REWILD + FREE - MUSINGS + MAGICK: Embodiment Made Easy, Desire Made Holy, and Business Made to Nourish (MAY FULL MOON WITH LAUREN AND NICOLE)

Episode Date: May 11, 2025

Buckle up. This one’s a ride.We honestly joked that the whole thing could’ve just been a blooper reel LOL but buried inside the Moana 2 quotes, pizza-cupcake metaphors, fat cat analogies, and all the giggles…There’s something real here. Something tender. Something we both needed to say out loud, and maybe you needed to hear?? We hold our usual nuance and throughout this episode of Musings & Magick, we tumble through:The guilt and shame around wanting “too much”The difference between curated echo chambers and real, messy communityThe tug-of-war between honoring our natural limits and still longing for moreLetting go of labels like “lazy” or “productive” and just meeting ourselves where we areIf you’ve ever felt like you’re too much or not enough…If you’ve craved a life or business that doesn’t ask you to hustle through your exhaustion…If you’ve wondered whether your desires were holy or selfish or both… This one’s for you.Take a deep breath, love.This conversation is full of real life, big questions, sideways laughter, and sacred tangents. It’s messy. It’s nourishing. It’s a reminder that you’re not alone, and you’re not doing it wrong.Things We’re Chewing On:“Everything can be medicine, everything can be poison.” (Thank you, Quiddist, inspired by her recent Beyond Dogma series)The quiet ways we limit ourselves, and the wild permission of Mother energy to want more.Why your business has to run through your own filter. (Seriously, are you baking cupcakes with a pizza recipe?)Trusting your pace. Even when it’s slower than you expected. Especially then.This episode is a soft rebellion.A love song for your enoughness.A nudge to come home to the wisdom of your body and the truth of your desire..Offerings Mentioned:🎧 The Art of Holding SpaceOur private podcast: 12 short + bingeable episodes, plus a soulful workbook for reflection.We share the 9 core practices that have shaped how we hold space for others, and for ourselves.→ GET INSTANT ACCESS FOR FREE HERE 🌿 HELD: A 6-Month Community for Mother-Serving Visionaries If you’re craving a coaching space that is deeply relational, embodied, and honors your full humanity (not just your strategic brain), HELD might be for you.✨ Early bird pricing ends May 16. → LEARN MORE ABOUT HELD HERE We’re so glad you’re here.Thanks for walking this wild path with us.We love you.Xo, Lauren + Nicole

Welcome to Musings and Magic. I'm Lauren Fortuna-Flock. I'm a mother doula, the host of the Well-Nourished Mother podcast and a somatic matressin's guide. I support mothers through the waves of intensity motherhood brings, so they can fall in love with the mother they are and the mother they are becoming. And I'm Nicole Pazvir, a mom, wife, and host of the Rewild and Free podcast. I help women awaken beyond the conditioning that's been keeping them pretty, perfect, and pleasing so that they can live more consciously, mother intuitively, and grow their business holistically.

We've never met in real life and we live 700 miles apart. But we've been holding space for each other virtually since 2022 when we found each other in super similar seasons of life. Yeah, we were both in our retiring from a super secure nursing job, in the thick of postpartum and starting a heart led business era.

We found ourselves chatting for hours on Zoom, almost weekly, having the deep, why isn't anyone talking about this conversations around all things motherhood and conscious entrepreneurship. So we started recording these unfiltered and unscripted conversations to bring you this co-created series. We're inviting you in with deep trust that you'll receive whatever insight, wisdom, or solidarity you need in this season. Because we all know motherhood and entrepreneurship are lonely as fuck. Yeah we're blending our musings with a touch of magic, the kind of woo-woo more spiritual witchy stuff that we're both so curious about but don't fully relate to. Yet. Our intention is to invite more ritual into our lives so we're using this series to anchor into the cycle of the

moon, meeting on the full and new moons of each month. We'll do an energy check-in and explore nuanced conversations around big topics related to cyclical orientation, feminine embodiment in business and motherhood, and our own personal explorations related to reclaiming our inner witch. So if you're ready to come laugh, learn and reflect with us, then keep listening. But first we invite you to take the deepest breath you've given to yourself yet today. And when you're ready, let's go. Hi, friend. Another musings and magic.

Why are we so awkward? I know, every time. Like starting these is so funny. We'll just be chatting away and they're like, okay, we should hit record. And then as soon as we hit record, we both just like freeze and like giggle. Yeah. Hilarious. Hi.

Hi. So there's a full moon coming up. We just tried to like Google what this one's's about and then we were like, aren't they all like this? It's all very similar. Release and like, yeah, just coming closer into quote unquote alignment and your true authentic self and releasing the things that are basically getting in the way of those things. Where do little let's do a little energy check in like where are we at here?

Yeah, I don't it's funny like I energy wise I've shared with you, I know I sent you some texts over the weekend, and I shared online too that I've been noticing some wild shifts in my own energy, but it's not just like high energy to low energy, it's like more the friction that I'm noticing mentally that pops up when my body is kind of asking me to do something different. It's almost like I've been able to practice being in tune with my body. That's coming easier. So I am. And then when my body's wisdom is communicating, my mind is like, no, that can't be right. And so it's like that friction and it's yeah, that's been loud lately. Like questioning. Yeah. I'm also luteal phase. I want to look at it's funny. I

don't even know what day. Dogs are going crazy because we have scooper scoopers that come once a week. That's the Christmas present that my parents give us every year. It is the best Christmas present ever. So they pay for somebody to come and scoop the poop from your yard. Amazing. I don't think we'd ever pay for it ourselves, right? It's one of those things. It's like, no, we can scoop our own shit, even though nobody wants to. The thing is though, is like, if we were doing it ourselves, we don't do it as often as we should, right?

And then it piles up and of course, like with a toddler stomping around the grass, like obviously it's nice to have picked up consistently. So yeah, it is a beautiful gift. It is such a lovely thing. And I hope they continue to do it because it really is just so lovely. That's amazing. Anyways, yeah, I just looked. So I'm on cycle day 23. We're back to being almost the same. I'm on 22, I think. Oh, okay, that's

interesting. What's also interesting is I was looking at my past cycles and they had gotten short for a couple months, like shorter and shorter and shorter, like this is weird and kind of annoying. And then I realized I was bleeding on the new moon, like up until December. And so I think my cycle has taken about five months, and now I'm bleeding with the full moon. Like, super, super interesting. Anyways, yeah, these energy shifts, like I think it's also the transition of moving into my luteal phase and yeah, just not even like my inner critic being loud, but just, I don't even know. I don't even know. That was a whole bunch. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

That was a whole bunch of words to really say nothing. How about you? Yeah, I'm on day 22. I don't know. Yeah, I guess the moodial phase, but I feel pretty good. Pretty solid, good energy. Yeah, we all like really slept in last night. We almost were late dropping my daughter off at our little school program because we all slept till like almost 730.

