Retronauts - 483: Retronauts Episode 483: The Warriors

Episode Date: September 26, 2022

197! Boppers of the world, unite! Diamond Feit, James Eldred, Diana Goodman, and Mikel Reparaz gang up to talk about The Warriors, the landmark 1979 Walter Hill film and the video game(s) based upon it.

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Thank you very much to Alan Barry, who requested this topic. And it's, at first glance, you're kind of like, The Warriors, that was. a movie, right? Yes, it was a movie. It continues to be a movie. It's a, let's say, a cult, cult popular movie, but I think it had a lot of influence in the sphere of video games. And of course, it was a video game. But we'll get to that topic. Let's talk to our guests because we've got three wonderful people here joining me. Oh, I'm Diamond Fight, by the way. Hello. And let's start with a previous guest who's been in Japan, who's here in Japan with me.

We're not with you, but I'm in Japan. Hi, this is James Eldon, and I can dig it. Yes. And how about we have two guests joining us from the state of California? This is true. I'm Michael Rappara's. Longtime retronauts listeners might know me from years ago. I was on a few episodes with Bob and Jeremy,

but I run a show called Vigigamapocalypse that you can find at Vigigamapocalypse.com. And I'm Diana Goodman. from 30, 2010, where we look at movies and TV and music 30 years ago, 20 years ago, and 10 years ago, we started too early to talk about the Warriors. And that's not fair. Oh, no. Yeah. Well, that's part of why I built in, like, we do a classic corner of things that are like more than 30 years ago entirely so I could just cover stuff that I like. Always, always worthwhile, because, yes, so thank you very much, Michael and Diana and James. Thank you so much because this is, you know, It's a movie about gangs.

We've got to get a gang here to talk about the gang movie, right? I can't just do this one myself. So I guess the first thing we should always do in a topic like this is just share our personal histories with the Warriors because I think everyone here might have been alive when the movie opened, but certainly far too young to see it. No, not your James. Too, too young. I was off by about five months. Okay. But in any case, we were all too young to see it in the theaters. So I'm very curious how we all discovered.

Let's start with you, Mike. cycle. Yeah, I guess I would have been old enough to see it in theaters, but I would have been like the crying baby that and people wonder why their parents bring them there in the first place. I think when did, I think I saw it with you. Yeah, I think we watched it together as an adult. And I'd seen it probably as a teenager. And yeah, I don't know how it came up. It came up. So we watched it. Yeah, it's one of those movies that, like, I didn't see until I was in my 20s or 30s.

And like, along with Rambo, escaped from New York and a few others, what was the streets of fire, where I watched it. It's like, oh, this is where all the video games and anime I grew up with came from. This was the template. I got it now. Absolutely. And James, did your father show you this movie? Yes. I have my own podcast.

I forgot to mention Cinema Oblivia. We're talking about old movies. And I have mentioned my dad a lot on that because he was instrumental in my movie development in his negligence. And this was one that because when my dad was divorced, he would just get movies. We had a video store. He owned a video store. And he would just. grab movies for me who at the time

I was probably six and my brother who was like nine to watch and that's how I saw the thing aliens Beverly Hills Cobb Nice he took me to see dead heat in the theater You know normal stuff And so we watched I know I watched this movie when I was probably six years old With my brother and I didn't get it at the time

It was cool and we loved it It's one of the very very very few things my brother and I have in common. And from there, I have re-watched the film countless times, and as I've gotten older, I've enjoyed it on more levels. Like, as a kid, it was just a cool movie. And

when I was a teenager, it's like, yeah, fuck the man. And then when I went to film school and shit, I was like, wow, this is like a real movie that is like saying things and is filmed in a remarkable way and is kind of an artistic achievement. And fuck the man.

So yeah, it's a it's one of my all-time favorite movies I have the soundtrack of multiple formats I have the game everything about it I I'm a huge fan of this movie beautiful probably top five I mean top five movies of all time that's oh wow excellent excellent

all right as for me I I remember coming across this in a weird way because I heard about it from friends this is you know sort of the in the pre pre internet days people would just talk about movies and they oh they saw on a movie somewhere and maybe they didn't remember the title, but they knew it was like a bunch of

gangs got together and this guy gets up and he's like, can you dig it? Can you dig it? And I hear these things about the movie, but like, what is this movie? What is it called? And so it wasn't until probably, you know, like early IMDB days and but still video stores were open kind of situation where I actually track it down, find the movie and rent it and watch it. And I remember really enjoying it. And then it just sort of, I kind of forgot about it for a while. And then I thought about it again when it became a video game. It was like, oh, yeah, okay, that makes sense to make a game out of this movie that clearly influenced people who made games. And reviewing it again for this podcast, I really had a good time watching it because it's also, you know, as we're going to get in discussion, it's an extremely New York movie.

They filmed this movie on the streets of New York, underneath New York, and that really comes across. And it's a portrait of New York from a very different time. you know, I grew up, I should say, for those that don't know, I am from New York, so I grew up at the, well, I grew up during a time when New York was getting over some really hard times, and we'll talk about that, but, you know, to see this movie sort of reflects kind of a hint of the subway that I first rode, you know, when I was riding around, you know, when I first went to New York and rode the subway, like, the subway cars were covered in graffiti. Like, that's the, that was my first memory of the subway, like these, these giant machines just covered in. in paint and just illegible but like what this means something to somebody what does this mean you know so yeah i think the warriors is a classic filthy new york movie

i mean it's up there with a french connection and taking a pelham one two three just like this is the new york that doesn't exist anymore thanks juliani yeah it's it's for me my my filthy new york movies are what pelham one two three this and basket case

if you just want to if you want to see the absolute not to get off topic the absolute filthiest new york and the Watch Basketcase at Times Square is like, you want to clean your house after watching that movie. But yeah, this is, this is great filthy New York. It's like, yeah, you might get killed walking down the street, but it's so cool. But think of the art being made. But you could go to a punk show.

You can see the birth of punk hip-hop and the best air of disco and almost get mugged or end or murdered. You know, you've got to take the good and the bad. Yeah, you might get in a cab and Scorsesey's there. ranting about shooting his wife in the face. Good times, man. Oh, he's not saying face in the movie. He does not say face. He does not say man either.

That Scorsese does not exist anymore. Thank goodness. So actually, we should probably touch upon that because I know, I mean, I know, Diana, you're from Philadelphia and James, you're from Ohio, and I don't know where you're from Mexico. What about, what is your New York history? Because I think that's relevant to the topic. Who's been to New York?

When did you go to New York? Oh, gosh. Yeah, we went up to New York a couple times when I was a kid, and then we moved to California. And so most of my gritty city memories are going back to Philly to visit all the friends. And, you know, getting into fights on the basketball court and my aunt getting mad. My mom getting mad sending me to California again. You know, everyone's heard the story. I grew up in Washington State.

I've been to New York twice. first time in like 2004, I think, to visit a friend who lived in Brooklyn and got to see some grimy-ass subway stations, but I was immediately impressed by like, I think I understand the New York mindset now, why the stereotype is that New Yorkers, especially in Manhattan, have this type A personality because you can get anywhere in this city in like five minutes and you get so impatient if anything holds that up for any amount of time. Yeah, I definitely feel that. I'm also, I'm also a quick walker.

So it's like I'm walking, I'm walking around. And like, if you were in my way, like, you better be bleeding because I'm not, I've got no patience for you. Just please. Are you going to tell them that you're walking there? Hey, it's in my head. I'm walking here. It's in my head. You say it like that, like in the movie, hey, I'm walking here.

The second time I went, it was to visit Rockstar Games. So I stayed at a nice hotel and didn't get to see as much of the city as I would have liked. But rock star. That's relevant. Yeah. I've only been to New York, I think twice, not including airport layovers. I only went there once to see New Order. And that was like 10 years ago.

And then I went, since I've moved to Japan. And that's about eight years ago. And I mean, New York's fine. But like, for me now, it's very like, you know, when I go, when the first time I went to New York, I was sad. I wasn't almost mud and I couldn't go to a punk show. So, like, this is, this is the New York in my head that I've always wanted to be to when it's gone. And, you know, if you go to New York, it's great. Go to Times Square.

It's, yeah, it's clean. It's Disney as hell. But it's, it's worth going once, you know, to see it. And the museums are fantastic. And if you can go to a good concert in the city, go to a good concert in the city. You know, that's what I think of. When I think of New York, I think of concerts and museums now. Not gangs and violence and graffiti.

Yeah. There's still in South Philadelphia, most of Baltimore. more like you want that experience it's out there I mean I I lived in Pittsburgh for a decade and it's not that it's not super I mean it's grimy from that pollution but it's not like if you want if you want the

the dangerous city experience there are areas there too and you know Ohio is Toledo is now my hometown is now the 30th deadliest city in America so hey wow something to aspire to it with 29 yeah anyway

sorry anyway so I mean in Pittsburgh like what was your gang then I mean what was your aesthetic they have well the Pittsburgh I mean you'd think of you black and yellow but it's not it's a I mean I think Pittsburgh just has blood and grips you know Toledo Toledo in the 90s had a pretty big blood and grip problem too you know so you know the mainstays I really want like a mining theme to Pittsburgh gang with you know like the miners helmets with the light on them and they like choke you with a terrible towel a Pittsburgh theme

gang would dress like the Steelers and call themselves the Ingers, I would imagine. We're going to kick your ass and gnat. Anyway, that's enough Pittsburghies. They spend their weekends hanging around the mall, eyeing zombies. Yeah, and then they get those gigantic sandwiches with the fries in them. And then smash talk for eagles, you know. It is pronounced eagles, technically. And it still is?

Anyway, we're going away off topic. it's all right it's urban it's urban it's urban talk we're we're on brand we're on brand it's survival in the city when you live from day to day city city streets don't have much Spinning In the That's where you stay You're in the city. Yeah, yeah, Joe.

You see this thing here? Could you tell me if it's good or good or not? Well, I'm going to need an hour. Yeah, at least. Should I just wait over there or you want me to talk about to talk it out with you guys? Yeah. Cool. Come on.

