Revisionist History - Little Mermaid Part 3: Honestly Ever After

Episode Date: August 2, 2021

Revisionist History presents: The Little Mermaid...our way. The grand finale of our three-part series. Featuring the voices of Jodie Foster, Glenn Close, Dax Shepard, Brit Marling, and many more. Lea...rn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Pushkin She hoists herself out of the sea, scales the side of the ship toward the deck. The final bars of canon in D float down from above as Ariel ascends. Do you, Prince Eric, take Ursula to have and to hold in sickness and in health for as long as you both shall live? Ariel throws one leg over the starboard railing. The guests, enraptured by the perfection of the bride and groom, don't even notice her arrival. Eric looks deep into Ursula's eyes, hypnotized. I do.
Starting point is 00:00:59 My name is Malcolm Gladwell. You're listening to Revisionist History, my podcast about things overlooked and misunderstood. This episode is the third and final part of our investigation into the Walt Disney Company's 1989 princess blockbuster, The Little Mermaid. In parts one and two, we told you what was wrong with the movie. In this part three, Revisionist History brings you our production of The Little Mermaid,
Starting point is 00:01:35 a version finally fit for your children. Allow me to reintroduce you to the creative force behind our version of The Little Mermaid, the actor and screenwriter, Britt Marling. We met her in the previous episode, where I asked her to reimagine a better ending for The Little Mermaid, to identify precisely where Disney went wrong and fix it. Look, there's something very true at the center of The Little Mermaid, and that's what makes it sticky, both the Hans version and the animated version that came from Disney. And the sticky thing at the center is that
Starting point is 00:02:17 women do often lose their voices at around that age. And so any myth that doesn't have something true at the center, you know, just fades away. It doesn't really last the test of time. But a myth that gets something right will stick around. In both the original Hans Christian Andersen version of The Little Mermaid and in the Disney version, The Little Mermaid must surrender her voice to the sea witch in order to participate in the real world. To get to a true happy ending, you have to acknowledge that the tear in the story is maybe correct, right? That it functions as a cautionary tale.
Starting point is 00:02:55 Young women sometimes do lose their voices. And that tear or that point of no return promises an obligatory scene. And the obligatory scene is, well, how does she get her voice back? Does she get her voice back? What does she say when she has her voice back? And on those counts, the Disney version really fails to inspire a genuine happy ending about how a young woman might get her voice back and then what she might do with it.
Starting point is 00:03:24 Someone just randomly gives her voice back. Like, did she go to the lost and found that it happened to be there? I mean, it's about as unsatisfying as that. I mean, I went back and rewatched it, Malcolm, because I was like, it can't be as bad as I think it is. But it's worse. She's standing on the dock,
Starting point is 00:03:43 watching the wedding ship go out into the sunset, knowing that Eric is about to marry this princess, and when the sun sets, she'll be turned into this algae creature that's a lost soul in, like, Ursula's Garden of Lost Souls under the sea. So she's crestfallen, and she's standing there. And then Scuttle, the seagull, comes flapping, you know what I mean? And he's like, oh my my gosh I looked through the portal window and it's Ursula who's marrying Prince Eric and Ariel flings herself off the dock lands in
Starting point is 00:04:11 the water and she can't swim so then like not only does flounder have to drag her to the boat on the back of a barrel but then when she gets up onto the deck she's standing there and it's scuttle the seagull that goes and gets the shell off Ursula's neck, throws it on the floor and it just happens to land where she's standing and she just happens to reabsorb her voice through literally no agency
Starting point is 00:04:36 of her own. Brit believed that the Little Mermaid could only be saved with a completely new kind of Ariel. But who could play her? I called up Avey Kaufman, one of the top casting directors in Hollywood. I sent her Brit's script, and I asked her to find us someone to embody the spirit of a teenager, a mermaid teenager, but one with a certain amount of moxie, edge. So, you know, in thinking about child actors and Jodi and people we love,
Starting point is 00:05:15 I think Jodi could have done that. Jodi being Jodi Foster. Jodi Foster, who famously played an FBI agent in Silence of the Lambs, and long before that, a child prostitute in Martin Scorsese's Taxi Driver. Why do you want me to go back to my parents? I mean, they hate me. Why do you think I split in the first place? There ain't nothing there. Yeah, but you can't live like this.
Starting point is 00:05:44 It's a hell. Girls should live at home. Didn't you ever hear of women's lib? Yes, that Jodie Foster. That's where we're going with this. We're thinking that the young Jodie Foster ought to play a Disney princess. Yeah, Jodie could have done that, believably. Believably. And Jodie's kind of like that. She's got that toughness inside that's surrounded by the big heart. And the intelligence you're talking about.
