Revisionist History - Vultures from Lost Hills: Dark Canyon

Episode Date: June 17, 2024

Here's an episode from another Pushkin Industries podcast that you may enjoy. Introducing Lost Hills: Dark Canyon. This season, host Dana Goodyear investigates one of Malibu's greatest unsolved myster...ies. In 2009, 24-year-old Mitrice Richardson was arrested by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department for failing to pay her bill at a restaurant in Malibu, CA. After being released from Lost Hills Station shortly after midnight, she disappeared. Eleven months later, her skeletal remains were discovered in a canyon some six miles away.  For nearly 15 years, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, Mitrice’s friends and family, and generations of internet sleuths have tried to crack the case. The truth lies in the remote Malibu community where Mitrice was last seen. And now, finally, people are starting to talk. Listen to Lost Hills: Dark Canyon wherever you find your podcasts. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, hello, Revisionist History listeners. Today we're taking you to Malibu to explore one of the city's greatest unsolved mysteries. In 2009, a woman named Matrice Richardson was released from the Malibu Lost Hills Sheriff's Station, and she never made it home. Nearly a year later, Matrice's remains were discovered in a canyon six miles from the station. Everyone knows something horrible happened to Matrice, and for 15 years, the Sheriff's Department has failed to solve her case. In the latest season out of Pushkin Industries, host Dana Goodyear is investigating what happened to Matrice in Lost Hills, Dark Canyon.
Starting point is 00:00:52 Today, you'll hear the first episode of the season. If you want to hear more, you can find the show in your favorite podcast player. And if you want to hear the entire season right now, ad-free, you can subscribe to Pushkin Plus on the Lost Hills Dark Canyon Apple Podcast show page or at pushkin.fm slash plus. Here's Dana. A couple of years ago, I found a video buried on the internet, deep in the metadata behind the 404 error codes. In it, a young black woman is questioning a middle-aged white guy who's sitting on the edge of his bed, drinking a beer. Did you hear banging on the door?
Starting point is 00:01:59 Talking at the door, like they just shut it on her or something. The person they're talking about is Mitrice Richardson, a 24-year-old black woman who disappeared in Malibu in 2009 and whose remains were discovered there 11 months later. They're talking about the day of her disappearance. The interview is being shot vertical, seemingly on a cell phone, with the guy taking up the whole frame. He looks like an aging California golden boy, with gray and blonde hair, a tan, and a barrel chest. He's relaxed, wearing a sky blue Henley shirt tucked into a pair of camouflage shorts. So I really couldn't see her face, but I could see her shadow like this.
Starting point is 00:02:48 While he says this, he gestures broadly, waving his big paws around in the air. In the light of the night, you know, with the light on the front porch. And she was screaming at something, you know, and it was pretty loud. And I'm thinking, God damn, it's 4.30 in the morning. What was she saying? She was saying, God damn, buddy, you know, we was trying to go, you know, and she was pissed or something, you know, or something. I think it was the people at the house.
Starting point is 00:03:12 Mm-hmm. She was angry. Maybe they told her she had to leave or get called the police. And she was telling them, you son of a, you know, whatever. He got curious. The scene was so out of place in this quiet neighborhood. A young woman alone in the early morning hours shouting? She might be in trouble.
Starting point is 00:03:32 Because I'm thinking, well, if there's some dude there, I'm not going to let some dude hit her, you know? Right. I wouldn't have hesitated to walk on that property. But since I wasn't, you know, and I couldn't see anybody else except for her, or not really even her, just her stupid, she was angry or something. I mean, I'm the kind of guy that would have been right there. I would have been Donald's protector. The interviewer, her name's Raven Masterson, she made the video sometime after Mitrice's remains were found. Like so many people, she wanted to figure out what happened to Mitrice.
Starting point is 00:04:07 Because the death of Mitrice Richardson is Malibu's most horrifying, notorious, and scandalous unsolved case. For 15 years, Mitrice's story has been shrouded in mystery. The scant clues have been worked over a thousand times to no end. There's no resolution, no satisfying explanation, and no one has been held accountable.
