Revisionist History - Little Mermaid Part 1: The Golden Contract

Episode Date: July 22, 2021

Revisionist History takes on The Little Mermaid: a deep dive into a world where merpeople present us with a series of vexing moral conundrums. Part one of three. Learn more about your ad-choices at h...ttps://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Pushkin. Hold on. How many kids do you have? I have two boys. Okay. So your kids are how old at this point? Oh, they were young. I mean, this is before, you know, you can call up anything on all of Disney Plus or whatever. I'm speaking with Laura Beth Nielsen, law professor, social scientist, chair of the Northwestern University Sociology Department. You know, they were VHS tapes and they wanted to watch them. And at some point, you know, as the adult, you just get mind-numbingly bored.
Starting point is 00:00:46 And I started thinking about what else they represented. Were there particular movies that got you thinking along these lines? It was The Little Mermaid. It was The Little Mermaid. I want to be where the people are. I want to see, want to see them dancing, walking around. The Little Mermaid came out in 1989. It's based on the Hans Christian Andersen children's story of the same name.
Starting point is 00:01:15 An animated musical from Walt Disney Pictures, written and directed by the team of Ron Clements and John Musker. About an adolescent mermaid named Ariel, who wants to leave the sea and trade in her fins for feet because she's fallen in love with a handsome prince. She rescued him from a shipwreck, and now she can't stop thinking about him. What would I pay to stay here beside you? What would I do to see you smiling at me?
Starting point is 00:01:47 The Little Mermaid is for kids, specifically and especially little girls. It's a princess movie. When it came out, it rejuvenated Disney's animated film business, setting off a spectacular run. Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, Pocahontas. But it isn't just kids who watch Disney movies. It's their parents. Parents like Laura Beth Nielsen, the lead author with Nehal Patel and Jacob Rosner of a 2017 Law Journal article called Ahead of the Lawmen, Law and Morality in Disney Animated Films, 1960-1998. If you have a young child, I recommend you read this article before it's too late.
Starting point is 00:02:41 I read the paper, and I rolled my eyes, and I was like, seems to be like, hmm. And then, you know, I'd never seen Little Mermaid. So then I watched Little Mermaid and I was like, oh, you're so right. Yes, you heard that correctly. I had never seen The Little Mermaid. I was the only person in the English-speaking world who could not sing the lyrics to Under the Sea. In fact, I don't think I'd seen a Disney animated movie at all.
Starting point is 00:03:15 And then, one day, deep into my adult years, I discovered Walt Disney's The Little Mermaid. It's very dramatic. But it's not just that. That's a hugely, we're going to come back to this, but that is a hugely problematic movie. Oh, for a million reasons.
Starting point is 00:03:34 For a million reasons. Ultimately, this episode is about whether it can be fixed. Wait, did I say this episode? I meant three episodes. We're spending the next three weeks on The Little Mermaid. Revisionist History's take on The Little Mermaid is going to go on longer than The Little Mermaid itself.
Starting point is 00:04:01 My name is Malcolm Gladwell. You're listening to Revisionist History, my podcast about things overlooked and misunderstood. Sometimes we go high at Revisionist History. Sometimes we go sideways. This time, we're going deep. Deep, deep underwater, to the ocean floor, to the mer-world,
Starting point is 00:04:23 where men and women and children with fins for feet present the rest of us with a series of vexing, moral conundrums. You know, some people say, oh, you're too rough on Disney. I'm not rough on Disney at all. I mean, I love that movie. But it's... Wait, you love that movie? Are you talking about The Little Mermaid?
Starting point is 00:04:54 Yeah. You still maintain that you love it? Nobody's ever asked me this before. I'm thinking, I think I do. I mean, yes. I think these are opportunities to talk to your children. Oh, I see. You like it because it gave you a chance to instruct your sons.
Starting point is 00:05:15 Right. If I really hated it, I wouldn't have had it in my house, right? Well, you didn't know. You didn't know until you washed it with them. You hadn't washed it yourself before you showed it to them, had you? Oh, yeah. Oh, you had. Yes yourself before you showed it to him, had you? Oh, yeah. Oh, you had? Yes.