Starting point is 00:06:17 And she has the intelligence. We would believe that she could make that leap. Jodie could do it. There you go. The young Jodie Foster could not have been Walt Disney's Ariel, not in a million years. No. Bat her eyelashes and let someone else save her. Are you kidding me? No. She wouldn't have taken the role because she wouldn't have had a clue what to do with it. She would have said, are you sure you're not looking for another J. Foster? No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did we ask Jodie Foster to play our Ariel? To join the Pushkin
Starting point is 00:06:48 players? Did she say yes? Let me answer that with another question. Have we at Revisionist History ever let you down? As a child in England, I grew up hearing the BBC program Listen With Mother, every episode of which opened with, Are you sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin. You've all been patient, all of you. You have listened as we have taken swing after swing at the bloated piñata that is the original Little Mermaid.
Starting point is 00:07:21 It's time to raise the curtain. Are you sitting comfortably? Then let's begin. We're in the story's final act. Ariel had hoped to win the heart of the handsome Prince Eric. Marrying him was the only way she could stay a human. But the prince has chosen to marry another woman, who is actually the sea witch Ursula in disguise. The soon-to-be newlyweds are on a boat, there are guests, music, dancing, all manner of merriment, and into this spectacle comes our badass Ariel. So with that, may I present The Little Mermaid 2.0,
Starting point is 00:08:00 written and narrated by Britt Marling. Ariel grabs onto a portal window. She hoists herself out of the sea, scales the side of the ship toward the deck. The final bars of Canon Indy float down from above as Ariel ascends. Do you, Prince Eric, take Ursula to have and to hold in sickness and in health for as long as you both shall live? Ariel throws one leg over
Starting point is 00:08:35 the starboard railing. The guests, enraptured by the perfection of the bride and groom, don't even notice her arrival. Eric looks deep into Ursula's eyes, hypnotized. I do. And do you, Ursula, take
Starting point is 00:08:51 Prince Eric? Ariel, soaking wet, wreathed in seaweed, red in the face, charges forward, leaps onto the stage, heads right for the couple to be like a charging bull. The guests gasp at this invasion. A scorned woman come to sabotage the wedding?
Starting point is 00:09:09 To throw Eric's fiancé overboard? Ariel barrels forward, arms outstretched, and just when it seems like Ariel might strike Ursula, she collides with her in an embrace full of feeling. The guests' jaws drop. God in heaven! Ursula, shocked, disgusted, lets the mask of perfect bride slip, her true voice laced with bitterness. Get off me, you fool!
Starting point is 00:09:43 Ursula tries to extricate herself from Ariel's arms, but Ariel holds on with a strength of heart impossible to unravel. Ursula! You're strong. Oh, Ariel, what are you doing? Everyone looks on in shock at this truly bizarre scene. One woman hugging another woman who wriggles, squirms, fights to escape this embrace but cannot break it, and also seems to not really want to.
Starting point is 00:10:07 The force of Ariel's kindness gains the power of actual magic, and the shell around Ursula's neck that holds Ariel's voice begins to glow, hum, tug away from Ursula as if possessed, and move toward Ariel. Stop! Stop! Stop, I say! But Ariel doesn't stop. By the heat of Ariel's love, Ursula begins to transform back into her original form. Her slender limbs morph into thick barnacle-covered tentacles. Her wedding dress bursts at the seams to reveal her sea-slick octopus body.
Starting point is 00:10:40 A woman in the audience screams shrilly. Good God! Disgusting! What is she? Children cower under their seats. Grown men back away in horror. Eric stumbles and nearly falls over. Oh. Oh. I almost married an octopus. But Ariel doesn't
Starting point is 00:10:58 stop hugging this creature, this being that everyone else is so revolted by. The force of Ariel's feeling compels her own voice out of the shell around Ursula's neck. The light of that voice slips its prism and hovers in midair a moment. The audience gasps.
Starting point is 00:11:16 The priest faints. The light floats into Ariel's open mouth. And then she sings in a voice as radiant as a sun that breaks a summer storm. Eric, realizing it was, in fact, Ariel who rescued him, rushes forward to her. Ariel? It was you! It was you all along! Duh!
