Rev Left Radio - [BEST OF] The Wretched of the Earth - Frantz Fanon: On Violence and Spontaneity

Episode Date: October 9, 2023

 Originally Aired on Oct 22, 2019 In our first installment of "The Wretched of the Earth" Alyson and Breht summarize, examine, and apply the lessons of the first two chapters of Frantz Fanon's master...piece work.

Transcript
Discussion (0)
Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, everybody and welcome back to Red Menace. So today we start our basically three-part series on France Phenon's Wretched of the Earth. So today we're covering the first two chapters on violence and the grandeur and weakness of spontaneity and then next month we're coming back and doing the next two chapters and by the end of the year we'll have covered this entire text and that is when we will move back to marks and angles specifically we've always told our listeners we're doing this interesting trajectory where we cover a lot of the basic leninist and maoist texts and then we come back to marks after a year of that with all of that stuff in mind and hopefully bring some new light to the
Starting point is 00:00:52 original mark so that will be coming at the very beginning of the new year but for the next two to three months, we will be working through this amazing text, The Wretched of the Earth by Franz Fanon, and that's what we're going to start today. If you do like the show and you want to support us, definitely go check us out at Revolutionary LeftRadio.com. You can find both Rev. Left and Red Menace, all of our Twitter pages, our Patreon, etc. And if you do join our Patreon for Red Menace, you get monthly bonus content. So, yeah, this is going to be a pretty long episode.
Starting point is 00:01:22 So I'm going to make the intro very short and sort of finish it there. and let's just go ahead and start diving into this amazing text. So, Alison, if you want to just go ahead and start us off. Awesome. Cool. So, yeah, I'll go ahead and start the text off. So I want to start by just acknowledging this text is very hard to summarize. And so we'll probably go a little bit longer in the summary section than we normally would. Please bear with us. Phenon's writing style is very, very beautiful, but also very difficult to track at time. And so we're trying to parse it into as coherent a structure as we can.
Starting point is 00:01:49 And that means kind of drawing some things out more than we normally would in other texts. So with that said, Phenon begins the opening chapter of this book titled On Violence with a very bold and blunt and just quite frankly to the point claim. He writes that, quote, national liberation, nationally reawakening, restoration of the nation, of the people or Commonwealth, whatever the name used, whatever the latest expression, decolonization is always a violent event, end quote. And these words really perfectly capture Phelon's project at this chapter. He attempts to look at the conditions under which decolonization can occur while, paying special attention to the psychological aspects of violent colonial repression,
Starting point is 00:02:27 as well as the psychological aspects of a violent decolonial uprising, and what that does to the people who participate in it. So, but not insists that decolonization is a historic process, which must be understood, quote, as the encounter between two congenitally antagonistic forces that, in fact, owe their singularity to the kind of reification secreted and nurtured by the colonial situation, end quote. So that's a lot of words that can be kind of depart. So let's try to break down a little bit what Phelanon is talking about here and about the way that the colonizer and the colonized reinforced this image of each other and shape each other through a specific dialectic. So Phenom points out that the colonized and the colonizer occupy the same land and that the
Starting point is 00:03:09 leader exploits the former through a violent process of oppression and occupation. And so in order to justify this, the colonizers have to create an image of the colonized as these dehumanized, more animalistic, sort of another species really, who can be rightfully oppressed, exploited, and who can have their land stolen from them. So colonization actually is a process that transforms the colonized in a specific way by transforming them into what Fanon says is another species. In contrast to this, Fanon tells us that decolonization also involves a transformation of the colonized subject, but this time in a different direction. He writes that it provides them with, quote, a new rhythm, a new language, and a new humanity, end quote.
Starting point is 00:03:50 Thus, Fennon claims that the process of decolonization is a matter of, quote, the creation of new men. The colonized subject, which was previously reduced to a non-human thing, is elevated to the status of human through anti-colonial and decolonial struggle. So this transformation can only be achieved through violent confrontation between the colonizer, the colonized. Vennon insists that, quote, in its bare reality, decolonization reeks of red-hot cannonballs and bloody knives.
Starting point is 00:04:15 For the last can be the first, only after a woman. murderous and decisive confrontation between two protagonists. End quote. And so it's through this violent confrontation that decolonization transforms the colonized subjects. It's this violence that allows that to take place. So having outlined the violent nature of the decolonial transformation, Bonon next lays out the colonial conditions in which decolonization occurs, and this is a bit more descriptive. Buton argues that the colonial situation is defined by division, by compartmentalization, and by bifurcation. Some towns are for colonizers. and some are for the natives, and this division occurs throughout colonial society.
Starting point is 00:04:51 You see divided schools, divided streets, divided buildings. There's a constant compartmentalization of the world along the basis of colonization. And this divided world is divided on the basis of colonial violence. Vennon writes, quote, the dividing line, the border, is represented by the barracks and the police stations. And the colonies, the official legitimate agent, the spokesperson for the colonizers. And the regime of oppression is the police officer or the soldier, end quote. So Fanon explains that in capitalist societies, exploitation is often masked through moral teachings. So we might look at the way that religion, for example, teaches people in capital
Starting point is 00:05:26 society to be humble and subservient to people with authority. Or we might look at the way that school teaches us that it's good to sacrifice for a good job someday and that you should do what your boss tells you so that you can get a promotion or you should stick to the schedules that are dictated for you by other people. This subservience is bred through a sort of ideological means. But Fanon tells us that this isn't really how things work in colonial society. In contrast to this, the colonial society is marked by brutal and obvious violence. The police and soldiers enact brutal violence that's not masked behind some pretty ideology. For the colonized subject, they're not given an ideology that makes a beautiful story of why they should submit. They are daily reminded through brute force
Starting point is 00:06:06 and repression that they have to submit to the colonizing forces. And this violence is used to keep native people combined to native sectors outside of the areas occupied by the colonizers. These areas, according to Fanon, are marked by poverty and desperation, and the conditions inside them often cause the colonized to grow resentful and to look at the European colonizers with a strong sense of envy. Vanon claims that, quote, there's not one colonized subject who at least once a day does not dream of taking the place of the colonist, end quote. In this world of division and bifurcation, things operate slightly differently than in capital society. Vanon actually tells us that race can't be conceptualized
Starting point is 00:06:41 a mere superstructure, which results from the economic base of colonialism. Here, he somewhat challenges the Marxist view of things that often reduces race to an ideological product of capitalism rather than a starting point for repression in the first place. Phelon writes that, quote, looking at the immediacies of the colonial context, it is clear that what divides the world is first and foremost what species, what race one belongs to. In the colonies, the economic infrastructure is also a superstructure. The cause is a fact. You are rich because you are white. You are white because you are rich. This is why a Marxist analysis should always be slightly stretched when it comes to addressing colonial issues.
Starting point is 00:07:16 It's not just the concept of pre-capital society so effectively studied by Marx, which needs to be re-examined here. The serf is essentially different from the night, but a reference to divine right is needed to justify that difference in status. In the colonies, the foreigner imposed himself using his cannons and machines. Despite the success of this pacification, in spite of his appropriation, the colonist always remains a foreigner. It is not the factories or the estates or the bank account which primarily characterizes the ruling class. The ruling species is first and foremost the outsider from elsewhere, different from the indigenous population, the others, end quote. And so, Phelan pushes back against potentially reductive Marxist readings of colonization that look at colonization is primarily about capitalism and see race as a secondary afterthought that doesn't need to be centrally focused into our theory. Buton says we need to stretch Marxism and realize that we can't have this reductive approach if we really want to understand colonization in the first place.
Starting point is 00:08:13 And so the colonial system divides the world into two separate species, the colonizer and the colonized, and it enacts intense violence in the service of preserving this division. The colonized are seen as evil and vicious animals by the colonizer, but the colonized knows that this is not the case. They know that they're humans and that they eventually will begin to prepare for the struggle which will demonstrate their humanity through by, violence. Decolonization then is the, quote, unquote, appropriation of violence by the colonized. This is not an idealic process of simply removing the compartmentalization of the colonial world. Decolonization is a fundamentally violent act. It's an act of destruction. Fonan writes that, quote, to destroy the colonial world means nothing less than demolishing the colonist sector, burying it deep within the earth and banishing it from the territory, end quote.
