RHAP: We Know Survivor - Aysha Welch Recaps Survivor 48 Ep 3

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

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Now here's the guy who loses his voice, but never his vote. Rob says to Nino, Hello everybody. Welcome back to RHAP. Today we are recapping a wild night of Survivor as we saw all hell break loose at Tribal Council and here to talk about all that and everything else in the Survivor world of course. We fell in love with her many years before Survivor 47 when you all got, well probably not the people that listen to this podcast, but many got to meet her in Survivor 47. Please welcome back to great Asia Welch.

Asia, how are you? Hello, Rob. How are you? I'm doing fine. I'm very excited to talk about Survivor. That's not something we do often. Yeah, this is fun and we'll get into it. And so we'll get to hear everything you're thinking.

And this was kind of a wild day here for me on Thursday Because I went to bed Thursday night And then I did the know-it-alls with Steven and we tried to get into everything and I woke up on Thursday morning And I got a million messages like hey When are you gonna post the podcast? What do you mean? We didn't post the podcast and we had some tech issues And so all morning long I was trying to resolve do you mean? We didn't post the podcast and we had some tech issues. And so all morning long, I was trying to resolve that. Not the most fun way to get things started on a busy Survivor Thursday, but it's all settled now.

So if anybody missed our Survivor Know-It-Alls from Wednesday night, we tried to break it all down and still so many questions to be asked about that. I also spoke with Justin this morning. And look, tough time for Justin. I mean, I'm happy to hand him my third boot crown. Yeah. Justin, take it gladly. I know it's not a great spot.

I know what it's like walking into Ponderosa to two people. Yeah. It's a different experience. Well, Asia, Bryce makes a big deal about, OK, the third boot club. And he posted a picture with you and him. Is that a thing? Like, do you reach out to Justin after that? Look, do we have a group chat? No. Yeah. But do we recognize that there are some pretty cool people that were third boots? Yeah, you got Sabaya.

Oh, that's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody else? You got Helen. OK. You got Bryce. Yeah. OK. So maybe it's going to be a thing. Maybe. Do you think you get free pizza at Luigi's.

We have to. Yeah. You know, I I know what it's like. I know what this day is like this Thursday. Like, I remember after all those interviews, like having to sleep like for two hours just from being exhausted and reliving the experience, honestly. And so I haven't yet reached out to Justin. I will, because, you know, it we're welcoming, welcoming him into this exclusive club that not a lot of people hear about clearly.

So, yeah, I mean, and it's debatable, you know, whether you're a part of that or not. I don't think it's debatable. I haven't heard that. OK. You know, sometimes, sometimes not. I don't know. Yeah. OK. Well, let me ask you about this tribal council that we saw last night.

And I let me first get your reactions to watching this all play out from when you're watching the episode What's your thought? Okay, so this was wild because I did think okay worse comes to worse. They'll go after Justin We've been presented this like narrative that Cedric has says back. It's like Cedric has Say's back. It's like in order of like priority, it seems like Cedric is prioritizing Say's relationship over Justin. Yeah, they're close, but you can't have two number ones.

You got to pick at some point. And it's a four person tribe. And so I was thinking like, OK, if it's not Mary, it's going to be Justin easily. But what just threw me was obviously we see the vote multiple times. But the fact that Cedric was able to go in that booth and write down, say his name, not once, but twice, the guts it takes to just write it down once. Like you just write, okay, whoo, I did it. I voted this person. Like I got to live with that. Right. OK. Oh, right. She doesn't go home.

But let me go back up there and write it again. So at this point, I don't care because I've already written it down. And then to not vote her out when it when it's face to face just blew my mind. Yeah. You know, I think that we talked a lot last night about Justin and his decision. But this was a pretty wild decision from Cedric. And you know, in the episode, it's presented as like, okay, Cedric, did you know he lied to you? And we really spent a lot of time talking about

like what Justin did. But for Cedric, who wrote down Say's name twice, and we know she was even mad that the guys were thinking about voting for her at the last trouble. And then they changed their mind. Cedric actually did go to the tribal council and write her name down on the tiebreaker twice. And now potentially he doesn't know the swap is coming.

But if they go to the same tribe, like I could see say getting rid of Cedric. Exactly. why not? Nothing is going to stop him from writing down her name a third time. He clearly knows how to spell it properly. Like, if he has no idea who to vote for, he can easily vote for Say. I'm like, he knows she is not dumb.

He knows that she holds grudges. Like, even though she has said, oh, I don't hold grudges, he works with her closely. He knows that she holds grudges. Like, even though she has said, oh, I don't hold grudges, he works with her closely. He knows that she holds grudges. And so I don't understand why in that moment he doesn't think, oh, there's zero chance that Say doesn't hold this against me in the future. Like, you've already committed. You've committed twice.

How are you gonna just like, oh, well, at least I get to go to Luigi's. But she hasn't gone there yet. I found that from Justin, not yet. Oh. Well, also that they- Go from one month to never yet? That's crazy.

We found out from Justin that Cedric is vegan. It doesn't eat cheese. Oh, okay. Well, that's okay. I mean, breadsticks. I'm sure Luigi's has some side salads. There's other side salad. A nice little sprite. That's interesting. Well, I don't like cheese. Do you eat pizza? I do eat pizza. Yeah. And I have met many people who don't like cheese, but eat pizza, so it's a thing.

Okay. I wasn't questioning it. Okay. I wasn't. I already go on defense. Yeah. Like, yeah. Everyone always questions it too much.

Like, oh, well, why don't you like lasagna? Well, there's ricotta cheese in that. That's different than me just eating a slice of pepperoni. I was gonna let it go. I wasn't gonna pursue it too far. Thanks. Yeah. There's some trauma there. But for Cedric, then his other stipulation was, all right, fine.

You know what? I'm going to keep say, but here's my stipulation. You two, like you're going to get along. OK, if anything, I need to get these other two people who do not get along in this tribe to start working together, perhaps so that they vote me out at the next tribal council. And and once again, at that moment, as I'm seeing him say this, my jaw's on the ground because Cedric, have you seen the other two tribes? Did you see David? Like, any chance that, like, have you seen David?

Have you seen Shaheen? Like, you, they're... Joe, oh my gosh. Like, the fact that, in Cedric's mind, it's like, okay, if y'all can get along, then we can work as a team and we could potentially win an immunity. Let's let's say the tribe is staying together. Yeah.

Y'all three. You know, I didn't really know about it last night. No offense. In like. And I love Cedric. So I don't want this to be too much of a reading of Cedric. But that being said, he the decision that got made to then not only get rid of your tightest ally to keep the person you voted for twice, but if

you were gonna have any chance in hell to potentially win a challenge, and they don't know they're gonna swap, I mean maybe they're suspecting it, but to maybe have a chance in one of these challenges, how do you lose Justin, who's the best physical person left in this tribe? Because what does getting along finally get them? Peace. He doesn't like all the stress. Just like I can't. I mean, even Kevin, when he left last week, was saying like, OK, I can finally get some peace and quiet, which honestly,

that's the first thought I had walking out. Like, oh, my gosh, finally, I don't have to hear that. But OK, let's say perfect world. They start to get along. Cedric, why do you want the other two people in the tribe getting along? If you are going to stick together, let's say I'll lose again because I don't know the numbers, but the likelihood is there. They get along. You want them to get along so much that they respect each other so

much that they vote you out. I was just so confused on the logic. Like, where does that get you, Cedric, if they get along? At any point, did you think that Cedric might have just left himself? Questioned it because it felt like such a difficult decision. And yes, let me be clear. I love Cedric, too. Cedric knows this. So just want to put that out there. And I'm sure he probably is like, Oh, what was I thinking in this, at this

tribal to just be going back and forth? But there was a split moment that I thought, you know, they did say this was a historic tribal council. Like, that's not him necessarily quitting. That's him just, he can't make a decision. So he's just like, Jeff. Yeah. And this isn't a knock on Cedric, who's like a very capable professional person. But, you know, if he got there and it's like day seven, like,

yeah, you know what? I'm not feeling this. This was, you know what? This is not my thing. Like, this is not, you know, coming naturally to me. The challenges have been a struggle. Some of this this gameplay,

not what I thought it was going to be. I'm going to go back to my life. I have been a struggle. Some of this this gameplay, not what I thought it was going to be. I'm going to go back to my life. I have a great life. You know, I totally could have seen that happening with Cedric. Potentially. There was a split moment. And then I was just thinking like, OK, when I started thinking of the mechanics of it, like my biggest question of it all was, why did they...

In the moment, it was like, okay, why did they let them revote? Okay, I get it. This is same as Sam and Sierra, right? Where one can vote. And then it's just like, oh, when we found out, okay, Mary's safe, you can't, these other, like, say Justin can't vote, oh, Cedric has to go.

I thought by default he would have to leave. You're right. I kind of thought that that's where it went. That it was the Cedric getting a choice to make instead of being the person who's eliminated. I thought was confusing. And I really thought that when Cedric voted for Justin and tied it up for a second, I'm like, I think Cedric just voted himself out of the game because in the past, and I would love to know how much your brain broke

during this. And I didn't even attempt really on the know-it-alls to try to figure it out because a lot of people who are better at this type of thing tried to explain it on Twitter. And we had where the original, obviously, shot in the dark happens, Justin loses his vote. The only two people that are voting are Say and Cedric,

and then they get two votes on Mary. Those votes are nullified. We have no votes. They go back and do it again. And to me, I feel like, okay, well, this is the tiebreak vote, okay? That's what I was thinking, yes. So now on the tiebreak vote. OK, we have one vote say one vote Justin.

And I'm like, oh, now we're going to rocks. But then you had another revote on that. Actually, we had two revotes on that. Yeah, because what was I took a screenshot of something earlier of how it was classified. It was like it was because he was considered a null vote, then a tie, then a deadlock. And it's just kind of wild, you know, with it being four people getting all of this.

But that's what I was wondering. So, yes, my brain broke in the fact that they were voting voting again. And I could not understand what Cedric thought the next step would be. So after they voted the second time and he has voted, say, the second time, I don't understand what he thought the next step would be. Yeah. And I don't know if they stopped down at the tribal council and do like an explanation of the rules for the players. I don't I really I don't know.

I could tell you in Survivor the Amazon and this is like, you know, so far back, you know, 20 years ago, like there's nobody there's nobody that is on the beach at that point in time that still works on the show. And I was asking at the final six about, okay, well, Jenna and Heidi want to force a 3-3 tie. I'm like, what's the tiebreak rules? And they're like, you'll find out at tribal council. Who would even tell me what the tiebreak rules were

before we got there? Now I've seen it play out on the show many, many times since that point. So I don't know if the players are sort of like, if we stop down, like, okay, just so you know, before you vote, here's what happens. I would imagine they do. I, you know, I had, at my first and my final tribal council,

but the example that I had was, we even got an example, because it was our first tribal, we got an example on how to vote, you know? Yeah. Just simply how to vote and where our voice carries. And so I would imagine they stopped down between each vote to say, OK, the next step, this is what's going to happen, X, Y, and Z. Because even Justin said this is the longest tribal ever.

Yes. And so where where was that? Was it in the first portion of the talking? Because Jeff is like, hey, I've never said this before. Let's vote. But I suspect that like these conversations that were had by Jeff, like like when he comes out there, I think there were probably some very

long discussions that were had like, you know, with the powers that be at tribal council, like going over, making sure Jeff is like abundantly clear on this is the rules of the game and this is how everything is gonna be decided. I just don't know if like the players like in between things, they're like, hold on, hold on. So what happens next?

