Revisionist History - The Alabama Murders - Part 6: The Porterfield Sessions
Episode Date: October 30, 2025Manhattan, NY December. 2022. What do you do, after the state has tried to execute you, but failed? Kenny Smith’s legal team calls Kate Porterfield. A psychologist who specializes in trauma. Ge...t early, ad-free access to the full season of The Alabama Murders by subscribing to Pushkin+ on Apple Podcasts or Pushkin.fm. Pushkin+ subscribers can access ad-free episodes, full audiobooks, exclusive binges, and bonus content for all Pushkin shows. Subscribe on Apple: apple.co/pushkinSubscribe on Pushkin: pushkin.com/plusSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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                                        Previously on revisionist history.
                                         
                                        He was taken out of his cell, thinking that his execution was imminent, strapped to a gurney,
                                         
                                        and he's asking, you know, the corrections officers who are with them, what's going on?
                                         
                                        You know, an anesthesiologist in good standing is not going to spend their Wednesdays
                                         
                                        over at the, you know, state corrections, sticking IVs in people for execution.
                                         
                                        It's not something that we do.
                                         
                                        Because a cold-blooded, convicted killer complains about the prodding and poking of a small IV
                                         
    
                                        line. Really? Potting and poking with a needle. After three and a half or four hours being
                                         
                                        strapped to a gurney, you know, he was unable to stand, walk, unbuttoned his shirt,
                                         
                                        you know, change his clothes, do any of that without assistance.
                                         
                                        They attempted to kill him on November 17th.
                                         
                                        His lawyers called me, I think 10 days later.
                                         
                                        I didn't know them.
                                         
                                        They didn't know me.
                                         
                                        And they said, you know, we have a client who's had this thing happen.
                                         
    
                                        He's really struggling.
                                         
                                        Would you take a look at him?
                                         
                                        I'm going to talk to him.
                                         
                                        In the months after his botched execution, Kenny Smith had a confidant,
                                         
                                        Kate Porterfield, a psychologist.
                                         
                                        psychologist who specializes in trauma.
                                         
                                        She has consulted on dozens of death row cases in her career,
                                         
                                        spent a lot of time at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay,
                                         
    
                                        worked for years treating patients at the clinic for torture victims at Bellevue
                                         
                                        Hospital in Manhattan.
                                         
                                        A very good friend of mine, Stephen, knows her well,
                                         
                                        and told me one day, you have to meet my friend Kate.
                                         
                                        She has the strangest job in America.
                                         
                                        So I called her up, and we began to talk,
                                         
                                        with no real plan or agenda
                                         
                                        and in one of our conversations
                                         
    
                                        she told me about a case that I'd never heard about before
                                         
                                        and a person she'd been asked to evaluate
                                         
                                        who had affected her deeply.
                                         
                                        Kenny Smith
                                         
                                        That's how I learned about the murder of Elizabeth Senate.
                                         
                                        Everything in this series began with my conversations
                                         
                                        with Cape Porterfield.
                                         
                                        So tell me about your first visit with Kenny.
                                         
    
                                        So my first contact with him was a call, actually.
                                         
                                        It was remarkably pleasant.
                                         
                                        Kenny was a very resilient man.
                                         
                                        He had been on death row for 34 years.
                                         
                                        This was a man used to living on death row and used to being in prison.
                                         
                                        And one of the things he said to me is, you know, he used to call me Doc.
                                         
                                        He'd say, Doc, I am very institutionalized.
                                         
                                        I know how to do this.
                                         
    
                                        I've made a life here.
                                         
                                        I have a very good set of friends here.
                                         
                                        and I've really good relationships on the outside.
                                         
                                        He had been married.
                                         
                                        He had children from before he went in,
                                         
                                        and he had relationships with his children.
                                         
                                        So he said to me,
                                         
                                        I'm very institutionalized.
                                         
    
                                        I've been through a lot,
                                         
                                        but I'm actually pretty stable.
                                         
                                        And he said,
                                         
                                        but I'm falling apart right now from what happened.
                                         