Starting point is 00:09:00 And so Fonon shows us that the colonized will eventually rise up and wage a struggle against the colonizers to appropriate the violence that their enemies have used and to assert their humanity through revolutionary struggle. He then attempts to sketch out how the colonizers will respond to this reality and how they attempt to deal with this move towards insurrection. So in response to the stirring's decolonization, the colonizers often make an appeal to Western colonial values. Benon tells us that the colonizers ask for decency and civilized discourse around issues like equality and reason, but the colonize can see through this hypocrisy. The masses really do understand that these values are only being brought up in a desperate attempt by the colonized
Starting point is 00:09:38 as to remain in power, not out of a genuine hope for equality and reason to win out at the end of the day. So as tensions heightened, the colonizers attempt to make contact with the elites of the colonized world, according to Phenon. Despite these efforts, the colonized understand that there can be no quality without an end to colonization itself. Some intellectuals from the colonized class may attempt to defend these abstract ideas of freedom and reason, but these efforts will not usually succeed in convincing the masses that it is enough to appeal to European values. At the same time, the talk of equality and the realization that equality can only exist through concrete decolonization causes the colonized to see past their own dehumanization
Starting point is 00:10:17 in many ways. Vanon writes, quote, the colonized subject thus discovers that his life, his breathing, and his heartbeats are the same as the colonists. He discovers that the skin of a colonist is not worth more than the natives. In other words, his world receives a fundamental jolt. The colonized revolutionary's new assurance stems from this. In fact, my life is worth as much as the colonists. His look can no longer strike fear into me or nail me to the spot, and his voice can no longer petrify me. I'm no longer uneasy in his presence. In reality, to hell with him. Not only does his presence no longer bother me, but I am already preparing to waylay him in such a way that soon he will have no other solution but to flee. As things intensified, the colonial intellectuals
Starting point is 00:10:57 will at first see to integrate themselves into the colonial system by filling highly technical positions previously close to the colonize. So Phelon tells us that basically the intellectual class among the colonized masses might try to integrate into the colonial system. But despite this, the masses do not see this as sufficient justice and will continue to push for decolonization. The colonized intellectuals will thus learn from the masses that the abstract Western values that they clung to are just meaningless abstractions in the face of decolonial struggle. The colonized intellectual will be forced to learn to abandon these values. Phelan argues that individualism will be the first to go and that the intellectual will have to learn to subject their personal will to the collective will of the colonized masses. Through a process of self-criticism, quote, the intellectual sheds all that calculating, all those strange silences, those ulterior motives, that devious thinking and secrecy as he gradually plunges deeper among the people, end quote. So in this context, abstract intellectual philosophizing that these intellectuals are obsessed with about, about,
Starting point is 00:11:55 the true and the good becomes useless in the face of struggle. The intellectual has to make themselves useful for the masses and for the movement for decolonization. Fonan writes that, quote, truth is what hastens the dislocation of the colonial regime, what fosters the emergence of the nation. Truth is what protects the natives and undoes the foreigners. In the colonial context, there's no truthful behavior, and good is simply what hurts them the most, end quote. So, having outlined the immediate response to the beginnings of the decolonial movement by the colonizing class. Benon next turns to analyzing the effective and psychological states that are created by this colonial situation and colonial context. The decolonial movement at first maintains the dichotomy of an
Starting point is 00:12:37 us versus them, which was created by the colonial context of bringing Benon. The colonized need to actually reverse this, and they need to paint the colonizer as an otherwise enemy to be struggled against. The dehumanization almost becomes flipped in order to create a basis for political struggle. And this is an inevitable result of the compartmentalization of colonial culture. It's the way that society has been structured, so it's what the masses have to work with. This compartmentalization makes the colonize often feel trapped by colonial relations, which can only be escaped through dreams, according to Fanon, because there's no real outlet for the colonized at all. Bonon argues that this frustrating sense of being trapped creates violence among the colonized,
Starting point is 00:13:14 as colonized people attack each other due to the constant tension of a colonial society. The constant policing by occupying European order, the sense of being trapped, and the constant demand to be submissive makes this sort of tension fester even more intensely within the colonized corners. So Fanon explains that in this context, common sense seems to disappear. People turn to violence at, you know, the slightest provocation, as the only way that the colonized subject can exert its power at all is through violent self-defense whenever the colonized subject is wrong by other colonized subjects. Fanon explains that, quote, by throwing himself muscle and soul into bloody feuds, the colonized subject endeavors to convince himself that colonialism has never
Starting point is 00:13:54 existed, that everything is as it used to be, and history marches on, end quote. So, this condition causes people to turn to superstition into supernatural explanations for things as well. Bonon argues that the ritual dance and possession rituals that we see within African spirituality can be best understood as an expression of this exhausted, intentioned colonial affectivity. He also notes that as the liberation struggle kicks up, these rituals begin to fade to the background as the colonized are forced to face immediate needs, like feeding the poor or surviving intense violent repression from colonial forces. Fanon writes that, quote, after years of unreality, after wallowing in the most extraordinary phantasms, the colonized subject, machine gun at the ready, finally confronts
Starting point is 00:14:38 the only force which challenges his very being colonialism. The colonized subject discovers reality and so transforms it through his practice, his deployment of violence, and his agenda for liberation, end quote. So Fanon next turns to asking how we can know if a situation is ready for national liberation and which forces can play a decisive revolutionary role within that struggle. Fanon argues that nationalist political parties composed mostly of urban voters will often try to quell revolution, instead asking for power to be handed to them by the colonizers. So as we move into this decolonial context, this is how things begin to shape up. This is because their urban support base often benefits in some ways from the economic conditions of colonization.
Starting point is 00:15:18 These parties might secure advances for the rich and powerful individuals, but the masses are never satisfied with this piecemeal reform. In fact, the revolutionary peasantry who live outside the cities where these parties are most active feel left out of these nationalist parties. And the peasants latch on to the need for revolutionary violence all the more because of the reform that the nationalist parties often seek. And so in response to this desire for violence, the colonial bourgeoisie then began to push a new ideology according to Fanon, the ideology of non-violence. This is yet another attempt to stifle the mass's desire for revolutionary violence. The nationalist parties attempt to move things in this non-violent direction so that the movement for decolonization doesn't threaten capitalist relations within the colony. And thus, the nationalist party, to some extent, plays a pacifying role. Attempting to keep
Starting point is 00:16:04 the revolutionary struggle from occurring by acting as a peaceful release valve for the inquiry. of the colonized. And in this sense, we can see the national parties playing a counter-revolutionary function, but this is not the end of the story, according to Fanon. Despite their attempts to stop the outbreak of revolutionary violence, the nationalist parties actually still end up playing a partially progressive role in the liberation struggle. So Fanon explains when he writes, quote, in their speeches, the political leaders named the nation. The demand of the colonized are thus formulated. But there's no substance. There's no political and social agenda. There's a vague form of national framework, which might be termed a minimal demand. The politicians who make
Starting point is 00:16:41 the speeches, who write the nationalist presses, raise the people's hope. They avoid subversion, but in fact stir up feelings in the unconsciousness of the listener or readers. Often the national or ethnic language is used. Here again, expectations are raised, and the imagination is allowed to roam outside the colonial order. Sometimes even these politicians declare, quote, we blacks, we Arabs, end quote. And these terms charged with ambivalence during the colonial period take on a sacred connotation. These nationalist politicians are playing with fire, end quote. So thus these parties can actually end up raising the revolutionary consciousness that they seek to oppose on accident. By formulating demands in nationalist terms, they create more furor and fervor for national liberation
Starting point is 00:17:22 and the movement for getting rid of the colonizers through violent actions. They end up creating the very forces, which they seek to control. This leads to the state repression as the colonized try to crack down on the nationalist movement in most instances. This doesn't stop the movement, however, and repression actually usually revitalizes opposition to the colonizers. It often radicalizes the masses even more, causing them to move away from the faltering nationalist parties, instead embracing revolution. And in return, this usually causes the colonists to prop up the nationalist leaders and grant them formal independence. Rather than face actual physical overthrow, the colonizing class often decides to just give the nationalist parties control and cut their
Starting point is 00:18:01 losses once it becomes clear that violent revolution is on the horizon. But this independence doesn't usually satisfy the masses, as they still see the way that the rest of the world has more than them and still feel that they have been robbed by colonialism. In the time that Fanon writes, he says that the new nation becomes a plaything for the USSR or for the Americans to fight over, and the masses feel themselves caught in the conflict between socialism and capitalism. This causes the colonized to see their position in the international system in relation to imperialism. Benon tells us that, quote, when Mr. Khrushchev brandishes his shoe at the United Nations and hammers the table with it, no colonized individual, no representative of the underdeveloped countries laughs. For what Mr. Khrushchev is showing the colonized countries who are watching is that he, the missile-wielding music, is treating these wretched capitalists the way they deserve.
Starting point is 00:18:48 Likewise, Castro attends the UN and military uniform not to scandalize the underdeveloped countries. What Castro is demonstrating is how aware he is of the continuing regime of violence. What is surprising is that he did not enter the UN with his submachine gun, but perhaps that wouldn't have been allowed, end quote. And so what he points out is now these newly independent nations and the masses among them start to see where they fit into the international struggle that is occurring. And they look to socialist leaders in many instances as an example of resisting imperialist violence. And so this led to an alignment between much of the third world and Soviet socialism, as the Soviets often provided aid to colonize people through arms provision. And this caused capitalism to originally develop a sort of opposition to national liberation struggle. The imperialists, of course, paid lip service to oppressed peoples throughout the third world, but they also promoted sci-offs and soft power projects like Radio Free Europe, instead of actually assisting countries in developing on the path of independence. So, the masses have thus attained liberation, but they do not feel like their situation has been totally rectified.
Starting point is 00:19:52 Benon says that the conditions for the colonized to develop values and citizenry doesn't yet exist at this stage, and that the leaders of these new nations often turn to international neutrality, the lining with neither the Soviet Union nor the United States as a result of this. This neutrality is strategic, as it allows them to gain money from both the Soviet bloc and the Americans, but it's also dangerous because it means that the new nation is not defended by either one of these superpowers. Now, these newly independent countries, caught between various forces of the Cold War, still suffer greatly, according to Phonan. He writes that, quote, in these regions, except for some remarkable achievements,
Starting point is 00:20:26 every country suffers from the same lack of infrastructure. The masses battle with the same poverty, wrestle with the same age-old gestures, and delineate what we call the geography of hunger with their sunken bellies, a world of underdevelopment, a world of poverty, and inhumanity. End quote. So this condition, this lack of development, results through the colonizers withdrawing capital and investment when they leave or are driven out in the independent struggle. These colonizers often create economic pressures to punish these new nations as well.