Starting point is 00:04:33 Many people blame the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department for her death. Some take it farther, and this is how Raven leans in the video. They even think a deputy may have killed Mitrice. Mitrice was arrested at Joffrey's Restaurant on Pacific Coast Highway on September 16, 2009. She was released from Lost Hills Station at 12.25 a.m. on the 17th. After that, there was one official sighting of her at 6.30 a.m. in the backyard of a house in Montanito, a secluded neighborhood off Malibu Canyon. That's about six miles from the Lost Hill Sheriff's Station. But the guy in the video, he says he saw her too, two hours earlier at 4.30 a.m.,
Starting point is 00:05:20 making a commotion in the front yard of that same house. Montanito, Mountain Nest. It's a tight-knit community in the shadow of the Santa Monica Mountains. Most people in L.A. don't even know it exists. It's got creeks and horses and neighbors that have known each other, in some cases, for generations. Kids run around barefoot. There's a big Fourth of July parade and an annual square dance.
Starting point is 00:05:54 It's a place out of time. It feels like the rustic, horsey California of the 1940s, mixed with the freewheeling party culture of the 1970s. And it's got none of the flash of coastal Malibu or the nearby gated communities of Calabasas. This is California, so of course there have been a couple of waves of gentrifiers. But among the old-timers, the people who practically homesteaded there in the 50s, there's a distinct backwoods, ingrown feeling. And it bears mentioning the whole place is extremely white, with one notable exception.
Starting point is 00:06:32 Will Smith, one of the most famous black men in America, owns an estate in Montanito. But I don't think he frequents the square dance or the Fourth of July parade. It's hard to express how unlikely it is that Mitrice would end up in this isolated community. There isn't even a sign for Montanito on Malibu Canyon. How would she even have known it was there? 11 months after
Starting point is 00:07:09 Mitrice Richardson disappeared, park rangers checking a known illegal pot growth found her remains in a treacherous canyon above Montanito called Dark Canyon. During this time, the Santa Monica Mountains were notorious for harboring large marijuana operations run by organized crime syndicates.
Starting point is 00:07:28 These massive grows were often protected with armed guards who would camp out in the canyons for extended periods. The rangers had disrupted a dark canyon grow in July 2009, two months before Mitrice's disappearance. When they returned in August of 2010, they didn't report any fresh signs of pot-growing activity. But there in the dormant grow were the remains of a black woman. She was mostly bones, a skeleton with small flaps of mummified skin remaining. And she was naked.
Starting point is 00:08:05 From the beginning, every aspect of the case seemed off. What was wrong? How she was arrested, how she was released, how she was searched for, how her remains were discovered, how her remains were recovered,
Starting point is 00:08:20 and how her death was investigated. All of it looked like a colossal screw-up on the part of law enforcement, starting with the Lost Hills cops. And what the Sheriff's Department has said about the case over the years, it just makes no sense. Their refrain essentially is, some cases can't be solved. This is a sheriff's spokesman three days after Mitrice's body was found. Homicide will
Starting point is 00:08:47 continue their investigation. It's likely that we can never find out exactly how she got there, but they're going to do their very best to figure that out. And they're still saying Mitrice's death will always be a mystery. But I don't accept that. It's a stubborn, strange, problematic case, but I do think it's solvable because someone in that secluded, tight-knit community of Montanito knows what happened to her. I'm Dana Goodyear,
Starting point is 00:09:23 and this is Lost Hills, Season 4, Dark Canyon. Episode 1, Vultures. Right off Pacific Coast Highway, across from the Malibu Lagoon and next to the gas station, there's a small memorial. It's a rock with a plaque on it, commemorating the life of a man who was known as Malibu Joe. Malibu Joe was Joe Costello. He was originally from Genoa, Italy. But starting in the mid-1950s, he became a beloved Malibu figure, riding his bike slowly up and down PCH in a fedora and a baggy overcoat. In the summer of 1988, he was beaten and left for dead in the oleander bushes where he lived, where the memorial is today.
Starting point is 00:10:40 He died a few days later. He was 96 years old. The sheriff's department investigated, but the killing was never solved, so no one was ever punished. Malibu Joe died two decades before Mitrice Richardson. The cases have nothing to do with one another. Except this. Both Joe and Mitrice show moments of rupture. They're both signals that Malibu isn't what it seems. Malibu is not paradise. Sunshine, nature, beauty, health, wealth, and eternal youth. That's the myth.
Starting point is 00:11:26 But if I've learned one thing reporting here, it's that every seductive surface has its dark side. The beauty is the danger. It makes you let down your guard and believe in the fantasy. The unspoiled wilderness hides unspeakable crimes. And a place like that, a place like that breeds monsters. In the fall of 2009, Mitrice's disappearance was all over the local news. The mystery unraveled on a September night in 2009, right where the Pacific greets the shores of Malibu. It all started when Mitrice tried to leave Joffrey's, a pricey restaurant on Pacific Coast Highway, without paying her bill. She was arrested and taken to Lost Hill Station, about 13 miles away. They contacted her mother, who said that she will pick her up in the morning if you will keep her there. Deputy said, we will. But instead of staying at the station, Mitrice walked out into the Malibu night.