                                        I mean, I think now what I think is he was signaling to me,
                                         
                                        I'm pretty sturdy, but this really messed me up.
                                         
                                        Kate Porterfield would end up spending many hours with Kenny Smith over the next year,
                                         
                                        talking to him on the phone, visiting him at home and prison,
                                         
    
                                        trying to understand what happened to him in that execution chamber on the night of November 17th, 2022,
                                         
                                        trying to figure out how damaged he'd been by the experience,
                                         
                                        writing an assessment of his condition that could be used by his legal team in court,
                                         
                                        and most of all, just trying to understand who he was.
                                         
                                        My name is Malcolm Gladwell.
                                         
                                        You're listening to the Alabama murders.
                                         
                                        In this installment, I want to look at Kenny Smith
                                         
                                        through the eyes of Cape Waterfield
                                         
    
                                        to see the Kenny Smith that she saw
                                         
                                        in those many encounters between the end of 2022
                                         
                                        and the long winter of 2023.
                                         
                                        This is episode six.
                                         
                                        The Porterfield Sessions
                                         
                                        In my third conversation with Cape Porterfield,
                                         
                                        well before we got to Kenny Smith,
                                         
                                        she told me about a patient she'd seen many years ago.
                                         
    
                                        An older man, this is when she was working at the torture clinic at Bellevue.
                                         
                                        He was a refugee from a war-torn country.
                                         
                                        He'd been imprisoned, tortured,
                                         
                                        and at one point he had been subjected to a mock execution.
                                         
                                        He had been made to believe by his captors that he was about to die.
                                         
                                        So this was probably the first person I ever worked with who had had a mock execution,
                                         
                                        and it is its own unimaginable horror that leaves a really, really bad physical, physiological, rather imprint.
                                         
                                        Her goal was to gently push him back towards his traumatic experience,
                                         
    
                                        to better understand and to help him.
                                         
                                        He was very rigid,
                                         
                                        and he would sit just really tightly wound in the sessions,
                                         
                                        really gripping the chair,
                                         
                                        and he didn't want to go there.
                                         
                                        It took a very long time to draw him out.
                                         
                                        She would go on to work with five or six other patients
                                         
                                        who had gone through something similar.
                                         
    
                                        A gun they thought was loaded, put to their head,
                                         
                                        I'm only to realize it was empty, being held underwater almost long enough,
                                         
                                        and even in one case, being left in a cage with a lion.
                                         
                                        She came to believe that this kind of experience deserved its own category.
                                         
                                        Why is a mock execution uniquely damaging?
                                         
                                        Let me say it this way.
                                         
                                        When someone says you're about to die, you're terrified, and terror doesn't even capture it.
                                         
                                        Most people lose control in some part of their body, maybe their bladder or bowel.
                                         
    
                                        You know, there's usually incredible exclaiming of horror.
                                         
                                        You know, it's not good to think you're about to die.
                                         
                                        I mean, I've seen six people or whatever try to describe it to me, and they all fall apart.
                                         
                                        It's like I've never had someone to say it the first time and not really fall apart, like collapse.
                                         
                                        And different ways.
                                         
                                        I had a guy who had been kidnapped and the soldiers came in and said, if we don't get the ransom, you know, we're going to kill you.
                                         
                                        And then they came in the next day and they had a gun and they put it.
                                         
                                        to his head. This man was the most
                                         
    
                                        put together
                                         
                                        disciplined, you know,
                                         
                                        kind of controlled guy
                                         
                                        and when he tried to tell
                                         
                                        that moment, he just fell
                                         
                                        down in his chair and grabbed his head
                                         
                                        and he was like, my head's hurting, my head's hurt, I can't,
                                         
                                        I can't. There's just this incredible
                                         
    
                                        physiological, you know,
                                         
                                        probably hormonal dump into his
                                         
                                        system of the same
                                         
                                        thing that happened, you know,
                                         
                                        when the mock execution took place.
                                         
