the heat the smell from either the rodents or the snakes are going to be summertime because the heat the smell from either

the rodents or the snakes are going to be higher you worry about that fair you're always worried about some weirdo coming to your house to still because that has happened before I don't know if it does now but I used to sell rodents to kind of

help that's a whole other con but like this kid came to our house and he tracked poop I used to sell rodents to kind of help That's a whole other con That's a different con But like this kid came to our house And he tracked poop Like into our house And we were renting that house Yeah like just a clueless doofus

But yeah it was fun So you have a bunch of random people At your house No I don't Most herpers are a little way i swear like maybe about 15 20 years ago wasn't there someone who their someone broke into their collection and yeah like and and so you you hear one story like that and then it kind of makes you paranoid a little bit so there there's that um i keep i keep psycho i keep psycho austral herding dogs, so nobody comes into my –

So that helps. Whoa. Poor Rob Stone when he stayed at my place, dude. My dogs had him herded into the living room. I've been there. I've been in that place. I kind of had to tell him, like, look, man, just stay on this side of the gate. The bathroom's right there.

If you need anything in the middle of the night and then you get – like you can't – just yell for me basically. Like, look, man, just stay on this side of the gate. The bathroom's right there. If you need anything in the middle of the night, and then you get, like, you can't just yell for me, basically. Like, yeah. Don't try to do it by yourself. Yeah, don't do it. Don't do it. And once he met Chewie and Ruby, he instantly understood. Rob was amazing.

Rob is the most, like, intuitive. Like, he was whispering with these dogs, but he knew. He was like, oh, okay. He's not kidding. Yeah, they're a little high strung. They are. Hurting dogs. We've got one.

And the neighbor kids were over trying to pet her, and she was just snapping at them every time they got their hand close. It's like, come on. I said it's okay. Ruby used to. So Ruby really loves me like i'm like me i mean like she growls at chewy when chewy tries to get petted for me like she used to lure women in where she would like look all cute and like give them the eye and they would go to pet her and she'd be like

and then try to lunge at him and i'm like oh oh my God, this bitch right here is crazy, dude. Yeah, she's – anyway. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, I love my dogs, but I love – there's definitely aspects of my reptiles that I like more because I don't have to deal with the craziness of the mammal, the mammal part of it. Oh, yeah. Reptiles are a lot more low-maintenance than other pets. And so, you you know in that

regard even even scrubs that'll bite the crap out of you are are in in many ways way less way less uh difficult you know you don't have to worry about your scrub getting loose and biting somebody and them trying to sue you or something like that yeah that's that's true. But, I mean, yeah, dog bites are a lot more of a concern than snake bites, I would say. But, you know, nobody's going to try to legislate dogs as being illegal. That's fair. That's fair. Well, not yet.

Not yet anyway. The pets we keep are targeted, so that's a rough position to be in a little bit. Yeah. I mean, unless you have pit bulls. I feel like there's pressure on certain dog species you know what i mean but but i agree with you that the overarching protection of domesticated mammals kind of protects all of those you know cats dogs like if they cared about the wild like they say they do yeah outlaw cats real fast yeah or outdoor or they would make programs

to like so that they yeah i have a co i have a co-worker who is telling me today that he has this feral cat that comes around and is friends with his dog and this feral cat lives in the backyard and they because it drags like all of this kill into their yard possums raccoons mice they call this cat murder murder mittens yeah murder mittens no cats are good at that cats are good at killing stuff best name for a feral cat oh my god it was so funny Yeah that's pretty impressive Taking down possums I'm like what the heck are you feeding this cat You have some serious mouths

You show me a picture and it's this cute little cat That's just like Oh my god dude they're psychos I just can't with you And the cats Justin But it's okay I will forever be a dog person. Our cat is cool.

It's a good cat. I never thought I would love a cat so much. So I've heard hairless cats are pretty cool, and I will admit there's probably the cool cat out there, but, you know, by and large, I think I've shared the story. I've had bad experiences with a cat. So, yeah. You don't want murder mittens anytime soon.

No, dude. No. No murder mittens for me. I'm good. I'm good. Well, are we done fighting? Oh, I don't know. She wants to get you some more. If I quit now, I'm going to be missing a chance.

No, I think to be fair, all you herpers out there in herper land, you guys got to remember, you guys make it hard on the other person. Yeah. It is not an easy life. No. No one ever grows up and is ready to understand why someone would keep a reptile and then have roaches to feed it. Yeah.