Starting point is 00:05:26 Would you like me to sing the whole score? I assure you the answer is no. She sat on the couch with her kids and watched it again and again and again, first with love and only then with alarm. You have to watch it unwillingly many times to get to this level of analysis, I think. When do children first encounter fairy tales? At the most crucial of moments, when they start to form their earliest notions of legality and morality. As Laura Beth Nielsen points out, when you ask a two-year-old to share a toy,
Starting point is 00:06:08 he'll say, no, it's mine. Ask a four- or five-year-old and they'll say, why do I have to share? They suddenly want a framework to help them understand that request. And what do fairy tales do? They supply that framework. So this is what I want to do in these episodes about The Little Mermaid. I want to fix the frame set askew by Disney a generation ago. Now, as I lead you on this journey of aquatic discovery, am I a little worried? Of course I'm
Starting point is 00:06:40 worried, because this is Disney we're talking about. The magic kingdom. The litigious magic kingdom. I hinted at this worry of mine in the least helpful place possible. On the Jimmy Kimmel Show, which runs on ABC. Owned by Disney. I know you're part of the Disney empire, Jimmy. I know you are. I am.
Starting point is 00:07:03 They're upstairs watching this right now. They're probably trying to cut me off. You'll be... Their finger's on the button. You'll be lucky to be alive by morning. That's for sure. Jimmy sounds like he's kidding. He's not kidding. Have you ever heard of the infamous case, Walt Disney Productions versus the Air Pirates?
Starting point is 00:07:21 An underground cartoonist named Dan O'Neill got together with a group of his hippie friends in San Francisco in 1971 and wrote two issues of a Mickey and Minnie Mouse parody. Their first cover showed Mickey flying a prop plane with two bags of dope hanging from the fuselage. We're talking about, at most, 40,000 copies of an indie comic book written by some counterculture cartoonist. Did Disney laugh? Ignore it? No, Disney sued. They brought in a battalion of high-priced legal talent and rained fire on little Dan O'Neill.
Starting point is 00:07:59 The case dragged on for over nine years. Let me just quote to you from the completely nuts account of the saga from the writer Bob Levin. In 1979, O'Neill stood before the bar, 38 years old, unemployed, with total assets of $7, a 1963 Mercury convertible, a banjo, and the baggy gray suit he was wearing. Disney, which already had a $190,000 judgment against him, sought to have him fined another $10,000 and imprisoned for six months. You read a line like that and you think, there but for the grace of God go I. That could be me up there, standing before the court, broken and forlorn, besieged by Disney's pack of legal attack jackals. But are we at Revisionist History afraid to give
Starting point is 00:08:52 the story of Ariel a makeover? No, we're not. Because somewhere out there is a little mermaid imprisoned in a script that does not do her justice. And Disney, if you're listening, before the preliminary injunctions start flying around, be advised that although we will be critical of certain sea creatures within the Magic Kingdom, this is criticism that comes from a place of affection. Why have not we an immortal soul? asked the Little Mermaid mournfully. I would gladly give all the hundreds of years that I have to live to be a human being only for one day, and to have the hope of knowing the happiness of that glorious world above the stars. The Little Mermaid began as a short story by the great Danish storyteller Hans Christian Andersen.
Starting point is 00:09:46 You probably know some Hans Christian Andersen tales. The Princess and the Pea, The Emperor's New Clothes, The Ugly Duckling, The Snow Queen. Andersen was born into poverty in the early 19th century. He was desperately insecure, self-absorbed, probably a virgin his entire life. There's some evidence that he might have been gay or bisexual at a time and place in history when making public either of those preferences could land you in prison. What Anderson had was his talent, which was immeasurable. He also had a beautiful singing voice, which he used to gain entree into the homes of the wealthy.
