Rev Left Radio - Hip Hop and Race Part 2

Episode Date: May 11, 2017

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Welcome to Revolutionary Left Radio. I'm your host and beloved comrade, Brett O'Shea. And this is going to be part two of our two-part episode. So we just released about a week ago, part one, of our episode on hip-hop and race. And this will be the second segment. You don't necessarily have to listen to part one to understand part two. It's all chopped up so you can listen to part two in isolation. You can listen to it in reverse order.

Whatever works for you. But we're sticking to the same format. So on this episode, we're also going to continue to use. the music from our guests as transition to different segments. So the music playing right now while I'm talking is from Articulate, and this is the song called Believers. The first transition song is going to be by our guest, Ria Gold, and that song is called The Switch Up.

Our third one is by Articulate again. It's called Rough, Rugged, and Raw. And then to take us out of this episode and this two-part series is going to be the song by Black Johnny Quest called Ron Burgundy. So please enjoy part two of race and hip-hop. I wanted to touch on some that we brought up at different points and I think it's really important about the idea of black people making music and suburban white kids picking it up.

And then I want to tie it in with what Nick was saying earlier about how the capitalist system co-ops, subversive movements, hip-hop in this example, and then markets it and profits off of it. So we had an episode of ideology a few episodes back and we discussed these things. so on one hand it's bad right one hand it's like by the capitalist class taking hip hop kind of defanging it making them a little less belligerent against the system like nWA and stuff all that stuff but they still profit off it and it's also true that a lot of suburban kids make up a large percentage of the consumption market that buys hip hop it's crazy man

you go to a festival predominantly white yeah mainly white kids right and which is crazy to me I think there's a bright side there's a silver lining in that cloud and that it allows white kids that are totally detached from the black experience to engage with the black experience for me personally growing up dead prez oh hell yeah they played a huge role in my political consciousness raising and hip hop generally um goody mob soul food that album i played that for two years straight in my car and that was instrumental in making my consciousness you know have an empathetic perspective towards the black community and that i want to hear more of black voices and yeah and that's what it's a double-edged sword because it's so important is that

some kid who fucking only has it doesn't have shit is listening to hip hop you know what I mean and then they got some like really great um really really great artists that to look up to but now you know like I mean this is a double-edged sword and don't get me wrong I like Eminem but now you got a white person you can look up to so here you got Eminem if I may piggyback they call him rap god you're not the rap god there's only one god his name is Rakimala so Eminem got respect because technically his skills were you know are impeccable and I think he acknowledged a couple times so with Eminem there is a line where he says if I was black I would have sold half and so he's recognizing something of his white privilege

and we shouldn't be giving cookies to this guy, you know, he's definitely an Elvis Presley type. And then it becomes an issue of like appropriation. And then here I am, right? White guy, I went to North High School. There was basically two white guys who could rap at North at that time. And this was pre-M&M. I was one of them. and so before m&m it was still kind of like the vanilla ice uh you know model like if you're rapping

people are going to be really looking at you skeptical and maybe calling you vanilla ice you better come correct but all exactly it was all just like a like an image basically yeah true and that what you're speaking to is how that how you differentiate is you know obviously you got to come correct so it's like you can correct you know what I mean and um but a lot of these guys they they don't come correct you know and Eminem I don't know Eminem I he might give a shit ton of money to Detroit schools you know like just like Jay Dillon shit so it's like that's amazing go great if he does that's cool if he doesn't but does he uplift black voices so but does he's like now he doesn't

man like now his is he making arena rap is that a product of him becoming successful having a lot of money and then becoming detached from the life that he would rap about initially yeah he ain't he's not poor anymore and then on top of that now he's white so I mean he's been white he's white oh my god he became a different kind of white so he became a different kind of way he became a more respected white right he's out of just like fucking Chapel's out of touch sometimes yeah he is in his new special that the first one

those are horrible it's like it's like it's not the 90s anymore he's making weird jokes about trans people yeah yeah and rape and like gay people like I'm gonna need you to chill yeah and like it was The second one was better, but the first one was true. I think there were some good jokes, and there were some fucked up jokes. And it was like jokes, rape jokes aren't jokes. Are never funny, ever. And you're not a fucking feminist.