I mean, these are some hard things to get used to. Well, they're like little leaps. They're little leaps for us. But for people who are not like super into it, I totally recognize what a like – Like I could see like why like, you know, our neighbors think we're crazy. You know what I mean? Like stuff like that. I get that.

Like I totally get that. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, just be, you know, let it, let the other person have their frustrations. And then if they're really stressed, have them text me, I guess. Don't text me, but send me a message on the, on what? On something. On the Facebook messenger.

Because you know what? We've all been there and it's healthy to vent a little bit and then let it go. Because at the end of the day, Justin's not, you know, he says he chooses me over the snakes. But if you take that away from him, he's like a. I'm a half man. He's a shell of a man. I'm nothing without my reptiles. I could use

my influence. Not a cute one. You'd be more like a turtle. Because I like tortoises better than turtles. So you'd be like a gross turtle. Like a shell be like a gross turtle. Like a shell-less naked turtle. A turtle.

I mean, a naked birding turtle. Wouldn't that be so cute, like if you were naked in a turtle shell? Oh, no. I need to do some bordeaux photos of the turtle shell. I'm going to slap a bumper sticker on that carapace that says trevor the naked herper um yeah i i think i think that's a fair point and i i think it all comes down to communication because anybody can go kind of crazy with a hobby and have it cost a lot of money or put them in a bad spot financially or do things

like that that can you know put stress on a marriage so you know just be considerate yeah be considerate of your spouse and yeah things will work out i'm i'm really lucky to have heidi because i mean you're the reason i went to australia in the first place you're the one that sent me over there and said you need to do do this. And, and I mean, she understood the, the, I guess the sickness or whatever, you know, the, the compulsion I had to get over there. It was going to kill me, you know? So I appreciate that. And she'll, you know, let me go on trips with my friends. Yeah. But you guys traveled over there together and like, Oh, it's so much fun. You can't be keeping safe. I think it's cool because it's not just like when you're married and you're married to a reptile person, rarely is it ever just a singular – well, I guess it could be.

But in your guys' case, you guys both participate in that. You guys both went to Australia. You guys both participate in that like you guys both went to australia you guys both had adventures and now i i would venture to say heidi you probably have a fondness for australia that maybe you didn't didn't have you know early on oh yeah for sure yeah i'd probably be too afraid to go and do what we did yeah she got to hang out with bob irwin and oh all our friends i mean uh the kulegowskis are some of the best people you know that was great hanging out with them and yeah going to that zoo steve irwin zoo was pretty cool like just geeking out over seeing yeah yeah

that was really cuddling with the kangaroos yeah Yeah. Were they wallabies? They weren't big kangaroos. No, they were gray kangaroos. They weren't that big. They were big enough. Not as big as the one by that beach. That's true. That was a bigger kangaroo. Anyways.

Yeah. I think there's a lot of pros, and you just got to be aware of the cons. Yeah. Should we stay married? Well, I guess we might as well at this point. I guess you have to remember you love the person you're married to, or that you're with or dating or whatever, but you kind of have to realize that's part of them.

Don't write checks you can't cash yeah the the interest the interest is is almost like a compulsion it's almost like an addiction you know especially for reptiles business australian addiction reptiles that's what i mean like it's and so i mean we need to be aware of that too that we don't want to act like an addict and treat our spouse poorly. Or maybe cool it down for a little while. Give us a break. Justin, we'd be anywhere. Justin, I guess when cell phones came out and stuff, look over and Justin's on his cell phone.

Who the heck are you talking to? He's talking to some random person from who knows where about reptile stuff and okay we're here at a family thing like get off your phone i think that took a little while till finally justin has way more balance now but for a while i was like dude you don't need to be on the phone all the time with you know so stop calling me chuck and you know what i know i know i can hear so many of you guys's voices and i know who it is it's funny she'll know who i'm talking to just by the by the voice uh yeah coming through the speaker you know oh that's it i mean like you know just through the earpiece it's pretty funny now i'm to practice sounding like the podfather on the phone just so I don't get in trouble.

It's work. It's Eric. No, you can call anytime. Whenever Chuck calls, the kids are like, is that Chuck? Can we say hi? Dad's like, no, I'm going to talk to my friend. Chuck's my friend. Get your own friend.

