Revisionist History - The Big Birthday Party

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

Despite his disdain for birthdays, Malcolm finds himself celebrating ten years of Revisionist History by looking back on the making of the show with producers past and present. And, of course, his mot...her. (00:03:40) - Season 1, Episode 5: Food Fight (00:05:20) - Season 6, Episode 10: The Dog Will See You Now (00:06:12) - Season 2, Episode 4: The Foot Soldier of Birmingham (00:06:17) - Season 9, Episode 5: Guns Part 5: The Footnote (00:06:23) - Season 11, Episode 9: Hitler's Olympics, Part 9: A Plague on Both Your Houses. (00:06:30) - Season 14, Episode 1: The Alabama Murders - Part 1: The True Church (00:17:06) - Season 1, Episode 6: My Little Hundred Million (00:19:10) - Season 3, Episode 10: Analysis, Parapraxis, Elvis (00:25:35) - Season 11, Episode 6: Hitler's Olympics, Part 6: The Jiggle & the Giddy UpSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 There are moments in each of our lives that seem to change everything. An unexpected diagnosis, the sudden end of a relationship, the loss of a job. As our lives fear off course, it can feel like time is dividing into a before and an after. I'm Dr. Maya Shunker, a cognitive scientist, and my new book, The Other Side of Change, who we become when life makes other plans, is all about how we navigate these inflection points. The Other Side of Change pairs singular real-life stories with scientific insights to help us find meaning in the tumult of change. What if we saw the hardest moments in our lives, not simply as something to endure, but as an opportunity to reimagine who we can be? I'm thrilled to share that Book List gave The Other Side of Change one of its coveted starred reviews, saying, quote,
Starting point is 00:00:50 It's impossible not to be moved. The Other Side of Change is out now. Get your copy today, wherever you. you like to buy books. So I'm calling you because I'm doing a little thing on how I don't like my birthday. Yes. And I have questions for you. Yes, I'm eagerly waiting to hear this because I have spent a lot of time wondering what it's all about.
Starting point is 00:01:33 That's my mom, Joyce. She's very short, speaks very softly. you would like her. Do you remember ever having a birthday party for me when I was a child? I think we did. We didn't do exotic things. I think you had people sleep over. Or you had some people to tea a few friends from school.
Starting point is 00:01:59 I remember there was once a big party. Really? And I said, and I after, I said that's enough. Okay. Now, well, are you going to explain what was enough? In case you're wondering, my mom is a therapist. I just thought it was a needless production to have all these people over.
Starting point is 00:02:29 What should it have been instead? Well, what I do now is perfect, which is nothing. Oh, I see. So you didn't enjoy any part of having friends to eat with you? No. I haven't had a birthday party since. It's worse than that. I don't remember anyone's birthday.
Starting point is 00:02:53 I know my mother's, but not my father's. One of my brothers, but not the other. One of my daughters was born in July and the other in August, but I'm not sure which is which. If I were to name my five closest friends, I think I know the birthday of one of them. And that's because it's January 1st, and I just saw him on January 1st, and he said to me, with tones of great injury and reproach, today is my birthday.
Starting point is 00:03:17 But I am sure I'll forget that fact really soon. On this particular subject, the overloaded lifeboat that is my memory is refusing all further passengers. And by the way, my mother reminded me, it's not just birthdays that I have a problem with. It's any kind of arbitrary celebration. So you were a very thoughtful child. The fact, for example, that you challenged your teacher, Miss Brown. Mrs. Brown was my first grade teacher. I was very fond of Mrs. Brown.
Starting point is 00:03:50 But one day at school, she brought up Christmas and Santa Claus. You put your hand up and said, there is no Santa Claus. And she had a real problem because here she wasn't. speaking to a group of small children who wanted to believe. Yes. They're linked, by the way. My disdain for Santa Claus and my disdain for my birthday is part of the same impulse. Yes, of course.
Starting point is 00:04:23 Yes, of course, says Mom, the therapist. Why am I telling you all this? Because last year, 2025, was the 10th anniversary of when we started. started making revisionist history, and I forgot all about it. Totally skipped my mind until I was randomly on the revisionisthistory.com website, looking up some forgotten fact from an episode from season one, one of my favorites, food fight. And I noticed the release date. July 14th, 2016, and I realized, holy mackerel, we've been around for 10 years.