And can we just say that dude, like, he went away and literally, like, hibernated and then came back and was still the same person from when he went into hibernation, and that's probably the problem. It's because, like, society has moved on. It's kind of, it's kind of, that's a yardstick. We kind of we could see Chappelle as like a yardstick for the social progress that we've made Because he wasn't he was the one making social projects He was a leading he was making and now he's and you know now it's like well Yeah exactly and like I think I think he'll be able to look back he's a very intelligent person where he'll be able to look back and be like That was a phase for me that was a phase

I fucked up I'm fucking coming back and like hopefully so hopefully you know because when he did the The black blind KKK member that It was pure gold. Brilliant. Social commentary on multiple levels. Yes. So many ways. He fucked up so many people's heads.

And then it did, it did too, like another double-edged sword, though, because it let white people think, get little too familiar sometimes with that, with that shit. With that Clayton Bigsbee shit. And he talks about it. He had white fans when he went to the South and would do tours after that would come up and play the Clayton Bigsby sort of, like, rehash lines. Where he uses the N-word. Yeah. So it's a white guy from Alabama saying, I like that Clayton Bidsby,

and then they'd say the line that had the N-word in it. And it was like, Dave Chappelle's like, what the fuck? Yeah, dude. What's your problem? So that's that double ed short. That's when he went into hibernation, and we can't fault the guy for that. Because I think he had a crisis of consciousness

about what role was he playing. Was he doing a fundamentally constructive thing for the black community and for people generally? Or was he actually perpetuating problems? I think he had a soul search. He was conflicted, man. And it's like, I don't blame him for that at all because that I mean to be on that kind of level and then to go through that that's that's that's a that's a big big hurdle in life I don't think you know most people really can't even handle it he handled it pretty gracefully except with the fucking tasteless joke study too well he's got a learning curve now you know but you guys like it's saying though it's an uphill balance learning every day if he if he if he's really who he says he is if like any normal person they're going to put up or shut up like me as far as being a male and I'm sure he's going to get a lot of backlash for that shit so if he listens

to what people are telling him and he takes that advice to go seek fucking help Dave Chappelle That's the biggest thing Ken is he goes that and that shows us You know that he's better And he's who we thought he was I think we could forgive it

If he comes if he comes out and says like I messed up I had I had feedback from my fans And from the society I'm gonna do better It's gonna be over it's gonna be good So what do you guys think talking about the cultural appropriation thing what do you guys think about Maclemore

because you talked about Eminem and you talked about but he talked about Eminem trying to to put in his lyrics you know if I was black I wanted this whole half Maclemore makes that whole song about it

but that doesn't hit the right key right everybody man and he exploits he exploited LGBTQ community I feel I feel he also exploited the black community and what did you with the profits from that song what did you donate to Black Lives Matter?

With the profits of that song, what did you, how much were the gospel choirs paid who sang that? And in the production of that song, who wrote the lyrics? Did you write them all yourself? Did you feel the need to write all this?

I mean, I think he gives a shit, but he cares. It's all coming back to himself, though, isn't it? Yeah, it's all for him. He cares about the wealth that is bringing him, and that's it. Exactly. I want to point out two things.

about Macklemore. One is nobody who's actually pro-black is that fucking positive all the time. He's so fucking positive. Right. Number two. Jump around and shit.

Like, nigger, we are not jumping. I'm like, no. Why are you jump? Would you celebrate, niggins? Shit. His own success. Yeah. It's like, hey, try. All right. So at least Eminem was like,

you know, cynical and And, you know, but number two. He was depressed and we believed him. He was an existentialist, right? He was on his side. My mom hated me. But also, when he performed, like, he performed at the Super Bowl. Am I correct on that?

Do you remember? And I watched that, and it looked like an absolute McDonald's commercial. It was gross. And he was so happy the whole time. And I'm thinking, well, at this. time at any time really how can you come on there and be so happy while you're doing black music while this and that and that which we don't even need that we could go into it for hours and days this and this and that is happening to black people how can you be that happy you shouldn't be

he's doing like this struggle-ass music with this big ass smile on his face yep right and it's different if talib kuali wants to do positivity in his music that's common or common or whatever but you know if you're white you really the dynamics kind of change it's free of gold look look I got this henny in my cup

couple swigs left hit the blunt spot a cop they like Ria hit this left bitch is lit tonight we floating smoking on kite guess what's next got a call from my bitch it's important we usually text bitch I seen yo nigga he was creeping

out the side though Kayla house, fleaky like my eyebrows. Niggas really think they're getting over, man to hell with them. Saying you the backbone, bitch, I am the shell of them. Keep a couple dolled up, bitches, we ain't telling though. Because I fuck with real niggas who do some real shit. Yo bitch is hard-headed, but it's still split. When a nigger give me the beans, I don't spell shit.