Starting point is 00:20:54 You can look at the way that France, required reparations from the Haitians after their revolution as an example of way that they punish the newly independent nations. This forces the nationalist leaders to enact austerity and to demand that the populace rebuild the infrastructure of the country, even though the populace is usually poor, tired, and doesn't have the resources to do so. These countries which choose total independence are forced to develop a sort of cruel self-sufficiency, while others in European nations live in luxury, and the masses in these nations see that discrepancy in that difference. Other countries don't choose autarchy and self-sufficiency, though, and instead become economically
Starting point is 00:21:29 dependent on the old colonizers. Fanon writes that, quote, the former colonizer, which has kept intact and in some cases reinforced the colonial marketing channel, in Greece to inject small doses into independent nations' budget in order to sustain it. Now that the colonial countries have achieved their independence, the world is faced with the bare fact that the actual state of liberated countries even more intolerable. The basic confrontation, which seemed to be colonialism versus anti-colonialism, indeed capitalism versus socialism is already losing importance. What matters today, the issue which blocks the horizon is the need for redistribution of wealth, end quote. And so for Fendon, the underdevelopment, the lack of investment in capital, the lack of wealth
Starting point is 00:22:09 that these newly independent nations have, completely holds them back from accessing equality with the rest of the world. These countries, Fennon insist, must not be forced to choose between aligning themselves with the force of capitalism or falling apart completely. He writes that, quote, on the contrary, the underdeveloped countries must endeavor to focus on their own values as well as methods and styles specific to them. The basic issue with which we are faced is not the unequivocal choice between socialism and capitalism and capitalism, such as that they have been defined by men from different continents and different periods, end quote. Now, Phenon is not rejecting socialism entirely here. We should be clear about that. He concedes that capitalist exploitation cannot be allowed in these new countries and that socialist development is necessary to create a successful new nation.
Starting point is 00:22:53 The problem that Phnom points out, however, is that there's simply not the necessary resources within these new nations for socialist development to occur in the first place. So a redistribution of wealth is necessary for the newly independent nations in the global south to build socialism at all. Phelon insists that it's not enough for the imperialists and the colonists to pull out of these new independent nations, taking their wealth with them. He demands reparations from the imperialists instead, writing, quote, we say among ourselves, it is a just reparation we are getting. So we will not accept aid for the underdeveloped countries as charity. Such aid must be considered the final stage of a dual consciousness, the consciousness of the colonized that is their due and the consciousness of the capitalist powers that effectively they must pay up. If through lack of intelligence, not to mention ingratitude, the capitalist countries refuse to pay up,
Starting point is 00:23:40 then the unrelenting dialectic of their own system would see to it that they are asphyxiated, end quote. This paying up, of course, does not play out. And capital flight is actually a constant problem that these newly liberated nations have to deal with. This ultimately, of course, ends up hurting the capitalists as well as the colonized, because it forces the colonized to turn to self-sufficiency in autarchy instead of integrating into an international market. This actually causes the international capital's class to lose out on new markets that are opening up. The capitals lose out on these potential markets, and this eventually leads the capitalist to change their mind and offer much more aid to underdeveloped
Starting point is 00:24:14 nations in many instances. Phelan writes that, quote, it is clear, therefore, that the young nations of the third world are wrong to grovel at the feet of capitalist countries. We are powerful in our own right and the justness of our position. It is our duty, however, to tell and explain to the capitalist countries that they are wrong to think the fundamental issue of our time is the war between the socialist regimes and them. An end must be put to the Cold War. The nuclear arms race must be stopped, and the underdeveloped regions must receive generous investments and technological aid, end quote. And so, again, Fonon insists the necessity of creating equality and a redistribution of wealth that could allow these newly independent states
Starting point is 00:24:53 integrate into the global order, and he says that this is an imperative that extends beyond the Cold War and the fighting between the USSR and the United States. So, the third world then must ask for reparations and true equality. Fadon further writes that what the third world, quote, expects from those who have kept it in slavery for centuries, is to help it rehabilitate man and ensure his triumph everywhere once it. for all. End quote. Phenon is not ignorant, and he's not really an idealist, however. He notes that European benevolence can't be sufficient to ensure that this task is undertaken, and instead he makes a final call for internationalism, writing that, quote, this colossal task, which consists of reintroducing man into the world, man in his totality, will be achieved with the crucial help
Starting point is 00:25:36 of the European masses, who do well to confess that they have often rallied behind the position of our common masters on colonial issues. In order to do this, the European masses must first of all decide to wake up, put on their thinking caps, and stop playing the irresponsible game of sleeping beauty, end quote. And so Phonan ends this chapter by an appeal, not to the capitalist classes that rule the capitalist European countries, but to the masses of those countries, to stand in solidarity and to fight back against the colonial masters who have continued to oppress the formerly colonized nations through things like austerity, through things like demanding reparations, or through things like not putting capital into their
Starting point is 00:26:14 market so that they remain permanently underdeveloped. The call that Phenon makes is not on the capitalist to suddenly have a change of heart, but for the masses to rise up and band together in solidarity with the third world. Beautifully done, beautifully said, I do want to make a structural point before we move on. From my understanding, this book, The Wretched of the Earth, was originally a bunch of separate essay. So in Chapter 2, it does not follow where Chapter 1 left off, right? Chapter 1 is Fanon talking about violence and everything Allison just mentioned. In Chapter 2, he sort of restarts the entire process again and goes through it to show the evolution of national liberation struggles and how different factions operate within it. And it starts back from a position of
Starting point is 00:26:58 being colonized, right? So just for people listening and trying to follow along, don't think of this text as a hyperchronological argument being laid out. It really is sort of a more collection of essays put together. And in fact, I have this book right here called MediCoronological. Meditations on France Fanon's Wretched of the Earth by James Yaqui Salas. It's really, really good, and one of the things he does in this text is actually proposed that you read this book in a whole different order because he's getting at that same structural problem. So I just want to make that clear up front so nobody expects this part to this Chapter 2 to just pick up where Allison left off. So with that all firmly in mind,
Starting point is 00:27:37 let's go ahead and dive in to Chapter 2 here. So Fanon opens up Chapter 2 of his book by reflecting on the fact that in chapter one on violence, he laid out how there is often a discrepancy between the masses and the nationalist parties in a colonized country. This is important for this entire chapter because what Fanon aims to tackle here are the competing strategies or more precisely the different aspects of a process between spontaneity and organization in the context of national liberation struggles. That contradiction in tactics can often be a focal point which reflects the tensions, not only between spontaneity and organization as such, but also between short-term rebellion and long-term revolutionary war.
Starting point is 00:28:19 But what Fanon is basically doing throughout this chapter is tracing the evolution and common pitfalls of national liberation struggles. He does this by demystifying general laws, patterns, and trajectories, which are common to all anti-colonial struggles, and methodically reveals how these struggles develop over time. And it's essential to remember why he is doing this. He is doing this with the express purpose of equipping national liberation revolutionaries and movements with a deep understanding of these processes in order to increase the likelihood of success for these movements.
Starting point is 00:28:52 He is not talking to some generalized readership, and he is certainly not talking to Europeans or Americans. He is talking directly to and for the victims of colonialism, to the wretched of the earth. Fennon also reminds us here, and this will be important to keep in mind throughout this section, that the very creation of these reformist and often collaborationist nationalist parties in the colonized countries is inseparable from the rise of an intellectual and business elite within those countries. And it is this elite who fill the ranks of these nationalist parties. And it's in the implicit interests of these elites that these parties often function. So with all of that in mind, let's jump into chapter two entitled grandeur and weakness of spontaneity.
Starting point is 00:29:34 Phelon begins by pointing out how the very notion of a reformist political party, party is imported from the Metropoles and is forged in those contexts. And as such, it is often out of sync with the needs and realities of a colonial society. In the Imperial Corps, these organizations are used to manage and obscure the struggle of the proletariat within the context of a highly industrialized capitalist society. As such, the focus of these parties and the fatal flaw of them, according to Fanon, is to address, first and foremost, the native urban proletariat in colonial society, which represent the most politically conscious, as well as.
Starting point is 00:30:08 the most relatively privileged, as they hold positions which Fanon refers to as indispensable for the operation of the colonial machine, civil servants, interpreters, nurses, drivers, intellectuals, etc. This is often the base of the nationalist parties in the colonial world. The problem with this, as Fanon points out, is that this population of a colonial society is incredibly small, seldom representing more than one or two percent of the entire population of a given colonial country. On the other side of this yawning divide are the rural masses, upon whom the nationalist parties made up of urban workers, as I said, civil servants, intellectuals, etc., look with distrust and skepticism. One of the reasons for this, Phelan argues, is that these peasants still live in a feudal state with a medieval structure.
Starting point is 00:30:53 And this reality is nurtured and solidified by the colonizers who benefit from keeping these rural masses under the authority of feudal overlords and rulers while petrifying them in a state of non-progress, a more or less static feudal state. The feudal rulers who are often propped up by the colonizers immediately come into conflict with the urban sectors of the population, specifically the emerging national bourgeoisie and business class. The latter find themselves in competition with the feudal rulers as their rural society is not dominated by markets and free trade, but by religion, tradition, and superstition, much of which is an open hostility to the values and goals of the burgeoning national bourgeoisie. From this, a cultural as well as an economic and political divide emerges and strengthened. These agents of feudal rule form a barrier between the nationalist party base in urban areas and the masses of people in rural areas. The traditional authorities feel their power and status in society to be threatened by urban elite and their aspirations to infiltrate economically and culturally the rural areas.
Starting point is 00:31:54 On the other side of the coin, Fanon says, The westernized elements' feelings toward the peasant masses recall those found among the proletariat in the industrialized nations. In the industrialized countries, the peasant mass, are generally the least politically conscious, the least organized, as well as the most anarchistic. They are characterized by a series of features, individualism, lack of discipline, the love of money, etc., defining an objectively reactionary behavior, end quote. So as colonialism continues to develop, the landless peasants and those who cannot make a living in the countryside are slowly driven into the cities, crammed into shanty towns, and become the lump in proletariat. We'll get back to this later. Those peasants who stay in the countryside
Starting point is 00:32:38 often become staunch defenders of traditions and in a colonial society importantly they actually represent elements of discipline and communalism while the urban centers become increasingly individualistic. So you see this gap widening and different elements taking place in different parts of the country.
