Rev Left Radio - The Guillotine, Episode 2: GOP Tax Bill, Net Neutrality, Police Brutality, and the Informal Anarchist Federation

Episode Date: December 20, 2017

THIS IS THE LAST TIME AN EPISODE OF THE GUILLOTINE WILL BE AIRED ON REVOLUTIONARY LEFT RADIO. You can find The Guillotine podcast here: http://theguillotinepodcast.libsyn.com Subscribe to us on iTun...es and Stitcher.  Follow us on twitter: @GuillotinePod Support The Guillotine here: https://www.patreon.com/TheGuillotine Follow us on FB here: https://www.facebook.com/TheGuillotinePodcast/   On episode two of The Guillotine, Dr. Bones from the Conjure House and Brett from Revolutionary Left Radio discuss the new GOP tax bill, the FCC decision to dismantle Net Neutrality, the murder of Daniel Shaver and the acquittal of Phillip Brailsford, and the Santiago Maldonado Cell of the Informal Anarchist Federation. We also take live calls from listeners.  Our intro music is "Our Words" off the album "Nihilismo" by Sole and DJ Pain 1, you can find their music here: https://sole.bandcamp.com/album/sole-dj-pain-1-nihilismo Out outro music is "The Guillotine" by The String-Bo String Duo, you can find their music here: https://tsbsd.bandcamp.com/releases 

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello everyone, welcome to Revolutionary Left Radio. This is Brett O'Shea, and I'm just coming at you today to let you know that we're going to air the second episode of our spin-off podcast, The Geotene. We've aired episode one and episode two here on RevLeft Radio, just to try to get people who like RevLeft Radio to be aware of the existence of the guillotine and to move them over to follow and subscribe to the guillotine on all the normal channels because the guillotine and RevLeft Radio are two totally different. separate podcasts. They're sister podcasts. We got the idea as a spinoff from this podcast, but no more guillotine episodes will be released on Revolutionary Left Radio. In 2018, we're going to start a formula where we do the regular four interviews a month for RevLeft Radio, and then over at the guillotine, we're going to put out two episodes a month. The differences between Rev. Left Radio and the guillotine are that Rev. Left Radio focuses on interviews, focuses on theory, and
Starting point is 00:00:57 focuses on history. The guillotine is me and co-host Dr. Bones talking and analyzing current events and then taking live calls. So it's really a complimentary podcast to this one. This one will give you a lot of the philosophy and a lot of the high level intellectual stuff. This other podcast is meant to keep you updated on what's going on in the news and we really aim to incite and inspire and motivate people over there, hit them in the heart a little more than we do here at Rev Left, which is aimed more at your mind. So again, we're going to air episode two of the guillotine right now, but this is the last time that the guillotine will be aired on Revileft Radio.
Starting point is 00:01:35 So if you like this episode, if you like what we're doing over at the guillotine, please go follow us on Twitter at at guillotine pod. Follow us on Facebook at the guillotine. You can just search us. You can support it on Patreon, patreon.com backslash the guillotine. And then also we have guillotine Libson hosting site. and then we have an RSS feed, so you should be able to start subscribing to the guillotine on Stitcher, various podcast apps, as well as be able to listen to us on iTunes and rate and review us on iTunes
Starting point is 00:02:04 to increase our reach there. So I just wanted to give everybody a heads up. This is the last time you're going to hear the guillotine unless you go over and follow us on our other pages and subscribe to the guillotine as a second separate podcast. I'm really excited about the future of the guillotine, so here is episode two of the guillotine. When the angry brigades have all been pacified and each death has been
Starting point is 00:02:29 quantified, they'll cook the books and swallow the figures. I'll catch you in the next life. Man, they thought you were fuel. And when they smelled blood, they thought they were calling the cops, but they threw it to the wolves. To answer the questions, everyone's asking
Starting point is 00:02:47 our words are on everyone's lips. We may not speak the same language, but our words are on everyone. lips to answer the questions everyone's asking our words are on everyone's lips we may not speak the same language but our words are on everyone's lips good greetings and salutations everyone thank you for tuning in to our second episode of the guillotine yes yes welcome to the the geotene second episode live stream still working through some of the kinks and everything like that i'm dr bones you're uh rabidly rabidly insurrectionary favorite conjurer hoodoo man egoist all sorts
Starting point is 00:03:36 of fun stuff and as always i have my wonderful wonderful host out from the primal empty wastelands of those states that are like vaguely square shaped i'm not really sure where it's at it's a general sort of line out there i mean i believe he exists in a real place. But anywho, Brett from Rev Left Radio. How are you doing, Brett? Hello, everybody. I'm doing very well. Since this is our first live stream, if people can just tweet at our guillotine pod Twitter address and let us know that they're hearing us, or if they can't hear us, anything, that'd be awesome just to give us a little in real time checkups. But yeah, I'm doing really good. I'm excited to do this episode number two. This whole live stream
Starting point is 00:04:13 process is pretty nerve-wracking, but I'm excited to jump into it. Absolutely. We got a huge response and we definitely want to thank all you folks that were there for our first episode. You know, it's been a process. We've got some amazing feedback from you guys and it definitely feels like we're getting the message out and definitely creating content
Starting point is 00:04:33 and hearing you guys talk to us and hearing some of your concerns and everything like that. It's been a great, great process. So, without further ado, let's start talking about how the wonderful, wonderful capitalist world is fucking each and every one
Starting point is 00:04:49 of you. Brett, I think you want to open this up. Let's do it. So this week, the Republicans have come together and they've agreed on the final version of their tax bill, a tax reform bill that GOP leaders have said for years that they've wanted, one that simplifies the tax code that doesn't add to the deficit and one that is fundamentally fair. Just kidding, of course, it's the exact opposite of all of those things. This 1100-page tax bill is a ruthless attack on the working class that seeks to transfer over almost two trillion. Almost two-true. trillion over to large corporations and the ultra-rich. It's full of loopholes and caveats and sneaky giveaways added in by lobbyists and corporatists meant to appease all segments of the
Starting point is 00:05:31 donor class. It dramatically increases the deficit by $1.5 trillion as it extracts hundreds of billions of dollars a year out of the public sector and funnels it into the pockets of the ruling class elites. It reduces corporate tax rates from 35% to 21% and, and, you know, and And, oddly enough, it has a bunch of provisions relating to real estate that will, out of total coincidence, of course, end up benefiting Donald Trump and many high-level congressional Republicans personally. For example, you don't say. I don't say. For example, one provision allows real estate developers who own buildings through LLCs, as Trump does, to deduct 20% of the income that those properties generate. To qualify for this tax break, the properties have to be relatively newer ones that haven't been fully depressive.
Starting point is 00:06:19 appreciated. Quote, this helps people who have held property for a while, like Donald Trump, unquote, David Kamen, a law professor at New York University told the International Business Times recently. This bill also annihilates the mandate for the liberal bandaid on the proverbial broken leg known as the Affordable Health Care Act, which, in effect, will increase the cost of health care and make it much more difficult to obtain, specifically for sick people. It's a sneaky way of Trojan horsing in an attack on health care reform under the guise of a tax bill. It also takes away a tax deduction aimed at helping married people with a nice little interesting caveat that exempts married couples who happen to own sports franchises. The Wall Street Journal cited a top GOP aide who said of this caveat that, quote,
Starting point is 00:07:05 it preserves the ability to use the tax-exempt bonds for professional sports stadium bonds, a priority for Mr. Trump, unquote. Ah, well, at least all of our married friends who own sports teams will be just fine. Yeah, all of them. This tax bill, which again is over 1,100 pages, is being pushed through extremely quickly so as to ensure the fewest amount of Americans possible will be able to read and learn about it. They are aiming to vote on the bill, which seems almost certain to pass sometime this week. The Senate version of the bill was passed in the middle of the night while most Americans were asleep, and this final version was announced on Friday evening, which is a well-eastern.
Starting point is 00:07:43 which is well known as the primary time to dump bad news so as to reach the least amount of people as possible. They do not want you to know what this bill is going to do to you. And in addition to being sneaky fucking rats about it, they deploy their army of PR people ranging from shitty Fox News pundits to the president himself, who is pitching this bill as, quote, a Christmas present for the middle class, unquote. Whether Trump is too incompetent to understand the bill or just cynically providing cover for it is neither here nor there.
Starting point is 00:08:12 He would support it either way. The guy who ran on draining the swamp, bringing back jobs, and standing up against the establishment is just as much of a gleeful fucking mascot for the ruling class as we all knew he would be. The logic being used to defend this bill is the logic of the thoroughly debunked mythology of trickle-down economics. By giving the rich and powerful more money, the fairy tale goes, these benevolent overlords will hire more of us peasants. Ah, yes, the benefits of this massive wealth transfer. will surely trickle down upon us all. Not unlike Piss
Starting point is 00:08:46 pushed feebly through the swollen prostate choked tubes and out of the sad flaccid cocks of old white men in suits. But we all know what this really is. It's the looting and plundering of the working class and the handing over of massive amounts of wealth to the
Starting point is 00:09:04 ruling class. This is class war. And this is the sneaky, polished, and disorienting way that it's carried out under bourgeois so-called democracy. It's the improved cleverness of slave masters, colonizers, and corporate vampires. It's packaged neatly in the wrapping of technocratic policy language and obscurantism, but it's the same old capitalist scam, one we've had shoved down our throats a million times before. The only thing that separates this wealth transfer from earlier ones is the boldness
Starting point is 00:09:33 of it. It seems like our rulers have stopped even pretending to give a fuck what we think. They know that our political system is such an entrenched dictatorship that the opinions of the masses are more meaningless today than they've ever been. This bill has only around 30% support, virtually all of it coming from the brainwashed zombies who listen to millionaires lie to them on Fox News and conservative talk radio all day. But they wouldn't give a shit if it only had 3% support. They would bash us over the head with it regardless because it serves the interests of the bourgeoisie. And those are the only people who really matter. But here's the most important thing that I really want you to remember and take away from this. Mark my words on this.