That's so funny that that's sleeping in for you. I know, I know. Compared to you guys. Yeah. Um... It's interesting, like you said, like, I've had good energy or something, and that's something that I've been noticing is when I'm putting, like, good and bad

around what I'm feeling, and I'm just being really observant of that and wondering, like, oh, why am I calling that good? Like, why am I defining that as good? And then what am I saying is bad? And that's just been really interesting why am I calling that good? Why am I defining that as good? And then what am I saying is bad?

And that's just been really interesting to kind of pay attention to. Why do we think that like, well, I know why, right? Capitalism and everything else, just the praise that we get for being productive and getting things done obviously teeters us into feeling like that is good energy, right? We are more productive, we're more motivated, we get things done, we're whatever else comes with that. I think for me, there's also this level of,

it's how I interact with others, like specifically with my daughter and my husband. That's irritable. Yeah, yeah. So to me, it's like, oh, I'm having a good day. I'm feeling patient. I'm feeling regulated. I'm like, why are those things good?

And why is like irritability and being short or tempered, why is that bad? Yeah. When really like we both know it's just communication, right? It's just communication from our body. And yeah, it is just really interesting when we can begin to soften and kind of neutralize and be like, oh, okay, I'm kind of running on a shorter fuse. What can I do to tend to myself in this moment as opposed to like, this is bad and like, I want to have a longer fuse.

Yeah. Yeah. How can I tend to myself? What do I need? Yeah. Yeah, it's been, we've, as a team, had a really busy kind of last couple weeks. We've been really doing a lot of work together,

birthing our creations and holding a free class and putting finishing touches on our offering for the world. And I think that's playing a lot into, at least I'll speak for myself, like the energy shifts I was feeling last week as well moving into this week. It's kind of like we did this big, we had this big output of productivity and same thing. Yeah, it was kind of like all I wanted to do the last couple nights was just do nothing. Yeah, relate to that too. And even that is interesting though, because I can see that cycle, right? And I can, I can kind of neutralize it. I'm witnessing it. Okay, cool. Yeah, we

did all these things. Obviously, it would make sense that there'd be this transition of kind of coming down and just slowing down in some way. But again, noticing my mind wanting to say that's bad, right? You should keep going, there's still more to do. Like, something's wrong if you just need to like, veg out at night and watch TV with a glass of wine. Not super interesting. Like that, that just noticing the mind chatter, the sneakiness of it has been really interesting for me because I've, I've recognized that yeah, when my energy shifts, and like you just named, right, it's not just about productivity. It's also the interaction with other people,

the interaction I would say with like life itself, right? Like how hard does it feel to do laundry? How hard does it feel to go like run an errand? How hard does it feel to like wake up and brush my teeth in the morning? All of those things kind of pile up and are indicators for me of like how I'm doing. And again, there's not necessarily any good or bad there, but it is really interesting

how quick I am to want to assign good and bad labels to those things, right? It's bad if I'm not feeling energized and motivated to like brush my teeth. It's bad if I'm letting laundry pile up. And I wouldn't even say like it's bad because like society once said that being a good housewife and mom means you're on top of laundry. Like that's not it. It's more an indicator of me knowing that like

that's something that isn't always super hard for me to tend to. So in moments when it feels extra hard and extra daunting and extra overwhelming, that's just communication. Yeah. It's interesting for me too, cause like I feel like even a few months ago,

there was much more of that, like, oh, I'm, you know, I'm here again on the couch doing nothing. Like, why can't I be a different way? But even the last few months, I feel like I've really come to some deeper acceptance and understanding of my cycles. I think it might be as well, exploring that neurodivergent piece. It's maybe given me some of that too, to just be like, yeah, I know that this is the cycle. And I know that, yeah, spring will come, you know, and I think like deeper than that. Yeah, it's the neurodivergent

piece of like, recognizing that we both are our energy, our natural pace, includes that, like, hyper fixation and hyper obsessive period. So we had days where we were literally like on zoom together for several several hours probably longer than we would have been if we weren't together. And then obviously that compounds. And in the moment, like it felt really good, right? I guess like we just want to keep doing this. This doesn't even feel like it's like an external motivation and pressure. This feels very intrinsic.

Like there's real desire here and like, Oh yeah, like this, like even the word obsession has like a negative connotation to it, but I do get, I mean, we've talked about this, like, I think we both get into these kind of spirals where we're almost like obsessing over what's in front of us in a really good, juicy way. And I think we both like that feeling. And then, yeah, to come down from that, from my experience, even though I've kind of softened into, yeah, it could just be neurodivergence. Yeah, it's my cycle.

Yeah, I'm accepting. I don't need to change all of it. The transition is still really disorienting. Yeah. Yeah, it's tiring. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think for me, like, I've just been feeling so, I think teetering on overwhelm just not in like- You're under holding a lot right now. Yeah, yeah. Like,

a lot of moving parts in your life. I don't know if you want to speak to some of that right now, not like a juice, but just normalize that, yeah, life isn't just simple and linear. Yeah, there's just so many things happening and they're all good things. It's all things that I want to be happening. I'm on call for a birth right now. I've, you know, I had another new consult this morning. Like there's, my business is moving forward on its own, like organically.

And that's been really great, but it's made me realize that I do have to be very aware of like not taking too much work because my actual capacity to work hasn't changed yet. Like I'm still mainly a stay at home mom and I still mainly only work on the days my husband is off work. So that's like two, maybe three days a week.

And it's like very sporadic on those days. So there's a lot. And then there's nursing shifts that I can pick up here and there if I want them, which I haven't in the last like three or four weeks, which is fine. And then I've got like my daughter's birthday this weekend. So planning that there's just there's so much like mental load right now. That's teetering on

feeling pretty overwhelming. Although today, like somehow it all feels a bit better. I think it's just having the space today, like my husband's home, he's got my daughter, I'm able to kind of focus on some other things. But yeah, I was feeling like a lot last week for sure. Yeah, I can like relate to that in my own way, right? Obviously we're not living the same lives, but like we're going on vacation in less than two weeks. And so I can already feel obviously the excitement

and the anticipation of that, but also like the mental load that comes with preparing for vacation and making sure that my kid's bathing suits fit and does she have sandals and we need to get pesos and all the things. This isn't a male versus female thing. I'm not complaining about the mental load that I carry here. And I'm also recognizing that I don't think my husband is thinking about any of these things. And that is carry here. And I'm also recognizing that, like, I don't think my husband is thinking about any of these things, right? And that is totally okay. Like, I am okay with carrying

this. But I'm also recognizing that, yeah, like, it's not just getting to pour into my business. It's not just getting to pour into my self care and my own like, energy and spirituality and all of those things. It's also, yeah, I'm a mom, and I take care of the house and like we're still fostering this cat. So we have decided he's going up for adoptions. Why have to write his little like profile

and like send in pictures and like how to take him to like the vet yesterday to be medically cleared, right? It's all of those things. Yeah, I lost my train of thought there. Like, why were we talking about? I'm the wrong person to ask. I think just kind of like normalizing that like, oh, because I had said that like, things aren't just linear, right? And like, we can, we can kind of start to like neutralize these energetic shifts in

these cycles. And also, it's not that simple, because there's all the moving pieces that are still existing in life. Yeah, and I know like, I don't know if you felt any of this, but I didn't even realize it till after the fact, but we had an election here in Canada, what, like a week or two ago? I think actually just last week. And I didn't think I was feeling charged about it. But after the fact, it was just really interesting to notice my body feeling things that I wasn't able to intellectualize. And so there's all of those things, right?

