Retronauts - 762: Silent Hill Cinematic Universe

Episode Date: April 20, 2026

Lights, camera, Pyramid Head! Diamond Feit, Jess O'Brien, and KC Green analyze Silent Hill's cinematic roots and breakdown all three Silent Hill movies—including the recent Return to Silent Hill.Retronauts is made possible by listener support through Patreon! Support the show to enjoy ad-free early access, better audio quality, and great exclusive content. Learn more at http://www.patreon.com/retronauts

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They're all special. They're all special. They're like my children. So many. I've got hundreds of children now. And, well, as with this recording, we're about to celebrate 20 years of Silent Hill, the movie. And because it's 2026, we have a brand new Silent Hill movie that's still opening in some areas. So I thought, what better way to spend a couple hours than to host her retronauts and talk about what I'm calling the S-H-CU, the Silent Hill Cinematic Universe, copyright, Fight Club Productions, Do Not Steal.

And obviously, first of all, I'm a diamond fight. I'm your host. I have had not stabbed or been stabbed by any children. And joining me today, first, the regular voice, who I'm sure you already heard and you recognize because she's talked about Silent Hill many, many times. Hello, it's Jess O'Brien, aka Voidberger, and I am being controlled by a small dog in a room somewhere with a lot of buttons. The dream.

It's the dream. And not our first time Retronaut's guest, but first time, for me, Retronaut's guest, Please, Casey. Hi. My name's Casey Green. Also, Casey G. So I sign everything lately. And I was hanging out with my friend Eddie.

We were just wandering through like West Virginia. And then he just kind of disappeared. He had a thing of pizza. We were walking home and then he disappeared into the fog. And if you've seen my friend Eddie, let me know. He owes me a pizza. We're all desperately searching for Eddie. We don't know what happened to Eddie.

I just hope he's okay. Ag good rhythms. Not Eddie. But yes, we're talking about Silent Hill because of the anniversaries and because I just felt like it. Let's be honest. But yeah, and also I think because in 2026, I do think Silent Hill is having a bit of a moment, I think, as a collective thing. You know, Jess and I, of course, talked about the recent Silent Hill 2 remake. and we know there's another remake coming.

I think they said it's the first game. Do they say that for sure? Yeah. Bluebird team is allegedly making the first game remake, and I'm a little excited about it, actually. I'm interested. And it's only been a few scant months ago that the Silent Hill F came out, and people seem generally positive on that one.

I haven't finished it yet. I'm sorry. That's solid. I never got the good ending on that one, though. I'm told the good ending takes many, many full playthrus, which seems daunting. That wasn't really for me. Like, I acknowledge that this is incredibly good and not for me, unfortunately.

I got a, I got a, I got, I got, I got, I got to tend to my plants of Pokapia. Sorry. I'm almost 40. I can't do this all the time all day. But in general, I think Silent Hill is in a pretty, pretty nice place compared to where it was, say, I don't know, like just five years ago where it was just like what happened, what's going to happen. Remember PT? That was pretty cool, but that's gone now. So I'd say, compared.

to that situation, Silent Hill is pretty good. Yeah, I mean, I feel like, I don't know what happened internally at Konami that made them suddenly decide like, oh, we should make good things with this IP. Maybe. Did somebody die up there, CEO area, or what? Are there Pichinko machines not going so hot? Honestly, honestly, Casey Greer, I don't, I think that might be part of it, because let's be, let's be honest.

In the last few years, we had a major pandemic. I'm sure the average Pachinko player is got to be in their 60s right now. And you have to go to parlors to do it. Exactly. Believe me, I've set foot in the places once and I'm never going back and again. It is a nightmare to go in there. Believe me. I'll take, give me the barbed wire and the rusty monsters over the Pachia parlor any day. It's actually less noisy in the Silent Hill other world than it isn't a Pachinko parlor. But yeah.

Konami the Pichinko games, and of course they have health clubs, which I'm sure took a major hit when the pandemic happened. They're probably doing okay now, but still, maybe Konami looked at their usual streams of revenue. It's like, hey, this isn't making money anymore. What if we start licensing stuff out? Also, they probably looked at the fact that, you know, Resident Evil has continued to make big bucks in every medium. It's like, oh, well, we have a Resident Evil, I think. But let's talk about Resident Evil. But let's also talk about Resident Evil because let's be honest.

Let's be honest, Silent Hill exists because Resident Evil was a pretty big deal on the original PlayStation, and the sequel was an even bigger deal. So, well, people say, I think sources point to Silent Hill beginning development like late 96, so probably they started before Resident Evil 2 came out and made a crap done of money. But it's still after Resident Evil came out, one. And so, you know, the writing was on the wall. Like, hey, there is money to be made on this new PlayStation thing for games that are kind of scary and not really for kids at all with 3D graphics and English-speaking actors. And the rest, we just make up. Yeah. And that's how we got Simon Hill.

Let's be honest. Silent Hill 1 is a very curious creation that doesn't kind of, it comes from everywhere and yet it comes from nowhere. You know, there's nothing quite like Silent Hill. But as we'll talk about, there's definitely some stuff in there that can be recognizable as. you know, birth from someplace. Yeah. And we certainly know that Konami, as a company, said, hey, this has got to appeal to Americans, make this for an American audience. Hence, you have all the English voice acting.

Which is wonderful. Yeah. And the PlayStation can only, like, store, like, four seconds of audio at a time. So it's really, like, stilted and it kind of gives it a weird uncanny quality. It's really interesting how, like, because it was on the PlayStation 1, like, the technical limitations actually, like, made it more interesting than, like, the fog was like a technical limitation, I believe. Absolutely. Sure, sure. Yeah, this is a draw distance. You know, they, unlike Resident Evil, Silent Hill went for the full 3D experience, which in turn restricted some aspects, but which in turn gave the game of particular flair and flavor that we're still talking about almost, almost 30 years later.

You know, don't jump ahead too far, but we're closer to 30 than 20 at this point. upsetting And while I would argue that Silent Hill pretty quickly establish itself separate from the other would be Resident Evil's out there, you know, your overbloods, your Martian Gothic's. I think, I think, again, if you look at Silent Hill, you can see bits and pieces of things that were borrowed to make Silent Hill what it is. especially foreign movies because they were targeting American audience. And we have so much documentation to this. When it comes to a Japanese studio and they're making something, and the executives say, hey, make this for Americans.

The first thing they do is they rent movies or TV shows and, like, okay, I'm looking at America on this screen. Now let's make America on this screen, and I'm typing. And, you know, that has produced some fantastic art over the years. You know, some of it, a little strange, but so much of it has been, you know, culture defining. Yeah, I think they got as pegged. Yeah. Which is not to say, of course, that Silent Hill isn't inspired by Japanese sources.

Of course, it's inspired by Japanese sources. Obviously, you know, Junji Ito is alive and exists. Don't get going to be wrong. But I think relevant to this discussion is what it took from American TV and movies to factor into those games, which will then factor into the movies we talk about later. So I put together a list, let's be honest. much, much, much too many things in this list that I found. Yeah, and then I added to it and made the list longer, and I'm sorry.

And it's all stuff that I found either an official source for or it's just too obvious to ignore like kindergarten cup. Yeah. No one, I don't think anyone in Japan has acknowledged kindergarten cop, but look, we've seen the screenshots. They clearly like, hey, what does an American school look like? Well, here's a Schwarzenegger movie, and they're shot it all in a real school, and let's just use that one. It's fine. Nails it. Yeah. It's real. It's a real school. John Jacob Aster, I believe, yes. So I've been talking for a long time. By all means, why don't we start? Casey, you're into the podcast. Anything on this list here that jumps out to you is something that you either love or hate that you'd like to talk about. Yes. The first thing that jumped out, I mean, obviously all the David Lynch there is very much so. Twin Peaks is very good, big in Japan. But the first thing that snuck out that wasn't David Lynch. Lynch was Alice from Jan Zanfankmeier, the Czech stop motion animator.

And I love that movie. His version of Alice in Wonderland is very dark and surreal and grotesque. And I remember something, I don't, maybe it wasn't a Silent Hill thing, but Jess, you and Bob were trying to find out like a, a screenshot from a weird game. Yes, yes. It was Silent Hill 3. Okay. In Heather's bedroom, there is a very.

very strange framed picture of like a weird little guy with a big chin and we're like, what is this? And you recognized it. I clocked it immediately as it was from Jan Sankmeier's short film called The Last Trick, which is about two magicians who are humans with like giant wooden puppet heads that they like open and pull out tricks from. It's just them one uping one another. It's very goofy and funny in a way.

Like obscure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but like I was like, I can't, of course, I know who that is. So, yeah, Schengmeier is one of my favorites that I just found randomly. All of this stuff is found online. Jacob's Ladder, I just watched that recently. And obviously they took that.

No, no, just for the unteenth time. I had a VHS copy and was like, I need to watch this again. Hell yeah. One that may be more obscure, I suppose, that I didn't like as much was the tenant. from Roman Polanski, which is literally, not to get ahead of ourselves, is listed on the movie theater and return to Silent Hill. Right. And I was like, never put a good movie in your crappy movie. Yeah.

Well, it mentioned Jacob's Ladder, which is the good movie, and then the tenant, which is the okay movie. I mean, Polanski's awfulness aside. Oh, is Polanski, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's rough. It's, it's, I think, I think, I think. enjoyed it because, I don't know, something about, when I, when I see a movie like set in France

about creepy French people, I somehow feel like I'm learning something. Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't unwatchable. I just, like, what it brought to horror, I guess, and intention has been done better by those that came before after it, you know? And usually I will give props to those that came before, but in this case, it's kind of okay, just whatever. You don't got to hand it to Roman Polansky under any circumstances. Maybe for Rosemary's baby, but they don't really get into that.

That's Silent Hill 3. And even then. True. But Tenet was just perfectly cromulent, which is a made-up Simpsons word that I've been using a lot when I watch and read things. I'm like, I don't care. It's perfectly fine. My favorite thing on this list is something that I feel like not a lot of people super know about. I mean, there's a lot of like street names in Silent Hill are named after a lot of these guys on this list.

You have Bachman Road is Stephen King's pen name that he did for Running Man, I think. Yeah, that's relevant in the news. Lynn Street is one of them. Lynn Street, Adrian Lynn Jacobs Ladder, but there's also Coons Street. And I didn't know until like a couple of years ago because I hadn't watched it. But the movie Phantoms, which like came out while Sound Hill One was in production. I think in 1998. Ben Affleck, Rose McGowan.

It is uncannily like Silent Hill One. There's like a lot of beats that are like, you're watching this. It's just like, which one came out first? Hang on a second. Like they're inside a building and like this scary terra-dactyl-ass monster comes in and they have to like shoot it. It's like that's from Silent Hill. What? That's crazy.

And it's like the town is all foggy and there's monsters everywhere and they have to figure it out. And it goes in a totally different direction than Silent Hill. It's really interesting. I do recommend it. It's a fun time. There's a weird dog in it. Yeah, I saw that one in the theaters and probably just put it out of my mind. I watched it. I watched it. I was like, oh, that was the movie I watched in the theaters and just didn't think about it until you put it on here. It was like, well, I haven't seen phantoms a long time. Let me rewatch that. And it was kind of like it was both dumber and more fun than I remember being. And I think a big part of it's the fact that, well, there is some late-nottoms. dodgy, CGI, stuff, there's also a lot of really good, like,

puppets and tentacles and, like, a exploding head at some point. So I kind of got into it in that regard. And also I looked it up. What else do you want in a movie? Right.