Like, and if they would like give them all that information, like in the heat of the moment at tribal council. In the same way you would like, before you do a challenge, be able to sort of like, wait, can I throw my beanbag at this person's stuff? No, no, no, we're not doing that. Right. Because you would imagine if they had full clarity

that Cedric would know, Cedric would be committing to, okay, I'm for sure voting out, say, if I'm gonna go and do it a second time. If they knew like, okay, after this, then, I'm sure they didn't say, okay, you know, if y'all are, if it's a tie, we'll see, we'll let y'all know in the next step what's gonna happen.

Yeah. Cause that's just, that's just a huge risk at that point. But yeah, I wonder if it ever crossed Say's mind to because they were thinking about potentially doing were they thinking did they discuss this on the beach to do one one one her and Cedric were talking about it? I don't recall that as a topic of conversation. I think she was saying

that she wanted to at least put a vote on Justin. Yeah, because I'm like, but I think they all saw it was in the context of like a two, one zero if Mary was in the dark. Yeah, because I was thinking that she she just I was wondering if she had ever considered voting Cedric, but it was like so out of the ramble possibility for her that he would even vote her. So it's very interesting because it really all of it makes me wonder just like what was this conversation?

What was this pitch that we you know, this long pitch? I don't know. That was the longest part that convinced Cedric. To vote out Justin Oversay. Yeah, maybe the longest part of it is and we've seen say through three episodes. I don't think we ever get to a point where say takes no for an answer. Yeah, I could do that. We're going to stay here all night, Cedric. Like, I'm not going home.

So I don't know what you have to hear, but we're going to talk about this until you say you're voting out Justin. Yeah. And what you know. She's not going to let it go. Yeah. It would have felt like in this moment,

like when he finally says, oh, the stipulation is I need y'all to get along. That was a dad. That was a dad saying, look here, y'all been up all night. I need y'all to quiet down for all of us. And so I feel like in that moment, it was like, you know what? I do see Say as a daughter. And it had to be something personal. It had to be something that pulled at his heartstrings. It had to be like, OK, it would break my heart at this point to actually vote her out.

Even though I voted her, you know, brought her name down twice to act like it would physically hurt me. Whereas Justin's final words were. Amen. You can come to Luigi's. Right. You know, I think for Cedric, it was all, y'all, I'm tired. I need to go to bed. Come on, let's wrap this up.

What do we have to do to get back home? Honestly, that probably was like 20% of it because like once the sun is down, I personally was out and I that's probably part of the downfall of my game because you couldn't say, oh, I couldn't. I literally was so exhausted by the time the sun went down. I see the sunset. I'm like, all right, I'm getting I'm doing my bedtime routine. I'm going to clean my feet, getting the sand off my toes.

I'm filling up my water jug so I can have water throughout the night. Like I was getting everything in place because once the sun was down, you couldn't see anything at our shelter. Do you feel like you missed out on anything when everybody, because I feel like it's not like big brother. It's not like there's like the 3 a.m. crew

of people that are up all night. Well, we did. We had the people that would sleep like most likely, like some nights, Saul would be on the beach, some nights, Rome, some nights, Genevieve. I remember like maybe like it was day five or six. It was one night where like this is what I think about a lot that like it'll randomly pop in my head.

Like, why didn't you do this? One night I woke up and Genevieve and Rome were sitting on the beach just talking. And it was like a middle of the night. Like, I just got up to use the restroom and I was like, I should have like tried to just stay up and just converse. It probably wouldn't have made a difference. But I was just thinking through, like, I trained myself to sleep before going out there.

Is it too good? Yeah. Like I slept without a pillow for a month, like on my back. And I was like, OK, no matter what, on the floor, on my bed, on the couch. And by the time I got out there, as soon as I was right in the right crevice of that bamboo, I was knocked out. I had dreams like I was sleep. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but there were people that were up late, like I would say everybody except for me and Keyshawn, which look how that turned out,

would have rotated nights of just being up late, hearing like people tell stories and stuff. Because I feel like what you hear on Survivor, I think Charlie said this in Survivor 46, is that first thing in the morning is where the action is on Survivor. Mm hmm. Yeah. Let me see for us. It was like first thing in the morning was like a tribe thing. Like we most of us were up early.

I'd say the only one who kind of slept in a lot was Keyshawn. But we would be up just watching the sunrise. So it wasn't, there weren't, not a lot of game talk at that moment, because it's just a random assortment of people, like early in the morning watching the sunrise. It was mostly at night for us. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Let's talk about something that's just as important

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Which is just hilarious. And I mean, she's been gold on social media. She is hilarious. But it was just like, yeah, the irony is insane because obviously you could see why people don't like the shot in the dark. It's very difficult to play around and strategize around. But it's just like, I wonder, like, did she manifest this? Like when she's floating out in the water swimming, like

she was just so cool, calm and collected. And then to hit the shot in the dark like that is. I don't know. Like, yeah, you obviously this game has a lot of luck. We all know this. But just just the like that's I mean, we obviously one in six. This is Sam grab that she shared or Douglas shared. The shot in the dark is kind of whack. Until it works for you. She's like, J.K. never said that.

Yeah. Well, she ends up playing the shot in the dark. I was a little disappointed. I kind of felt like that she was going to save herself through throwing off, say. And I feel like that the fact that like the episode I feel like presented, like her bluff was working, but ultimately her bluff did not work. Right. Well, it's funny because it's like... It's like, wow, Mary, mind game queen. But ultimately that they did, it was like, okay, well,

we're just going to have to go with it. Right. Because it worked on Say. It seemed like it worked on Say, but not on the guys. And so the guys were like, I mean, like in that moment, thinking that everyone had their vote, she's outnumbered and Say's like, OK, let's just vote out Mary, which she didn't obviously have something. But I think that she knew her opponent at this point. And she knew like, OK, this is how Say's brain works.

And I think that she's gonna believe it. And she like questioned it, but then Cedric's like, nah. Well, you know, Say almost got talked into a scenario where she could have gone home, where that her original idea, I believe, was that she wanted to put a vote on Justin and Cedric. And I guess ultimately Justin talked her out of doing that. But if she puts one vote on Justin thinking it's going to be a 2-1-0, then Mary's vote

gets nullified. Cedric puts his vote on Mary, gets nullified. It ends up being Justin who goes out without any sort of tiebreaker 1-0. It doesn't ever get to the point where Cedric gets to cast a tiebreak vote. Because oh, because it's one zero. If Mary puts her, I'm sorry, if Say puts her one vote on Justin. So Justin would have gone home regardless. He would have gone home, yeah, without getting to a tiebreaker in that spot.

Right. Oh, so you're saying she almost sent herself home by not voting for Justin. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And I kind of think that that is I think she should have done it. Like, I think that maybe she felt like, OK, well, Justin's part of my alliance. I don't want to unsettle that. But we've seen lots of players of,

OK, what if the shot in the dark hits? What if she what if she has an idol? Right. You know, what would it have cost? I think that this is actually maybe where Chanel got in trouble in Survivor 42, where she put her vote on Mike Turner, just in case. Like, was it if Daniel Stunk had something?

Yeah. You know, I think it just came down to because she even said in the voting booth, she's like, you never trust men. So I think that's what I think. That's what she just like. She just decided to put her full trust in Cedric, even though the vote before she trusted Cedric, played her idol and didn't need to. Yeah. And so, you know, it very well could have just been like. I do. I do remember day seven is a very difficult

at that point, my brain just was not working. And it was like that for other people, too, and just like explaining things. And I just remember me and Saul trying to have conversations and couldn't even think of words. Like, I'm trying to communicate this to you, but I don't know the word that like, oh, it, you know, like it was very simple stuff.

So if I'm thinking like, OK, say, thinking through the options, if she's thinking, OK, Mary is just the straightforward thing, we'll figure it out. Like, there's no. Yeah, because it because what do you what was her? I guess there was no plan for if. Mary did have an idol and Mary had voted, say. Yeah, I guess that say was yes yes, honestly, like I really think that

say made a mistake on that first round of the vote because if Justin and, and maybe she underestimated how close that Justin and Cedric were, if those guys were so close, like I think that they, maybe she should have probably felt it's like, Hey, it's 50 50. Maybe Cedric votes with me, but maybe those two guys just team up on me. And I don't even have a round where I get to really defend myself. Do you think there's something to the fact that say was like day one, I'm focused on the game. I'm not trying to get to, I don't need you to learn about my mom like this.

In the fact that Cedric and Justin did do that, it seems like they were talking personally. Do you think that that's why it was missed is like, oh, at some point Cedric will prioritize Justin over me. Well, Justin talked a little bit about his relationship with Cedric. I think that say has largely been rewarded for how she's approached the game, where especially where she's on such a disaster tribe of, hey, I've got to build my core for as quick as possible and get my group together. But in this disaster tribe, you ultimately were going to need like a core too.

And I think that Justin and Cedric kind of beat her to the punch on having a core too. If we remember how that first episode went, We saw Say go to Mary and Stephanie and she tries to form an alliance with them. And she's like, they wanna talk about personal life. Like, I need my alliance, I need the core four. And she goes and finds Justin and Cedric who are already together. And Justin talked about it in his interview with me

about how him and Cedric already had a bond from day one. So Say picks those guys up together, but I don't know if she had fully realized that they were a pair. They were sort of like a package deal coming into say's core for. Right. Yeah, because I mean, because Justin pointed out he helped Cedric off the boat. Yeah. And like it was that small moment. I was just like, you're my guy. Yeah, you can't. It's really hard because those early days you're just trying to pick up on anything to just be like, okay, I can

trust this person. Cause you're banking on just thin air. Like you don't know what, how people are going to play yet at that point. So yeah, I feel like she felt like she was approaching two random people, but the fact that they were already paired up. Yeah. Yeah. For most of the time, you know, a core four is going to be what you need in the new era. Like most of these tribes, you know, are going to go to. And I think there was all the tribes in your season went to either one or two tribal councils. That's probably like what you should be expecting where I'm going to go maybe once or twice in the pre-merge. And I got to make sure that I'm in the group of four. When I go to these tribal councils, what is I think harder to plan for is we're

going to go to three or four tribal councils in the pre-merge. And in that case, it's a little bit of a different scenario. Very true. Um, it, but then it's also, there's different mindsets in terms of like, oh, we're going to be going to tribal where you have people like, say is kind of playing was playing like that from day one, like I need to be prepared, be prepared if we do go to tribal, where there may be other people are like, no, let's just make sure that we are cohesive enough to where we go to these immunity challenges. And we don't even have to go to tribal yet. Because we we dealt with that on lava, where it was like, me and Saul were like, let's just be a team and not go. And then you have other people

are like, well, no, if we go to tribal, this is the plan. And so that those two different mindsets kind of, I mean, they hugely affect how you're playing the game and how you're strategizing or whatever. So, yeah. You guys dominated the first challenge. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. And you got to have to- By 30 plus minutes.

Okay. Did that change the way at all the people were approaching the game where we have sort of like the inverse of that where lava, the Vula is so bad and that they know they're probably going like Justin said, okay, the boat is sinking. We are going back to tribal council. They knew. Did that change the way that you all were thinking about it in terms of like you did so well at the first challenge? Oh, absolutely. Because we were like, we had a majority of the tribe was thinking, oh, my gosh, look at how we lost that day one challenge and look at the other tribes.