Starting point is 00:05:00 The internet tells me that this is the tin or aluminum anniversary, which I have to say, kind of proves my point. What are you supposed to do in your 10th anniversary? Right, I love you in Magic Marker on a sheet of tinfoil? This was back in the summer. So what did I do? I didn't say anything. Kept it to myself.
Starting point is 00:05:19 It's better this way, I thought. But then I remembered a date I went on many years ago with a girl who told me that she turned her birthday every year into a seven-day marathon. She called it, wait for it, Princess Week. Picture me in the darkened bar, making sense of that revelation. Good Lord.
Starting point is 00:05:39 But if someone wants Princess Week, shouldn't we just give them Princess Week? So all of you insufferably sentimental people out there in listener land, this is for you. A little revisionist history 10th anniversary celebration. To get started, I did a little homework,
Starting point is 00:06:06 sent out a tweet, asked listeners for feedback, scoured some Reddit threads, talk with people who've been involved in the show over the years, trying to generate a highlight reel for the big birthday party. What was her favorite moment, memory? First thing I got back was from my colleague Ben Nadaf Halfrey, who talked to my old producer, Eloise Linton,
Starting point is 00:06:25 about a reporting trip we took back in 2021 for the episode, The Dog will see you now. Okay, so Malcolm wanted to do an episode on these dogs who were trained to smell COVID. And we found the center in Alabama that trained these specialized dogs. And we all decided to go on a road trip. And it was me, Malcolm, and Jacob Smith.
Starting point is 00:06:57 So Malcolm and two producers. And part of the thing that was fun, but also kind of crazy about it, was that we were just sort of coming out of COVID. So we hadn't, it was fun to take a trip in a moment when there wasn't a lot of socializing or traveling going on. Let me just bud in here and say that no one loves doing Alabama stories more than me. Back in season two, we did the foot soldier of Birmingham. Season eight, we did an episode called Footnote, remember, for our gun series,
Starting point is 00:07:27 about a guy living on an old plantation outside of Tuskegee. Season 10, we went to Scottsboro, Alabama for an episode of our 1936. Olympic series. And we just did the Alabama murders, a seven-part series about crime and punishment and redemption set in a little town in northwestern Alabama. Ben and I went twice. Ben went a third time on his own. No one loves Alabama, more than I love Alabama. So in the middle of COVID, I want to do a story about how dogs are much better at detecting COVID than even the most sophisticated molecular bioassay. And I find out that one of the biggest COVID canine training centers is an hour's drive from Birmingham, way up into hills. Alabama, cute puppies, viral epidemics.
Starting point is 00:08:15 My feeling was that this might be the perfect revisionist history story. One fun thing that I learned about Malcolm on this trip is that he doesn't believe in using maps, which caused, you know, map. He doesn't believe he's a map. He doesn't want, you know, you can ask His philosophy on it, I'm sure he has some great answer, but he would not use a map. So it was kind of me and Jacob secretly checking our, you know, Google Maps and sort of suggesting that he takes certain turns. Licking your fingers, sticking it to the wind and being like that way. Yeah, exactly. This is true. Since we're talking about my parents, one of my fondest memories of being a kid is driving with my family somewhere and clearly getting hopelessly lost. And my father
Starting point is 00:09:02 announcing gleefully from the front seat, I'm following my nose. I felt that my young producers deserved a similar experience. And on this long drive road trip, we had to stop for gas, and we stopped at a very desolate gas station, kind of in the middle of nowhere, very in the middle of nowhere. And Malcolm and Jacob both went in to grab something, and I went to the bathroom. And I came back out and they were gone. And I left my cell phone in the car. And I just kind of remember calculating what my options were in terms of what I could do.
Starting point is 00:09:46 So I remember I went into the sort of gas station and was contemplating, calling my family, calling my roommate, and saying, listen, my boss left me at a gas station. In fairness to me and Jacob, Eloise had been sitting in the back seat, and she is by nature quiet as a church mass, so it makes sense that we might assume that she was back there all the time, reading a book or something. And it did not take that long
Starting point is 00:10:17 for us to realize our mistake, maybe 10 miles, max. And in the frantic drive back, both Jacob and I felt really, really guilty. Anyway, why am I telling you this story? Because when I meet listeners, I think they have the impression that this show is some big, well-oiled corporate machine.
Starting point is 00:10:34 and clearly it's not. I was like, did you try calling me? Like, what went through that? I don't think we really talked about it because we were also late. All right. Speaking of Ben, here's a note from my Twitter callout from a listener named Rob Gilfillion. Here's my question. Malcolm pronounces his colleague's name as Ben Nadaf Halfrey, while Ben Nadeef Halfrey.