                                        So essentially,
                                         
                                        What trauma does is it becomes imprinted in your body
                                         
                                        and your memory banks are then linked and hooked up with the fear reaction.
                                         
    
                                        So that's the problem. It's a bad linkage.
                                         
                                        And so when you think about being told, I'm about to kill you,
                                         
                                        and then you try to tell it, your body just goes.
                                         
                                        It goes right into that state of terror.
                                         
                                        This is the first thing that Kate Porterfield saw when she sat down with Kenny Smith,
                                         
                                        that he was in that special category.
                                         
                                        But his experience, in some ways, was even more overwhelming.
                                         
                                        This was not a mock execution.
                                         
    
                                        It was a botched execution.
                                         
                                        Meaning, it wasn't a trick.
                                         
                                        They were actually intending to execute Kenny.
                                         
                                        They just didn't manage to pull it off.
                                         
                                        And Kate wasn't treating someone years after it had occurred.
                                         
                                        With Kenny Smith, this had just happened.
                                         
                                        This was different.
                                         
                                        You know, this was this very orchestrated, slow.
                                         
    
                                        systematic process being done by these guys all in this room who he knew,
                                         
                                        guys who had been his guards for like some of them.
                                         
                                        Some of them he knew, some he didn't.
                                         
                                        But, you know, guys he's known for a lot of years, trying to kill him.
                                         
                                        Very hard to wrap your brain around.
                                         
                                        How do the guards react?
                                         
                                        You know, I think that he believed they got very rattled.
                                         
                                        And he watched it on their faces, but no one could do anything.
                                         
    
                                        And it's a scary narrative then of what.
                                         
                                        people will do with orders right like i mean there was a point after all these poking of him with needles
                                         
                                        going around his feet his arms where they took the gurney and inverted it upwards with his feet up
                                         
                                        and left him there for i have to look but i think it was upwards of 20 minutes 30 minutes they came back in
                                         
                                        and they trying to get blood to yes so then they started poking on his collarbone so they took this
                                         
                                        man they tipped him upside down so that the blood would rush to a part of his body they came back in
                                         
                                        they injected him with something which he believes and we believe was probably a
                                         
                                        a painkiller, and then they started going on his neck, you know, around his collarbone.
                                         
    
                                        I mean, I'm sorry, but I don't imagine that a person who's doing that and witnessing it
                                         
                                        can walk away from that unscathed themselves.
                                         
                                        Kenny wanted to apologize to the Senate family and say goodbye to his own family, but he was
                                         
                                        all alone with the execution team. He thought they were killing him before the witness
                                         
                                        could get there.
                                         
                                        And he said one of the ways he stayed calm when there was all that dead time was he would
                                         
                                        say to himself, turn to the right to the victim's family and apologize, turn to the left,
                                         
                                        tell my family I love him.
                                         
    
                                        So he had this little practice, to the right, I'm sorry, to the left, I love you.
                                         
                                        And he said that kind of helped him pass the time, which also was like remarkable to me.
                                         
                                        He was thinking, thinking about how you're managing, like how you're going to choreogram.
                                         
                                        They come back in, they begin to untie the tourniquet on his arm, and they say it's over now.
                                         
                                        And then one of the people on the team who he didn't know says to him, it's over, and I'll be praying for you.
                                         
                                        So these kinds of moments for Kenny were just, what's the word?
                                         
                                        unmanageable afterwards.
                                         
                                        They were unmanageable moments with other humans.
                                         
    
                                        One minute they were trying to kill him,
                                         
                                        then they weren't trying to kill him.
                                         
                                        It's very confusing.
                                         
                                        And then the man, you know, references God.
                                         
                                        Kenny's, you know, most core faith, right,
                                         
                                        is his belief in God and his belief that because of his faith,
                                         
                                        you know, he had really been saved.
                                         
                                        not i'm not talking about saved in the execution i'm saying saved is a man you know his faith saved
                                         
    
                                        him so this collision of people trying to kill you your body being in something that we don't
                                         