Starting point is 00:10:23 He was the ugly duckling. In fact, when Anderson was once asked whether he would ever write his autobiography, his response was, I already have. Almost every tale he wrote, they were grounded in the reality of his life. That was a dirt poor, uncultivated, ugly young boy became sort of a swan, so to speak. That's Jack Zipes, one of the leading experts on fairy tales. Anderson's stories are about transformation, about outsiders longing to be insiders, about the struggle for acceptance. And The Little Mermaid is quintessential Anderson. about outsiders longing to be insiders, about the struggle for acceptance. And the Little Mermaid is quintessential Anderson.
Starting point is 00:11:14 A mermaid saves a handsome prince from drowning and decides that she wants to be human too. Because, as her grandmother tells her, human beings have immortal souls. You must not think of that, said the old woman. We feel ourselves to be much happier and much better off than human beings. So I shall die, said the little mermaid, and as the foam of the sea, I shall be driven about never again to hear the music of the waves or to leave the water becomes overwhelming. So she goes to a sea witch, who gives her a potion,
Starting point is 00:11:57 and tells her that when she drinks it, her fins will turn into legs. All who see you will say that you are the prettiest little human they ever saw. But every step she takes will be filled with pain, as if she were treading upon sharp knives. If the prince marries her, she can stay a human. If she fails to win his heart, she will die. Oh, and the witch extracts the most horrible down payment. When at last the magic draft was ready, it looked like the clearest water. There it is for you, said the witch. Then she cut off the mermaid's tongue so that she would become dumb and would never again speak or sing.
Starting point is 00:12:42 Oh, man. And yet, does Anderson's mermaid get to marry the prince? No, she doesn't. The prince ends up marrying another woman, and the mermaid melts into foam. Classic Anderson. As Jack Zipes puts it, most of Anderson's characters wind up as metaphors for his own suffering. He never felt, at least for him, what he would consider true happiness. And that was the motor of all of his tales. The frustration he felt comes out in most of the tales that he wrote. A lot of the scholarship on Hans Christian Anderson dwells on this point,
Starting point is 00:13:24 about the connection between his fairy tales and his own life. There's a wonderful essay by Gabrielle Bellot where she points out that just before Andersen wrote The Little Mermaid, he'd been embroiled in a passionate, completely unrequited romance with a handsome young Dane. Let me just read to you from Bellot's essay where she cites a poem that Anderson wrote about his love. It goes, The amative poem continues with further kisses and an exhortation to What does the object of Anderson's love do? He rejects Anderson for a
Starting point is 00:14:09 woman. The author is plunged into despair and writes The Little Mermaid, a story about a creature from another world who must give up her beautiful voice, her identity, to be accepted by the greater world, only to be rejected for a woman. And there the Little Mermaid remained, a sad story from a tortured soul. Until one day, she got a new life. A century passes, and along comes Disney. In the 1980s, the Disney animated franchise was in trouble. Its greatest hits, Snow White, Pinocchio, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, were all in the past.
Starting point is 00:15:03 They wanted us all to go out and find new ideas. This is Ron Clements, longtime writer and director at Disney, speaking a few years ago at the big animation conference Industry Giants. I read Hans Christian Andersen's story in a bookstore, and as I was reading it, I thought, it seemed like, this is great, this is so cool. But as I continue to read it, it's very, very sad. Oh, yes, it is. Very, very sad. All the way to the bitter end, where the Little Mermaid is reduced to a clump of seafoam.