Let's go. Podward Review. We review things so you can do things. Every week on the HyperX Podcast Network. Hello, listeners. As part of the HyperX Podcast Network, we're letting you know that this year is HyperX's 20th birthday. To celebrate, they're offering some great deals on their award-winning gaming gear. If you're in the market for a new headset, a new microphone, blue-light-blocking eyewear,

or any number of other high-quality HyperX products, head on over to hyperx20.com to check out all the birthday deals. Once again, check out the HyperX 20th birthday sale over at HyperX.com. So yes, the Warriors, it's a motion picture. It released in 1979, February, 1979, and it is a product of the man, Walter Hill. And I think Walter Hill is a man who really, he shouldn't need an introduction considering the long career he's made and the many influential movies he's made. But I feel like because he hasn't really had a influential work in decades, I think a lot of people, these days might not know about Walter Hill, which is a shame because some of the movies he made.

I feel like Michael Mann gets a lot of the love that Walter Hill should get. Gritty, crime, drama, actor-focused. Yeah. And they're both super stylish. Like Michael Mann has a style to his work and early Walter Hill from like hard times to probably streets of fire just oozes style. He's one of my favorite directors of that era. Like he has made some of my favorite movies

And yeah, he's All he always says Every movie he makes is a Western No matter what it is Because it has a very simple story Good guys versus bad guys You know Which is ironic because both of Westerns suck

But you know Well not all of them One of Long riders is good But Geronimo and Wild Bill are not in good movies So yeah But anyway Does Last Man Standing count as a Western or is that I was going to say

That's kind of a Western I mean, it's yojimbo. Yeah. Yeah. It's so, I guess so. I haven't seen that since it came out. Is that good? I don't have strong memories of it.

Yeah. What Walter Hill movies, like, do you want to talk about his movies at all? Like the standout ones or what? This is a video game podcast. So we definitely want to mention the fact that specifically hard times and streets of fire were called out by name as things that influence people. making games in the 80s and 90s, especially people of Capcom. There was a story by the final fight from a final fight interview. We had a final fight episode about this on the podcast.

And they literally had a bunch of TVs in the office. And their producer or the executive was like, here, we're making a movie about America. You've got to watch these movies to get a feel of what America's like. And hard times and streets of fire were in that playlist. And, you know, hard times. I wish America was that cool. But, of course, you know, hard times, literally in Japan, hard times is called Street Fighter. And there is, there's that shot of, not Brosnan, Bronson, sorry, Charles Bronson fighting a guy in front of a tugboat, which is like, well, that's Street Fighter too, right there.

And, of course, Streets of Fire has a lot of beat him up to it. And, you know, the guy, the hero's name is Cody. This is one of the enemies is wearing one of those weird plastic jumpsuits that William Defoe was wearing. It's like, it's just, there's a lot of direct references to that thing. So I think, you know, the Warriors definitely, we'll get, we'll get into this later. But I think the Warriors has a lot of also video game influence as well. But I think it's less explicit. Like, I think Hard Times and Street to Fire are like, there's a lot of one-to-one stuff there.

I think the Warriors is more like anyone who made a video game that involved gangs and fighting around. They probably wanted to at least invoke memories of the Warriors. But he's done, I mean, he's a lot of stuff. I mean, 48 hours was a huge hit. And I think that's kind of, it's a template for like the buddy cop movie. movie, I would say, right? Like, that's just, you got, you know, two guys and one of them's wild, the other one's a little older, and he's, you know, he's too old for this shit, you know, that kind of stuff.

That's, you know, and that's, that's, that's what, like five years before lethal weapon? Like, that's early 80s, uh, 48 hours, right? Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's 82. And that, like, that's the movie that made, uh, Annie Murphy's career before Beverly Hills cop, like that, that movie, you, you watch that movie, like, yeah, you have to, that'd just be famous. Yeah. I think it's hilarious that Walter Hill

like through his films is such a major influence on either directly and directly on video games at Capcom like that's that is that is funny to me and also before he was a director he wrote Get the Getaway with by Peck and Parr and you see that in games too

so a lot of his work and also he was a writer on Alien and he's not credited as a writer because they changed the script so much as a producer but between I always I used to It's a joke that every game is either street... For a while, every game was either aliens or street to fire. Either you're fighting people on a street or you're fighting space aliens or both.

So it is crazy to think just how much of an influence his early work is on games as a whole. Sometimes direct, like any early brawler where it's like, shirtless dude in a vest is fist fighting a bunch of people. Double dragon, renegade. Yeah, it's like literally where is its influence? on its lack of sleeves. So the Warriors, so Walter Hill was the director. He also co-wrote it with a man named David, David Schaber. And I think the only other really interesting to me,

Schaber script is Nighthawks, because it's also, I think, Warriors adjacent and that you've got a lot of New York crime and you're in the subway a lot, except this time it's Sylvester Stallone and Billy Dee Williams as a bunch of cops trying to hunt down terrorists played by Ruddor Hower. So that's a movie I think that doesn't get enough respect these days.

I've never seen that. I've got to watch that. That's good times. Yeah, that's pretty good. It's one of those movies where people like, oh, wait, Sylvester Stuck Alone can do other things. And then he, like, chose not to for 20 years. But, yeah, he's good.

Yeah. So we've got producer Lawrence Gordon. It's this huge, huge name in the movie world. I think, yeah, eventually he became the president of 20th century Fox. He just, he's touched so many films in film history. Andrew Laszlo's cinematographer. I definitely jumped out, jumped out of me here, is that he did First Blood. So that's another movie I think that looks, you know, looks fantastic.

It's, you know, you just get all these wonderful shots of trees and mountains. And you really get the sense of just beat the Pacific Northwest. It's like a character in that movie. I love, I love watching that movie and enjoying, enjoying all the sights. Yeah, Laslo is an underweighted cinematographer for a lot of movies. He did one called Fun House of Toby Hooper, which is not a good movie, but it looks great. and he also did Rima Williams is one of my favorites

and he does cities really well like first blood's great because all the nature but I think that Andrew Laslow between this streets of fire and Rima Williams like he does grime like urban grime really well he's like we gotta get these streets

wet I don't mean that I don't mean that in an accelerated way like he like we have to get these streets wet because it'll look great and then we don't have to worry about continuity of weather also. Sorry, looking at his filmography, is that you think that's how he got the newsies gig? He went out, he went out on newsies.

He went out on newsies. I appreciate, you know, hiring an old pro for something that's such a throwback. Sure. Yeah, makes sense. Sorry, I don't want to step you on Tooth Diamond, but I think it's hilarious that this movie's fully produces a Lawrence Gordon, Frank Moswell, and Joel Silver. Because, like, the combined filmographies is like billions of dollars. Yeah, I mean, there's this not a lot of,

There's not many bigger names out there other than maybe like a Spielberg, you know, like, as far as like raw producer, like, Joel Silver, Flink, like these guys are famous for being producers. I think anyone else who's a former famous producer probably also directed something or wrote something of note. Like, these guys are most famous for being producers because they produced goddamn everything. I mean, Silver, Silver did Predator, Silver did The Matrix. Like, Silver's done it. I, we would be here all day. But, yeah, giants. Yeah, you combined got the producers of the Predator, the Matrix, Die Hard.

in Indiana Jones on one movie and like because Joel Silver started as an assistant for I think Gordon and one of these guys I forgot which one

and it's this and then he worked with Water Hill a lot and then he left Waterhill first and then Lawrence Gordon did eventually after a few bombs but yeah

they all started without without Walter Hill you would not have Joel Silver hmm yeah very very important to his career I think that's fair

without this movie you would not have the Matrix That's what I'm saying. That's so weird. Yeah, if we didn't have the beat-em-up movie about guys in silly outfits kicking the shit out of each other for 90 minutes, then we wouldn't have all these other movies. Or Action Jackson, you know, a lot of other Joel Silva classics.

Jackson. Hell, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm happy to talk about this in this movie in particular with the eye towards video games because it seems so obvious, but that never occurred to me before. It's like, yeah, this is, you just got to run through a bunch of levels, and each one has a theme. That's it. That's, and apparently that's an ancient Greek notion.

Yeah, xenophon invented video games. I want to get back to that. I want to get back to that later. One more thing before I move on, though, I do want to mention the music because I think it is, the movie is definitely famous for his music. James, you seem to a lot. Tell us about Barry, James. My favorite musical Barry, maybe behind. Barry Wright above Barry from the Bee Gees.

Barry DeVosan is a composer. He worked in like rock music back in the 50s and 60s, but he really kind of hit his strut as a composer and did a lot of different stuff. I think his most famous work outside of the Warriors is probably the theme to SWAT. That's good music. Which is a banger.

He also did the theme to Cooley, music for Cooley House is a great movie. and Rolling Thunder, which is a disgusting movie I love. And also Xandardue, which I... The music that was not... The music that was not ELO was him. But he is all over this movie. He was one of the first composers to really combine rock and electronic and symphonic elements together.