There's so many moving parts and moving pieces. Yeah, it's a lot all at once. And then like you said, matching it to your current capacity. And I think that's one of the biggest things that you and I kind of like teach and preach and live by is like, all of this cycle, cyclical awareness, and like, nervous system stuff, and like, just like looking at life through that lens, it's all hunky dory, but you also have to look at your current capacity and be really realistic with it.

And I think a lot of the online world, at least maybe the echo chamber that I've put myself in is kind of obsessed with how do we expand our capacity? How do we just hold more? How do we like, just hold more? How do we like, it's all about expansion. And I don't know, like, how about we first learn to just meet ourselves where we're at? Like, can we start there? Because I would argue that as a society collectively, we're not very good at that. For many of us, we've spent our whole lives, like teetering on the edge of

what our capacity is. So let's just like learn what our limits are. Yeah. And then practice anywhere. Yeah. Yeah. And learning the early signs of those limits, not the burnout that comes afterwards. Yeah. Like where, what is, what shows me that I'm reaching my edge? Not there yet, but yeah. And then how do you make changes to adapt? Yeah, well even that, like that edge, it's funny because my mind wants to have like a concrete written in stone definition of that. And that in itself, that edge continues to like shift and evolve within my own inner cycle and shifts and evolves in response to like all the other pieces and parts that we just named, right? It's so complex.

Yeah. It's nuanced as always. I was thinking the other day, like I was, I was probably talking to myself in the car as I typically always do. But I'm going for this, oh, I can feel myself losing my train of thought as I'm saying the words. So to finish your sentence, are you going to talk about your blood transfusion? Infusion, yeah, my iron infusion. Yeah, yeah, your iron transfusion.

But I forget the point now. No, go back. Oh, no. Well, we were talking about energy and capacity and... See, this is why I need the ironing. Learning your... Know your limits, stay within it. Oh my god, it's like right there.

I'm just going to take us somewhere else for a second because now... So I just laughed at my own corny joke of like, know your limits. You did, yeah. Sorry, I left you hanging there. And I've been having this craving, and again, there's almost like this negative connotation, I almost feel bad for naming this, but I've been craving red wine lately. And again, because I'm in a season of really paying attention and noticing this good versus bad kind of dialogue in my head. I've challenged it a bit and I'm like, oh, why do I think that's bad?

Is it because, yeah, going down that train and instead I've kind of softened into like, okay, well actually maybe there's nutrients in red wine that my body wants, right? Red wine has things in it that are sort of good for us minus the alcohol part. So I've allowed myself to kind of play in that territory. I've also wondered like, is my body craving kind of this flavor of numbing out? And again, I'm kind of allowing myself to ride that potential without judgment. And I mean, I'm only having like one glass, but it's just really, really interesting. Again, just the good versus bad dialogue. That's why I'm bringing this in. I'm not the type of person that just drinks wine at home alone. I drink socially, and

I probably don't know my limit and I don't stay within it when I'm like out with friends. I usually actually regret my decisions around drinking. So't stay within it when I'm like out with friends. I usually actually regret my decisions around drinking. So I'm kind of, I'm careful and I'm sense, I know I'm sensitive to it. So I'm quite careful. So I think there's maybe even some fear of like, Ooh, how am I going to feel if I have like one glass of wine, like three nights in a row? Anyways, and so I've had, I've had a glass of wine two nights in a row and I feel totally fine. It's just been a fun little experiment for myself. Yeah, I mean, that's a really interesting conversation.

Like for me, I've never had a great relationship with alcohol and I have certainly used wine as a way to regulate myself in the evenings. And for me, like my husband doesn't drink alcohol at all. So it is me drinking alone. And yeah, I think since October, since I did that like hormone group coaching kind of program, I've tracked it on my phone

and tracking it has been so illuminating. Like I've really, I feel like I've healed that part of me that wants to lean on wine as a regulation tool. So it's been really cool to, especially in the last couple months, just notice that like that urge isn't there anymore at all. And when I am feeling that like discomfort, I mean, yeah, I'm probably just filling it with Netflix, but it's just neat to see that I don't need to use that tool. Yeah, I think we had this conversation probably back

in the fall when you were experimenting with this and I had named it like my alternative is like social media. Like I've recognized that social media is like what I go to to kind of like not amount and disassociate. And I think also probably since the fall I've been using like app blockers on my phone and I've kind of given myself some strict-ish boundaries with social media that at first felt kind of restrictive and I don't like putting restrictions on myself.

But since I've like they just feel so clean and good and like I don't find myself craving or reaching for social media in those pockets of time anymore. It's just all really, really interesting. And the other thing that's coming up for me in this conversation, and this this is inspired by kiddists recent for class series, I mean, Beyond Dogma or something. I know we both signed up. I know you haven't watched the replay yet. I've watched the first class. And in it, they were talking about how everything can be poison and

everything can be medicine. And that has really stuck with me and again this good versus bad narrative and dialogue that I keep witnessing internally is really loving chewing on this idea of like everything gets to be poison and everything gets to be medicine. And so you interact with it. Yeah. Yeah. Spectrum. Yeah, then black and white. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. I think what I was trying to share about earlier, full circle, I got it back. Because we were talking about, yeah, like matching your capacity and like getting kind of comfortable with the fluctuations and with the cycles. And yeah, like I think I'm at this point, especially with my, like I have Hashimoto's

and I've been tinkering with medication and feeling lots of fluctuations with that as well, like on a physiological level. I think I'm just at this point where I'm almost feeling like sick of the cycles. I'm just annoyed and like sick of the fluctuations and like wishing that I could feel more stable when it comes to my energy.

But I know that that like, even when things are dialed in, it's always gonna be fluctuating. But just really noticing this feeling of frustration, like, ugh, why can't it just be, why do I have to continually have to adapt to all of this? That's interesting. And even the word stable. What does that mean?

And obviously, stability has a positive connotation with it. We want stability. There's a sense of safety with stability. And so like, that's not even like a false sense of safety. Like that's real, we understand from like a visceral somatic perspective, like the body thrives with quote unquote stability, but also yeah, what the fuck is stability?