Starting point is 00:12:26 Her car was at a tow yard near PCH with her belongings inside. She was released at 12 30 a.m. No wallet, no cell phone, no credit cards, no car. She was gorgeous and charismatic and, as would later come out, she was in the midst of a mental health crisis. A beauty contestant, an honor student, and now a missing person. According to her mom, she had no street savvy whatsoever. And she didn't know Malibu at all. Mitrice Richardson walked out of a Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office and into a mystery that continues to baffle investigators. And then the mystery became a horror.
Starting point is 00:13:06 Eleven months later, the 24-year-old college graduate's remains were found here in Dark Canyon. She was naked and partially mummified. They discovered a skull, they discovered a pelvis, and they discovered a leg, just bones. They determined officially, unequivocally, and unfortunately, it was Mitrice Richardson. Coroner's officials haven't determined the cause of death, and they say Richardson's body was in the canyon for more than six months.
Starting point is 00:13:37 Whatever happened in Dark Canyon remains for the moment a dark secret. in a moment, A Dark Secret. It's been 15 years since Mitrice disappeared, 14 years since her remains were found, and there's been no progress on her case. There's no sign that law enforcement is actively working on it, but it's not a cold case. It's a, quote, active criminal investigation, which means the Sheriff's Department
Starting point is 00:14:04 doesn't have to share information. And believe me, they take that very seriously. They do not like to talk about this case. In the midst of their silence, a sinister narrative has taken hold in the public imagination that the L.A. County Sheriff's Department, specifically the Lost Hills cops, are behind Mitrice's death. They deny this,
Starting point is 00:14:27 but the idea lives on in a new generation of true crime TikTokers and YouTubers. Welcome to another episode of Murder, Mystery, and Makeup Monday. Today's story is about Matrice Richardson. It kind of feels like that they were hiding something. The police work in this case was awful. Is this incompetence or a cover-up? I mean, they originally were trying to hide the fact that they had security footage. The previous captain was in on it and promoted for his cover-up job. I believe that Matrice Richardson was murdered and it was covered up by the L.A. County Sheriff's Office. We know the cops took Matrice to the station and the cops let her go in the dark.
Starting point is 00:15:09 This part is true, undisputed fact. And then what? How did she get from the station to Montanito, six miles away? How did she end up in Dark Canyon? Why was she naked? And what happened to her missing bones? Oh yeah, that's one more undisputed fact. While most of Mitrice's bones were eventually accounted for, discovered in the canyon's heavy leaf litter, an important one has not been found. The fragile bone above the larynx that often breaks when a person is strangled. Mitrice Richardson's death is not officially a homicide.
Starting point is 00:16:14 The autopsy reads, quote, Well, there is no evidence of antemortem trauma to the bones or the limited amount of tissue accompanying them. In the absence of internal viscera, internal injury cannot be completely ruled out. And, quote, in the absence of suitable specimens for toxicology testing, the possibility of fatal substance abuse cannot be ruled out. And, quote, death due to exposure, snake bite, pneumonia, or other natural diseases also cannot be ruled out. Therefore, quote, both cause and manner of death remain undetermined, unquote. Hello. Hey, how are you?
Starting point is 00:16:57 I'm Dana. Dana, hi. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. I'm at the home of Lisa Scheinen. She's the forensic pathologist who conducted the autopsy of Mitrice's remains. She's also one of the world's foremost authorities on roller coasters. That is my big hobby, that and collecting butterflies.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Her house, a normal-looking suburban house in Redondo Beach, is basically a natural history museum. So do you capture them in a net and then... Come here, take a look. Shadow box frames filled with specimens are stacked in every corner. There's something called a killing jar, which you can make. It's a jar that has a plaster of Paris base, and then you pour in... You can use cyanide.