Starting point is 00:10:14 Once the vampires have passed this tax bill and almost $2 trillion is extracted from government revenue streams and people have moved on and accepted this defeat, these fucking scumbags will come back in around a year with their very serious faces and their briefcases and all of their policy papers and they will give you that look that your parents used to give you as a kid when they couldn't afford to buy you that new bike for Christmas and they'll adjust their ties and they will tell you in somber tones that we're really sorry but facts are facts and we just don't have the money to afford Medicare and Social Security anymore. These programs are going to have to be privatized because the deficit is just too big and they after all are the party
Starting point is 00:10:56 of fiscal responsibility. There is just no other way. It must be done. But don't worry, your Grandma will be given the highest quality cat food to eat in her old age, and the increasing amount of old people living on the streets and sleeping under bridges is just a result of them refusing to pull on those bootstraps hard enough. Sorry, folks, but this is just the cost to do in business. Now stand up, put your hand over your heart, and repeat after me. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,
Starting point is 00:11:27 one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and joy. justice for all. Close curtain. God damn. Well, son of a bitch. Now, where to start tap it into that? I mean, folks, let's be real about this.
Starting point is 00:11:45 We all know, we all know what happened. I think all of us know that yet again, the American people have been bent over the counter and fucked. What makes this so unique,
Starting point is 00:12:01 What makes it so special, and which even Trump is calling this a once-in-a-generation opportunity, is we are looking at an entire restructuring of the American economy. Now, there's one part of this whole tax bill that really stuck out to me, that which I noticed was very, very downplayed in the medium. And that is the 100% elimination of the inheritance tax. all okay so no matter how many millions billions whatever you make that money will never ever be touched by the united states government what that does in effect is turn the united states into the largest and most well-armed tax haven for the world's wealthy you see that's the game a lot of times we look at the republicans or we look at our enemies and the bourgeoisie and we think
Starting point is 00:12:58 these people have just got to be fucking off the rock or they they must not understand how the world works but that's not necessarily true they're very aware how the world works and in their mind they want to create a united states where the wealthy are free to do whatever they want the world's wealthy they want the united states to be the new london right they want to be able to have all these people living in fancy neighborhoods with purified air and everything like that they want all the wealth to come here, and they want all the wealthy to know that you and your kids will never, ever touch their fucking money. And where does that leave you? Well, if any of you are near a computer, I would highly, highly suggest you Google search maybe some pictures of some
Starting point is 00:13:43 shanty towns. Maybe you and your loved ones could start thinking of construction ideas and how exactly you want your roof to slant. Maybe a potted plant grown out of maybe like a two-liter bottle. to add a little bit of flair, a little bit of class, because that's the future that's running towards us. Now, I live in Florida. I know some people that live in the Bahamas, which is another sort of like tax haven. And these people live next to these resorts where American tourists go and spend hundreds, hundreds dollars. The places are huge. They have fences and everything like that. And they're living in terrible conditions. And they have to stand there and treat these people like they're kings and queens because that's the only way to make money.
Starting point is 00:14:27 So God help us if the United States in totality turns into some Godforsaken fucking tourist end where all of us are just merely service employees for the wonderful, wonderful wealthy of the world. Yeah, this is fucking terrible. This is fucking terrible. It'll probably pass. And I think all of us have got to understand that, you know, this is real, folks. We're getting into some shit where the majority of the world that you and I know is being
Starting point is 00:14:51 stripped mined from us in ways that we can. can barely even imagine. Yeah, and that's, you know, asset stripping, looting, plundering. These are, this is not hyperbole. I'm talking about them attacking social security, increasing the homelessness of old folks. This is not hyperbole. We already are living in a context in which wealth inequality is as bad as it's ever been in the modern period. It's already terrible. It's worse than, uh, I think there was one study. It's actually worse than the Roman Empire. Yeah. We, we, this, our lives are such shit. We are rivaling the rest of history It's a little poetic irony there that we're kind of mirroring the sort of decline of the Roman Empire.
Starting point is 00:15:29 The American Empire is in decline. The ruling class knows it is. The liberals want to manage that decline, and the Republicans want to loot and plunder and asset strip everything they can from it in the meantime. You know, I was looking at some numbers and some estimates, you know, the conservative estimate for this tax bill is $1.5 trillion over 10 years being transferred to the ultra rich. I looked at some numbers and it was about $1.2 trillion to eradicate all student debt in the country. Imagine what that would do to take away all. I have $60,000 in debt myself to just wipe that away how much that would free up working young people. The other thing would be about $1.4 trillion to implement universal health care in this country.
Starting point is 00:16:12 So the amount of money being taken away from the public sector and given to the private sector, the ultra-rich in the corporations, that money could have been used to do those two huge things that need to happen. And before we move on, I want to, I told this on my Facebook page, but I want to tell this story of I was at work the other day. I walked down into the cafeteria during lunchtime, and they always have a TV playing, and this time the TV was on MSNBC News. And they were talking about this tax bill, and there's a couple old ladies sitting at a table looking up watching this TV.
Starting point is 00:16:44 One of the old ladies, I could audibly hear her saying, I don't understand. like what is like leaning over to the lady next to her like what are they doing here like what's this tax bill about and the other lady just kind of like you know ignored her and kept eating like i don't know i shrugged her shoulders and this lady just kept looking really intently and then MSNBC you know this bastion of liberal news brought on this talking head guy this you know pale thumb of a human being with no differentiating unique qualities or features about them whatsoever you know these centrist that they they lead on they parade on and off the television he sits there and he just he proceeds to give the normal trickle-down economic argument He covers it in technocratic language and talks about how it's really going to help the working class and all this stuff. And this poor lady starts nodding her head, affirming, and I can only assume accepting what this fucking vampire is framing and twisting and shoving down her throat. I failed as a radical. And some of my friends have called me out, like you should have went up and talked to her. It was an awkward situation. I'm at work.
Starting point is 00:17:41 She's having lunch. I'm just walking by. But that's my fault. My own awkwardness and sort of not wanting to be conferencing. Or to step into somebody else's business, that should not have stopped me from stepping in and saying, hey, that fucking guy is lying to you. Here's the real deal. I failed in that moment. And I vowed to myself not to fail in those moments again. But this is the sort of, you know, what confused, disoriented working people are getting fed to them. And a lot of them are buying it. And it's super sad. And it's heartbreaking. well don't worry because um again and let's let's silver lining here folks um if you're a radical okay you you ladies and gentlemen we we are watching the demolition charges be slowly placed on the american economy and lifestyle we're watching it happen okay you can see this tax plan
Starting point is 00:18:31 start to manifest and you know you know these motherfuckers are going to be pretty much just destroying the average sort of quality of life that you're normal, everyday average American has gotten used to. And there is a revolutionary opportunity because especially being the heart of the empire, you know, Americans have gotten used to a certain amount of life. We don't expect our power to be off. We expect to be well fed. We expect to be able to do the things we want to do, live the way we want to live generally. As long as we have all these things, your average American seems plenty complacent. But when those things start to go away, okay,
Starting point is 00:19:12 when the people start having their power turned off, when the meals start to become harder and harder to find, when the depression and the anxiety starts to stead in, and people are fighting for jobs, and you're living in a neighborhood that your family is afraid to visit, it's the only thing you can afford to live in, when that existence becomes whole. sale and spreads out over the country. You are going to have people that are so desperate and so
Starting point is 00:19:41 worried, they are going to be willing to start thinking about change. And that is the time. That is the time that you and I and everyone listening to this right now needs to be there. We need to be that voice before anybody else. Because a lot of people, when they're put in those dangerous situations, when it's your kids about to be on the street and your stomach that's empty, you'll hear a lot of people's opinions. And you may give some ideas a second thought that you thought you never would have. It's no coincidence that Hitler took power right after Germany was militarily and economically in the shitter. That's what we got to watch for. And it's coming. So, folks, we have a revolutionary opportunity. Take this moment as a lesson.
Starting point is 00:20:26 Start preparing yourself. Maybe start thinking up some arguments. Start thinking out ways that maybe you can start making people aware. And, of course, also get your friends and your family situated and prepared because, again, we're coming towards a gigantic shitstorm. So, but moving on on another gigantic pile of shit, let's get to the off-discussed net neutrality.
Starting point is 00:20:50 Last week, the FCC in a move that, no doubt, okay, is pleasing to the hordes and hordes of bourgeoisie that are just in line with this tax plan. The FCC is moving to remove the legislative protections we have commonly referred to as net neutrality. Now, while not yet set in stone, let's be very clear, it is not a death knell, there is still a chance. It looks to be everything's going to be passed. And once it does, all of us will be looking at higher prices depending on what sites you visit, how often. And yes, folks, yes, even how much of the foulest hentai you download.