Not yours. Not yours or anybody's. He called to talk to me gotta protect my relationship with chuck when we get old let's you can move to utah dude i need so i'm like i'm like that's what everybody's like slightly needling my wife. Like, how do we get out of here? Because this is getting ridiculous. I've talked to people that seriously sell their house, and then you can move here and buy a house. Well, I'm like, dude, we could still make money on our house right now, buy a house there, probably pay it off,

and have more land than we have here. And we could start you know it's just like it would just be the job thing and and yeah i mean it's just i don't know have you looked at hill we have hill air force base i have not i grew up right by there it's a pretty sweet place i'll have to check it out i'll have to check it out are they do have to check it out. Are they, do they do civilian work there? Yeah. My friend's dad worked there like his whole life. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

Stuff. All right. Check USA jobs. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds good. Yeah. Hill.

All right. Well, all right. Yeah. Then you guys can dress up like Top Gun and Maverick for Christmas. No, for Halloween. Oh, boy. Would that be so fun? Top Gun.

Top Gun. No, Maverick and Goose. Yeah. You guys could dress up like those boys. There you go. You don't make it, Justin. Sorry, buddy. You have to be Top Gun.

You have to be that old cute guy that's the dad on Steel Magnolias. You can be him. I'll be Val Kilmer. In the first one. In the second one. Iceman. No, you have to be someone more nice. You have to be Goose. Chuck, can you be Maverick because I like Goose better? I can do that. Can Justin be Goose?

I can do that. You can be Meg Ryan. Is that what you're saying? Oh, she's got, yeah. I need better hair though. She's got the best, yeah. Yeah, she had some good hair. I need better hair, though. She's got the best hair. Nah, you ain't got good hair. I'll start running, guys. All right.

Take some weight. Well, that's fun to think about. Yeah. Okay, if you guys move to Utah, then we'll have Halloween together. All right. Okay. I'll buy a piano and we can do the whole. Oh, cool.

Heather can be Kelly Magoas. Hopefully. You guys can move to San Diego and we could do that in the bar that that was filmed in. Oh, no way. That would be fun. Yeah. Well, they improperly portrayed. So it's kind of.

So I read an article and I kind of agree with this and I haven't seen the movie, but like the whole thing is that that Top Gun takes place on Naval Base North Island, which it totally does not. It's it's it's Miramar Air Station where Top Gun was until it moved to Fallon, Nevada. So they're kind of like misportraying a big piece of naval history. And and North Island is its own special kind of place in naval aviation so it's kind of like there's people who are you know and and san diego in relation to naval aviation and just kind of how special san diego is as a city like there's there's there's definitely people talking crap about that movie and just how it misused San Diego and North Island and, and the story of Naval aviation. And so it's kind of, it's interesting. I,

I haven't seen it yet and I probably need to see it, but yeah, I'm, I'm like reading all this stuff and I'm kind of like, yeah, kind of so, but yeah, no one even talks about Nevada Movies are not representing reality Oh man But they should because they're so into it I've heard the cinematography In the new Top Gun

Is fantastic Oh yeah it's pretty exciting I mean it's Pretty much like the first one There's a lot of similarities But it's fun I mean I feel like it there's a lot of similarities but it's it's fun sure i mean i feel like it's you know the retelling of the story you know what i mean like you know it's a little

i feel like it's a hallmark movie of top gun because it just makes you feel good the whole thing it just makes you feel good yeah it's kind of like when they try like uh the karate kid one what's the new ones of those the cobra kai thing where the the show playing on the nostalgia more than really a good yeah than anything really yeah it works but i think i i don't know a lot of people like top gun that never saw the first one and still haven't seen the first my friend's seen it four times yeah and she's still haven't seen the first one right or did she no she saw the first one i right? Or did she? No, she saw the first one, I think. Somebody, I can't remember. I mean, I'm not going to lie.

I don't even know if I. Top Gun was one of those movies that got me like, okay, I want to work on fighter jets. I want to do that. That's cool with me. And when I got to get orders rolled, I was placed high enough in my class that i got like first couple pick of the orders and i didn't know what hsl 47 was but i knew where san diego california was and i was like i'm going there and they're like cool that's helicopters i'm like ah that's not what i want like so but but it was cool i mean it ended up being the biggest blessing and the fighter guys

work all the time and their their op tempo is crazy and their maintenance hours per flight hour is crazy. So it's like, dodged a bullet. For sure. For sure. Oh, that's cool. I still need to see the new Jurassic park movie.

I don't know. I still geek out about those shows. For sure. Were you the same way as a kid? Oh, definitely. Yeah, definitely.

I think that's one of the common threads in reptile people is we all liked dinosaurs when we were kids. Which is kind of funny why people are not like the John Weigel thing makes sense. He went from reptiles to birds because he liked dinosaurs, right? You know what I mean? I get that part of it. Dinosaurs are birds. Intuitively, it doesn't make sense. But if you know, you're like, yeah, no, he likes dinosaurs.