Like they have these like they seem like beasts. Right. And so when we did actually win by such a large margin, we were more so in a state of shock that we were able to pull that off. We never turned over our boat. And so like that was the key, really. And so then we were just kind of like, oh, my gosh, wait, we may not have to like deal with this if we can keep this up. But it was kind of we had to try to keep that mindset

without dropping back into, well, we just got lucky in there, you know? And so I feel like the game, the speed of the game stayed the same because a lot of people on Labo, I would say for a majority of Labo was focused on personal relationships. Whereas like at this point, Rome had already had his advantage, right?

So then that him being off all the time had stopped. And he had like resorted to, hey, I'm about to go over here. Does someone want to come with me? And it was at that point, like me and Saul for sure were like, oh, he has something. So in the episode last night, we saw where Mary was out looking for the idol

and Say was chasing her. And somehow this game of hide and seek ended up bringing them closer together. But in Survivor 47, we saw this a couple different times, but we saw this specifically with Rome and Saul. It did not bring them closer together when Rome was following Saul around. What was the difference, do you feel like, between Mary and, say, actually gaining a lot of respect for each other, What was the difference? Do you feel like between Mary and say actually like gaining

a lot of respect for each other? Where maybe Saul did not gain a lot of respect for Rome when Rome was following him around? Yeah, it seemed like it seems like at this point with Mary and say it's never been personal. And I think that's the huge difference. I think they both have recognized like they are going after each other because they both feel like the other is a threat to their game, like period.

Right. Which is why they get to the chase and it's like, oh, I respect you because you are playing this game hard. The difference in between that and the chase in a, well, it's not really chase, but the following along with Rome and Saul was just like, it was already so tumultuous at that point in terms of like how, like how the communication was, how awful it was, that it was just not like, oh, they could flip the switch and be like,

I respect this person cause they're playing hard. It was, the motivations felt different. You know, in terms of partnerships and you and Saul had a great relationship and it was, you know, clear to people like you two are a strong duo. And it's been a season of strong duos. I'm interested to know how important do you think that is to have and to find your person early on? Or do you think it could be something that ends up hurting you?

Right, yeah, it's such a fine balance. It's such a, like it's a fine line to ride because you have to find a duo, but you also have to find a duo that they would be willing to vote that person out more. They want, people want to vote that person out over you. Which I felt like I was in that position a little bit because in the, like the conversations that I would have

with like Genevieve or have, well, mainly just Genevieve. It just felt like, oh, the impact of the relationship between Rome and Saul was affecting, like, OK, like her view of like wanting to work with Saul or whatever. So I'm like, OK, it feels like that would be the priority there. But if you find I mean, because we heard this in just Justin's exit interview. I think it was with Mike where it was just kind of like he felt like, hey, if we get down to the point where I am, I have to like compete against Cedric, I know I can beat him.

So it was like he felt like he found like the perfect partner. But it also seems like they had a good, good communication in terms with how they wanted to play the game, such as, oh, they knew voting out Kevin was going to leave Say and Mary at odds. Like they knew, okay, they're never going to work together. So that's actually a great thing for us. We could just choose who we want to work with at that point.

And so, and I think that, you know, maybe that was just an underestimating Cedric and Say's relationship, but I think a duo is good, but a trio is better. But you always have somebody who's thinking like, oh, this person is these two people are closer, which is why it leads me to this point. Let's get rid of six person tribes. I'm like, I don't I'm not a fan. We vote on it for survivor 50 Asia.

Yes. Will we? I suspect we will not. Okay. That's what I'm saying. Like what happened to the votes? So I think that there's going to be like votes, like three or four times during the season. And then each vote is going to be open for a week. And then we will not know the answers of how people voted

until we get to survivor 50. So I think in a couple of weeks, we'll get another round of votes. But we still don't know what they were going to vote on. Yeah, this is what I would love. This may be ambitious, but three tribes of eight. I think that's still, that's 24 people. This may be ambitious, but three tribes of eight. Okay. I think that's still that's 24 people.

I think you don't you can't come in and say, okay, I just need to get my five. That's a lot of people. I mean, it's a full back eight person tribes for sure. I think my question is, and Jeff has talked about how that they are very committed to 26 days. How do you do 24 people in 26 days? I mean, a couple of double tribal, a couple of double tribals. And it would be, you know, a lot on the production. Like they'd really have to be like running and gunning for like the whole time. And I don't know, maybe they have, you

know, you know, have, you know, I guess you, you, maybe you could have tribal council where if you want it to any, you have the 90 minute episodes, but I think that people would be a little disappointed to see it go that way of that. Basically in a three tribe format, only the tribe, there's been a lot of like fan run survivor games that only the tribe that wins immunity avoids tribal council. Like second place, we still go to tribal council. Yeah. I like that. So maybe you don't have tribal council every single day,

but you have a lot of two tribal council days. Yeah. Like he, he takes off the, he reveals the immunity idols and it's just one, just one. Maybe next time it's two, but maybe next time it's one. I think it kind of leaves things in the air. Yes, a lot more work on production, but they're beasts. It's a well-oiled machine. And maybe just one person goes home first and then at, you know, you have your pre-merge

and in the pre-merge you end up having, you know, five double tribal councils. Imagine the excitement for the people at Ponderosa as they walk in. Like, oh, are we getting one person or two? Like it became like, obviously, we because we talked about this a lot, the the prejures at Ponderosa, just like, look, this is not what we thought our survivor journey would be. But we're embracing it.

We are learning about each other's experiences and stuff. And so that became a very exciting thing to just kind of look. We'd like had these stairs to look at and we see what color, what color, what color. Like, oh, red. Oh, yellow. Yeah. You know, just in talking this through. OK, even if you have 26 days and you get rid of somebody like, okay, on day three, and then you have this double tribal council on day five, day seven, day nine, day 11, like day 13, you know, and then you have like the merge on day 14, you're still getting to the merge with, I think, check my math on this, 13 people,

which is kind of what they already do now. So I think you could do it. I think you'd probably have to maybe you get rid of the journeys. I know the journeys are a big part of the new era, but instead of like, so basically instead of a journey in a few of these episodes, you're getting, you know, two tribal councils. Maybe they could get two hours for season 50, you know, to do it then. I'd watch. Yeah.

So I think we watch. We watch it. Yeah. You know, yeah. I just think that we've gotten. Yes, we were obviously going to be entering a new phase. We have to be at the new era. Like we have to be. And I just feel like it's just become a formula to say, oh, I want a core four. And that's the only way you have to get through the early part of the game

when there's just so much more flexibility that can happen without just having a core four and then people just having, you know, it just like once you're in the bottom, there's just no way out. Yeah, it's just I mean, it just makes it very difficult for people that don't aren't able to just connect with people, like just through common things, right? Like, OK, you may have one thing in common, like, oh, we both like Chipotle, but that's nothing like, oh, we're both like Guyanese. Like, imagine the just the pure joy,

Camilla and Kyle had. Hey, imagine you're on like a six person tribe and then there's like somebody is like, I think I just met my future wife. Like, what do you do? What do you do in that spot? How do you break that up? Exactly.

How do you start like robbing that moment? Do you think, did you think, should I start a rumor or something that she thinks I'm cute or? No, no, I did not think that. I was like, this isn't gonna work. This is a horrible plan. What are they doing?

Showman? Exactly. Idiots. Hello. Even our cast was difficult in that, like, I think there were four of the 18 that were single. So not like not like we're looking for we weren't out there looking for love. Right. But it's still like the fact that these two people can talk about their spouses. Right. And, you know, I'm talking about what it's like on Hinge.

That's not exciting. Asia, should you pile on with Stephen Fishback, who has said like, hey, we need to bring attractive people back to Survivor, which, you know, present present company obviously excluded. But do you bring single people back to Survivor? I don't think so, because like, OK, love the idea. People would watch for sure. Because it used to be Asia, you know, back in the day that you go through

Survivor casting and they say like, hey, do you have a boyfriend? And it's like, oh, yeah. Like, all right, you're out. Yeah. Yeah, it's just like and I love the love that has like, is anybody single on this show? In this season? Yeah. That's a great question.

Maybe everybody knows. Yeah, I'm prying that hard at everybody's personal life. Right. We're on like partner tracker. Yeah, it's it's hard because like when you. Partner tracker a real thing?

No, no, no. I can invent it. Yeah. Yeah, it's just like a billion dollar idea. Partner tracker. Maybe that's why everybody is getting into pairs on the season, because they're used to everybody being in a relationship.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that is something. I forgot that was a thing on our on our season. But it there that that is that is a thing where the the imbalance of single people versus taken people is, I mean, that, I think that does affect connections. But I don't think we need a season where people are finding their soulmate because how do

you break that up? How do you strategize against that? On Survivor of the Amazon, like I don't think any of the people like under 35 years old had any relationship. Every every is completely single. No attachments. Let me ask you, OK, speaking of relationships, I thought David did something so brilliant last night. And this is going to be maybe a controversial opinion, Asia.

So you tell me if I need to remove this from the podcast. That what David did last night when he talked about how his girlfriend was going to break up with him if he didn't win the million dollars and publicly announced it, he boxed her in so bad. She can't break up with him now. If he doesn't win and then she breaks up with him. He's gonna say, see, I told you, I told you she's gonna break up with me if I didn't win the million dollars.

She has to stay with him. You have a very valid point. David is a master strategist. Give him the fishy. He's actually genius because at this point, it can't even be that, oh, you come back and all you talk about is survivor. But a lot. But now girl, you've shown he has shown your cards.

It's like someone walked up to she's playing poker. Someone walked up. He walked up to the table and showed everybody her cards because there's no way she can end it now. Because that would be the only... No matter what reason she tries to sprinkle on it. No, if he doesn't win, that's why. Yeah, he just like he called her out. Like, you're not going to do that.

It's like, I wouldn't do that. And now she can't. Listen, I'm just imagining when he said that, I'm just imagining them sitting at home on the couch. And he says that she looks at him like, what? I never said that. It could be an awkward conversation. He's like, well, no, that's how I took it.

I don't know which if it's true. Wow. It can't be. I don't know which is that if it's true Wow It can't be true I'm more on the side that is just not true. I mean I trust David I would think that he'd be honest. So you're being like Kyle right now. He's like what was like yeah, it's true. Why would you why would you call me out on that? It's not cool That's sick dude Yeah, um talk about reading someone's Call me out on that. It's not cool. That's sick, dude. Yeah.

Talk about reading someone's energy the wrong way. Yeah. Well, it's Survivor. I mean, I think that that's like a good lesson of like, how do you how do you take because everything on Survivor is like, hey, that's great. That's cool. Like, you know, how do

you it's a tough thing to do. Like, how do you receive somebody's like sort of not necessarily like bad news, but someone, you know, someone's negative self-talk on Survivor. I think you're probably thinking like, oh, no, I got to build this person back up. And that's not what David wanted in that moment. The problem is he didn't shift his tone. There he is. He's in the same tone.

He says he's living in a trailer in front of his dad's house. How is Kyle supposed to know that this is negative? He should have said, oh, man, you know, I, you know, I'm really here because I'm in a tight spot right now. I, you know, I'm living in a trailer. That is giving you don't want it. But you're like, yeah, man, I live in a trailer in front of my dad's house. That sounds like it's a cool thing.

Like you want that. There are people living in vans, driving across the country. Van life. Yeah. Who is it? Turner, where's Turner? He thought it was cool. Yeah. Who is it? Turner? Where's Turner? He thought it was cool. Yeah. So it's just like because what did he

what was what was Kyle supposed to say? Oh, man. You'll get on your feet soon. Yeah. I don't know what what what was the appropriate response? I don't know. Oh, that's awkward. Yeah. I think the appropriate response is a trailer.