Starting point is 00:11:47 Too little too late, Eric. And honestly, Eric was not really the point and never has been. Errol's arms still wrap Ursula who, in spite of herself, leans into the embrace. Errol turns back to Ursula and says softly into her ear, You hurt me, But I understand why you hurt me. What do you know, you idiotic, doe-eyed teenager? I know
Starting point is 00:12:14 that you were kicked out of the kingdom by my family. I know you were left in the dark part of the ocean to die alone. And I know you have suffered greatly. I know you made me and many others suffer greatly. All I have is the art of cruelty. All I have is your hate. Everyone's hate. I don't hate you, Ursula. Ursula scoffs at this. But her eyes go wide with feeling. No one has said a kind word to Ursula in years.
Starting point is 00:12:48 And in time, understanding you better and why you've done the things you've done, I could maybe even love you. Ursula cries out as if bitten by those words. For a moment, in Ariel's embrace, we see Ursula as the magic of Ariel's empathy allows Ariel to see her. Ursula at Ariel's age, 16, the age before Ursula's heart was broken. She's open, full of vigor and young magic, curious and alive like Ariel is. Had they met at this age, they might have been best friends, They might even have been lovers. The two young women regard each other a moment. You've taught me the power of my voice.
Starting point is 00:13:33 I could actually even thank you for that. Ursula weeps now like the teenager she is in Ariel's eyes. Unbidden, unstoppable tears. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Ariel looks to Ursula now, still holding Ursula's hands. It's okay. Someone hurt you, just like you hurt me. And I think I know who it was. The sky has darkened, and the sea froths now in anger.
Starting point is 00:14:14 Waves rock the craft. The guests hold on to their hats in a sudden, fierce wind. Eric grabs a sword off a nearby guard in fear. On guard! Ariel lets go of Ursula's hands in surprise, and Ursula becomes her true age again just as King Triton emerges from the ocean. Huge, bearing his
Starting point is 00:14:33 trident and riding an enormous wave toward the ship. An army of spear-wielding mermen behind him. Ursula! His voice booms like thunder. Stay away from my daughter! Triton looms over the ship now like a giant. I was too kind when I banished you from the kingdom. I should have destroyed you.
Starting point is 00:14:58 Triton lifts his trident high. It sparks with electricity drawn from the sky. He aims that laser beam of death toward Ursula, who, suffused with love, has no ready counterattack. No! Ariel shouts powerfully. She throws herself in harm's way to protect Ursula. You kept me and my sisters prisoner in the castle. You exiled Ursula from family, friends, safety, because she dared to practice magic, and you wanted to be the only one with such power.
Starting point is 00:15:34 But I have magic too, Father. We all have magic. And then, Errol begins to use the power of her voice, which is real magic, to sing. It's so hypnotic and so true that the sea begins to calm under her spell, and the anger surging in the bodies of the Merman soldiers begins to dissipate. Ursula looks to Ariel in wonder and joins her song, a lower note, in perfect harmony. As Ursula sings, the lost souls of her garden shake free from the terrible purgatory of her old spells. They swim to the surface as merpeople once again and sing with the passion of the newly freed. Citizen merpeople, drawn to the sound of real freedom, break the surface of the sea and sing too.
Starting point is 00:16:22 Sebastian and Flounder sing. Even Scuttle sings, a little off-key, but committed. Altogether, they make the most beautiful music human ears have ever heard. Eric weeps from the sound. Beautiful. So do many of his wedding guests, who have not allowed their hearts to become too hardened to life. Some of them, the brave ones, begin to sing too.
Starting point is 00:16:51 The music travels so far and so wide that even townspeople on land begin unconsciously humming this melody they've never heard before, but feel they have known always. The clouds part, the setting sun is round and pink, birds land happily on the shoulder of Triton, and this big, proud, vain old king cannot help but be moved by his young daughter and her magic to unite across genders, across generations, across species. Triton looks at Ariel with tears of humiliation mixed with tears of awe Ariel stands on the edge of the balcony level with him Dad, you don't need to be the most powerful
Starting point is 00:17:33 To be the most loved Triton's eyes widen at the wisdom of her youth A tear or two falls from his eyes I'm sorry, Ariel I've not been a very good listener. Can we begin again? Ariel nods and embraces her dad over the railing. And now the sun finally sets. Ursula's old spell wears off. Ariel transforms into a mermaid once more. The guests have no reaction at this point.
Starting point is 00:18:10 They've really seen it all. Ariel laughs as her legs morph into a powerful fin. Eric drops down to her side. Hey, I mean, thank you. You, like, saved my life. Ariel smiles at him. Don't mention it.
Starting point is 00:18:26 All she really wanted was a thank you. It may be all any of us ever really want. Ariel turns to Ursula. Hey, shall we go home? Ursula nods. Yes. Let's go. They take each other's hands. And jump.