I also looked it up, and there's a great interview from, like, a few years back of Ben Affleck talking about how, you know, he said, like, it's a terrible movie. He describes it as a sewer monster movie. But he's like,

but he's like, yeah, well, at least, you know, I get to hang out with Peter Thule and we got high, you know, and it was great. It was like, yeah. Like that would have been worth it. Absolutely. All that matters to him.

Well, Dean Coots is a prolific writer, too. So I guess it was based off a book he did. Yeah, the book, the book fandoms is much, much older. But yeah, the movie was very close. I think the movie's 98 and first game is 99. I see. I got to read this book. So, like, aesthetically, they're very similar as well as like plot beats and stuff like that.

I recommend it. I just remembered Jay shouting, you were the bomb in phantoms, yo. Yeah, that was a running gag for a while. Whatever Captain Smith movie that was. So a couple of things that jumped up to me that I didn't put the connections to. Exorcist 3. Exorcist 3 is one of those movies that, you know, obviously it's a sequel to a very popular movie, so it has some cachet, but also it has nowhere near the level of, like, the first movie.

Like, Exorcist is one of those really strange series. And like, the first movie everyone knows and cares about. The second movie, no one loves or even thinks of it anymore. And the third one is like the people who are like, hey, that's like the really good one. Like that's the one they help each other. Yeah. Is that that that's the one where the original guy who played the priest got replaced with, oh, what's that character actor's name? He's in everything.

Brad Durif? Yes, Brad Dorif. Is that the one with Brad Dorif in it? Brad Dorff is a, yeah, mental patient, yeah. He, and he does a great performance. He's awesome in it. Honestly, the movie's not good, but, like, he acted the hell out of it, and he was going for it. And he got cast because, like, the other actor was, like, he had such bad, like, boo's brain.

Like, he couldn't remember any lines. So they were just like, we have to replace him, kind of. So when he's possessed, he's Brad Doriff, I guess. That kind of worked because you're at first you're like, that's not the same. Wait a minute. And then Brad goes into his whole monologue, which is like, oh. It's awesome. But yeah, if you watch that movie, you'll notice that the nurse, the nurse outfit is exactly what Lisa is wearing in Silent Hill 1.

And, like, it's just one to one. Like, you cannot, you cannot unsee that once you see it. Monster Hiroito cited an Apex twin music video called Come to Daddy, which is 1997, which I guess I missed the first time around. It's got, you know, evil kids and a lot of trash flying around, some jump cuts, a freaky Monster Man comes out of a television. I guess Ito was watching that one a lot at the time. There was another music video that was super... Oh, it inspired Silent Hill 3.

It's a Madonna music video. And I don't remember the name off the top of my head, though. But watch that and be like, oh, that's where Silent Hill's look came from. Is this Madonna music video? I definitely see it and come to Daddy with just like all the menacing kids and even the screaming creature. I think I saw that once and was like, like, I'm good. I saw Robert Johnny once, and I was just like, I don't need to see anything else by this guy.

Fine. Also, I had to watch it this week because I'd heard a lot of people talk about this one. I watched a French film called Betty Blue. That's the English title. I forget the French title. It's from 86, directed by Jean-Jacques Bény. It's a lot of vowels in there. And it's not a horror movie at all.

It's actually kind of a sexy French drama about two young people who were just trying to trying to get by. And for like a good chunk of it, it's almost comic, but it gets grim later in the film. One of the top letterbox reviews is like, real sexy until it isn't. And I have a quote here from Hirouki Oaku in the Silent Hill 3 perfect guide, which mentions a lot of inspirations for Silent Hill, including, by the way, Jess, there's a complete map of Silent Hill, and it lists all the streets and, like, identifies who they're named after. Yeah. That guy, it's in Japanese, but if you look it up online, you'll find translations of like just how well they documented all the things that they were working on or thinking about. But O'Aku said that Silent Hill 2 was inspired in no small way by the final scene in Betty Blue.

And I don't want to say what that is to ruin either one. But like, if you know one and you see the movie, you're like, okay. Yeah, yeah. I'm intrigued. I haven't heard of this one, actually. Don't watch it with any kids in the room. I would say, like, just to set the- No problem.

Just set the stage. It's like a very lovely opening credit sequence and then hard-cut to coitus. Like, boom. French. Ooh-l-la, as they say. Yeah. Extremely French. Oh, yeah.

But it's equal opportunity. It's full frontal male and female. You'll love it. Also, I am not a very good film person, I guess, because I have, I've not seen any Alejandro Hodorowski movies until recently, but that's another name that comes up a lot in the Silent Health Three Perfect Guide. At this point, I've only seen El Topo, which other people have told me to watch because it's apparently a big favorite of Suda 51, and people said that informs a lot of Suda 51's work. And it's certainly in El Topo, it's like this, it's like this sort of

real Western, and at one point this gunman is told, hey, you got to go in the desert and take out these other gunmen. They're like the good gunman, and you've got to kill them, and then you'll be the best gunman, which I can see is that informing no more heroes. But in the second half of the movie,

which is very different than the first half, he like, shaves his head and, like, becomes like a monk or something, and then he's hanging out in this town, and the town is, like, full of creepy cult stuff. Like, okay, that kind of Silent Hill. Huh. Interesting. I've only seen bits and pieces of Holy Mountain.

Yeah, his later films, I think, are more Silent Hill-esque, I've been told, but I haven't seen them yet. I'm sorry, I will. If you look at my letterbox, and you should, you'll see a lot of movies that we discussed on this list because I've been rewatching a lot of them. But I haven't gotten that far into the Hodorowski Uvra. But I'm intrigued. I thought El Tupu was good, you know, one kind of superfluous rape scene aside, but Yeah. I've been told I would love Holy Mountain by many a friend, but I've actually never seen any Hodorowski.

Movie night? I need to fix that. I need to watch Topo, Holy Mountain. Is Holy Mountain too weird for a movie night with people? I think it might be. I get, I don't know. I haven't seen it. Oh, so last one I'll just shout at here because I just didn't expect it even though I totally understand.

Yamaoka, Akira Amoko was cited as saying Susperia, the Argento film from 77. He said it was his favorite movie, and he had a quote that said, Goblin went into film and forced their music to expand as rock musicians, which I think is just kind of sweet, the sweet thing to say. And I do love Susperia, so like, okay, sure, I get it. I don't think that's, you know, as Silent Hill influences go, I don't really see a lot of Gialo in Silent Hill, but that movie rules. So, yeah, by all means.

I could see Silent Hill being more. Giala though if they wanted to. Oh, absolutely. Lighting wise. That'd be an interesting turn for them. Yeah, aesthetically, think about it. Developers, consider it. I know you're listening.

You're not listening. Is there even like a horror game that could be called the Gialo horror, the type of game, like out there? Like, Resident Evil doesn't really get into that. There's like a couple of like indie horror games that, like, I've seen trailers for that I don't know if they ever came out or anything, you know? Anything by the puppet combo. folks, probably. I don't know them, do I? That's possible.

They go for the low poly aesthetic and they have a lot of weird weirdness to the... I mean, certainly, if we're talking about horror games, I would mention that Phenomena, another digital movie, phenomena is very closely translated into Clock Tower.

Like, there's a lot of one-to-one stuff in that, in that connection. But then Clock Tower goes off and becomes its own weird thing too. So it's, you know, the history of Japanese games, I think, is like, we saw a movie once and tried to make it to a game, but we changed too much, and now it's our own thing. Don't copy it.

They're very good at jumping off points, you know. We had to get them into some Gialo, just send them a bunch of Argento stuff. I think that's enough background work. Let's talk about how Silent Hill Games became Silent Hill movie. And to start with that, we've got to talk about a little boy, born in France. And... A petit home. I don't know.

Is Zach Ritch to call him Christoph Gans? Or is it Christoph Gans? I'm actually not sure how to pronounce. I believe it is Gons. Okay. I'll do my best. I studied French a long time ago, folks. But Christoph Gans is a filmmaker.

By the way, Casey, Jess, have you seen Brotherhood of the Wolf? No. Not yet. Brotherhood of the Wolf was definitely his breakout hit, 2001. it's a wild picture, I would argue it is too long, but it's like you've got like French history and it's a monster movie and there's like a lot of martial arts. Mark DeCoskos is there like kicking people. So it's a real fun watch even though I think it drags a little bit.

But still, definitely one to a while. I can see how that would make a splash. You come out with that. But at some point during the making of that movie, Christoph Gans puts a PlayStation in his trailer or whatever, and he plays Silent Hill 1, and he loves it. He loves Silent Hill. And he immediately starts, I guess, it's 1999, 2000, so what? Maybe you're sending emails to someone? He's like, he's trying to reach to Konami. It's like, I want to make your video game into a movie. Please let me make a movie. And, you know, Konami's, Konami's like, they don't answer for a long time.

Yeah. Shortly after Brotherhood of the Wolf comes out, 2001, Silent Hill 2 comes out. Gans puts that in his PlayStation 2. and he loves that even more. Drossof Gons is our record saying that is his favorite game of all time. I don't know why. I saw an interview with him recently because I'm doing my own research for a video

about Return to Silent Hill and it was interviewing him for Return to Silent Hill and they asked him what your favorite game is and he said Biosec. So I don't know if he's changed his opinion on the greatest game of all time. He's flip-flop. Fake-ass gamer.

He loves biosec. He would. Right, though? So post Silent Hill 2, I have a quote from Gons. He says, We were chasing the rights since the beginning, and we had no answer. We were sending tons of messages, emails, and letters, and no answer. And then the second game came, and I played it, and I was blown away.

And again, I asked for the rights. And no answer. Left him on red. Rouge, rouge, please. So at some point, Gons works with some folks, I guess a translator as well. He records a 37-minute pitch video, has a subtitle in Japanese, and he sends the video to Tokyo. And then according to Gons, he says two months later, he got the rights.

So whatever he was doing before video, the video worked. And suddenly... What I wouldn't give to see whatever the hell that is. I wish. I wish. Is that the bonus feature somewhere? You know, it's hard. It's hard to research the making of these movies, because when you're not...

you go online, a lot of the sources are either in like in French, but like in an HTML fashion that I can't translate in my browser, or it's like bootleg Russian sites and they're all dubbed into Russian. I don't know. This movie must have done gangbusters in Russian because they, uh, they archived everything. Weird. But because Gons loved Silent Hill too so much, he's like, okay, I want to make a movie. Let's just make a movie for Silent Hill 2.

This is the best one. And that's his original idea. But as he starts to develop it, he's like. He's like, this won't work. And according to him, he says, it was impossible to talk about Silent Hill and not talk about why this town is like that. Wrong. So we realized we had to adapt the first one. That was his thing.

I'm grimacing. I'm shaking my head. I'm like, no, no, no, no. You're incorrect, sir. You're wrong. What's really crazy is that, like, when he does finally get to adapting Silent Hill, too, it's different. it's not a sequel. Like, why did you say that it's too hard to make a sequel?

It's not a sequel to begin with. And you didn't make it a sequel either. What? Gons. Christoph. Christoph. Christoff. Chris off.