Starting point is 00:17:44 When you screw the cap on, it's a closed environment and it makes fumes that kill the butterfly, basically put it to sleep in seconds. Dr. Scheinen worked for the L.A. County Coroner's Office for 24 years. I was a deputy medical examiner at the L.A. County Coroner's Office, now retired. She worked on a lot of high-profile cases. She did the autopsies on the musicians Elliot Smith and Notorious B.I.G. I autopsied Steve Allen, Dr. Knorr from the Killing Fields,
Starting point is 00:18:18 Brittany Murphy, Brian Keith. But Mitrice's case stands out. There are over the years some cases that do stick with me because of the circumstances of the case. There were so many unknowns. I mean, every time I've been near Malibu, I'd start thinking, well, geez, this is where Mitrice was. And this is just such a tragic case. What she knew at the start was very basic. A few scattered pieces of clothing and a human
Starting point is 00:18:53 skeleton had been found in an inaccessible canyon in Malibu. The autopsy report details the pieces of Mitrice's clothing that were recovered from the remains site. 1. Navy blue or black padded bra. 2. Pink narrow belt, medium-large, alligator skin pattern. 3. Blue jeans, U.S. size 29, dirty, empty pockets. She'd been wearing a Bob Marley t-shirt and a pair of Vans when she left Lost Hill Station. She also had her California driver's license on her. Those items, along with her hat and her keys, were missing. I had the investigator's report. This particular investigator's report was very straightforward.
Starting point is 00:19:39 It said somebody from law enforcement was checking an area in a remote canyon and found the bones and the clothing, and the clothing was about 100 feet away from the skeleton. You know, that's very limited information, and sometimes we have two or three pages of information, but not so in this case. So the first thing you do is you lay everything out in anatomical order and count what you've got. It was a nearly complete skeleton. It wasn't an intact skeleton in that everything was connected. There were a lot of disarticulated bones, but there were some areas or certain blocks, like some parts of the lower extremities, parts of some of the upper extremities, were held together by a minimal amount of soft tissue.
Starting point is 00:20:35 The soft tissue was mostly skin that had been mummified. Yeah, mummification is a process. It can be accidental. If you have a body in a very dry, hot environment, the liquid essentially disappears. And what you get is this very leathery, rigid skin, sometimes some soft tissue. Usually the internal organs don't mummify. So it's mostly the skin, muscle, tendons, that type of thing. There were a few small marks on some of the bones. The work, Dr. Scheinen thought, of animals scavenging the remains.
Starting point is 00:21:18 The toes of the left foot were missing, and that was consistent with animal activity. But otherwise, the bones were intact. We look for things like fractures, which would usually mean some sort of a blunt force impact. We would look for any evidence of a gunshot wound or a stabbing. I didn't see any evidence of a physical traumatic injury. There was also no way to tell if Mitrice had been sexually assaulted. Without soft tissue, there's really nothing that you can do or see, and sperm doesn't last. Without internal organs, there was no way to tell if she had overdosed. She wasn't found with cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, anything like that. She didn't really have a history of that type of thing.
Starting point is 00:22:09 But again, without being able to do an accurate test, we don't know. There was a small amount of leg muscle. Dr. Scheinen sent it in for toxicology. And that report came back inconclusive. As soon as Mitrice's remains were discovered, law enforcement began suggesting that Mitrice, experiencing a mental health episode, had probably wandered into Dark Canyon by herself and died from exposure, dehydration, venom, or something.
Starting point is 00:22:44 Her death, they implied, was tragic, but natural. I asked Dr. Scheinen about the natural causes theory. In this particular case, there's several possibilities. There are rattlesnakes there. She could have been bitten by a rattlesnake. There's also fire ants. She could have had a severe allergic reaction to something. There's poison
Starting point is 00:23:06 oak there that's horrible. It's everywhere, and some people are more sensitive than others. But why would the skeleton be naked? Mitrice's bra, belt, and jeans were found hundreds of feet from the skeleton, and the belt was no longer on the jeans. A seasonal stream, Dark Creek, runs through the canyon, and cops suggested that a flash flood could have removed her clothes, carrying them downstream. The winter Mitrice was missing was a rainy one. But even so, it takes a real contortion of logic to imagine a flood could strip a body naked and remove a belt from a pair of pants. Usually when we have a person who's dead with their clothes on, the clothes will stay on.
Starting point is 00:23:58 Even if the body mummifies, the clothes are going to stay on. Water might wash off socks or something like that, but it's not going to completely undress a body. Dr. Scheinen raised a different, natural explanation for Mitrice's nudity, hypothermia. There's something that happens with extreme cold called paradoxical undressing. Normally, when you're cold, your blood vessels will constrict to try to keep the blood more central in the body. Well, what happens with paradoxical undressing is there is a reflex dilatation of these blood vessels. So all of a sudden you get this rush of nice warm blood into these areas that were previously cold. And people who were probably a little bit out of it by this point think, oh my gosh, it's so warm, I'm too hot,
Starting point is 00:24:46 and they take their clothes off. However, that tends to happen more often in extreme cold where there's snow. In mid-September 2009, the average overnight low at the weather recording station nearest to Dark Canyon was in the mid-60s. And I'm not sure it would get cold enough up in the canyon for that to happen, but it's just something to think about.