Yeah. And then he let him expand. He's just like, oh, can never be me. Yeah. That was that was tough. Interesting. I thought David also got like the episode, like he almost like opened the episode. I kind of thought this was going to be a very David focused episode.

They did this with one of the intros about with Rome in 47 where it was like, it was like all about him. I think it was his boot episode. And I think that the, we got like the introduction to David really all throughout the previously on Yeah, yeah, it did it did make us think like oh, you're gonna be seeing more of David Specifically in the last ten minutes of the episode Maybe it's just that there wasn't much else to show on Siva besides the boat ride because Yeah, they got out that he's a Chad.

Yeah. Do you ever call anybody a Chad? You know, my definition of a Chad is a little bit different here in Texas. A Chad is more so like just the guy with the collared shirts, the loafers, the khaki shorts, the shades on their head. But it's like Preppy at Chad yeah, yeah, yeah, so now gig at Chad Maybe that's the West Coast version of a Chad he's a West Coast doesn't Camilla live in California. I think so yeah

So Chad's makeup they come in different forms forms. Yeah. OK. Maybe what do you think about a new artificial intelligence, Chad GPT? What do they do specifically? I'm trying to think. What would it be? Craft your hinge profile? We have the billion dollar name of Chad GPT. But what do they do? I think they give cool text responses. If you want to sound like a chat, like this is specifically for like wannabe Chad's,

like you don't present as a Chad, but you want to sound like a Chad. Yeah. How do I, how do I sound more like a Chad? Help me sound more authentic. And then I load this all up into Chad GPT. Yeah, Chad GPT can help with your hinge profile, your bumble profile, partner tracker. Partners, yeah. Chad GPT, can you help me invent a new app called Partner Tracker so I can track.

Do I track my own partner or do I track to see if other people have potential partners? I would say other people specifically because well, it could be both, because if I'm thinking, you know, there are Facebook groups out there, which I feel like I can publicly say this because the Facebook group rules are very they're tight. There are groups out there where women are trying to see because the Facebook group rules are very, they're tight. There are groups out there where women are trying to see if they are dating the same man. That's a perfect use for partner tracker.

Hey, I have this person's name. And they're like local, right? They're like based on like a city. City, yeah. So you try to see, hey, does this person have a partner? And they just scour the internet. But sometimes doesn't it happen where it's like a woman is like, hey, is anybody dating this guy?

And then yes, women then say like, oh, not yet. Yeah, they do. And then the moderators will come in and say, hey, guys, this is not why she asked. You need to don't make comments like this. Or women will say, oh, girl, why are you going after him? Then, you know, it's the other side of it is like, OK, hey, we do not talk about people's looks. Now, when they find out two women find out, OK, we're both dating the same person.

Then do the women ever then they start off rivals and then they become friends like Mary and say like they have respect for each other. Only when the moderators say one stipulation. Y'all have to get along. Yes. Cedric should moderate the group. He would be the perfect person. Perfect person to start friendships. I mean, I actually read a book.

There's a... I read, like, a fiction book that was, like, these three women were all dating the same guy. And then they all became best friends. And then the author made like a trilogy book about it. Yeah. What happened to the guy? The guy just got, they recorded it and put it on Twitter. Recorded what? Recorded him on a date with one of them

and the other two women like crashed the date and was like, oh no, you didn't. You're dating us too. Which is, I don't even want to get into and like TikTok and Twitter get into books. I just feels I'm reading a book to just enjoy. I can scroll social media. I don't need it. Incepting my books. Does that ever happen on Survivor where it's like somebody has like three

number ones and then they all get together? I'm sure it's happened. If if we think about it. You know, did that happen to Swathi? Like, you're my number one. And then they all talk and they become friends. I mean, did it kind of happen with Teenie too? Like, Teenie said that a lot of people were their number one.

Like, Teenie at one point said that Sol was, Genevieve was, Brome was, Kishan. But then everybody didn't come come back together and say like, hey, like, that's it. We're all best friends now and we're going after Teeny tonight. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You can't turn on like the mutual point. Yeah. It's like they can't like record them on Twitter and then, you know, like, hey, you hide in the bushes and I'll get them to say that they're my number one. And then you confront them.

Yeah, I guess Slotty would be the better example. For Slotty. But they never just like all confront them at the same time. Like everybody comes in with like their arms folded like, oh, so who's your number one? Why don't you tell us? Tell her what you told me about our alliance. Should that have been what say we were a final two? Imagine that, say and Justin again, like, yeah, yeah, Cedric.

They both should have like taking turns, like berating him. And maybe like if the two of them both like focused on Cedric, like maybe he might have left Yeah You know what? I don't need this. I'm sorry Sorry both of you love my life back home This was a mistake to come here, I'm sorry, I owe you both apology Promise me you'll all get along now.

Yes. Listen, I will draw a rock. Under one condition. Bring out the rock bag. That you three get along after this and win some immunities. Was it in the show or was it on the On Fire podcast that Jeff talked about that the idea of that? That if it couldn't have come to, I think it it on the On Fire podcast that Jeff talked about the idea of that? That, okay, if it couldn't have come to, I think it was on the On Fire podcast, Jeff talked about how if Cedric couldn't make a decision, then he would have to reach into

a bag with one rock in it and pull out the rock. Well, I got the rock everybody. It's me. That would have been amazing. That would have been the greatest survivor moments of all time. Yes. Oh, my God. Like reaches into a bag of one rock. Pull it out. It would have been just like that.

The picture of him holding the bag and the white rock, like that would have just been so epic. Yeah, I yeah, this that was just that was wild. Yeah. An incredible moment. Let me ask you about Justin, who was in Mike's interview with Justin today. He was talking about how Justin had a chance to be on a previous season and the doctors actually found a medical condition, which he credited as saving his life before he came out to go play. Do you know what season Justin would have played on? You know, that when I saw that and then even how he explained it was

very interesting like a knuckle and one is sticking out. But so I'm so glad he's okay. I didn't even know that could happen. Me neither. Like, can somebody check my heart knuckles? Okay. I mean, I was very curious going through all that. Cedric, help me with that. I mean, I was very curious going through all that. Cedric, help me with that. Not close enough. Having a doctor on your tribe is is I will say is a great thing. I had a spider bite that I was monitoring and oh, and my lips were so sunburnt. Yeah.

Keishaun was would help me and check in. He's like, oh, it's white, which means it's healing. It's like, oh, glad I look awful. I was so afraid to see that, but it didn't come out that bad on the show. I don't think. Hey, you're a spider bite. So I had a spider bite on my spider bite on my leg. OK, what was on your face?

My lips were so sunburned. Like, that's the only part of me that sunburns. And it was just like day one and two, it's sunburned really bad. And they just started peeling. And so it was just like it looked weird. But Keyshawn helped me know that I was OK. Yeah. Well, that's good. Yeah. I mean, oh, I'm so fortunate that I'm blessed because that they put

different specialists, not not Philip Shepard, but when they put different specialists on Survivor, it's like, not Philip Shepherd, but when they put different specialists on Survivor, it's like, oh great, urologist on Survivor? Okay, great, now I got somebody I could text. Okay, we got now, we got Cedric, okay, if I need anything, colorectal, okay, now I got a guy. Do we have, I need a cardiologist. Oh, yeah.

I mean, it's- Sam, are there any reality TV cardiologists? He is a because Cedric's an oncologist. I believe he specializes in. I'm not sure about oncology. I know he specializes in colorectal surgery. I'm not I'm not sure exactly his pedigree. Well, do you know who comes up when I search cardiologist survivor? Who?

Mike Gabler. Oh, but I don't think he's a doctor. No, a heart valve specialist. Okay, so that's somebody. All right. Maybe. Okay. All right. Oh, sorry. You know, I don't know if everybody's going to like that. Might have to have him on the podcast.

Sam, book Gaebler for a podcast soon. Look, I'm not a kid anymore. Don't get mad at me, everybody. You got Gaebler deep dive scheduled. Soon. I mean, I'm OK right now, but in the next couple of years. OK, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fair. OK, back to your question.

Which season Justin could have been on if he was in talks last year? So we're thinking 45, 46. I personally think every season has a look like I can easily refer. Like, I feel like it just people look like their seasons for some reason. All right. I love this theory. OK, so that they all share a common look or they look like they belong on a season. They look like they belong on the sea.

A season like a season has a season. They look like they belong on a season. Like a season has a certain air about it. Yes. Like there's an aura. A vibe or a look? Vibe feels, okay, vibe does feel more appropriate because people, they don't look the same, but the vibe, like, 48 chaotic vibe.

Like, I think that it's just like, it's a given that these, I will say Justin almost looked a little out of place being on 48 because he seems so cool, calm, and collected. Yeah. What season does he fit on? 46, no, 46 is also. Yeah, they're crazy. 40, okay, fit on? Forty six. No, forty six. It's also forty.

OK, forty five. But if we're talking about forty six, that do you feel like that Justin? Looks at all like Jalinski. Could you see that? Could they be like cousins? They could be cousins. Absolutely. Cousins on their mom's side. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah. Because I'm thinking, I don't know why they both have long hair or

Jalinski had long hair. Right. So I was trying to imagine them both with short hair to help the visual. But I could they yes, they favor. Yeah. But I think if we had to pick a season for Justin, that's 45. But if we're thinking there, yeah, there were there were a couple of people on 47 that I think matched the look of the vibe of 48. Like you could see a Gabe on 48. OK. Maybe. Yeah.

Like I could I'm trying to think who on 48 I could see on my season. Like a Stephanie, Mary could have, yeah. Stephanie and Mary. Stephanie, you feel like it's a 47? It's hard, you know. I feel like that 47 was a season, just from my outside perspective. I feel like, you know. I feel like that 47 was a season, just from my outside perspective.

I feel like, you know, 46 was really classified by... Like, 45 was like, okay, we all love each other, with the exception of, like, that it got kind of started with Emily saying, hey, we don't really love Bruce. Then 46 is like the crazy people. And, you know, 47, I feel like we're the gamers. Mm-hmm. And 48 just seems like, you know,

we've only really gotten to know this one very messy truck. Yeah, exactly. That's how I was like, could you see like- But that was how 46 started too. Mitch? Mitch, what, on 47? You think Mitch matches the vibe of 47? Mitch, I think could have been in 45, I think, could have been in 45.

I think he could have been right there. We all love each other. We're all best friends. Yes, we all share everything. That's true. OK. Let me ask you, Asia, about some of the things that are going on. And we haven't really talked much about the other tribes too much. I'd love to get your take on the Laghi tribe.

And it's tribe is a tribe that is performing exceptionally well, but under the surface, there's some brewing tension really. And it stems from that you had Eva and then you have Star, who the, both of the people who if the tribe goes to tribal council might be potentially talked about. What's been your read on this group of people? Well, I think Loggy is incredibly strong. I don't know how these three guys were put together,

but that's like a dream team. The fact that you have two women that are athletes. Shoot, maybe even Bianca played a sport. I just, I think that they are just physically very strong. So it's just kind of like, they are are the which is kind of how I felt about the two, the blue tribe on our season. I just felt like they were very strong tribe. But I I've enjoyed watching it.