I would, like, getting ahead of ourselves, I would still see a Silent Hill 4 of the room remake or movie out of him. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So two names we also need to mention at this point is. Samuel Hadida and Don Carmodi, who are the producers for the first two films. They both have credits on several Resident Evil films, which, again, just like Resident Evil the Game, inspired Silent Hill the game. We should point out in 2002, Resident Evil, the movie comes out and does very well, especially international markets. And I think they quickly rattle off sequels, which are of, you know, varying quality, I would say.

But within a couple of years, Resident Evil, the movie franchise, becomes very big business. So again, I'm sure the people of Konami are like, oh, don't we have a Resident Evil? What's this video tape in the mail? Let's put that in. And then, boom, all of a sudden, here we go. Here's a nice foreign man who wants to make our video game into a movie. Let's do it. We trust the French.

Maybe, maybe. Seems kind of business-oriented, this Konami. for a change. Unfortunately, Hidida passed away in 2018, so he did not get to work on the third movie. But don't worry, his brother,

Victor Hidda, is still in the ecosphere there. And honestly, if you look up Hidda, there's so many people named Hidita with so many credits on IMDB. I do not know if they're all, like,

children or brothers or uncles. I don't know. I don't know how, this man definitely had his whole family in the business. So, like the Copolas. Although it's interesting, the Resident Evil movies, which I do like in their own way because they develop their own flavor and they just go off in a weird direction and just take off.

It's funny how the Silent Hill movies in general, we'll talk about what happens, but in general, the Silent Hill films are all much closer to the source material than the Resident Evil movies. It's like, Resident Evil, the first movie, kind of borrows bits from one and two, and then the second movie has a nemesis in it. And then the third movie's like, we're doing Met Max now. Fuck you. It's just, and it just goes off. I'm out of my depth with Resident Evil movies. I realize I don't think I've seen a single one. Well, that'll be another podcast.

There's like a jillion of them. There's too many of them, and I'm personally, I'm sick of them all. So get someone else to do that podcast. I put all of my time, I statted into watching all the Saw movies instead of all the Resident Evil movies. I didn't have time for both. Again, I'm pushing 40 suits. I can't do all this. But in contrast to that, the Silent Hill movies, like, as we'll break down, like the first Silent Hill movie borrows a lot from Silent Hill 1.

And the second Silent Hill movie borrows a lot from Silent Hill 3. And the third Silent Hill movie ostensibly is an adaptation of Silent Hill 2. Allegedly. Allegedly. So it's funny to me how closely they hue to the source material compared to its contemporary, which obviously inspired it a lot. Like at no point does Gons or whoever say, hey, we need to develop our own. We need to create our new character.

And this is going to be the new star of the character. And it's also my wife. Like that doesn't happen here. Seriously, though, can I just say a lot of people hate Paul Dobos Sennish? I appreciate Paul W. S. Anderson for making weird stuff and being totally all in like, hey, my wife is an action star. I'm going to, all my movies now star my wife. And like, he just goes for it. Monster Hunter starts my wife. Yes, it's fine. I do like Milojovich. I don't know why I haven't seen any of these movies. That's an honest man. I've already forgotten the name, to be honest. An honest wife guy. He recently made a movie and it stars Mia and Dave Batista and the entire movie, I swear to you, looks like a PS3 cutscene, but I mean that as a compliment. It is, it's an ugly movie, but it's also fascinating to look at and it's just wild. It has incredible energy to it. I think she's a witch. Yeah, I've already forgot the name. It came out like six months ago and bombed. It's already streaming here in Japan. I already forgot the name, but I loved watching it. It's my endorsement.

On the list. Putting it on the list. But speaking of the PlayStation 3 in 2006, Silent Hill, the movie. The movie. Directed by Christoph Gans. And written by, let's add a new name to this podcast,

written by Indy Big Shot, Roger Avery, Oscar winner for Pulp Fiction. Yeah. Avery writes a script. Avery writes a script. And I think we can safely blame, Roger Avery here. He's the one who makes a connection to Centralia, Pennsylvania. And Jess,

it's your turn. Tell the people about Centralia, Pennsylvania. So, Centralia, Pennsylvania is a real-life town that no Japanese person in 1999 would have ever heard about or make a video game off of. Because it was a town that had a big coal mine or something like that underneath of it, and it got set on fire somehow. The fires are still burning, and everyone had to move away. because all the fumes, that's bad. You don't want to live with that. People were getting sick, stuff like that. So everybody moved out and it became a ghost town.

Not that special, just kind of a weird thing to happen to a place, but it was a very niche, like, trivia item of some sort of for people that are into that sort of like ghost towns and stuff. I don't know where Roger Avery learned about it. But he's like, oh, I'm just going to make Silent Hill be based off of that town. And this has super confused everybody from here on out. Everyone thinks that Silent Hill, the games are based off of Centralia, Pennsylvania. God damn it ain't. Because in Silent Hill, the fog and stuff and the stuff falling for the sky is not ash or smoke. It is snow and fog.

And it is weird because it's like the wrong time of year for it to be snowing. But like people just go like, wow, that's weird. There's no explanation for it. There doesn't really have to be. Can things just be weird, guys? Yeah. No? So it was like Roger didn't play the game.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Allegedly he was playing the games on repeat while he was writing the screenplay, but I don't know what happened. Something disappeared between the screen and his brain there, but. I don't know what happened because they, like, made the heroin into a villain, so I don't know what the game he was playing during that. I do, by the way, I looked it up because, of course, you know, it's been 20 years. as of the most recent census, Centralia, Pennsylvania has a population of five.

Oh, it's gone up. Five people. All the remaining residents have gotten clearance. Like, you're allowed to live here as long as you keep doing the living thing. But once you die, we're going to just bulldoze this place. I thought there was only two people left. I don't know. Most of the town at this point has been, you know, eminent domain.

And, you know, like there's no post office. There's nothing there. I don't know. They must go shopping somewhere else. I don't understand. But there are people who still live there because that's their home. But yeah, there's not going to be any future. A day comes pretty soon where there is no one left in Central Pennsylvania.

No one's going to Centralia and gentrifying the place at this point. My Lord. Got to get all these monsters out of here and make some brunch places. So the movie. We've got our main character, Rose de Silva. played by Roda Mitchell, Rose De Silva, she goes to Silent Hill,

West Virginia, to look for her daughter, Sharon. And this is significant because obviously the first game stars a little boy named Harry Mason. And... A little 32-year-old boy. He's a full-fledged man

looking for his daughter. He's a full-fledged girl dad. When working on this script and developing the story, and all the quotes here come from Gons. I don't know if Roger Avery agree with him or what, but all the quotes I found have come from Gons directly. Gons looked at this.

He's like, hey, so we got this guy, Harry Mason, and he's looking for his daughter. And like, that's a woman thing. That's kind of gay, right? A little quote. I have a little quote, okay. We love to paraphrase in this podcast, but a literal quote here,

oneup.com, Christoph Gans, talking to Shane Bettenhausen. He says, Harry was actually motivated by feminine, almost maternal feelings. And it's like, what's the word? I know you're not native English speaker, Christoph, but what's the word when you're a dad and you have a kid? So it's the Paternal. Weird.

Just switch it. One letter, man. I've never heard of this before. It's not like there's an entire genre of action movies based off dad saving their daughters from stuff. I may be a non-binary person, but I'm a dad. I have a dad. I've got kids. They're my kids.

I'm not a woman. He could have been ahead of the game on the taken stuff. So, yeah, he changed the protagonist to a woman for sexist reasons somehow and not feminist reasons. It wasn't a girl boss reason. There are too many, like, fingerprints of Avery and Gons on this thing when it's like, it's a solid movie plot in of itself. don't need to fuck it up too much, guys. Yeah, you know, like, what's the problem? Why we got to change so much? I have another quote, and this is from Roger Avery talking about Christoph. And he was saying that Christoph wanted the movie to be estrogen-filled. And during this interview, he broke into an

impression of the Frenchman that was apparently pretty good. And he said, and this is him imitating guns. I like women. I like to fuck the American bimbo. I want to make a movie with no men and have sexy women throughout. Women everywhere. I don't want to have all these men to deal with or the attitudes of men. Awesome. He just dropped that in an interview. Like what? You're talking about like your coworker like that? Dude, I'm never going to work with him again. For many reasons. Yeah. We'll get to that in a sec. It's actually, it's, it's, Also, the timing of this is amazing. Just this week, brand new blog, video game blog, I think culture blog, Mothership had a post about the British Silent Hill movie where they tried to, yeah, Jess is covering her face.

They tried to put a spin on it by arguing the first movie is somehow feminist by making it, by centering it on a mother instead of a father. And I don't want to blow up the writer, whatever. They're free to make their argument if they want to make their argument. But the response I saw online was pretty quick. It's like, no, he changed it because he thought having being a dad was like gay. That's like such an uninformed opinion. I just like assume it was made for hate clicks. Like write something stupid that everyone can go, no, and get mad about and then tweet about it and post about it.

Oh, sure. Because that is like a bonkers stupid opinion. I'm sorry to the writer. Also related, because they decided to change the main character entirely, they also opted to change the name. So they didn't do like Rose Mason or whatever. Like, no, no, it's a new character, Rose de Silva. Okay, fine. We got a new Rose Silva and Sharon instead of Heather.

Cheryl. Cheryl, excuse me. Rose's husband, Chris, Chris de Silva, played by Sean Bean. He is in the movie to chase after his wife, and he can't catch up to her. whenever he goes somewhere, she's either not there anymore or she's like in another dimension so he can't see her. And really, there's just a huge chunk of this movie where he's like looking up stuff and chasing after people and talking to the cops. And it's like the whole movie is happening in another dimension and he's just here. And I really, I cannot find a clear answer on why this is.

He's for the information for the us, the audience about like what happened. He hardly finds things out. I know. It's stuff that could have easily been inserted into the main story. Yeah. I mean, he was only put in there because there was too many broads in the movie, some producer said. You got to put one guy in the movie. Get me Sean Bean.

Good God. Get me Kim Coats. They'll have their own adventures. There's an unsource quote that said the studio insisted there would be, there has to be a man in it, which is kind of wild after they changed the main character, whatever. I believe Avery said that also. But I guess, I mean, I guess if you want to put a man at it, you can put a man at, but like, there's, his scenes just don't do anything. He didn't really go anywhere. It's like, I don't think they don't go anywhere.

Even as information, it does that, even like, that could be easily sub, like, subsued by something else. I always liked the scene where he's at the school and so is Rose. And they sort of, in the other version, and they pass by each other. That helps explain kind of like the otherworldly kind of feeling of the whole thing. Levels. Different planes of reality. I always liked that. But if that's all he was there to do, I think that'd be enough.

Because everything else with him and like trying to figure out what happened to Silent Hill and like the cop and shit like that. That's stupid. Get rid of it. It's largely pointless to the point where two people in my Discord made their own version called Silent Hill no beans. And they took out Sean Bean and it is a tight movie. It is better and tighter without Sean Bean in it. And I love Sean Bean. Yeah, no, I mean, no disrespect to Sean Bean.