Starting point is 00:25:12 Obviously, there's another possible explanation. Foul play. There are sinister reasons for the person not having their clothes on. I mean, could she have been sexually assaulted? And they just took her clothes off and left them off. Who knows? It's certainly a real possibility. And what about the missing clothing?
Starting point is 00:25:40 And also the fact that it was an incomplete set of clothes and none of the additional items of clothing were ever found, including shoes, which I think have a little more weight than other clothing. As with everything about Mitrice's case, the story of her remains is a story of absences, gaps and guesses. A forensic pathologist works by process of elimination, but with so little hard evidence, it was difficult to rule out anything. So the fact that I didn't see any trauma in the bones doesn't mean trauma didn't happen. It's always possible that a gunshot wound can go through and through a body without hitting bone. Same thing for a stab wound. What's also possible is asphyxia or manual strangulation or maybe choked with a rope.
Starting point is 00:26:39 The reason people die when they're strangled is you're cutting off the blood flow to the brain. We're looking for things that reflect the fact that you are compressing neck structures. In the autopsy report, there's a list of missing bones. Some bones from the hand, the left toes, presumably scavenged by animals, the tailbone, the xiphoid process at the bottom of the sternum, and a thin, fragile neck bone called the hyoid. The hyoid bone is the only floating bone in the body. It's not attached to any other bone.
Starting point is 00:27:21 It sits a little bit above the thyroid cartilage, and it's essentially there as a base of muscle attachment. Because of its shape and position in the body, a broken hyoid can provide clear evidence of strangulation. For a forensic pathologist, it's a very significant bone. And what's important about it is it's a U-shaped bone with the projections heading towards the back of the neck. So if it's compressed from both sides, which is what happens when you have a strangulation case with manual strangulation, is that you're putting pressure on the wings of the hyoid bone, and they can fracture.
Starting point is 00:28:08 The thing with the hyoid is if you found it and it was broken, you could say, aha, this person was strangled. But like the missing clothing and her ID, Mitrice's hyoid bone was never found. Dr. Scheinen says Mitrice's case could still be resolved. With new evidence, the coroner could change the cause of death from undetermined. If there was foul play involved, someone could confess. You never know. Could be deathbed confession. Maybe they'll raid somewhere, someplace, and they'll find pictures of her. Anything is possible. They could just investigate the right person at the right time. Sometimes killers will save souvenirs that can be recognized as something from the person. Anything like that could happen. Anything could happen.
Starting point is 00:29:06 Including this. Someone who knows something could decide they've kept the secret for too long. My Teresa's movements on September 17, 2009 are mostly unknown. After she was released from Lost Hill Station at 12.25 a.m., she somehow made her way six miles to Montanito in the dark. The next morning, around 6.30 a.m., she was spotted there, in the backyard of a house at the bottom of Cold Canyon Road. And I saw somebody sitting on the top step of the six railroad ties that we have in the backyard.
Starting point is 00:30:02 I called down and said, are you okay? And the answer was, yes, I'm just resting. And by the time we went around to the other window, she was gone. That's Karen Smith speaking in an ABC7 documentary about Mitrice's disappearance. Karen's house is kind of a landmark in the neighborhood, because it has a tennis court out front. Her husband, Bill Smith, who died in 2017, was a reporter on KTLA, a local TV news station. The Smiths called the cops, and later deputies confirmed that the woman who'd been in the backyard was Mitrice. That's the one official sighting of Mitrice Richardson after she left Lost Hills Station. But then there's the other story, the unofficial story, the one the guy on the edge of his bed told Raven in the Lost interview. It was 4.30 in the morning.
Starting point is 00:30:56 I'm coming down off my mountain. I'm off my little hideout. So where do you live? I live right down the street. I live here now. Yeah. Right down the street. I've lived in Montanito all my life.
Starting point is 00:31:06 My folks live here. He says he was heading down into the neighborhood from his spot on the mountain in the early morning hours. I come down at 4.30 in the morning. I know because I left about 4.15 for my spot. It takes about 10 minutes to 15 minutes to get down. Okay. And I'm coming down. It was almost a woodblock in Cold Canyon. Mm-hmm. And it was right at woodblock in Cold Canyon.