Starting point is 00:19:04 Let's take a moment to discuss our revised and greatly improved ending to The Little Mermaid. First of all, to any executives of the Walt Disney Company who happen to be listening, please feel free to use our ending in the remake of The Little Mermaid that I understand you're working on. Go right ahead. Ariel and Ursula deserve a better fate than you have given them for the past 30 years. Speaking of Ursula, did you recognize that voice? Did you figure out who we got to play this most critical of roles? Get off me, you fool!
Starting point is 00:19:39 We couldn't use just anyone in the role, because Ursula is not a two-dimensional villain anymore. We're not murdering her off. We're redeeming her. Britt's point was, why is she even the villain in the first place? It's just that who do young women lose their voices to? Not really wise old women living on the edge of town, right? Like that's not the culprit of who takes women's voices from them. And so I think that's the problem you're contending with at the end, which is like, the idea of a witch is a kind of smokescreen that prevents us from thinking about where the forces of antagonism against
Starting point is 00:20:21 women actually lie. So Ursula has to be played by someone who can do more than a garden variety witch. So how old is Ursula? Like, you know, get off me. No, I think you get off me. I think you could play her older for sure. Because that's sort of the trope, the older witch on the edge of town kind of thing. Okay. All right. That's Brit directing Glenn Close. We got Glenn Close. Of course we did. It was only right to have Disney's 1996 Cruella de Vil returning as Revisionist History's 2021 Ursula. Now, what about Prince Eric?
Starting point is 00:21:04 Brit and I had a long planning session on the Eric problem. He is a completely cardboard figure who only is allowed to have any kind of meaningful role when he kills somebody. Oh, oh, Malcolm, I love that. Yes, I love that. We're doing a lot of talking right now about the ways in which we need to liberate women through stories, but we should also do a lot of talking about the ways in which we need to liberate men. We didn't need a murderous vigilante anymore. We needed a liberated man. I almost married an octopus. Did you recognize that voice? The embodiment of male liberation, the actor, comedian, podcaster extraordinaire, Dax Shepard. Here he is during our taping,
Starting point is 00:21:53 taking direction from our producer, Leeming Gistu. Oh, I kind of wanted you to do it kind of like a clueless himbo, you know what I mean? Tell me what a himbo is and I and i'll himbo is the male version of it exactly exactly male version of a what bimbo oh a bimbo okay ariel what what are you doing oh ariel what are you doing oh that was great thank you as for King Triton the King is played by Ethan Hirschenfeld
Starting point is 00:22:33 stand-up comic actor and former opera singer which was a delight for our in-house musical genius Luis Guerra it's a little more
Starting point is 00:22:42 urban feeling you know what I mean urban I can kind of do because I grew up in the Bronx, but it was Riverdale. So you're hearing the Riverdale part of the Bronx. It sounds awesome. So, Dax Shepard, Jodie Foster, Glenn Close, Ethan Hirschenfeld. I mean, all-star cast. Triton lifts his trident high.
Starting point is 00:23:04 It sparks with electricity drawn from the sky He aims that laser beam of death toward Ursula Who, suffused with love, has no ready counterattack No! Ariel shouts powerfully To me, the most beautiful moment in your new ending is When Ariel throws her body in the line of her father's trident to save ursula right she will sacrifice herself on the behalf of someone who
Starting point is 00:23:35 was hitherto in the plot being seen as irredeemable that somebody would sacrifice someone in good standing would sacrifice themselves for someone good standing. Would sacrifice themselves. For someone who is conceived of as irredeemable. The princess, the heir to the throne, the beautiful whatever, would sacrifice everything for the sake of a witch, of an outcast. Which feels so right because the witch has been miscast from the beginning, right? I mean, I think cruelty was done to Ursula and it made her cruel. And I believe that Ursula could actually be redeemed and that all it really takes is one person in an act of tremendous bravery and kindness. I mean, that's the thing that I keep thinking about these days is how can you dramatize the strength of kindness? Like we just don't really believe in kindness as a culture anymore. We think it's soft. We think it's weak. We think it's not serious, but that just doesn't feel right to me. I mean, it feels like there has to be a way to dramatize it as actually this incredibly sharp, pointed, powerful thing. Disney's Little Mermaid instructs little girls to think about themselves.
Starting point is 00:24:57 Brit Marling wants little girls to think about someone other than themselves. The outcast living at the bottom of the sea, who also deserves a chance at happiness. One last thing, the most amazing gift of all. Britt Marling wrote a final scene. She said we didn't have to use it. I disagree. Here it is.