It's a nigger, disrespect, my squad gone bang. Get this money, can't fuck with niggas who fake and like the change. Swirb on holes, curving bitches, but I stay in my lane. I'll be cruising like a chola looking for a chain of claim. Am I any mix with cola, good Jesus, Rio the saint. I've been shooting high with ain't since shit ain't been the same. Can't compare me to another been paving my own way. Bitch, I got this, and I'm a drop shit as soon as niggas watching, I promise.

Gotta do it for London. Do it all for the fun of it. I'm the earth you the scum of it. Getting hot like an oven and cautious like it's abundant in it. Like trap queen ain't tracking me cause I'm running it I keep it real low ground level shit I ain't never been the type of bitch on the nigga dead do my own boss sad shit keep it call me Christmas re these bitches is spit and pee but I'm talking that real shit you may not be feeling me but bitch I know you feeling this drilling it fucking up they feelings with my little

click bitch get out your feelings you can't have these niggas you just out here popping pussy he just out here popping pistols I'll be out Mopping pussy bitches like you off the street free jeez got to eat ain't nobody I can't beat Bicking back I'm sipping tea and just mind in my own business won't catch me doing too much Ain't friendly to these bitches I hardly fucking niggas I just want a bunch of checks get the racks countin sacks Niggas cheesy call em mac if you stir them real good they turn pussy that's a fact it ain't never been a nigger that i want it back relax bitch i seen that nigger that you used to mess with said he's seen you on you're the only bitch he missed he regret the way he treated you

and wishes you the best and that's one thing I try to teach my wife to tell her about because she doesn't know racism right here and you know she was born and raised in Mexico City yeah she's lived here for almost two years now

and she moved here in July of 2015 and you know my whole thing is you know I want her to I just I just I'm so scared for her

every day it's like the environment totally different for her and she'll tell me certain things about where she works and she works way out west and like oh my God

she like Donald Trump and the whole election like I held my wife but she's scared you know what I mean and like um that's like the biggest

like it's like at this point like me being black like and this is what I kind of felt like too it's like white people like Donald Trump no

I think S&L did a sketch on that well shit the Chappelle shit perfect example but this is something like Ria and me and I mean you can relate to man

but it's just like indirectly indirectly but I mean being somebody who was never fucking a quarterback on the football team throwing balls and fucking with your letterman walking down the hallway fucking strutting your stuff a fucking a fucking piece of shit skateboarder kid man

who could rip a little bit yeah who got some balls you know what I mean but um you know oh yes we Donald Trump okay what about fucking Reagan what about fucking Clinton who fucking calls super predators all of them fucks Bush

every president ever before Barack Obama Yep Wow Absolutely Don't fucking talk to me About dumb ass Donald Trump I mean fuck him

And everything he stands for And he's part of the reason Well he's part of the reason Why anti-Semitism is up Why white people can say Think they can say crazy shit to you at the bus stop Yep And

And And people are still trying to touch my hair Like I fuck at all But I'm saying it's like this. Look, I'm saying. Excuse me? Because people are always trying to touch my hair, man. But for people of color, you had Trump after Trump after Trump.

It's all been Trump. It's all been Trump. It's just been a different form of it. I also think he's more belligerent about it. Whereas people that came before, like Reagan, they were snakes. They were smooth with how they did it. We're going to call this. We're going to call this dare. And we're going to get all these kids.

Meanwhile, we're going to funnel fucking drug money down in fucking through fucking Nicaragua, Franklin fucking 30th names and take all the drug money that's going around. Do you do Franklin cover-up scandals. That's a, you want to talk about some fuck shit? We can talk about the... That's a perfect example of living in one of the most segregated places in America.

Let's talk about the fuck shit, Alex. Okay. Well, you just said my government name on... So we're fine. Let's do it. We're talking about the fuck shit. Johnny. Good.