And like what, yeah, what the fuck is stability? And like what? Yeah, it's just a really interesting thing to kind of like step back and be like, wait, like, are these fluctuations bad? Good? Like what? Yeah, who's what? Whose definition? Like, just where is all that coming from? And again, the neurodivergence piece, right? When we're talking about kind of those sprints that you and I both experience, where maybe all of our lives we've kind of been told that that's not good, that's not stable. And also realizing that, but wait a minute, maybe that's like our magic and maybe that's where some of our deepest deepest most potent wisdom lies, right? That's what I've been recognizing and really leaning into is like trusting my pace. Trusting my pace. That's a big one. Yeah, I mean that just ties in with like redefining what

success looks like and means for you. Every conversation, right? And you're doing the magic is about like redefining success and redefining consistency. It's our life's work, okay? Truly, it is though, because it's so hard because it is against the grain. It is a little bit rebellious. It's not mainstream to do this and think about these things. And like trusting your pace in a world that says like fast and hard and now and yesterday and like it's it's hard to do that to trust your

pace and to not compare to other people and what they're doing and how they're doing it. And yeah, actually really interesting like looking back at our week last week and how so we had our free class, which ended up being basically two hours and 40 minutes. And then after that, we're like, Okay, well, nobody's gonna watch the recording of that. And that was obviously a big assumption on our part, because we both recognized we wouldn't watch the report. Love

you if you've signed up and watch the recording. But I would say that for the general population that Lauren and I are in relationship with, we know you likely aren't going to watch that recording, right? It'd be different if it was just like 45 minutes. But it's quite daunting and overwhelming to set aside two hours and 40 minutes of potentially uninterrupted time. And obviously watching it in pockets is just annoying. And so we both felt really excited, like, oh, why don't we already have this recorded? Let's just plop it into a private podcast. And again, that felt really easy for both of us since we both already have podcasts and the editing is easy, all of that, the back end piece is so easy.

So we felt really excited by that. And looking at it, like from a bird's eye view, like looking down at us and our energy and our flow last week, it's almost like borderline manic, like how much we got done. And I almost wonder like, oh shit, like are people, what if people are judging us and thinking that we're not actually like embodied because we're always talking about like being just like in right and it's so interesting that my mind wants to go there when actually that was the most embodied thing we could do. Yeah. But that's what you mean by like you can't exactly because like I was kind of like, oh shit, what if

people are comparing our energy to theirs and they're thinking, well, I never could have done that that would have taken me weeks to do. Lauren and Nicole must be like, self extracting and self abandoning and like so funny. More of the story, stay in your own lane, trust your pace. Trust your pace means like trusting that like obsessive manic hyper fixated like season if you also feel that. Yeah, if it's part of your story, if it's part of your yeah. And now that I know that we're both almost synced up, like we would have been riding the ovulatory energy,

of course, we got as much done last week as we did. Of course, it all makes sense. Yeah. There was also something you said about how like today feels a bit different. And you named that maybe part of it is just that spaciousness of like your husband being home and obviously yeah it's kind of the first day to your work week. It is for me too but I also want to name that like we both have recognized that there's so much safety and spaciousness and like softness in getting to like co create and co regulate together. Like I have really recognized that that like even in the moments where either one of us might feel kind of like disconnected or distracted in some way, we just so beautifully get to like lean on each other and kind of come back to to like lean on each other and kind of come back to what is actually alive and kind of like ready to be birthed in the moment. And that is such a gift. Like I just want to like name like how beautiful this this collaboration has been. Yes, I want everyone to experience

I want everyone to have a Lauren in their lives. I want everyone to have Nicole in their lives. It's true though, and it makes me think like, why isn't everyone collaborating, especially mother entrepreneurs? Like I will never, like I will die on this hill. Like we should be, well should, you know, but we, you know, it's just such a beautiful way to create things, especially when you're leaning into your shifting capacity and all of the other things that you have going on, like having a partner, having somebody that can mirror things back to you, even if you're not collaborating,

like on a project, we even do this when we each have our own things going on and just having somebody there that can like mirror things back to you that can help you see your blind spots that can like be like, okay, hold up, you're overthinking this. Yeah, like if we could all build our businesses this way to where you've got this like mirror and community to kind of lean on. The opposite is that it ends up feeling so lonely when you're trying to create these things. Well, and that loneliness, I would argue is almost self-inflicted because so many of us are walking around with like, a like, it's almost like this wound of like hyperindependence. Yeah. Right? And so I know for me, like I can speak to my own experience and almost feeling like I'm not worthy of success, or I'm cheating or yeah, there's just some, some subtle friction.

If I'm not doing it by myself. Yeah, no, that's not real. Right. And I know that that's a symptom of just the systems that we live and play in. I know that that's a symptom of just the systems that we live and play in, but like that's in my body. So to recognize that and to allow myself to soften into true collaboration has been such a gift. Yeah, it's just so freeing. Like just knowing that we're each, and I think we're so good at like seeing

what the other person's strengths and, you know, I don't even wanna call them weaknesses, just like even desires and what you enjoy doing and what you don't enjoy doing. Like we really play off of that with each other. So then everything feels fun. Like it all feels juicy and enjoyable. I think the default is to kind of look outside yourself and compare. And obviously like I get where that's coming from,

because especially when you're newer in like whatever you're doing, it's quite natural to like look outside to learn, right? Like if you think about like back in the day, like we learned in like apprenticeships and like you learned by having modeled to you. So of course we're looking outside of ourselves, like in the context of business, of course you're looking outside of ourselves, like in the context of

business, of course you're looking, oh well how are they doing it? And you're looking to people that like have what you want and you're like, yeah, like how are you doing it? Like I want to learn from you. But what comes with that is we kind of get like obsessive and we cling on to the way they do things and the way they do things works for them and their energy and their current capacity. And then we forget to actually like run it through our own filter, run it through our own capacity, run it through our own like desires and all of that, right? Like I feel like I've spoken about this somewhere, one time, about the analogy of like, it makes sense that we're kind of looking for a recipe to follow. But the problem is, is we're, it's almost like we're, we're looking for other people's recipes. And that recipe might for might be for like a pizza when we're actually

trying to build a cake. We're trying to make a cake, we're trying to bake a cake. You don't know what I mean, right? And so the question here, not only is it about like knowing, exploring, trusting your own energy, your own pace, and also knowing, learning, exploring, trusting your own capacity, but it also requires you to like know, learn, explore your own desires and like what success actually looks like and means for you. Like where are you trying to take this what are you trying to make with this recipe card yeah that's funny we do that like in motherhood too where we like what are they doing how are they doing it should I be doing it I want to say like there's nothing wrong with that right again this

this poison versus medicine right at the like there's nothing wrong with that, right? Again, this poison versus medicine, right? At the core, there's nothing wrong with that. That is how we as social creatures learn. We learn through like modeling and we learn through storytelling and we learn through like other people's lived experiences. Right? Back in the day, like even birth,

like you had the wise women around you. You had your sisters and your aunties and the village women, right? Like, we're not supposed to do this shit alone. This desire piece that I didn't even know I was going to talk about has been really interesting for me lately because I've noticed myself almost feeling like, what is it? It's like, it's like I'm bad if I'm wanting too much. I feel like I've spent a large part of my life not being connected to my desires, not really knowing what I wanted. I joke that like I followed society's to-do list and it's not a joke, it's true. But more recently, like over the past couple of years,

I've kind of reconnected with my desires and like, what do I actually want? What do I want just for the sake of wanting? And now I'm at this point of like, oh no, I want too much. I'm too needy, I'm too blah, blah, blah. And one of my teachers, Julie Albain, gave a beautiful metaphor for this, that again, I've just been chewing on. And it's not even a metaphor, but just like how... hold on, I don't want to mess this up.