Starting point is 00:32:54 This divide, Fanon makes sure to remind us, is not the traditional opposition between cities and rural areas, especially not if you're an American or North American thinking about the differences between cities and rural areas. rural areas. That's not the divide here at play. Rather, it represents the opposition between the colonized people who find a way to benefit from the colonial system and those who are excluded
Starting point is 00:33:16 from those benefits. This is all to the colonialists' advantage, as they often leverage these splits and antagonisms in their struggle against the nationalist parties, setting those in the mountains and countryside against those in the urban centers and thereby dividing the possible anti-colonial forces. We have seen this dynamic play out countless times in countless colonial contexts. Instead of adapting their nationalist parties' tactics and organizational methods to trying to inject the rural areas with nationalist or progressive elements, the nationalist parties instead set themselves against the rural masses, fighting what they see to be backward traditions and
Starting point is 00:33:52 mindsets. In this way, the colonial structure benefits, while a divide between the burgeoning urban elite and the rural peasant masses only grows. When the urban elements do go to the rural areas, it's always with the authority of the urban powers at their backs, and it usually causes only more resentment and division. They do not go into these areas to teach, to unify, to educate, or to cooperate, rather they go there to dictate and dominate, erasing important traditions and histories in the name of a new national identity.
Starting point is 00:34:20 The colonial powers and the entire colonial structure continues to benefit from this divide. Even after a successful national liberation struggle, Fanon goes on to say, these same mistakes are often repeated, which fosters a trend towards social, cultural, and political Balkanization and the feudal tribalism of the colonial period becomes replaced by regionalism and factionalism in the national phase. But Phnom points out, quote, the memory of the pre-colonial period is still very much alive in the villages. Mothers still hummed to their children the songs which accompanied the warriors as they set off
Starting point is 00:34:54 to fight the colonizers. At the age of 12 or 13, the young villagers know by heart the names of the elders who took part in the last revolt, and the dreams in the villages are not. not those of the children in the cities, dreaming of luxury goods or passing their exams, but rather dreams of identification with such and such hero whose heroic death still brings tears to their eyes." This basis described above by Fanon goes on to undergird and fuel the flames of peasant revolt against colonialism and for national liberation.
Starting point is 00:35:26 In cases where nationalist party leaders are repressed by colonial forces, the peasants can actually act as relays from the city centers to the countryside, informing the other of often exaggerated instances of colonial aggression, riling them up into a fury which they then sometimes spontaneously unleash on colonial forces and their proxies in the areas, inviting heavy repression from the colonial forces in the form of bombing campaigns and troop invasions. This often leads to the settling in of guerrilla warfare. Back in the urban centers, the nationalist parties struggled to respond to the blossoming
Starting point is 00:35:58 of revolt by the peasant masses. Remember from last chapter that these nationalist parties often do not outwardly advocate for armed rebellion, right? Their reformist, their nonviolent in nature, et cetera. But they are also not necessarily against it, specifically and especially when it's carried out by the peasant masses, which allows them to claim plausible deniability while still benefiting from it. However, instead of attempting to unite with the peasants, organize a more sustainable
Starting point is 00:36:23 rebellion, educate and politicize the masses, and take the struggle to a higher level, the nationalist parties sit back and hope that the spontaneous eruption of the masses continues. But as Fanon says, quote, There is no contamination of the rural movements by the urban movements. Each side evolves according to its own dialectic, end quote. The resentment, distrust, and huge divide between the nationalist parties and the rural peasant masses continues after the colonial period into the national period, often resulting in the nationalist parties cracking down on, repressing, or otherwise attempting to dominate the rural areas. Not completely unlike the way the colonists engage with the colonized, which is noted as ironic by Phenon.
Starting point is 00:37:03 And it's also important to remember that even after a successful anti-colonialist fight, the colonial power, often through clandestine mechanisms, continues to exert control over the country, fomenting discontent and throwing up obstacles in front of the new government. If anybody has trouble understanding this, we can just think of Cuba, which is a touch point that a lot of us understand, and how the U.S. government continued to operate or try to operate, overthrow, sabotage, and topple the new revolutionary Cuban government, even after the successful revolution and the ousting of the Batista regime.
Starting point is 00:37:36 So that's just an example for people to anchor themselves to. In fact, the colonial powers often attempt and succeed at creating new political parties in the rural areas based on tribal and regional loyalties and opposition to the development of a national consciousness and unity in order to weaken or take down a young nationalist government or general anti-colonial movement. The party of national unity is overwhelmed with new political factions, and the tribal parties formed with the aid of the old. colonial power, begin to vocally oppose centralization and national unity, and denounce the new government as a one-party dictatorship.
Starting point is 00:38:10 So let's pause here for a moment and summarize what we've just been over before launching into the second half of this chapter. In hypersumery, what Fanon is doing here is tracing out a general pattern and trajectory that virtually always occurs during decolonization in the third world, whereby different factions, with specific geographic bases and with distinct interests, compete with one another in such a way that it represents a radical and deep division, and thus a systemic weakening of the anti-colonial forces. This is preyed upon and aggravated and intensified by the colonial forces who have an interest in creating and sustaining divisions among and between colonized subjects. But we are now going to see what Fanon is getting at by tracing this history.
Starting point is 00:38:51 And fundamentally, he will be arguing that by unleashing violence, the rural masses begin to exert their agency and therefore begin to develop in earnest an anti-colonial subjectivity. In opposition to the classic Marxist orthodoxy that a successful liberatory revolution must be led by the advanced segments of an industrialized proletariat, Fanon is arguing that in the context of colonialism, it's the peasant masses, not the urban proletariat, who become the leading fighting force. But let's go back to the text. Fanon's next move is to show that there are truly revolutionary and dedicated elements within the otherwise reformist nationalist parties, which, in the face of this party's reformism, nonviolence, and weakness slowly become dissatisfied and then disenfranchised by those parties as the parties themselves come into closer in alignment with the forces of colonialism and disavow their radicals formally or informally.
Starting point is 00:39:44 These revolutionary forces come from a section of the intellectuals, as well as from the rank-and-file cadres, who have been the most brutally repressed by colonial forces in the urban areas, oftentimes having gone through periods of torture and imprisonment at the hands of their foreign oppressors. What this represents is a breaking point between the official and the unofficial or revolutionary party factions. The revolutionary elements from the intellectual sector and the rank and file sectors
Starting point is 00:40:12 unite to form an underground party initially, but as the repression from the official parties and the colonial forces intensify, these elements are eventually almost always driven out of the city and town centers and into the countryside. Phenas says, driven from the towns, these men first of all, take refuge in the urban periphery. But the police network smokes them out and forces them to leave
Starting point is 00:40:33 the towns for good and abandon the arena of political struggle. They retreat to the interior, the mountains, and deep into the rural masses. Initially, the masses closing around them, protecting them from the manhunt. The nationalist militant who decides to put his fate in the hands of the peasant masses instead of playing hide and seek with the police in the urban centers, will never regret it. The peasant cloak wraps him in a mantle of unimagined tenderness. and vitality. Veritable exiles in their own country and severed from the urban milieu where they drew up, the concepts of nation and political struggle they take to the maquis. Constantly forced to remain on the move to elude the police, walking by night so as not to attract attention, they are
Starting point is 00:41:13 able to travel the length and breadth of their country and get to know it. Gone are the cafes, the discussions about the coming elections, or the cruelty of such and such a police officer. Their ears hear the true voice of the country, and their eyes see the great, and infinite misery of the people. They realize that precious time has been wasted on futile discussion about the colonial regime. They realize at last that change does not mean reform, that change does not mean improvement. Now possessed with a kind of vertigo, they realize that the political unrest in the towns will always be powerless to change and overthrow the colonial regime.
Starting point is 00:41:49 Discussions with the peasants now become a ritual for them. They discover that the rural masses have never ceased to pose the problem of their liberation in terms of violence. of taking back the land from the foreigners in terms of national struggle and armed revolt. Everything becomes simple. These men discover a coherent people who survive in a kind of petrified state, but keep intact their moral values and their attachment to the nation and the land. They discover a generous people, prepared to make sacrifices, willing to give all they have, impatient, with an undestructible pride.
Starting point is 00:42:21 Understandably, the encounter between these militants hounded by the police and these restless, instinctively rebellious masses can produce an explosive mixture of unexpected power. The men from the towns let themselves be guided by the people and at the same time give them military and political training. The people sharpen their weapons. In fact, the training proves short-lived, for the masses, realizing the strength of their own muscles,
Starting point is 00:42:45 forced the leaders to accelerate events. The armed struggle is triggered. Now, this beautiful piece of prose could have been written by Mao himself. In any case, this retreat into the countryside by the Rev. evolutionary elements casted out of the city centers by their thoroughly compromised reformist nationalist parties constitutes for the first time the revolutionary unity of the most radical elements of the urban areas and the urban proletariat with the peasant masses. And it's at this point where Fanon says the arm's struggle is triggered.