Starting point is 00:21:30 stream. They're coming for your porn folks. Okay? They're coming. Get ready. Download as much as you can. Now, I know across the week we've heard a lot of conversations about what net neutrality is and how it works and how this repeal is going to affect you. Okay. And a lot of people have been talking about the money. But I want to talk to you about something else. Class warfare. You see, the internet has allowed the common people, you and I, and everybody listening, to have access to the world's knowledge. We've downloaded ancient texts, we've watched college lectures,
Starting point is 00:22:08 we've learned how to build and do things that we may have never had access to. And slowly we've taken more and more power for ourselves. We've communicated across continents. We've made friends we might never know. And we have found a small glimmer of hope in an otherwise alienated world. And the wealthy can't stand that.
Starting point is 00:22:34 You see, they can't stand the idea that they can't charge you extra, that the poor and the working people can make their own media, their own education, their own worldviews. And rather than let it alone, they're going to take it away from you. One of the main things about this building continually seems to get brushed over is the idea that these cable companies want to create fast and slow lanes for internet traffic. okay now let's say you run a website okay if you want to make sure your connection moves swiftly to the end user you need to pay those companies an extra fee if you don't pay your signal might
Starting point is 00:23:13 not move as fast as you'd like it's basically like the old mafia protection rackets look either you pay us or maybe uh people don't come to your store no more without a couple of the legs broken if you have a website with quote unquote questionable content maybe quote illegal or revolutionary in nature you could be blocked completely and they will shut you down and here's the crazy thing folks we've seen all this before okay i want to give you a quote all right the people's university of the air will have a greater student body than all of our universities put together that's a quote from 1922 that was the director of research for the Radio Corporation of America. We have another one from good old at the time, Herbert Hoover, the Secretary of Commerce at the time in 1922. It is inconceivable that we should allow
Starting point is 00:24:05 so great a possibility for service, for news, for entertainment, and for vital commercial purposes to be drowned in advertising chatter. They were talking about the radio. You see, back in the day, back when radio was still young, it was like the internet. It was a fucking free-for-all. Okay. Every town had their own wireless station. You had some of them being run out of gas stations. And when someone pulled up to the gas station, the DJ would basically say, hold on, I'll be right back. I've got to go fill some gas. People were communicating. Any idea could be thrown up there, discussed, argued, fought. People were on there reading poetry, stories, arguing politics, all sorts of stuff. That all changed. In 1927, in a move very very, very, very,
Starting point is 00:24:51 similar to today. Congress created the Federal Radio Commission, which endowed the power to assign wavelengths to the government. It began aggressively doing so, booting hundreds of small stations off the air to produce clear channels for the corporate interests, the big firms at the time, wide open zones where they could broadcast with no interference and sell their products. Today, radio is a shell of its former self. It is a shell. It is not a place of free expression. It is a tide pool of gross and disgusting worms hell-bound on selling you
Starting point is 00:25:27 focus-grouped music and advertising bullshit. The DJs on the fucking radio don't even pick the songs. Everything is controlled. There is no uniqueness. There is no creativity. There is nothing. We, in effect, lost an entire medium.
Starting point is 00:25:45 Gone. What was in the 20s believed to be one of the greatest educational and social institutions. People thought that this was going to revolutionize humanity. Because for the first time, people could talk to one another and learn from one another for free. And they're taking that away from you today, folks. They're removing that ability from you. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:26:14 And if you just want to get a glimpse at what Bones is saying there, If you turn on FM radio or you turn on shitty conservative AM radio or you go and watch cable television with three with every three minutes there's a fucking barrage of commercials all the programming is lowest common denominator low brow shit nothing unique nothing interesting nothing edgy nothing compelling that is the same people that now want to own the internet and it's a fucking sad fact but as long as capitalism is in place we're going to have to continue to continually fight this battle. Just like two years ago in 2015 when we had to fight this battle, net neutrality was actually implemented as a response to these corporations trying to throttle speeds and prioritize content and hike up fees for everyone. So we did that. Then they're back in 2017 trying to do it. And even if somehow these legal battles come through and we end up winning this fight, we're going to have to fight it again in two years because we don't live in a democracy. We live in the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. And the people who have
Starting point is 00:27:19 money and power and influence will leverage that money and power and influence to ensure that insanely important mediums like the internet is firmly under their control. It serves a few purposes. One purpose it serves is the like bones implied the pulling back of the narrative. They want their narrative out there. They want their ideas and their vision of the world prioritized over two broke assholes like me and bones, they don't want, they don't want our shit to be out there. They want it to make as hard as possible. We can barely afford to get gas to come over to this basement to do this
Starting point is 00:27:57 recording. And so if our fees go up, if our bandwidth costs goes up, if it costs more to host on our websites, our social media to promote our podcast, we're going to be fucked. We don't have the means to stand up to these people. And another thing they do is the pretense of democracy, they used to pretend it was a democracy. They used to pretend they cared. but over 80% of Americans over 80% imagine getting 80% of Americans to agree on literally anything
Starting point is 00:28:25 80%, 83% of Americans supported net neutrality only 30% support this GOP tax bill both Trump and Clinton during the campaign had disapproval ratings in the 60% to 70% range yet net neutrality's been gutted Trump and Clinton were only two options
Starting point is 00:28:43 and this fucking tax bill is likely to pass they don't even pretend that it's a democracy or a representative Republican uh representative Republican anymore. It's totally fucked. And the last thing I'll say about this does not get enough coverage in this discussion, but more and more info is coming out that over two million people's identities were stolen.
Starting point is 00:29:03 And they were, their names were used in a bot program when the FCC opened up this decision to the public. A whole bunch of seemingly regular people were defending, destroying net neutrality. That makes no sense. Well, when journalistic outlets like, the Washington Post looked into it, they found that a lot of these people had their identity stolen, and there's some shadowy organization behind the scenes pushing out these people's names with pro-destroying net neutrality comments on the FCC website.
Starting point is 00:29:31 So from A to B, this is bullshit. Go ahead. Can we, and just, can we just pause for a second, and can we, like, dwell on the sheer skull-duggery, the sheer scum-sucking nature that some of these people, One person I saw, their mother had been dead for two years, and uh-oh, suddenly her name and her picture is on a internet post talking about how net neutrality isn't necessary. These people are literally willing to dig up the digital graves of the working class to push their message. There is no pity. There is no mercy. They don't care.
Starting point is 00:30:13 They don't care about you people. They view Brett and I. I and every one of you listening to this as a bunch of livestock. They think the worst thing that ever happened to you in your life is that you got a little bit of sense and you started asking questions
Starting point is 00:30:27 and they want to shove your ass back down into the darkness. They don't want you to know anything other than the little tiny bits of knowledge. They feed you. And only that they give you after they've broken every bit of your will and spirit.
Starting point is 00:30:42 It's coming, folks. It's coming down the pipelines. But again, we are not lost here if we especially as radicals if you have quote unquote questionable ideas we need to start figuring out ideas to stay alive we need to start figuring out ideas to keep our messages moving to keep our platforms rolling whether it's finding out new ways to get our message off of the quote unquote you know regular internet maybe in the dark web but also maybe returning to physical mediums okay that's up to you and again when we open this up to calls i would love to
Starting point is 00:31:21 hear what you think we in the radical community can do to survive what could very well be a death now so when we open up those lines for calls i would love to hear what you folks say um but again brett i think you have another story that uh i'm very very happy that i did not drink too much liquor because I get really, really angry and violent when I drink a lot of liquor. And this next story is enough to make me really, really itch for a 45. Go ahead, sir. I was literally about to say bones has already worked up. I'm trying not to give him an aneurysm, but this next story, this fucking next story is going to piss off anybody with the fucking pull. So this next story is one that, you know, it makes me fucking shake with rage. Even in the process of researching
Starting point is 00:32:06 and writing this piece, I had to like step away and take deep breath periodically to maintain some semblance of composure. The story, of course, is the story of the absolutely brutal police murder of Daniel L. Shaver in the hallways of a hotel that he was staying at, and the subsequent acquittal of the piece of shit police officer who murdered him in cold blood, Philip Brilsford. So, backstory. On January 18, 2016, Daniel and two friends were inside their hotel room, and Daniel was showing his friends an air gun that he used in his capacity as a a pest control worker. The air rifle had a scope on it, and Daniel pointed the air rifle out of his hotel window to show how well the scope worked, effectively using the scope as one would
Starting point is 00:32:51 use binoculars to look into the distance. A witness who was staying at the hotel, saw Shaver through his window, and notified the front desk. The police were notified and soon thereafter showed up at the hotel to confront Daniel and his acquaintances. Daniel, who had been drinking with his friends, was totally caught off guard by the police as he walked out of his hotel room casually, only to be confronted by screaming officers with their weapons drawn, led by the officer Philip Brailsford, who had his own personal AR-15 on him and drawn and pointed directly at Daniel. Officer Brailsford commenced shouting out a slew of contradictory demands
Starting point is 00:33:29 to a clearly shaken and horrified Daniel Shaver. The commands included, among many others, the command to cross his legs and keep his hands stretched to the ceiling, followed immediately by a command to crawl towards the officer, This fucking pig told Daniel to keep his hands high above his head or he would be killed. He said that even if Daniel were to start falling, he better fucking land on his face rather than take his arms down. Yet immediately after that command, Philip ordered Daniel to crawl towards him, which necessitates putting one's hands down onto the carpet in order to crawl. Throughout all of these absurd demands, Daniel can be heard sobbing and begging for his life, trying as desperately as he could,
Starting point is 00:34:11 To obey every illogical and physically impossible demand that was being launched at him. To watch this macabre scene is to watch a petty little scumbag tyrant, feeling every ounce of socially sanctioned authority coursing through his cowardly fucking veins, barking out orders that he knew Daniel couldn't possibly obey. And then the second he had the chance, firing five bullets into Daniel's horrified, begging body, slaughtering an innocent man afterwards he cruelly
Starting point is 00:34:44 and casually walked over the dead body of the unarmed man he had just murdered without so much as even a pause imagine for a second what it would be like if you were innocently having a good time with friends drinking and laughing and then were immediately thrown into a situation
Starting point is 00:35:01 where several screaming cops had high-powered weapons pointed at you yelling incoherent and contradicting commands and threatening to murder are you over and over again. Here is an audio clip of the incident. And please brace yourself because watching it is hard,
Starting point is 00:35:17 listening to it is hard, the whole fucking thing is extremely hard. But here it is, because I think it's important. Okay, young man, listen to my instructions and do not make a mistake. You are to keep your legs crossed. Do you understand me? Yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:35:33 You are to put both of your hands palm down straight out in front of you. Push yourself up to a kneeling position. I said, kick your legs crossed. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't say this in conversation.