Starting point is 00:11:01 It's similar to the difference in pronouncing pecan or pecan or caribbean. or Caribbean. These two obviously spend a lot of time together. Seems odd. This is so true. It's because I just love a double-barreled last name. I wish I had one. My mother's maiden name was Nation. Can you imagine if I were known as Malcolm Nation Gladwell? I would be unstoppable. So I'm deeply appreciative of that Nadav in the middle of Ben's name. I want to give it the kind of relish I believe it deserves. Nadav is like pickles on a sandwich. It's transformative. The other reason, while I'm on this subject, is that this is the price I pay for being the child of a Jamaican and an Englishman who was raised in Canada and then moved to the United States. I have four different pronunciation and accent models bouncing around my head at all times.
Starting point is 00:11:53 Everything is up for grabs. The person who knows this better than anyone is my producer, Nina Lawrence. Yeah, you have a real problem with ambulances. What do you say? But when the ambulance arrived, a few minutes later. And what do I say? When the ambulance. That's what it says.
Starting point is 00:12:16 Ambulance. Where were we? One more memory. We're celebrating our 10th anniversary. Oh, my God. And you were the principal figure in the founding of revisionist history. That's crazy. I guess. I mean, yeah, I was there. I was there from the very, very start. I remember our very first meeting.
Starting point is 00:12:41 Mia LaBelle, the person who taught me everything there is to know about podcasting. I want you to go back. So we were interviewing people and you waltzed in. Is that how it felt that I waltzed in? I had no idea who you were. I did not. I did not read your resume. May in advance. I never do. That tracks. I think it's pointless. The, wait, but I want to know what were you, we had never met before. We had never met before. What were your impressions? There I was. Skinny Malcolm. What would you think? Well, I knew your work coming in and I had read the outline of your.
Starting point is 00:13:23 I'd given you an outline of some suggested ideas I had for the first season. Yes. Yes. And there were some great, you know, there was some great stuff in there, but I also saw a lot of sports. and cars and all the sources that you referenced were dudes. And I was just like, okay, here we go. And so, I'm not a mean person, but I needed to speak my truth. No one is saying. No one is saying. My truth, which was, there's some great stuff here, but no woman is ever going to listen to this podcast. Which I love so. I remember, I remember that perfectly. I just, I, the minute I heard that, I fell in love with you. I was like,
Starting point is 00:14:03 I'm like, so, so, I so want to work with this woman. This is fantastic. It was a show called revisionist history. The tagline was because sometimes the past deserves a second chance. The premise of the show was that you needed to go back over things that had happened because chances are you got them wrong the first time. And Mia walks in, looks at the proposed line-up of episodes and says, you need to go back over them, you got them wrong the first time.
Starting point is 00:14:32 Under the circumstances, who could say no? After talking to Mia, I thought of one of my all-time favorite songs. David Allen Coe's you never even called me by my name, which begins with the perfect country opening line. If you've never heard of David Allen Coe, by the way, let me just read you a line taken at random from his wikers. Wikipedia page. After concluding another prison term in 1967, Coe embarked on a music career in Nashville, living in a hearse, which he parked in front of the Ryman Auditorium while he
Starting point is 00:15:14 performed on the street. How can you not love David Allen Coe? Anyway, halfway through you never even called me by my name. Coe just stops and says, Well, a friend of mine named Steve Goodman wrote that song, and he told me it was the perfect country in Western song. I wrote him back a letter and I told him it was not the perfect country and western song because he hadn't said anything at all about mama or trains or trucks or present or getting drunk. So then Goodman writes a new verse, sends it to Coe, and Coe says, okay, now this really is the perfect country and Western song.
Starting point is 00:15:57 The last verse goes like this here. I was drunk The day my mom Got out of prison And I went To pick her up She got I think you can see where I'm going with this
Starting point is 00:16:40 A singer insists I'm going back over a song A song that has already been written Because he thinks the songwriter Got it wrong the first time And what's the fix? Nothing elaborate The most prosaic of things
Starting point is 00:16:54 the bare essentials for a country singer, mama, trains, trucks, prisons, and getting drunk. That's what I think we've learned over the first 10 years of this show. But getting something right doesn't require heroics. It's just following your nose and turning around when you mistakenly left someone behind. After the break, the celebration continues. There are moments in each of our lives that seem to change everything.