                                        really understand unless you've had unless you thought you're going to die and then someone
                                         
                                        bringing god in and saying this sort of generous thing i'm going to pray for you it was it like
                                         
                                        the word unmanageable is what i keep come up with he he couldn't grasp it and he couldn't
                                         
                                        He couldn't deal with it after.
                                         
                                        I mean, there were many things that made him distress, but that was one.
                                         
                                        You know, the warden taking his head and saying,
                                         
                                        this is what's best for you, was another.
                                         
    
                                        Kate Porterfield would end up having 17 marathon phone sessions with Kenny Smith,
                                         
                                        and she would twice fly down to Alabama to meet with him in person.
                                         
                                        And after he had told her the story of what happened on November 17th,
                                         
                                        he told her the story of his life in the years leading up to the murder of Elizabeth Senate.
                                         
                                        That's after the break.
                                         
                                        full name was Kenneth Eugene Smith. Both Kenny and his brother Joey were named for their
                                         
                                        father, a truck driver named Wesley Eugene Smith. Did you ever record name in the matter?
                                         
                                        I do. Yeah. Linda Smith, Kenny Smith's mom, still lives in the shoals. She spoke with
                                         
    
                                        Lee Hedspeth, a local reporter who knew Kenny well and covered his case. Has he passed now,
                                         
                                        Gene?
                                         
                                        Oh, yes.
                                         
                                        Yeah, he
                                         
                                        I think he was 45
                                         
                                        when he passed.
                                         
                                        Linda and Gene had five children together
                                         
                                        in quick succession.
                                         
    
                                        Kenny was the eldest.
                                         
                                        He didn't really want a child
                                         
                                        at that point.
                                         
                                        Why do you think that was?
                                         
                                        I just, I don't know.
                                         
                                        I guess he wouldn't
                                         
                                        through with
                                         
                                        his wild oats, I guess.
                                         
    
                                        So tell me about the
                                         
                                        wild oats?
                                         
                                        Not too much of a drinker, more of
                                         
                                        like pills. Back then, it was kind of
                                         
                                        uppers and downers.
                                         
                                        Jean was on the road a lot.
                                         
                                        He had another relationship.
                                         
                                        Linda says it was with an underage girl.
                                         
    
                                        Gene got her pregnant, but he still came around
                                         
                                        to see Linda, to sleep with her, or just to
                                         
                                        hit her.
                                         
                                        Oh, yeah. He always
                                         
                                        did that, just about.
                                         
                                        When did it start? I mean, not when we first
                                         
                                        started dating. It started
                                         
                                        I guess it started after Keeney was born.
                                         
    
                                        You know, what I think is he was doing stuff
                                         
                                        and he was thinking I was, you know?
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        He was jealous, yeah.
                                         
                                        But I wasn't, you know.
                                         
                                        I had a kid to raise.
                                         
                                        I mean, he would just hit me in the head.
                                         
                                        And I was still about a scar right there
                                         
    
                                        who ate through a bottle at me.
                                         
                                        And right here, it may have been gone now,
                                         
                                        but it would just, you know, hit me,
                                         
                                        knocked me in the floor, just like me.
                                         
                                        Well, see, like I said,
                                         
                                        he thought that I was, you know, out doing stuff and partying.
                                         
                                        And like I said, which I wasn't.
                                         
                                        And can you recall, like, for example, the incident with the bottle?
                                         
    
                                        Can you tell me what happened then?
                                         
                                        Do you remember us?
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        I mean, I didn't know.
                                         
                                        he was coming in that night
                                         
                                        which it didn't matter
                                         
                                        but I was at home
                                         
                                        and a friend of mine from work
                                         
    
                                        was just there with me
                                         
                                        and Kenny was there
                                         
                                        and he just came in
                                         
                                        and he was just in a rage
                                         
                                        that night
                                         
                                        do you remember
                                         
                                        what Kenny's reaction
                                         
                                        would be when that's happening
                                         
    
                                        how old is Kenny around this time
                                         
                                        around that time he's probably
                                         
                                        three or four
                                         
                                        I mean
                                         
                                        it was running
                                         
                                        get up on the couch and sit.
                                         
