RHAP: We Know Survivor - Bianca Roses & Thomas Krottinger Recap the Survivor 49 Ep 2

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

Rob Cesternino welcomes Survivor 48's Bianca Roses and Thomas Krottinger on to discuss Survivor 49 episode 2.

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podcast pumping like sage's bladder. I'm Rob Sester Nino, everybody. Welcome back to Rob has a podcast, and I'm very excited here today. This is always fun when we do this, where we have a double guest, because that means we have twice as much fun here talking about Survivor 49, episode two. And we want to welcome back from Survivor 48. Here with us today, it's Bianca Roses and Thomas. Crotiger.

Yonka Thomas. Hi. Thanks for having us, Rob. Yes, thank you. This is a, I guess, your audition for the Amazing Race. Oh, okay, girl. I love it.

Lock in, Bianca. Yeah. Don't fuck this up. Yeah. Okay, well, first off, congratulations to you, Bianca, on your recent engagement. Oh my gosh.

Thank you. I appreciate that. That's so kind. Thomas was actually at my engagement. And it was like a whole behind the scenes thing. I had no idea my survivor friends were going to show. Yes. But he was there.

Thomas, how were you involved? Did Bianca's fiancé ask for your approval before he asked for her hand in marriage? I mean, when we were landing back on the plane from Pondi, I turned to Bianca. Once she saw that, Mael was in L.A., and I was like, he's proposing. It's happening right now. And then Bianca was like, he better not be. But, no, he hit me when we were, when it was all coming together,

and I had to rally all of the Survivor 48ers in the greater New York area to come surprised her on a little rooftop. Yeah. Also, we should note it's Bianca's hot fiancé. Hot fiancé. Okay. Yeah. That's your nickname.

Yeah, the BHF. Okay, so that was very nice. So he proposed and then had all of the Survivor 48 favorites. Just the ones that you like came and were there for you. The ones that I like, the ones that were in New York. It wasn't like, you know, an exclusive list. It was the people around. There's other ones that you like that just don't happen to be in New York.

Yes, correct. Okay. All right. So. Yes, Thomas. I have other friends on the show. Interesting. Okay.

Interesting. All right. And Thomas, what's new with you? You know, that question is always so bad for me because I'm always just like running around like a lunatic, like trying to stay afloat. Too many things. Very many things are happening. But we're almost.

Well, you're doing it. You flag. Thank you. I was out so late last night. I just tell you so. Oh, I kind of did tell you. Yeah. Yeah.

Not for here. But yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm living. You had a survivor viewing party late last night. Uh, no. I had, yeah, things to do. Because the episodes are 90 minutes. These viewing parties go very late now.

They do. Who, who has the time? This is crazy. Like, I feel like I'm like back in it. Like, we're back in. Do you know what I mean? It's like, oh, yeah, I forgot. Like, Wednesday night.

The rally. It's a whole thing. Yeah. Cancel your plans, 90 minutes. Yeah. I know. Well, remember when the show was on Thursdays? Yeah. That was nice, I think. It was like the start of the weekend.

It's a better day to party, for sure. Yeah. When you were on, Rob, it was on Thursdays, right? Yeah. Yeah. Wednesdays is tough. No one wants to go out on Wednesday, but we make it happen. Okay.

Yeah, yeah. Well, I think that going out to watch Survivor is kind of a new phenomenon. I don't believe that. Up until like three years ago, people really did that. It was more of a, you were home watching television. It was not that you were gathering in a big group to watch Survivor. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know that that happened until, like, we were on the island or in Ponderosa.

And other people told me. I was like, hold on, what do we do? Yeah. They're like, there's like, okay, great. And then, of course, the only ones I go to are the gay ones. Like, are there straight bars that do this? now I think I've only got to the gay ones too

yeah yeah so I really I don't know for sure because I'm sort of involved with the things that I'm involved in I know Bryce and Wendell do the things and there's some other like alumni that do things but are there

other you know establishments that show Survivor that are not gay bars I don't know the answer to that question high tops and LA and it's Fruity Island in New York.

Yeah. Because I think a lot of the non-gay bars, I think, are like, go, hey, there's sports on. You know, you don't really go there to watch a TV show. Yeah. See, this is why gay people are great. Oh, my God. Yeah, I want nothing to do with sports. Oh, well, I disagree with that.

I love sports so much. I know. It's like the one thing Thomas and I don't see eye-to-eye on. He loves sports. And I'm kind of. Nah, about it. Interesting. It's all thousands, because I love it.

Right on. You know, they're terrible. Okay. Now, let's talk about Survivor 49, also known as the season after Survivor 48. And we're two episodes in. I would love to get your thoughts now as grizzled Survivor alumni

on how the new season is going. Oh. Well, I mean, it's so glad that you want our opinion because we were out there for just like so many days. left like an indelible mark on the game. Both of you have been out in the game longer than all the people that were watching, spending 90 minutes a week

watching. Yeah, true. This is where we can excel. Yeah. This is the moment. So you are much bigger experts than Jake and Risgod and all Nate and all of the people that you I am, you know

more than them. Yeah. Okay. Well, when you put it that way, Rob. Yeah. How about that? I'm having a weird experience watching it. Like, this is the first time I'm watching it where I don't have like, I mean, I feel like I do have a bit of a vested interest because Sophie Yellow Sophie, Sophie Yellow was our girl.

And she was in our Ponderosa Alliance of the Fairy Porn before our season. And so we were all reading Smut the whole time at Hondurasia. Okay. So let's just. I'm literally forgetting them right now. I thought I heard fairy porn. Yes. You did.

Okay. Let me just back up. So Sophie S was an alternate for Survivor, 48, and you two had a connection with her. Now, let me ask if was your connection at Ponderosa so strong that you felt like that you were in any danger of being kicked off of the season? No. Because we're like not morons. Yeah.

No offense. You want to play Survivor and not. Yeah. Were you passing no? at any point. No. No. But we would look at each other and be like,

in my head I'd be like, did you get to the blow job scene? Yeah. And I'd be like, do you know what I mean? I'd be like, did you have the same book or you had read a book

that she had already read. We were all reading the same series. Yes. Why can't I remember the name of this book? A court of thorns and roses. Yes. Okay. Yes.

My wife has been, you know, she's been saying she's going to read that. And I don't know if she has or not. I don't know if she bought it on Audible or not, but she's been, she's been dancing around that for a while. She's not telling you she's reading it. Yeah.

I think she would admit it. I think she would tell you. Yeah. It's a good time. It's a good time. But I think Thomas, Sophie, and I were all reading different books because there's like five of them. Yeah.

So, yeah, we were all reading like a different, but it was kind of like we were all looking at each other and like, oh, do you hate or love Tamlin at this point? Or like, what are your thoughts on? What's the hot guy for reason? So that's a good idea for Ponderosa, because I think a lot of people bring, no, we're talking about this. I think a lot of people try to like game it of like, oh, I'm going to bring something to Ponderosa that I don't actually like because I'm going to throw people off. Who was, who had a fake book cover over their book? Justin POPI.

I thought he was a religious fanatic and I wanted nothing to do with him because of the long hair and the book covers. I was like, you were reading something freaky-diki over there. And he had fake book covers on the real book. Okay. What was the real book? And what was the fake book? I don't know. No idea. I'll text.

Yeah. I'd like to know. Yeah. It was weird. I didn't like it. People do have Pondy strategies where it's like everyone's watching me. So am I going to pretend to be reading something else and what

I'm actually reading? Or am I going to like put on a character and read something right yeah or you're married and you read a book upside down at a tent like a vampire at like five in the morning like like it was so I mean my strategy for Pondi would just be like right in the middle chill as hell yeah like not on anyone's way you are play in the middle yeah yeah which was great and then we hit the beach and I started screaming about gay cultures yeah so what was Sophie's ponderosa strategy in season 48 as an alternate. He did a good job of playing the middle.

She didn't really, like, stick out much. Yeah, the one thing I do remember is we were all reading the same series, but she was playing the middle. Yeah. I was, like, ready to roll with her. Yeah. She would, like, I'd go to the beach.

She'd come to the beach, looking at each other books. It was like, yeah, girl, let's do this. Yeah. I don't know if this is now getting into dicey territory, or if there's any sort of like rules around this trigger word rob trigger word okay did you all connect with you know a a player who would be an alternate from your season after it airs where they didn't end up going on the season like do they reach out to you and say like hey

remember me I was the alternate well let me put this out there our male alternate I I have not been able to find and he was cute. Yeah, we have no idea. Yeah, let's use him as the example. Collecting me as a group, we couldn't find him. But we searched for Sophie. Like, we, we dumped teeth for her. We wanted to find her.

Yeah. Yeah. This connection. You're like, yeah. Okay. So here she is, and she's out there on Survivor 49. How are you feeling? Because she really didn't get a lot of air time in the first episode.