He's a class act all around. Love him. It is, I mean, look, let's be honest. Again, in the 2000s horror movie tradition, they have Europeans playing Americans. I think it is really weird. It's really weird to hear Sean Bean try to be American because I saw, I have a very clear image of what Sean Bean sounds like. in my head. You know, it's like hearing David Tennant play an American. Like, no, no, don't do it. No. He wouldn't lose anything by letting him have an accent in that movie. I know. Just let him be,

let him be himself. It's so funny hearing him and also later on in the second movie, John Snow, I'm blanking on his name right now, but I know it. Kid Harrington. Okay. Both of them are in these movies, and like both of them are trying to sound American. and sometimes it sounds like they phonetically memorize their lines. Like it's so awkward. Like they get the weirdest accent choices where certain words are super not American sounding. It's fun to see them struggle in this way. It adds an element to the movie I enjoy.

Roder Mitchell, I believe, is Australian. She's not American either. I think she's Australian based on the accent I heard in the behind the scenes work. And also Heather, later in the movie, also Australian. I don't know why they don't get a single American or Canadian in here. Cheaper. I don't want to jump ahead. I guess.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, I don't want to jump ahead, but she's literally named Adelaide. I know. It's like if I named my son Chicago. Like, what the... Get me Sidney Cambera to play this American girl.

Other actors, so we got Lori Holden playing Sybil. I like, I'm not the only person I think. I think she gives Sybil kind of a... A... a lesbian energy? I think she's got some some butch, some bitch power

that is not there in the game. You know, like the game 3D model is just like, we want pretty American cop, but she's got an edge to her and she's, she's very forceful.

I think a non-zero percentage of that is because the protagonist changed genders, though. Yeah, that's true. You know? Yeah, I can see that, yeah. But I also,

I credit Lori just for her performance. Like, she's very headstrong, and the hair, they gave her a haircut. I don't know. The haircut does some lifting there, I think. Forgive me. But let's also shout out Jodell Furland, the little girl who plays Sharon De Silva, and of course, Alyssa.

She was... Alessa. I'm sorry. She is like maybe 10 or 11 years old when she's doing this movie. I'm so jealous. She got to go on Conan to promote this movie. So there's a, just a lovely interview of Conan interviewing a child about the horror movie. And he's got the poster because she's on the poster without a mouth. And, you know, so they talk with that, which is kind of cute. That's kind of sweet. I didn't realize you went on Conan. And speaking of Bioshock, and a few years later, Jodell would voice the little sisters in Bioshock too. And at this point, at this point, she's all grown up. She's a full adult. And I think she's still working. So good for her.

I believe she's Canadian. Close. Close to America. Imagine a British kid having to like stand. down their British accent. That would be child abuse. Well, that's return to Silent Hill. So I don't want to break down the entire plot of this movie, but I feel like, what's, what's your take on the, on this, the general story? Like, they obviously borrowed a lot from one, but they go in weird directions. Casey, why don't you give me, give me some points? This is, this is the most watchable of the three, in my opinion. Yeah. And they do, even with the, the, the, the super.

official changes of its, you know, it's, it's Rose, the Silva and all that stuff. Uh, it, it takes pretty close to one with even like, like, you know, the, the camera stuff, you know, like they do that, that classic scene where, where she's going down the hallway and the first one and all that stuff. But it's just, it really becomes down to, like, the touches they felt, they being Christoph Gaines and Avery and whoever else needed to, uh, added to it, like, make it about a cult. And, and, or make it about, like, more about the cult. cult than it was anything else.

That they're all, you know, just witch murders, you know? Yeah, yeah. They're not summoning anything and only that shit. And that carries over, again, not to get too ahead. That carries over in each movie. Obviously, three needs it, but two. Mm. I had seen this in theaters and enjoyed myself, but watching the other two outside of

theaters, I was like, is the original, is this still good? I feel like it's like only good in comparison to the, the later ones, you know? Like, it resembles a movie more than the other ones. Oh, 100%. But it is, it's not bad. It's more, like I said, it's more watchable. It's, it's mid.

It's fine. But, like, as far as, like, faithfulness goes, they're just, like, the things that they did choose to change seem to me to be so pointless and only serves to make the plot more convoluted than it needs to be. Yeah. So the whole one is a perfectly cromulent plot. But, like, you know, one thing they did. that I really, that really didn't jive with me, is that Alessa's mom, Dahlia, in the game, she's just an evil old crazy lady who runs the cult.

She is super dupes fucking evil. And in the movie, they were like, well, we can't have Alessa's mom be bad. So what if we split her up into two different characters? One is called Dahlia, and she's like a crazy unhoused woman. That's all tattered and weird. These movies have like a thing against the homeless people. I don't know.

They keep showing up as jump scares. I'm like, do you have something to say about this? Like, what the hell's wrong with you people? French people. French, I don't know. Yikes, guys. Chill it with the homeless people jump scares. But you've got Dahlia is now like her mom but just got like tricked into like burning her child alive and in ritual.

What? And then you have Krista Bella who's functionally actually. with her things she does and, you know, the way she acts and all that stuff. And it's like, they, they were so, it went against their weird thesis they were doing with, like, a mother as God in the eyes of a child. And if we're doing that thesis, we can't have Alessa's mom be evil. Yeah. So it just, it just like all these, like, ripples of garbage came out from, like, changing different things. It's like, okay, now you have to, like, reconcile with all these other things because you change this other thing for no reason. It's just messy. But it's functional as a movie. Yeah, it's very messy. Like, when they try to explain the cult or, like, do, like, the passage of time of, like, who remained in Silent Hill compared to, like, who's not in Silent Hill, who was able to leave, like, the cop who was there when they burned Alessa, but is also outside of Silent Hill to tell Sean Bean to quit looking into the cult. Was she there? I don't even remember anymore.

It was the same. It wasn't Sybil. It was, like, the weird, the detective guy. Officer Gucci. Kim Coe. Officer Gucci. Okay. What's with all the Italians in this movie? Okay. I'm Italian. I got to say, what's with all these Italians? De Silva, Gucci? What's going on here? West Virginia is really Italian. When it really gets into that, that, that's where it starts to falter. And I'm like, I can't follow any of this bullshit anymore. But then it like gets into like the pieces, like the fun pieces like the final, not boss battle, but like,

Here comes Alyssa to kill you all. It's like, oh, good. I'm happy if that's happened. Sort of. But like, you know, in the game, like, she's not doing this for vengeance. They really changed her or misunderstood, perhaps, her character. Because, like, in the game, she is, it certainly looks like vengeance because it looks like she's making hell happen.

But it's, you know, she's trying to stop the ritual by consuming Silent Hill the town so you can't summon God if you don't have a place. to summon it, basically. So she's doing heroic stuff, but it looks evil because Dahlia, the bad guy, told you, whoa, that girl's evil. Evil ghost girl, ah. And people played that game and then went, oh, evil ghost girl. Ah, I heard that part.

Let's make that a script. Well, speaking of messy, Pyramid is here. Pyramid Head does not appear in the first game, but by this point, Pyramid Head is too famous not to be in Silent Hill. So Pyramid Head will, in fact, be appearing in every Silent Hill movie. he is played by Roberto Campanella in these first two films and there is definitely like early internet days like instant, very famous gift made of this.

Pyramidhead shows up at one point, pulls off a woman's clothes and then pulls off a woman's skin and then throws the skin at Rose or simple, I forget which. That's really feminist when you think about it. All the skin getting thrown at a church and all the people, you know. I said, it's all superficial. You know, my epidermis. This is, you know, powerful girl power stuff to be flayed alive.

And also the final, the final boss has like a barbed wire rape scene. What? Yeah, they go nuts with that barbed wire at the end. Chill it. Cool it, Gons. Not necessary. Well, personally, I find the first movie pretty watchable overall. all. And I kind of, again, I've watched more than once in recent years, and I've, I've grown, it's grown on me a little bit. I think there's definitely, the bean scenes drag, in my opinion. But I like, I like the work they put in to make, make Silent Hill look weird. And like, I think the sort of uncanny CG of the era only helps it sort of build atmosphere.

I think it looks better than the other two's CG, to be quite honest. Like something about it. They hide it a little more. Lauren shadows. I mean, we'll get into a revelation, but, ugh. But, like, they really do play the hits. Like, you know, she goes to the school. She goes to the bathroom. There's horrible things in there. She finds keys. She reads notes on the wall. Like, they, you know, they did do their homework. They just got a strange, they had some strange ideas in putting on the paper. The thing with me is that, like, I consider, like, the word faithful, what does it really mean when you're adapting something? And I feel like the aesthetic goes a long way into like, I don't want to say tricking people into thinking it's faithful or authentic. But it goes a long way to have that authentic feeling to it.

But like to me being faithful is being faithful to the characters and the story. And like how Silent Hill looks is kind of like secondary to that stuff. And it just kind of feels like over and over again that Gons and crew at all respect the vibes and the aesthetic more than the story. and the characters and the emotional cores of these stories, basically is what I'm going for. Yeah, I could see that. So you're a lot to like it.

You're lots to like it. Yeah, I can see him easily playing this game and like not getting every little thing story-wise, but being like, what the fascinating game? This is my French accent. You know? It's, uh, he seems like, only seeing his two Silent Hill movies and not Brotherhood of the Wolf,

he seems like he has a superficial, enjoyment of Silent Hill that worked once. Well, speaking of vibes, Akira Yomuka, his music is featured throughout the movie. He's not the credited composer. They credit someone else as the composer, but if you watch this film, you will hear so many tunes. Straight from the games, straight from Yomoka. I don't even think they're remixed. I think it's just straight up.

Here's the tunes. I think they are actually from the game, like direct the OST. Nothing wrong with that. He didn't re-orchestrate any of it. That works great. For the recent one, he did re-archistrate, though. Even like you said the, the song from the third game is in like the closing credit song for one, the first movie, right? I think so.

That's just a solid song. Yeah, they'll close with some of the best, like, vocal tracks that he's made for the series, honestly. So Silent Hill, the movie opens. Critics don't really like it. Audiences seem to show up, though. It makes a decent amount of money. So obviously, it's time to talk sequel. But what happens?

What happened? Well, number one, Christopher Gans is not available. Best that I could understand, Christoph Gans was very eager to make an Oni-Musha adaptation, which as of 2026 has not happened. That is wild. What the hell does that mean and look like? I think I've ever played Oni-Musha.

I can only assume he played the one with Jean-R-R-No. It's like, oh, I got to make this a movie. I didn't know he was involved The Frenchman's promise I don't know what happened to that Roger Avery was unavailable because he was in jail In jail Yeah, jail for

vehicular manslaughter So he killed the human being But I guess didn't mean to Was it a DUI or just a driving thing? I don't think it I don't remember actually But I know that like his passenger It was a friend of his that he was like having over at his house or something like that.

He was driving this guy and his wife back home or somewhere. And his wife was at the backseat. Wife was fine. Husband died. Avery was, you know, fine. Probably banged up. But I don't know. But yeah, went to jail.

It was under suspicion of manslaughter and DUI. I wanted to double check on that without saying like, yeah, this guy was drunk and killed a bunch of people. Just one. I guess if it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So they hand the reins to relative newcomer M.J. Bassett. I'm using initials purposely because that's how they're credited these days. They have actually transitioned. So if you watch the film, it won't say MJ, it won't say NJ Bassett credits,

but they are now M.J. Bassett, so good for them. Dope. However, there's also a curious bit in the credits where even though they say, it says written and directed by M.J. Bassett, there's also in the script. rolling credits bit, there's a little line that says adapted by Laurent Hedita, who is son of Samuel Hedita. So,

I'm not sure who did the writing there if someone has a separate adaptation credit. I don't know what the Writers Guild. I don't know what that means, but the producer's son apparently gave a draft, I guess. Bit of nepotism going on in these movies, guys. What I know doing a little bit of work and trying to like sell stuff to Hollywood, whoever gets the writing.