It's like this like mother energy versus this father energy. And for anyone, including myself, who has kind of been brought up in like a religious household and stuff, praying to God, we're kind of taught like, don't ask for too much or like you have to like be worthy of what you're asking for. You have to like pay gratitude first. I don't even know what the narrative is. But the example that Julia gave is like, when you're asking your dad for something, like let's say you're going to your dad as like a teenager and you're saying like, dad, I really need to borrow $500. You are likely going to like have that ask with a bunch of like fluff around it to

showcase your worthiness of like why you are deserving of that $500. And you're going to like say, and I'll do this, this and this this and like just put a lot of like protection around it so that he's like willing to give it to you versus when you're going to your mom for something so again we're talking about desires right when you're going to your mom the mother energy of wanting you just lay it all out right like you might be like crying on prom night and being blah blah blah doesn't like me and the dress doesn't fit and my makeup isn't right and my hair isn't right and the shoes don't fit and blah blah blah blah blah and mom is just like yeah we'll figure it

out. And so the point in all this is really recognizing that that like energy of feeling like I'm wanting too much again is just a symptom of the conditioning and like the system that we live and play in. And what's actually more true is like the universe, the more mother energy can hold it all. It can hold all of me and I am worthy of all of my desires and my wants. I can lay it all out. Did that make sense? It did. Yes. Yes. out. Did that make sense?

Yes, yes. Yeah. And like, how does it feel in your body when you like play with that? Like play with that mother asking the mother energy? I feel like I can just kind of like lean back. Right? It feels like I can take up space. It feels like it feels yeah, if there's this there's kind of this like feeling of safety in my body that one I can lean back to I can like be wide and literally like take up more space. And three, there's no like, it's almost like that the father energy is like I have to stand tall and like my chin needs to be up and I need to like prove myself in some way.

There's none of that. There's no proving. It's just like I am. I am worthy. I, I, all of it belongs. Like I am allowed to want all of this. Yeah, you made an interesting point like about, yeah, growing up in the Catholic, Christian, whatever, praying to God. Yes, it was very much like, oh, don't ask for too much and make sure you promise you'll do something good. Yeah, to balance it out. Yeah. A deep one to untangle. Yeah. I think it shows up in sneaky ways untangle. Yeah, I think it shows up in sneaky ways in our businesses where, again, speaking from my own experience, there's been this flavor of like, if I win, you lose. And again, that's not true, right? That might be true in the energy of like competition, but you and I are talking about like collaboration, and just what it's like to be in in relationship in whatever capacity, right? And like, again, what's more truthful

is that like, if I win, you win. Yeah. It's not like if I if I win, I'm not taking away something from you. What does that have to do with anything? What did you just say? What did you just say that made me say that? I don't know. I don't have any recall. I'm so sorry for the people that have to listen to us. That like I was I was on to something. I swear I was onto something. Cause I had said, oh, well in the context of business, but what did you say that made me, that turned a light bulb on? Um.

Oh, that's so funny. No idea. We need a rewind button, like for us. Also probably need bloopers. I mean, this whole episode could just be a blooper. Oh. Oh. I mean, this whole episode could just be a blooper. You've made it this far, thanks. Okay, what else do we want to talk about?

We want to, obviously we want to talk about what we're doing in the world right now. We just mentioned that we had our class last week, it's two hours and 40 minutes, and we've turned that into a podcast. So yeah, there's a podcast now available. It's called the art of holding space. Like we just just that flavor, right? We wanted it to be something that didn't feel so intense. And so that feels really juicy. That's there. But our intention with that is to also continue contributing to it and add some like bonus episodes as we're feeling inspired. And I know last week we talked about this,

like, oh, well, what does this mean for Musings and Magic? And I think what we kind of came to is Musings and Magic still gets to and will exist. It's gonna continue to be like our monthly recap, likely with like the full moon of each month. But this private podcast feels really really juicy in regards to the mother-serving visionary population community that we serve and also our like shared love and passion for embodied business. Yeah, yeah. So like who, who is this mini podcast for? Like it's for, yeah, if you're serving mothers

in one way or another, or you're interested in kind of doing business in a different way, that's gonna be the spot to listen. And we're gonna dive into some really interesting topics and themes. And you have like 12 episodes ready to listen right now, like Nicole said. Juicy episodes. Juicy episodes. Yes.

But they're also only five to 20 minutes long. Yes. Yeah. super easy to digest. And then like we said, we're gonna add some bonus episodes too. So we'll make sure there's links for that there. But yeah, let's talk about this like embodied business. Like what does that mean? That language has kind of been floating around for us

for a while now. And I think we finally just like landed on it. Like, ooh, let's actually like start using this word. I was joking, we should like get it get it trademarked because really it encompasses so many of the things we talk about, right? Like, for me, like embodied business is looking at our business or, or being in relationship with our business through the lens of all of the things you and I like live and breathe, right? So awareness, somatics, nervous system,

the things we just talked about, right? Meeting your current capacity, obviously staying in the limits of your current capacity if that's your season, and also there's gonna be seasons of expansion and growth, right? So just having that discernment to know which season you're in.

And then also, like the piece around desire and what do you want and like whose rules are you following in your business? Like whose definition of success are you moving towards? And just all of that. Yeah, it's like finding your own way. Like, yes, there's a place for like strategy. And I think that word strategy is what got us thinking about an alternative term, right? Like business strategy, everybody. Yeah, it's just, it feels kind of icky for me, because

the mainstream business strategy is so extractive. It's so like, the point is to make more money. And well, yeah, of course, we all need and want to make money but we wanna do it in a more, in a way that's more aligned with our values. That's built on integrity. That's built on being our authentic selves. So it's like, you know, we still wanna share about strategy but we want that strategy to come from within,

to be embodied, to be something that you can really get behind and like something that really matches like, like you said, like your capacity, your own nervous system state, your all of that. Yeah. In your own words, Lauren, like what the fuck does embodied mean? Oh God. In your own words, Lauren, like what the fuck does embodied mean? Oh god. I think it means like when your internal matches the external.

Like I think when the things you are saying match how you're feeling, match how you're showing up. What does integrity mean then? Yeah, that's very similar to that. That's more almost like behavior based. Yeah, I'd say that's more like, how does your behavior match? What you like values and morals and ethics. Yeah. It's born from that. Yeah. Yeah. Because it'll never be the same, you know, as somebody else. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, embodied. Hmm. What's your definition of embodied? I knew you were obviously told me fair if I asked you to. Yeah, that's right.

Again, being in relationship with your body. And I think there's so much noise out there. I won't even say noise. There's so many people talking about mindset and there's so many people talking about somatics. mindset and there's so many people talking about somatics and embodiment is not just looking through the lens of like somatics and your body like in my mind like embodiment is all of it it's truly resonance of what's inside is also kind of being expressed on the outside. There's an expression to it.