And you hear that in SWAT, obviously. And you hear it here. And I just... I think his score is fantastic. It has a propulsive energy to it It moves and it's just so good And the original songs are good too Like this has that my favorite Joe Walsh song in it

Like Joe Walsh the best eagle I think we can go with yeah I mean Yeah I don't have a problem with that I thought it was Eggle eggle Eggles Okay No no not the Eagles the Eagles And it has that great cover of nowhere to run

And it had the Desmond Child song on it and Desmond Child, he, like, he wrote all of Bon Jovi's hits and, like, Kiss and and Rat, and every 80s band had a Desmond Child song. So, like, the soundtrack is stacked, not just with the composer, but with everything else. And if you want to hear it, there are different vinyl releases you can get, but if you can find the La La Land Records reissue that has the complete score on one CD and then the original soundtrack on another CD. And that's the best way to hear it. You know, if you get all the warriors all the time. Yeah, it is such a, it's a very simple score. But yeah, propulsive is the good

word for it. It never, it never like, I don't know, steals attention in a way. It's always very complimentary of the action going on. You know, you don't really think about it as you're listening to it until you're like, oh, wait, let me stop and think. Gosh, this is working. Yeah, and that opening theme is so good. And one of the reasons it's so good is because, like, he wrote it as like this nonstop propulsive like super fast thing and then Walter Hill's like you can't hear the dialogue and but he's like no I can't slow it down

it's important it's like no well I'll cut it and so then he changed the song to have those parts where it drops out and comes back and when it comes back it comes back stronger each time so instead of just being like a nonstop intense thing it's something that builds to look at to a peak

almost like you know like don't stop believing or something and I think it works really well for that scene and it sets that opening scene just sets the tone of the film so well and you would not have it without the music. I'm sorry. I just, I love this. I love this. I love this. It's fine. Please. Please tell us all this stuff. I just, it's funny. As, as good as the music is, and I definitely, rewatching it recently, I definitely got caught in the music. Man, this music is really good. I also thought about the contrast. You know, this is, this is New York in 1979. Like, hip hop is being born, you know, on the streets. You know, I, I think about that. Netflix theory is the get down. Like, you've got. You've got. all this, you've got all this sort of musical revolution happening. It's not

reflecting this movie at all. And that's okay because this movie is great music, but it's almost like, I feel like if, if someone ever eventually does try to remake this movie, I feel like they're going to swing really hard into like sort of hip hop or early rap or like, you know, Grandmaster Flash, something like that. So I feel like it's a very different, the music is very different than what people were probably actually listening to on the streets necessarily at that time. But I think it's, it's great that has an identity. and I feel like it holds up it almost holds up better

because it's like this unique feel to it but it's almost am I making any sense I don't know it isn't you're right but it is important that this movie came out

before Rapper's Delight okay so this movie actually kind of predates the beginning of the commercial viability of hip hop I won't

it probably came up before Rapture which was the first time you know I mean that's Blondy a white gold rapping but that's still the first rap on a pop hit

so rap is definitely a thing on the streets with like bombada and that stuff but i think in 78 79 it has not it's not there yet to to be in a film you know i think still if you thought of like quote unquote urban music you'd still think of like motown and soul yeah we're at the point where rap starts rap and hip hop start coming in because of some of the electronica and disco and that sort of weird overlap of a really repetitive beat and now i can wrap over it that's kind of where it starts. So, yeah.

I'd love you to somewhat freestyle over this. Although a lot of people have sampled the music. My favorite is there's a band. There's a band called a Pop will eat itself, which is most well known for that's what Clint Mansell came from, the composer. And they kind of started as like a British Beastie Boys. They have a song called Beaver Patrol.

It's really funny. But they have a song called Can You Dig It? And you can imagine. And all it is is Cyrus's speech in him saying, Then you dig it with the guys in the band just listing off the things they like. We like Run D. We like Run D. M.C. Alan Moore. Like let's drop, name dropping all the shit they dig. It's dumb as rocks, but it's a great song.

So let's talk about the cast. And I think the cast has movies very interesting because considering how long and strong the legacy of this movie is, I feel like a lot of the actors kind of don't have much of a legacy. A few of them do. A few of them have had great careers, but a lot of them just kind of faded away. In some cases, this is their only film. And it's just kind of a, it's an interesting mix of superstar character actors and people who you just really never hear from anymore. I think it's debatable. Who do you think is the biggest, the biggest name when you watch the movie today? Who do you think it is? Mercedes rule. Mercedes, I mean, she won an Oscar. There's no doubt about that. She won an Oscar. Oscar winning cast, yes. I would think James Remar. James Remar, I think, would be, like, the most recognizable. He's probably the guy who's worked the most, you know? Yeah, a lot of people are like, oh, he was on sex in the city.

Yeah. Oh, that's why I don't know him. Okay. A lot fewer people would be like, oh, he was the replacement riding in, or raiden in Mortal Kombat Annihilation. Definitely one of the funniest roles, I think, on his career. I think he's the most notable warrior, you know? Maybe Michael Beck, a swan, but I love Xenadu because. you know stereotypes are true

so like I think that one but I think the most famous cast member in the film is David Patrick Kelly who plays Luther two reasons one he has the line that everyone quotes forever yeah he's the one he's the Warriors come out and play guy

and he has so many iconics like he's also in Commando he's Sully right who Schwarzenegger promises said that he'll kill last but he lies and he was in the crow. He's great in the crow. He has really small roles in the John Wick movies. He's the cleaner. He's in 48 hours. He's in every Walter Hill film, I think, up to street. He's like he's in a lot of Joel Silver films. Like,

Joel Silver must have liked him. He's in Twin Peaks. He was in Malcolm X. He's in a few, yeah, he's some David Lynch stuff. So like, he's a huge character actor. Damn minute. He's, he's the, he's the brother of Ben, or not Ben. Yeah, Ben. He's Jerry to Ben. That's right. Owner of the Great Northern. Oh, my God. I never put that together before. Yeah. You're welcome. That's him. I also think of him a lot as it's a very small role, but in the movie, flirting with disaster. Oh, I never seen that. It's the one where Ben Stiller's looking, trying to find is his biological parents. And he plays a, he plays a person who he thinks might be his dad. He's like a truck driver. So it's a really small role, but it's a very, it's a very, it's a very, it's a It's just a very funny, very funny part, and he shows up, and he's, he's a truck driver, and he's, he's excited to meet his potential son, but of course, it turns out it's not really a son, but it's a really, it's a thing I think about a lot. Small scene. Yeah, but, yeah, so many people in this movie have barely acted. Like, when Brent, the guy with Rand, when Brent, he passed away if it made IV complications, young. Cochee's, David Harris, he's, he's only in some small stuff.

Cowboy He quit to be a photographer Vermin Who has the big one That's his line I got the big one Anyway sorry He quit to work in news

And then he quit to be a congressional lady So like You got the big one Yeah And then there's My favorite story is Fox Thomas G. Waits

Who was not even credited Because he argued with Walter Hill so much And he's someone who gets killed Then they weren't He was supposed to be the lead and they rewrote the movie to kill him and then made Swan the lead and he's in a few, he's windows in

in the thing and he's in a few of the movies but he says it's his fault he's to blame not walk to hill and it's such a weird scene too because like he his character wrestled with a cop and then it's like you don't see his face anymore because it's not him and then the cop just kind of throws him

on the train tax and it's like and then he's like right in front of the train and he dies and it's like well he's gone now And they never even ask what happened to him. No. Nobody seems to notice that he's not here anymore. And he's like such an important character because we've gotten all this way without even explaining what the plot is. He's, I mean, he's in a way, he's the McGuffin.

He's the witness to who actually shot Cyrus, you know, at the gigantic gang meeting. All the gangs get together and they figure out, wait, we could totally just take over the city. There's way more of us than there are cops. And it's supposed to be, you know, a meeting with no violence, but then somebody shoots him. And the Warriors get blamed. And now they got to run through everyone else's territory to get home. Yes. That's it.

That's the plot. But he's the one who sees who actually did the shooting. And it never comes up again. Because it's Luther. Yeah, Luther's the killer. Like, yeah, that actor, Thomas G. Waites was almost a big deal. Like he had a lot of buzz early on. And he was offered this movie and The Wanderers, which was.

which became a big problem, I guess, during production. Two gang movies. That begin with W. And so he was offered more money for The Wanderers, but he liked this movie more, so he took it. And I think alcohol put an issue in his life and kind of helped root kind of his career. But yeah, it is weird that he's like he is positioned as the main character.

If you watch the movie knowing this, you're like, oh, yeah, that is kind of, like the movie this kind of changes. Like, and then, hey, it's this, it's the swaner. show. Thank God it's not Ajax. Ajax sucks. But yeah. And there's a DJ.

Yeah, you never see your face. It's Lynn Thigpin. Let's all sing in praise of Lynn Thigpen. I take it back. She's the most recognizable person in this movie for me. And you never see her. Yeah. But you know that voice.

Yeah. Yes, he's the chief. I feel like she did a lot of PBS stuff, right? I feel like she might have also been on Square One or something else. I have a lot of memories that adjacent to like the children's television workshop with her I feel Seah did a lot of ABC stuff

ABC after school specials I know that and Cio's in like a lot of a lot of TV and all kinds like sees one of the sea was like hey it's her yeah I remember her as the somewhat antagonistic mom in

the Joe Clark movie with Morgan Freeman I always forget the name of this movie lean on me she's in that and she's kind of like she's a mom who's not happy with the principal and so she's always like in his face about that i always remember her from la law because i was a weird kid uh me too so i watched elli law what didn't every 11 year old it was a popular show i i was there i was there when when she fell down the elevator shaft that wasn't her but that was like the best thing that ever

happened um set for topic Anyway, so I'm rewatching, I rewatching, I rewatched the Warriors last night, and something hit me that never really hit me before about like, yeah, fuck the ban. Right after Cyrus gets all these gangs together and says, we could take over the city, we super outnumber the cops. the cops show up and they don't try to put that into motion. Everyone just scatters. And I think without actually saying it, I think they're kind of saying this was a dumb plan. There was no there was no B to the plan. It's like get together.

It's that old meme, right? Like, you know, team up, step B, TBA, step C, profit. Well, in their defense, they were hit before they were able to come together and come up with a plan. and form any sort of group cohesion. Right now, it's just like they're not a gigantic gang of hundreds of people. They are, you know, just a bunch of gangs of nine people, all of whom are afraid of the cops. You know, I never knew one of any straight-up gang members,

but I was friends with some low-life shitheads. And in my experience, low-life shitheads are not going to organizing. Yeah. No, they're terrible at it. So it's like, because if you think about anyone I knew who was associated with gang sold weed, And, you know, they could barely organize a raid in Guild Wars, let alone, let alone get together and plan a coup of the city government. So I, Cyrus knows what's up. Cyrus is the shit.

And the riffs obviously are the Black Panthers. But I think the rest of the New York City gangs, how are the Black Panthers going to work with the Mimes? Like, what are the Mimes going to bring to this? like the the mime game you enter jane us he's trying to tell us something he's trying to tell us something what i can't tell pull on that invisible rope we had the mic that we had a lookout it was the mime oh fuck

i do wonder how they decide on the outfits it's like okay the grammercy riffs they keep it pretty simple they go with basically red karate geese okay you know and that's like for the street level guys and then, like, the sort of captains, they have, like, kind of fancier Asian outfits. Okay, fine. But, like, okay, and then the baseball furies, who I think are, like, the most iconic thing out of this. Encipher laughing so much.