Crit is the one who actually did like the actual typing of the whole thing. Anyone can join in and write, like in a, you know, group setting or whatnot. But that's neither here nor there. So following the act of the first film, which was close to one, they do a sort of direct sequel thing. And they think, okay, well, let's just make a movie based on Sound Hill 3 because Silent Hill 3 has so many ties to Silent Hill 1. So now we have a movie starring Heather, played by Adelaide Clemens, Australian. Good eye. That's very Australian.

Yeah. She's a now 18-year-old Sharon. She says Sharon anymore, of course, she's Heather. Obviously, when the time comes for it, she plays grown-up Blesa, although, I mean, look, I'm sure there's something for everyone in this in this wide world, but to me, her gauph look like almost like it has like a panda style to it. It looks like a panda. Yeah. I don't know why they gave her black lipstick and put a little like black soot on her bottom of her nose. looks adorable.

Sean Bean returns. Sean Bean returns as dad. Although fun fake out, you know, for a man who has, his entire career has very famously died on screen like dozens and dozens of times. And he's playing a character who absolutely dies in that video game. Yes, and he does it in this one. He makes it. They fake you out.

You think he's dead. He gets jumped off screen. You think he's dead. He survives. Makes it. He played a non-character in Silent Hill One. somehow didn't die. And then he plays a guy who does die in the sequel, does not die. What's going on? This is insane. Incredible power for Sean Bean. He's out of his wheelhouse surviving like this.

Well, let's put his ass in the room and make him do that whole thing. He gives me Henry in the room. Yeah. He's all, he's done. He's like, on Heather somewhere, I'll just hang out in the room. He's playing against type. Anyway, Heather and I guess, I guess he called him Harry at this point, because they've all changed their names many times. They are living on the run. They're moving around. They don't want to get tied down to anyone place. There's a whole opening scene where Heather, like, goes to her high school and is greeted by other 20-somethings, and they're all, they're all snodied to her.

Like, do you do all your shopping at the Goodwill? And she gives the whole speech. She gives a little speech, like, I'm not your friend. I'll be gone soon. Fuck all, y'all. Don't get to know me. I don't do Facebook. Kid Harrington over there.

Oh, I kind of want to know her. I'll give her, I'll give them credit. This is, this movie came out in 2012, and Heather said fuck Facebook, and she was right. Yeah, prophetic. Nice. That was the only fuck they got in this movie. Or was it rated R? This, this got to be rated R.

R. It's got to be. It's too much. There's too many, too many fingers flying at the screen to be rated PG-13. I don't know. This is 2012, the same year's social network. I wonder which one came out first. I don't know.

I didn't look that up. I'll look it up. Anyway, other people are here. We got Douglas played by a reliable character actor Martin Donovan, who doesn't really look the part, but he's here to be gruff and get killed and lose his fingers. Immediately. Yeah. That's a character that lasts the whole damn game. And he gets killed, like minute four that you've seen him.

It's nuts. What a weird, like, reorganizing of all this stuff, especially what Vincent's character becomes. Oh, boy. Here we go. Also, a social network came out first. Okay. Two years earlier. Oh.

What's what twist? 2010. Geez. Oh, 2010. All right. Fincher. You got me. Claudia is here, played by Carrienne Moss.

I hope she got a ton of money for this. She barely does anything in the movie. She clearly didn't get enough because she refused to shave her eyebrows, and you can tell. Really bad makeup on those. The esteemed Malcolm McDowell plays Leonard in only one scene. I guess they had him for one day, but God damn it, he ate for that one day. Yeah, man, he went for it. Very weird to see him in this.

I didn't even recognize it was Carrie Ann Moss, to be honest. Yeah, she's got a lot of makeup on, which, as Justin indicates, not great. And somehow, in this version of the story, Vincent is the son of Claudia and the grandson of Leonard, and he's just in the high school with Heather, and they're just hanging out, and they're having a meet cute, and they're trying to be friendly, and he's just here to help. He's actually like a good kid? He doesn't want to be here? Or is he? No, he is.

Well, he was raised in the cult, though. So he was originally sent to like bamboozle her and bring her to Silent Hill. Yeah. But he's like, he does a bad job, though. He likes her too much. I admit, I don't remember a lot of Silent Hill 3, but I don't think Vincent and Silent Hill 3 was ever like, likeable. And this way, he was, he was coy.

He was like a Bugs Bunny being like, or am I? He was a little shit. And he is like an older guy who looks ugly and does not brush his teeth. And it's supposed to be kind of like, don't trust this weird guy. And he's definitely not a romance option. Yeah, he's throwing a wrench in what Heather thinks is real and all that shit. Whereas this is he's a heartthrob. He's a nice boy.

Kit Harrington. Hello. A kiddie. I'm in the increasingly small demographic of never watched Game of Thrones. So whenever I watch movies from this era, I always have to find out, oh, that Britsman's of Thrones, like, oh, okay. I'm with you. I didn't know that.

Not only that, but Kit Harrington, Vincent played the son of Sean Bean in Game of Thrones. So they are reunited on the set of Silent Hill Revelations 3D. Small world. Have we brought up the fact that this is all in 3D also? I don't know if we have. It's a 3D movie, folks. Yeah. They'd be flying at you.

I mean, watching it. watching a webcam of it back in the day in the in the in the blurry 3d just to be like to say i watched it is one thing but to watch it now in hd not in 3d but still has those stupid camera effects oh boy it's desperate i watched it with a friend with a couple of friends because we were talking about silent hill and then we were like oh i never seen the sequel and then we did one of my friends fell asleep like she was dealing with some other shit but the fact that she fell asleep made me kind of tired a little too.

Ended up in a silent hill cuddle puddle on the couch. Not particularly. One of us was still awake, but man, oh man. What a boring movie overall, even for being like a weird 3D. Despite all the jump scares, it's still somehow sleep inducing.

Yeah. At some point, it's like nonstop jump scares. It's really, really weird jump scares. You piloted in a Pop-Tart. Yeah. Pop-Tart jump scare was the scariest part of the movie. That's right. 100%.

Fingers coming out at you. I forgot all about that. Just to kill Douglas, so stupid. Yeah, like they're killing this whole neat character that lasts the whole game for basically in order to have a 3D gimmick where his fingers fall off at the screen. Yeah, these shuffling around of plot points in all of these movies is like the most frustrating thing, to be honest. Because they don't need to be shuffled.

Especially in return to Silent Hill. when we get there. Yeah. But in this one, Silent Hill 3 deserves so much better than this movie. Yeah. Dude, like Claudia turns into like a cenobite, sexy cenobite lady? That's right. What the hell is that?

So Pyramidhead can fight her. Yeah. In a big phosphite at the end. He's hanging out. He's just, he's piloting the, the black ferry, Ferris wheel or whatever. No, he's at the carousel. And he's got, his nipples are hooked through as he's doing his carny stuff on the, on the carousel. It's nuts.

Like, what does he represent in this whole thing? I mean, here's the thing. Like, they've recontextualized pyramid head in both of these movies to be a protector of Alessa, which is bonkers. And it kind of replaces another character in Silent Hill 3, Valtiel, who is a protector of Alessa and the God, rather. Yeah. But they kind of dropped almost the entire summoning God subplot, like, physically, I mean, body horror-wise, because in the game, Heather is pregnant with a, like, a fucked up little guy, a god of some sort that's going to bring the end of the world. And she doesn't know, like, until a little bit later.

But she, like, has a really cool moment where she takes basically a magical abortifacant. And it's real gross what happens. Play the game. It's gross. But it's nuts. It's insane. And in the movie, like, you get to the end of it and the cult people are just explaining to her, like, oh, we're going to do that to you. It's not happening yet.

but we intend to. Thanks for coming to Silent Hill. Yeah. We're going to do that now. Thanks. Thanks for coming. Thanks. We need you to do it. Yeah. There's a ton of exposition. It's spent, like, Heather and Vincent have a lot of conversations about what the cult wants and who they are and where they came from. News. And Claudia gives a speech about what she wants to do. Yeah, you're, you're going to give birth to this God. Yeah, Dahlia comes back. And she, like, and she, like, explains stuff. And, like, she explains, like, that the, you're the good part of

She's pure evil. Pure evil. You're the good part. Like, okay. Ah, my brain. We get the... Why's Roseness for a half second? God damn. German head. It's boring to. Face turn. Boss fight. Lots of things, yeah. Lots of things getting chopped off and flying the screen. Swords pointing. It's like, this is 2012. So it's like, Avatar made a ton of money. So it's the 3D silver age, I guess. Like, it's not, you know, like, everyone has a 3D movie. And they have to be like visibly 3D to be the obnoxious point.

It's just, okay, fine. Yeah. When you can't have any, like, it's so, it's so cheap. Like, I liken it to Friday the 13th part three, which was in 3D. Yeah, or Jaws. Not in 3D. And there's like a part in the beginning of Friday the 13th where a man is like accidentally pointing a stick at the screen going like, what'd you say? And it's supposed to be like, whoa.

It's coming at me. But it is otherwise a boring part of a movie. I feel like the only movie I've seen that was made better by being in 3D was Saw 3D, which came out in 2010, because those movies are stupid. And you know what's even better? A 3D gimmick on something already stupid. It was great. That's what I did with all the Marvel movies of this time. Go watch them in 3D, take an edible.

Barf. I would say the critics and audiences this time around were less receptive. to Silent Hill Revelation. Crazy, I know. It did not make much money. It did not make much sense. And similarly, that was that. You know, I think M.J. Barrett is still working on other projects.

Oh, sorry, MJ Bassett. Pardon me. I think they're still working other projects. But as far as I can tell, Silent Hill was kind of like, okay, well, that was that. And let's be honest, it's 2012. So Silent Hill in general kind of entered its dormancy, you know? Like, oh, well. Big flop era.

Yeah. I think that was when, like, a whole bunch of, like, the crummy ones came out, right? There was, like, a month where, like, three Silent Hill games came out that nobody wanted. It was, like, Book of Memories, Downpour, I think. Downpour, yeah. And there was, like, a third thing. Maybe it was the movie came out the same month or something like that. Was Homecoming around this time?

No, Homecoming was before Downpour. I think that was, like, 2008 or something. But, yeah, they're, like, a pretty big, you know, dry spell for Silent Hill. and then all of a sudden get three things in one month. They're insane over at Konami. Why are you doing that, guys? Oh, I forgot about Travis Grady. I forgot.

Like, Travis Grady shows up and literally says, hello, my name is Travis Grady. I'm here to drive a truck. From Silent Hill Origins, the prequel game. Yeah. They sequel bait three different Silent Hill games. Three sequel baits. Origins and Downpour with the prison bus.

You're like, you don't even see who's in the prison bus. You just see a prison bus go by. Into Silent Hill. It's very like, like make up your mind before the movie ends. Like, what is a film anymore? Is it just like stuff that happens at us that reminds you of other things? They were ahead of the game. I guess so.