Sick is chicken pox, trick is cock. Chick-a-chick-out with tick rock. Yo, I'm bluff. Rugged it raw. You must wonder what for. Why go through the trouble to stay stuck under the trouble to stay stuck under the floor why not rap about guns that's tucked under my drawers for club of thug dumb fucks and drunk stumbling brawls i take your back to the paleolithic way before the mainstream or radio edit way before

aim street was played with so many whack rappers blasting out they rain lovers and jettists i'm talking ill-matic ill-communication ill-edelfth half-life but we'll consume the fake shit yeah call me the illy fanatic i really do have an envy to drop the gritty boom back shit so back your booty to that and have a hoot and annie I'll produce the Grammy Award, winning music to Mammy. And if you can't stand the grimy and gritty, then go gyrate to be ditty, you buy the new piggy. Because, yo, I'm bringing it rough, rugged, disgusting. Up, jump the boogie.

Now, just trust my judgment. Your blood trench, the bust open your bloodstream and scream. Fuck cream. I bust just for the rush then. Rugged it raw. Playing mistic cups, kick up dust with or without the big guns. Rup, rogating it raw. What?

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Chick as chick as cock. Chick as cock. Chicka chick out with tick drops. Ever since, brother Lynch, I've been down with this sickness. If you try to change me, I'm on budge an inch, bitch. It's the season and I'm feeding for that baby fetus. I eat kids before they even learn the ABC's yet. It may seem that I'm an atheist and crazed demon, but they got stories were the same things that made demon.

Hansel and Gretto, dance with the devil. I stab you with the neck with a black. with a neck with a black stiletto i got the red rum flow that make world cold to be fight for offensive vocal articulate coming to quit ready to rip guts read a whole book on the murder rhetoric right about now a lot up a live crowd with 5005 styles of prodigial child down to elevate the battleground deep and out of town i got the most i mean sadly i'm a non-violent person but like i'm not gonna just dude there's there's what has to be a point where you just you need to fuck off like you either got to get with the program or you're going to get ran over yeah and it's

you know I think with the way the world's headed I mean you I'm not going to put up with it I'm not going to put up with people who fucking touch my area especially women and that's what's rough too like and the thing is it's like I love women don't get me wrong like it's all love you know I consider myself an intersectional feminist but shit is like as a black man I got I'm not scared do not is and you're a white woman no that's if you say any

if I step on your if I walk by you wrong I can go to prison for the I can get killed don't fucking come near me what was his name Emmett Till Emmett Till he was a perfect example and you I still am haunted by that

woman's face she looked like the fucking crazy evil Russian lady on Rocky and Bullwinkle the woman that that accused Emmett Till How old was, how old was Emmett Till? 11, 11, 12, 13. I thought he was 13.

Something very young. And he was accused of whistling at a white woman. And he was executed. In this country, the land of the free, quote unquote. Yeah. And the woman said that she, so there's something that just came out. No, yes, she recanted. At I think she was like 89 or something like that.

It came out recently, but it was from an earlier. yeah she recanted and actually there's an interview I remember watching this is when I decided not to be afraid of the Ku Klux Klan because the first time I got was actually afraid of it is when I was learning about it from my mom they had to explain it to me they had to explain it that's what she kept saying I have to tell you that I'm sorry and then when I saw the Cohen's brothers film old brother Rathau and then I love that movie and then And, yeah, so I was learning about him until I watched an interview of a white man sit or stand in a tree area with his friends and say, yeah, I killed that little boy. Whoa.

I killed him. They admitted to it. On camera. Yeah. Wow. Now, there's a long, profound history of lynching black bodies and executing black people in this society. in Omaha, and it reverberates in the deaths, these recent police killings of folks like, you know, Trayvon Martin, and especially Michael Brown. He was, he was, Michael Brown was killed in the middle of the street.

He was left there for four hours without being covered up. That's not police protocol. That's sending a message. And that is in the lineage of abusing and destroying black bodies in this country. And that's also what you do in a war zone as well, too. When you go to somewhere and you want to strike fear, when you're a new point, police force or if you're if you're forced when you're heading into a military area military zone you you shock and awe so to speak so let's let's let's get let's give

them an example the that's what you do if you're even if you're if you're if you're a night of the realm I mean you would fucking show an example like that's what gangs do that's what that's what ISIS does when they head people on video yeah it's just the same exact thing psychology yeah and it's mental psychology it's man like to just be on the street And if you saw the photos from where everybody was and see all little kids, it wasn't, it wasn't that many adults to see all the little children out there, seeing, you know, what is a man looking up like this with his feet up and just laid out.