It's a baseball town, New York. We love baseball. They don't even talk. They're just menace. Yeah. They're the evil mimes. Yeah. Okay, and their thing is carrying baseball bats.

All right, so should we wear uniforms? Yeah, I guess. But then, like, their turf isn't even over by Yankee Stadium. it's Riverside Park, which is like... And then we got that kind of mime makeup on. Then they get in a big fight, and I'm disappointed that all the warriors don't have just, like, paint all over their hands

for the rest of the movie from beating on these dudes. When I was a kid, I loved baseball furies. Because, you know, and that's like one of the parts where this feels like a video game, right? Because it's like different stages. And that's the base... The first stage is the orphans. and they suck.

And then there's the and then the skinheads, the multiracial skinheads, what's that I like? Yeah, the Turnbull Aces. The Turnbull Aces. They try to run you over with with a school bus

and you got to outrun it and they look like they have so much fun. It's kind of a bonus round, honestly. Yeah. And then and then you get the fear of the theory is that's like the first hard stage in the game, right? That's when they,

that's when the game starts cheating and they have weapons and you don't. It's like, it's like when you first see a bobo and double dragon. Like this is when to get real. These guys have makeup on. But as an adult, it's like, this is so fucking stupid.

Like, it's great. It's great. It's great. But as an adult, you're thinking about like, okay, they all had to get together and pick out matching outfits and coordinate their face paint. And you just think of like the effort that went into appearing like this. And it starts to, the menace

goes away. Yeah. And it's like, well, but you still have baseball bet. So that's something to worry about. Yeah. You can't, you can't put this much effort in your appearance and be a good gang and be a scary gang like nobody nobody who's tries that gang numbers don't try that hard yeah and we see a whole bunch of gangs so it's like they're wearing a satin jacket i'm like okay sure yeah the ryan gosling gang that's okay and then you know there's another gang i just call it cuban dads they're just all wearing red hawaiian

shirts they look happy if you want a good breakdown of the gangs go to the japanese wikipedia page and translate it. And they break down all the gangs. So they list them all. The rogues, the aces, the orphans, the furies, the lidsies, the punks, the riffs, the hurricanes, the boppers, the high hats, the eliminators, the Huns, the moonrunners, the Sackarins, the mothers, the Jones Street boys, the, this one is not translated correctly, the and the gladiators and the panzers. So people who have one scene in the movie that they gave them a whole line in the Wikipedia page. So that's good stuff. Can I just say my favorite, my favorite gang who appears only in the opening montage, I think, are the guys, I think they've got all suspenders on. And they very politely,

they buy a fistful of tokens and they put the coins in one at a time so they can all go through the turn style. They're the most polite gang members of all time. I know. I, you know, we see a lot of mixed race gangs. I appreciate every gang. Pretty much every gang is mixed race. We don't see any co-ed gangs. And that's why the Lizzie's are my favorite. Because no one sees them coming. Their job is to stand around until guys hit on them, say, I'll come back to our place and then I'll pull switchplates. I love that they're called the Lizzie's because, like, we can't call them lesbians. No.

But what's close? That's got to be intentional, right? I just, yeah. It's either that or Lizzie Borden, but I think more than likely because they have the two girls who are dancing with each other. I feel like that really cements it. And they're almost like sirens, like going back to like the whole Greek moment part. Like they, they are the temptresses who lure them away. and I like Rembrandt

Okay, people might not know this, I'm gay So like I get I get a gay vibe from Rembrandt Yeah The actor and the character And I do appreciate that he's the only one who's like This is not right Something's wrong here

And then his big tip off is that something's not right It's like wait those two girls are going to kiss We're in trouble So I I find that really fun. But yeah, that is like the most like Greek part of the movie, I think, like going back to like mythology. Actually, kind of interesting because that part, that part comes right after the group sort of gets split up for the first time. And it's like, so part of the group encounters the Lizzie's and they have that whole scene.

But that's also what happens to Ajax also meets the undercover cop. And that becomes the whole thing. So it's like in both in both cases when the group gets split apart, they suddenly face temptation from women. Yeah. And the women are not what they see. You know. Yes, but Ajax had it coming because fuck that dude. Yeah, he had it coming.

She was like, yeah, no, of course we're about to have sex. And he likes it rough and he's got a forster. So, yeah, he has it coming eight ways from Sunday. So she's a cop, right? Yes. So here's the thought I don't get about that sting. Like Ajax isn't wrong. Don't get me wrong.

I understand that. Okay. But she seems down for consensual acts pretty eagerly. So if he would have just been cool, would she have been like, Like, what? Like, because he's a pig and a creep and he gets gross. But early on, like, she's like, hey, don't play so rough. And then he stops him.

So, like, what's the, did she just know he'd be a piece of shit? Like, what if he wasn't a piece of shit? I don't, what's the question? Maybe she was just going to, like, quietly demure and see if he turned violent then. Right. Otherwise, he gets to go on his way. Yeah. I feel like that's a hell of the sting.

That's not the sting. is actually there to do. I feel like it's purse-snatching or getting propositioned as a hooker. Oh, yeah. That makes sense. Because I know that used to be an undercover thing that they'd make the lady cops do because they're jerks of just like, yeah, go act like a streetwalker for a while. So he tries to pick you up.

I see Night Court. Yeah, exactly. Documentary night court. I mean, she's in a park at night. We don't know what park it is, but she's in a park at night. It's Riverside Park. You see enough landmarks. you can tell. It's Riverside Park.

But it's like, that's definitely, you know, it's 1979. If you are alone in a park at night, you are kind of, you are seeking attention. So I feel like it's almost like, speaking of underrated movies, it's almost like money train where, you know, you've got the whole decoy cop thing. I feel like she's one of those decoy cops. Like she's there and she's not doing anything because she's hoping someone will come up to her and try something and then she will arrest them because she's got the hand. She's got everything waiting. So it's like he approaches her and she's. kind of like, oh, this kid is, he's probably

trouble, but I'll talk to him and maybe he's not. Maybe he'll make the right choice. And he doesn't make the right choice. And he tries to grab her, and then she locks him up and the cops are, like, because the cops are there in like 10 seconds. Like three cop cars. I'm probably waiting in the bushes.

She's that woman in the cage and Mad Max for the road. That's bait. That's bait. Oscar winning bait. Thank you. What is when you asked for Fissar King? Fisher King, yeah.

I've never seen that. It's wonderful. I know. Very strange movie. It is very strange, but I rewatched it for 30, 2010, and it's freaking great. So what? I can't get around in nowhere. I got nowhere.

I got nowhere. Nowhere to run to, baby. Nowhere to hide. Going around. Maybe. Now at a while. Where to ride. Yeah.

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He's the guy who gets hit in leg with a stick. And I think these days he's more famous because he was Billy and Predator. He was the tracker. He was the, you know, he's a, he's here, no man. What's out there is no man? Like that's, that was him. And he's in 48 hours. Oh, yeah.

He was probably Walter Hill regular. Yeah. And IMDB claims that Steve James and Robert Townsend were in the baseball furies. So do you all know what Steve James is? I know Steve James is. Yes. So Steve James is my hero. Steve James is in two of, no, he's in three of the American Ninja films and a few other canon films.

He is this massive black. dude of an amazing mustache. Oh, yeah. Who I have been told makes people quote thirsty. And he is a fantastic action actor, the completely unfairly forgotten.

He passed away kind of young. And I have some, one of them, I just did a podcast about American Into 2. Speaking of the classics. And somebody who I was working with in that one, I forgot who took a screencatch from like, I think that one, Steve James.

And there's somebody named Stephen James in their credit. and Steve James lived in the area and he was a stuntman. So it makes sense, but you can't tell which fear is a black. Right, because they're all painted up. It's dark in the face paint,

so I have no idea. And Niravit Townsend one, that just confuses the fucking shit out of me. I feel like that's someone else with that name. He's too wiry. He was a little guy back then. That'd be amazing. Maybe what, a teenager?

He was in Streets of Fire. Oh, gosh, you're right. Okay. So, who knows? It's possible. It's possible. I think Steve James is more believable. But yeah, for me, Steve James,

I always think of him as the karate guy, and I'm going to get you sucker. Yes, he's Kung Fu Joe. Yeah, Kung Fu Joe. Yes. And he was supposed to be Jack's. He was supposed to be Jack's Mortal Klamap, but he passed away. Like, that was what his son said in an interview.

Yeah, Steve James is great. You want to see good Steve James, American Ninja 1 and 2, and a movie called Avenging Force, which you can just find on YouTube illegally in 1080P. Go for it. Good Steve James stuff. Sorry. I am a Steve James Stan

Rightfully so So the Warriors I didn't realize this until watching it again this time The Warriors are based on a book So the book is credited to Seoul Eurek This was his first book And definitely looking at his list His most famous book

The book was written in 1965 According to Eurek It's not my best book I wrote as kind of a joke It took me three weeks to write And I think One of the most important notes Is the fact that you know

being a book about gangs in the city he had a lot of characters of color, you know, especially, you know, the main gang in the book is all black people. And when it came time to make the movie version, suddenly the studio wasn't okay with that. We have a quote from Walter Hill

and Walter Hill says, Paramount wasn't too high on the idea of an all-black cast as they explained for commercial reasons. Sorry. Sorry, I'll take a drink. Excuse me. I think it's as that sucks shit but given the controversy that the film had later

it's probably good because if it would have been an all black movie and then had that violence that would have the amount of shithead racist bullshit that it would have coming from this movie would have been terrible yeah the think pieces that we got about New Jack City glorifying violence

yeah yeah the idea of oh well they're saying And on the other side, there's, you know, older saying all black guys are in gangs. It's like, no, just this gang. I think you could say like the multiracial makeup of the warriors kind of works in their favor because, you know, it kind of helps cement like because they've overcome any sort of racism and they're all working together. And it's almost an idealized cartoon idea of a gang. It's like Saints Row or something. And it makes it more of a fantasy. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. It makes the whole movie, it cements the fantasy a little more. Yeah. Or they've gotten past race and it's just about, you know, economics and class warfare. Because Walter Hill wanted to have this movie set in the future. That was his plan. Yeah. The funny thing is, I sort of assumed it was set in the future until I think I played the video game and it very clearly establishes it as 1979. Yeah. And then that's even more confusing. What year is the game again, 2005? Yeah, I think so. Something like that. Right. Because that's also when the director. cut came out, which actually says it is in the near future.