                                        Him and Joey and just, you know.
                                         
                                        Do you remember anything that Kenny ever said to you
                                         
    
                                        either when the abuse was happening or afterward?
                                         
                                        Yeah, I mean, he would.
                                         
                                        I mean, you know, and hug me and, you know,
                                         
                                        I guess, you know, I guess he was telling me, you know,
                                         
                                        everything would be okay.
                                         
                                        Kenny would draw pictures and give them to his mom.
                                         
                                        At Kenny's sentencing hearing, a series of witnesses testified about Jean's abuse.
                                         
                                        One was a woman who worked as a waitress with Linda.
                                         
    
                                        Jean would come into the restaurant when Linda was working.
                                         
                                        This is what she said.
                                         
                                        Well, he would take what money Linda had made in tips,
                                         
                                        and if she did not make what he thought he needed,
                                         
                                        she would get slapped and beat around right in the restaurant.
                                         
                                        He would walk in and he would tell her he needed to talk to her.
                                         
                                        Well, she would walk off into a private place with him,
                                         
                                        which was around the corner in the hall,
                                         
    
                                        and the next thing you know, you would hear this commotion,
                                         
                                        and he would be beating her.
                                         
                                        He would slap her and he would hit her with his fist.
                                         
                                        I have seen him back her up in the corner and just beating her,
                                         
                                        and I have seen her when her pocket would be torn on the uniform
                                         
                                        where he had taken the money out of it.
                                         
                                        Question.
                                         
                                        and how often would he come around? Answer,
                                         
    
                                        well, at least three, two to three times a week that happened.
                                         
                                        He always made a point to hit her around the eyes.
                                         
                                        The fifth of the children Linda and Jean had together was Michael,
                                         
                                        who died a few hours after birth.
                                         
                                        His lungs never developed.
                                         
                                        In testimony, Kenny's brother Joey said, quote,
                                         
                                        well he blamed mother for it and said it was her fault
                                         
                                        and pretty soon you know she felt bad
                                         
    
                                        even kind of accepted the blame
                                         
                                        and started drinking real heavy
                                         
                                        question does your mom drink now today
                                         
                                        answer no
                                         
                                        Kenny joey said in his testimony
                                         
                                        was the one taking care of her
                                         
                                        he would be in there with a cold rag on her head
                                         
                                        cleaning up the vomit out of the floor when she missed the commode
                                         
    
                                        and trying to wrestle her up out of the floor
                                         
                                        to get her in the bed because she was a big woman.
                                         
                                        Question.
                                         
                                        How old do you think Kenny was the first time that you saw him picking your mama up
                                         
                                        and talking to her and wiping her?
                                         
                                        How old do you think he was?
                                         
                                        Answer.
                                         
                                        Probably eight or nine.
                                         
    
                                        Question.
                                         
                                        Did there ever come a time when you saw your brother turn to drinking?
                                         
                                        Answer, oh yes.
                                         
                                        Question, do you remember how old he was?
                                         
                                        Answer.
                                         
                                        He was 16.
                                         
                                        Question.
                                         
                                        Did there ever come a time when you saw your brother?
                                         
    
                                        start to drink too much? Answer, yes.
                                         
                                        Kenny met a woman. They had a child together, Michael, named for Kenny's brother who died.
                                         
                                        They moved to a house in Florence. And one day, a friend of his from high school asked him
                                         
                                        if he wanted a little quick money roughing someone up. And off he and John Parker went in Parker's
                                         
                                        Pontiac Grand Prix with a hunting knife and a fifth of wild turkey on the console between them.
                                         
                                        to do what he had seen people do
                                         
                                        a hundred times in his life.
                                         
                                        Kate Porterfield and I sometimes digressed into more personal subjects.
                                         
    
                                        We talked a lot about our kids and parenting.
                                         