I'm really just curious. Is it like what the dynamic has been since the beginning with Star? Because is it a matter of she's not trying to get to know them or that they're not trying to get to know her? Because they're really painting this picture that she is obsessed with trying to figure out this beware advantage. And that is all that all her time, even when they had the bonfire and they celebrated it starting, she wasn't even there. Like I'm so curious because I mean, obviously we're getting the picture that it's Eva versus star. Like that's like they're either siding with star, they're either siding with Eva, but

I feel like it's a whole thing for them all to just come to the agreement that, oh, we're going to get this information about her pre-wear advantage, but it doesn't matter because we're going to use it against her. So I feel like that in the case of Star, I think it started off as like, Star did not quickly bond with any one person on the tribe. And we saw that the guys came together and Joe and Eva came together and Bianca and Thomas came together and I think that Star that felt excluded and I think that then

because she felt excluded then said, well nobody's talking to me, I gotta go look for the idol. And then at that point when she goes and looks for the idol then it's like, well, okay, well Star, what is Star doing? She's off on her own, not even like attempting to work with us. You know, she's making us all paranoid because she's looking for the idol. I'm sure from star's perspective, she felt like, Hey, nobody even tried to get to know me. So I need to go look. So my only shot to stay is to find the idol. And then they're feeling like, well, she's

like obviously alienating herself from the whole group, because all she's doing is looking for the idol. But the good thing for Star is that she's been able to stick around long enough on this tribe that things change, where people who might have gone home on day three end up sticking around long enough for somebody else to put their foot in their mouth. And now Star is in a position where I think it's interesting where we talked about, you know, the power of the duos, that there is also

some power that we kind of now like that Mary has that maybe Star has of power of being sort of just like a solo person that people are like, why don't we pick this person up? You say stick around long enough to put their foot in their mouth or stick around long enough to put a bracelet in a hand. Like it's like a simple act of kindness was enough for them to be like, Oh, they are getting too close. Which it's awesome for star.

The fact that they haven't lost Which. It's awesome for Star, the fact that they haven't lost. So I think that for Eva, like, I really don't think that the bracelet thing was too bad. I know I said last night it was like, you know, Survivor 101, don't do that. You know, that was something, you know, obviously, you know, that she didn't want to do that.

But I think that sort of speaks to like that. That's who she is. OK, you know, that's classic Eva. You know, she's such a nice person. She's, you know, not really playing that hard. That where things I think really got screwed up for Eva is that she's like, OK, she's she's sweet. She's strong. She's good in the challenges.

She's not a schemer. But then she tried to be scheming. And then she said the wrong things. Yeah, exactly. I just feel like it just goes. She handed Star a gift this time. It just goes to show how it truly matters when you go to tribal, because Star could have easily been a goner if they had lost that second immunity like just not enough time where it's just long enough for the tides to shift.

If that's a saying the waves, whatever it is, tides turn tables, the tables turn, the tables turn. What are the tides do? Yeah they I don't think they do shift. The for just for the maybe this turn, maybe long enough for the tide to turn. We'll go with that. That now Thomas and Bianca see value in a relationship. The other day was like, hey, throw away her idol clue.

What if it disappears? What if it disappeared? You know, I could relate to Thomas's, when he was ordering his wine from Joe, him just feeling, just dry and empty. Yeah. So for Thomas, that the possibility to be able to sabotage Star's Clue, like it's so interesting because we saw last season where, you

know, people had like this box that, you know, Rome had that little like decoder that they had like, sure, I think you could probably destroy that or put it in the fire, but I don't think you'd be allowed to take Rome's box that Teenie and Kishan found and go hide it on him, right? I don't think you can. Yeah. I think it's against, I don't know.

But do you think that they could have. It would it be in the rules of the game for if it's a shame wanted to burn the decoder? I burn, yes, only because it's property of like they spent time doing that. But if he relocated it and forgot, how is that any different than losing Mike's idol? Was it a- Daniel Strunk did, but he didn't do it on purpose though.

Like that was like an accident. Yeah, is that any different? Because he lost it versus just misplacing it. Yeah. It's a fine line of like what you could actually sabotage. Right. It's like, oh, did you do that on purpose? Mm hmm. No. Yeah. How can you prove it? Yeah. What do you think happens with Starz Idol from here?

I think I'm totally with your theory that you said last night that they find it like Star, Thomas, Bianca worked together to find at the beginning the next episode before the swap. There's there's no way she leaves that beach and has not found it yet. Yeah, I just feel like that the history of survivor players like go back to the survivor Philippines like Malcolm and Denise find the idol right before they have the swap. And, you know, we had where I think it was like Nasir finds the idol right before the merge and then Hunter finds the idol right before the merge.

Like, I kind of feel like that these things have a way of working themselves out. Yeah. And I just wondered, though, like, OK, she finds the idol. Is she going to immediately have to use it the first time she goes to tribal? Or is because Bianca doesn't have a vote. That's true. But we're going to have the swap tribes. So it's really going to be so interesting to see, you know, how these people who are just on the outs, how they're going to fare when they end up going to these other

tribes. And I don't really even think that we got that so much in season 45 where I'm trying to remember, like, you know, you had the Reba tribe and you had the Bello tribe, but I don't remember really feeling like there was somebody who was really on the outs at Reba. Like I felt that there was a lot about the Reba for, but I don't remember feeling like there was a ton of talk about like, oh, J. Maya and Sifu are in big trouble. Or, you know, I feel like that there was a lot about Katura and Bruce, but I don't really,

maybe more for Katura, but I don't really remember feeling like there was so much of like that we were getting how that was gonna go. I feel like that we were getting a lot about like, oh, the women are together at Bello. And OK, so Kelly and Brando have something going on. But I feel like that we did not really get a good sense of like who was truly at the bottom. Right. Until they swapped. Like until we saw Brando, like where Brando landed, we're like, oh, wait, there's danger there.

Yeah. Whereas these three tribes, I think it's it's kind of easy to see who is in danger and who's going to get new life. Right. Like, clearly all of Vula. Yeah. And how many of these partnerships are going to get broken up? Right. Is there anybody that you are curious to see? Like if they get on the like swap together? I'm trying to think of who would be great to see in one tribe. You know, I feel like that say is so funny that I feel like there's so many people I would want to see her with.

Every configuration in my head just now was Say and someone else. Well, would Say and Camilla like get along or, you know, have a rivalry? You know, yeah, because it's like Say has a dominant personality. So I'm thinking who is another alpha on their tribe where it's like, OK, you're actually in David. Like, how interesting would that be? Is so David is like an alpha in life, but is he an alpha in the game? Like, is he driving like, oh, I mean, we haven't, we haven't, he hasn't had to prove that yet, but is he the one saying, oh, we need to do this?

Well, who do you think is driving the game over in the Siva tribe? I think. Mitch, Kyle and Camilla. But even then, OK, so maybe if like, I think it would be interesting to see, say, and Mitch. I don't know. Because, yeah, would they I mean, are they going to be on the same page or is it just going to be like she sees them as a threat because they she cannot. Influence them. Yeah, yeah.

It's going to be really fun to see like how these tribes was. We had so few tribe swaps and to get them mixed up with this group that is like such big Personality so far. I think it's gonna be a really fun next couple episodes Yeah, I would have loved a tribe swap if I had made it like one more Yeah Asia I want to bring in some questions from the listeners for you about survivor 48 We have a question from a recent guest on the podcast. Zach Whartonberger asked, if Justin had threatened to ban Cedric from Luigi's,

would he still be in the game? If Justin said, Cedric, let me tell you this, you say my name, you'll never set foot in Luigi's in your life. I think it would have worked. I think it would have worked. You say my name, you'll never set foot in Luigi's in your life. I think I think it would have worked. I think if he was feeling like, dang, this man is going to be so heartbroken that I am banned from his establishment and I can never try the side salad.

I got to keep him. I think, yeah, I love that salad. You have a point. Yeah. He came off too, too, too nice. It was just like he gave him an out by saying that at all. I'm sure because that's what he's one of his exit interviews was saying he gave up. He he definitely gave a bigger pitch than what we saw. But I'm like, if you said that at all, like, look, Cedric,

you're good to come to my restaurant regardless. I don't know. Yeah. And for Justin, like maybe he felt like, OK, I get Cedric. Like, I feel like that he's going to respect the soft sell more than really being put on the spot. Like, I think that this is going to be what ultimately works for him. But it's just like, say, was never going to let go. No. And he was probably thinking, too, like, I don't want to be too pushy.

I don't want to feel like I'm making him make a decision. And then he's going to be turned off from me because he's already shown his hand twice and said, like, you've already chosen me over, say, two times. Yeah. But he just it was just like the face. I don't know if it was the face to face that helped the eyes, the like, say, put on some tears like. Just she said, Cedric, how could you?

And this is something that we talked about in the trade. I don't want to spoil the traders too much, but I feel like that there was something like some late votes on the traders where that a couple of players tried to

use guilt as a weapon of like, I'm so hurt. How could you do this? How could you do this to me? Like, I'm very I'm very hurt by this. And it didn't end up working on the traders. But, for Say, she did know the combination to work with Cedric and like, Cedric, I'm so hurt.

Like, you really cut me, Cedric. Yeah, it's funny too because C Cedric has obviously seen say have different approaches but that specifically worked for him because his heart is in it. And that's what I was wondering too. Were you questioning that? Like, did she immediately know that Cedric was the one that had his vote and voted for her because it seemed like it was a minute to. Yeah, like it wasn't until he grabbed the urn that she was like, are you kidding? Are you joking?

Yeah. Yeah, it just had to slowly set in. I will say I thought that Justin did not have a great story that he sold to everybody about what he did on the journey. I will say, I thought that Justin did not have a great story that he sold to everybody about what he did on the journey. Yeah, it was, you know, comfort. Yeah, he's like, there was, there was a bunch of dice with a white question mark and a bunch of dice with a red question mark. And one of them correlated to comfort.

And the other one was like supplies and I rolled it and then I'll find out tomorrow, which not very low stakes game that Justin was playing on the journey. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. They're gonna be so pissed tomorrow when they wake up and they realize they got nothing. They have to know now. I get I sacrificed my vote for a feast that's only coming if I stay in the game I get through tonight's tribal council without my vote the feast is not happening tomorrow That is a perfect sale side salads galore for everyone I think if he yes, but now only no, OK, OK, they know he has no vote. So tomorrow they shouldn't be expecting anything. Right.

But if he had sold it like that, that would have been enough. The amount of times I talked about Chipotle out there, if somebody would have told me, look, you would have been like a rishma with apple morning. Yeah. Yes. I feel like what do you want? I'll give you everything. Yeah. Risk it all for Chipotle. Right. We literally were taught, we were like, OK, you walk in.

Yeah. We was like, you walk into Chipotle. What are you ordering? Mm hmm. That would be a good journey where it's like, OK, like you get there and it's like, all right, your favorite food is right here underneath this. What do they call it? Like the cover? Yeah. Underneath here is your favorite. You've told us your favorite food. We've prepared it right here. Give up your vote tonight or you could eat your favorite food.

That'd be interesting. Yeah, honestly, I think we're OK. I think I'm in the majority. Like nobody would even know if I would just say like, oh, I think we're OK. I think I'm in the majority. Yes, like nobody would even know if I like I would just say like, oh, I plan to play. They made me play a game and I lost my vote. You know, the amount of people that would take it even that early on is like, yeah, that like for sure. But I mean, props to props

adjusting for even thinking of anything, though, because I know that like even coming back from my journey or my battle from the camp supplies. The fight for supplies they call it. Fight for supplies. It was still being workshopped my season. So I called it a million different things. Yeah, so even then I was telling the honest truth and still because I left out details.