Yeah, that's a weird, yeah. Let's talk about the director's cut. It's a weird director's cut. Yeah, it's a weird director's cut because it doesn't do a hell of a lot, but it does put in cartoon interstitials like we're reading a comic book. That's, that's the big change and an opening thing about the story by Xenophon, that this is about, you know, the Greeks who had to, the Anabasas, the Greeks who had to fight their way back to their homeland. And it's like, well, now I don't feel so smart because you told me. I held on to my old DVD forever for this because the only Blu-A for a long time was the director's cut. I did not like it.

I don't like the comp book transitions. Like I know Walter Hill was a big comic book nerd. He wanted to be a compic illustrator. I get it. But it doesn't fit them. And especially as I done in the director's cut, that obviously computer, like it's CG art. And it takes you out of the movie. and the narration is pointless

like he won an Orson Welles narrate the movie which is hilarious you know and then he did but he did the narration for the director's cut I think and it's just it doesn't work there's a new DVD there's a new Blu-Rae box set by imprint that has both versions

and I will never watch the director's cut for me I am right or die with the original that doesn't hold a candle I don't know what versions on streaming Um, rental, I, it varies. I ended up with the director's cut and it was not labeled that way. But I just knew it was like, I don't remember this and look it up.

Oh, well, this director's cut. Yeah, the version I saw was the director's cut and I was very confused by the beginning because I was like, wait, did I get the wrong? Is this the wrong link? What happened? Ancient Greece? Is this 300? No. Comics, comic fans text in my warriors?

No. Silent Hill HD all over again Oh Oh God So yeah This movie It went It was not a big budget movie

But it certainly went over that budget Rather quickly Well yeah They're shooting all on All on the streets And late at night, sure But I think I saw there was like one set

Was built for it Yes I think the bathroom The biggest bathroom ever Yeah Because you got to have guys Rollers skating in it Because that's scary

Yeah. Almost the entire film was shot in outdoors or underground locations all in real places in New York City. A lot of the locations were chosen for how they look and not necessarily geographically made sense. I think probably the biggest thing is in the, you know, the open of the movie is this big scene in the park. And they keep saying it's the name of the park and it's in the Bronx, but they're not shooting in the Bronx. They're shooting in this, in a park in the upper west side. And right after that, when they escape the park, they run to a cemetery and the cemetery is in Brooklyn or in Queens somewhere. So it's like, they don't really follow any geography. And if you, so if you pay attention and you're from New York, you won't get into it in that sense. But you can still react and still enjoy all the real places they film, except for, yes, that one bathroom where they have the big fight scene because you're not, I mean, at this point, I don't think there's any toilets in the New York City subway. I think there might have been at one time, but even then, you would never find one this big. I mean, it's big enough for what, they'll have like 20 guys inside and they're thrown each other into mirrors and smashing stuff. the holes like yeah that's that's a set but i demand authenticity from my public restrooms there are plenty of public restaurants in a new york subway they're called the cars

like from what i from my experience in the new york city subway uh oh hey you know Tokyo is very clean but i i will say i lived in Tokyo nine eight and a half years i have seen more people pee and train cars here than in new york city so i not i don't want to slam new york too much you know that's a universal problem i I did do a bit of a nerdy deep dive into, okay, well, what subway trains do they be taken here? And does that make any sense? And there's a blog scouting New York, which he moved to L.A., but he went through every single

scene where it's shot. Let's go look at it now. Oh, cool. And, yeah, and it's really interesting. I love seeing the trees grow up. It is so cute. And you're like, oh, that's the same tree. But now it was kind of driving me nuts because, yes, I did actually pull up a

1979 New York subway map to figure this out and make sure nothing has changed. And the big thing about them saying, we have to get to Union Station or Union Square, that's where we change trains. It's like, that doesn't make sense, though. You should be changing at Times Square. What are you talking about? Yeah, that doesn't quite line up. But you can tell certainly a lot of the Union Square stuff is in Union Square, which I appreciated,

because that's station I've been to many, many times. Although in general, a lot of the subway stuff was shot at Hoyt-Shermerhorn. I've never said that out loud, which is a really big. station in Brooklyn. I apparently had some closed, had some closed off areas. So it's been used for a lot of productions, and such as Michael Jackson's bad video was shot there. So it's a big station. In fact, if you look carefully when you're watching the Warriors, you can see some Hoyt signs on the wall that are either covered up by other names or just completely uncovered. Like, you're not supposed to see them there, but like they missed a few. But that was like

their go-to location because it's so big. Yeah. Yeah. It's supposed to be 96. 6th Street, but which 96th Street? Because there's one on the east side of the park, one on the west side of the park. And there is a way where this makes sense, honestly. If they were taking the train, if they got out of Woodlawn Cemetery and they took the train to Union Station, then they would change trains there. And that actually makes sense, except it doesn't make sense because they leave the station and get chased by the baseball Furies into Riverside Park, which is on the other side of town.

And I nerded out way too much about the geography. I really spent time on it. It's like, oh, it's so close to being perfect, though. You know, I'm in Pittsburgh, and, you know, when I watched Zach and really make a porno, a great film, I, hey, the geography does not make sense here, but, you know, that matters to me, not to the general viewing public, who just didn't watch the movie in the first place. But, you know, I think, and I think the filmmakers are probably more concerned about not getting killed with everything else going on because Diamond, I guess, they had issues making this movie. Yeah, well, it's, I mean, part of it is tied to the fact that what was New York like? New York in the 70s was having some troubles, having some serious, serious troubles, filthy and dangerous. I know from headlines the president told them to drop dead.

Yeah. Yeah, that was, I think, 78. So I did some, I found out some stats. So according to FBI statistics, during the 70s, New York City averaged over 146 violent felonies per year. And that was number one of all states. Like that's, I mean, New York City, but statewide, because let's face it, New York City kind of stands for New York State as a whole. New York State as a whole ranked number one in violent crime and robberies throughout the 70s and for a good chunk of the 80s. Good chunk of the ages, too.

Number one. It's all Buffalo, though. That's the secret you don't know about it. It's too cold. It's too cold to do crimes in Buffalo. This is true. And just for contrast purpose, for the last 10 years, which, of course, you know, the last 10 years is a much larger New York City. Many millions more people live in New York City now than they did 40, 50 years ago.

They only had half as many violent crimes. So it's a stark contrast. And especially the subway itself was also especially bad. We have a quote here, and it's September 1979, just over 250 felonies per week were recorded in the subway, far above any other mass transit network anywhere in the world. So it reminds me of that old, there's an old SCTV skit where someone says, in New York, a man is mugged every 12 seconds. This is that man. There was a whole vigilante group. Not that's the Guardian Angels

Another one that read that hoop Who picketed this movie later And their main thing was Staying on the subway It's to find people To stop muggers Because it was such a big problem Well yes

I mean we have the quote You have the quote there from Curtis Slewa That was the guy who eventually That his group eventually became the guardian angels Oh that's oh the many of 17 Became the Angels I didn't Oh that's that guy Yeah

Curtis Slewa he was the guardian angels guy Is he the shitty one who ran for office recently Yes Yeah Oh yeah not a great He kind of sucks Not a great guy. I'm just saying that's the guy.

Not a great guy, but that's him. Yeah. He, I want to read his quote on to Warriors. It's like he said this movie was violence from front to end lacking a plot. And I wish because I would watch the set out of that, you know, whenever you get a moral outrage for a movie, and this was more justified in some ways. But whenever you get a moral outrage, the movie that they're describing is always sounds way cooler. Yeah. than the actual movie.

But, yeah, it's so violently the same time. And then that translated to, like, gang problems when they're making the movie, I think. Well, yeah. I mean, they're filming real shots on the street. So they had to deal with real gangs as well. And, you know, depending on which story you read, they were either paying off gangs or the gangs were harassing them or maybe column A and column B. Like, it was just, it was a mess. It was a mess.

Well, you're donating on them? Yeah. Because they're shooting in New York City. They're shooting at night. And they had some, I guess for the big park scene, they probably had some extras who were probably real gang members. And then it's like who gets to be on camera, who doesn't? Then you've got fights on that respect. It's just this incredibly difficult shoot.

I have a great quote here from one of the actors who said, they were going to shoot a scene on Avenue A. And I should stress right now. So Avenue A is a neighborhood called Alphabet City because you've got Avenue A. A, B, C, D. The lower, it's like the Lower East side. And, you know, I'm sure it's fine today. But in the 70s, that was like a really bad neighborhood. And the quote is from the actors, like, they had to cancel a scene because there was a double homicide of the block. Oh, geez.

Well, the real gang in Coney Island at the time was called the homicides. Like, that's, like, calm down. My favorite gang story about the movie is that They hired an NYPD gang advisor Like an expert And they went to him and they're like The gangs want us to pay him off so they can film And he's like well he used to do that then

He should probably pay them Because it's just they Because the gangs want They want $500 You know it's like It's paramount pictures Like let's pay the gang It's just easier to pay the gang

It's not worth the trouble If you don't pay them and then, you know, they can work as security. That always works out great. That was a great idea. You know, just ask the Rolling Stones. They had gang members were stealing stuff on the set. So they had an idea of like to get the costumes back.

They had a raffle. And you bring your costume back with a ticket and you could win a prize. But then people were mugging the winners. Good shit. It's good shit. It's kind of. funny because like the warriors themselves are they're not quite heroic

but they're more like they seem more like vigilantes than criminals like you never really see them committing crimes they they're really just more about like yeah we're no we're a real heavy set we we will take on all comers and yeah it's a good question what is the worst

crime they commit in the movie they jump term styles several times oh no they jumped the term styles more than once I feel like the movie's portrayal of gangs is kind of a 1950s, 1960s, like, a little bit of like, they're just tough kids who want to hang out together and maybe hang out and rumble and pick a fight and maybe, maybe steal some shit. Like, drug dealing is not in the equation here. Nope.