I went there two months afterwards. And I just happened to be going through the area. So I made that a stop on our road trip. and I went to the spot wife and son and I went there there was a guy there shooting photographs who I'm sure was undercover

that was kind of the center point that's Florence and Normandy of the modern era and I went there and I saw the bloodstains in the street and I went to the bloodstains and I saw the signs

and the teddy bears and the candles and all that and I talked to some of the like neighbors like his friends that were like just kind of hanging out there and i talked to him and they said this has been going on for a long time it wasn't just mike yeah he said this has been going on for a long time there man you could feel you could you could you could cut there was something that is in you know in air the air the it was death tense you could cut it like yes death was in the air Death is in there all over this country, though. I mean, you know, you said earlier you wanted to talk to on, like,

what's, are we hopeful? I'm hopeful every day because, I mean, I'm hopeful anytime I see my friends' babies, I'm hopeful anytime I hear good things, and I'm hopeful when my friends aren't getting arrested and getting out of jail, I'm comfortable when my friends are teaching younger kids about white supremacy in school, you know, And when they're schooling these little kids, too, that's my shit right there. Fucking punks think they're smart.

And, but, you know, I'm hopeful, but, I mean, there's a real, real problem here. And it's going to get Berkeley's just to start. And Michael Brown is just the start. These things never left. Motherfuckers just got camera phones. Exactly. We, dude, I was driving, I was getting pulled over all the time on the storm. I was getting pulled over all the time in Swarthmore with my friends.

all doing and I've gotten in a police chase before gotten away in a good job other time I didn't oh I almost got in trouble

I thought I was congrats yeah I did get away I swear to God that shit was lit we got away clean away they didn't even know what to do

because when you got down in the neighborhood it must have been a rookie cop because he was fucking lost man we were on Martha going wild and I was on the south side of time and but you know

I am hopeful I'm hopeful for these these kids it's going to be these kids and it's going to be I mean it's going to be just it's going to be mostly up to the parents I mean it's white people

what you can do you can check your friends when no black people are around you can check yourself you can read more read more about our plight you can

I mean there's books are everywhere Ask questions. Ask your black friends questions respectfully. And listen. Don't get your ass to be. And listen. And don't accept being wrong.

Except that you do not get to define racism in America. Because in some way or form another, you perpetuated. You may not see that. And I don't mean to group everybody together, but that's what the facts are. If you really do want to know about how you can get involved and get active, start asking questions go go don't tell your kids that it's uh dangerous to go east of certain part of town um take your go to go to go to go to north omaha go to south omaha go eat eat at the local restaurants culture yourself yeah being a being a revolutionary is not just going out

under the streets is not just protesting being a revolutionary is revolutionizing your space exactly the the family and friend circles that you walk in that's true for being a feminist that's true for a white ally that's true for being a decent human being and i think that's one thing i can relate like what as far as to intersectional feminist for such a long time um i mean me myself i was a victim of of white supremacy and page male patriarchy and white male patriarchy and you know controlled um system by even by the way that i would um objectify women and you know it took me a long time I didn't want to see I didn't want to see myself this like I don't know I'm I'm nice to girls no I'm a fucking prick like me too you know what I mean like it took me a long time to

get that to understand how how toxic being a man and not giving um you're not giving another human who may be a different gender than you the proper respect they deserve and um it wasn't it wasn't hip-hop's fault it wasn't my parents fault it was my parents fault it was my fault and my mom taught me how to you know treat a woman my dad taught me how to treat a woman i remember i threw sand at a girl i was five years old i had to go apologize i hit her i smacked her yeah because she took my toy we were i was five years old i don't do this anymore guys a long time ago it was a long time ago all right um but no this and it's not to make a fun of um you know of course of course but um uh you know my father took me back i had to go apologize to

girl but then something happened when i turned uh when i turned in maybe sixth grade you know actually i remember before i actually uh i was a fucking second third second grade or something and i had to go apologize to her parents oh my god it was the most think of like watching every sex scene ever ever in America in any film with your parents having to sit through it all think about watching a porno

with your mom and dad there that's fucked up right that's how bad it was to like I had to go back in like Apollo most embarrassed I've ever been in my life but you learn from it

I learned from that but still no not yet I was only in second grade but okay so I know obviously don't do that but like this older kid this white kid named Trevor this older kid

she'll give show her your balls dude no And he he I did it because I wanted to be cool I was a young kid he's fucking like literally 14 or 13 years old And I was like in third grade or second or third grade and but um so there's that part then fast forward I'm with um I'm in high school and I'm seeing these guys talk about uh women and then um you know you're when I was a kid I wanted to have sex you know what I mean when I was younger I was like man I wonder what that's like and I wanted to do it and And then I'm all around all these fucking guys.