She might have been the only person that we really didn't see in the two episode but we saw her last night and she was a little peeved when she found out that she wasn't in the alliance of four i know i know yeah i wrote that down you did i literally was like yeah yeah i wrote down well i first wrote dumbass matt no offense my guy when mc asked him like okay well when did you discuss this and he was like oh the three of us talked about it and adding you we have a three and one of four don't like bro never let the fourth know they're the fourth

and then when she went to talk to Sophie I literally wrote Love that MC went to Sophie Yellow yeah I was like go get my girl bring her in yeah like not these four those three I can't remember okay I'm rooting for her

so hard and yeah I just like protected like a jaded player perspective but all I can hope is if she hasn't been shown much so far, maybe that means she will be shown a lot later. Yeah. More to come.

Okay. All right. So this was a great episode to get the chance to talk to you both because we had a journey. We did. Both of you went on journeys and both of you had the visit to Journey Island affect your game in big ways. And so this was a little bit of a different journey. And I wonder if this was a little bit of a new wrinkle that might have been constructed, maybe looking back at how some of the Survivor 48 outcomes turned out.

Bianca, do you feel like that after watching Survivor 48 that they said, hey, maybe, you know what? we shouldn't be taking away so many people's votes yeah i definitely watched that and felt furious no one had to go through the pain that i did but yeah i mean i remember my brother actually texting me being like you know what we'll just watch and see if they ever do that again like maybe no one will ever admit that that was stupid but we'll just say like let's just see if it happens again. So I'm very curious to see if someone is forced to risk their vote immediately. It did seem like that there was a mechanic where people could have lost their vote based off of what happened. But do you feel like that based off of, and you were the last person to go

there and lose a vote and have it be part of your outcome in the game, does that in some way make your experience feel like it was even more consequential to the show's history? that if they changed a rule? Yeah, I mean, yes, but also no, because there is, and I'm not just saying this, there is so much of survivor that's luck. Like, the game changes in so many ways, no matter what season it is, what episode it is, so much of it is luck. So, like, I kind of just look at it as like, that was just part of the game.

And there was just another layer of luck to it that sucked. But I don't look at it as like, oh, my God, like, if that hadn't been a thing, you know, I would have won the game. Like, I'm, I'm self-aware enough to know you never know what could happen. Thomas, what did you think about this, that they changed this up to making out? You did not lose your vote. You got an advantage. But what did you think about that they changed this up in the way that they did last night?

Well, I thought it was interesting that they had a shared communal experience where everybody knew not necessarily what, you know, you would get if you won. But there was an element of truth that you couldn't escape from because we three played this game. This person went out first, this person went out second, and this person won.

So there's like a foundation that you can't play with. So you're kind of like locked into that. But then also I feel like that kind of locks you into what you're going to do after, right? Yeah. Because it's clear that you have now have something. So it's like with me,

I looked at Mitch and Mary and I was like, I'm going to like, I was like, hello, lovely people. I will out lie you in this. And I will get my people to believe that I don't have anything. Like, I trust in that and like trust that I can handle that. But if you're doing this shared experience where it's like you know that you walk away with something, it's like you kind of have to tell the truth immediately. Yeah.

I thought that the game that they played, though, was interesting in that or maybe I guess I'll say that I thought it was uninteresting. it seemed like that they didn't know what they were playing for and they didn't know what they were potentially losing they just knew they were playing a game and I felt like that the motive wasn't quite there for people to really hey I'm going to really try to tank this person in particular they were all just like it was just like a you know free for all yeah because I miss those games too where you play later in the season and you have to like chop people or whatever and like it exposes this is like I like that they brought that back in

but it feels too early and they don't these three don't have a relationship yet so it's not like Jake and Joanne are like ganging up on Matt and this has consequences it's like I don't know you and I'm just it feels out kind of like choosing

confessional of anyone explaining why they were gunning for Jake's basket or Joanne's basket like it kind of they were just it was so random and big so that felt lost and I don't know maybe even in them knowing what they were playing for or if like what was going to be the downside if they

didn't do it i think everybody was just like flying blind yeah yep flying blind and survivor crazy i don't know i guess and maybe that's what they like yeah yeah yeah okay so juan ends up winning this and he had to make a decision about whether or not to take the tribe disadvantage or to potentially take one of the two players votes away. He picked the tribe disadvantage. For both of you, did you feel like he made the right decision? No. Okay.

Oh, interesting. Thomas, I'm so curious. I feel like you, I thought we would have agreed on this. Because I'm a sneaky little weasel. I definitely felt like, okay, he feels like he's at the bottom. He needs to prove something to come back to the tribe and say I'm a team player. I'm doing something for us. However, that doesn't give him the real protection that making the selfish choice would have if he was able to steal someone's vote and have an extra vote.

So I thought he made the wrong choice. Like, if you have that weird feeling that you need to make something up with your tribe, you're probably kind of on the out. So you might as well make the selfish choice and get some protection. That's probably what I would have done. Okay, Thomas, why is Bianca wrong? well what i've learned in my you know year-long marriage to bianca is that bianca's never wrong um why is she misguided about this um in my brain i feel like he didn't fully understand he was on the bottom but i also feel like from my experience like i now feel like advantages are not

that great if any person knows that you have them so him getting the team disadvantage and then just burning it right away like he gets to come off as this honest person who came clean to his tribe and then helped them win in the challenge and also if there if he does then know he's on the bottom he needs four votes to stay and so even now if he only has two I don't know if he can get two more votes I don't know if it's powerful enough yeah yeah in so I feel like he kind of did it right which is weird because I'm kind of like don't like saying that yeah well I I agree with Thomas, actually, because I do feel like that, you know, and we know that he's in bigger trouble than he might even know. And an extra vote isn't what he needs.

He needs an idol. He needs, like, four more votes. Like, he needs votes steals. So if he goes to tribal council, he could be, you know, down, you know, five to zero where, you know, he might have to play his shot in the dark. Forget about an extra vote. And so, I don't know, maybe he could use that to go to like a Savannah and say, like, hey, could I give you my extra vote? if you save me or keep me. But it seems like that he needs more time in the game.

And that's why I thought he did make the right decision. But Thomas, I wanted to know from your perspective, because I was thinking about your particular plight in season 48, where you came back and then words started to get out by way of, from what, you know, Star was picking up from other people, that, hey, Thomas does have something. Did that make you a juicier target? I also feel like that for Joanne, he has the opportunity to not only go on this journey,

you know, come back with something and then also burn it in a way that could buy him something. And then also, hey, I don't have anything anymore. Yeah, it was like, that is phenomenal. I think that was like all the right move. He cleared his deck instantly and looks like this like great guy with like my situation is when we were on Logi, you know how they. I guess what's their tribe called Uli, whatever? Like Savannah was like, yeah, it's like,

I don't want Joanne to get anything, but I'm kind of rolling the dice. We really, Bianca and I specifically, did not want either of the boys or Evo or Star to get something because we were kind of in this middle place and the only way to protect our games within Logi was for one of us to go.

And I felt comfortable, you know, taking this risk lying who knows see whatever i'm and i always said i was never going to go on a journey but it was a very specific situation where bianca and a kind bianca and i looked each other and kind of were like it has to be one of us to like keep the status quo both came back and lied very successfully about what happened to both of us and i also we also had never seen someone go on a journey and be forced to lose to risk their vote right from the get-go. Like usually you get that choice.

There was always a way to walk away. But I just want to say one more thing about the Jawan thing because, like, I have to fight. You say as many things as you want. I mean, Savannah literally says, like, cool, you came back and made the tribe choice, but, like, you're still number one. Like, I actually think he could have maybe made a stronger ally

had he come back with an advantage and told one person to create some real trust there. like I think he could have used that as an advantage for him not only as like a silly not silly but like an extra vote but also to make some like who is he have a relationship with on this tribe right now I feel like she's something to like start you know some chemistry or something with someone yeah also the star thing what like that did that was really fucking annoying

but the truth is is that even though that and then I was separated from, I was just with, you know, the girls on Vula. Those two boys believed me still. Even with that interaction and star doing her thing, that's how confident I was in the decision to do it. I was like, I'm gonna be able to keep the people that I need to keep working with me, working with me.

And those two boys believe me all the way until the end, which is why I didn't play it. I want to talk a little bit about I want to talk a little bit about how these majority alliances come together in these tribes in the new era. But I also want to thank our presenting sponsor for this episode of the podcast. Our friends over at Mantasleep. Yes, Thomas is pointing to his bed.