You know, sex trafficking is not, not in the equation here. This is, yeah, well, you know what I mean? Like, nothing. They carry one Molotov cocktail just in case. No guns. No guns. No. Yeah.

Yep. They have the emergency Molotov cocktail. They can just throw it the orphans and now all the orphans are dead, I guess. Got to have your EMC. Yes, you're right. Yeah.

The orphans are the worst. I feel so bad for them after this viewing. I always made fun of them because, like, you're all dressed like Shaggy from Scooby-Doo and you suck. The orphans suck. I didn't realize, oh, their problem is low self-esteem. When they're, like, lying. The Warriors are lying.

him like, oh, yeah, our social worker totally told us about how tough you are. He was like, yeah, we don't have a social worker, or we, do you mean it? Oh, yeah, because they're so, they're so scared of the orphans. They're so, I don't understand why Mercy is not in charge of them. Like, why is she just showing up to goad them like, hey, do something. You forgot to mention her, too. Yeah, like the only female character. frankly. Debra van Valkenberg. Mercy. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, what is your deal? And like, there's a point where she's like, okay, well, I guess I'm with the Warriors now because they beat up the orphan. So I'm with them. And they're like, why? And she's like, and then she's like, and then she's like, and then comes back and it's like, I'm with you guys now, I guess. Even though they've repeatedly threatened her. I think she's kind of like Marty McFly's mom. Like, she's kind of a danger. Like what I don't, I don't, there's not a nice way to say that. Like, like,

Guys can be this too She's a dangerous slut Like Danger slut She's just like She will see She go to the orphans to fight You know

Because she's looking for action Yeah And she gets off on On the intense And when she has to throw down later She throws down She bites that dude The damn neck

Mercy Vampire killer Yeah She's great She's also in Streets of Fire I like her a lot She didn't get enough good work Deborah Van Valkenberg, yeah.

Yeah, and it's a much better character than I guess it was in the book where a bad thing is done to her by our gang halfway through the movie or a book and then she's just gone. That's it. It's a cautionary tale of don't get involved with the gang because then they will all

assault you and then you're not a character anymore. Ugh. Yeah, they are definitely much more heroic in the movie than any book. in the day or night Don't you ever be ashamed any time it's right

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We also talk about what you're playing when you're playing when you're. join our community. Subscribe to Colette and Matt have entered the chat wherever you get your favorite podcasts. I think there's an interesting contrast. So you've got this, the movie opens with this big meeting. And the implication, at least the implication that I get from the meeting is that people were told to show up with nine people and no weapons. Like, this is a meeting, this is a specific meeting for a certain number of gangs and a certain number of people per gang. But it's like, you get the impression that the warriors just all showed up.

Because like other gangs seem to have, you know, backup or, like the orphans, you see some orphans. And then one orphan runs away. It's like, oh, he's going to get more orphans. and orphans but the war the warriors just see like that's all of them I don't think they don't I don't think they have any backup I think that I think that's all show up and that's that's it there are deleted scenes there are deleted scenes that do show that okay um Leon the warlord pick these guys to come with him okay so like in there there is the idea that there are more of them but it is strange that they go back to Coney Island and no one's there for them exactly that's what I'm talking about like they get home and it's like okay we're home at last we have no backup and we're still in danger. Yes. It's like 5 a.m. and they don't have cell phones.

All the other Warriors are asleep, one presumes. Yeah. And it's, yeah, it's been a really long night. I just learned literally right before we recorded of the Ultra Run, the Warriors Ultra Run. Yes. I kind of want to go check this out now, but only the beginning or the end. I don't actually want to watch people running where they have, people run the route. It's 28 miles.

and there's a group of nine and they get a head start and then everyone runs after them and they got to run all the way to Coney Island and they start at one in the morning and they don't shut down the streets it's an underground thing I'd be deadered and shit

like either my heart will I be stabbed one of the two like there's no you know it's just over a marathon you know and yeah usually it's running about four hours by like people who know what they're doing and it's like I do want to see the beginning of that race of everyone getting together in their costumes and then okay go in the middle of the

night fuck uh were there more gang members in the video game or is that that it um you see them yeah i don't think you you don't you don't like there aren't more like original warriors that were made just for the game i don't think okay you see a lot more of the other gang members and they're kind of given more of personality and individual uh treatment but yeah we we were playing the game or Michael was playing and I was watching because I suck at games and I did find it pretty interesting that you think most games it's like here's what happened after the movie and that this is almost all here's what leads up to the movie and then here is the movie and then that's it you're done yeah it's you're not just playing the movie and you're not playing a fake sequel you're playing a fake prequel plus the movie itself yeah because just the movie isn't long enough yeah I think it's really really funny that the game establishes that the Warriors are only one of the gangs in Coney Island. So it's like this East Coney Island and West Coney Island. Because like, to me, Coney Island is not that big a territory. So it's like in the movie, it's like, oh, we hang out

in Coney Island, which, you know, it's geography-wise, this lines up. That is the end of the line. Like, when they get that train, that's the end of the line. Coney Island's the last stop. So it makes sense to me that there would just be a gang that hangs out in Coney Island. And like, you know, when they're not right in the cyclone, they, you know, they beat people up and they wear the little vests. And like, that's their thing. But in the game, it's like, oh, we're on, you know, we're east Coney Allen. The destroyers are West Coney Allen. We hate them.

It kind of undercut them a little bit. Yeah, the Warriors are like a splinter group from the destroyers who are now taking over. They're on the rise and the destroyers are on the decline. Yeah, that's what it feels like, yeah. Let's go steal car radios. I mean, that's made explicit. There are flashback missions where you play as Cleon and Vermin as members of the destroyers and then they get betrayed and like, we're going to start our own. gang.

Yeah. And we're not going to wear shirts. What do they wear in the winter? That's how tough they are. Oh.

This all takes place in January. No one said anything. Just layer on more vests. They can cut people up their nipples. It's great.

Did you want to talk about before we go to the game too much? Do you want to talk about what happened when a movie came out? Yeah. We can talk about the reception because it was a hit movie.

This was a hit. Yeah. It opened into a crowded. I mean, Granted, I couldn't, you know, it's hard to find exact release information and weekend breakdowns from 1979, but the word is from all the quotes is that it opened on a very busy, crowded weekend. I mean, it's February, so, like, not a busy time for movies, but also, like, it opened against a lot of the movies, and it opened at number one. So it was a hit. Yeah, it beats Superman.

Yes, and it ended up grossing about $22 million, and which makes it the 17th, according to Box I was. Mojo, that's the 17th highest grossing major film of the year. So give you an idea of where it was. It beat Life of Brian. It beat Animal House. It beat Norma Rai. It got beat by the Rose. It got beat by 1941. Manhattan and all that jazz.

The highest grossing film of that year was Superman, which made $93 million that year and $134 million total. So, you know, only a fraction of that, but it's open, strong. It got mixed, but good reviews. Janet Maslin and Pauline K.L.

both loved this movie. Wow. Hugely loved it. But it had problems. And can I talk about that a bit? Please. I don't get to bring that up now. You found this data. Give it to us. So whenever you hear about the Warriors now, you hear like, oh, it had to get pulled

from theaters because of violence. And that's always what I weed on Wikipedia. And they say people died and stuff. And I'm like, I wanted to find out what really happened. So I dug through the news. paper archives to dig in the actual detail. So there were three major incidents. Two happened on February 12th. One happened a week later. In Oxnard, California, there was a, quote,

racial altercation in the lobby, and an 18-year-old kid was stabbed to death. Oh. I don't know. I know the stab-eurs saw the movie. I don't know if the stab he did. Sorry to make light of it. But yes.

Then on the same day in Palm Springs on a driving, a 19-year-old was shot in the head. Oh, jeez. That killer only got four years. He got for Voluntarily manslaughter. I imagine what happened was the other person started it, too. And also, the laws for that were way more lenient back then. I guess, yeah.

And then a week later, on the 18th, some kids who saw the movie stabbed somebody in the subway, and he died. He was 16 years old. He was not in a gang, but he knew. them because it was like a neighborhood thing. And so, and then for the first one, the family of the first victims sued the filmmakers in the MPAA, I don't believe they ever went to court. I couldn't find anything about that. If it did, they settled it and set it up.

But, like, people were really surprised by this. And a lot of theaters pulled the movie. Paramount paid to have more security at some screenings. Most theaters said there wasn't a problem. Some were, like, some theaters were, like, I wish, no one's coming to see this goddamn. movie. Other ones were like, well, we've had some vandalism and some kids fighting,

but not a big deal. I found, I like, what Walter Hill's reaction was basically he's like, I'm not saying terrible things didn't happen, but at one point you have to say, so what? Are you going to make films for the least responsibilities of the audience? What are you going to do?

Like, you know, he can't make a movie to, you can't police yourself when you make a movie. And I feel like that's a good. a good a good viewpoint on it eventually they did pull the movie they pulled the ads they re-did the ads to take out all the lines about gang members and they put out ads like one of the ads was just Pauline kale's review like her entire Pauline Kail was a major film critic in New York in the

70s and incredibly persnickety and I'm kind of surprised that she would like this because she loved this movie a lot of time she would just think like oh violence is just such a cheap way to get a reaction out of an audience when happened to storytelling it was the style the style of a got to her and a lot of the critics who loved it and even the ones who didn't like it like ibert like the style and appreciated the minimal script like walter hill he didn't write it but when it was finished he like he cut the shit out of the script to make it the dialogue as lean as possible like there are scenes that have no dialogue and that's kind of his thing and but so they brought the way back but it didn't really it couldn't

recapture the momentum it had before and so it didn't get a full theatrical run, but even with its only minor run, it was still a hit. But I do think it's crazy that you hear these stories about, like, people actually dying from this movie. Because of this movie. And, like, you heard that later on with Boys in the Herod. I remember that one. And I remember

in Pittsburgh, someone was murdered in the lobby during that 50-cent movie. Get Richard Die Tryin? Yes. In Pittsburgh, we called it Get Popcorn or Die Trian. Sorry. But, so like, and sometimes you wonder, okay, is this moral panic? Because he's

movies have black casts. Like, I'm sure there are movies of white cast, so people fight in the parking lot and shit, but no, it doesn't make the news. Yeah. Now, that happened with, yeah, Boys in the Hood and New Jack City both had, you know, fights in parking lots afterwards and they made such a big deal. And it's like, have you watched either of these movies? They are not condoning violence or encouraging it at all.