Starting point is 00:17:29 In unexpected diagnosis, the sudden an end of a relationship, the loss of a job. As our lives fear off course, it can feel like time is dividing into a before and an after. I'm Dr. Maya Shunker, a cognitive scientist, and my new book, The Other Side of Change, who we become when life makes other plans, is all about how we navigate these inflection points. The other side of change pairs singular real life stories with scientific insights to help us find meaning in the tumult of change. What if we saw the heart of the hardest moments in our lives, not simply as something to endure, but as an opportunity to reimagine who we can be. I'm thrilled to share that booklist gave the other side of change
Starting point is 00:18:12 one of its coveted starred reviews, saying, quote, it's impossible not to be moved. The other side of change is out now. Get your copy today wherever you like to buy books. Okay, I have some thoughts about the first 10 years of revisionist history. Why it has been so much fun? Because it's been way, way more fun than I ever imagined. For me, it starts with the difference between reading a story and hearing a story. In reading, the writer is in charge of what appears on the page. If you read one of my books and you liked it, you're giving me a direct compliment. You're saying, I like what you made. But when you listen to a story, made up of interviews with all sorts of people and archival tape stitched together with bits of narrative here and there, you aren't saying I like what you made.
Starting point is 00:19:05 You're saying, I like what you found, and that's a very different thing. One episode listeners ranked as a favorite on my Twitter poll, for example, is my little hundred million from season one. An episode all about the strange phenomenon of wealthy people giving millions of dollars to colleges that already have millions of dollars, as opposed to schools that don't have millions of dollars. There's a moment in the episode where I call up John Hennessey, who was the president of Stanford University at the time. Stanford is a tiny fraction of the size of its neighbors in the University
Starting point is 00:19:40 of California system. And yet in 2016, Stanford's endowment was $22 billion. The UC system's endowment, much, much smaller, by about $8.5 billion. So I asked Hennessy, Do you ever imagine that a president of Stanford might go to a funder and say, at this point in our history, the best use of your money is to give to the UC system, not to Stanford? Well, that would be a hard thing to do, obviously, to turn them away. And I think the other question we'd be asked is, how can I have confidence that they'll use my money well, which where obviously the president of Stanford is not in a position to vouch for, I think.
Starting point is 00:20:28 It's an amazing answer. And what's amazing is that he had every reason. reason to duck that question, or brush it aside, or tell a lie, but he doesn't. He decides to be completely honest. He owns up to the fact that even though he is an educator, he is not primarily in the education business. He's in the Stanford business. And I suspect that one of the reasons so many people listed my little hundred million as one of their favorites is because of that little bit of tape from Hennessy. I didn't make that moment. I didn't anticipate it. I didn't manipulate Hennessy into saying it. I stumbled into it. And the wonderful thing about audio is that
Starting point is 00:21:08 it allows you to capture those found moments exactly as they're happening. There's an even better example of this. It's from another episode on the list from listeners, Elvis Analysis Parapraxis, season three. If you haven't heard it, the premise is pretty simple. One of Elvis's trademark songs was, are you lonesome tonight? And in the middle of the song, there's a bridge, a couple of spoken sentences, a little soliloquy. And over and over again, whenever Elvis had to say the bridge, he'd screw it up, get the words wrong, break out into totally inappropriate laughter. The world's a stage, and each must play a part. The fraudian term for what Elvis was doing is called parapraxis, a slip of the tongue that reveals
Starting point is 00:22:08 something about the speaker. So the episode was trying to answer, what does he's, Elvis's issue with the bridge, tell us about Elvis. Now, I should say I had all kinds of trouble doing this story. There was a great essay written about Elvis's paraproxis by the psychologist Alan Elms. So I flew to Sacramento to meet with Elms, but he wasn't well and couldn't really speak, so I kind of gave up, put the story aside for months, until I had the random idea of just going to Nashville and having professional musicians sing, are you lonesome tonight, and explain to me why the bridge is so complicated. I went to see Bobby Braddock, one of the legendary Nashville songwriters, and he brought with him a good friend, a singer named Casey Bowles. Casey
Starting point is 00:22:51 sang, Are You Lonesome Tonight? And then we got on the subject of another song, one of her own. Do you find yourself making the kind of errors sometimes, even subtle ones that we've been talking about? That's so interesting. I wrote a song about my mother called Somebody Something, and my mother is adorable. And whenever you heard about things going wrong or like some tumultuous story, it was my dad. And so I finally was like, you know what, aren't we the only person in the family that there's nothing I haven't written about? So I was trying to dig dirt on her, and there was nothing. And so I ended up writing this song about her called Somebody Something, and I cry every time I do it. And there is a line. It says, you know, she's always been somebody's something. She's lived
Starting point is 00:23:35 every life but her own. And it's going to be. I can't remember it right now. I don't know that feeling. I can't remember it. Yeah. There's always been somebody something. It's been everything but alone. A daughter, a mother, a life, a daughter, a lover, a wife and a mother.