People were like I was lying. What do you think about what Justin said to me in the exit interview? He said to me that, hey, Robin, if you look at it in the new era, when you lose your vote, you tend to go home that night. I didn't push back on it in my conversation with him, but I feel like I have looked at that, at least earlier in the new era. I haven't looked at the last couple of seasons, but do you feel like that that's accurate, that if you lose your vote, you go home?

Well, like even you said, like, if you lose your vote, your friend goes home. I've said that in the past, yeah. Yeah. And I think that when I really looked at that, it was in Survivor 44. So I have to be honest in terms of like, I don't think I've really run the numbers, including Survivor 45, 46 and 47.

But did who lost their vote last year? Annika and Annika lost her vote. That's true that she did. She did end up going home. Was that she went home. Kyle lost his vote. He did not go home. Yeah. But did he go to a tribal council where I'm sure did he have a pre-merged tribal council that he went to? He didn't have a pre-merged tribal council.

He didn't go to tribal again until it was the split tribal. Yeah. And only half the people were safe. And Anika that she did. She did not go home because she lost her vote. Like I think it was. Yeah. And Andy and Sierra and Sam all voted against her. Did anybody else lose their vote in 45 teeny, right? I'm 47. 47. Well, T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T T

lost their vote, but key Sean went home. So that's the friend. So I'm trying to think in forty six, Jalinski did lose his vote and didn't go home. But I feel like he like I think it wasn't because he he lost his vote. Like they were mad or they were mad that he like was helping the other tribe. It was like that. And it was a pile on. I don't think he did. I think he was going to go home. Right. Yeah. Did did Ben lose his vote also? Did he? He went on a journey with who? With Liz and Bonu.

Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. So it does happen. It's not necessarily it's not a death sentence to go and lose. Right. It is what what is seeming to be a death sentence is doing the fight for camp supplies. We haven't seen Kyle have to go to trouble. He seems like the one person who has beaten it. I don't know if he would have gone to an earlier tribal council, but yeah, it does seem like I brought, I was talking about this last week when I was doing the podcast with Kevin about that three out of the four people, it has not gone

well for them to, you know, they, they go to an early tribal council and end up going out between you and then TK. And then, you know, it wasn't Kevin that went out first, right? But it goes out second. Right. Like it still didn't help. And he first. Right. But he goes out second. Right. Like it still didn't help. And he won. Yeah. Now for Kevin though, do we say that maybe

that the data for Kevin is a little inconclusive? Because when we talked with Justin, he said that Kevin's shoulder was so bad. The reason why they turned on Kevin was that they kind of thought Kevin might have gotten medically evacuated. Yeah. I mean, because even jumping in the water through his shoulder. So that's a fair point. So maybe it wasn't so much this season,

but it sure didn't help us last season. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't ideal. Yeah, I do think it is a little hard to take the players off the tribe where when, you know, you're doing sweat and savvy It wasn't ideal. Yeah, I do think it is a little hard to take the players off the tribe where when you're doing sweat and savvy, that I don't think anybody's thinking so much that, and I'm sure it came up at some point in the new era where it's like, oh, Danny and Deshawn are,

they must've gotten an idol. Yeah. I think that, I feel like in my mind, I feel like maybe Nasir actually did say that, but I don't think it came up so much, at least after maybe 41 and 42, where people who were doing those tasks, people did not think that they got an advantage. Right. Like even and I'm not necessarily because I was thinking in terms of like TK, he won

the camp supplies, but then went home for a different reason. So it wasn't like he missed those initial bonds. Like I feel like the people that he did not connect with, that would have been the case, whether he went right away or not. So that's what's something I struggle myself with trying to think about. I'm like, if I had not gone, would it have been a different situation? But we'll never know. We'll never know. OK. All right. Question from Crystal, who wants to know,

what tribe would Asia want to be on this season? Oh, that's a good question. Not Vula, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I think Siva. I think Laghi is tough because it seems like a season you have or a tribe that you have to kind of bro down. And like I was I was good with Saul because he's like a teddy bear.

He presents like this, like, you know, obviously he's huge. Everybody saw him in the vest. Right. I saw him at one of the wrestling pay per views recently. I saw him at the elimination chamber. Well, you were there. You know, I saw it on Reddit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that on his story. But I think the appeal with me, with Saul, was that he was I think he was going to go after John Cena when he turned heel.

Yeah. Yeah, I haven't watched WWE since I was like eight. Sorry for the spoilers. If you catch up. So, yeah, with Loggy, like I would want to be on Loggy purely because of Joe. Love Thomas. Shout out to the Woodlands, Texas, actually. I lived there for like that's like North. That's where Thomas grew up. Yeah, that's where Thomas grew up.

So we have that in common. I was there for like seven years. But Asia, what's with this? Not even any podcasters on this season. I know that was 47. Like, if you think of the vibe of 47, it's a mic. It's true. Yeah. Who should podcast from season 48? Oh, OK. I feel like Shaheen would feel like he has a lot to say. Yeah, he'd be good.

Yes, I would like to hear from Shaheen. I'm trying to think from Steve. I think Camilla would be hilarious. Like, I think Camilla would be hilarious. Like, I think Camilla would be hilarious. I would love to hear Say just give her thoughts on anything happening in the world. Say has just such a great name for a podcast. Like, I'm going to go on Chad GPT right after this. It's like, give me a hundred names for Say's podcast. It's like, what did what did she say?

Yeah, what did you say? You know, hear what she has to say. Best name ever for a podcast. Say what? Say what? It's incredible. Incredible. Say my name, say my name. There's yeah, there's say, please don't end me. My kids need to go to college.

OK. Please. I have to like reverse like neg her of like say is not going to like she's not. But what I have to say, I got to say it so like she doesn't do it. So, yeah,

like it would be the most predictable thing ever. If say you just started a podcast and ended me. That would be the most predictable thing ever if Say just started a podcast and ended me. That would be so, so predictable. Say has a podcast. Shep. I don't know. I mean, yeah, I feel like there are plenty of people that... I love this cast, I just have to say.

I think there are so many personalities. There's plenty of people I would love to just listen to on a podcast. Okay. Let's take this question from Star Updates. Okay, have you followed the Star Updates account? Listen, I have this question screenshotted. Okay. Star Updates does an incredible job, keeps his update on everything Star. Asia, do you agree that Star Toomey is a better player than Sandra Diaz Twine, Boston Robb, Tony Vlachos, and Parvati Shalo combined? Listen, if you're not bringing the energy of Star Updates, keep it. Do you feel like that, are you disappointed there was no Asia updates?

You know... No. I'm glad because they would have been so sad after episode 3. And then they're like, what did I take this username for? But they update on all sorts of different things. Not just only game specific. That's true. But if they were trying to stay updated on me and my life,

they'd be like, dang, why does she keep posting dogs? Like, I'm not sure. things, not just only game specific. That's true. But if they were trying to stay updated on me and my life, they'd be like, hey, why she keep posting dogs? Like, what is she like? Where is she at home with her dogs? Yeah. So I was OK. OK. What's the upside for Star as a player? I think the upside right now is the low confessional count. We saw that from a lot of icon iconic players. So you're going meta.

Yes. OK. Yes. I'm I'm reading into the edit. I'm thinking like you look at Genevieve. If you go back to my exit interview, the top comment is, who is Gene Genevieve?" No one's asking that now. -"Who's Genevieve?" Yeah. And then she had a big breakout episode. She did. Where is Star's breakout episode? I don't know. I just think... I think that when we get to the point where Star is finally at Tribal,

people have already put themselves in a position to be voted out over her. I think she has missed the wave where she would have been voted out easily at this point. So I think that's her upside is the fact that she is on such a strong tribe, including her. I mean, they missed out not having the basketball player in the basketball challenge. But I think that that star's power is in that I mean, they missed out not having the basketball player in the basketball challenge. But. But I think that that star's power is in that if she's the person who is feeling like, hey, I don't care about my original tribe, like they were trying to get rid of me and then she's somebody that they could pick up like she could be like a very interesting piece on the board in post swap.

Yeah, I think say would pick up Star easily. Yeah, I think Star's issue might be like if she ends up getting swapped to a tribe that has like too many people from her old tribe. True. The big yes. A win for Star will be as few loggy as possible. Like if she goes to a tribe with Eva and like maybe Joe and even they're like, oh, yeah, Star. She was always looking for the idol.

She was a problem. Right. Absolutely not. But if she ends up, let's say Siva remains the same and only one person leaves and Star comes in, she may be OK. Yeah. OK. All right. Gordon Robbins wants to know, Vulu, most entertaining disaster tribe ever Cedric voted for all his tribe mates in just three tribal councils impressive

And all of his tribe mates in one tribal council. Yeah, so he really did shoot the moon You got he's Stephanie Kevin then Mary Mary Tony, Kevin, then Mary, Justin and say, he voted for three people at the one tribal council. I don't know that's ever been done before.

The only other three people there, he voted for them. I'm shocked that he didn't decide to say- And had a chance at the very end that he should have voted out himself. It was up for grabs. Cedric had a chance to do the funniest thing ever, and he said no. Maybe it took so long. This tribal lasted so long because he said, can I write down Jeff's name?

Mm hmm. Like that is that something I can do? Because that I mean, that's wild. And the fact that he's done all of that in his name has never been written down. Wow. King. The power. A power player if I've ever seen one. He's incredible. So, all right, let's compare. We've got Vulu.

What is that Vulu? Right? Vula. Vula. And then we've got Lulu. And then we had Shannon Ricard's tribe. Uwa, I think, was their tribe. Yes. OK, any other any other true

disaster tribes? I don't think so. I don't think anybody else was. And then there was like Tikka. But they kind of had like redemption. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to kind of think like, oh, well, they got down to the Tika three. But then I mean, and then Carson wasn't even there. But then Josh got swapped to them and then he's out of the merge.

So I don't even consider them part of the disaster. OK, so we got Ua, Lulu. Yeah. And Vula. Now, so we got Oua, Lulu, yeah, and Vula. Now, Oua got down to just two. True. They are four tribal councils. That is a disaster. But you have I think I think looking back. It I think it really depends on where Mary Cedric and say, go from here.

Cause if they become these power players and they're the Vula three and they become, I don't think it's going to happen. No, but remember, say promise that Mary and her going to get along. Honestly, I feel like if Say and Mary are gonna maybe do something, I could see it. Jeff said, hey, I want to see you two, like on a Thelma and Louise, like, road trip and go for it. I just, I don't think Cedric's coming along for that ride. No.

I mean, talk about the conversations after the episode that... If Mary... Cedric's angels. If Mary and Say vote out Cedric at some point, how do you recover from that? I mean, I totally could see it happening. They're like, we got along just like you said. Yeah.

You didn't say we have to get along with you. That wasn't a stipulation. You didn't say like, we got along just like you said. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You didn't say we have to get along with you? Yeah, you just said that we get along. You didn't say, like, keep you around. Yeah. I don't know. I think it's just it's just been happening. I mean, even thinking about this challenge, Vula didn't lose that bad. They were still in the slide puzzle.

Yeah, this is a blindfold challenge. Like, that's kind of like equalizer. How would you have done the blindfold challenge? How would I have done? I think I wouldn't have wanted to be the caller. Yeah. And so. Yeah, I think I would have done OK. I think spatial spatial awareness is a good thing for me.