Of course he likes birds. Exactly. All right. Well, I don't know. Rob recommended this podcast, kind of changing topics a little. It's called Common Descent Podcast. little it's called um common descent podcast and it's uh i don't know i listened to a few of those they're really cool common the common descent podcast um they they're having like a special crocodilian and snake preservation or

conservation months and so like june and july are crocodiles what is the is this just like a talk what is the the premise of the podcast they're they're mainly dinosaur nerds okay just kind of talk about a lot of different topics so there was one that rob recommended it was about the moon and that was really cool to learn some cool moon facts like the same side of the moon faces the earth so you only see one side of the moon and and there's no real dark side of the moon because the sun shines on all the sides you know at some point all the alien colonies that are on the far side of the moon yeah exactly yeah and and the fact that the earth swells up almost you know not quite like a rugby ball but kind of oblong a little bit because of the

gravitation of the moon and so we're basically kind of have a have a fatter middle because of the gravitational pull of the moon i thought that was cool yeah and it's like the biggest moon ratio per for you know compared to the planet and anything else in our solar system or is it does it change the equator it little bit, but it's mostly the middle. Yeah, because you would think it would be because the most mass sits in the center of the sphere. So I'd check it out. It's a cool podcast. What is it called again?

The Common Descent Podcast. The Common Descent. Okay. Yeah. So it's kind of like evolution type podcast. It's pretty cool. It's fun. Yeah. So it's kind of like evolution type podcast. It's pretty cool. It's fun. Yeah.

Anything else cool out there you've been hearing? Oh, my gosh. You were on Lizard Brain Radio. Yes. I still haven't got to that one yet. I need to get to that one. I was listening to Eric Haycraft. That's who I was.

He was on the Lizard Brain Radio recently, and he's the one that keeps all those um basilisks and stuff nice uh so that was fun to listen to and and joe hop was on there recently we listened to him while we were in uh arizona i think me and eric he's a pretty fascinating guy drove in to get yeah joe hop's cool he was uh he gave a talk at that same gecko symposium that I spoke at. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that was fun. Really cool guy. Keeps a ton of cool geckos.

I'm sure the gecko fans out there know his name. Do you guys want me to tell you my favorite podcast? Ooh, what's your favorite podcast? Sorry, they're not reptile-related. Oh, boo. I like to listen to What a Day. That's a quick one put out by Crooked Media. I like one called This Week in Mormons.

There's a little Mormon one for you. I really like Tig and Cheryl's True Story. Oh, that's a fun one. We listened to that one together. That one's good. And what's that other one? If you want to be my friend. Pen Pals. Pen Pals. Yeah, that's a keeper that one's good and what's that other one if you want to be my friend pen pals

yeah that's a good one and behind the bastards is a good one too there's some fun non-reptile related podcasts I'm sure everybody listens to a bunch of different ones and here's one for the girls I'm still trying to find how to do fake eyelashes and I can't do it

so send your tips to Justin on how to do fake eyelashes. I will be sure to pass them on. He hates fake eyelashes. Oh dude, I should, I should hook you and my daughter, Sophia up. She is just into eyelashes and she,

she, she does like, so now she was doing like jewels. Like she was, she had like a performance for one of her ballet things where she had to do like jewels on her face and then so she was like i'm bedazzling and she's eyelashes you bedazzle and i'm just like oh my gosh i love it for me and chewy because now for me and chewy are just like oh my god you can probably put some on the dog's toenails The estrogen level in this home is pretty high

Yeah, that's fair Jake hides out in his room all day So he's no support And the dog that's a male Is just kind of ornery I guess Hatchie's a boy So we're evening out a little bit And you're hiding in the reptile room

I hide in the reptile room But summer helps me out there so that's fair yeah yeah that's true there's another good one you can form fun relationships in other ways with your kids all right well that was a fun discussion hopefully uh our listener got some good helpful. And if you guys want, I will study up a real subject, and I'll fight you about something like... Ooh, the gauntlet has been dropped. Let us know if you want to hear Heidi's wisdom. Like a little Heidi's Corner segment of our podcast.

Yeah, it was fun to have you on. She's like, I'll study you up, and I'll beat you down. That's right. Like a bar of soap and a sack. I will put in a good word for families. It's good to have strong families and work together

to make a good family. If you're having conflict in your herp relationship, work it out. There you go. Alright. thanks for listening to Reptile Fight Club check out

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