Especially Boys in the Hood, Jesus Christ. Come on. Yeah, so it's a moral panic. Kramer versus Kramer. Three couples got done. divorce right there in the lobby. My parents got divorced not too soon after that movie. God damn you, Dustin

Hoffman. I knew it. Citizen's divorce. Every time. Yeah, it is, you know, it's a sad people died. It is sad. But you can't blame a movie for that. Like, it's just people suck. And sometimes sucky people

do shitty things and as is life. You know, shitty people go to the movies too. Exactly. And they get into fights. Yeah, and no one sued after all of the singing and dancing in the parking lot after all that jazz. I wiss. No one sued after roller skate accidents in Zanadu. It should have.

RIP. Yeah, RIP. Yes. Also, you know, Swan is in Zanardu, which I always, whenever I watch this movie, I'm like, you're in Zanardu. Yeah, and those roller skating guys show up and you're like, hey, you know how to deal with this. Yeah. Come on. But it is, yeah, like, it's just one of those things like, yeah, a movie about gangs is going to attract more gang members to watch it, obviously.

Like, if they made a movie about English teachers in Tokyo, I'd watch shit out of that. But you can't blame the movie for the people sucking, I think, you know. Yeah. No matter what that guy from the Guardian and Angels wants you to believe. So, yeah. So we've, you know, we've had, we've had a long chat about the movie itself at this point. Let's, let's get into the, the legacy and the adaptations of this movie, because there were, in fact, two video games. We should mention just, just a matter of fact,ly, in 2009, the Warriors Street Brawl, which is just an ugly sin, beat him up that was released for a downloadable, download market, it's 2009, you know, everyone, everyone's got to make a downloadable game at this point.

So it was on Xbox Live, it was on Windows, you can watch it on YouTube, it looks like ass. It's just the ugliest piece of crap you've ever seen. Yeah. Much more notable, I think, is The Warriors from 2005, which was a rock stars. Rockstars published this, and I think Rockstar Toronto developed it. Yes. Not the same as the Granted Thought of people, but certainly in the same corporate umbrella. How's his name's on it.

How's his name is on that game. Like, it is a Rockstar game. That game's great. Yeah, it's fantastic. And the thing is, like, yeah, if you wanted something like the street brawl game, there is like a retro-style beat-em-up within the Warriors' full-sized 2005 game that you can, I think you unlock it as an extra, and it's like an arcade game in the Warriors hideout, and you just go up and play it, and it's like a loose adaptation of the events of the movie.

And I think at the end, the ghosts of Cleon and Cyrus, fight each other it's pretty great I forgot about that I played through the first part of it recently and I like how they

recreate the opening of the movie you know and then it flashes back to like Rembrandt joining and they got as much of the cast

as they could to do more dialogue yeah you know like they have to play Rembrandt passed away so he's not there and a few of the

a few of the recast they sound a little bit older obviously but it's just you don't see video game movies you don't see games based on movies that often that one are based on a movie that's like at this point 26 years old and when it came out and two it obviously is made by people who love the shit out of that movie and they are just they want to do it justice yeah well this wasn't the first time rock star did that with an old movie like they had a a ps1 adaptation of the italian job like the original michael kane italian job and it was fantastic i told you just a bloody doze off.

It released as like a budget game, and this was when they were sort of transitioning from like an oddball budget publisher to like, you know, it was leading up to Grand Theft Auto 3, which was like their big watershed moment of like, oh, they're actually serious artists and, you know, a big, big force in the games industry.

And, uh, yeah. So, so, yeah, it's, it's really interesting that they, they approached it like this, this very old movie. and like with a lot of love clear love for it and they use so much of it and I like you can get I think you can download it

for PS4 or PS5 yes but yeah it does not work well on PS5 I'll say that okay S4 it works great and they took out some music so if you're gonna it doesn't have in the city by Joe Walsh at the end and almost as important it doesn't have I love living in the city

by fear which is I didn't play the game to complete some recently but I remember I remember very clearly, I love living in the city is playing when you're fighting the turnbell A-Cs. And I was, there's such great music to get to scene like combination because I live living in the city is about how much New York sucks shit. And like, it's like, you know, my, my house is full of sit and puke. I think my cockroaches on all my balls, you know. And it's like you're fighting this dirtball gang. It's a perfect combination. So like, you know, there are, other ways to play that game in 20.

You could get your hands on the PS2 version, by all means, play that instead. If there were some magical ways to find that version, then I would recommend doing that. I tried. Honestly, I was just on vacation recently, and I went to a few retro game shops, and I looked for the Warriors,

and stores had it, but it was actually quite pricey, because I guess it's got a good reputation. Yeah, yeah. So even an open-dused copy was significant money. It still plays pretty good. Yeah, the PS4 version is a little bit janky. Like, I feel like, did the controller get more sensitive or something?

Because, like, the camera is kind of wonky. And, yeah, there are some things that have aged poorly that have nothing to do with gameplay. Like, James Remar says the Fsler right there in the intro. I don't feel like a game would do that now. I want to talk. There's two of them of the game. I want to talk about really quick. One is that, you know, they got all the cast as they could.

But they did not get Cyrus, Badger Hill. and he sued them. Yeah. And then he passed away. So I think he lost. I wonder why they didn't get him. Maybe he was he asking for too much money. I don't know.

But you bring up the part in the beginning. So like there's a phrase that Ajax is quite a bit. Yeah. Yeah. So we not say it all. I mean, I don't mind saying it. Do I me not not to say it? I like sticking with F slur because it's not the F word.

It's the one that's a slur that we don't say. He accused of people of turning F blank. Yes. And I'm happy they left it in the game Because Ajax sucks And you don't Yeah he's he's the kind of guy Ajax is the kind of guy that look if you're gonna be in a fight

And he's there you want him on your side But he's a piece of shit And what's a really shorthand Where someone someone's a piece of shit? I know And yeah maybe that's lazy Lazy riding in 2022 But like if you take that part That's the character.

That character is a hyper-masculine shithead. That's a good point. And the first time he shows up in the story, he is getting rough with a girl. Yeah. He's all over. And in the movie, yeah, he's the only one who throws slurs around. I don't think anyone else ever says something about that. No, no.

I also just love that slur, like the idea of that even, like, that's such a funny phrase, like turning that. Like, oh, no, I woke up and oh, no. Yeah. I'm not all the way there, but I'm turning. I decided I was going to go F slur today. Yeah. Just a mood thing.

Just a mood. Yeah. So I'm glad. I'm 60% there. Oh, no. Yeah. So I'm glad they'll open into the game. And I, yeah, if you would have made it now, maybe you wouldn't do that.

But it doesn't bother me because, again, the fuck that. Yeah. So, yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. Not a slur that applies to me. So I guess I don't get to complete. I don't know.

I think it's interesting. One of the interesting changes, I think, is, you know, we talked about earlier how the Warriors are sort of in the movie somewhat heroic in that they're sort of on the run. They don't really, you don't really see them doing much of anything actually sinister. Whereas the game is like, oh, no, yeah, we mug people, we rob people, we steal things from cars. Like, that's how we make money. We buy drugs. We sell drugs. It was kind of a shock, honestly, because I was used to that characterization from the movie.

And it's like, oh, yeah, I guess they would commit crimes and steal car stereos in a great mini game that is one of the most. memorable things about it. Tagging shit. Like, okay, I understand that. Oh, you're banged up. Go buy some flash from this dealer. And then you'd like pop it like an amyl nitrate cap or something. Yeah, that is the rock star drug use, right?

In rock star games, drugs make you happy. I mean, yeah, exactly. It reflects the era. This is, you know, this is 2005. So, like, we're very much right in the high of the Grand Theft Auto 3 explosion. So I feel like every, every publisher, every studio is trying to, to get in on that. They're trying to make, they're trying to go open world. They're trying to go gritty. I mean, I feel like this is the same era like you had the Scarface video game,

which was all about balls. And, um, what was it? Midway brought back NARC. About, about, about what diamond? Balls. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, Midway brought back NARC. And it was like an edgy, edgy narc where you had to take the drugs to like, do your job, but you couldn't do too much. Jill Bellamy's NARC. So terrible. Yeah. So I just think that was just, that's the style of the time you know like everyone had to be doing drugs and and committing crimes in the game or it wasn't it wasn't cool i'm bummed that you will never see a studio of rock stars caliber make a game like this ever again because there's no money in it like they a triple a studio is not going to spend the money needed to make a triple a video game based on an old property they do not own yeah unless it's marvel or dc or something or star wars where's the long tail where's the live game experience Yeah, and there's no, yeah, there's no live game experience, there's no microtransactions. Like, you know, when I complain about microtransactions and games and, like, online services games, this is one of the reasons why. It's because they, so much effort and time and money is put into those games, that games like the Warriors, there's this no need for these studios to make those games.

So then the only smaller studios can, and they can do a good job, but they don't have the resources to really go, go hog wild and really like, hey, let's get the cast. to do the voice acting again. You know, that's kind of the only, a major studio can do that. And so, you know, we're never going to get a great, you know, taking a Pellon, one, two, three video game in my imagination, or I don't know any of the other old good basket case, to go back to basket case, you know. Any old movie that could make a good video game,

it's just the odds of it happening are pretty slim. Yeah, still love to see someone do like a Death Race 2000 that, like, mods the crew two's entire USA is like one big race, track. I thought you were going to say Death Wish for a second. I'm like, oh, no. No, not that.

The one with David Carreydeen. It's Frankenstein. Yeah. And Stallone. You can make that a life of this game. And I got dibs on Mary Warren off. Stand my whole lives in the city where junk is king

in the assail shay. People are people are all. Piles of blood, scouts and hell. Funniest waste waste. And the feet. People dying. Well, we've had a long coverage about the Warriors, almost They don't care.