Of course, that the bed, even better with some sleep masks and more from Mantasleep. Get 10% off with promo code RHAP 27 at mantasleep.com. So tell me from my perspective. I feel like that your tribe was a little bit of an outlier in that it feels like that there's such a race to four on Survivor in the new era. And at least from what I was presented on my television, there was like there was the three, but then there was also, you know, there was you, there was like, you know, Joe, Eva Shaheen. There was also the California girls. There was also you two. but it didn't really feel like that there was a four in your tribe,

at least that there wasn't like one consensus for. And maybe it was like, who's really in the four? Is Bianca in there? Is Eva in there? And is that the way that it was from your lived experience? I feel like, yes, that is pretty accurate. Like me, Thomas Shaheen and Joe,

when we hit the beach, like, Joe looked at us and, like, locked in us as a four. Thomas, you have more perspective. So, I mean, we've talked about it, but share. But I do feel like that four would start wavering between should Bianca be the fourth or should Eva be the fourth because Eva was so physically dominant and so fierce at challenges. And Joe knew this very big secret that none of us had knew. at the time. So I think he felt emotionally bonded to her, wanted to keep her around. So I think it was pretty accurate. They never really showed me Thomas Shaheen and Joe making an alliance, but I think

it was kind of like me and Eva, who's it going to be as like the other one. Yeah. There was, it was interesting because the California girls were tight, right? We had our thing. But within the California girls. Shaheen always wanted Joe to be his number one because he saw that I had Bianca outside of the girls. And so he wanted that. But the second, I mean, Eva told Joe what, day one? Yeah. Like the second that happened, it was clear to Shaheen that Joe and Eva had a thing. And then Shaheen became threatened with Eva. Yeah. So the girls, the California girl, so I guess the boys, whatever, us girls, we were always fighting over who was the fourth. because originally it was always Bianca.

And then one day, Joe just comes, you know, over to me and Shaheen. What do you think if we did Eva as the fourth instead of Bianca? And Shaheen and I were like, oh, that's like a, that's like potentially a great idea. Love that. And then we would scurry away and be like, you have to be fucking kidding me. So Shaheen, that is why in whatever episode when Eva gives Joe the friendship bracelet. And Shrekkin and I are like, bitch, please. Like that is because there's been all this pressure around that situation.

And we were like, it's so obvious we're going to, we're going to cut her the second we can. And if Star doesn't have a vote, we actually have the numbers to cut Eva without Joe having to be a part of it. Yeah. Wow. And Survivor history would have been ruined because those two. went on to be Jeff Probst's favorite players

in recent memory, okay? So thank God it wasn't, if it wasn't for you two meddling punks trying to ruin something beautiful. The Emmy nomination.

Yeah. But like, do you see there was so much richness in Loggy and our dynamic? Yes, that was like fun where it was like fluid and like there was real relationships, and I think part of the reason I'm having, I'm struggling with these first two episodes is I don't feel that from these tribes yet. They don't feel like they're playing

in the same way. And we never were in danger, and we played from the second we got on that beach. Yeah. So can you just tell me, though, do I have it right about it being a race to four for all of the tribes? Yeah. Yeah. It's not an oversimplification. Like, you know you need to figure out before. you played on with tribes of two right so like you so yeah i played in uh two tribes but i also played in three tribes oh yeah right i just feel like i guess and i thought i was in the four but i wasn't in the four see not being in the four can't relate um but it does i thought the four was rob amber big tom and me but then i think alicia took my spot in the four they don't know a lot of people like who are these people

but it was true well I just when I remember before I went out there and I was thinking about this like race to four I was because I was like I like the true two tribe format because I think you get you get weirder dynamics going on

and it's not just two gets four but I was like oh maybe that's actually easier because instead of having to get five people to vote with me I only need to get three I was like I can charm three people like I can do that that's like very manageable.

So I'm just like in the tribe of four, it's like it's harder because there's fewer options, but also I'm kind of like, I need fewer people. It's a weird. I feel like people say, people say that the three tribe

format, there's nowhere to hide. I actually fully disagree. I feel like it's easier to hide in the three tribe format because you have way less of a risk of going to tribal. It drops from 50% risk when it's two tribes to a third chance of going to tribal at the challenges. So you really like do, I think, have more advantage to hide, I guess and like skip ever going to tribal and make it to the merge. Also, when you have two

tribes. With puzzles at the end of these physical challenges, I feel like people always say like, oh, if we vote out our strong men, we're killing ourselves. And, the new era quicker so it's like we're gonna vote out a girl first but you watch kelly is that how you say it keely kelly the blues uh do so well in the physical and they get to the puzzle and they get stomped on yeah and so i'm just kind of like i actually i don't think i would necessarily i mean unless just like people couldn't like lift up a like a twig i'd be like maybe we should send you home but i feel like in the new era if you do have a really great puzzler who who is maybe weak, I would consider keeping them over a big boy,

unless that big boy is, like, wrapped around my finger. Yeah. Well, it seems like that the Hina tribe, the yellow tribe, it doesn't seem like that they are necessarily, like, have that much firepower, but it feels like that Jason seems to be that puzzle person. Yeah. Yep. They, I was actually impressed and blown away that they had that wild disadvantage of,

I was trying to, like, think, like, well, how much is 20 pounds? Like, what is that? Like a dumbbell. Weight at the gym, exactly. Like, like, that's, that's a good way of imagining it. If you're trying to, like, imagine, like, what is, like, what is 20 pounds like?

Like, if you think of, like, a 20 pound weight, that's, like, a really good way to think about, like, what 20 pounds is. But it's harder because it's coconut's on your back in a net back. Like, they blew me away. I was very impressed that they managed to win. after having that disadvantage, two of them. Also, I just like, I know that Jason did the puzzle, but there's something about Sophie when she just went into beast mode and was like leaping across.

I was like, yes, girl. I know. I was so proud of her. She was mad, though, about that she got the disadvantage. This is like a personal attack that they are. Yeah. And then what did you want to say? He was like, like, something like,

I think we should just do the challenge now. Oh, can we talk about that, though? Because unless I missed something for a moment, I did not realize at the time of him having to make that decision. And I wonder if he knew this was going to have to happen. He was going to have to like out to everyone. Yes. Yes.

That he is fucking up their entire game. Like, that's huge to take into consideration when you're making. a choice like that like now everyone hates you like you have a huge target on your back did he make the right decision did i miss something did he know that was happening like did they explain that i think he knew that there was going to be a tribe disadvantage i don't think he knew what the disadvantage was going to be and that he had to publicly publicly on that chat say because that was that was the other thing about when i had my steal a vote is that like you have to like stand up and and be like, I'm using this against you.

And I was like, so thinking, I was, yeah, I feel for him in that moment. Yeah. Because if you can just steal a vote and like, or just like put a disadvantage on someone from the shadows, it's a different thing. But yeah, that is. Yeah. But yeah, do you think it was smart to do Hina over Kelle? Like, do we just beat them to a pulp or do we take a shot at the big boys kind of thing? Is that where you're going with that, Rob?

Yeah, I think that it's a valid question. Yeah. Well, Loggy, we would have taken shots at Siva all day long. Yeah, without a question. Why? We never would have taken it because they were. Well, it would have on their own. Yeah. No matter what.

We were trying to help Boole at every, every puzzle at the end of every challenge. And they were ignoring us, like, morons. Yeah, they didn't want to. Yeah, we would have done the same thing. We would have, like, taken a shot at the people that needed to come down a peg. But also, Stevea was annoying to us, too. Like, Joe really hated David for. no reason. I mean, obviously, because they're both muscular, like, manly men. But there was,

like, animosity, which is, like, so funny to, like, think about now. That is funny, because they ended up then seemingly bonding very quickly when they got together. I was going to say, no offense wrong, but, like, straight guys. Do you know what I mean? It's like, that has not really been my experience where, like, I meet a guy instantly, and he's like, you're my best friend. That has not had been my lived experience. but I understand what you're saying. Well, I just feel like Joe was actually really, this is like so bad.

I see why people get into trouble. I was going to say like, I honestly think, I think Joe gets. Your PR person is here. Let's reroute the conversation. Well, I, okay, I'm going to say in like a nice way. I think that Joe doesn't get enough credit for some of the choices he makes because it's like comes off as like loyal, honest, all this stuff.

I think Joe was playing David. And he knew in his heart, how he was going to handle him. And he just decided, oh, I like this guy we get along now. He's not this, like, jerk or idiot that I thought he was. So, like, we can do this until a certain time, but there will be the moment where I'm going. To cut you.

Yeah. And I think Joe doesn't get enough credit for that stuff. Okay. Why was that bad? I don't know. Maybe you said it in a really nice way. Okay, great. Because in my head, I think I said it really cunty.

No. Yeah. I didn't get that at all. Great. Right. Well, I did take a second and breathe and like, reworked it. That was a great answer. Yeah.

Fantastic. Okay. So for Juan, he has to decide, do I want to basically like step on this blue tribe and really just hurt them even more? Or he decides to go and penalize the yellow tribe. But bad news, he penalized the yellow tribe and they made it. Now, do you think? that they look at that as like, hey, no harm, no foul, like, ain't no thing.