Starting point is 00:43:17 Let's go back to Fanon because he continues. Insurrection disorients the political parties. Their doctrine has always claimed the ineffectiveness of any confrontation and their very existence serves to condemn any idea of revolt. Certain political parties secretly share the optimism of the colonialists and are glad to be no party to this madness which, it is said, can only end in bloodshed. But the flames have been lit, and like an epidemic, spread like wildfire throughout the country. The tanks and planes do not achieve the success they counted on. Faced with the extent of the damage, colonialism begins to have second thoughts. Voices are raised within the oppressor
Starting point is 00:43:54 nation that draw attention to the gravity of the situation. As for the people living in their huts and their dreams, their hearts begin to beat to a new national rhythm, and they softly sing unending hymns to the glory of the fighters. The insurrection has already spread throughout the nation. It is now the turn of the parties to be isolated. Sooner or later, however, the leaders of the insurrection realize the need to extend the insurrection to the towns. It completes the dialectic which governs the development of an armed struggle for national liberation. So this leads to a unification with the Lumpin proletariat, who I said earlier, live in the shanty towns around the city centers, and are driven by their desperation to earn a living through crime
Starting point is 00:44:36 initially. But when approached by the revolutionary masses making their way towards the cities, the Lumpin proletariat jump head first into the liberation struggle. The leaders of the insurrectionist, Fanon says, observing the zeal and restlessness by which its revolutionaries deal decisive blows to the colonialism machine, become increasingly distrustful of the traditional politics that are the hallmark of the nationalist parties at this time. In this initial phase, Fanon says the cult of spontaneity is dominant. The revolutionary energy expands and bursts of its own accord, rejecting anything that can be seen as political in the traditional sense. Fanon argues that this is a strategy of immediacy, and every spontaneously formed group represents
Starting point is 00:45:18 quote-unquote liberation at a local level. Reconciliation between tribes and rival families are made in favor of national unity, and this real national unity forged in spontaneous uprises and insurrections against the common enemy is strengthened and deepened by this elimination of old rivalries and resentments. Fanon says, On their continuing road to self-discovery, the people legislate and claim their sovereignty. Every component roused from its colonial sumber lives at boiling point. The villages witness a permanent display of spectacular generosity and disarming kindness
Starting point is 00:45:53 and an unquestioned determination to die for the cause. All of this is reminiscent of a religious brotherhood, a church, or a mystical doctrine. No part of the indigenous population can remain indifferent to this new rhythm which drives the nation. Emissaries are dispatched to the neighboring tribes. They represent the insurrection's first liaison system and introduce the rhythm and movement of the revolution to the region still mired and immobility. tribes well known for their stubborn rivalry disarm amid rejoicing in tears and pledge their help and support. In this atmosphere of brotherly solidarity and armed struggle, men link arms with their former enemies. The National Circle widens, and every new ambush signals the entry of new tribes.
Starting point is 00:46:35 Every village becomes a free agent and a relay point. Solidarity among tribes, among villages, and at the national level is first discernible in the growing number of blows dealt to the enemy. Every new group, every new volley of cannon fire signals that everybody is hunting the enemy. Everybody is taking a stand. But it's at this point, this spontaneous insurrection and uprising is developing and spreading throughout the country. Rivalries are being put down in favor of national unity, and there's a real offensive going on. But eventually, the counteroffensive happens, and it's here where the tide begins to change. For the colonial powers will not take this sitting down.
Starting point is 00:47:14 And it is at this phase that they begin to rally a brutal offensive against these uprisings. Casualties and losses are huge as the full force of violent colonial repression descends upon the country. Communities endure the brutal attacks and survivors are racked with doubt about how to proceed. At this point, the boiling spontaneity which launched this conflict into the open becomes its key weakness. And as Phenon puts it, quote, a deeply pragmatic realism replaces yesterday's jubilation in the illusion of eternity. The lesson of hard facts and the bodies mowed down by machine guns results in a radical rethinking, end quote. Leaders of the insurrection realize that in order to survive and to win, organization needs to be built in place of spontaneity. The struggle needs coordination.
Starting point is 00:48:00 It needs strategy. It needs cooperation across space, time, and differences. In other words, the very politics that was seen as suspect in the initial phases of the insurrection comes back into sympathetic view. But politics now no longer functions as it did before. It is no longer a reformist compromising politics. It's no longer a mechanism of mystification. Instead, it becomes the means by which the armed struggle, born in spontaneity, but needing structure,
Starting point is 00:48:25 is thereafter conducted, controlled, and guided. This shift towards organization and away from spontaneity transforms the struggle from a peasant revolt and uprising into a revolutionary war of national liberation with clear objectives, a well-defined methodology, political and social education, and the orientation of the struggle around a definable timetable timetable. At this point, the colonial forces add another weapon to their arsenal, psychological warfare.
Starting point is 00:48:53 Fanon warns of many things here. Among them, he includes the co-option of the Lumpin proletariat by the forces of colonialism. Fanon points out that the Lumpin Proletariat, while always willing to revolt, can and will be bought off by the colonial powers if the National Liberation Movement does not pay adequate attention to them. and, importantly, their political education. If this happens, the unity that was present during the initial spontaneous phase begins to erode and is eventually undermined.
Starting point is 00:49:19 Phelan, like Mao before him and Fred Hampton after him, argues that political education is essential in preventing this sort of co-option, short-sighted selfishness, and general dissolution of the revolutionary energies. Psychological warfare on the part of the colonialists intensifies and can take many forms. They start to turn to experts in psychology, and sociology to guide their strategies of repression. They hand down dictates to their proxies to engage respectfully with the colonized subjects,
Starting point is 00:49:47 extending to them the politeness and manners they extend to one another in the metropoles. After decades of dehumanization, Phan realizes that some colonial subjects will respond well to trivial displays of human respect and decency from their occupiers. Having been able to buy off segments of the colonized population through money, psychological warfare, and other mechanisms, the forces of national liberation begin to be able to be able to be. to shrink or waver a bit. And since the wealth and resources of the colonial powers are many times more abundant than those of the liberation forces, even more advantages begin to fall into the lap of
Starting point is 00:50:20 the occupiers, increasing the difficulty of the war for the colonized and also protracting the entire struggle. Some colonial forces even dramatically decrease their ubiquitous military presence and offer various low-level concessions in order to convince the people that they are or have succeeded and that engagement in the war is no longer necessary. This, as Fanon points out, is pure mystification and cynicism on the side of the colonizers. In fact, at times, a colonial forces control can be strengthened through this process, creating a more subtle and therefore more resilient form of domination and control. The cure to all of this, Fanon makes clear,
Starting point is 00:50:58 is organization. Organization creates assemblies and tribunals throughout the country. It systematizes the very sort of political education for the masses that is essential to counteract the cynical psychological tactics now employed by the colonial powers, and it replaces the old black and white dichotomies with the sort of nuanced and complex grasp of the variables at play in their society and beyond, which constitutes a political maturation process that is necessary for any future decolonized society to be born and to eventually function. Among these revelations include the fact that not every person from a colonial country supports their government, government's treatment of the colonized, and some even take the side of the colonized over their own country. On the flip side, some members of the colonized population are shown to be self-interested scoundrels who will happily replace one form of repression and occupation
Starting point is 00:51:48 with another if it benefits them. This breaking down of simple dichotomies is a very difficult but necessary part of this decolonizing process. And on top of all of this, engaging in the struggle itself is of huge educational importance. As leaders and fighters learn more about their enemies as well as about themselves through the act of violently struggling for liberation. So it's here that Fanon ends this chapter, and he ends it as follows. The nationalist militant who fled the town, revolted by the demagogic and reformist maneuvers of the leaders of the parties, and disillusioned by politics, discovers in the field a new political orientation, which in no way resembles the old. The new politics is in the hands of
Starting point is 00:52:31 cadres and leaders working with the tide of history, who use their must. and their brains to lead the struggle for liberation. It is national, revolutionary, and collective. This new reality, which the colonized are now exposed to, exists by action alone. By exploding the former colonial reality, the struggle uncovers unknown facets, brings to life new meanings and underlines contradictions which were camouflaged by this reality. The people in arms, the people who struggle enacts this new reality, the people who live it march on, freed from colonialism and forewarned against any attention.
Starting point is 00:53:04 at mystification or glorification of the nation. Violence alone, perpetrated by the people, violence organized and guided by the leadership, provides the key for the masses to decipher social reality. Without this struggle, without this praxis, there is nothing but a carnival parade in a lot of hot air. All that is left is a slight readaptation, a few reforms at the top, a flag, and down at the bottom, a shapeless, writhing mass still mired in the dark ages. And that is how Fanon wraps up chapter two. All right.
Starting point is 00:53:38 So now we're going to go ahead and move into our second section, which is a question answer where we posed some questions that we had after reading the text for each other. And we try to break down the text a little bit more conversationally. So I'll go ahead and start with the first question for Brett. So how, if at all, does Fanon's use of the term, as well as the role played by the Lumpin Proletariat, differ from the traditional Marxist use and role? So the first thing to do here would be to define what we mean by the Lumpin Proletariat. and this is actually more difficult than one may expect.