Just get that. Tiger Hammer. I live in the city. Well, we've had a long coverage about the Warriors, almost as long as the Warriors film itself. So I feel like we can probably wrap things up here. Does anyone have anything, any last points or last things they want to share about the Warriors that you feel like is really important? I think it is quaint and adorable how few guns there are

and I mean they set up obviously don't bring guns to the meeting and that's why most people don't have guns on them but still and then what they have they got like Saturday Night specials Luther has a gun and this is treated like a big deal. Yeah and the fact

and it's not it's not 1950s West Side Story it's 1979 you could probably buy a gun from a vending machine Yeah but like most people's weapon is a switchblade Yeah and I love that the orphan have to, like, run off and go get them? It's like, the point is that they're portable.

That's why people like switch plates. So, yeah, that sort of 50s, quaint gang idea of, like, that guy's got a chain. That's the most dangerous thing in town. He's got the board with a nail in it. Look out for that guy. He's got a bigger board with a bigger nail. But then, how video game is that, you know? Like, you fight, you're playing a video game.

You face most people who are unarmed. It's like, oh, this guy. has a knife. He's dangerous. This guy's got the Molotov cocktail. He's dangerous. Yeah. He must be the boss of this level waiting for you to throw that Molotov cocktail. Okay. That's another thing about the game. Like, I run into so many things where it's just like,

oh, I threw someone into this store display and it was full of Molotov cocktails and now it exploded and we're both on fire. That happened like three or four times. Oh, God damn. The game mechanic of like, here's how you jump through a plate glass window. Wait, what? Just jump straight through it.

It's fine. Trust me. Fine, yeah. The one thing I want to add isn't so much about the Warriors is more just, if you do like the Warriors, watch more Walter Hill films.

Watch Streets of Fire as one of the most brilliantly bizarre batshit movies you'll ever see in your entire life. Obviously watch 48 hours. It's a less unknown film named called Southern Comfort,

which is kind of like Bayou Billy. Oh, wow. With Keith Carradine, everyone's Hippardine, Fred Ward and Powers Booth, which is like National Guardsmen fighting hillbillies in Louisiana. And I like that movie, but no one else has ever seen it.

I've seen it. I like it. Oh, yay. And there's one more, like, Walter Hill's more recent films have been not so good. He's a new one coming out called Dead for a Dollar with Christoph Walt and Womdefo in it,

so who knows. In 2012, he made a movie called Bolt to the Head with Stallone and Sun Kang, that's Han from Fast and Furious. Right. And Han is the FBI and Stallone is a hitman and act to team up to fight bad guys. It's not great. Kristen Slate is fantastic in it, though, as a drug dealing, sleazy politician. And it's really uneven. It's kind of stupid.

But if you want to see Sylvester Stallone get into an axe fight with Jason Mamoa. like it's not a great film it's not a great film it has like 25 producers it was it's kind of a mess but you you could do a lot worse worth it's been 91 minutes and so and it has those glimpses of water hill like style that it's get drunk and watch it you'll like it all right sorry go ahead actually it's speaking of walter hill i think on 30 2010 i believe we had undisputed coming up in 2002 turning 20 years old oh okay i never seen that I know it has has sequels. Yeah, which always makes me a little dubious.

That's a prison boxing movie? Yeah, Wesley Snipes, which I'm going to go watch shortly. The sequels have Scott Atkins. Okay. Who is like a great B-moot. He's a big B-movie martial artist. Right. He's like the 21st century Chuck Norris.

So I thought it's to watch those. But anyway, sorry. Yep. So, yeah, no, Walter Hill is still chugging along. Bless him. Well, this has been Ritronauts. So thank you for listening, everybody. I'm really, really glad you tuned in for this one.

I think we had a great chat. Thank you, everyone, for joining us. Let's go around and talk about things we do outside of Retronauts. So let's start with, let's start with you, James. Let's go ahead and tell us what's your podcast again, that I've been on several times. Yes, Diamond has been on my other, one of my other podcasts, Cinema Oblivia, which is a podcast with me and kind of rotating other people. I talk about old movies that are a little more obscure, hard to. fine or just not talked about that much anymore

recent episodes have been about Car Wash, American Ninja 2, Therashen, Psycho 2, Alligator, and I've had Diamond on there, lots of other great guests, Brian,

Highest case last time, Ashcraft. Yes? Brian Ascraf from Kataku has been on a couple times. Talk about Walter Hill movies. Yeah, so if you like old movies, check that out. I said, I'm also on a podcast. about progressive rock music

called Alexander's right time band that's my friend Elliot and Jeremy's there sometimes Jeremy Paris is there sometimes as well and we do that

once a month and my podcast Oblivia is every other week and I'm also on Twitter, Facebook, Twitter,

YouTube, pretty much everything as lost turn tape. You know, Jeremy, James, I was thinking watching this movie

I was thinking of your podcast because in the subway when they're running away they run past a foul play poster This is the Chevy Chase Goldie Hawn movie And I'm telling you that is prime

Prime material for your podcast That's a movie that was a big deal And then it just was forgotten Well I bought that because you recommended it And I haven't watched it yet Because I'm an idiot So I've been too busy watching Amityville films

To get into that So yeah We watched with a lamp last night Good sir Anyway Yeah that's definitely Coming soon as Cinema Oblivia Me and Diamond talking about foul play

All right, excellent Michael, why don't you tell us about the VGM, VGA? VGA. VGAIMAPocalypse is a weekly show. We are out every Friday at Vigigamapocalypse.com or on the podcast app of your choice. We begin every show with a top five around some random video game themed topic. And then we talk about new releases, news that week. We have a community segment where we ask people questions and they answer them.

It's a fun time, and you can also find me on Twitter at Wikipara's, that's W-I-K-I-K-I-P-A-Z, where I will occasionally say funny things. You usually say funny things. No, occasionally because I don't post very often. Diana, please. All right, and you can hear me every single week on 30-2010. And follow me on Twitter at L-E-C-I-N-E-N-R-D or the show 30-2010-30-B-0 podcast. We come out every single week looking at the movies, TV, and music of that same week, 30 years ago, 20 years ago, and 10 years ago. And we got some good stuff coming up.

I don't know when this is going to post, but let's see, recently we've talked about everything from Unforgiven to Adventures of Pluto Nash. I enjoyed your discussing on Mom and Dad Save the World because somebody has to, and I'm not doing that. So I'm glad you did. Yeah, we end up finding weird stuff. I think coming up, we have 30th anniversary of the first important director's cut, honestly. Ooh, Blade Runner. Blade Runner, bitches. Yeah.

Yeah. That's right. And then beyond that, oh, gosh, we got singles coming up because I'm so goddamn old. That's the worst thing is I was a teenager watching all these. And then by the time we got to October, we have just in one week, Reservoir Dogs, the Transporter, and Argo. I love when things happen like that. Wizard of War Dogs. Another film I got to watch because of my dad.

Thanks, Dad. Great. Thanks, Dad. You're 13. You can watch this. It's fine. What's he doing in that guy's ear? I should say on Vigame Apocalypse, we're just wrapped up an episode where we talk about obscure and underappreciated light gun games with special guest Dan Amrick, formerly of Game Pro, currently of digitally clips working on games like the Teenage Muti Ninja Turtles Cowabunga Collection.

So it's a fun, what, like three hours, I think. It gets a long as show. The top five is much shorter. Both of our shows run way too long because we end up digging into things just too dang much. Like, I'm sorry. Yeah. After talking about mom and dad saved the world, we ended up spending, oh, God, it felt like a million years talking about stay tuned starring John Ritter. And then, oh, look, we have to talk about the Larry Sanders show.

Well, there goes an hour. I'm a stay tuned fan, so I appreciate that. Thank you. Oh, well, it ended up being a light recommend because, like, well, anyone who saw this as a kid, it's going to, they'll be like, oh, my God, I knew that movie existed. It's been bugging me for years. What was the movie where they get trapped in the TV and they go to hell? That's why I did an episode about a movie called Big Sots last month, because, like, I saw that as a kid and everyone else was like, I kind of know that one. It's real, right?

It wasn't a fever dream. Yep. I love hearing from people when that happens. So follow the show or whatever. Well, we'll awaken strange memories. That's what we do. Speaking of strange memories, this has been Retronauts. Thank you so much for listening. You can follow the show. We have Retronauts.com. We have Retronauts Twitter. You can also support the show on Patreon. Patreon. Patreon.com slash Retronauts for $3 a month. You get episodes one week in advance at a higher bit rate. For $5 a month, that's just $2 more. That's nothing. That's barely anything. thing. You get a two bonus episodes every month. Those are exclusives. And you get weekly columns from me. And I read the columns to you. That's a deal. That's a bargain. Ooh. In the meantime, you can find me on Twitter and Twitch, Fight Club, F-E-I-T. That's my last name. C-L-U-B. That's a gathering of people or a blunt instrument. And, yeah. So before we finish, real quick, everyone, on the spot. So what's your Warriors gang? James, go. Oh, no. I'm not good at this. No? I just want to make self-deficating gay jokes, and I can't, so I'm going to pass.

Okay. Michael? Is this we're making up a gang, or? Yeah. All right. The bookworms. I don't know. Bookworms?

Okay. I got one. I got one. Okay. Go ahead. Go for it. The ego sensees. Nice.

That's English teachers. When we wear suits and we look really tired. That's our thing. I feel like mine wasn't as well developed. And we correct everyone's pronunciation. That's all we do. So I'm sorry. Go ahead.

My gang would be the Madame du Pompadour's. We all dress as 18th century French noble women. And that means we can never actually get out onto the street because our outfits and wigs are way too complicated. Excellent. We're my gang, too. We're the Neo-Jews. We all dress like Terry Bogard. And you cost four.

hundred dollar to pop. Oh, man. We do. I want to join that gang. I was, I was just going to, I was going to say the dollar slice kids. So we always hang out the dollar slice pizzerias, and we eat a lot of pizza. And don't take our pizza or we'll smash you with the can of soda. It comes with a pizza.

All right. Can you dig it? Warriors, make it like a fancy. All this time where I'll ride the devil's steam. I want to stand our ground on this part of town Like the last of an ancient breed Like the last of an issue of breathe Oh