Starting point is 00:35:51 Put your hair! Hand up in the air! You do that again. We're shooting you. Do you understand? Please do not shoot me. Then listen to my instructions. I'm trying to do what you...
Starting point is 00:36:03 Don't talk, listen! Hands, straight up in the air. Do not put your hands down for any reason. down for any reason. You think you're gonna fall, you better fall in your face. Your hands go back and the small of your back are down. We are going to shoot you. Do you understand me? Yes, sir. Crawl towards me. Crawl towards me!
Starting point is 00:36:22 Yes, sir. Don't... Motherfucker. Can't even fucking listen to that shit. God. After the murder of Daniel, an investigation was launched. The investigation was launched by the Mesa Police Department. Among a myriad of policy violations, they also discovered that Phillips AR-15 had a dust
Starting point is 00:36:46 cover upon which was engraved the ominous words, you're fucked. That alone gives you a perfect glimpse into the mentality of the police and the psychology of this little fucking coward who needs big weapons, a badge, plenty of backup, and the ability to murder innocent people to feel big and tough. Philip Brailsford was fired by the department and charged with second-degree murder. However, on December 7, 2017, as we've seen over and over and over again in this fucking disgusting society, Philip Brailsford was found innocent on all charges and was completely acquitted by a jury after a six-week trial. He walked out of the courtroom a free
Starting point is 00:37:26 man, able to do what Daniel Shaver and so many other victims of police slaughter will never be able to do. Live a full life surrounded by family and friends. This cop is probably sitting on his couch with the freshly poured beer or out with his friends at some fucking restaurant laughing and having a great time. While Daniel's friends and family and everyone on planet Earth with a heart weeps over yet another totally unnecessary loss of an innocent life. I know he will never tune into this show and never hear this, but hopefully my words will resonate and echo into the cosmos for all time.
Starting point is 00:38:01 Philip Brailsford, you are a cowardly piece of shit, a scared little trembling bully who, like all bullies can only feel like a man when hiding behind a badge and dominating and oppressing those who can't possibly fight back. You better pray to whatever God you believe in that the revolution never, ever comes in your lifetime. Because I promise
Starting point is 00:38:21 you, if we ever get the chance in the course of that revolution, to bring real revolutionary justice down upon the heads of spineless, murdering worms like you, we will do so with the same... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Brett. Brett.
Starting point is 00:38:35 FBI, buddy. I'll say this. I'll end it with this. You're right. I'll end it with this. I hope when you die, Philip, I'm sure of natural causes in old age, why you're asleep in bed because there's no fucking justice in this world, that your body is put to rest in the only place worthy of it, a rat and cockroach infested garbage dump. Only there will you ever be truly among your own. Having said that, I do want to take a moment before I wrap up to highlight the situation that we're in and to explain what certain disparities like. this in our so-called justice system mean at this historical moment. In the United States of America, you can literally murder an unarmed, innocent man who is begging for his life and crawling on the ground on camera and get away with it scot-free. But if you even attend a protest in which a handful of windows are broken, you will face up to 70 years in a cage, even if they have exactly zero evidence that you've broken even a single law
Starting point is 00:39:36 this is because as neoliberal late capitalism spirals the drain as the state loses legitimacy in the eyes of millions of Americans as the quality of life for working people goes down while the pockets of the ultra-rich get thicker the U.S. government needs increasingly to use brutal violence at home to keep the population under control this takes two forms simultaneously the hyper-militarization of the police, along with the total acquittal of officers who abuse their power on the one hand,
Starting point is 00:40:06 and the merciless crackdown of radical leftist movements on the other. The state needs to ramp up and approve of the violence perpetuated by its domestic foot soldiers on the ground, and it needs to brutally crack down on and desperately de-incentivize any dissent in the general population. As crisis capitalism continues to drain the blood of everything decent in this world, it has to dramatically increase the violence and brutality, which it has always used to keep the rabble at bay, to keep folks like us scattered, scared, poor, and divided. It's also worth noting that the state does not do the same thing to the far right.
Starting point is 00:40:44 For example, felony conspiracy charges are leveraged against left-wing protesters who were merely present in a general area where windows were broken, but fascists and Nazis never get hit with similar charges, even when one of their own mows down people in Charlottesville, murdering our comrade Heather Heyer, or when a Nazi stabs three people in the throat on a Portland train, murdering two of them and critically injuring the third? Not once are the fascists who planned and worked with these murderers charged with any form of conspiracy or accessory charges. This is because the far right, despite all of their bullshit talk about hating the government,
Starting point is 00:41:18 is not a threat to the status quo. In fact, they help enforce the very hierarchies of class, race, and gender that capitalism and the U.S. state depend on for their continued existence. The cops and fascists are, for all intents and purposes, attack dogs of the same capitalist state who use extreme violence against the very people who the state views as enemies, the poor, people of color, the revolutionary left, etc. The enemy of their enemy is their friend, and with every killer cop who goes free,
Starting point is 00:41:50 and with every Nazi who gets protected, the U.S. state and the economic system of which it is a manifestation continues on. And that's truly all that matters, no matter how many innocent people have to die in the process. Oh, man, lots on the pack there. Yeah, I mean, like, let's just, let's just, that, you know, we're so, especially in this generation, and especially with the access to some of the content that people RH have, you know, you've seen people die on the internet, I have, I have, I think everybody has. um especially with the police violence we have watched especially in the neighborhoods and cars of
Starting point is 00:42:34 people of color you know they've been mowed down uh time and time again on footage and this footage changes nothing changes nothing the jury every time both these cops off it happens every time and this guy daniel's last words were yes sir i I'm sorry, sir, as he cried and attempted to crawl towards a man with a badge and a gun and an attitude that said he was the master of the universe. We confront this horror every day. And especially communities of color have confronted this every day. Even before we had video, these people had deal with it and watch it and live it. Much like happens today, the regular mainstream American society says, well, comes with the territory.
Starting point is 00:43:48 Collateral damage. Got to have these cops. Got to keep you safe. What are you going to do? Call a crackhead? Folks, as we stressed in the last episode, we are in enemy territory. If you don't think that these cops would do the same thing to you in a heartbeat, you're mistaken. They will come for you.
Starting point is 00:44:13 They will kill you and your family without a second thought. That's what they do. And in fact, the entire United States government depends upon. an entire class of people getting away with murder they have to give these people special privileges because they need their violence they need their brutality and they need to make it okay one thing i think has to be said and i've seen this in multiple cases and i think it's something that we as radicals need to foster is an absolute zero tolerance policy for people calling the police.
Starting point is 00:44:54 I'm not just talking about snitches. I'm talking about the guy that called the cops on a black man that happened to be standing in the toy aisle of Walmart holding a plastic gun.
Starting point is 00:45:11 Okay, I'm talking about people calling in their neighbors being loud and having someone show up and and blow one of them away right in the yard. We need as a community and as a movement to make it clear that not only are the police, not our friends, but that we really need to start thinking about people that talk to, people that fraternize,
Starting point is 00:45:41 people that help the police as literal threats to our lives. they are i don't know about you folks i don't trust those people i sure as hell don't trust those people and i think we definitely need to keep them away from us i think we need to keep them away from our movements and i mean what do you do in a situation like this is there going to be any justice for the person that called that uh called those officers in is is anyone going to talk to that person no they're they're going to live the rest of their lives knowing they called down the full militarized force of the united states fucking government on a guy Just trying to have a good time.
Starting point is 00:46:21 He hasn't come forward. I haven't seen any report by this motherfucker out there talking about how wrong he was or any of the other people that have called the police on black folks just existing. They're never sorry. Oh, I wish. Oh, I had to...
Starting point is 00:46:40 No, that shit needs that. And again, especially nowadays, especially with the J20 case, I think all of us radical anarchists, communists, anyone that's a radical anyone that's revolutionary needs to understand that we are being
Starting point is 00:47:00 listened to, we are being watched and these are the same motherfuckers that are going to call the cops on you and bring this to your house. So there are certain things we have to learn to say. And again, we just need to stop snitching. We need to create a culture where working with the police is a
Starting point is 00:47:22 total, total taboo. Because this is what's killing people. And also folks, as I've said before, these are the soldiers of the state. These are the soldiers of the state coming to kill you. They're killing people. This is an armed force in your community hurting the people you love. We need to start preparing. Take that rage. You listen to a man die tonight.