Starting point is 00:54:08 As with terms like petty bourgeois, their meanings can actually shift over time or be used with different emphasis by different thinkers. As capitalism structure continues to change and evolve, sometimes the lines between classes and subclasses can blur or even alter in interesting ways. So for a general definition of the lumpin proletariat as used by Marx originally,
Starting point is 00:54:30 I turn to Marxist.org and they define it as follows. quote roughly translated as slum workers or the mob this term identifies the class of outcast degenerated and submerged elements that make up a section of the population of industrial centers it includes beggars prostitutes gangsters racketeers swindlers petty criminals tramps chronic unemployed or unemployables persons who have been cast out by industry and all sorts of declass degraded or degenerated elements in times of prolonged crisis like a capitalist depressions, innumerable young people also who cannot find an opportunity to enter into social organization as producers are pushed into this limbo of the outcast. The term was coined by Marx in the German ideology in the course of a critique of Max Sterner. In a passage of the ego and his own, which Marx is criticizing at the time, Sterner frequently uses the term lumpa and applies it as a prefix, but never actually uses the term Lumpin proletariat. Lumpin originally meant rags but began to be used to mean a person in rags from having the sense of ragamuffin it comes
Starting point is 00:55:37 to mean riffraff or knave and by the beginning of the 18th century it began to be used freely as a prefix to make a range of pejorative terms by the 1820s lumpen could be tacked on to almost any german word end quote okay so that helps a bit in coming to a general understanding of the term and how it originated i've read elsewhere that lumpin in german means rogue so another way of thinking about the term is as rogue elements within the proletariat, often associated with a seedy criminal underclass of people who are too disorganized and uninformed to be part of a revolution. So what Fanon does with this term is that he actually sort of redefines it outside of an industrialized capitalist context and within a colonial one. By doing this, the term shifts its
Starting point is 00:56:20 meaning in interesting ways. Fanon actually argues that being uninformed or uneducated in certain essential ways can actually help the lump and proletariat to be free of colonial ideologies in a way that the urban proletariat and colonial societies are not. Fanon interestingly identifies the rural peasantry as these so-called rogue members of the colonial proletariat. He argues that it is these rural peasants who are forced into the peripheries of urban centers and therefore into shanty towns and ghettos through the process of colonialism which make up the lump and proletariat in the colonial context. But the biggest claim that Fanon makes here is that by virtue of their unique situation,
Starting point is 00:57:00 this lump in rural peasantry is actually placed in a special position to take a meaningful and important part in the revolution instead of being excluded from it as more orthodox Marxist understandings would claim. This general idea that the lump in proletariat far from being excluded from revolution can actually play a decisive role within it is actually carried on to this day in hip-hop by artists like bamboo, Earthgang, Dead Prez, Killer Mike, and many more. But what is essential to remember here is that Fanon also highlights the dangers of this subclass. As he argues, it's essential for any revolutionary movement to educate these elements politically. In lieu of formal political education, these elements can become incredibly individualistic, short-sighted, and even straight-up reactionary. In fact, there is a segment of the white lump and proletariat in the United States, specifically, that goes over to the white supremacist, Aryan Brotherhood type of fascism fairly easily and consistently.
Starting point is 00:57:55 both within and outside of prisons. The mafia, though not necessarily totally lump in nature, but certainly with lumpen elements, especially as you go down the hierarchy of the mafia, has long been associated in Italy and America with far right-wing formations. This danger with which Marx and Fanon reflect on is actually really important to keep in mind.
Starting point is 00:58:16 But fundamentally, I think Fanon has done interesting work on the concept of the lumpin proletariat in the same way actually, or at least analogously to the way that Sylvia Federici did interesting work on primitive accumulation in Caliban and the Witch, right? One could see both of these contributions as deviations from Marxism or arguments against Marxism, but I actually reject that. I see both of them as necessary and important updates to Marxism, which actually makes
Starting point is 00:58:43 it stronger. After all, Marxism is an open-ended science of socialism. It is meant to change and evolve over time. I think Fanon, like Federici after him, did Marxism a service by altering past orthodoxies, improving the overall theory and making us all continue to think deeply about things that others simply take on board as dogma. Allison? Definitely. I mean, I think that you're very on point here. One of the things that's interesting about, like, the concept of the Lymphumperletariat is that Marx talks about it very little. There's a few times when it crops up, but you don't get a lot
Starting point is 00:59:16 of commentary for Marx on it. And, you know, Mark's, you know, he tells us a lot about the mechanisms that create it, right? The Reserve Army of Labor, for example, can create when proletarianization because you need to have some people who are unemployed and exist on the fringes outside of class in many ways. But he doesn't really talk about sort of the political orientation of them as a class. And when he does, it's mostly pessimistic. The times that Marx talks about the lone proletariat, it's in very derogatory terms and with this fear that they are particularly right-wing sort of social element. And I think that obviously, like you bring up, that has often been the case. Fascism, of course, has always had a criminal component to it,
Starting point is 00:59:54 and a criminal connection that has organized gangs, for example, as parts of its early paramilitary formations. But I think that, you know, at the time when Marx was writing, we hadn't yet seen the role that the Lumpin proletariat could play within revolutionary movements. And just as Lenin could later look at back at Marx in the era of imperialism and see how Marx had a certain limits, Benon can do the same in the era of decolonization and anti-colonial struggle and can update Marxist theory by showing us that, in fact, if they're integrated into real, organizational formations. The lump and proletariat can absolutely play a progressive role.
Starting point is 01:00:29 We just have to be careful about it. Yeah, exactly. And you saw this with like the Black Panthers, right? They did this sort of outreach to street gangs. And on the podcast that could happen here, they actually dedicates a big chunk of one of the episodes to talking about the revolutionary and anti-fascist potentiality of specifically black and brown street gangs, right? Imagine Nazis trying to march through the south side of Chicago.
Starting point is 01:00:53 They're going to get fucked up. And so, you know, I really, I really like that revolutionary potentiality. But in my application later on, I'm going to actually dive into the potentiality versus the actuality of it and actually drill down on this concept because I find it so fascinating. So stay tuned for that. That'll be in part three. And I'll really drill down on that even more. But moving on, I want to ask Allison a question now. Now, in the text, Fanon says that when we apply Marxism to the colonial context, it is necessary to stretch it somewhat.
Starting point is 01:01:24 What does he mean by this? Is Marxism capable of explaining colonialism? And if it struggles to do so, why? Yeah. So this, I think, is one of the most interesting quotes in the text that I really spent some time wrestling with. So Phenon basically, you know, as we talked about in the first chapter, he says that Marxism and its distinction between the base and superstructure can obscure what's happening in the colonial context. So again, he says that if you look at colonialism in the colonial society, it is not that you have this class strata, which then creates race as an after effect. He says the cause is the effect and the effect is the cause. To be rich is to be white and to be white is to be rich. Those two things are conflated in a specific way. And so Marxism has to stretch to accommodate this. That's a really interesting quote. Is Fon throwing away Marxism here? Or is he modifying Marxism in some way? And there are certainly people who want to read. it in both directions. But I want to argue that it's a scientific advancement of Marxism. So when Marx wrote, we hadn't seen large-scale decolonial struggles that Marx had access to studying. And so Marx, of course, cannot necessarily give us the tools to understand what those struggles would look like and what the context in which they would occur would look like.
Starting point is 01:02:38 When Lenin later came along in theorized imperialism, then we started to get some tools to understand colonialism. We started to understand the movement of capital and finance and the way that that creates spheres of influence in which countries control other countries and colonization can occur in the first place. And Marxism began to give us an understanding of how that could function. But again, Lenin doesn't give us an incredibly in-depth examination of what colonial society looks like and what its internal contradictions and its internal construction looks like. Lenin, of course, gives us incredible tools to think about colonialism and decolonization. It's Lenin and Stalin who begin to formulate national liberation from a Marxist perspective. But again, the nuances and detail
Starting point is 01:03:18 of the colonial society itself are not necessarily there. And so when Fanon says that we need to stretch Marxism to account for colonialism and how colonialism structures a given place in a given society, we need to recognize that that's not saying that Marxism needs to be thrown out. That's saying that Marxism needs to be expanded. A historical materialist analysis of those conditions needs to be undertaken. And this is where Marxism remains the most useful tool that we have because it has the self-critical ability to fix its own problems. Marxism, for example, has been Eurocentric at various points
Starting point is 01:03:51 in times, but it's Marxists who have criticized Marxism for its Eurocentrism and sought to expand it. And I would argue that whether or not we think of Bonon as a Marxist or as someone who is interacting with Marxism, Benon is creating an expansion of Marxism and updating Marxism here and giving us the ability to understand colonialism through a dialectical materialist lens. It's hard to read this text and not to see the dialectics throughout it. It's in the very core of every structure that Phenon talks about, this constant focus on contradiction and moving beyond that contradiction. And I would argue that this text then by stretching Marxism, doesn't break Marxism, doesn't revise it in some way that negates the class struggle at the core
Starting point is 01:04:31 of it, but rather provides a scientific update to it and demonstrates what struggle in the decolonial context looks like in a way that previous Marxist thinkers could it. So yes, I do think that Marxism is capable of explaining colonialism, but that is through augmenting it with new research in the studies of the decolonial struggle that have taken place. And Vennon does an incredible job of doing that. Absolutely. I could not agree more. I really like this emphasis you put on this text as being a very dialectical text.
Starting point is 01:04:58 And I totally agree with that. And I pulled that out as well. And it's fascinating. I do want to read a quote really quick. This is from James Yaki Salas, the person who did the meditations on Wretched of the Earth. I'll be reading it in a second. But he had a really succinct quote kind of connects colonialism, imperialism, and capitalism. And he just puts it in a really good way.
Starting point is 01:05:15 So he said, colonialism is a form of imperialism, and imperialism is an international expression of capitalism. You don't fully understand colonialism, and you don't successfully attack it without understanding and attacking capitalism. So just for people trying to struggle these differences between colonialism and imperialism and capitalism, I for one found that, quote, to be extremely helpful. So for what that's worth. But I'm ready to move on to the last question, if you are, Allison. Awesome. Cool. So the last question then is, in what ways does Phenon's analysis overlap with Mao's in this text?
Starting point is 01:05:49 So where and about what, in other words, do Fanon and Mao agree? Okay, so I actually, I was talking to my friend about this who's a Maoist and loves Fanon. And we couldn't really decide or neither of us knew if Fanon read Mao or if Mao read Fanon, right? They sort of existed around the same time. Fanon died in 61. The Chinese revolution is happening, you know, in the 50s and into the 60s. So there's definitely overlapping lifespans here, but the latter, like Mao reading Fanon actually does seem more unlikely based on translation realities at the time. But the former is certainly not out of the question, right?