Like, you can't, you can't mess with us. Or do you think they hold this against Joanne? I would hold it against him. I knew you were going to say that. I'm a pretty thing. You're still Italian. Yeah. I feel like I need contrition right now if we're going to move forward.

I don't know. I don't. I think if they're smart, they won't, you know, let it go. But I definitely think they will. hold it against him or use it be like maybe at merge be like yeah we all fucking hate you

unless you flip like you know what I mean yeah like I don't know I don't think it helps Jawan at all in the position that he's in with his tribe to be a person that the red tribe is that

they know okay oh he might be very unpopular do you think that they want to jettison him to like hey that was all Jawan we had problems with him too or do you think that they like having him as maybe a shield? I would keep him. I would be like, great. You guys can like focus on him for me now if you're actually pissed.

But also if you're actually pissed, I'd be like, come on. I agree. But that's me. I'm like throwing away advantages. I'm like wanting to like throw things. Do you know what I mean? Like, but I'm not a shoe bandit. Oh, sorry.

Tell me about the shoe band. I'm so confused. Okay, I like that it's like an interesting thing and I like appreciate Jake leaning in and having a good time. It's like some fun out there, I agree. Yeah, but number one, like, we're running out of people to blame it on my guy, because now it's not Nicole

and it's not Annie, so who's it gonna be? And then also, like, remember on Survivor when like we would throw shoes into the ocean or like into the fire? Like, putting it, like, on a tree, like, five meters of meters. Who am I, like, from the U.K.? Like, 10 feet away, yeah, hello. Like, come on.

Do they use the metricism in Fiji? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe in Fiji. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But, like, you know, like three Fijians away, like, I don't quite understand. I was bummed by it. Like, I was bummed that who happened upon it, Sophie, she was like, okay, I found your shoe and a tree. It was like, you didn't even try to hide it. So I asked Annie about this this morning. I had the chance to talk to Annie in the exit interview.

And I was asking her about, like, now that you've seen this, like, what did you think about the shoe bandit? Were you going crazy looking for the shoe? And she's like, you know, I was just happy that it was a person because we thought that there was like some animal that was coming into the camp and moving the shoes. So it wasn't even like anybody was like getting mad of like, somebody stole my shoe. It was like, did a coyote take my shoe? Yeah, which is like not the point.

But like also don't you want to like get someone pissed off and then redirect them towards someone else? Mm-hmm. Like. Someone else. Put the shoe in Alex's bag. Do you know what I'm just like, I just don't, I appreciate the entertainment. but I don't understand. I think it might have literally just been that.

Like, I think he might have been having some innocent fun with it. And it just didn't run with us savages. We're like, no, we want blood. Put the shit. Burn it on fire. Like, do something with the shoe. Yeah. Versus like just, like, stashing it a meter away.

It's a weird move to try to sabotage your own tribe. Because especially at this point in the game and, you know, if you are like a rustic, Hans, and it's like, I thrive in the chaos. I love it. I want everybody mad. Like, that's one thing, but it doesn't seem to be what Jake is doing. No.

No, he's Canadian. That explains. Do you know what I mean? That's, like, not in his DNA. And he, like, used to, like, be in Chippendale's date. Like, I just feel also my one thing that I didn't like is that it was with they, he was doing it to people on the bottom, if I'm being real. I think that you should be keeping people on the bottom.

I'm comfortable, and I also don't know if, and like, I don't know, antagonizing them like that, antagonizing, that's intense. He was playing a game, I guess, the bandit. I think that's not that bad. Yeah, but I'm just kind of like, those two, like, don't you want to, like, stir it up and, like, go for Jeremiah and make sure Sophie isn't going to choose him, like, like, use it to your advantage, not to, like, just make people on the bottom be like, where's my left shooting that because something I thought was interesting was the whole first episode we there was like no idol hunting there was like basically no idols mentioned nothing about it and then this was the first time we saw a trace of that so I thought that was really interesting I actually enjoyed that I was like oh this is kind of refreshing to not watch people go hunt for an idol you know for like a third of the episode so I mean maybe that's why we're

seeing the shoe bandit in all of his glory. But I kind of liked that. Like, I liked that it wasn't so focused on everyone doing their own thing. Are you triggered? Because all that happened on our beach was star looking for an idol at every turn. Every second. Every second. I mean, she found it.

It worked. Yeah, Mazel. Yeah. Couldn't open it. So, as you mentioned last season, everybody was looking for the way to unscramble the code so they could open the, the, combination lock and get the idol out this season

we have just seen that one beware advantage that Alex ended up finding what did you think about the task that Alex had to do to get the idol what do you have to do he had to like pull the chain with the carry the very heavy chain we watched it this morning

yeah pull the chain from the and then drag the heavy ass chain to go to find then and we know Alex is bad at reading maps he cannot find a thing a treasure that's hidden yeah and then he had to go find where the treasure chest was and unlock it with the key that was attached to the heavy irons i thought it was fine i immediately think of like what tiff had to do to find hers and that felt like olympics like that was like the wildest task a lot of sprinting I mean, I didn't even really remember it.

So I think my point of view here is it was kind of boring. I didn't think it was that intense. Yeah, I mainly remember just Jake's naked torso draped in chains. You know? I was like, okay, I was like, that works. Yeah. I was like, oh, yeah, we're looking for an idea. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a vibe. Yeah, yeah. I do think it's like so like Alex was. so pissed that Sophie and then Jeremiah like came in on his found out and I was like I get it. Kind of me of Star though. Like we all knew within 30 seconds.

And then him at Tribal being like I hope no one found the idol. And it's like every single person here knows that you're lying. But they all think that Annie doesn't know and Annie doesn't that they, I was like I did really appreciate Sophie trying to

figure out a way to take it for herself. Yeah, that was fun I thought. That was really fun. She's like throwing more leaves on it to try and they tried to like sneak off with the key, but she couldn't. Totally. I know. I wish she had come up with a little bit of a better reason. Who called her out?

Jake was like, why are you doing that? Like what's happening here? Why are you bringing the chain over here? But I loved watching her like cover back up and being like, if I could take this for myself, like, let's do it. I love that. Squirley. Yeah. It would have been fun.

And so really, but the heavy chain really just prevented Sophie from stealing the idol from him. No, she, like, fell over. I was like, I can, that would be me. I relate. Now, okay, they have talked about the conditions this season, how this is the hottest it's ever been. Now, do you feel that through the show? Do you feel like, well, no, it's always hot? How could it be even more hot?

I did feel it when I saw Jake Gets. to the top of the challenge when they got to the puzzle like completely gassed that made me as a player a former player be like oh wow like it must be brutal out there but is it hotter

than normal like is that an Olivia reference Bianca subliminally yes I don't I actually don't know what the temperatures are like I couldn't tell you I said they should put it on the screen let us know

help us contextualize it. Yeah. Something like that. But no one knows that it's winter in Fiji when we're out there. What?

Yeah. What do you mean it's winter in Fiji? It's Fijian winter, Rob. What? You don't know this? No. No, I never heard this before my life. Oh, so you're having like

interesting conversations where you're not talking about the weather? That's good. So I feel like there's either, here's what I know about Fiji weather after 15 years of Rob is a podcast and about, I don't know, you know, 10 years of being, survive for being in Fiji, there's a rainy season and there's a not rainy season. That is the extent of what I know about Fiji weather.

I think. Okay. This is Fijian winter. Like to the point where when we were at Pondi and Steph was in her like hot little bikini every day, like the Fijians at Pondi would be like, aren't you cold? Like how are you wearing a bikini right? now and it was like 85 degrees. Hmm. Yeah. So yeah.

It does get hot. Like there were some really intense days where we were done. Like we couldn't do anything except sit and be in the shade. But it doesn't, I mean, it doesn't get over. So is there anything to that you all played in an even numbered season? And this is an odd numbered season. So they're filming like what maybe like two.

two-ish months before you all played? Yeah. Is it maybe the end of Fijian summer? Okay. Yeah. It's cooler for us, which is like part of the reason I wanted to do 48 and not 47 because it was like less rain and cooler.

And I was like, that is for me. Yeah. Because I was talking to Asia last night and she was talking about that it was hot in the beginning of 47 and, you know, Andy ended up having like the meltdown on the mat. so I do wonder if there's like some sort of like seasonality where that it's it the survivor year is the hottest at like the start of the odd numbered season and then gets the coolest towards the end of the even numbered season I'm actually if it does drastically

change in between the two filming but even at tribal I don't want to skip that too much but they said multiple times or it was before tribal too like they were all feeling super you know, like brain foggy and just defeated and I was like, it's still kind of early for that. It's only day five, not only day five, but like, it didn't. Bianca, even Jeff Probst himself was feeling the effects of the brain fog. And he's eating and sleeping, drinking. The brain fog at tribal was wild.