I've tried walking around with the lights off. Really? In practice, blindfold challenge? It in a sense of just like, how can I know? It wasn't so what you know what it was. It wasn't because of the challenge. It was because of camp life. Like, I didn't want to be walking around at night and not and bump into anything. Yeah. I hurt myself. I hate the Blindfold Challenge.

I do not care for it. I don't think it's super fun. I'm also very bad at it. I lost in a blindfold challenge in Survivor the Amazon. I think I lost in two different blindfold challenges in Survivor the Amazon. We had one for reward that I also lost. And ultimately a blindfold challenge was the challenge

my tribe lost as I sat out and then got voted out. So blindfold challenges for me, not great. Also, me walking in the dark, very bad, Asia, that I have to, and I don't know how it is at your house, but I have to be the person who gets up and turns off the light, and then has to come back to the bed in the dark. My wife does not do that.

Yes, you're the shut down person. I have to be the shut down person. My wife does not, she gets mad. If I've turned off the lights and I'm the bed and then she has to be the person fumble in the dark and there's, I always end up kicking something or something's on the ground. That I, the other night I'm trying to get into the bed

and the lights are off and I ended up, that for some reason, my wife has this giant photo mailing tube on the floor in the bedroom. Like what the hell is it? And she's like, oh, that's my soprano's poster? Like why is it on the floor? Like Kevin McAllister has set like booby traps all the way between, you know, where I have to walk to get to the bathroom.

It was specifically put there for you to trip on. Yeah. So yeah, I don't love the blindfold challenges. I think we'll sleep with a buff on. So I sleep with a blindfold. You will sleep with the buff on? Yes. Yes. Although with this daylight savings time, like when is it even going to be light out? Like I'm sleeping past, what am I supposed to be, like 830 when the sun comes up? Like what am I even doing? Oh yeah, I was going to say, yeah, well it's 730 here when the sun comes up.

But then like also 730 when it's like the sun's still up right now. Forget it. But then, like, also 730 when it's like the sun's still up right now. But yes, I slept with my buff over my face and I could still see like the trees. Yeah. Yeah. If you stretch it out, you definitely see through it. I have it like like a band like over my eyes. OK. All right. And then this is something else, you know, like I'm getting into all my humble traits. I find that my wife does like,

she'll like be like washing my buffs without even telling me. Really? You don't want them clean? You know what? Well, sometimes I go to these events and I get like a cool new one. And it's like, and then they're not the same after they go through the washing machine. You know, I wouldn't know because I haven't washed mine.

Yeah, well, you don't have any other buffs? Any other seasons? No, I wanted, so I hadn't bought any and then when I decided I wanted to try to be on the show, I was like, I want my buff to be my first buff. Yeah. So I just have two buff, which is my other ones. Well, I got my original buff and then the new buff. And then maybe now future seasons, I'll buy some. Yeah, I want to buy you one.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I just have have lava for the patrons. Okay. Wait, do you have our HP buffs? Yes, we do. Asia there in this, you know, I know about, it's not for the store. It's not for, it's, we send them out to the $15 patrons. Okay.

Okay. Okay. So you can't, you can't buy them in stores. I'll tell Derek to send you a, a buff. Thank you. That'll. My third buff ever. Yeah. And then if that one gets like, you know, you know, you watched it a couple of times and put it through the dryer, you won't care so much. Oh, I actually. Let me give a shout out to Survivor

Texas, because they did give me a buff when I went and visited them. So it's black. Okay. It was their merge buff for their season they were shooting. All right. That's a cool merge color buff. Right? Yep. Okay. How about... Let's see.

We have a question about Cedric. I thought we talked about that. Micah says, do you think that Se is playing similar to Tony? I get major Tony vibes in her chaotic but successful game. Love you, Asia. So I think that maybe this is Tony from Survivor Kageon more than Winners at War. Yes, I do see that. I was going to say more OG Tony.

Yeah. G Tony. Yeah. I think, though, the difference is that I felt like his connection to Sarah was more a partnership than like a leadership. Like, I don't feel like Cedric and say our partners. Do you feel like one is Tony and one is Sarah? Well, I feel like Sarah and Tony were partners. Yes. OK. So you don't feel like that? Yeah, because I feel like they had like an equal contribution to

like what they were going to do. Whereas Say is the bigger voice in this. Maybe Tony and Sarah are more like Say and Mary. Like it's like they started off like, they weren't on the same page and like, okay, you know, you're so fun. I want to keep you around. And maybe they end up being sort of like, you know, allies,

but kind of frenemies might screw each other over. Yeah, frenemies to friends. I mean, maybe this is what we would have seen if, like, Rachel and Genevieve were on the same tribe to friends. I mean, if maybe this is what we would have seen if like Rachel and Genevieve were on the same tribe starting out, or if me and Genevieve could get our ish together and like work together. You should have chased her. I should have. I mean, speaking of.

With Mitch and Kyle going out on that boat, Genevieve and I also went out on a boat. Yes. And it was like, I'm going to go to the beach. And I was like, I'm going to go to the beach. And I was like, I'm going to go to the beach. And I was like, I'm going to go to the beach. And I was like, I'm going to go to the beach. And I was like, I'm going to go to the beach. And I was like, I'm going to go to the beach. And I was like, I'm going to go to the beach. And I was like, I'm going to go to the beach. And I was like, I'm going to go to the beach.

And I was like, I'm going to go to the beach. And I was like, I'm going to go to the beach. And I was like, I'm going to go to the beach. And I was like just sucks that our guys can't get along. Yeah so I Hit a wall. Yeah. All right. Well, we passed the Bechdel test or not actually didn't because talked about the guys Well What's this test? Oh, well, it's a test for movies if the female characters have talked about something That's not the guys.

Oh, not guys. Yes. Yeah. Very true. That's I want it. I didn't want it to be about them. You got to make it about about her, not about the guys. I know. I was like, forget these guys. I was like, you and I could have like something. Yeah. She's like, well, you need Cedric to like, hey. You know, like I just need you two to get along.

Yeah, one of our conversations, she was like, let's keep talking. I just, I couldn't read her. Yeah, she kept her cards close to the vest. That was before she even voted out Kishawn. I know. Before she turned into a different person. Right.

Yeah. Now, when you said you went out fishing that how were you fishing with a pole or were you gonna do spear fishing? So we found a stick and we had won the smaller fishing kit Yeah, so while someone else on the tribe was off, you know catching fish or whatever Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I don't even like fish. Let's get that out there I don't need fish to be caught so I don't even like fish. Let's get that out there. I don't need fish to be caught. So I don't even eat fish. Anyway, you're like Cedric with the cheese at Luigi's Pizza. I don't even eat that.

Justin, I don't even need to come to Luigi's. Right. We took a we found a side salad anywhere. Everywhere has drinks. Yeah. I could, we took a long stick and wrapped the fishing wire thing all around it. And then we put it in there. And then I lost one of the hooks.

Yeah. Yeah, we put it in the water. One of the hooks just went away. Yeah. But then, lost one of the hooks. Yeah. Yeah. We put it in the water. One of the hooks just went away. Yeah. But yeah, we didn't catch anything. Fish on the hook on survivor. I've never seen anybody do that. The problem is the bait. We were using coconut as bait. No, that doesn't work. Yeah. And then we tried to use, I don't know what else we tried to use, but it didn't work. We didn't have, we didn't, we didn't catch anything. We put it in there deep.

It was really cool, because like, the camera crew came out with us, like all the way out in the water. We didn't have anything substantial to say. I mean, maybe, correct me if I'm wrong, I've never seen anybody like in the ocean on Survivor. Like, I've seen it where, and in the Amazon, we had like little tiny like river, like tributaries and stuff like that. And you could catch fish in the in the river, but never in the ocean.

I don't feel like. I mean, people take boats out. Sure, but not on survivor. OK, that's what I was simulating. It's like, you know, spearfisher, you know, that's it on survivor. I feel like if we had been out there for a couple of hours. We could have got one bite. Mm-hmm Maybe not with the coconut. We should have found something else like a snail or something. Mm-hmm. Okay. All right So many questions about Cedric and what Cedric should have done. Let's see. He's a star of this episode

Lyle says what were your thoughts on the journey? Were you happy that Cedric decided to do what he did or should he have voted for Say again? Let's talk about the journey part of it. I thought it was fair. Like, okay, it's just a game of chance. Simple as that. But I felt like they... Please bring back, risk the vote. Like if you were to have- Are you like Shipwheel Island?

I do, because it gives the like cautious players a reason to say like, look, I don't even wanna participate. And if you wanna be risky, you have the chance to do that. And then there's like a payoff or not. Like you're taking the chance. But the forest is just, ugh. Because then it's like, oh, I lost my vote and I didn't even wanna go.

Yeah, you know, I think a lot of people want me to be more angry about stuff like this and get worked up. And I understand, and people, you know, put their own projections on like how I should feel about things, and Stephen Fishback has called me a nihilist at times, but part of me is a little bit like, Hey, like, uh, sometimes in life, like, uh, you go out in the street and you get hit by a car, you know, what are you going to do?

Like sometimes like bad luck finds you and that's it. Those are the breaks. And you know, I do like the players having agency of whether or not they want to go on the journey, like get on that boat like we saw. But there's, I mean, this has been part of the show where you pick a person to end up going out there and hey, like the fickle finger of fate has found you and like thrown you into this. And now you have to roll the dice and hey, that's, that's life, baby. Like you end up like in these situations where it's like through nothing you did,

now you're in a bad situation. Like, can you figure that out? Like, yes, you did not opt into this specific mission, but you opted into this specific show where sometimes bad luck finds you. Yeah. Yeah, very true. I mean, do you think it made it look better

that at least one person got the advantage? I think people would have said, yeah, these dice were rigged. Like, the dice were weighted if, you know, Camilla didn't get a chance to do it. I mean, I think I certainly would prefer a game that was like a little bit more... There was like some strategy to the game of like, I can, you know, like maybe I could stop here at a certain point and get something or, you know,

that other than just like, you know, pour the dice out and up, that's it, I lost. You might, you know, you might as well just like flip a coin like beast games. Look, how about you? You have to do something to a certain point and you get to keep your vote. You go further. You may get an extra vote. You go even further. You may get something else. Knowledge is power. I don't know. Yeah. Maybe there's a point where you like, you can just get back to zero and stop, right?

Make it easier. And then maybe you could totally crap out, but there's like a achievable goal. If you have two flames, you could stop playing. Maybe that's a little bit more fair, but ultimately for us at home, were we not entertained by the end of the show?

We were very entertained. You know. It was, I mean, and even this story, I mean, it was created. At least when Steven calls me a nihilist of like, you know, you don't care about like the fairness of anything. Hey. And I do, I do, but ultimately, like, I just feel like,

hey, these things happen on this show. I just don't get get worked up about it. Unfair things have happened. I mean, where's the lie? Jerry Manthe said it in season two. Whoever said this game is fair? Very true. You get some good breaks, and you get some very bad breaks.

And sometimes the bad breaks are insurmountable. Right. I don't know. But if you go out there and you take, well, yeah, I guess it's like, yeah, there's just no way to play a completely safe game because you could get thrown into whatever. Yeah. Which is just the nature of the game. safe game because you could get thrown into whatever. Yeah. Which is just the nature of the game. I mean, could Justin say like, hey, actually, like, I really don't want to like, like, could he say beforehand, like, hey, everybody, I do not want to go on the journey.