Starting point is 00:47:46 You've listened to it before. You listen to a person beg for their life in tears and be executed on burst mode. That's coming. It's coming for you. It's coming for me. It's coming for everyone we love unless we begin to organize in our communities and say, enough is enough. We need to make areas where the police do not want to go, where the calls are not coming from. because as communities and as radicals
Starting point is 00:48:16 we can deal with these issues within ourselves and if we can't then what good was our politics anyway and before I let Bones go on to the next segment I'm not going to say much obviously anybody that watches or hears that clip if you have a heart it's going to tear it apart the guy was so scared he was crying begging for his life
Starting point is 00:48:39 this is just a bro machismo piece of shit who murdered somebody and this illusion. I know nobody I'm listening, nobody listening right now has any illusions that there's good cops. But that guy, Philip Brilsford, he was not by himself. Behind him were a fuck ton of other cops.
Starting point is 00:48:56 And if there was a single fucking good cop among them, they would have turned their weapons on Philip because they just witnessed a murder of an innocent man and not only did they do nothing, they continued their fucking little police escapade, went into the room afterwards, cleared it all out, and Philip wasn't so much as even reprimanded by the fellow officers.
Starting point is 00:49:16 There are two types of cops, bad cops and silent cops. And if there are good cops and they speak out against the bad cops, they're fired or demoted. So there's two types of cops, which is to say there's one type of cop, bad cops. And we saw it in action on camera there. And to Bones's point about not calling the police, that means that we need to organize alternatives to policing in our own communities. It's a huge task. police are going to fight against it. The state is going to fight against it. They're going to pass laws against it if we start trying to do it. The Black Panther Party is a nice
Starting point is 00:49:50 beginning point that we can all study in history of a group of people who tried to do that because the police, the white police were an occupying force in their communities. They started cop watches. They became heavily armed. They monitored their own communities. That's something that we should at least try to do. But it's going to be very difficult, especially as we've talked about as capitalism circles, as late capitalism circles the drain, this, this amping up and militarization of the police to keep the domestic population in control is going to continue. So I'm not going to say much more. I'm going to hand it over to Bones and say whatever you want. One last thing. And also, I mean, just to piggyback on that, as we discussed last
Starting point is 00:50:26 episode with, you know, sexism and everything like that, that means we got to be hyper vigilant in our own communities for abuse. Okay? Because too many times this unwillingness to work with authorities creates these dead zones where we don't fill that void and then you create cycles of abuse you allow people that can come in and abuse people or do terrible terrible things and people don't do any we have to basically self-regulate okay if someone's being a shithole person we fucking take care of it if someone has a problem we take care of it that's what it's got to be and we cannot shy away from the fact that yes we're going to be dealing with a whole bunch of more issues, okay? Absolutely. We have to be prepared for that. If we're really in a
Starting point is 00:51:13 revolutionary struggle here, if we're talking real revolution, what do you do when your neighbors are screaming, fighting, throwing shit in the yard? You know, there's this extremely fine line of what's, how do you relate to that, how do you deal with that, how do you de-escalate that situation? We're going to have to study that. We're going to have to confront that. And I, I, I think it's an issue that, especially in a lot of anarchist and radical, communist, everything, every kind of revolutionary literature hasn't adequately been dealt with, basically community relations and how to keep a functioning community and deal with issues like that. We've got to deal with that.
Starting point is 00:51:56 We've got to bring that into our own communities and start to study it if we want to truly exist without the police. But now, as a sort of interesting foil to what is going on in the United States, because here at the guillotine, we absolutely have a internationalist view. I want to talk to you about something that apparently has been going on in Europe, something that has not been reported by the capitalist press. Ladies and gentlemen, Italy has been a blaze inactivity. apparently on the 15th of December, a masked individual on a motor scooter through a Molotov cocktail at police vehicles parked outside a police station in Prati before making a quick escape. This was reported by the Italian corporate media.
Starting point is 00:52:45 However, at the van suffered minor damage. This attack comes less than two weeks after the explosive attack against a police station in San Giovanni Rome by the Santiago Maldonado cell F-A-I. f r i if the name seems strange to you this cell has named themselves after the anarchist that was kidnapped and killed in south america that night a steel thermist containing 1.6 kilograms of explosives was detonated outside of a police station this group released a communique explaining their motivations which we at the guillotine have decided to read for purely journalistic purposes.
Starting point is 00:53:30 Let me say that we at the guillotine, both Dr. Bones and Brett, do not condone any kind of behavior like this, et cetera, et cetera. This is a purely journalistic endeavor.
Starting point is 00:53:40 But we think that you people should hear what is going on in the war for the world. The communique reads as follows. In times of social peace and compliance, there is no better reply
Starting point is 00:53:57 than action. A stimulus, a continuity, and a jolt to wake up those who sleep. Acting on one's own initiative breaks the compliance and inaction and ignites those whose blood boils. The anarchic practices of attack must be the basic stimulus of anarchy. Otherwise, it is a walking dead. Action is necessary to make us alive in the ways we consider opportune, removed from every program, hierarchical and vertical structure. Many revolutionary practices are a part of an anarchism in its bowels. We have decided to take our lives into our own hands by breaking the oppressive peace that surrounds us. On the night of the 6th to the 7th of December, we placed a steel thermos containing 1.6 kilograms of explosives outside the Carbonari Barrax in the San Giovanni
Starting point is 00:54:42 district in Rome. Our attentions have turned to the main guardians of the deadly order of capitalism, the police. Without them, the privileges, the arrogance, and the wealth acclimated by the owners would be nothing, because they have always had the function of repressing, jailing, deporting, torturing, and killing those who by choice or necessity find themselves outside their law. The fight against the state is not simple and cannot be reduced to magic formulas, but the objectives are there, and you cannot always make theories and talk of convenience. Every individual free by desire and necessity puts theory into action here and now. There is no delegation in the struggle for freedom.
Starting point is 00:55:23 what would have been in these years if an incendiary minority had not picked up the torch of anarchy if these comrades had waited for better times the president of the European Commission whose Christmas was ruined knows something about this he knows something about the vampire of Equitalia and was mutilated by one of its claws
Starting point is 00:55:40 the sorcerer of Ansalado nuclear must have felt the heat from the torch of anarchy and his legs side note they're referring to an attack where a certain individual was shot in the kneecaps by anarchists today we take the torch of anarchy tomorrow it will be somebody else
Starting point is 00:55:57 as long as you do not turn it off who wants to watch will continue to watch who wants to justify politically not acting will continue not doing so we are not waiting for any train of hope we do not wait for better times
Starting point is 00:56:12 conditions move with the confrontation the movement is such if it acts otherwise it stands still the liberation of the individual from authority and exploitation is carried out by those directly concerned. Yet those who attack are driven by a continuous urge. This means propaganda of the deed.
Starting point is 00:56:30 Against all cops, politicians and their stooges, against engineers of science and industry, against all masters, but also against all servants, against the ranks of honest citizens of the prison. We are not interested in wasting time and energy in the critique of reformists. Although we do not consider ourselves an elitist minority, as anarchists, we have our actions and our demands.
Starting point is 00:56:51 of propaganda. Every individual in a friendity group develops and increases their experiences in fraternal bonding. Without any specialization and without wanting to impose a method, let everyone find their way through action. The structured hierarchical organization
Starting point is 00:57:05 in addition to killing the freedom of individuals is also more vulnerable to the reaction of oppression. It continues on, but I think you get the point that the individuals there in Italy are making. It is not Brett, or my place to talk about the rightness or the wrongness of these particular actions.
Starting point is 00:57:27 But I think it is important to note, comrades, that our struggles and our pain here in the United States is shared globally that there are many, many people, many souls who have witnessed carnages that we have, who have laid down, teary-eyed, thinking about people whose faces they will never ever see again, pained to walk through those doors and those buildings, or once they heard the echoes of their voices. They feel that pain. And all across the world, the brutality and degradation foisted upon the people by the police and the capitalist order they represent.
Starting point is 00:58:16 is being fought. There is a war, an unceasing and silent war by the human spirit against all that wishes to destroy it. It may take many forms. And currently, in Italy, it is taking an extremely violent form. But it is everywhere. And we, in the United States, must ask ourselves, where do we fit in this international struggle for liberation and freedom? Now, me personally, I have my journalism hat on, you know, I'm basically the Chris Hayes of communism, and so I can't say much. I just think it's extremely interesting what you've said. I'll leave it at that, and I'll let you say whatever else you have to say, and we can move on to live calls after that, my friend.
Starting point is 00:59:07 I think everything said like that. I think that ultimately any of that is, up to everyone there. We at the guillotine are here to report and make you aware of the world as it exists. I say on to live calls. Let's do it. How are you feeling, Bones? Fine, fine.
Starting point is 01:00:00 I'm super glad I didn't drink a shitload of rum. This time I'm drinking Tito's vodka. I've upped my game a little bit. Titos is really fucking good. We have a deal on it at our local store, so. I was, I've got some, uh, rum produced out of St. Petersburg, Florida. Oh, yeah, quite good. Like, a nice coconut vanillae notes, you know.
Starting point is 01:00:23 Nice. Nothing quite excites the blood. Like, uh, oh. Hi. Hello. Hello. Hey. It's Prosper gone home.