Yeah. Yeah, it's like being present and conscious to your experience. Yeah. Yeah. When I think in order to be embodied, right, in order to be embodied, you have to start learning the language of all of the things we've kind of touched on, right? Like learning the language of your nervous system and beginning to recognize, like, what are, what are the markers in the communication happening internally for me to see and be able to translate where I'm at?

When am I feeling dysregulated? When am I feeling safe? Like, what does it actually feel like in my body? What does safety and stability feel like? What is my definition of those things? Yeah, yeah. I think if you were to ask me that again, I think what I would really say is in being embodied as being present, because you can't be embodied if you're not present with your

experience, like somebody who's disembodied is literally they're vacant, like they're you're thinking about six other things and you can feel the difference. They're not there with you. They're being embodied as being present. You're present to the world around you. You're present to this moment. You're present to what's happening in your body. You're present to the moment your brain wants to go away and you're able to kind of, yeah. Yeah, I love that because again, it's not necessarily about, and again, I've said this in places where like, embodiment isn't a destination, it's a verb, right? It's something that you are conscious, like a way of living

and breathing. And yeah, so to kind of simplify it and, and describe it as, as presence. Yeah, being present. Yeah, being present and alive to what's happening both like internally and externally in this moment. Yeah. So like embodied business. Right. So good. Yeah, let's bring it back here. Embodied business. Yeah. Being present to what you're doing. Why are you doing it? Why are you just following somebody else's plan? Are you being discerning? Are you creating something that you want to create?

It's like all those big questions. Definitely what's alive. What's alive right here, right now. Not tomorrow, not in five years, not yesterday. And like it feels rebellious to me. And I just, I love that word lately. I don't know. It feels rebellious to like want to build a business that's a little bit different than everybody else. It feels rebellious to like, I think that's why it's refreshing, because we are

again, I mean, maybe we're in little echo chambers. But I think like the online community, there's a lot of like, cookie cutter, copy and paste. And I know we've been in communities where we're literally being sold. Yeah. Cookie cutter. Templates. Right here, take this thing. And then you can go teach this thing with your own logo

and your own brand colors. But like that's not embodied. Yeah. Yeah. It's almost like, it's like that can be its own rite of passage too though. I agree. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, it's almost like it's like that can be its own rite of passage to though. I agree. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, like moving through that to like build your confidence a little bit and like my analogy of the recipe, like I don't think it's

bad to have that desire in the beginning to look outside yourself. That's where we can get inspired. That's where you can also start to, to flex your discernment muscles and realize, oh, like, I like that, and I didn't like that. And I want to try that on for size., I like that and I didn't like that and I want to try that on for size but I know I don't like that. But that's the important part. I don't know why I snapped. That was a bit of gruff. I wonder if that will even be heard. That was hilarious. Staying in for sure. What was I saying? The recipe card? Oh, that I was saying that it's important that you're flexing your own discernment muscle and putting things through your own filter. And this is

why it's so important to have a clear sense of your values, your desires, what your current capacity is. Because otherwise you're just going to start building these pizzas. And at the end of the day, you're going to be like you're like well fuck this I didn't actually want pizza I was trying to make cupcakes. Right? Yeah and then imagine like imagine a community of other people that are wanting to do the same thing. Yeah I'm going to. I'm winking at Nicole like segue, segue. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is like this literally is what Held is all about, isn't it? It is. That was so easy. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. Hold on before we before we actually talk about H in a semi-professional way, coming back to embodied business, another choice of words we've been playing with, kind of like moving away from business,

just because again, it just feels very blah, we've kind of been, or at least I've been sometimes playing with body of work. Because that's that, okay, hold on, no, let's backtrack. So we just kind of define embodied. What do we mean by business? And this is where I want to say like, it's not just like, the offering you have in the world. It's not just your like, sexy, short bio in Instagram, like it's your body of work. It's like all of the things that you do, the relationship you have with that offering,

with that hat that you wear that is your bio. It's also like the legacy and the impact and the depth, the connection. And yeah, it just feels like so much wider and deeper than to me what the word business holds. Less transactional, more relational. Yeah, and I just got this visual of like a stone being like skipped across a pond and like the limitless like ripples that come with that.

I feel like a body of work in the context that I'm kind of speaking to it on. And I guess that context is like where you are showing up like you are spoiler. So like the class we hosted last week is reclaiming the art of holding space. And we talk about how like you are the art, right? Holding space is not some sciency textbook thing that it's not like a skill that you get to go learn in a training, it's the embodiment and the expression of you, all of you.

And I think, yeah, body of work holds space for all of you versus business in the context that I've kind of seen it, like you said, is very transactional, but it also just feels like very boxed in. Yeah. Yeah. It's almost got this like professional, like you got to keep things separate and what we're really...

Compartmentalized. Pardon? Compartmentalized. Yeah. And what we're really into is like you can't be embodied in your business and then go turn around and like ignore all the pieces of your life that are influencing how you're showing up in your business. Like it all it's like an ecosystem right and we talk about this in the class as well like you create an ecosystem of safety. Another trademark

that we need to yeah another trademark. But I want the little tm beside our words. We can just put it there it's fine. Okay that's good. But yeah like you create this ecosystem of safety but it works with what you're saying as well Nicole like like it's not just the transactions we're talking about the whole ecosystem of your life and business and how they interact and how you show up and Being thrown into the pond and the ripples that it creates Right, like I think again in the context of the type of work that you and I do the type of people we work with it's generational healing and then it's also

like Yeah, like it's what I'm it's both sides, I guess, like ancestral healing and generational healing. And that's where I get this visual of like, the ripples being cast and like the limitless of that limitlessness of that versus business. And this is just semantics at this point, like, this is laughable, we can probably stop here. But like, business just feels very, almost like short term. And I don't get I don't get that that visceral sensation of like the limitlessness with it that I do with body of work.

Well, I think it just shows us like, the types of businesses or bodies of work that we're longing for. It is something that's deeper, more depth, more connection, more community, more. It's not just this pretty little thing that is like here and we go to it sometimes and we go away from it sometimes. Nine to five. Yeah, like it's not that for us. Like this is how we live and breathe and we we wanna build a business, build a body of work that matches that, that allows us to not have to take off all our other hats.

It allows us to bring that to our business and serve from that place. And I think this is the missing piece. This is exactly what's left out in most certifications. If you've done a doula training, did they even talk about business? Probably not. And if they've done a doula training, did they even talk about business? Probably not. And if they did, it was probably very much a like

cookie cutter, this is what you should do. And this is how you get more followers. And this is, you know, very prescriptive. But nothing, you know, or even like if you take a, join a business coaching thing, you're not talking about your personal life in that. You're not talking about- It's just compartmentalized in whatever direction you go, right? business coaching thing. You're not talking about your personal life in that. You're not talking about...

It's just compartmentalized in whatever direction you go, right? Yeah. Yeah. So what we're kind of creating, I don't know if we want to go there, like what we're creating is this space for it to all be there. And... Why do I sign up? I know, right? I'm excited. We have a ginormous Google Doc. Every time we're in it, we're like, oh, this is so good.