                                        What she had learned as a mother of three daughters,
                                         
                                        And there was something she said at one point that I can't stop thinking about.
                                         
                                        You know, Catherine Harrison, you know, that is?
                                         
                                        She's a great writer, yeah.
                                         
                                        And she wrote this incredible memoir about her life with her father who had disappeared
                                         
                                        and then got involved with her in incredibly inappropriate way.
                                         
                                        And it was a beautiful, very painful memoir, very brave.
                                         
    
                                        And she has a line in there, I'm going to get it wrong,
                                         
                                        but where she says, we think that parenting is about unconditional love.
                                         
                                        And what we mean by that is that the parents have unconditional love towards the children.
                                         
                                        But what you learn as you grow and as you have kids is that actually the unconditional love is coming from the child to the parent.
                                         
                                        And I will say I see that all the time in my patients who got abused as children, which is they love their parents.
                                         
                                        They're hungry for their parents.
                                         
                                        They yearn for the memory of their parent to be the good parts.
                                         
                                        And it doesn't matter that the parents did terrible things to them.
                                         
    
                                        It doesn't matter.
                                         
                                        No, I mean, it matters to who they've.
                                         
                                        become, but in their sense of self.
                                         
                                        Oh, I see.
                                         
                                        They'll yearn for that parent.
                                         
                                        Children have an unconditional...
                                         
                                        My point is, children have an unconditional love of the parent.
                                         
                                        When Kate Porterfield was just out of college, she'd been attacked by a stranger.
                                         
    
                                        He took her by surprise and beat her up.
                                         
                                        She suffered from what she now realizes was PTSD.
                                         
                                        It took her years to recover.
                                         
                                        That experience was one of the reasons she developed such an interest in treating trauma.
                                         
                                        She had no connection.
                                         
                                        to her attacker, though. No reason to return to him. It was possible to understand ultimately
                                         
                                        that this was just a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. But what if he wasn't a
                                         
                                        stranger? What if you loved your attacker? And what if your love was so powerful and instinctual
                                         
    
                                        that you couldn't help yourself, that you kept coming back again and again, hoping things might
                                         
                                        be different? I think that's another kind of suffering that deserves its own category.
                                         
                                        I can't tell you how many of the moms of my clients were sexually abused.
                                         
                                        I can't tell you.
                                         
                                        It's incredible, you know?
                                         
                                        And you just go, it's just perpetrating and perpetrating and perpetrating through generations.
                                         
                                        I'm curious about what it is you said that dealing with these repeated cases of people
                                         
                                        who had been through this kind of childhood experience taught you a lot.
                                         
    
                                        I want to put my finger on what it taught you.
                                         
                                        I understood child development.
                                         
                                        I had trained in child psychology, and I was like, you know, pretty good on it.
                                         
                                        But when you see it go wrong, you really then understand what it takes for it to go right.
                                         
                                        And so watching again and again men, grown men sitting across from me, cover with tattoos, you know, guys who had killed a couple people maybe, crying, watching these men sobbing when they recounted being eight years old and being.
                                         
                                        and being, here's one, and I'll frame carefully, but, you know, raped at age eight multiple times by an older family member.
                                         
                                        And this, you know, person who had committed homicides, no question, sobbing, talking about it.
                                         
                                        That was so powerful for me in getting me to understand that this guy sitting across from me who is, quote, unquote, scary to everybody in the world.
                                         
    
                                        and he looks scary right he is a hurt person if you go all the way back he's a hurt little boy
                                         
                                        and he's now got warrior he's got warrior shit all over himself right he's got armor he's got
                                         
                                        tattoos all over his face he's so badass and he hurts people right and it all if you can kind
                                         
                                        of back channel it and go back in time he was a little boy who had happened to him he was
                                         
                                        really really harmed in this hypothetical semi hypothetical case of the guy with the tattoos
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        How often in his life do you think he talked about that childhood abuse to somebody?
                                         
                                        Oh, never.
                                         
    
                                        He had never, never talked about it.
                                         