So then nothing happens for a long time. And suddenly, something happens. I don't know. I've very unclear as to how this owl came together. But I guess Christoph Gans never gave up hope. He's like, no, I must. I must make stuff. Silent Hill 2 into a feature film.

Maybe the pandemic. Maybe the pandemic happened. And he's like, oh, now's my chance to strike. So this year, the year we're talking right now, 2026, we have return to Silent Hill and return of Christoph Gans. He's the director again. And even more than the first two films, this one is promised to be a literal adaptation of the second game. A faithful adaptation of Silent Hill, too.

And it's... Because as we all know, the story of Silent Hill, too, is a guy walks through a forest, that he goes to a tunnel, that he goes to an apartment building, then he goes to a park, then he goes to a hospital, then he goes to a hotel. That's what happens. He just going places. Faithful. Faithful. He goes to those places. What else do you want? He went to those places in the order he went to them in. It's just, it's so bizarre. And again, I read someone's, someone's quote this week saying how it was, it was somehow

brave for Return to Silent Hill to not treat the source material as like, irreconable, like, oh, no, it's okay to change things and sort of material. It's like, of course you're allowed to change things with source material. That's what adaptation means. But it's like, it's one thing to change things. It's another thing to like rewrite entire sequences and make them worse. That's, that bugs me. That bugs me as a human being.

What, like, bugs a hell out of me. absolutely fascinates me and I to be a fly on the wall during the production of this but you know wigs me out is that it feels like wig oh yeah that too really bad wigs in this movie goddam Party City

caliber we got Timu ass beards oh it's amazing oh yeah it's awful beard I forgot the world's worst Jacob Geller cosplay in this really crappy beard but

Jacob Geller Oh my God, what the fuck was I saying? I'm sorry. Oh, man, I got derailed by wigs. Forgive me. So the thing that wigs me out is that the way this film functions, it kind of implies a knowledge of Silent Hill, too. And it implies that they played this game and saw all these things and went, let's take this thing and change it. Let's take this thing and change it.

Let's take this thing and change it. Like, it feels on purpose. Like, every single iconic part of this game was mucked with for no reason. That makes me appreciate the game all the better watching this jumbled up mess to be like, you could have done like the least amount of work and like let Silent Hill 2 be Silent Hill 2 and would have had a great movie because it's a solid fucking story to begin with. Yeah, it's a standalone. To change all this shit is like, who do you think you are? Yeah. How fucking dare you, Monsieur.

All you've done between this is some beauty and the beast adaptation. Not even the Disney one, just some other bullshit. Like, I was telling a friend about this and had to be like, don't watch this movie. Don't even play the remake, which is fine. Play the original PS2 game because that's a solid fucking game. It really made me appreciate that whole thing watching this. You know what reminds me? So, Jess, you and I and your husband talked about Silent Hill 2 remake a few years ago when that was new, and we all really enjoyed it.

But I remember that Josh, particular highlight of the point that when you see Silent Hill 2 on the PlayStation 2, when you see Pyramid Head for the first time in the original game, he's kind of in the background behind those bars. And it's like, you kind of see him, but you kind of don't. And it's creepy. He just stands there. Menacingly. And as Josh pointed out, in the remake, that happens again, and it's mostly faithful, but lighting-wise, he's a lot clearer. And it's easier to see him. And in Josh's opinion, it's a lot less scary because you get a better look at him.

Yeah. The movie. There in the hallway. You have the bars. And Pyramid Head comes charging forward and busts open the bars and, like, growls or screams or something. He's roaring and he's head budding and wedging his pyramid through the bars. Like, I just want to ask, where did Pyramid Head's dignity go? Because he used to have a scary dignity to him.

And that was what made him scary. It's like he didn't need to debase himself and become a boogity, boogity monster to scare the fuck out of you. Maybe when he became such a funny Konami mascot to put in, like, that track and field. Yeah, that track and field DS game. Uh-huh. Or make him like a bomber man helmet. Like, they just keep doing pyramid head dirty. And I'm just like, why?

Leave him alone. This is the one he's supposed to be in. And you fuck this up? Yeah. Why? Did you fuck this up? This is the one he's in. Christoph just wanted his little fingers all over this thing.

Mom do, Christoph. I think twice. I think twice they do this, they zoom into the helmet and show what looks like James's own eye. Yeah. Later on, in his angry loft, because now James is a cool painter who smokes weed, James has a self-portrait, and he gets drunk or angry, and he starts painting a pyramid head over his own head, and it's like, are you listening audience?

Do you want me to tell you what's happening here? Yeah, like, there's really, like, not only no respect for the source material, but no respect for the viewers, the audience here. Like, they must think we're dumb as rocks, man. This is ridiculous. Yeah. We've skipped over, we skipped over an important fact. Up to this point we told by actors, we have to mention the actors here.

So, James, the coolest guy ever, James, is played by Jeremy or Vine, who I'm pretty sure is English. Right? He's English. Yes. Yes. He gets a letter from Mary, played by Hannah, Emily, Erison, Anderson, excuse me. He gets a letter from Mary. They rewrote the letter, of course, they did.

And he goes to look for Mary, right? You don't even get that she's dead until halfway through the movie. No, insane. Again, a bizarre change. Why would you change that? Really dumb. How dare you? The famous opening of the game, a dead person can't write a letter.

It's like... That's the fucking hook, idiots! Yeah. That's the hook. Now let's play this game and figure out where my dead wife is. By doing this, it makes like James. seem like he has like legitimate brain damage. Like he doesn't know anything.

But like in Silent Hill 2, he at least knows his wife is dead. And he knows that it's weird that he's doing this, that he's going to Silent Hill because of all this stuff. He like explains it to other characters. Like I know it sounds crazy. I don't know why I'm doing this. But I really want to, I really believe this. And I got to find out.

And it's just like, this James has none of that. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. And another major change, which I can almost understand, except except I don't. Hannah Emily Anderson plays all the other adult women in the movie. So, of course, you have Mary and Maria, but she also plays Angela. And she also seems to play more monsters.

I don't think I don't think they have to act like do the monster stuff. Again, what thing was she also- She plays like Moth Mary, Final Boss thing. What thing would she also give credit for? So a lot of these movies have really sketchy CGI. However, however, most of the creatures, like Pyramid Head and the Nurses and just the Freaky Stuff, most of those roles are played by real people, dancers, contortionists, wearing weird freaky makeup. And that stuff, I think, holds up beautifully. It looks amazing.

You know, I wouldn't say it's well used. Like, I know at one point, I think it's the first, I forget it's the first or second movie, but like, at one point someone just walks into a hallway and there's like a dozen nurses just standing there's. there. It's kind of like, okay, we're in the nurse hallway now. And like, that's just weird? I think that's the first one. And that's like, that's like a good like, here's the nurse scene. Right. And it's just, it's just all the nurses sort of like, that's very, that's very well done. It's like, even though there's like, why would you have the sexy bobblehead nurses in the first one? Okay, I know why. Never mind. So it's still, it's still a fun scene. In that regards, they do still have that here. There's still some creatures in this in this new movie, which is not a good movie, but there are still

moments of this movie where you see an actor doing a weird freaky monster thing, and you're like, oh man, that's an actor going to town as a weird freaky monster. I love it. I do enjoy that they employ contortionists and dancers and things like that. That's a good call. One of the few things you've got to hand it to them about. But, but, and I'm saying but so many times for a reason, but then you have stuff like this spider monster who's... With a big ass. A huge. A lusciously sculpted ass of the camera cannot get enough of.

Oh, my God. A big spider. Thick spider. Oh. You know... What does this mean psychologically, James? What kind of shit you've been watching? We're 226, we've also got a brand new Resident Evil game and that's got a giant spider

boss that also has a giant rump, but it's a spider rump. It's not a sexy ass. The return to Silent Hill is a spider monster with a human, a human, shapely lady ass. And it is- With jiggle physics on it. Oh, my God. Good Lord. Oh, wow. What is happening in there?

Which, of course, Pyramid Head really starts fighting with. They have a little like a tussle. Yeah, instead of doing like the really iconic scene where James is in the closet and he's seeing Pyraman Head, like, in action for the first time, seemingly fucking a monster or something. Or at least it's supposed to evoke that. Yeah, instead of that, they just, like, have this spider-booty monster, rasseled with him a bit, and then Pyraman Head punches it in the kidneys and the ass and it dies. And James is in the closet going like, oh, no, he's going to do that to my ass.

No. And then he opens the closet and they scream at each other. as the siren, as the siren goes off. And the editor goes wild. More screaming. Gives people seizures. We all love when Pyramid Head just goes and delivers soliloquies and screams a lot. We love this.

Ah. Arr. Ah. Ah. Ah. Evy. Evo Templeton is there who played Laura in the video game remake. She's here playing Laura again.

She is British. Yes, true. As is so often the character, almost every character in this movie does not do anything. So many characters appear and just, just, But Eddie, you know, Casey made a joke earlier. Eddie appears, delivers a few lines, and is never seen or heard it from again. Nope. Gone.

The happiest ending. Like, he doesn't even look like Eddie from the game. Nope. He's just some long-haired hippie going like, this sucks. Bye. Yeah, he's on screen. I counted for less than four minutes. And it's like, why, just take him out entirely.

Why are we wasting four precious minutes that could be spent on adapting the video game? Maria. In anyway. Maria is barely in this movie. Yeah. She dies and that's it. She doesn't come back, which is like part of the weird part of the game. I saw you die.

Well, no, I'm here. I'm real. Here. Touch my boob. Like, no. What? Yeah, like, it's one of the biggest misunderstandings, I think, of the movie makers here is that, like, it's important that James sees this fake woman die two, three times in front of him. Really, really, really important that he's.

sees that actually. He's got more fake women to deal with. Like, Angela, they did her dirty in the movie. They did Angela real dirty in the movie. Just being like, no, it's just a section of Mary. Who cares? Upsetting. Like the grave reveal that Mary's full name is Mary, Laura, Angela.

Crane. Crane. They chased her last name. Why did she choose the last name? They chased everything. Stop it. It's so, so dumb. I don't even know

like where to like I've all scatter shot with everything that's wrong with this That's why I'm making a fucking way too long video about Eddie Angela Yeah why no Eddie Sexist that right Gons No Eddie part of the tombstone Maybe that's James middle name

Thick Spider James Eddie Sunderland But yeah what a disservice to Every single character But especially the female characters And it just continues Gons is unfortunate mishandling of female characters in these movies.

And like, here's what's crazy. I found this while doing research for this video I'm doing. But there was an interview with Gons about this movie. And he mentioned that he found it interesting that so many people online don't know that Angela is part of Mary. And he just keeps talking like, that's a normal fact. He doesn't know that Angela is a real separate person in that story. He literally thinks that Angela is like Maria and is a fictional character.

And I'm just like, oh, my God, they let him make a movie about a thing he does not understand a key component of, good Lord. They did it once. This is absurd, though. Not knowing Angela's real is like, are you sure you played that thing? When? How tired were you? I just can't He's a fake gamer

He's a fake gamer He's a fake gamer Okay guys Get him I think to me The single The single dumbest change For me in the entire film

Which says a lot No I'm sorry Second How can you choose How can you choose The first one is what What we already talked about With the fact that they don't

They don't mention Mary's dead Until the movie's almost over Like oh by the way Mary's dead What? No The second dumbest thing the entire movie, is that they change the end of the movie because they give you, they give

you an in-water ending. Like, we saw, we saw the game, we know you want the in-water ending, so here's it in-water ending. And then they swerve into what I can only assume is either time travel, or, uh, it was all a dream or something. Oh, yeah. It jumps back to the beginning of the movie where Mary meets or James meets Mary at the rest stop area where the game, like, they do that whole, like, they have a meat cute in the movie.