Starting point is 00:23:55 She's lived every life but her own. Yes, she's always been somebody something. And there's a line that says, you know, she wonders what it might be like to be somebody else. And she wonders. what it feels like to be free. But she's always imagined being nobody's nothing, and that's something she never want to be. But that line usually is just gone.
Starting point is 00:24:21 And a lot of times I'll go, hold on, and divert and tell a funny story really quickly. Yeah. What's the specific line that's gone is, which one? Well, it's gone again. She's always been somebody something. She's been everything about a lone daughter, a daughter, a lover, a wife and a mother.
Starting point is 00:24:41 She's been everything. But alone? Yeah. Yeah. Why is it that line? I don't know. I think that, I don't know. I think when you see somebody give so much of themselves,
Starting point is 00:25:02 and that's truly the only thing that she will never experience, and I think it's what I've experienced the most of. I go to Nashville to write a story about parapraxis, and what happens? I find Barra Bara Braxas. It occurs before my eyes, and I was lucky enough to have the tape recorder running. And the reason I love that episode
Starting point is 00:25:20 and why so many listeners over the years have said it's their favorite is that you, the listener, and me, the host, get to participate in this little golden moment of serendipity together. Wait, Casey, can you play that song for us? Is it going to be two? Let's see.
Starting point is 00:25:38 Okay. Okay, well, I'll say it. this happens. What did I just say? Sorry I'm thinking about mom. She grew up playing cowgirl. She grew up playing cowgirl. Oh, town. Dream of she'd see Hollywood someday. New some distant Friday night with a cigarette to hold just right and carry far as she could see from there. Those were just the facts of- That's not right.
Starting point is 00:26:38 Hold one second. There it is again, Parapraxis. Married in December, maybe work. And I dress her mama made. She looked all grown up standing there like that. I've been making things my whole life. What I've learned over the last 10 years of doing this is that I much prefer finding things.
Starting point is 00:27:04 We'll be right back. There are moments in each of our lives that seem to change everything. An unexpected diagnosis, the sudden end of a relationship, the loss of a job. As our lives fear off course, it can feel like time is dividing into a before and an after. I'm Dr. Maya Shunker, a cognitive scientist, and my new book, The Other Side of Change, who we become when life makes other plans, is all about how we navigate these inflection points. The other side of change pairs singular real-life stories with scientific insights,
Starting point is 00:28:00 to help us find meaning in the tumult of change? What if we saw the hardest moments in our lives, not simply as something to endure, but as an opportunity to reimagine who we can be? I'm thrilled to share that book list gave the other side of change one of its coveted starred reviews, saying, quote, it's impossible not to be moved. The other side of change is out now.
Starting point is 00:28:23 Get your copy today wherever you like to buy books. So I wanted to go over our greatest found moment. And I want to see whether you believe this is our greatest found moment. Okay. I called up Ben Nadaff, Halfrey, again, to talk about the time we went to Los Angeles for our 1936 Olympic series. And we go and see the legendary Melan Tiff, who I've been obsessed with since I was a kid. I never heard of true form. Almost no one has ever heard of Melantif because he was briefly the greatest triple jumper in the world in some point in the 1970s.