Starting point is 00:31:29 There's a house with a tennis court right there. And it has a big horseshoe driveway. That's the Smiths' house. You can look it up on the internet because the guy gave a statement. But his story and the Smiths' story, they're really different. The time, where Mitrice was on the property, they don't line up. And in his account, she wasn't quietly resting. She was audibly distressed.
Starting point is 00:32:06 I could hear her screaming. I could tell she was black just by her drawl. Yeah, the intonation in her voice. I didn't know that black people lived in Montanito. I lived in Montanito. So, he says, he decided to hang out, just to make sure she was safe. Stayed there for about 30 seconds,
Starting point is 00:32:22 and I said, uh, come a little bit by us right now. Right. But when she didn't seem to be in danger, he figured he should move along. I didn't really. She was screaming loud enough that I go, are the cows going to be here soon?
Starting point is 00:32:35 Right. I'm going to get out of here. So I went home. The woman, he says, was a total stranger to him at the time. He didn't know she was about to become a household name. And so I just didn't think much of it. I didn't know that she'd just been arrested. It was the same night.
Starting point is 00:32:58 Right. The circumstance of the situation. He didn't know that deputies and search parties with horses, drones, and dogs were going to be pouring into sleepy little Montanito looking for her. This young woman who was not from Malibu, who he thought
Starting point is 00:33:15 didn't really fit in there. I go, huh. Yeah, I didn't think much about it until like two days later when all this came on the news. You know, what a who think much about it until like two days later when all this came on the news. You know, what a whoop-de-woo. Even though he didn't know any of that, he knew something out of the ordinary had happened. I told my landlord the next morning, I said, yeah, it was really good.
Starting point is 00:33:37 I thought I should be on the mountain last night. The next thing that happened, he saw the vultures. So many vultures. So many vultures. Vultures are a fact of life in Montanito, but this was more than he'd ever seen before. More than he could count. But, uh, so I just, I hear this, and a couple days later, you know, I hear that she's missing, and that, you know, what the mood, all this stuff's going on. So I'm up at my spot, like, two days later, and I've seen a lot of vultures in my life.
Starting point is 00:34:13 I lived out there 50 years, right? Right. Never seen a hundred vultures. Just swooned. I've seen like a thousand of them. You know what I mean? I've never seen that many. So when did you see this?
Starting point is 00:34:26 I saw this like two days after she was missing, or maybe four days after she was missing. Mm-hmm. You know, I thought to myself, you know, because I've been back here all my life, and I'm kind of like a trapper. I'm kind of a mountain man. Right.
Starting point is 00:34:40 I thought, I wonder what they're doing up there. You know, there's something dead up there. You know, obviously, there's that many cultures. This story of the Montanito lifer who saw Mitrice the morning of her disappearance, it's not out there. The recording and all the new information in it got buried under so much other information, so much misinformation, conspiracy theories, dead ends, lies.
Starting point is 00:35:12 It was lost in the leaf litter detritus of the internet. But it's kind of like that hyoid bone, tiny and super significant. Because this ordinary guy, sitting on the edge of his bed, drinking a beer, telling a story, he makes what is probably the single most important statement of any witness in this case. I don't know any of the facts except for that DaCosta and I was the last one to see her alive. If he was the last one to see her alive, did he know something about her death? This season on Lost Hills. I know one of them officers had something to do with it.
Starting point is 00:36:06 It's like when I seen the news, it was like, damn, that's crazy because I was like in a cell with this woman. Somebody said they actually followed her after she left. You think you heard someone talking about how the deputy could give her a ride somewhere? Yes, yes. It was a male deputy. If I'm going to murder anybody, it's going to be a cop. I mean, I had to sleep in front of my kid's door because people were coming to kill my kids.
Starting point is 00:36:22 I was dating her at the time, and she ended up going missing. And I was questioned by L.A, and she ended up going missing. And I was questioned by L.A. Homicide as a possible suspect for her disappearance. And one of the other guys came up and said, what do you know about my trees? He knew exactly where she was, which gives me the chills. Imagine if this was your kid that was swept up and put in a box like this. Lost Hills Season 4, Dark Canyon, is written and hosted by me, Dana Goodyear. It was reported by me and Haley Fox,
Starting point is 00:36:53 our senior producer. The show was created by me and Ben Adair. Lost Hills is a production of Western Sound and Pushkin Industries. Subscribe to Pushkin Plus and you can binge the whole season right now, ad-free. Find Pushkin Plus on the Lost Hills show page in Apple Podcasts or at pushkin.fm slash plus.

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