And then the movie ends. And then they do the meet cute again. And James is like, hmm, perhaps this time I will live my life differently. Let's go, Mary. And they like, speed off. And Kiriyama can. In the opposite direction. Yeah.

Let's go. In the opposite direction of Silent Hill. Meanwhile, all the things that's going to happen to Mary are going to happen to Mary anyway. Because, like, she in this movie, she's still part of the cult. In this movie, she's like part of the cult. She's like really important. She's like a figurehead-ish thing in like rituals and all the stupid bullshit.

Since she was a child, she's been poisoned. So even if you meet cute her again and do this over, she's still going to die of poison later. What? I have an important question. I have an important question. There is a weird scene where James like basically peeps in on Mary as part of this cult scene. Are they eating Mary? They're licking her.

They're licking the hell out. They're licking. They gave her a potion that's poisonous that I think makes her sweat blood. That's the best I got on what is happening there. And then they take the yummy, yummy blood, and they lick it and they put on their hands. They lick in their hands. And it's what the goddamn Christ is going on. Another edition that didn't need to be is bringing the cult back for this movie.

Yeah, this is like the game with no cult in it, thank God. and you're going to do this to it. Just a ghostly town. Come on. What the fuck, dude? It's like they played the game and went, we're going to subvert everything that the game does. It's the anti-Sylent Hill, too.

I forgot about the ending that it went back in time. A part of me can set that aside almost to be like, maybe it's heaven, maybe it's the afterlife. It's a death dream, a dying dream. Yeah. You know, he gets to, that's how he goes away, kind of like a lost. some bullshit. Doesn't play that way.

It doesn't play that way. But to think of it as time travel is just too stupid for me to be like, that can't be the case. Maybe he's just dead and that's that. At least the movie's over. I can move on with my life. But speaking

of dead, actually, I guess this might be the second dumbest thing. Mary begs James to kill her. She says, please kill me. How fucking dare you? Please kill me. How fucking dare you? Oh my fucking. Like, I That's like the number one for me.

Like you didn't understand this game whatsoever. Because like the entire narrative core of it is that you don't know James's motivations for why he killed his wife. Like was it he just snapped after, you know, caring for her as she was like getting worse and worse. And he was like, fuck this. I'm out. I'm going to kill my wife. Or was it a mercy kill? Was it euthanasia?

Like we don't know. And like honestly like your favorite ending kind of tells you. how you feel about James, what he deserves or not? Does he deserve to be forgiven? Does he deserve to die for this? Does he deserve to repeat all of his actions as a punishment forever? And like, making it so clear that Mary was just like, pretty, please, kill me, please. And James was like, okay, boo-hoo and does it.

Yeah. Hashtag James did nothing wrong. Why is he in Silent Hill? He's just sad that he killed his girlfriend, but she asked. She asked. He got, girlfriend, not wife. Girlfriend. That's right. That's right. They were never married. They didn't marry.

There's no sundial on the tombstone. There's no sunderland on the tombstone. Another dumb change. Oh, my fucking God. How dare you? How dare you? We really got to make this guy seem like a nice, a nicer man. Right?

Like, why are we laundering James' reputation here so much? Also, he's cool. He's a painter. He's cool. He's super cool. It's weird how they made the male character so much better and cooler and like free of sin, basically did nothing wrong. And all the lady characters. are really fucked up and also the same woman, and they asked for it.

Gons? Oh, my God, dude. I can't wait to see what he does with the room. How bad can it be? It's a room. Speaking of Christoph Gans, I have a quote here from a Euro News interview. He says, this movie is a proposition. It's just a companion for the game.

It's absolutely not the official adaptation. It's my adaptation, and it's something that I put into the forum. Respectfully Gons, take it back. We don't want this. My jaw is on the floor. How fucking dare you. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining, Christoph. This is bullshit, and you know it.

You know what's the official adaptation of Silent Hill 2 is that Smiling Friends episode? Yes. That pyramid shows up in for four seconds. Good Lord. What a whiny baby. And it's just, Mon Dieu. You know, I mean,

I say this is someone who's a relative newcomer to Silent Hill fandom, I guess. I've always admired it from afar, but the first game I, the first game I ever played

in this series, like, actually played, was the two remake. So, like, I, but I really enjoyed it. I thought it was a really good game, and I know these games have a lot of, like,

reputation, I'm not, like, I don't have, like, decades of, of these ideas in my head. I just think, Oh, these are really cool games.

And I came to this movie. It's like, well, obviously there'll be some changes. What do they do with this? And I watched this movie. And I'm, I'll admit it to say, I stole this movie, okay? Oh, yeah, same. I stole this movie. They didn't screen it.

They didn't, it didn't come out in Finland. It is coming. Which I assume was for my health. It will be opening in Japan at some point, but not in theaters. It's going to go direct to streaming. But I stole this movie and I watched it. And I was still like, I was still angry. Like, if I had paid to see this,

I would have been furious. It's just terrible. I had an opportunity to possibly do it because I saw the movie poster at like my local cinema. But for some reason, I was like, are they re, I didn't look at it close enough. So I was just like, are they re-releasing the original Silent Hill? That's kind of interesting. Completely forgetting that they did return to Silent Hill. I just wasn't paying attention until it was already too streaming.

Lucky you. You didn't waste any money on it. I mean, I've wasted money on worse. But yes, hurry for me. So we'll see what the ultimate tally is. Obviously, the critical response was dreadful. Critics immediately said, no, this sucks. This movie has a worse IMDB rating than some fan-made movies of Sinalil.

I'm sure. I don't buy, I don't believe that. I don't doubt for a second. Oh, my God. Box office wise, I guess it's too certain to tell. They obviously they spent almost nothing making this movie. it did not open well, but who knows, it's still opening. They haven't put it out there.

Maybe they'll make more money and they'll decide to make another one. I don't know. But if you look at like pure numbers, I feel like each Silent Hill movie has returned less and less and less. And maybe they're spending less. So maybe it works out to be more money to them in their coffers. But to me, as a viewer, I just find that each film, each film just seems to, to stray further and further from what I even want to look at or think about or no exists. It's just, I think one reason I did this.

Yeah. I think one reason I wanted to make this podcast, I had to get these feelings out so I could just let them go. And it's like, this is just, it's just such an insult. Just such an insult to like, to the movies, not even to the video game. Like, this is a movie. You had a story to tell. And this is the story you chose?

This is a terrible story. It's a terrible story. Silent Hill deserves a little better. I mean, a game made from the movies that they tried to do it again. You know, just going in circles. I do hope he makes the room. To talk about the future of it, I think the room is one of my, like, the room is one of my, like, little favorites because it's such a goofy story and such a weird. It's very weird, yeah.

Take on that. I'm like, that's novel. I like that. And if he does it, I'll be there. I'll see it. Well, he's on the record. He's on the record. He says he loves the room.

Yamoka. Yamaoka says he would love to see Silent Hill 4, the room, the movie. I bet you that's as good as in the can then. I bet you that's as good as coming out. I can only hope they keep the burping nurses. That's all I can say. Talk about faithful. Give me a stairway.

Give me a stairway. One nurse, a stairway, and just let the magic happen. And popcorn. I'm good. Yeah. Give us the big head of Aline. Eileen, yes. She goes through so much shit.

Christoph Gaines would love to do this. Oh, he would love that. You're right. Just put her, just like she's falling down the cliff like Homer Simpson. Yeah. The movies, especially the first two, came out when the games were still sort of being made to a degree. And I do think. again, much like Resident Evil, the success of the movies and the audiences for those movies

in turn inform the people who make the games a little bit. Now, in the case of Resident Evil, I think it was a little more subtle at first, although there were some definite obvious takes. Like Resident Evil 4 has that laser sequence that is just 100% taken from the first movie. But I think the fact that these movies came out when Konami internally was kind of done with Silent Hill, they already started farming this stuff out to overseas studios to varying degrees of quality. Yeah. And I think, like, number one, everyone could decide, oh, well, we got to have more pyramid. Like, Pyramid Head is now the guy to be in every silent hill.

Maybe we don't call him Pyramid Head, maybe call him the boogeyman. But, like, clearly we have to have a pseudo game and have a big muscle guy with a funny hat on. That has to be here now. And maybe he's the protagonist. Maybe the protagonist turns into him. in a special ending. Huh? Yeah.

I kind of like love Silent Hill Homecoming. It is so bad. It's good. It's like a mystery science theater thing to me. Because it was written by two guys who were like sci-fi original movie writers. And you can tell. It's hilarious. Dog shit game, but hilarious.

I remember more about that than I do downpour. Say for like, I think Bob did a fun edit of like the mailman fucking around with the guy. But that's all I remember about downpour beyond that is a lot of water. Yeah. Downpour was very bland and it had an open world with nothing to do at it. Oh, yeah. Which is very weird. And it so almost had something to say about the criminal justice system in America, but it was too scared to say it.

What if the cops don't like the demographic of the cops that play Silent Hill? I don't know. Why not? Just do it. Cops are gamers too. Cops are gamers. Like, I don't understand. So close yet so far.

We fumbled the ball there. But yeah, like more pyramid head. Tons of more cult stuff. Confusing er cult stuff. Oh, God. Homecoming is the whole family thing? That's so weird. That's just weird.

I never could follow that because it wasn't silent. It was the town next to sound. Yeah, Shepherds Glen. Yeah. It was basically to summed a very. very, very, very quickly. Like a couple generations ago, people from Silent Hill wanted out. And to break the lease with their other world landlord, they had to do rituals and, like,

ritually sacrifice their children to break the lease, basically. And to make a new town somewhere. Yeah. Interesting. hilarious. Yeah. Super funny. Dumb as hell.

Not very Silent Hilly at all. And then you've also got, like, the other world transitions. happening in front of the protagonist's eyes with the skin walls peeling and stuff like that. That kind of wasn't a thing until the movies did it. And Centralia, Pennsylvania, just kind of seeping into stuff because, like, Homecoming has enemies dressed as minors, which, by the way, I think this is the first time you're killing human beings in Silent Hill. Like, definitely people.

Sick combos. Fatality. Yeah, he can fight. He was in the army. Yeah, yeah. There's minors in that, like in the first Silent Hill movie. and there's also like a steam coming out of the streets like there's a fire happening underneath the place it's like okay guys stop it um and sound hill downpour has a big like cave mine level with a ton of lore and this is like there is like a coal mine in silent hill that's mentioned like once ever in silent hill too and like the historical society is like a picture of the coal mine that's it that feels like that was like a happy accident for the Japanese developers that when they found that out, they're like, we can.

And then just kept adding more. And we're like, oh, that's cool. That's great. Wow. Wow. But I would argue these days, certainly, if the recent film is any indication, the games are in a much, much better place than the movies. And I don't think, I don't think the upcoming townfall feels particularly beholden to any cinematic adaptation. I think they're going for their own story.