Starting point is 00:29:03 So you understand it's a small universe There's a small universe of people who Remember track and field in the 70s And an even smaller universe of people who followed the triple jump And above that, the top of the funnel is people who know Yeah, right, who know what the triple do you know what thing is Yeah, that's never heard of it But Milan was his kind of spectral brilliant
Starting point is 00:29:21 He was an artist He spoke in these kind of gnomic utterances It was one of the trippiest mornings in my life It was just a, he was drugs He's so fascinating and kind of just like, I immediately knew we were in some magical universe when we went to see Milan Tiff. Milan takes us to the UCLA track and he wants to show us the secrets to the triple jump. And my interest in all of this, I'm actually, because I'm a huge track and field fan, I am, I'm just so happy to be at the UCLA track. track. And I'm aware of the fact that you don't, you're not a track and field fan. And I'm desperate to
Starting point is 00:30:03 kind of impress upon you why this is the greatest sport of all time. And I want you to appreciate the beauty of running, which to my mind is the reason you watch track and field. And so I see out of the corner of my eye, a woman running 200 meter intervals on the track. And I say to you, Ben, and I could see it. I could see it. You could see it. And I said to you, I actually went back over the tape. I said to you, I don't know who that is, but that's a great runner. And then she got closer and stopped and was chatting with Milan. And we go over there and we realize it's Sidney McLaughlin. You're using, we're using a we liberal here. It's the greatest, for those who don't know who Sidney McLaughlin is, maybe the greatest female runner of the last hundred years. I mean,
Starting point is 00:30:51 she's the world record holder a zillion times, double gold medal winner in the Olympics. Clearly the greatest American runner of her generation. And it was a foul moment. Here I was trying, here was, I went with you to the UCLA track to try and prove to you that there was something beautiful and transcendent about running. And I point out my example. And my example turns out to be the greatest runner of her generation. It was like, it was insane serendipity.
Starting point is 00:31:23 It is incredible. Yeah. One more thought about made things versus found things. Not long ago, I tweeted out the following. A question that has haunted me ever since I've been forced to read Cinderella a zillion times. Why does the coach turn into a pumpkin, the coachman into mice, and the dress to rags, but the magical glass slippers are fine? Did the fairy godmother have a carve-out for shoes?
Starting point is 00:31:50 A ton of people weighed in with their answers because, I don't know, it seems like a question that really needs an answer. And my favorite was this, from Med Lectual, who I think is a neurologist in Switzerland, although who knows? Oh, Malcolm, because magic and fairy tales follows symbolism, not physics. The coach, dress, and servants are borrowed transformation. The slippers are proof of identity, not escapism. If they vanished, the story loses its logic and its justice. Which is beautiful, right?
Starting point is 00:32:24 And I didn't come up with that. I put the question to all of you out there, to the listeners of revisionist history, people who are as interested as we are in solving life's enduring and consequential, and sometimes not so consequential mysteries. One of you, who I've never met, gave me a little gift, which I can in turn share with all of you. Forgive me, I'm going to violate all my principles here and get sentimental. But the great revelation of the last ten years has been how much all of us here revisionist history. have enjoyed telling stories for all of you.
Starting point is 00:33:01 Stories about the unexpected, captured in real time, with real voices and real emotion and a real sense of all about the endless surprises the world hasn't stored for us. I ran into you as I'm walking down the street. We're going through an airport and from emails in my inbox. Let me just say, it's been one of the great joys of my life to meet all of you. Happy 10 anniversary revisionist history. Well, it was all that I could do to keep from crying.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Revision's history is produced by Lucy Sullivan, Benadaff Haferi, and Nina Bird Lawrence. Our editor is Karen Chikurgy, fact-checking by Anika Robbins. Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Engineering by Nina Bird Lawrence, original music by Luis Gera, sound, design, and mastering by Jake Gorski. Special thanks to my mom.
Starting point is 00:34:04 And to Jim Sullivan, my producer Lucy's father. for recording his very own rendition of You Never Even Called Me by My Name, which Lucy tells me, her dad sang to her all the time when she was growing up. I'm Malcolm Blabom. And I never mind it standing.
Starting point is 00:34:23 You don't have to call me, darling. Mommy, this is exactly... This is exactly what I needed. Oh, very good. Good. Very lovely to hear you welcome. Thank you. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:34:54 Mommy, I'll talk to you soon. We'll talk to you again. Okay. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. There are moments in each of our lives that seem to change everything. An unexpected diagnosis, the sudden end of a relationship, the loss of a job. As our lives fear off course, it can feel like time is dividing into a before and an after.
Starting point is 00:35:15 I'm Dr. Maya Shunker, a cognitive scientist, and my new book, The Other Side of Change, who we become when life makes other plans, is all about how we know. navigate these inflection points. The Other Side of Change pairs singular real-life stories with scientific insights to help us find meaning in the tumult of change. What if we saw the hardest moments in our lives, not simply as something to endure, but as an opportunity to reimagine who we can be? I'm thrilled to share that book list gave The Other Side of Change one of its coveted
Starting point is 00:35:48 starred reviews, saying, quote, it's impossible not to be moved. The Other Side of Change is out now. Get your copy today, wherever you like to buy books.

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