Starting point is 00:15:34 The little girls of America are not yet ready, Clemens feels, for an aquatic allegory of unrequited homosexual longing. It gets sadder and sadder and sadder, and then she dies in the end. So it was almost depressing in a way, but I thought it had a lot of potential, so I made it a little more of a good-against-evil story and a love-triumphs-all story. Clements and his co-director, John Musker,
Starting point is 00:15:58 gave the Little Mermaid a name, Ariel. The sea witch became Ursula, a campy octopus, based on the legendary drag queen Divine and Joan Collins, villainous of a hundred 1970s B-movies. Ariel's father, the leader of the mer-world, is a big white-haired giant named King Triton, who looks a little like Santa Claus, if Santa Claus had spent the off-season lifting weights. And Ariel gets a few sidekicks. Sebastian, a crab with a Jamaican accent and love of calypso. There's a fish named Flounder and a ditzy seagull named Scuttle. The prince Ariel falls in love with is named Prince Eric. He's a dashingly handsome aristocrat with a sheepdog. Howard Ashman and Alan Menken, the creators of Little Shop of Horrors,
Starting point is 00:16:53 were brought in to write the music. Everyone loved the result. John Musker remembers opening his front door on Halloween night after the movie came out and seeing a little girl dressed as Ariel. And he realized, we made it. We're in the culture. Clements and Musker would go on to do some of Disney's most memorable animated movies. Aladdin, Princess and the Frog, Moana. They're now the grandfathers of Hollywood animation. John and Ron should be proud. But let's keep listening to Ron Clements as he talks about The Little Mermaid. I never really felt any guilt so much about changing the sad Indy to a happy Indy. Hmm, where did that come from? Who said anything about guilt? Is there something here weighing on Ron Clements' conscience? I never felt any guilt until I was doing publicity in Copenhagen
Starting point is 00:17:45 for the European premiere of the film. And that's where Hans Christian Andersen lived, and that's where the statue of the Little Mermaid is. They were not so happy about it. They were giving me a hard time about changing the ending. And even one interviewer said, it would be as if we took on with the wind and we changed the ending so that Scarlett O'Hara
Starting point is 00:18:05 stayed with Rhett Butler in the end. So not all Danes appreciated what Disney did with The Little Mermaid. But my beef is not Danish. My beef comes from the scholar Laura Beth Nielsen. Do you remember what specific thing in that movie got you thinking, wait a minute. Oh, it's that moment where Triton shoots his trident at Ursula to try to save his daughter from this, what every viewer knows is an extremely immoral arrangement. The extremely immoral arrangement she's talking about? It's the contract aerial signs with Ursula. In the original fairy tale version of Little Mermaid,
Starting point is 00:18:53 the mermaid made a handshake deal with the sea witch. She got the potion that made her a human. In exchange, the sea witch cut off her tongue. In the Disney version, they bring in lawyers. Of course they do. Ursula, the Disney diva, won't make any magic deals without a signed contract.
Starting point is 00:19:14 Ariel signs the scroll. She now has three days to get Eric to kiss her. If she fails, she has to return underwater and become Ursula's slave. Now, if you've watched the movie, you know what happens next. Ariel comes close to kissing Eric, but gets foiled.
Starting point is 00:19:30 Ursula acquires Ariel's voice, transforms herself into a beautiful young woman, and steals Eric away. Whereupon, King Triton confronts Ursula to get his daughter back. Let her go. Not a chance, Triton. She's mine now. We made a deal. That's when Triton tries to destroy the contract with his trident.
Starting point is 00:19:53 Doesn't work. Then Ursula says, and this is the key phrase. You see? The contract's legal, binding, and completely unbreakable. Even for you. She holds up the contract. It's gold.
Starting point is 00:20:09 And it was that unbreakable, golden contract that was ruling this whole situation. And it was, I mean, from, you know, a law professor perspective, clearly illegal. Yeah. Under the law. I mean, it's a contract involving a minor and the sale of body parts. I believe in law. I mean, I'm skeptical about a lot of claims, and I think we need to empirically study them and all of those sorts of things. But fundamentally, I want my students and my children to understand that law embodies or should embody, and we have to strive to make it always be so, true justice. And a piece of paper, or in this case gold, whatever it is, doesn't win out over a just outcome. That's the argument of Nielsen's paper, the one published in 2017. When I ran across it, I'll admit my first thought was,
Starting point is 00:21:14 this is some academic with way too much time on her hands. Do we really need to overthink animated movies of fairy tales? But then I realized, actually, we do. There are lots of things we overthink in our society. I overthink everything, all the time. And most of the things I overthink are not nearly as important as the narratives we tell children. And finally, we get to sit down and have this conversation. Did you watch Oprah's famous interview with Meghan Markle?