Yeah, it was. both Sophie and Jeremiah like couldn't finish your sentences But then also Bianca You and I were thriving on zero calories We were like We're getting as the day goes on We are like number one we're still in the game

Number two Snatched and more snatched This is great We were like we were incredible I do appreciate them bringing up the elements though like I miss it in New Era a survivor. I miss the elements of surviving out in the wilderness and, you know, not having food, shelter, et cetera. I wish there was more of that. Okay. How could they make it even harder,

Bianca? They already have no food. Oh, my God. Oh, how could they make it harder? What do you, what else do you want to do to these people? What do you want, Bianca? No, no, no, no. You're misunderstanding. I'm saying, like, I want them to show and talk more about the things that we're doing out there because we are literally living in the dirt and stripped of any comfort. And I feel like a lot of that just gets put to the side and isn't aired anymore. At any point, Bianca, did you consider eating the worms? Oh, we ate so much gross shit they didn't show. Like what?

I wasn't eating worms, but we were eating disgusting hermit crabs, like the tiny little hermit crabs. Okay. They're so disgusting. You don't even thank God for, and you don't even. even thank them for their life. You just eat them. Father, son, holy spirit. I won't say a prayer. And snails. And we tried that gross sea cucumber. There's some, there's some stuff out

there that we attempted to eat. It wasn't good at all. Thomas Shaheen and Joe didn't even want to eat the coconut. Like they were so done. Why? What's the matters, Thomas? You're a coconut snob? I hate coconut. It's one of my least favorite things in the world. And I tried to even, like, get used to eating it before going out there and failed miserably. And so when we were out there and it was the only thing that we had, I just was like, no. I was like, I'd rather, I was like, I have like a little, I have storage here that I'll dip into first before I like, punish myself with coconut. And Joe, you'd bring it over to Joe to be like, I'm full. That was the, I'm full.

You'd be like, I'm full. I can't. I couldn't buy. When we were doing our snail hermit, went boil. That's what Joe was to say, too. He's like, oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so full. I can't. With crab boil. That meat, Eva, and Star went ham on. We ate so many. It was disgusting. And then poor Star got pretty sick from that. I don't think they tailed them long.

Not the first survivors I've heard of. They get very sick from eating the crabs. Yeah. That's why when they were like cooking that crab. That huge crab, I was like, no. I was like, you're, I was like, it's coming out one end. in an aggressive way. Should the producers say something, though? They do it. You have to check with them.

And they say, I don't know. And these are like, we're going to risk it. Yolo. You should, like, boil everything to a crisp to make it not happen that way. But there are, they do, like, help make sure you're not eating something totally inedible or, like, poisonous. Yeah. Or when we spend an hour getting one of those fruits down from the tree.

And they just filmed us getting this fruit off of a tree for an hour. And we're like, woo, we did it. And then we go and we literally go to like eat the fruit. And they go, uh, uh, uh, nope. That'll kill you. And we're like, great. Cool. So glad we spent so much time doing this.

Good to know. Yeah. Yeah. Would you have done the, like, if I had prayed over the snails, Bianca, would you have gone along with it? Or would you have been like, that's nice. I grew up crying over food. Like, that's, yeah, I would have prayed with you.

I'll break with you any time. Oh, that's lovely. Anything you want to do, I'll do. I'm, can I just vent? That's why I'm here. Really quickly. Please. So, like, the prayer thing was fine.

I was like, I would join in too and be like Sophie Clark and be like, okay, if we're going to do that, I will lead the prayer next time, like, noted. Yes. But you know what makes me so mad about Shannon. What? Her fucking red baseball cap.

I'm so jealous. I wanted a baseball cap so badly because I looked so good in a backwards baseball cap and I couldn't get one. And then seeing her just sit there with one, praying over a crab. Did someone on our season have a, well, Steph had her hat, which meant like, no one else could have a hat. But did I don't have a baseball cap on our season, no. Why wouldn't they let you have a baseball cap? Because I never wore one in my, like, interview process, like, casting process. That wasn't like part of me.

The character. You're the music. Executor. Like, what are you doing in on baseball cap, Thomas? I'm a sports gay. It was part of my pitch. Yeah, but that's not where you were on the show. I'm sorry, babe.

You can wear it tomorrow when we hang out. I know. I literally, by the way, we need to talk about that. If you're going to come to dinner before Addison still or not, we can do that not. I'm taking Bianca to see Addison Ray tomorrow night. One of my artists. I'm so excited.

I've been gone to a show with Thomas yet. This is our first one together. Are you nervous about what it would be like to go to a show with Thomas? No, why would I be nervous? I don't know. Like, what if you, like, uh, that, what if you're like overly exuberant or not excited enough? Like, is there any sort of like, you know, Thomas has been to a million shows?

She's already told me she doesn't like Diet Pepsi. So, you can't stand her main song. I'm very honest here. But you like New York and money is everything. I, oh, I love those. And famous ones. And you're like, fame as a gun. So good. Yes. All smasheroonies. I'm not nervous.

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seems very concerned with the prospect of death that there seem to be on a number of occasions they seem to question whether or not they would even make it through this experience. I believe Jake said that something along the lines of that like they are going to, you know, he's convinced that they are going to, they'll die. Yeah. Jake said it. Annie said it. And Sophie said multiple of them use the word death, die.

Like a literal death. literally yeah I was like what's going on here production where are you that I don't think they'll let them die why is everyone so afraid yeah I don't think they would either it seemed excessive mm-hmm yeah I mean yes I'm just like I was like guys come come come come on the kick drum what are we talking about yeah I get it it's intense I talk about I was saying with Sean Ross who we we stand I kept talking about like when I died like my death or like, I would kill this person. But that was, like, fun and, like, being hyperbolic about everything. They were, like, serious. But in their defense, I will say, we, Loggie, like, we rode such a high of winning. Like, they were so down in the dumps, defeated twice, more than twice, over five, six, whatever the sports.

Yeah, but they included some other things like, like, Jake not winning the challenge. and Alex losing the fight for supplies. And it is, you are talking about your life on the line when you're in the game. But it just felt intense. Like I felt like I hadn't watched a tribal where multiple people were like, I will die tonight. I was like, whoa. I was like thinking about like when they used to do maroonings for like, like Guatemala or whatever, like Australia where they did get like dumped out of a car and they're like you have to hike 15 miles. Yes, yes.

And, like, last person there is dead. Like, it was, like, cut from the game. And everyone was like, and it's like, I was like, that feels more of, like, death. Right. To me. Yeah, it was a lot.

So we haven't talked too much about Annie who ends up being the person who got voted off. Thomas, did you feel for Annie in this tribe? Well, my first note from the top of the episode was, Annie, Mama, girl, what?

Read the room? Let's go to Tribal. I was like kind of like, I just felt like she was reading the tea leaves all wrong from the beginning and it kind of, this kind of felt like to me like when, am I allowed to spoil an other season of Survivor on here?

Like an old season of Survivor? Australia versus the world. Okay, yeah, that's fine. We'll allow it. Okay. It's not terrible, but like, you know the episode where Lisa goes? Mm-hmm.

And you're just, like, watching the whole episode waiting for Lisa to go. Mm-hmm. Like, that was the energy I got from the beginning of this, from Annie. I was like, she's way too confident. She's, like, saying, let's go to tribal. Like, I just, from the very beginning, I was like, mom, girl. Like, no. I was like, I don't think you're reading the room properly at all.

So then it was, like, hard for me to, like, it just felt inevitable. But did I feel for her? Yeah, it sucks. Yeah. But I was just kind of like, I was like, there are signs here, my friend. It's also so hard to watch that and know like, oh,

she's probably going home tonight maybe and like hearing the confessional and hearing her say that, you're just like kind of pringing and you're like, oh, no. And her, I mean, you spoke to her and her, does she know it was her? She did not.

She was blindsided. she was like really convinced that it wasn't going to be her. She felt like that she was in a pretty good spot. She felt like that there was like a group of five that came together last week. It wasn't really so much as her or Nicole. She felt like that she was part of that decision that was made to, you know, pick Nicole to go. And I think she just thought that her people were going to be sticking with her and voting out Sophie clean, not even that Alex was going to play the idol.

well i mean they did a great job i will like they did props and also as now like i'm a keyboard warrior whatever this is like we don't see everything we don't get the full context of how she feels so like yeah i'm sorry that she she felt secure and then it wasn't but from the beginning of the episode i was like frustrated out of the gate yeah because it seemed like last episode i was like don't be comfortable yeah she was like really like hey uh what if we've only out, Nicole, then I'm going to be next. So I don't want to do that. Why don't we vote out one of the guys?

That's what I was just about to say. She did call that out last time. So I felt like she might must have maybe been thinking about it. Oh, like I was the decoy last tribal. Like, hello, I could probably be at some risk here. But then people just play you really well. So, you know, you get lost. Do you think this Blue Tribe can turn it around or are they just a true?