                                        More to the point, no one bothered to ask him until she did.
                                         
                                        And then I went and visited his family and interviewed all these relatives.
                                         
                                        It was 100% known.
                                         
                                        Everybody knew this older relative sexually abused kids in the family
                                         
                                        and particularly had done so with this child.
                                         
                                        Nothing ever done.
                                         
                                        Imagine.
                                         
    
                                        No treatment, no assessment, no law enforcement, nothing.
                                         
                                        Now imagine what that does to that kid.
                                         
                                        Think about the growing sense of yourself.
                                         
                                        I'm going to get hurt by this person.
                                         
                                        Everyone's going to know.
                                         
                                        People are terrifying.
                                         
                                        They hurt you.
                                         
                                        And there's no recourse ever anywhere.
                                         
    
                                        The waitress who worked with Kenny's mother remembered this detail about Kenny's interactions with his dad.
                                         
                                        At the trial, she said,
                                         
                                        You did not see him go to Gene, or like, you know, like a child usually runs up to his daddy and approaches him, that he was glad to see him, or that his daddy was glad to see him.
                                         
                                        At first, when I read that, I thought she meant that the tragedy of Kenny and Gene was that Kenny didn't want to run up and hug his father.
                                         
                                        But after talking to Cape Porterfield, I realized, no, it's much worse.
                                         
                                        It's that he wanted to run up and hug his father, but understood, even at the same.
                                         
                                        that age, that that was impossible.
                                         
                                        Kenny Smith's crime was not committed in isolation.
                                         
    
                                        It was a violent act that came at the end of a long cascade.
                                         
                                        We like people to either be victims or bad guys, right?
                                         
                                        And so victims are people that things happen to,
                                         
                                        and people who do bad things are just people who do bad things.
                                         
                                        And the area that I think we're woefully missing is,
                                         
                                        especially in criminal justice,
                                         
                                        is seeing that people who do things
                                         
                                        that are against the law or even violent
                                         
    
                                        or even murder
                                         
                                        are usually or frequently doing that
                                         
                                        themselves having suffered really bad,
                                         
                                        harm, hurt,
                                         
                                        maltreatment, abuse, violence.
                                         
                                        People have a hard time recognizing
                                         
                                        that a lot of bad behaviors come out of trauma too.
                                         
                                        At the very beginning of the series,
                                         
    
                                        I played an excerpt.
                                         
                                        of part of my conversation with Cape Portofield.
                                         
                                        It was about the first time she saw Kenny Smith in person
                                         
                                        at home in prison in December of 2022,
                                         
                                        about a month after the botched execution.
                                         
                                        And now I want to play it again,
                                         
                                        because now I think it will make more sense.
                                         
                                        It will be easier to see why this case,
                                         
    
                                        out of the many Kate Porterfield has done,
                                         
                                        affected her so deeply.
                                         
                                        When I first went to see Kenny,
                                         
                                        he wanted to talk,
                                         
                                        for the first probably two hours of our visit
                                         
                                        about how beautiful his goodbyes were
                                         
                                        and the love he received from his family
                                         
                                        as he was going into the execution.
                                         
    
                                        That's what he wanted to start with.
                                         
                                        And I found this so powerful
                                         
                                        and also fascinating, honestly, as a clinician,
                                         
                                        because what I first thought was,
                                         
                                        oh, he's avoiding, right?
                                         
                                        He can't talk about the execution.
                                         
                                        He spent a lot of time telling me the story of everything else,
                                         
                                        the goodbyes, the phone calls, the last meal, what people said to him.
                                         
    
                                        I mean, he went through each family member, his grandson, his mom, so he told me all about
                                         
                                        his last visit with her and saying goodbye to her, her walking out of the visiting room and
                                         
                                        turning back to him, you know, and it was all about love.
                                         
                                        He talked to me about love for probably two, two and a half hours.
                                         