Starting point is 01:06:25 I think it's fair to say that by one route or another, Fanon was directly or indirectly influenced by Mao. Now, if that is true, it's yet another beautiful example of Mao deeply influencing black liberation and anti-colonial movement specifically. It's also an example of proletarian internationalism more broadly. But if it's untrue and Fanon never came across Mao in any meaningful way, then the conclusion is actually even more surprising, for it means that Fanon and Mao came to very similar conclusions by completely independent routes. In any case, I could not help but continually jot down the word Mao
Starting point is 01:06:58 on the margins of my copy of Wretched as I read through it, for there are so many connections to be made. First and probably foremost, I think the big similarity is that both Fanon and Mao reject and then update the more orthodox Marxist conception of the peasantry. Marx, as we all know, was a European, and many of his theories were premised on the idea that a truly revolutionary socialist force could only really be led by an industrialized proletariat in the most advanced capitalist societies. Of course, this is a simplification, but not necessarily a very intense one. While Marx may have shifted his thoughts and made shifts in his thinking over his life, it's undeniable that the general orthodoxy surrounding this point has continued down the line and infected many people's understanding of socialism and revolution. In any case, what both Mao and Fanon do is reject this orthodoxy in the process of trying to understand revolution in a non-industrialized capitalist context. For Mao, he was operating in the hyper underdeveloped China of his day. China was not developed enough to have the sort of idealized industrial proletariat that more European-based conceptions of Marxism demanded.
Starting point is 01:08:04 Mao grew up as a peasant and understood the specific conditions of China at that time, which led him to realize that the peasant masses were in many ways the heart and soul of. the Chinese Revolution. Fanon is locating his thought, not in Europe or even China, but specifically in the colonized quote-unquote third world countries, specifically in Africa. And by so doing, Fanon finds himself coming to the same conclusion as Mao came to
Starting point is 01:08:26 regarding the peasantry. And countless movements inspired by both Mao and Fanon have proven them to be correct in this regard. I mean, I think in the Philippines, as well as in India, these sorts of things are still playing out and still being taken up. But beyond the question of the peasantry, there still exist many
Starting point is 01:08:42 similarities between Fanon and Mao. Both stressed the importance of self-criticism and anti-individualism, right, in the context of like combat liberalism for Mao. And throughout this text, Fanon continues to make references to communalism as opposed to individualism. They both stressed the utter importance of political education as a necessary prerequisite to successful revolution. They both understood that revolutions are deeply violent affairs and that the process of violent revolution is fundamentally an educational one for those engaged in it both advocated for the necessity of cultural revolutions of revolutions in the superstructure and both have an unwavering and deep love and trust in the masses of oppressed people
Starting point is 01:09:27 something that leaps beautifully from the pages of both of their work in these ways and in so many others reading phenon with a good understanding of Mao or vice versa is surely an incredibly valuable way to come to a deeper understanding of both. It is no coincidence then that anyone who is really deeply into Mao will almost always certainly and without a doubt be really deeply into Fanon. And that is how it should be. Allison? Yeah, one other component that I would talk about, I think, of similarity between the two is I think that Fanon has a theory of knowledge and practice, actually, that comes up several times in this text that seems very similar to Mao's. I think it's really interesting one of the quotes that I talked about in On Violence, where he says, like, truth
Starting point is 01:10:10 in the decolonial context becomes what hurts the colonists the most. It becomes what dislodges them. It becomes what succeeds, essentially. And he even goes so far as to say that the colonized masses find reality in their struggle and in their violent practice, right? And so I think that one really big point of overlap is this idea that our ideas play out in practice, and that's how they're tested, which of course underlies so much a mouse work on practice as we talked about in one of our other episodes. And I think that while Fendon doesn't really thematize it in an epistemological manner, that sort of similar mouse epistemology actually underlies a lot of the claims in this text about how the masses come to understand things through struggle. Yeah, absolutely. I love those
Starting point is 01:10:55 connections. I think it's beautiful and it really helps understand both sides of that equation. So I'm glad we were able to talk about that a bit. All right. So that, is the end of part two, our discussion question section, and now we're going to move on to part three, our application points. For my application point, I wanted to explore a set of related ideas and concepts, which Fanon makes great use of throughout this text, centered on the differences between rebellions and revolutions, especially as they apply to the lump in proletariat. Now, I'm a huge fan of and have been deeply influenced by hip-hop, as many of you know. In other episodes of both Red Menace and Rev. Left, I've often gestured toward the revolutionary
Starting point is 01:11:36 potential of the Lumpin Proletariat and specifically the black and brown lump and proletariat in systematically impoverished U.S. Gettos. Phelan in his book links the activity of the colonized lump and proletariat, namely criminal and gang activity, which he refers to as internacing feuds, to the psychological and material conditions of colonialism. We often hear from reactionaries in the United States about black on black crime. And this social phenomenon is almost always marshaled by reactionaries and white supremacists of various sorts in our society in the service of demeaning or denigrating black liberation movements, black culture, and black people broadly. It's a trope that gains a lot of traction in a white supremacist settler colonial society like our own because it simultaneously obscures the socioeconomic roots of criminality and racialized poverty while protecting and reifying the logic of brutal law and order. capitalism. So what I want to do here is to read a few short sections of Wretched, where Fennon
Starting point is 01:12:37 discusses this, and then I want to read an expansion and reflection on those passages by James Yaki Salas, a black liberationist and U.S. political prisoner born and raised on the south side of Chicago, who read multiple times and studied deeply the wretched of the earth and applied its lessons to the context of black people in the United States. So first, let's briefly revisit some core passages, relevant passages from Phenon. he says the colonized subject will first train this aggressiveness sedimented in his muscles against his own people this is the period when black turns on black the police officers and magistrates don't know which way to turn when faced with the surprising surge of north african criminality we shall see later what should be made of this phenomena but confronted with the colonial order the colonized subject is in a permanent state of tension at the individual level we witness a genuine negation of common sense. Whereas the colonist or police officer can beat the colonized subject day in and day out, insult him and shove him to his knees, it is not uncommon to see the colonized subject draw his
Starting point is 01:13:43 knife at the slightest hostile or aggressive look from another colonized subject. For the colonized subject's last resort is to defend his personality against his fellow countrymen. Internacing feuds merely perpetuate age-old grudges entrenched in memory. By throwing himself muscle and soul into his blood feuds, the colonized subject endeavors to convince himself that colonialism has never existed, that everything is as it used to be, and history marches on. Here we grasp the full significance of the all-too-familiar head-in-the-sand behavior at a collective level, as if this collective immersion in a fratricidal bloodbath suffices to mask the obstacle and postpone the inevitable alternative, the inevitable emergence of the armed struggle against colonialism. So one of the ways the
Starting point is 01:14:29 colonized subject releases his muscular tension is through the very real collective self-destruction of these internacing feuds. Such behavior represents a death wish in the face of danger, a suicidal conduct which reinforces the colonists' existence and domination and reinsures him that such men are not rational. Okay. So now let's move on to a reading from Meditations on Franz Fanon's Wretched of the Earth by the New African Revolutionary and Political Prison James Yaki Salas. I think it's important to read this at length because this was written by a black communist who was directly and deeply influenced by Malcolm X, George Jackson, Ho Chi Minh, Mao, and many
Starting point is 01:15:12 others. He spent over 33 years of his life in prison in Illinois, both as a juvenile and as an adult and was radicalized in prison through his readings of various revolutionary thinkers, including and especially Franz Fanon. He organized relentlessly both inside and outside of the prison walls. He was a brilliant thinker who was relatively unknown, and part of the reason he is so unknown is because he wanted to be. He was a highly disciplined and a deeply anti-individualist figure. One of the most endearing and rewarding aspects of reading his meditations on Wretched of the Earth is that he writes in the everyday language of working and poor people.
Starting point is 01:15:47 There is absolutely no academic pretension to the way he writes and expresses himself. He is authentically of and for the black radical proletarian tradition, and in this segment of his book, which I'm about to, to read, he explores concepts related specifically to the black lump and proletariat in the United States found in the wretched of the earth. This essay is called On Transforming the Colonial and Criminal Mentality, and it starts off with a long quote by Malcolm X, which I'll not read, I'll just get into the content itself from Yaki. So he starts, during a conversation with the comrade, the movie Battle of Algiers was mentioned. Within the context of using that film as a way of making a comment on the present and probable direction that many prisoners are taking
Starting point is 01:16:30 and that many more will take in the escalating class and national liberation struggles inside U.S. borders. An apology is made in advance should we make errors in our recollection of events taking place in the film or the order of their appearance. In the opening scene or in one of the early scenes, the setting is a prison and the principal character was, we believe, portrayed as Ali Aponte. Aliaponte was an Algerian who had entered the prison as a prison. a common criminal or a bandit, and was then in the process of being politicized and of politically educating himself. He was being approached by a revolutionary, a prisoner of war, who had noticed Ali's strong sense of nationalism and his revolutionary potential, thus his potential
Starting point is 01:17:12 of becoming a revolutionary nationalist, rather than his remaining a bandits, a criminal, or a lump in with nationalist sentiments, and emotional commitment to nationalism. We know this already sounds familiar to many. Quote, I've been in rebellion all my life. I just didn't know it, comrade brother George Jackson said. And quote, for a young new African growing up in the ghetto, the first rebellion is always crime, end quote. A clear distinction must be drawn between rebellion and revolution, because unless this is done, we become confused in our thought and our actions. Arriving at clarity on this and other issues is a necessary aspect of transforming the criminal and the colonial mentality. We can rebel against something without necessarily rebelling or making revolution for something.