Disaster Tribe? I don't, I actually didn't have my money on them being the disaster tribe. I thought that, who is it? I thought Heena was going to be the disaster tribe. I want to say yes. Like, I do feel like there's an element of the smaller you get. Like, maybe you do kind of push out the weaker lengths and then other people have to sit out. So maybe.

But it just kind of seems like they're not working well together in these challenges. But they did. They got to the end before Oooley and Hina. Entire puzzle. Yeah, because they don't have a puzzler. Right. So I'm like, Hina won with so many disadvantages that they clearly are there. They have that group.

When you have that group in that momentum, it's hard to, it's hard to come back from not having it. Can I ask a question here? Yes, please. Anything. Everyone's talking about Vibe Tribe, fire, cinema, like, all that stuff. Yeah. I felt like we had it great on Loggie, but I never felt like we were like that. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, I've never related with someone more than when Nate was just, like, so over, like, everything being fire and vibes and stuff. Yeah. And I was like, other than Nate's freaky little, like, toe shoes, I was, like, super into him this episode. Do you know what? Do you know what I, no one needs to see those shoes. No one needs to see those shoes.

But I know exactly what you're talking about, where they have, like, the toe feet. Sort of sandal. Disgusting. Right. Right. Yeah, unacceptable. They were not fired. Like, that is like, they need to be blurred.

They were not fired. Yeah, I don't care if they're good. I don't need to see them. It's an assault. Like, blur those out. That's so gross. Yeah. But yeah, I just like, I don't know.

That was just, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you want to talk about that? All of the Nate had a great moment. Talked about the tribe. And so I'm surprised at you because Nate has children that are, I feel like, probably not too dissimilar to the ages. I think he, I feel like that he has at least like high school age kids that he hasn't heard any of these words before.

Yeah, he seemed entirely unfamiliar or maybe just uninterested. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. This happens to me all the time. I have to ask my assistant, like, what is, like, what did you say? Like, I love her so much. But she said something about like, oh, yeah, and then did you notice that this person flamed me?

And I was like, what does that mean? Flamed you. And she goes, well, Thomas, you're the biggest flamethrower of them all. And I was like, what does that mean? And it's like basically throwing shade or calling someone. now. And I was like, oh, okay. But that's, I'm like, I feel like Nate has to know the words, but he's just like refusing to engage. Like he is Meredith Marks. He is disengaging. I learn a lot because I have children that teach me everything. And I ask, I ask them questions.

So a lot of times, you know, I already know all this stuff. Yeah. I probably know more than you guys. Yeah. I'm sure. Why not? You're a part of it. Like, I have no children. What is cinema? My golden retrievers aren't connected to me. Some of these things, though, I think that in this group, I feel like that does, this is cinema. Is this something that Riz God just says a lot?

Like, this is cinema? Is that a widely used phrase? That was the one I did not know. Okay, there was a couple. There's a couple. That they included in the mom. This tastes dumb good. I've heard that.

I've heard that. Is that widely used? This is, this tastes dumb good. As like fire. But I think it makes a niche. Me feel dumb. Did they say gas?

I feel like everybody says, oh, that's such gas. This is gas. Gas. That place is gas. Yeah. I thought the cinema reference was about me and his career.

I was like confused. Yeah. Yeah, if you say to Nate, hey, this is cinema. It's like, he's like his little pet term for me. Right. It's like if you say to Thomas, like this is harmony. Now this is harmony, right, Thomas? Right, right, right.

Yeah, let's try and make that a thing. Let's try and make that happen. I actually, I don't know if it is a term or not. Yeah. I do like Rizzo. Me too. I love it. Yeah.

I'm like pro Rizzo. I don't know if I'm going to say Riz God yet. I don't. What is it about Rizzo that you're really connecting with so far? I mean, he's definitely like, okay, I feel like I'm going to take heat. But like I don't love the superfan trope typically when it's like everybody's a super fan on the season. Do you know what I mean? Or it's like, but like Rizzo is kind of like the super fan that I want who's like level

and like schemy and like knows that he's not good at puzzles and like is gonna like fake it till you make it and he just feels very genuine and he doesn't feel like he's presenting a superfan he just is Rizzo I don't know there's something charming an air to him that is still playful and fun and not taking things

like you you have to take things seriously but he's not taking it too seriously that I'm really getting joy out of watching him yeah yeah he's been good so far Savannah has been very strong so far I just say that

the first thing I got from Savannah that I did not like was Savannah the news anchor like her little doing this spiel I just feel like that that felt like to me

that was like hey Savannah what would you say as a news anchor if you were out there I would have been like you gotta pay me you know what I mean I don't do that for free and it just felt like I and I feel like that we have

seen them uh anybody in news make them do this before well also when she says she's like done three dumps and it's been day four that I wasn't going to ask you two about that but that wasn't my notes how did that happen because I only did one from the food I was eating before the game like once the game starts you don't eat anything so I was like I didn't even I didn't go ever ever in nine days yeah

yeah so when she was like yeah three and four days I was like whoa yeah talk about burying the lead yeah it was like hidden in the newscaster sprawl but I was like also you told Sage she like definitely wants to know that

she would definitely want to get in there yeah yeah she's been waiting for one yeah she's so thrilled but she can pee bitch can pee That's true.

I got a hat. Yeah. Get a little excited. Yes. Was there so much poop and pee talk when you were on Survivor? No. I don't remember it. Not that much.

Not that much. Yeah. It wasn't like excessive. Maybe Sage is really breaking the ice for everybody and making it more acceptable in this group. It works for them. Like I'm into it for them. That's the vibe. That's the vibe.

It's fire, man. Yeah, but it's like I would never like never in a million years like there would be moments when Shahim and like asked me certain questions with like a camera in my face That I would just like in my brain be like there's never going to be footage of you talking about X on camera Like and I would turn to him and be like there's a camera right there my guy like enough and I would never talk about that on here. It's just like not my bive and do you know what I mean what would you say to him then would you just say like no comment would you start just saying copyrighted music lyrics what would you do oh that actually no i said i'm not going to answer that camera in front of the fucking country or that question in front of the fucking country yes i was like there's no way he would like let it rip too yeah wow he would ask very pointed questions yes the wow are you surprised yes are you surprised

Can you give an example of a question? Do you want to ask me one of the Shaheen pointed questions? Rob, how do I phrase this? I can't ask you one of the shaheen questions because you do not apply as a potential person who would ever be asked this question as a straight man. I mean, you could ask a question. No.

I'm looking at my publicist right here. She's like towing the line. She's saying now, she's like, redirect. Yeah. Okay, we're there. Let me pivot to something else. Okay. Let me bring this up.

Our friend Sam Phelan, another survivor news person, he asked a question on social media today. He asked this question. He wanted to know, why do we think disaster tribes have become a staple of the new era? 42, 43, and 47 the only seasons is without one. Don't say lack of supplies. That doesn't matter much.

We didn't use our pot until day six and even winning tribes aren't eating. I think it's all mental. Hashtag survivor. What do you think? I'm also reading Gabe's response. Yeah, no, I am too right now. I mean, it is valid.

Like, if you don't have a puzzler, you're kind of fucked. Yes. And what Gabe, the, you know, lengthy response from, from Gabe says having nobody be good at puzzles on your tribe or at least being significantly worse than the other two tribes, I think that that's by far the biggest cause. Hardest thing to properly measure in casting when deciding tribes and the mental stress of losing makes solving a high stakes puzzle even tougher.

Interesting. Well, I don't enjoy a disaster tribe for the record. Yeah. I think they kind of like mess things up but I don't know like I don't know if there's a reason why they've become so prominent but I do think it might be because you're whittling it down to a team of six right do you know what I mean so as soon as these teams get smaller you have fewer chances to have an all-star puzzler or a super physical like component but I was

I will push back on Sam and Sam has played in the new era I have not but Just the idea of, okay, and Jeff talked about this on the On Fire podcast of you don't win a challenge, so you don't have a machete and you don't have a pot and you lose the challenge. I will take your flint. This tribe has never had a flint. And so we have this tribe that's complaining about brain fog. And I don't know, you would tell me about like how big of a deal is it having a fire in terms of like sleeping at night? Does that affect things? And maybe not so much when it's 115 degrees during the day.

but I have to feel like that there are lots of effects of not having these things in your camp that lead to when we're talking about that they can do a challenge because of brain fog a couple of things that might help that might be the machete a pot and a flint yeah I mean it takes an hour to open a coconut with a machete it takes a long time like when you don't have access to fire not only and the nights do get very cold you can't like boil anything you can't feel comfort you can't like it makes it really really tough so I don't think it's all mental I would disagree with that I think that those specific things even if you don't use your pot until day six like there are elements of it's morale when you get fire like remember when Joe made fire

Fire is fire, some may even say. Fire is a vibe. Yeah, fire is fire. Right. So there are components of that that I think really matter, especially in the early days that are so critical to like bonding as a tribe. Yeah. So I feel like it does matter. And it's not just about like using the pot on day six.