Starting point is 01:00:34 Woo! What a! I finally got through. I'm so happy. You collect call to us. I wanted to talk to Bones about the preparedness aspect and making anarchist communities because he and I have talked about that before.
Starting point is 01:00:57 I'm all yours. So I believe that you and I have talked about getting preparedness and getting together and making anarchist communities together. And so I think that we've discussed it a couple times, But I think that the main thing that would be interesting in forming anarchist communities. And one of the things that I've had in my experience is that if you want a community that can self-govern, if you want a community that can come together, then one of the best communities, in my opinion, simply from living in it, that you can have, is probably a nomadic community.
Starting point is 01:01:33 Now, that's a very hard sell for a lot of people, namely because when you're living in a nomadic community, you don't really have a job. You don't really have a way that you can provide an income for your family. A lot of the jobs that you will get will be worded over you by boozy middle class motherfuckers that seem to think that they're better than you simply because you're living in an RV and not in a house. But in my family's community, it was one of the best ways that we managed to get along without anybody in our community
Starting point is 01:02:07 plucking with us. I think that's a 100% valid tactic and especially in my mind I like to look at communities and organizations that have sort of survived the test of time. I've talked at length about how often when I look at organizing, I like to look at criminal organizations,
Starting point is 01:02:31 the Underground Railroad Material Things and the Romani community. has been a community that if you really think about it I mean what a great example because this is a community that has been continually preyed upon and at war at in essence with the state the state has always treated them like garbage has always hunted them down and these people have replicated these different tactics and everything's like that in their community that have kept them alive for generations the nomadic thing I think I think for a lot of people i don't think i think there's two types of people that are going to hear
Starting point is 01:03:11 that there's a group of people that are going to say if this is what works i'm for it and i think there's another group of people that are going to take it's going to take a certain amount of their life going to shit to even think about that um i think especially the way the economy's going, millennials, you know, we're not owning our own in our own houses and everything like that. There is, you have tiny homes that have, you know, become popular and everything like that. I think
Starting point is 01:03:40 that is certainly a tactic and an open option. And more so definitely, I think, especially the thing that you drew attention to that, this sort of community that that traveling built, I think that's something that absolutely needs to be replicated
Starting point is 01:03:56 and needs to be rebuilt. You know, instead of, just an affinity group if we've got groups of people around us that we can celebrate that we can count on if we're hungry is someone that's going to hide us from the police and yes at a certain point depending on what sort of revolutionary level you're you're at if you're you know especially one of these diehard people you may want to move around a bit just the other day someone was talking about getting a group of comrades together to get training with a sailboats and everything like that and start living on the water because they were never going to be able to afford a house they
Starting point is 01:04:30 wanted to have a sort of freedom of movement. I think really, we as radicals need to begin putting everything on the table and analyzing, okay, how can we manage to live the lives that we desire while continually fighting the world around us? And one of the biggest pitfalls of the Romani community, and one of the reasons why I can't live in it anymore with my family, and the reason why we need to look at it, but also we need to look at it, a pinnacle of what we can accomplish, but we also need to look at it critically. And the biggest thing about the Romani community that most people don't realize when they're
Starting point is 01:05:10 outside of it is that it's extremely xenophobic, and it's also highly misogynistic as a community. And so the biggest thing that we need to recognize if we're building these communities ourselves is that we need to, in some semblance, self-police ourselves so that way we aren't forming communities like that, communities that are xenophobic, communities that won't accept people, communities that seem to think that women are commodities to be married off, and
Starting point is 01:05:40 that sort of thing. And that's one of the biggest things that I find to be like one of the problems in almost like anything, especially anarcho twer. It's just you have all these different people talking all over each other at the same time, and so it's really hard to get groups
Starting point is 01:05:56 of people together that have similar values, which is why I'm so happy that I found some comrades in uniqueness. Absolutely. Absolutely. Brett, you want to jump on to that? You know, I have my Marxist sympathies. I really love the idea of reforming that community.
Starting point is 01:06:15 I love the idea of building a community around that basis, whether it's being nomadic or whether it's just having a tight-knit circle of people existing for one another, very much speaks to our notion of community organizing. the sense of providing an alternative to policing. So I'm open to those ideas. I'm very much of whatever worksists. So if it works in this territory, if it works in that community, I'm all for it. That's what I look for when I listen to and analyze ideas. And I'm, yeah, I'm down for whatever. So I love the interesting idea. And I don't have a lot of communication with, you know, like a lot of the egoist or insurrectionists side of things. So I love learning from you guys.
Starting point is 01:06:58 I think it's interesting. Well, yeah. And again, thank you very much. Reiterating that point that ultimately, it is up to us to create, you know, these social circles that aren't trash. You know, we have to be able, because remember, a lot of people,
Starting point is 01:07:18 they buy into the state because it's easy, right? If you have a problem with your neighbor, rather than get to know your neighbor, rather than maybe go through a very uncomfortable situation you pass the buck along it's it's they make living on your knees so easy it's difficult to stand up and that's what I was going to say like regardless of what your tendency is everything that's worth having needs to start it needs to start at the at the grassroots level and build up from there regardless of what your ideas about what the revolutionary
Starting point is 01:07:50 situation should look like or what the means to the ends are it needs to be rooted firmly in the communities it needs to be rooted in the interests of the people that that exist on the ground. It cannot be top down. It cannot be bureaucratic. It cannot be oppressive. Or else we're just, we're redoing the same forms of oppression, the same patterns of domination that exist today. And we don't want to just do that in a new way. We want to destroy that and build something better in this world. So I'm totally on board with all of that. All right. Well, thank you very much. Thank you so much. Bonn for calling in. Greatly appreciated. And our first successful sort of live call in, everything seemed to work fantastic.
Starting point is 01:08:27 boom. Thank you so much. Solidarity. Have a good day, guys. You too. You too. Solidarity. Solidarity. I like to just bark that at people. All right, yeah, we have a tough time because when people are talking, other people are calling in. So the lines are open right now for anybody that wants to call in. If you call in, you get a busy signal or we don't answer. We're not being dicks. We just are fumbling through trying to get as many people on the show as we can. And you might be calling when somebody else is talking and there's not much else we can do about it. Maybe we'll help our game in the future and be able to, like, do a queue or, like, screening calls and have people on a wait list and then move them through.
Starting point is 01:09:06 But right now, we're just kind of flying by the seats of our pants. That, and it could be witchcraft. Probably is an option. You know, that's science. You know, it's there. Neil deGrasse Tyson the other day. Swear to you, he, you know, posted some crazy shit about the Satanic Bible. No, I wish he did that.
Starting point is 01:09:23 But no. We have a call. We have a call. Hello? It's that Badger Boy. Oh, it's Badger Boy. Digibacking off of the nomadic idea. You know, to supplement the nomadic communities,
Starting point is 01:09:50 I'm thinking there was like strongholds, the stronghold as stopover spots for nomadic communities. What kind of strongholds you talking here? Build a community base, things like that. Oh, yeah, absolutely. One of the things that I think we've sort of forgotten in our history is like, we'll kick it over to Brett's Marxist sympathies here. What was it?
Starting point is 01:10:20 What was it called? Like Red St. Petersburg was basically back, you know, before, back in the beginning stages of the revolution, when, you know, Soviet was like actually like a workers council and all that. Like, these, it was an entire city that it sort
Starting point is 01:10:37 of began to run itself. It was, you know, organizing, getting everything done. We have the model in, um, currently, you know, northern Syria with Riyava, the cantons and everything like that. You have the Zapatistas who, again, the Zapatistas have declared themselves
Starting point is 01:10:54 many, many times that they are not, an anarchist struggle. They are an indigenous struggle. That's right. And so I think worldwide we're seeing pockets of resistance and I think it goes right back into what Brett was saying was start in your community start building it up
Starting point is 01:11:09 and I think we should have an organic look of it. Maybe we shouldn't go into it saying this community has to do this because this is what the revolution is going to be. Let's start with radical friendship, radical community leads start building each other up.
Starting point is 01:11:25 Let's start creating areas where you and I and everyone can be free. And we can take that and sort of begin to spread out across the world. Because as Brett said, you know, that's what the Black Panthers were doing. You know, they weren't, the Black Panthers were engaging in a larger revolutionary struggle, but they weren't forgetting the people on the ground. Breakfast for Children program. I mean, what more of a revolutionary goal is there than that? Right. Yeah. And I would add to that by bringing in, I know, you know, I'm all about left unity and pan-leftism and learning from everyone. I think something that the egoist and insurrectionary anarchist community can learn from Maoism is the notion of a protracted people's war, which is the notion that we're not going to topple the government and take everything over right away. But what we can do is create little pockets of resistance in the system. And like the notion of making cops scared to come in a community.
Starting point is 01:12:25 At the height of the Black Panthers power, the cops were scared to drive into that community because the Black Panthers were armed, they were organized, they were following them. If they only had cameras, they would have been recording them. And the notion of creating communities and strongholds where police and the state are not welcome and we're building up our own alternative systems is something all leftists can learn from. And the notion of connecting with your friends, that's what this show is about. We have Live Collins because we love you. You know, I was meditating the other day and I suddenly had this overwhelming feeling of love for bones.