Starting point is 01:17:57 A rebellion is generally an attack upon those who rule, but it is an attack which is spontaneous, short-lived, and without the purpose of replacing those who rule. Rebellions bring into question the methods of those who rule, but stop short of actually calling into question the very right to rule, without calling into question the entire authority and the foundation upon which that authority or legitimacy rests. We rebel as a means of exposing intolerable conditions and treatment, but we seek to have someone other than ourselves change these conditions and to change the treatment rather than to assume responsibility ourselves for our whole lives. A rebellion essentially wants to end bad housing or have full employment or end police brutality and change prison conditions, et cetera, to, in other words, reform the system and leave the power to make these reforms in the hands of the master. A revolution on the other hand seeks not merely to reform the system but to completely overthrow it
Starting point is 01:18:51 and to place the power for overthrowing it and the power for running the new system that is established in the hands of the revolutionary masses. Thus the slogan, all power to the people. The failure to make a similar distinction between a rebellion and a revolution is what prevents many bloods from recognizing and then making the transformation from capital colonials to political prisoners and prevents those outside the walls from making the transformation from colonial subjects to conscious citizens and active cadres. It prevents us from consciously and systematically bringing up a new generation who know the difference between new African reform and rebellion and new African revolution. It prevents us from consciously and
Starting point is 01:19:28 systematically creating new African revolutionary leadership to lead a revolutionary movement as opposed to new forms of civil rights struggles under bourgeois leadership for bourgeois ends. It prevents us from making a class analysis of the forces inside our own neo-colonized nation so that we can carefully ascertain exactly which forces can be mobilized to realize the vision of a new African revolution. More of comrade brother George Jackson words are familiar to us. Quote, prisons are not institutionalized on such a massive scale by the people. Most people realize that crime is simply the result of a grossly disproportionate distribution of wealth and privilege, a reflection of the present state of property relations. And we must educate the
Starting point is 01:20:10 people and the real causes of economic crimes. They must be made to realize that even crime, of passion are the psychosocial effects of an economic order that was decadent a hundred years ago. All crime can be traced to objective socioeconomic conditions, socially productive or counterproductive activity. In all cases, it is determined by the economic system, the method of economic organization. End quote. Back to Yaqui. Many prisoners and many people outside the walls, many political prisoners and even some POWs have, we believe, not taken the interpretation of the above words far enough. We feel this way because many comrades have based many of their beliefs and positions
Starting point is 01:20:48 on the so-called inherent revolutionary capacity of Lumpin, on their understanding of the above-quoted statements. We tend to overlook the fact that Comrade George was making a broad analysis, describing objective factors and presenting a general ideological perspective. The grossly disproportionate distribution of wealth and privilege and the crime that results from it does not automatically make us revolutionaries. The real causes of crimes are not. necessarily, not of themselves, the causes of commitments to revolutionary struggle.
Starting point is 01:21:19 Objective economic conditions, the method of economic organization, are not of themselves factors which inspire and or cement conscious activity in revolutionary nationalist people's war. Comrade George described the objective set of conditions, the economic basis of crime, and he recognized that he had been objectively in rebellion all his life. But he also said he just didn't know it. He wasn't aware of his acts as being forms of rebellion. He wasn't conscious of himself as a victim of social injustice, and he wasn't consciously directing his actions toward the destruction of the enemy.
Starting point is 01:21:52 And comrades asked in the past, what is the difference between these mentalities? Primarily because it was hard to see the difference, and it had been assumed that there was no difference between the lumpin and the outlaw or the revolutionary. Some blood simply want the lumpin to be the outlaw, the revolutionary, and some say this is what George meant. George said that the revolutionary was a lawless man because revolution is illegal in America. Thus, the revolutionary, the outlaw and the lumpen, would make the revolution. Some bloods read revolutionary actuality into the potentiality alluded to by George in his analysis of the economic basis of crime. Quoting marks, The materialist doctrine that men are the products of circumstances and education,
Starting point is 01:22:32 that change men are therefore the products of other circumstances and of a different education, forgets that circumstances are in fact changed by men, and that the educator himself must be educated, end quote. quoting Mao. Marxist philosophy holds that the most important problem does not lie in understanding laws of the objective world and thus being able to explain it, but in applying the knowledge of these laws actively to change the world. Only social practice can be the criterion of truth, end quote. Back to back to Yaqui. In order for us to know Ali Aponte today as an Algerian revolutionary, he had to become politicized, consciously joining with the Algerian FLN and point his guns at the
Starting point is 01:23:13 enemies of the Algerian people. The employment of the skills he acquired and sharpened as a bandit continued to violate the law of the colonial state, but the difference was fundamental. Aponte's previous violations of the colonialist state law were violations of an individual for personal gain. But more important, they were seen even by him at that stage as true violations of the law because the law and the state that had upheld were still recognized by Aponte as being legitimate. He was a criminal because he still saw himself. He was a criminal because he still saw himself as a criminal within the definition of the practice of colonialist oppression. This is an aspect of the criminal and the colonial mentality, continued recognition and acceptance
Starting point is 01:23:53 of the legitimacy of colonial rule to continue to feel that the colonial state has a right to rule over the colonized. As long as we continue to see the oppressive state as legitimate ruler, even the circumstances and personal motives which push us toward crime continue to be isolated cases, presenting no danger to the foundations of the oppressive state and offering no benefits toward the struggle for independence and socialism. This criminal colonial mentality was similarly described by comrade's sister Asada Shakur. Quote, I am sad when I see what happens to women who lose their strength. They see themselves as bad children who expect to be punished because they have not in some way conform to the conduct required of good children in the opinion of prison guards. Therefore, when they are punished, they feel absolution has been dealt and they are again in the good graces of the guards. Approval has been given by the enemy, but the enemy is no longer recognized as an enemy. The enemy becomes the maternal figure patterning their lives. It's like a plantation in prison. You can see the need for a revolution, clearly. Before Comrade George met Marx and the
Starting point is 01:24:57 black guerrillas, his mentality was best characterized as criminal. It was only after he was redeemed that he was able to see himself as a victim of social injustice, that he was able to know that his past criminal acts had been an embryonic form of rebellion, had constituted a tendency and a potential for undermining the oppressive state's authority. Its prestige, the legitimacy of its law, and to ultimately overthrow it. To kill the prestige of the oppressive state is, first of all, to kill the image of his legitimacy in the minds of the people. To transform the criminal mentality and the colonial mentality into a revolutionary mentality
Starting point is 01:25:30 is to destroy within the minds of the people the sense of awe in which they hold the oppressive state. For Comrade George to become first the political prisoner and then the prisoner of war, he had to move beyond the mere understanding of the objective economic law and its relationship to crime. He had to begin applying his knowledge of revolutionary activity aimed toward changing the world, toward changing these objective economic laws and eradicating their effect upon the people. We know George today as a revolutionary because he educated himself and then went on to change existing circumstances. If we were to leave the objective analysis understanding
Starting point is 01:26:04 of the economic basis of crime and proceed no further, we end up legitimizing the dope pushers in our communities, the pimps and other backward reactionary elements who engage in such activity because of the circumstances caused by the present economic order. We can't continue to say, the devil made me do it. If we don't move beyond an explanation of objective socioeconomic conditions and consequently don't move beyond the acceptance of criminal activity on the part of the lumpen as somehow honorable and inherently revolutionary simply because they reflect the present state of property relations, what we will end up doing is condoning those relations in practice, if not in words.
Starting point is 01:26:41 We will end up accepting the ideology behind those relations as well. There is a scene, sequence in Battle of Algiers, where Ali Aponte, the ex-criminal, the revolutionary nationalist and member of the FLN, confronts lumpen criminal elements who are surviving the best way they know how, under the existing circumstances. Ali makes this confrontation in accordance with the FLN view that a weak and disorganized, demoralized, and diseased people cannot successfully attack and defeat the enemy. The pimps, dope pushers, and otherwise backward elements were asked, warned, encouraged to find
Starting point is 01:27:17 other means of survival, means which would be more in tune with the needs and direction of the people and the national liberation struggle. The backward elements refused, resisted the transformation of their mentalities, and thus placed themselves squarely in the path of the nation's progress. Ali Aponte responded to this refusal to this blocking of progress in national salvation with a short burst from his Thompson end quote so I don't know I found that to be incredibly fascinating to to go into the psychology of criminal potentiality right this this confusion that simply by being a criminal you are being revolutionary and what he's saying is there's a potentiality there but if not for education if not for giving it direction
Starting point is 01:28:02 if not for embedding it inside of a real revolutionary organization, that criminal lump and reactionary stuff comes to the surface and actually undermines revolutionary goals. So the distinctions and the nuances and the complexities, you know, marked out in that little passage, I think is really interesting. And again, fully and completely come out of Yaqui's engagement with Franz Fanon's Wretched of the Earth. So, yeah, that's my point of application. Allison? Totally. Yeah, no, that's really useful, actually. I think that distinction between rebellion and revolution also is so helpful for understanding how to look at, you know, forms of resistance that do exist and are really resisting, but aren't revolutionary and actually going to change things systemically.
Starting point is 01:28:46 And that's just a really useful heuristic for distinguishing those things, honestly. I found that really helpful. Now, I really want to read that book. Yeah, that's great. Awesome. All right. So that's about all that I have. Was there anything else that you wanted to cover or?
Starting point is 01:28:59 No, I'm good. We mentioned that the Sartra preface will be in our Patreon for this month. And then, yeah, next month we're just going to continue on this book. It's awesome. So thank you all so much for tuning in. We noticed a particularly long episode, but this is also a very dense and very, you know, wonderful text that needs to be wrestled with. And we hope that you'll bear with us as we do that with a little bit more detail.
Starting point is 01:29:20 So again, next month, we will be covering the next two chapters of this text. So go ahead and start reading up on those if you are interested in following along. And we also need to give a shout out to some of our patrons. real quick, who donate at an elevated level, who we incredibly appreciate and who's helped, you know, keeping this program going and making this something that, you know, we can devote this much time to is very helpful. So a quick shout out to Craig, Melody, Anton Ponecoek, Kansas Brad, Cosmic Explorer, and Jacob Sparks for all donating at an elevated level. We appreciate it so much. And this show in this episode is possible because of your help and support. So thank you
Starting point is 01:29:55 so much.

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.