                                        So he really kind of got me
                                         
                                        He made me really pause and think a lot, Kenny Smith
                                         
                                        Because watching someone only start from a place of love
                                         
                                        After something so horrible was I had never seen that before
                                         
    
                                        You don't think he was avoiding the subject
                                         
                                        Well, I think he was in a way
                                         
                                        I think both were true
                                         
                                        And I would and ultimately we got to know each other well
                                         
                                        And I could tease him a little and say, you know
                                         
                                        You got the gift of Gab Kenny
                                         
                                        You're really good at like keeping me off the stuff
                                         
                                        stuff that, and he would just laugh and say, oh yeah, I don't want to go there.
                                         
    
                                        I don't want to go there, Doc.
                                         
                                        And he would say, I get nauseous, I start sweating, I can't do it, don't make me do it, doc.
                                         
                                        So, like, we got to a place where we knew what avoidance was, but I don't think that's the whole
                                         
                                        ballgame.
                                         
                                        I think what really happened is that I got to have this time with this man who thought he was
                                         
                                        about to die and had a pre-death experience of intense love.
                                         
                                        There's a famous quote from the art critic John Ruskin
                                         
                                        Hundreds of people can talk for one who can think
                                         
    
                                        but thousands can think for one who can see
                                         
                                        After a lifetime working with people who had suffered great trauma
                                         
                                        Kate Porterfield was the one who could see
                                         
                                        And what she saw was a very different version of Kenny Smith
                                         
                                        someone in pain
                                         
                                        over what had happened
                                         
                                        and what was to come.
                                         
                                        And he was just having
                                         
    
                                        severe nightmares of being executed
                                         
                                        over and over. So he was really
                                         
                                        tormented at night. Then during the day
                                         
                                        he'd be exhausted, he had a ton of nausea,
                                         
                                        and he had a lot of images
                                         
                                        coming back to him over and over again.
                                         
                                        And then, on top of that,
                                         
                                        starts the meaning-making.
                                         
    
                                        And the meaning-making started to really be dark after, you know, several weeks.
                                         
                                        He started to really think about what had happened, that these people who he knew had done it to him.
                                         
                                        How could people do this to other people?
                                         
                                        You know, he started to get really – and then he got depressed.
                                         
                                        He just got full-on depressed.
                                         
                                        He was actually doing pretty much post-traumatic stress symptoms at first,
                                         
                                        and then he moved into depression in the spring, and then that kind of worsened for a while.
                                         
                                        And then he sort of came out of the depression.
                                         
    
                                        and then the second execution came up.
                                         
                                        The second execution.
                                         
                                        The state of Alabama wasn't finished with Kenny Smith.
                                         
                                        Coming up on the series finale of the Alabama murders.
                                         
                                        They said, well, Mom, they're coming to get me.
                                         
                                        And, you know, we said our good pies and, you know, the last thing you said was, I love you, Mom.
                                         
                                        I've had to go.
                                         
                                        So the theory was that because nitrogen gas was not noxious, it could be given to someone as a kind of, you know, method of gas execution that would not be so true.
                                         
    
                                        troubling to them because they would breathe it and not know it and that they would then lose
                                         
                                        consciousness and die.
                                         
                                        I'm not a medical person.
                                         
                                        I can't opine on what happened.
                                         
                                        The only one who can tell us if he experienced pain is not here to describe it.
                                         
                                        But what I observed anyhow did not look like what.
                                         
                                        Alabama had advertised.
                                         
                                        Revision's history is produced by Lucy Sullivan, Ben Nadaf Halfrey, and Nina Bird Lawrence.
                                         
    
                                        Additional reporting by Ben Didaf Halfrey and Lee Hedgebeth.
                                         
                                        Our editor is Karen Shakurgy.
                                         
                                        Fact-checking by Kate Furby.
                                         
                                        Our executive producer is Jacob Smith, production support from Luke Lamond.
                                         
                                        Engineering by Nina Bird Lawrence, original scoring by Luis Gera with Paul Brannard and Jimmy Baud.
                                         
                                        Sound design and additional music by Jake Gorski.
                                         
                                        I'm Malcolm Gladm.
                                         
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