They clearly want to do Silent Hill in Scotland. And okay, I'm on board with that as a concept. By all means, Scott of Silent Hill. Silent Hill. Like, I was doing the, not to spoil anything, but I was looking at the Gizo statues that you had to find for the second play through and the first play through going like, I wonder what you do here. You know, kept going because I couldn't do anything. You got to wait. Love a Jizo.

Sorry, I live in Japan. The Jizos are everywhere. I loved it. So, oh, look, it's a Jizu. They're wonderful. That's why I was so fascinated because I was like, this is more of the thing, not all the Fox stuff, but now we're getting to Silent Hill F.

Well, we've reached about the time of a major motion pictures runtime. So why don't we go ahead and wrap things up here by, obviously, I don't think we're going to be surprising one, but by all means, let's rank these movies. So, Casey, you first. How would you rank these films? The first answer is very carefully Because they're all kind of

They're all kind of bad But honestly, it's easy because it's Silent Hill 2006 is the most watchable and best out of all these three, which isn't saying much. It's a three out of five. Silent Hill return to Silent Hill is bad, but like funny bad in like a watchable way, in that kind of like schlocky way.

Revelations 3D, I really was having. having a hard time. Like, I was just, I was as tired as my friend who fell asleep. And I was just like, this is just isn't interesting. We don't even get the 3D aspect of seeing everything in this stuff. It's just not good. And, and also, I just really like, I'm reping Sound Hill 3 right now.

I got Heather Mason shirt from Fan Gamer. Oh, cute. It's where she's Princess Heart. And that game, I replayed that recently, or like the past five. years and was like, man, that is a solid game and deserves much better than this fucking movie, that fucking movie. All of them deserve better than any of these movies. But yeah, like just, just on a technical level, best of the worst is the first one. It's like, it's, for me, it's declining as it goes on.

But it's also kind of in a reverse way, I would also rank this the opposite way around where somehow return to Silent Hill is the best one because of like make fun of potential and B movie stuff and how dumb it is and those bad wigs and that beard that's just glued on to Jeremy Irvine's face. It looks like garbage. Like it's funny in places and it does not mean to be. And I think also Revelations is funny in places that there's like a birthday clown jump scare. Like, you know, there's tons of goofy ass shit in that movie. And it becomes more like, normal.

and sober as you go back into the past. So it's like, I don't know, I've got of many minds about how to rank such things. I abstain. I'm wimping out of a real ranking. Well, in my opinion, I kind of like the first film. I actually can watch the second movie and just sort of like let it glaze over me. It's fine to me. It's not a good movie, but I still find it.

tolerable, whereas I never wanted to watch for Trenton Hill again. So to me, it's a straight decline for me. I just really also enjoyed three as a game. So I was just like enamored with Heather Mason. And so I just, I want, she deserves a better movie. That's what I do. Yeah, like I said, but absolutely. That's why I like, that one's like the lowest for me.

I don't know. Thank goodness guns didn't have his hands on that one though. Yeah. It could have been worse. Yeah. An actual. cool female protagonist. Hmm, I don't know.

That seems kind of masculine to me. We should kind of, maybe we should gender swap that. I don't think audiences will understand such a thing. And now, let's play everyone's favorite game, Hollywood fantasy. So what if,

what if you were the person to make the decisions? If you could say, hey, I want you to make a Silent Hill movie. Who would that be? Give me a pick for a choice filmmaker. I want you to direct a silent movie. Island Hill movie, if that exists.

Or do you not want more, are you done with Silent Hill for movies, frankly? That's also a fair choice. I don't want movies anymore. Well, I think I would prefer be somebody I don't know. Have it be, I would, I want it to be like kind of like an A24, like elevated horror sort of thing. So like, just do one of those things and get some director that I don't personally know and has, like, doesn't have any baggage associated with them for me or anything like that. And real answer would be Jordan Peel because he's just very good at this stuff. Oh, there you go.

Yeah, yeah. Got a track right. Absolutely. I think a good answer, even though I don't think he would do it. For one, because he's dead. And for two, because David Lynch doesn't always do, like, commercial stuff. But I think he would have made a fun one. If just let, like, do Silent Hill.

It's about a town that traps people haunted by their past. And he goes, I've already done that. And then, you know, go back into his grave. Jordan Peel, that's a good one. I recently watched the movie undertone. Undertone. Yeah. It's about a girl like caring for her mother in her house.

And it's, she's making a podcast. So it's a very podcast-focused movie, which is like, come on. But it does play with a lot of sound about like all the, all the noises an old house makes is My mom really comatose kind of horror. And then when she puts on her headphones, it kind of muffles. And suddenly you're just hearing her talk to the friend. But maybe there's a muffled footstep behind you. Or, you know, it plays with sound very well.

Intrigue. In a way that's like maybe Silent Hill is good with sound. You need good sound and something like that. That's true. I don't know the director off the top of my head, but I enjoyed that. Ian Tuasen, Ian Tuasen. His directorial debut, too. Well, it was a decent

It was a decent flick, I got to say. Filipino Canadian. All right. Bring him in. I'm intrigued. You're going to put that on my list. Definitely. Maybe a Japanese director.

I don't know. I would think about the guy who did these direct-to-movie kind of horror films about, like, people making, finding, like, cryptids and stuff. I forget their names. They have big titles. Oh, Koji Shishishish. That's the guy. That's the guy.

Yeah. Noroi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His stuff is definitely more, like, Noroi is great, but a lot of it is like kind of found footage, first person stuff. So I haven't seen a lot of, he has done a couple, but I haven't seen a lot of like just straight, not found footage type stuff. He might be fun. And he definitely loves a lot of the, you know, creepiness, otherworldliness of

certain things, but he's also building his own weird. Has Silent Hill gone the found footage thing? I mean, aside from James his videotape. Maybe that's next. I mean, that'd be kind of interesting. I mean, yeah, I don't think it has. I mean, Townfall is not found footage, but

it is first person. That's seemingly correct. So that could be interesting. PT could have been it. But bring fucking, I would have slapped Konami around and said, let Kojima do what he wanted to do. Let him cook. Let him cook. Let him cook.

Also, Masahiro, no, Junji Ito, the other Ito was pinned to that project, too. Let them cook. Let them cook. Come on. That would, that's probably like the real answer is like, if we could have done it, we could have like let bygones be bygones or slapped Konami and told him to shut up, let Kojima do his thing. I mean, we're lucky that Resident Evil, like, took that and was like, all right, we'll do our own thing with seven, you know? Yeah, yeah. but what we could have had with PT.

Who. Well, I would... Different timeline. If I'm going to pick a name out of a hat, I would say a Cronenberg. I feel like... I mean, David... David is working less these days, but his son, Brandon, is making some really supremely weird, creepy movies. So, and he's probably the right age to have played a video game at some point in his life.

So maybe... Yeah, I'd give it to Brandon. Brandon Cornabook? Yeah. Brandon, yeah. I'd give it to him over David, because... I don't know if you saw the shrouds his last... Not yet.

No. It's personal in a way that's like not interesting to watch. Okay. I won't say anymore, but I was like, that felt like a really personal thing that I didn't need to be in a theater for. But yeah, Cronenberg, he rules otherwise. Anyway, that's enough for our little fantasy segment. Let's wrap things up here.

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But all that is there for Patreon. Casey, you are the newest person to this show as far as I'm concerned. Tell people about your internet life or what you liked. I'm stammer. I'm not so good.

I'm Casey Green. You can find me online. I mean, I'm the cartoon guy. I'm the, this is fine guy. It's hard to tell who knows and who doesn't. But I do like still making comics, and I do do one often called greacher's and you can find that it's creatures with a g you can find that at greetures.com.

You can find me on blue sky. Twitter sucks. So no. Instagram's pretty good. And my Patreon also, patreon.com slash Casey, gree. Casey, I forgot the title, but I saw one of yours comics that was all about a cat and a doll, a cat and a mouse. And like each entry just got weirder and weirder.

What was that called? That was called me and you. Okay. It was like a weird thing I did started during the pandemic where it was an idea of slapstick, like the yin and yang of slapstick through a cat and a mouse that constantly like had one against the other. But the setting kind of changed. So if the mouse moved on to do something else, he would be at the mercy of a cat. And then we'd follow the cat. And it would be at the mersen of a mouse.

And it would just keep going flip flopping over and over with no like real editing in between. It would just be like a long story. That was fun for like maybe 100, maybe 200 pages or so before I kind of just, it kind of dropped off and I stopped doing it. I mean, I want I promised. I know. I promised myself and I feel bad about it because I promised myself to I'd do at least 400 because that's, the idea of the story was that this could go on forever. Right. And that's the point of the whole thing.

But I only got as far as I think just under 200 before I just sort of. stopped updating it. But like, it's online somewhere or if not I should put it up online. That's on Patreon if you want to go check my Patreon and all the me and you's on there. What I saw of it was was really amusing. Thank you very much. Thank you. Jess, people know you, but go ahead, remind them. Yeah. Hi. Well, technically, goodbye since it's the end of the podcast. I am Jess Voidberger O'Brien. You can find me. My SEO has gotten worse because now Voidberger is a robot. ship. Oh, no. Oh, God. You've been hijacked by the Roblox. I'm so sorry. Damn it. It's a very, it's an obscure ship. It's like a crack ship. But Voidberger is, I did it first. Okay, kids. Okay, 11 year olds. It's me. Maybe this is good for my SEO. Maybe I've got a whole new demographic of 11 year olds. Yeah, you'll get kids being like, what is this?

Who's this annoying lady? Won't shut the fuck up about Silent Hill. But yeah, voidberger.com. There's a whole link tree of stuff there. But I am also on blue sky, voidberger.com also. Patreon.com slash voidberger, the whole shebang. And I'm also a YouTuber and streamer. Guess what my name is? It's Voidberger on all those things.

And I said last time I was on one of these that I was making a video about Sam Barlow, the creator of her story and Immortality. and stuff like that. But then returned to Silent Hill came out and I had to. I'm compulsed to make a video on that instead. And it's been a lot more fun than the Barlow one, so I'm enjoying

it. Look out for that eventually. All right. Well, if that's up by the time this podcast comes out, I will of course link to it and share it. It's going to be a while. It's going to be long. It's going to be long. Saw how much how impassioned I was on this podcast.

Just imagine if I all the stops out or whatever. Well, as for me, Diamond Fight, you can find me on the internet by looking for Fight Club. That's my little nickname. F-E-I-T, that's my last name. C-L-U-B. That's a blunt instrument you might find in many a Silent Hill game.

And I have website, Fight Club.me, Social Media is Fight Club, letterboxes, Fight Club. Go ahead, look me up there. Patreon as well, if you want to pay me some money. I appreciate it. I could use some money. That's it

I didn't have an outro joke So I guess Just we'll sing Some credits Some credits music And that low, low deep voice Oh Silent

Silent Hugh All All right All right All All Let me know Let's

Good night One of these Has got to end With the UFO ending That would have been That would have been That would have been some big dick move. Yeah, when's the movie with the UFO ending?

Yeah. Let's go. Yeah, if Christoph just had the dog ending or whatever instead of this. Yes. By that, that would have forgiven. I would have been a five bag of popcorn's movie. Yeah, that would have been a five bag of popcorn's movie. Never.

We'll never see that. We'll never see a she, but, you know, on the big screen. They don't respect us as audience members enough to give us that. They would change it to be a cat. This seems like a cat thing. do. Control the whole town, evilly.

That's such cat energy.