Starting point is 00:21:48 A young woman marries a prince and finds herself thwarted by the royal family, suppressed, silenced. And what did Meghan Markle reference as a parallel for her predicament? Not a theory of justice by John Rawls. No, The Little Mermaid. Who as an adult really watches The Little Mermaid? But it came on, I was like, well, I'm just here all the time, so may as well watch this. And I went, oh my God. She falls in love with the prince,
Starting point is 00:22:16 and because of that, she has to lose her voice. But by the end, she gets her voice back. Gets her voice back. And this is what happened here. You feel like you got your voice back. When Oprah said that, did we all roll our eyes? No. We said, oh my God, she's so right.
Starting point is 00:22:36 Perhaps the most famous book ever written about children's stories is The Uses of Enchantment by Bruno Bettelheim. He says that fairy tales teach children that, quote, a struggle against severe difficulties in life is unavoidable, is an intrinsic part of human existence, but that if one does not shy away, but steadfastly meets unexpected and often unjust hardships, one masters all obstacles,
Starting point is 00:23:02 and at the end emerges victorious. End quote. Fairy tales matter. But who tells most of our fairy tales now? Disney. And what's the problem with Disney? They've gotten sloppy. If I were prosecuting Disney for moral sloppiness, here is where I would begin.
Starting point is 00:23:37 I ain't talking, rabbit. And ain't nothing you can do to make me. I some. Exhibit A. Disney's Zootopia. PG rating, family comedy from 2016. Zootopia is all about a world of animals. Starring a rabbit police officer,
Starting point is 00:24:00 Judy Hopps. Couldn't be cuter, right? Except for this moment near the end of the movie, where Hopps needs to find out a crucial bit of information about a criminal conspiracy. She has a shrew named Mr. Big use one of his enforcers, a polar bear, to interrogate a weasel named Duke. The polar bear holds Duke over an icy pit
Starting point is 00:24:22 and threatens to throw him down the hole to his death if he doesn't confess. Ice this weasel. All right, all right, please. I'll talk, I'll talk. That's torture, right? Even worse, the weasel gives up the info right away. So the movie is modeling something that isn't even true in the real world. There is no empirical support for the notion that the application of coercive force is the most efficient way to get a confession out of a reluctant party, even if that reluctant party is a weasel.
Starting point is 00:25:01 Okay, Exhibit B. Toy Story 3, Family Comedy, G-Rating, 2010. Another Disney movie, which is full of all sorts of excruciating scenes of one sort or another, like when Mr. Potato Head gets locked in a sandbox, or another scene where a plastic rotary phone is viciously beaten to the point where he divulges critical information to the evil Lotso. You lost, little doggy? Well, well, look who's back.
Starting point is 00:25:40 I'm sorry, cowboy. They broke me. They broke me. They broke me. It's a G rating. It isn't just Disney, by the way. There's a kind of moral sloppiness everywhere in children's entertainment. One thing I didn't expect was how often torture would be played for humor, which I thought was kind of particularly fascinating.
Starting point is 00:26:05 That's the social scientist Casey Delahunty, who, with Aaron Carnes, actually made a list of every torture scene that occurs in Hollywood's top-grossing movies between 2008 and 2017. The SpongeBob movie has some really good examples of this, where they have a whole scene where they torture a tire and it's meant to be played for humor.
Starting point is 00:26:28 What do we have here? We better hurry. Those guys really hate tires. So you won't talk, huh? Let some air out of them. And then later they find that they've actually tortured the anthropomorphic computer. But even that scene is all just jokes.
Starting point is 00:26:50 Like, what would it be like to torture a computer? It's legitimately funny, but also disconcerting. You think? So, back to Laura Beth Nielsen one more time. Her field of study is lay perceptions of the law. How do ordinary people don't say oh well it's a combination of John Stuart Mill and Benjamin Franklin's writings and they have these sort of lay conceptions which aren't right or wrong but they motivate action and they make up what we think of as fair and just and what the appropriate role of the state should be, which is, I mean, that's the whole question of law. This is what she studies.