Starting point is 01:12:58 I love bones. I hope one day we can meet and we can hang out and we can drink together because I have a real deep sympathy and love for people that are engaged in this struggle. And I think that's the beginning of a building block of a better world, that love and that connection with our fellow comrades, no matter what their specific tendency is, we're in the same struggle. And building from that is, I think, important. moving things like that setting things like that up again since it's been totally dismantled since the
Starting point is 01:13:28 you know the golden age of the Black Panthers it's like stop over on that underground railroad you mentioned earlier you know absolutely absolutely I think that's one of the great sort of un
Starting point is 01:13:43 lost to time models you know the sort of day to day how did these things function and you know you know Brett was talking about you know, this sort of paying leftist to unity. I have watched and observed from afar, clearly, the revolutionary organization served the people L.A. This is a 100% Maoist organization.
Starting point is 01:14:08 There is no deviation there. Okay. There is absolutely zero. In fact, I would go so far as to say I would be regarded as an untrustworthy criminal type maybe by them. However, I will say this. But I am an untrustworthy criminal type, generally everywhere I go. It's part of being a journalist.
Starting point is 01:14:27 So serve the people in L.A. is a community. It is a, it is a community that has organized against gentrification. It is primarily a Latino community. It's a traditionally working-class neighborhood that begins. began to sort of be eaten away by these big developers. They have organized against it. They have not just organized as in liberal marches and everything like that. They were going to showing some stuff like that and basically telling these people,
Starting point is 01:15:04 you better get the fuck out of our hood. Our bad shit's going to happen to you. Like one real estate tried to do, like, talk about the most hipster, boogey thing ever, like a bike ride through of like potential properties. Oh my God. And serving people, I was like, yeah, yeah, you are not going to be safe. so I'm just letting you know if you want to go home
Starting point is 01:15:24 I would not do that so they've successfully through very very militant tactics kept these people out of their community but they're not just doing that they are doing community functions
Starting point is 01:15:38 they do free food free entire community so I mean this is some you know this is what real revolutionary shit looks like folks you know they're out there their community knows them
Starting point is 01:15:51 They know them by name. They're learning what they're about. They're living their principles. And it's so easy for us to get up here, and this is a huge problem in the revolutionary community, talk all this good game, but we're not showing people what it looks like. We haven't shown people what it means to live in the worlds we're talking about. And I'm telling you, 100%. And this is one of the biggest successes with the Black Panthers was instead of just talking to people, they created openings and windows for those people to live. live their own lessons. So rather than say, you need to read this book, then you need to think
Starting point is 01:16:26 about this, then you need to do this, you open up a window and say, here, this is what we're doing, you come to your own conclusions. And if you create that sort of atmosphere where people can say, you know what? What do I owe the United States? And you know what? Maybe what do I need the police for? And wow, maybe these people around me aren't just invisible beings, but they're fellow struggling human beings like myself. And maybe we can get together and really make something happen. You know, I saw that during the hurricane. We're seeing that in Puerto Rico. You know, you give human beings the chance and they're going to do amazing things. So I think there's so many options and so many different things available. And creating these community strongholds,
Starting point is 01:17:07 stronghold, great word for it. You know, don't just have a community. Have a stronghold. Something you can depend on. I think is where we need to go. Thank you very much, Bazar. We have a new call coming in. We have many more episodes everybody can talk. Thank you so much, dude. Comrade. Solidarity. Solidarity. I'm just going to yell at it at people. There you go. We're waiting for a call. We've had one coming in, but we fucked it up. I just wanted to add one more thing. In Omaha and Lincoln here, we have a program called Feed the People, where we go into working class, poor, and immigrant communities, and we have comrades that give them food and diaper and goods.
Starting point is 01:17:42 Diapers, you know, shit for their kids, formula. Both, we've expanded from Omaha into Lincoln, so we have both cities doing this. this right now. It's a great way to reach into those communities, show them that you care, give them things with no strings attached. We're not missionaries. We're not going to talk about Marxism or anarchism with you. We're just going to make sure that you and your kids are cared for. And that's what's important. Another group that I just did an article on is the PRDC STL. It's a group in St. Louis, that is, they are, originally they were providing security for leftist and protest groups, but now they've grown larger, and they're providing firearms training to people who may have never held a gun, who may have never experiencing it,
Starting point is 01:18:27 so they're getting these marginalized communities and people who may have been afraid of gun ownership and not known all the different ins and outs of self, because I can tell you, especially as a gun owner, gun ranges suck. It's full of like the most reactionary people, you're constantly being watched, this, that, and the other, and so we as leftists need to open up these areas where you can go, You can learn these defensive skills and not be judged for it. And so, again, big shout out to the PRDC STL for doing fantastic work. Fuck, yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:56 We got a new call. Hello. Hey, this is Tiberius Grokutts out on left coast. Woo! What's up? No, but when you're calling someone, it helps to turn your mic on. I swear to God, I'm a professional. How you doing?
Starting point is 01:19:10 It's doing great out here. Well, I just wanted to know you guys are talking about, like, revolutionary. communities and like nomadic communities that kind of thing what that reminds me of is intentional communities there's a there's a movement going like there are you know essentially communes but really what they are is they are setting up a community with the intention of a certain goal in mind like whether it is to live ecologically or whether it is to create a space for a certain amount of like freedom or whatever it is like you can have these kind of these kind of communities not just in like a nomadic sense i mean there's there's uh you can have some safety as as a nomadic
Starting point is 01:20:04 tribe that you are very hard to pin down by the state but you also have the problem where if you're constantly on the move it's very difficult to actually integrate into a community and be a kind of like a revolutionary nucleus. So creating a community with a very specific kind of intention, and usually it's based around some kind of formal or informal constitution or like a contract kind of thing, that allows you to like set up, I know Bones isn't going to like to set up these kind of like social rules.
Starting point is 01:20:43 So these are how we deal with, with troublemakers. This is how we distribute the resources and labor within the community. So there was another thing that bones are talking about, Red St. Peter. There were sections of Vienna, which also had, you know, cooperative housing, and, you know, really revolutionary socialist communities building up, controlling their own labor, controlling their own work, and these kind of things, and it took a fascist reactionary state, actually ruling in the tanks to, like, actually sending in the military to demolish these spaces to actually take that down, because they were so, like powerful as, as a tool of, like, propaganda. Right. And that's another, like, the dichotomy of whether you are a settled commune
Starting point is 01:21:54 or whether you are a nomadic tribe. Right. Where a settled commune can grow very big and very powerful, but it is in a single place the state can easily get its hands on. Exactly. So that's the, that's the needle that you've got to thread with that. Yeah, and I totally agree, and I think that's the, You know, the pros and cons.
Starting point is 01:22:14 You can really look at revolutionary Catalonian, the Spanish Civil War, as an example of a community that went autonomous, that took over a territory, and that held it down. You know, those big banners of no Pasadun, you know, they shall not pass were hung over the, like, structures in the middle of the street so that when the invading Franco army came, they saw right away, like, you had this big sign that say they shall not pass, and then you have these bunkers and these barricades, where all these people are together and they're fighting against the fascists. So there are pros and cons. I very much, you know, my sympathies lie in the direction of communities building up and building. out. So if you can lock down a territory and say this is our shit, you'll attract revolutionary leftists to come to it. You'll have a certain rule and guidelines of how people are expected to behave. You start providing your own services. That's dual power. That's taking inside the belly of the beast, taking territory and building up a revolutionary movement inside the belly
Starting point is 01:23:17 of the beast. So I really love that. I really enjoy that. The Zapatistas are another example of how taking over territory and expanding from that stronghold can be a really effective way of growing a movement and attracting people to that movement because as bones was alluding to earlier we're not going to get regular working class people on our side by going to them and talking highfalutin theory they need to see with their own two eyes that what we're building in practice is better for them and their interests in reality in real time than it is to participate in the overarching structure. So we can only get so far with theory.
Starting point is 01:23:55 We have to put it into practice. And building up revolutionary communities is something I think all leftists can agree on that is a necessary thing to do. I think there's room because one of the things that is interesting is after Catalonia fell, right? A lot of people got out of the country
Starting point is 01:24:14 through these informal networks, safe houses that may not have been officially owned. of one of the things that's interesting was that the war continued for a little while by these small groups of illegalists, one of the most famous being El Sabate, who was this guy who was pretty much just blowing the heads off of landlords and priests in the middle of Francois Spain. And this guy, just his mere name inspired so much fear in the police and landlords and everything like that.
Starting point is 01:24:45 You could chase them out. A whole class of criminals existed just to pretend to be this guy. And so in a lot of these revolutionary moments where maybe they collapsed or they didn't work out as a plan, it was these informal networks of comrades that were connected by this sort of radical friendship that said, look, if you're in trouble, I got you. I may not own this house, but I know a guy and you can stay there this time. It's much like what I find so interesting is, especially in the United States, the underground railroad, right? This was an informal organization that had no hierarchical head. And yet, and yet, it was. able to smuggle people, human beings, feed them, clothe them, bring them, travel them from the deep south all the way up to Canada. They did this without an internet connection. They did this without cell phones. Very, very primitive technology. Now, I don't know about you, Brett, but I don't know anybody that could successfully smuggle my ass to Canada right now. I don't know. I don't know anybody that could do that. But these people were able to pull that off. And so I think,
Starting point is 01:25:44 absolutely, I agree that we should, you know, establish strong communities, you know, seize the land if you got it. And one of the things that, you know, I've, because I've talked about this before, a lot of people, oh, well, we're working class, we can't, you know, necessarily buy property. Well, you know, one of the things that I point people to is the Bloods and the Crips don't necessarily own a lot of property. And yet at the same time, they seem to control it. So you may not necessarily own outright the land you're under. But, If you can control enough power, just like in Boyle Heights, they're not stopping gentrification by buying the buildings, right? They are physically telling these people, you are not going to do it.