Where do I sign up? And it's just so fun. We have to lead the thing. Which is probably the best part. We get to lead the thing. We are so stoked to be the creators, the facilitators, the embodied leaders of this thing. And I say embodied leader very intentionally because there's no hierarchy, right?

We are really creating this space as more of a circle, I guess, right? And it's explorative, not prescriptive. Yeah, like it's not us teaching you how to do something. Yeah, this is the way. It's us helping you build your own recipe card. Yeah, nice. Nice job. Pizza, cupcakes, donuts, I don't know.

Are you hungry Nicole? No, I don't. It's just a good analogy. It was a good analogy because we get again, nothing wrong with the recipe card. And again, coming back to like this idea of like, poison versus medicine, I guess I just want to like de shame because I think this is a slippery slope. And again, it's almost a rite of passage where in like early on in your business, you do go through the rite of passage of potentially mentoring or training with someone that offers more of a

prescriptive approach, and you try it and there's the lucky few that it works for and they get like instant another snap that's so aggressive. Another, that like that, like it appears like instant success. And then, yeah, I would say for the majority, like, it feels like it's not working. And it can be really quick to internalize like, oh, well, it's my fault. I didn't try hard enough, or I didn't follow the recipe good enough. I skipped an ingredient, I skipped a step, or I did something in the wrong order. And I mean, what I would argue is it's actually none of that. It's more accurate that you probably just didn't run things through your own filter and you were following a recipe that there's nothing wrong with the recipe and there's nothing wrong with like the things you did. It just wasn't actually what you were wanting, right? You were making pizza when you want to make cupcakes. Yeah. And there's so many like

somatic layers to this too, which we also are excited to explore and like lead you through and like practice playing with and like, where else can you get that? Because everything's so compartmentalized, right? In the coaching space, you can go find maybe like a conscious business mastermind. Amazing. You could go find a motherhood circle. You could go find a training for like somatics and like nervous system stuff. But like, where can you find

it all? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're weaving all of that in together into one community, one six month community. Yeah, six month feels like a really juicy amount of time. It might feel long for some people, but like that's where you get to really play, especially within your own nervous system, within your own, yeah, there's lots of room for growth and discovery and meeting yourself and... Yeah. And I think again, coming back to this like collaboration between you and I

like, where else can you find a group that's hosted by like two really cool humans, not just I wasn't sure where you were gonna go with that. No, but I just like it is really cool like how we are blending our unique strengths. And obviously there's a lot of parallels, right? There's a lot of things that we share in common. We have a lot of shared passions. We have a lot of shared interests.

We have a lot of shared trainings and like things on our resume. And also we're both entirely different humans and we have a different lens that we're looking through life from. We have different lived experience, we have different values even. That feels kind of weird to say but it's true. Yeah. And so like where else do you even get to see that kind of partnership and relationship being modeled where we're not just completely one in the same. And like, yeah, like I feel like a lot of like partnerships I see, it's either complete opposites where they're completely in their own lanes. And we're not that right, because there's a lot of crossover, but we're also not just in the same lane.

Yeah. I'm trying to think of a food analogy. I don't know how to put it. We can let it go now. Yeah. No, but it's true. Yeah. Like we bring completely different, even facilitation styles, like not completely different, but

they're different. And like our, yeah, there are many things that we do not agree on and that's okay, even though our current... I think that's the goal, but that's what I was trying to say. Whereas we're not, we're not, we are in a society where that is not being modeled. Right? And we can talk, we could probably do a whole episode on like cancel culture and like all of that.

Like one of the, one of the things that we talk about in the private podcast is the importance of like rupture and repair and also the importance of like knowing your values and also like knowing and naming your privileges and your biases. And again, I feel like you and I are embodying those things, right? We are expressing them, we are modeling them, and we're not doing so in a way like, oh, look at us, this is right,

and what you're doing is wrong. But as a, just, yeah, here's an example, here's like don't don't copy us, but like it's just kind of widening the permission field I guess. Yeah, yeah and like that's the point of Held really is to like help you figure out what that looks like for you. It's not for us to like change your mind and make you think one way or the other and get on board with this. We wanna disagree. Yeah, yeah, we wanna disagree, yeah. Yeah. And show that it's okay to be in community

where we're not all the same and we don't all think the same way. Oh, this reminds me, didn't I? I sent you a post over the weekend. I wanna find it, because this totally speaks to that. Do you remember, do you know what I'm talking about? I do not. Maybe I like dreamt about sending it to you. Yeah, okay. It says, how do you find a community that fully matches your beliefs and values? You don't. You learn how to befriend people from all walks of life and prioritize relationships over opinions.

Otherwise, all you have is an echo chamber. Yes. And oh my god, like that, that's it, right? I think that's what we're seeing in all the other communities and containers and groups is it's just like these echo chambers. And when we're talking about kind of the copy and paste, the regurgitation just with your own like branding and logo, like that's just another flavor of the echo chamber or like how often are you in a group where you just end up kind of treating whatever the mentor, the coach, the trainer is teaching you and you you use that that's like your new dogma that's your new prescription and Lauren and I are just like so against all of that and I think yeah our intention really is to not create an echo chamber yeah it's to create a space for for a vast variety of opinions, a vast variety of...

Yeah, I don't even know. There's like no spaces to do that right now, especially within our culture. Like speaking up about something or showing that you're questioning something can feel really scary. So having a community where you can like bring it in the group and be like, hey, like this is what I'm grappling with right now.

Like, I'm not, you know, I'm not holding firmly to one opinion or the other. I want to explore what my opinion and beliefs even are. And there's no space to do that. There's no safe space to do that right now. So that's part of the intention of, of why we want this to be a strong community, why we want it to be six months long, so we

can go through six cycles if you're cycling, you know, like there was something you said there about like, shoot, I don't even know what your words were, but what I took from it is like, you don't have to know what you like we talk a lot about like, what's your heart bleeding for? Like, what are you willing to like draw a line in the sand for? And like, what we're saying is like, you don't have to know those things. What we're actually creating is a space for you to explore those things. And yeah, come in and be like, this is kind of what I'm challenging. This is what I'm chewing on right now.

I don't know. It's a safe, it's a space so you can come and say, like, I don't know. Yes. Yeah. The I don't know is welcome. I don't know is yeah, it tells us so much. And there's like so much to play with there. Is now a good time for me to throw in my Moana 2 quote again.

It's just brought me so much medicine in the past couple of weeks. And the fun thing is, is I haven't even seen all of Moana 2 yet. I've just seen pockets of it when Aubrey's watching it with Dylan. And the other week I like walked into the living room and I just saw a scene, have no idea who the character was

because I don't think she's in Moana one. And she's talking to Moana and saying like, we're way showers. And part of being a way shower means you don't know where you're going. And part of not knowing where you're going means you have to be comfortable with getting lost. And that just every time I think about that I'm like oh my god right like I need to get comfortable

and find peace with being lost I need to get comfortable and find peace with that I don't know I really need to okay let's full circle here full moon all about like letting things go and like coming into closer alignment with our most authentic self. I am letting go this like need to have things figured out and this like need to know what's next. I want to like just bask and dwell and like literally just be like the fat cat that's sitting... Oh, he's not on my chair right now. Damn it, cat.