It's the other elements of that. I also, Thomas, you didn't have. have fire when you went to Vula, but I actually, the only night I didn't have fire was the night I got voted out. So, what was that like for you? Uh, I mean, that night was terrible. Number one, that they made a terrible shelter. It was embarrassing. And they put it in the middle of, but also a brain also would tell you not to put it in the middle of a wind tunnel, like in the machete's defense. So is it, go back to there that they made a bad shelter? and because they made a bad shelter,

that was why they weren't sleeping and they weren't sleeping well enough to win the challenge to get the Flint in the first place? I don't know because the next, like, Vula didn't have fire and the next are like new Vula, whatever, and Camilla and Kyle and Joe and Shaheen

won the next challenge and didn't go home and they had nights without fire. So I think it's just like it's all a bunch of factors that work together and I don't think there's like one specific thing about it, but when you don't have five,

and you don't have proper rest because of no fire. I think that is a killer and a morale killer. Like there's nothing worse than like losing a challenge. She feels so terrible. Yeah. Could it be a chemistry issue with some of these disaster tribes? Yeah. 100%.

Also, I feel like where there's a will, there's a way in this game. And I think sometimes when there are chemistry issues, I'm like, just suck it up for a second. Like I know they're bugging the shit out of you. But, like, you don't have to be best friends. You just need to win this challenge. And I think sometimes people let chemistry issues get in their way. Yeah.

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Yeah. So the plane is great. You can use it with so many places that isn't a nap. Yeah. That's where I nap. Okay. Plan. We got so many questions for you, too, from the listeners of R.HAP.

Uh-oh. I'm nervous. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. So let me start to bring in some of these. questions and

let's see okay first question from one of the listeners Stephanie wants to know would you form a nipple ring alliance with Jake from Stephanie B

I wonder who that might be I feel well technically targeted I was about to say I was like she's doing something to you right now yeah I'm always down

to form a nipple ring alliance Let's bring it on I'm down Don't you guys both have bars Not rings Yeah they're nipple bars Yep Yeah so technically it's like

A little different Yeah Okay So it'd be even a tighter alliance That's what that means But you're not a shoe bandit Yeah I don't think I could get On board of that

Or I'd be like lighting them on fire Doing something a little more You know Okay How would Sophie S. They call her Yellow Sophie. How would she do if she was on Survivor 48?

That's from listener, Alex G. Oh, Alex G. We would have been like besties with her, for sure. Yeah. I think we would have wanted to work with her. Yeah, she would have been fun. Yeah. I would have figured it out with her in two seconds.

Now, I'm sure you two must have done the thought experiment of how does Survivor 48 go if you two continue onward in the game. Once you're talking. Yeah. Well, do you want to tell Rob when you were going to vote me out? Okay. Oh, okay. I was never going to vote you out.

Is this true, Bianca? Are you like Joe just stringing along your David here? No. He's just saying that because we had an open and honest conversation and he said... Never take the bait. done an open and honest conversation, Thomas.

He, this bitch says, and I believe him because he's loyal, that he would have taken me all the way to the end. And I said, I probably would have cut you if I had to. If I had to, if I had to is doing a lot of work there. Yeah. You said, you were like, if I had to, probably around six. Yeah. Even Kyle and Camilla weren't going to go to the end with each other.

I was going to go to the end with Bianca, for sure. Yeah, 1,000 10. Yeah, 1,000. We were locked in. Like, we're still best friends to this. Yeah. Yeah.

It is hard to think about them. The weight off. Because, you know, when you think about like what ended up happening at the merge, you know, how do either of you fit into what ends up coming together? I know that you have this bond

with Joe and Shaheen and Eva from your original tribe, but they end up bonding so much with Kyle and David. And so are you able to crack that from the inside? You go first, B. No, you go first. No, ladies first, ladies.

You're so kind. Well, I guess Kyle or Camilla isn't there if Thomas is still there. Right. Who do we say went home? Who do you want to go home, Thomas? They would have had to have been Camilla because Kyle had an idol. Right.

I do think that if Loggie had reunited, we would have stayed Loggie strong. I really do. Maybe that's naive of me. I mean, I just felt like we had, there was so much not shown on about our tribe that we would like. Yeah. Just had such a bond in a way that I think also Joe loved the guy. He was so deathly afraid of like anyone doing. I mean, case in point, why Thomas didn't tell him.

Yeah, like, you couldn't change the plan on that man. So if... We called him the Titanic. Right. You know? It's hard to... It takes a long time to steer. So I think if we had all reunited and then, you know, let's lock this in.

Maybe. Yeah, it's interesting because also, you know, Kyle now doesn't have Camilla. So he doesn't really have a lot of other options to go with. And I think we would have, I think we could have figured it out. Yeah. I really do. I feel like we were, and also now that we've like spent time with everybody outside of the game, I do feel like Bianca and I do get, have, you know, strong relationships.

I, yeah, but I do think that our problem would have been our duoness. And the only way, and without the Kyle and Camilla duo around, the only other real duo is Joe and Eva. Yeah. And so even though that I would have wanted to break that up sooner rather than later, I think we would have probably had to keep them as a duo longer. I mean, they obviously made it to the end, but yeah, we would have to keep them. Also, I know that they like to say our season is like a season of duos. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. And they like really focus in on us on the, you know, the two doos that's going to be end. Yes. Just like everybody, the internet. I would like to just argue that Bianca and I are the duos you want to get a drink with and like we're gonna we're the most fun duo a thousand yeah hmm a thousand percent i would like fighting words like Kyle Camilla let's go Joe Eva like come on I personally was gonna say Mitch and Chrissy but oh that would be I mean listen we've had some fun nights with

Mitch and Chrissy we really have that's yeah you don't even know you don't know what Chrissy. It's a hard. Crazy girl, love you. Whatever you're up to. Yeah. Okay. All right.

Yeah. Let's see. How about who wins the hypothetical basketball journey between Thomas and Bianca? That's from Anthony. Not me. Oh, you mean the one that they just went on? Yes. I thought this was like some like Marchman inside.

No, same. He's talking about the journey. Yeah, you were just like, fuck this, sports. Oh, between the two of us? Shooting baskets? Sure. Yeah, I think I win that. Yeah.

Okay. But I would never use my advantage to hurt you. Is it me and Thomas against each other or is it us against someone else? I pick a third person. Dominate. Brandon Donnellin is there too. Aw, we would definitely get Brandon out first together. Right.

I'm sorry, Brandon. Yeah, I'm sorry, Brandon. I love you. Mm-hmm. Okay. But it's sorry. Weird. Okay

How Let's see Okay The question From Trying to find Stuff that we didn't Already cover

For a lot of good questions But also I have a lot of good questions too And a lot of times they're the same Okay Yeah you're a smart guy Rob Yeah Okay Believe in yourself

All right Jaden wants to know what's something that you experienced around this point in the game that surprised you oh much I just was in like in love with Bianca

it was like around episode two where I just was like that surprised you I wasn't going out there to make friends okay I was like that wasn't like I actually that's a lie I wanted to like make

like have relationships or whatever but I think it was around like our second immunity like all of that stuff where I just was like, oh. Like we literally found love out here. Yeah. It was so unexpected. Yeah.

Yeah. Also, I was thinking I was also surprised like how hard we were playing. Bianca and I specifically, even though there was, we were in no danger whatsoever. Yeah. That was shocking. I agree with both of those things. The one production thing that surprised me. And I've been watching the show since season one.

I know how real it is. But I was kind of expecting them to, like, help us with the shelter a little bit. I don't know if you felt that with time. What did you want them to do? Like, I wasn't expecting, like, Home Depot to haul out with, like, some guys. But, like, I was kind of wondering, like, will there just be a bunch of palm fronds? Like, oh, just, like, over there, like, you know, a bunch of bamboo just over here, like, stashed in the jungle like you really have to hunt and look for a shelter and i guess it comes from

watching so many seasons of really good shelters being built and i felt like all three of our shelters on our seasons at least were kind of trash like loggies was okay but they're really hard to build so that was kind of sad to me yeah that's a little surprising to me too Interesting, Bianca. Very interesting. Hot take. No, I was surprised. I was like, there's not, like, they really don't hear anything for you. Thank God we have Joe.

Thank God we have Joe. Yeah. For so many reasons. Okay. All right. This is a little bit of an interesting question from a listener. Kellyn Whaley says, this is, I mean, we're going to, this is, Kellyn Whaley is asking this question.