And they just talk like fucking idiots. And I've been, I've been verbally rude to women. I've cat called women. I've been aggressive towards women. And I've said disgusting, hideous things towards women. And, you know, and then going back and speaking with the women that I've done that to and they're hearing their experience and how it shocked me. and you know but also I had a lot of great women to teach me what I was doing they would call me

out they would say things to me but instead of me thinking that because I would look at it like well I'm black I want these white people to listen to me well this woman wants men to listen to her why can't I do that and that's what kind of started sparked me wanting to be a better person as far as how I treat other people I mean I got to tell you I'm coming from a Catholic household Like, I, I'm, I'm a Catholic. And that, do you think that played a role in your moral evolution? It made me more empathetic than religion did. It made me want to, because I argued it as, like, man, this nigga Jesus is cool.

Like, you know, like, you know what I mean? Like, this dude fucking kicked it with lepers, whores, drug dealers, scumbags. Sex workers. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Well, horrors are like male in people. And the Bible translation is not kind. progressive in any way yeah i'm sorry but um but but listen at the time sex workers sex workers there's all the different types of horrible i'm sorry i watch too much

red park boys and i i shouldn't do that um but it's fitting because you're talking about your growth man yeah but so i went from this this this prepubescent piece of shit and i'm talking i'm 21 um all i wanted to do was look at girls and do things like that and try to talk to women and like I would be dude I would literally I would know you know I'm not a weird sicko and stuff like that but I did not care about the stuff I was saying to girls I would say stuff to him to try to get to have sex with them so you were young minded right yeah but I mean I wasn't trying to build a relationship with this woman I was trying to fornicate with her and then like be a fuck buddy or something like that and then but like that how a lot of men are

like yeah and I had to break into that and like to be and there's the deceit of about pretending that you're going for a relationship when you're really going for that. Right. See, like now you got to watch out for dudes who fucking act like they're fucking feminist just to get it.

It's a thing now. That's a fucking disgusting, disgusting, it's so gross. Like, like, you couldn't be more anti-feminist. Yeah. Right. And, and, and then, and oh my God.

It's just, it's like you're just praying on the joke. Like, you know. Yeah, and it's, and now I'm so, I have so many great women in my life that are teachers in this city. black women like rhea and rickie or imagine and all these other amazing white women latina x um all the different different people we're like activists in our own little way well you are

because you're the way you guys speak and the respect that you demand on a personal level on your day to day is the exact same thing that an intersectional human being wants on a grand level for everybody. So you are a great example of what we want to have for our community and for our children and for our future, just like how Brett you are, what you're doing and how you carry yourself in the fucking street and what you stand up for every day and what you do. That's exactly what we want to reflect on a national level. You're doing it on a personal level.

You are being your higher self, you know? Exactly that. But it's the same with, you know, Nick. and the thing I try to do with either my music or I want to talk about who I am and who I am as a person and I want to put that because I feel like everybody should have

their own piece of that and everybody wants that on a bigger level so it's like we are you know a lot of people say you should need to be at this fucking act like dude no you don't because that's what they're out there for they're out there for the people the workers and the people who can't be there

the people who are in wheelchairs who are too scared to go out to their house who have too much on their plate for you and your daughter so so they're out there for us you know what i mean and it's like and that's what i'm saying so everybody has their own role exactly right yeah exactly there's too much of this fuck boy shit going on where you're like nitpicky where there's in me or fuck you yeah be like me or fuck you bro we got we got we're yeah yeah originality exactly contradictions it is and and now we're you know it's finally it's really great is now the lines are starting to really get drawn and it's very very very and the internet has helped that a lot a lot because that gave voice to people who never had voices historically and so we're talking to each other for the first time in human history in a real way so i'm gonna we're gonna wrap it up here um i just want to say before we wrap it up i love you all this has been like a four-hour marathon conversation i feel like i fucking just got so much off my chest i feel like yeah so just ending in on this note is there anything that you guys could recommend to anybody interested in racism or anybody interested in hip hop even if you just recommend your own work that people can

go check out after they end this episode oh yeah uh shoot well i just want to say a couple things you can watch uh black power mixtape i am not your negro um you can watch also watch um hidden colors one don't watch any other than that um because some of them started to get a little hot tapy fuck that listen to miles davis listen to jazz music listen to uh um you know check out uh I would say James Baldwin. I would say read 100 years of solitude. Fuck with some marks, maybe. Definitely.