Starting point is 01:26:27 Otherwise, it'll be bad for you. I think that I'm interested to see where the revolutionary movement goes to the United States. I think there's going to be a certain group of people that may have a more nomadic structure. there's a certain group of people that may have a more community function and I think most interesting is and as has been brought up in this call you know it's uh it's so easy for these people to get isolated because they are new people in the communities they go into um I think what would be great would be a healthy interplay of the forces you'd have a group of people that may travel in the south in the south there's a tradition of what they used to call circuit writers and they were the these preachers that, like, had no home, and they just kind of ran these circuits, and they pretty much depended upon the hospitality of the towns they were in. And so they would have these sort of lines, like, it would take a whole year, but you'd visit, like, what, like 36, 48 different towns, preaching, whatever, whatever. Okay, what if we had a network of intentional communities
Starting point is 01:27:33 and intentional communities 100 percent, yes, that is what we need. We need to go into these communities with the idea that we are founding revolutionary structures. And what if you had a skill? Let's say 3D printing. We would love for you to tour these communities. Don't just keep your skills in one community. Show everybody. Show us how to set.
Starting point is 01:27:56 If you know how to set up solar panels, if you know how to do, you know, if you're really good at organic gardening, you should seek to teach other radicals and other revolutionaries and especially any other burgeoning communities, those skills. And so I think a healthy interplay of nomadic and sedentary forces would be beautiful. And again, at that point, you are creating a full-blown culture. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you very much for your call. Bones, what do you think? One more call and then we're done? Yeah. One more. Probably, probably a quick one. If we could just have one question, I've been pretty much keeping myself going on no food, beer, and rum. That's what I'm worried about. but thank everybody that calls we really appreciate it
Starting point is 01:28:39 sometimes we have to cut it off just because it's the function of how we do this so people could call up kind of condense their comment or their question and then just maybe we just let us talk and then we'll take the next call be really helpful but yeah we'll take one more really quick and then we'll let bones go because I know he's pressed against the wall on this one
Starting point is 01:28:57 you haven't eaten all day have you? I think I had like an English muffin but nothing on it Jesus yeah and I work worked 5 a.m. to 4. Jesus. Well, for anybody that wants to feed bones, we have a Patreon, Patreon, backslash the guillotine.
Starting point is 01:29:14 Please keep me alive. We just put it up today to really help this show go forward in the future. We're still working out some kinks, but one more call? Hi. Hi. Hello. Hello. Hi, it's Lorena from Brazil. Wow, from
Starting point is 01:29:30 Brazil. What's up? Oh, shit. How are you doing? Lorraine has been a Rev. Left fan from Dave fucking one. A great comrade and somebody that we've actually formed a friendship over the yeah. I'm sorry my internet connection is not the best and also I'm not very sober right now. Neither are we. Don't worry we're getting there. Yeah I have a question for y'all. My question is in two parts. The first one is like you were all talking about building this community from the ground and at the same time the
Starting point is 01:30:11 struggle the organization that I'm in here in Brazil we work very differently than what would be happening there in the US I'm quite sure these things also happen here in Brazil I'm just probably not aware of it but the The thing is, you guys said something about not preaching Marxism or barcooning to people and, you know, building it from the ground. And I totally agree with that. But my problem is when you establish, like, a militia-like state, like the state of exception. You become something like you see in the favelas here in Brazil, you know, because you have entire communities with, who controls it is the drug dealers.
Starting point is 01:31:18 And the police is not welcome there. They do not go there. But, of course, they have a deal with them. But they have no revolutionary theory. So they are just. drug dealers it could be like a huge project of communities that they have the trust and everyone there is like a very strong community against police against even abuse that happens inside but still they are just they are a structure of
Starting point is 01:32:00 drug dealers when they could have been very revolutionary if they had persisted in their revolutionary jury. But I think I rambled a bit out. No, yeah, no. I think that's 100% valid critique. And I think especially what I find interesting is the favelas in Brazil were brought up specifically in a Pentagon video regarding their theories of the future. And basically the Pentagon said, look, by the year 2050,
Starting point is 01:32:33 most modern cities will be totally ungovernable. They used Brazil specifically as a model to where you had these large sort of nests of wealth and then people living in favelas and to where the gangs on the street were the law. And what's interesting is that the Pentagon, okay, now this is the most highly funded military in the world on the planet in human history. And they're saying, we can't control it. There is no way that we can control the cities of the future. And so basically they're creating all these sort of tactics and theories,
Starting point is 01:33:10 like how we're going to use special operations. So I think, unfortunately, some of the... From the drug dealers in the room. Like, really. Their Brexit is something to be learned from. Exactly. Ding, ding, ding. Yes, yes. And that's exactly what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:33:32 We are revolutionaries. Okay. And I think especially as Bonn, our first caller said, you know, we have got to make sure that we're creating communities where there isn't sexism, where there isn't racism, where we aren't just a militia claiming territory and, you know, laying back and saying, oh, boy, I get to walk around with an M16. Isn't this fun, guys? No.
Starting point is 01:33:55 We're in this for something. And you are absolutely right that here are literal examples where, yeah, the, you know, government can't control these areas. It just can't. And in my mind, in my mind, especially when we have the Pentagon saying, look, 2050 cities across the planet, uncontrollable, we're going to have to rely on special forces and strike teams because we just can't control these areas. Look, folks, my question is, who do you want to control it? Because there's a power vacuum coming. Okay. Now, it can either be us, revolutionaries, interested in egalitarianism, freedom, expression creativity
Starting point is 01:34:32 or you could have the white nationalist militias who are buying land guns doing all these different things or you could just literally whoever happens to be the strongest force and whatever the hell they want I think you're absolutely right
Starting point is 01:34:48 it's something we have to what's the word bookchin used like a paraloquialism peri I don't know yeah xenophobia is a great word for it where it's like okay our neighborhood above everybody else fuck everybody else. We want to get away from that. But you're absolutely right, caller, that we have so
Starting point is 01:35:06 much to learn from, at least on a total praxis level. Okay, how do these people work on a day-to-day basis? Radicals need to be looking towards that sort of organizing and pulling lessons while maintaining our sort of revolutionary coherency. Any last words, Lorena?
Starting point is 01:35:25 Yeah. I just wanted to say hi to you all. I really like your work, and I hope you have a great evening. Thank you. You too. We love you. Thank you. Have a great night. Yeah. I'll say that Lorena was one of the first fans of Rev. Left Radio,
Starting point is 01:35:45 and after the Charlottesville attack, Lorena, messaged me through the Reveleft Radio page and showed concern about my children, and I've mentioned it a lot since then. It was the first listener ever that was like, I hope your kids. are okay. And for that, I'll always love Lorena, somebody that cared enough to message me asking about my children. It brought me to tears when I read that. I'll just say quickly that, you know, capitalism creates the spaces for black markets to arise, the alienation that leads people to seek out drugs and the rise of cartels and, you know, money laundering and crime
Starting point is 01:36:24 syndicates is very much a manifestation of capitalism. It's very hard to deal with those situations when they own and operate communities. They're very entrenched. They're in some sense maybe better than the state or worse than the state, depending on where you're at. But we need to get armed. We need to get organized and we need to carve out our own spaces. And if that means kicking out the cops or if that means kicking out the gangs or if that means kicking out the mafia, whatever it may be, that's one thing. Or forming our own. Yeah, or forming our own. And in a lot cases the gangs, you know, in poor parts of cities
Starting point is 01:36:59 are just a reaction to a capitalist fucking dystopia and selling drugs is the only economic activity that exists in those societies. Although I... You want to say when the revolution comes, I still want drugs. Oh, please God. Let me be very clear. I still want drugs.
Starting point is 01:37:14 Mushrooms and acid and marijuana, preferably are... God damn, right? I'm seeking out those drugs, God damn. So, yeah, maybe in some cases, we can form alliances with these street gangs because they're the proletariat, you know, Mark's called them the lumpen proletariat, people that are forced to adhere to criminal activity in order to get by. And if we wipe out those conditions that give rise to that criminal behavior and give rise to the chaos and, you
Starting point is 01:37:42 know, violence that's our inherent in cartels and street gangs, we can form alliances with those people because they are of those communities in a lot of cases. So, yeah, and it's complicated. Like I said, I think we're coming towards a power vacuum and focus. look it's coming as we discuss tonight the world is changing it's changing right in front of your eyes it's happening faster and faster and faster and faster and your future is slowly disappearing now what are you going to invest in do you want to pour your money in a 401k in a shaky stock market or do you want to invest in a group of comrades in a community and do you want to in the process of fighting the same system that is actively destroying you,
Starting point is 01:38:32 discover a life and discover a life that makes you feel like life is worth living. That's the goal, folks. And I think we have had a fantastic episode. Now, if you don't excuse me, Brett, I'm about to literally piss in a beer. If I don't step away from this, Mike, I've been holding on because I do not want two podcasts where I literally piss on air in a beer can. All right, brother. Bad form.
Starting point is 01:39:02 Go piss, man. Good night, everyone. Thank you so much for calling. Good night, everybody. It's been great. Solidarity. Goalty. Geotene.
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