This would have been a perfect... The fat cat that's usually sitting on my chair right now just taking up so much space. I want to be the fat cat just basking in the sun in the land of I don't know. And I don't know where I'm going. I don't know what I believe. I don't know who I am. Yeah. And what we're saying really is that this is held as like a beautiful space to do that and to be that and to yeah.

Bring your fat cat energy. I don't think we could make this episode any more weird. I know it's a little unhinged but I'm loving it. more weird. I know it's a little unhinged but I'm loving it. Yeah. Should we share a little bit more about like what's inside Health? Like what's... Maybe but they can also like read the sales page. This is where it's always like I don't want to be too salesy and obviously like we're not salesy because we're just talking about it. But also, like, OK, hold on, I'm going to go on a riff here. I feel like so many of the mainstream business programs are always teaching you, like, this is how you pitch your offer and like, don't don't just like start with all the details.

You have to really like sell the transformation and on an emotional level. And then you can tell them the details. They don't care about how many Zoom calls and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And like, you know, I somewhat agree with that. And also like you do care about the Zoom calls and like when they are, because obviously this, this experience, this, this offering wouldn't even be an option for you if you can't make it to the calls. Right.

So those details are important. And also I trust that the people listening have like autonomy and sovereignty and like can click on the sales page if they want to find those things. For sure. Like, I don't think we need to spoon feed them those details. But we can write if you're listening and like you're going for a walk or you're driving and you can't click on the sales page. Yeah, let's tell them. page? Yeah, let's tell them.

Yeah, so like bi-weekly calls. So if you want to hang out with us every other week for six months on a call just like this, plus a Slack community for in between. And like not just like a Slack community where you're just in it and nothing actually happens, there's crickets, like we are going to facilitate the Slack community. So we're gonna put it in there. And like also not the Slack community where like we're just waiting for you to tell us when you need something, we're gonna be in it.

We're gonna be trusting our own impulses and what's alive and dropping in things like our own musings and like creating pockets of reflection and prompts to deepen and explore. And then obviously those calls are going to be recorded and very intentionally spaced two weeks apart so that if you can't come live, you have that two week window to quote unquote catch up,

even though there's no such thing as being behind either. But to watch the recording, listen to the recording, and then obviously use the Slack for integration if you miss that opportunity for real-time integration in the call. Yeah, and this whole thing is all about embodiment. So some of these calls are gonna be in breakout rooms doing little practices with each other.

I feel like everyone listening just had a heart attack because nobody likes a breakout room. We promise by the end, you're gonna love them and wish for them because they're going to be so juicy. And yeah, like this is the real practice that like is missing from other plate like other containers really, we didn't we didn't use this word often enough in this this conversation. But like this idea of like relational business versus transactional business. I We didn't use this word often enough in this conversation, but this idea of relational

business versus transactional business, I feel like a lot of what's being taught is all around transactional business. And obviously, Lauren and I embodied business, all of that evolves around relation, relational business, relationships. And in order to kind of hone in on just your craft, your body of work, your magic, your medicine, your skills, your ability to hold space, your ability to hold rupture and repair and disagreement

and to meet the person, be present embodied, to meet them where they're at. That does require practice and it requires a safe place to potentially mess up. It requires a safe place for feedback. It requires a safe place for you to ask questions and sit in the I don't know. And so that's what these breakout rooms are for. Yeah, sign me up. So yeah, buy leaky calls, slack group, six months, early bird enrollment is happening right now until May 16th and so you can save your spot for only $300 and then we have payment plans available or you can pay in full.

Early bird price is $1,800 in total and then not early bird. What's that called? Regular bird. Regular bird. $2,800. So yeah, there's options. And yeah, it's application only because spots are capped at 13. We really want to keep this space intimate.

Obviously, like Lauren and I are in it, like all of us is in it. And we have recognized like what we feel our capacity is and who we can serve in being able to serve at like the level and the depth and presence that we want to 13 feels that like that like lucky number. What else? What else do people know? Yeah, just the sales page is really, really good. So even if you're driving and like you can't click right now, like go click later because

it's really, really good. Yeah, go have a read read like take it all in. And then of course like reach out to us if you're even the tiniest bit curious like you can hop on a call with us just to like explore it a little bit more we're not going to try to sell you on it. Like Nicole said like we trust your discernment but if you have any questions like reach out hop on hop on a call, let's chat about it. We'll make sure that it's a good fit for everybody. And yeah.

Yeah. And I think like even if you potentially already know that Held isn't for you in this season of Life and Business, definitely go subscribe or whatever it's called. Get the link for our private podcast because it's going to be some juicy, well, there's already juicy episodes, but there's going gonna be some juicy, well, they're already juicy episodes, but there's gonna be some juicy bonus episodes that Lauren and I are gonna be recording soon. Because like we said, these Musings and Magic episodes

are gonna still be our once a month kind of more personal roundabout spiral. It's a good way to describe it. But the, which I mean, I think we're all here for, obviously anyone who's listened this far way to describe it. Which I mean, I think we're all here for, obviously. Anyone who's listened this far is here for it. But for just a little bit more, I don't know, it's still spirally. It's still juicy and spirally, but it's just more specific to embodied business, I guess.

Well, I think we've called it Inner Mastery and Business Magic. So if you're here for the inner mastery and business magic, go get the link so that you're subscribed to the art of holding space, which is our new private podcast. Yeah. And there's also a workbook that goes with it. So there's like reflection prompts. So it's not just like, it can be just a thing you listen to and like take in and chew on and all of that.

But if you want to go deeper, like there are some really beautiful prompts in there with a summary that you can really like turn it into a little practice. And about exploring some of these practices that we're sharing and there's there's nine of them. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think the final words of wisdom that want to come through me right now. Trust your pace.

Yeah. Yeah. Love it. Okay. I really want a donut now. Oh, okay. I'll donut the box here for donuts. That's what I'm craving. I mean, there was lots of talk of recipes and cupcakes and donuts, so I really want something sweet. Okay, well, let's stop here. Go meet that body's communication of yours. Yeah. And, you know, of course, if you're loving these episodes. Oh my god.

No, Lorna, like just reflecting, like not on this like egotistical like need for like validation and praise, but really just reflecting on on how our energy, what's the word that I want to use here? Like our energy, like there's... Feed on others. And it's hard talking into a void. That's like a very natural human thing, right? Like, I think it's very natural to have this desire and craving to get to feed off of and respond to other people, right? That's literally

this relational business that we're kind of talking about versus like a transactional business. Like we want to be in relationship to the people that are listening to this. And so it feels really, really, really good for us when we hear from you. Obviously we want to know who's listening, but we also want to know what's stirring and landing and... Or what you disagree with, what you hate. Yeah, oh yes. Okay, yeah. Okay, so share with somebody if you feel called, like send us a message, all of that. We'd love to hear from you. Okay friends, until next time.