Let's see. I think that's it, except listen to hip-hop all the time. Oh, is there an album? Oh, Saul Williams. Yeah, I listen to Saul Williams. My favorite rapper is MF Doom. So listen to anything. Oh, no, no, never mind.

I'm talking about it. I can say some stuff, too. listening to articulate he's great very problematic in my early age I'll go ahead Nick any recommendations all right so for scholarly stuff

if you want to do the academic route can't stop won't stop by Chang is the author's name that's kind of like the I don't know the Bible of the history of hip hop

if you want to go that route that would be a good starting point if you want to do like kind of a more fun natured a little more just kind of like a nice narrative that's kind of easy on the eyes

the get down on Netflix which is new and super well done now they're going to turn the story of the birth of hip hop into a kind of theatrical presentation. It's like a musical. They actually go into song and dance. But the story that they tell, the way they tell it, and the, all the visual aesthetics and

everything. OG certified. Super, yes. O.G. Certified. Cool Hurt gave it permission. Yep. The godfather's grandmasters. They said they gave it, they gave it the go ahead so you can put the, oh, but go on top of that scratch. You should definitely watch the film, the documentary Scratch. You should learn about the five elements of hip-hop, which are rapping, DJing, breaking, graffiti, and knowledge and understanding being the most important. I was going to say some other books. Yeah, so it's like that. And then, Rhea, do you have any recommendations?

While we're talking about Netflix, I feel like you guys should watch Deidre and Laini Rabatrain. It's about two young black girls, their mom went crazy and went to prison, and Deidre was the older sister in high school getting ready to be like valedictorian and all kinds of shit like she had her her shit together

basically and she kind of lost her shit when her mom went to prison so she had to take care of her autistic brother, younger brother and her middle sister which she was going through her own shit you know so it's just a really good like intersectional type of movie

and I feel like a lot of black people and young people and you know it just hits home for a lot of people so I feel like that would be a good movie to watch if you're looking for a movie to watch and if you haven't listened to

Siza's album Zee you need to listen to it and Ria Gold's music. Oh yeah and Ria Gold I do music too. I'm on SoundCloud at Ria Gold or www. soundcloud.com slash one goldy world and you can follow me on

Snapchat at Goldie Fruit Cup. And my Instagram is spicy, feisty, Pisces. There you go. I was going to say documentary is really good is 13th. Yep. That's fantastic. Must watch. A really good thing to look into, I think, is just getting into American history, too.

Learn about the past so you can see what's going on in the future. There's tons. I would definitely read it about Reaganomics and Reagan era laws that were passed. and how they had, how they continued, you know, the control of the masses through the guise of white patriarchy, through the guys of the government, but it's really white patriarchy. Also, my name is Black Johnny Quest. I make rap music about life and being a son of a gun.

You can get my music at records at MakebelieveRecordings.com, or you can sound cloud, or you can just Google Black Johnny Quest without the H. J-O-N-N-Y, like the 1960s cartoon, except I'm not as racist and stereotypical. Anything, you want to shout out before we go? Any of your music? I just had to actually scrub my SoundCloud because some kids found it

and working with kids that's not necessarily good when you have things from when you were 22. So literally, like, five days ago, I scrubbed my sound cloud. Scrubed it down. Scrubbed it down. But you can go on Spotify.

I don't know if they found me on Spotify yet. But, yeah, Spotify, Articulate. And there's an articulate from Baltimore, who is not me. He's not as good as me, even. Of course not. I got two albums on there, and you could go on to YouTube, type in 365 to India, and you're going to find, like, a whole bunch of stuff that I made a couple years back. low-fi style from my basement

Steve. It's real hip-hop though, you know. Hey, thank you. Yeah. Yeah, it's that real shit. It's that old real shit. All right. Well, thank you guys so much. This has been amazing. This allows me to have conversations we always wanted to have. Your perspectives are so important and wonderful, and I hope as many people possible listen to this. So, thanks everybody to listening, and we'll see you next time. Yeah. Thank you, Brett. Hey, man, we got to do this. I want to do some crazy stuff. Midtown.

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