Starting point is 00:27:53 And then one day she's sitting on a couch with her boys at the moment that they are in that critical window of moral development. She watches for the millionth time as Ariel signs the scroll. And Nielsen says, wait a minute. The point of the law is that it's supposed to avoid conflict. It's supposed to embody a sense of what's right, not enshrine an outrageously exploitative deal in which a minor gives up a body part, makes themselves liable for a lifetime
Starting point is 00:28:25 of underwater slavery, and needs to be bailed out by an armed posse. Did you intervene? Did you stop the tape and say, look, boys, just so we're clear, you didn't? Well, wait a minute, why not? Oh, well, we've talked about it since. I wouldn't stop it right then. They would, do you have kids? They would have a meltdown. The point is, if you're Laura Beth Nielsen and worry about these sorts of things, Disney films are tricky.
Starting point is 00:28:57 How quickly after they watched the movie did you discuss the movie as a problematic narrative with them? Did you wait for yours or did you? Oh, no. Well, no, I talked to them at an age-appropriate level at various points in time. I probably said it's too bad that they couldn't work this out another way.
Starting point is 00:29:20 I didn't say, that's an unconscionable contract. Don't you remember Batsakis v. DeMotsis from Lost? You know, but I, you know, something like that. And then. In that moment, you describe what the movie is telling the viewer is that the law is all powerful. Not even Triton, who later in the movie can transform his own daughter from a mermaid into a human being. That's how powerful. He's basically God.
Starting point is 00:29:47 He is God. But can he overturn an immoral contract? Not a chance, right? Yeah. Not a chance. Remember, at the end of the movie, Ariel and Triton and Prince Eric don't arrest Ursula. They don't initiate some kind of formal proceedings against her. They don't try her in court. They don't make use of the same legal mechanisms that Ursula. They don't initiate some kind of formal proceedings against her. They don't try her in
Starting point is 00:30:05 court. They don't make use of the same legal mechanisms that Ursula did. In the internal logic of the film, the reason why Triton can't break the contract is that Triton doesn't control the law. The law is entirely controlled by this mobster, Ursula. And he's outmaneuvered. Yeah. So, you know, the evil people can take the law and do these things with it. And maybe you could have fought it at some point or another. But once the deal is done, it's unbreakable. How does this whole thing ultimately get resolved? Eric pursues Ursula with his ship and kills her.
Starting point is 00:30:50 The Little Mermaid is a vigilante picture. It's an animated Dirty Harry movie. They might as well have had Clint Eastwood play Prince Eric. Law is often presented as either, you know, ineffective, completely irrelevant, or negative, right, or bad. Something that the bad guys use. And then what tends to solve the problem is violence. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:18 Either mob violence or, in this case, you know, it's Ursula gets killed by a ship, really. Yeah, impaled. Yes, she gets impaled by the bow of a... All the Freudian scholars writing about Little Mermaid refer to it as a phallic impalement. Oh my gosh, the gender stuff on this movie. You can read it forever. And we will. In upcoming episodes,
Starting point is 00:31:43 you'll hear from a neuroscientist turned literary theorist who will help us decode the hidden meaning of the Little Mermaid narrative. A big-name Hollywood casting agent will stop by to sort through the show's characters. And, best of all, in an act of massive revisionist history, chutzpah, I prevail upon a high-end Hollywood screenwriter to reimagine the movie. Malcolm, I used to tie my ankles with, like, sweat socks and then jump into the pool so that I could, you know, swim with my feet tied together like the Little Mermaid. Coming up next week, Brit Marling dives deep, deep into the underworld. Barton, original scoring by Luis Guerra, mastering by Flan Williams, and engineering by Martine Gonzalez, fact-checking by Amy Gaines. Our voice actor in this episode was Melina Rose. Special
Starting point is 00:32:53 thanks to the Pushkin crew, Hedda Fane, Carly Migliore, Maya Koenig, Daniela Lacan, Maggie Taylor, Eric Sandler, Nicole Morano, Jason Gambrell, and of course, Jacob Weisberg. I'm Malcolm Gladwell. Don't forget my latest book, The Bomber Mafia, which is an expansion of several episodes from the last season of Revisionist History. You can find it wherever books are sold, but buy the audiobook at BomberMafia.com and you'll get a bonus listener's guide and you can listen in the podcast app you're using now.

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