Starting point is 00:25:33 Ariel's Coda. Ex-deer shipwreck. Kingdom under the sea. Ariel swims through a shipwreck joined by Flounder and other mer-teens. They dart in and out of the wreckage, digging into old trunks, rooting out human treasure. So that's the story of the only wedding I ever crashed. I still go on land, but not for Eric.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Exterior countryside day. Ariel gallops across an open field on the back of a horse. They leap a fence together. By day, I explore distant lands, far-off kingdoms, ancient forests. I learn so much from the people I meet. And the gazelles, the trees, the sunflowers, the rainstorms. Ariel scales a 500-year-old tree with two other teenagers. They laugh as they race to the top.
Starting point is 00:26:30 By night, by my own magic, I return to the sea. Ariel walks into the ocean under the light of a full yellow moon. Her legs morph into a fin as she reaches the first big wave. She dives under. Fish, merpeople, crabs, octopi, all manner of sea life gather around a warm, bubbling sea vent. Ariel sings to them of her travels while Sebastian conducts a small orchestra in accompaniment. I sing stories of the places I've been, the kindness I've encountered, the danger I've defied, the times I've had to apologize, the times I've been apologized to. And there was finally a wedding that went off without a hitch.
Starting point is 00:27:18 It just wasn't my wedding. Interior, Great Hall. Palace, kingdom under the sea. All the merpeople decked out in their finest pearls and corals for a lavish wedding. But it's Triton standing before the pulpit. He lifts the veil of his bride-to-be. It's Ursula. There's still a sharp look in Ursula's eye, but the sharp of wisdom, not of cunning. She smiles, shocked to be met late in life by such happiness.
Starting point is 00:27:50 Ariel, a bridesmaid amongst her sisters, beams. It turns out that most of Ursula's bitter potions had come from an early heartbreak. My father. Do you, Ursula, take King Triton to heaven, to home? Oh, I do, I do, I do, I do. King Triton and Queen Ursula kiss. And Eric? Eric's married, too.
Starting point is 00:28:17 And happily. Eric walks down the palace steps, arms slung around his husband, Tom, the town veterinarian. Twelve enormous, fluffy sheepdogs race around at their feet. I know. They're not like us. They don't get it. Eric says it's too weird to eat fish, after a fish woman saved his life and he almost married a giant octopus. So the kingdom has gone vegetarian. I don't care if they bake it, steam it, or fry it. I'd rather die. Eric and Tom are encouraging other kingdoms to do the same in the face of the climate emergency.
Starting point is 00:28:52 And it will make you die. And the planet. I think he's going to make a fine king one day. Ariel sits at a round table with Eric, Tom, and a bunch of other townspeople. It is not a posh, silent meal at a ridiculously long table for almost no one. It's a feast for many. They pass bowls of food and break off chunks of bread. They eat with their hands and sometimes talk with their mouths full. The hall is filled with rowdy laughter and sometimes tears as people tell each other what's on their minds and in their hearts
Starting point is 00:29:26 and what they hope for the future. And so we lived. Not always happily, but certainly more honestly than we ever had before. The End The End The Visionist History is produced by Mia Lobel, Lee Mengistu, and Jacob Smith, with Eloise Linton and Anunnaim. Our editor is Julia Barton, mastering by Flan Williams,
Starting point is 00:30:16 and engineering by Martine Gonzalez. Fact-checking by Amy Gaines. Special thanks to all those who lent their voice to The Little Mermaid 2.0. Our actors And our singers And an especially warm thanks Talia Guerra, Ethan Hirschenfeld, Khalil Sabah, Samaya Sabah, and Ginger Smith. And an especially
Starting point is 00:30:48 warm thanks to two people. First, our composer extraordinaire, Luis Guerra, who all by himself matched and actually exceeded the armies of sound people in multi-million dollar orchestral halls at Walt
Starting point is 00:31:04 Disney Headquarters. And second, my old friend Britt Marlin, who stormed the walls of the Disney Fortress and liberated Ariel and Ursula from 30 years of wrongful imprisonment. Special thanks also to the Pushkin crew, Hedda Fane, Carly Migliore, Maya Koenig, Daniela Lacan,
Starting point is 00:31:25 Maggie Taylor, Eric Sandler, Nicole Morano, Jason Gambrell, and of course, El Jefe, our very own King Triton, Jacob Westbrook,
Starting point is 00:31:36 and Martin Bracknell. Don't forget my latest book, The Bomber Mafia, which is an expansion of several episodes from the last season of Revisionist History. You can find it wherever books are sold, but buy the audiobook at BomberMafia.com and you'll get a bonus listener's guide and you can listen in the podcast app you're using now.

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