Like, please, please. Like, I don't know. Would that have saved him? Maybe. And what can his tribe say against that? But could he say before they even pick like, hey, just so you know, I do not want to go on the journey. Right. Would his tribe say against that? But could he say before they even pick, like, hey, just so you know, I do not want to go on the journey. Right. Would his tribe be mad? Or they'd be like, oh, thanks for giving me a chance to go. Would they be mad?

And also, like, would the other tribes still pick him? Like, that'd be very rude. Yeah. Like, hey, not me, not me. Do not pick me for this. Maybe we should do that. We weren't even thinking you, but now we are. Yeah.

Speaking of Beast Games, I saw Tony when I went to the Survivor premiere for season 48. And I reconnected with him a little bit. And he doesn't really keep up with the show or anything like that. But we had a nice conversation. And I told him, Tony, I'm just like, I'm so I don't know when I'm going to see you again.

I'm just so happy to see you. And then he had been texting me and he was he was very animated about something recently. He was very animated about the finale of Beast Games. And he was watching. Did you watch it? Did you watch it? I hadn't I had to like I skipped to the end just so I could like I hear Tony's theory. Tony has a very interesting theory about the the finale. I don't know where to post it.

Like, I don't want to spoil people on BeastGames. Right. That that's all on YouTube, right? It's all on Amazon Prime. Oh, Mr. Beast Proper is all on YouTube. Got it. Seafood's on there, right? I'm sorry? Seafood did appear briefly. Got it.

Yeah. Asia, anything else on your mind from Survivor 48? You know, it's been fun. Like, I was really nervous coming into this season. Just like, can I watch it as a fan again? Is that possible? How are you doing with that? I am.

How am I doing? I am. I'm doing well with it. I think that it is nice to be able to watch and not think like, oh, what if, because it's completely separated from my experience. Because I remember coming back and immediately finishing 46. Awful idea. I just like it.

I immediately felt the deprivation that I had felt in the game. And I was like, whoa, too soon. But watching 48 has been so fun and I'm just like thoroughly enjoying it just because like the cast is amazing. Everything is so different in terms of, you know, obviously the structure is the same, but the challenges are different than what was on our season.

The gameplay is even slightly different. So it's been, I've been really enjoying it. So, I'm actually very happy that I can watch it as a fan. Asia, when they did the vote for Survivor 50, did you vote that the players should get rice or not? So, I... I mean, it's okay if you didn't vote. I did vote. I voted not to get rice.

Because I feel like... If I didn't get rice. I don't want these other people to get rice No, it's not even that I just see the effect of no rice Now you know how these all see you see, you know, you've become It really is. I had to do it. Now you know how these all see, you know, you've become what you hate of these old school survivor players. Like, well, I had to do 39 days. 39.

You know, I didn't know that was such a hot take. I okay. So everybody's pro rice. I think so. I think people are like, what do you need to starve everybody for? It's fine. Nobody was like watching, you know, survivor like, you know, fill in random survivor China.

I'm like, you know, these people are getting too much food. Enough. How much are you feeding these people? Look, it's 26 days. You may not even last the full 26 days. And I feel like the impact that no rice has, it just really... It gets you.

And so I think you get a different type of... Like somebody can be completely different if they're getting rice versus not. So that's my case. I'm not a Wharton Burger brother, so I can't debate on it. You can't debate it with them? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay. Anything else on your mind, Angel? What's going on in, anything in real life? Anything on the Path of the Patch podcast that's exciting?

Real life is happening. I am, I've been doing 75 hard. 75 hard? what is that? Yeah, so it's 75 days of to work out No, no, no 75 days of two workouts a day Each 45 minutes one has to be outside. Okay, and it's called 75 hard. Yeah It's it's really popular out here in these like fitness streets Mm-hmm. Okay, I'm in the fitness streets. All right So to work out one has to be outdoors

You stick to a diet. So I'm just doing no fast food. No desserts You have to drink a gallon of water. Does she want to do 75 hard? Some people modify and do like 75 medium 75 soft. But I wanted to commit. You have to drink a gallon of water a day. You have to read 10 pages of nonfiction a day. What the hell is this? Pick a lane workout.

That's a read 10 minutes of a story or a story. Well, I'm going to the bathroom all day from a gallon of water. Absolutely. All day and all night. Because if you're anything like me, you get to the end of the day and you're like, oh, shoot, I'm at just one hundred ounces. Then I'm chugging. And then the lights are off and then I'm going to break my ankle trying to get back into the bed.

I trip over Pepper and then and then it's just like, I mean, I think the worst night for me, I got up like three times. But I'm on day 67. Yeah, but you can go back to sleep like that because you trained for a survivor. Exactly. I literally less than a minute. You don't even care.

Less than a minute, I'm back to like rim. Whatever scientists out there probably saying that's impossible, but I'm back to like rim. Whatever scientists out there probably saying that's impossible, but I'm back in deep sleep. Yeah. You should be like a personal trainer for sleepers. I'm on day 67, so I'm almost done. I literally have eight days left. I am in the home stretch.

I can't wait to like eat a donut. But yeah, it's really challenged me. So it's been nice. I've enjoyed that challenge. And then actually I'm doing 67. Okay. Yeah. So we're in a home stretch.

It's like three survivor seasons. Right. March 22nd is my last day. Okay. But I am doing exciting. They I'm looking forward to is I'm doing high rocks this Sunday. And it's like it's a fitness race. Taylor Hale from Big Brother, she's done it a couple of times and posted about it.

OK. But yeah, it's like it's local in Houston. Yeah. So they travel. But this one is in Houston. I say I'm doing it. And it's you run a kilometer, then you do like a sled push. You run a kilometer sled pull and you do like eight workouts and you run a kilometer in between each. Wow. So I'm just trying to push myself to the max.

So I pushed. See what this body can do. You know. OK. Well, Asia, this was so fun to get to catch up and talk about Survivor 48 a little bit. Was there anything else from your notes that you didn't get to talk about? Oh, just like if that's true about David's girlfriend. Shame, shame on her. Well, I don't want to like judge anybody's relationship. But I think David was smart

to call it out. She said if he doesn't become a millionaire, she's out. But yeah, such a solid episode. She might be like, Hey, like Derek X's parents were like, Hey, don't come home if, if you don't win, but they let them still come home. Yeah, they didn't disown him. Yeah, very true. But yeah, and I really liked Mary's bluff. I mean, whether it was effective or not, it played the role it needed to play. It did its job, which is like,

gave me shades of watching Rachel's bluff. So, props. And she put it into the universe, I am safe. I'm not going anywhere. And look how it turned out. Literally. Oh, I when next time I see Mary, I'm just going I need to rub her arm or something and get some of that luck. Yeah. Look, with consent.

One person on the tribe had all the luck and one person on the tribe did not. But he has all the pizza is all the pizza and one person on the tribe did not. But he has all the pizza. He has all the pizza. So, okay, I guess, you know, there's luck in that. All right. Let me tell you about what else is going on here on RHAP. All the podcast feeds are working again and that means you can listen to everything Survivor

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I'll be live again on Friday to take Q&A Owen filled in for me last week But I'm looking forward to getting back into it with everybody Friday, 3 p.m. Eastern for patron questions. I'm sure that there will be more than a few questions about this tribal council, Asia. Absolutely. You might have to like put a timer because it could go for six hours. It could be the longest call ever. It's the longest tribal council. And then over on the patron feed, Josh and I are still talking about Survivor Heroes versus Villains 15 years later.

And we talked about episode five where somehow, even though James got injured, they still decided to keep him and vote out Tom Westman. Fifteen years ago this week, Josh and I talked about over on Patreon, Robin's website website.com slash patron where You can also watch us talk about Dondi. Did you keep up with Dondi? You know, it is a show I have always wanted to watch it just happened to premiere in the thick of things Yeah, and I just have not been able to watch it Okay, check it out when you catch up. We know Dondi comm two episodes left on a deal or no deal island Asia married at first sight season 18 reunion I We know Dondi dot com two episodes left on a deal or no deal island Asia

Married at first sight season 18 reunion. I Know who thought we would be talking about married a first sight on a survivor recap This it's wild how the world works, but yes married at first sight season 18 reunion part one came out to this this week Who's this woman? She met she just got married This is Madison. Madison is now with one of the other husbands. The other husbands? Yeah, there was an affair this season and they hit it off at the honeymoon apparently and had a secret affair until it was exposed because the husband sent a risky text to his wife,

but it was meant for Madison. So much drama. So much drama. They could have given him the double guilt trip. Exactly. The swarthy. Who's your number one? Madison. Yeah, they were on partner finder dot com. They took a different approach, and now those two women are not friends. But we had we had a great Jason Reid and I cover this over on A Perfect Match on the Love at First site feed.

And we had a great time covering this season. We still have two more episodes, Reunion Part Two and the Where Are They Now episode. It was so exciting this season that we even went live for one episode, which is when everybody found out that Madison and one of the husbands had been having a thing that was a wild episode. We had a great time with the chat. So yes, you can find us on the Love at First Sight feed. You can also find us at firstsightpod.com. What a choice to cheat on your spouse on television. Honestly, like it was just like, we could love your relationship

if y'all went about it the right way. Very bold to do it like in private, but like to do it on television, like I respect it. Like it's- Even bolder to- The lies- Make big moves. Were insane. Yeah. Yeah. The text he sent his wife was...

Dance like nobody's watching. He said, you look so good. I want to eat you up. And she said, that was a weird text for me. We're not even there. He said, oh, that was for my cousin. It was for some food I was eating. Yeah, he said she sent me a picture of some food.

That was for her. And so that and it was just an awful lie It was actually meant for Madison because he was hanging out with her at the time. Yeah Okay Married first sight in the perfect match feed where you also get to hear about love is blind Yes, love and love is blind Arguably one of the most boring starts of a season People it picked up I will say the finale and the reunion were probably the best drops of the most boring starts of a season. Did it pick up? It picked up.

I will say the finale and the reunion were probably the best drops of the season. OK. So Mary Kukowski and Jason Reed and I talked about the finale and the reunion. It was, I mean, solid, solid ending to a subpar season. So definitely go check it out. We had a fun time covering it. OK. And then you could hear Josh Wiggler and I talk about the White Lotus as we will bring you another recap on a Sunday night of the next episode. Part of our scripted TV.

What? RGP has scripted TV podcasting. Yes. It's called We Know Scripted TV dot com. You could hear what Josh Wiggler and the crew is talking about. Severance and all the great scripted TV podcasting going on over. We know scripted TV dot com. OK, Asia, where can people keep up with you? Yeah, so you can follow me at Asia like Asia. A Y S H A like a S I A.

I have to spell it because, you know, people spell it wrong. I've heard. Yeah. I am most active on Instagram, but you can also catch me on blue sky on Twitter, TikTok. But yeah, give me a follow. I post mostly my dogs, but sometimes some live content. OK. All right, Asia, thank you for coming here. It was so much fun to get into everything here with you. Thank you for having me. Yeah. And everybody, we've got so much fun to get into everything here with you. Thank you for having me. Yeah, and everybody, we've got so much more

to come still this week. Abby Maria, Asia's new friend, is going to be on the podcast. I can talk to her on Tuesday afternoon. So be on the lookout for that. A lot of people are just like, hey, weren't you supposed to talk to Sophie last week? Sophie got sick.

We're gonna reschedule with Sophie. I think in two weeks we will catch up with Sophie on our old school interview plus club condo as well coming up on Monday with Chappelle. So don't miss any of that when you're subscribed to the podcast. We love to read what you have to say in the comments. Thank you so much for joining us. Take care of a good one. Bye.