I need a fellow gaze input on whether or not Jeremiah was playing up his own brain fog at Tribal, since Sophie just got a moment with Jeff about it. I found it a little too convenient that he had a nearly identical response to Jeff's question. Was he milking it for airtime? Okay. I love the gay community. We really support one another and put each other in the compromising positions here. I like on the whole podcast not talking about Jeremiah.

Like that's crazy because I feel like Jeremiah has so much screen time. And also the moment that he, like, aligned with two boys. I texted Bianca and I was like, this bitch. He's reheating your nachos? But not to an abracadabra level here. Just kidding. Jeremiah, we've never spoken, but it's all, this is all said with love. I actually didn't, like, when that happened,

I didn't think that he was doing it with, like, the intention of screen time. I didn't do that. Yeah. I didn't do that. Yeah. But leave it to. Kellyn, my fellow homosexual, to put me in this position. Yeah, I love it. We also could have just edited that

one up with each other. Right. We don't know when that took place. Good point. Rachel wants to know. What does Thomas think of Jeremiah's evil laugh? Another time I got a text. I don't know. I just, I like don't want to comment, but I'm just saying, like, get your own thing.

Yes. Sorry. Don't do the laugh. and the Boys Alliance. Do you know what it's like? Yeah, whatever. But love you, Jeremiah. Yeah, cute.

Do you feel like Jeremiah was inspired by some maniacal laughing in the past? You know, I feel like imitation is the highest form of flattery. And I'm just happy that, you know, Jeremiah has clearly seen some other seasons. Okay. All right Juliana who works at Luigi's Pizza

wants to know We love this bitch Can you get me a job? Now hold on Why is she asking for a job If she already works at Luigi's Pizza Oh We won't tell Justin

Especially if her boss works listens to this podcast Wait wait wait Are we sure This is Juliana from Luigi's This question is from Juliana who works at Luigi's Pizza.

Okay. That is what is written on the sheet. I'm asking because my goddaughter's name is Juliana and she's obsessed with Thomas. Okay. But that's fine. Does your goddaughter go by Juliana who works at Luigi's Pizza? No. I don't know the staff of Luigi's Pizza like you guys.

So I would not presume that any Juliana. There is a Giuliana. Yeah. Yeah, this question, yeah, this question comes literally from Juliana who works at Luigi's Pizza. What kind of, what job? Like, where do you want to work? Like, I don't know. Maybe it's for Bianca. Maybe they want to see a PR intern. Correct. I don't know if I want to poach someone, though. Can't spell pizzeria without PR. There you go. I was like, fat. Beautiful.

You literally like, pee. I see. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not trying to steal employees from a good friend. Yeah, we're not poaching people from Luigi's Pizza. Okay? All right. How about this? This is a question that Brandon Donlin wanted me to ask. He wanted to know that Bianca works in PR.

Does the new era need some PR help? This is shadier than Kelly. I was just going to say this is harder than Kellyn's question. Yeah. Oh, talking about compromising. Because I think that, I feel like it's a bit of a misnomer in that the new era is, I think there was, like, what's the statute of limitations on calling it new? Right. Because now the new era is five years old.

You know, if you have a five-year-old, it's not a baby. It's not super new. They will rebrand after 50 because the new era kind of took over like themed seasons, right, or like different locations like we've had in the past. So if you have a five-year-old car, it's not the new car. No, it's not. But relative to 40 previous seasons, I will say it's still newer. Newer. Newer.

newer era. It's still an era. Right. Right. So I think they'll change it. That's my prediction. I feel like a shift is coming after 50. Yes. Okay. So you think this is the last year of the new era,

do you think? Yeah. Wow. We'll say, but I would say yes. I would advise yes. Wow. Okay. What will come after the new era?

oh this is where we gotta get like Nate involved of like what comes after like uh you know all these like MCU where they had end game what comes after end game right I'm not a I'm not a I'm not a Marvel girlie is that Marvel yeah yeah well after end game it was like worst ticket sales so mm-hmm right you know what I mean yeah I don't know what they do after this they kind of like painted themselves into a box with the the new era What comes after the new era? A newer era. Newer era.

I feel like there's just, honestly, like, there's endless possibilities. And you can get creative in so many ways. Like, I'm not necessarily concerned. I think they'll figure something out. I'm curious, though, if they do 50 is in the hands of the fans. So I'm curious if they start to listen to some of the, the I feel as though there are certain strong opinions on things that work, things that don't work, what fans want to see more of.

So I'm curious if like some old school play starts to get more incorporated after 50. I would be thrilled to see some of that. You think that maybe the voting skewed in a certain way that maybe they might take that information and say, hey, this is actually what the people want more of? Not necessarily that they're going to really take it seriously and, like, want, you know, they'll do what they want to do. But I am curious given that they actually opened it up to the fans for 50 if they'll take any of those changes and start implementing new things. Okay. Did you vote for Survivor 50, Bianca? I lost my vote.

You lost your vote. Thomas, were you voting? Did you rub? I think I did, yeah. I think I did too. I think I was like, fuck it. I voted for the tribe colors. I remember voting for that.

Yes, which ones did you vote for? I remember hating the, there was like an aqua, blue, orange, something. I think I voted for that one. Oh, sorry. Sorry. It wasn't my vibe, my, like, color palette. It wasn't your aura. Yeah, it wasn't.

No aura points for that? Wasn't my Riz. Mm-hmm. Okay. But what else did they ask for votes on? A lot of things. Fire making. Right.

If there were going to be idols in the game. Mm-hmm. A lot of advantage. They didn't ask about the journeys. They didn't ask, should people lose their vote on a journey? They should have asked. They should have. Okay.

If Star would have gotten this Beware challenge instead, would you have carried the chain for her? That's from Memphis McFall. Oh, this is a good question because this was a lot of it wasn't shown with us, Thomas. Okay. Tell a story. It's funny you bring up. Yeah.

Well, there was a little ruse happening where Thomas and I were actually debating helping Starr open the idol because we had thought we figured it out and like purposely weren't really helping her. But there was a point in time where we wanted to work with Starr to vote out Shaheen. Do you remember that? Of course, but like...

But like it was Starr and I love her so much. But it was because you work with Starr, like could you trust what Star's next move is going to be? So that that plan would have taken a lot of deep trust a lot yeah and star really wanted to vote out Shaheen like really wanted to vote him out yeah um which i don't yeah which we've had this debate over what would have happened and my answer that i probably would have gone along with bianca whatever she wanted in that moment okay how would it have worked with the with the with the ball and chain oh okay sorry yeah tell me about the plan to vote out shaheen now could could you have just like

open, help Star open her idol and then all put your votes on Star and then Hell Star. You just write down Shaheen. She wanted him gone. I think the only reason we would have actually entertained it is if we felt that the Joe and Eva Alliance was going to start threatening our game and maybe Shaheen wasn't going to get on with us to do something about that. Yeah. I think that's really the only scenario in which we would have.

Was this just like a conversation or this is something that how far down the road did this get? Um, I mean, it was more than a conversation because Star, we knew that Star had the idol. And at this point, Shaheen didn't know, right? No, she, he knew, he knew. Oh, we did know. I'm getting confused then.

Yeah, but he wasn't going to know that she opened it. Right. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It was just a scenario. Scenario. Yeah.

Well, it was also how he made Star feel safe, too. Yeah. You know what I mean? We needed her to feel safe. Yeah. Yeah. But I would have chunked that ball and chain into the ocean. Oh.

So they couldn't open it. If we were being real. Yeah. Well, it was interesting also. That's what I wanted to do. because that this was a thing and I don't know if we've had this before where the note said that you

haven't told tribal council to open this and if you can't do it by tribal council then that's it. It's closed. Yeah, I kind of like a little timer on it. It's fun. Because then it's also like cool. Then I don't have to delay forever.

But then he loses vote for that tribal council or does that has he lost his vote for Because the rule used to be, you know, you could not get your vote back until you open the thing. This was like you have one day, you have like 10 minutes to open the thing and get the idol out. And if not you lose your vote and the idol doesn't work. But I guess you get your vote back. Because I feel like you probably get your vote back.

I think you do ask for that tribal. But that's also really hard because when you are going to tribal, there is not that much time in between losing the challenge, coming back to camp, having to do all of those. talks and walks. That's what they say. Yeah. So that's definitely a time sensitive element. Okay. This is from Big Orange Cow wants to know.

Who do you think is giving Thomas and Bianca devious duo vibes this season? No one can do. No one. Sorry. Well, it's just like, who's giving Timu Thomas and Bianca vibe this season? All right. Let me pull up the cast list. Hold on.

Is anyone really, okay, so Sophie and Jake are working together. Jake's number one is Alex, not Sophie. It's all over the place. We were a two-way street. We were totally a two-way street. Yeah. I mean, I spend one way, but we were two ways. Yeah, I mean, Savannah has, like, mentioned wanting to work with.

Shannon. Yeah. No, this is not a season of duos, I would not say. Yeah. No, which like, duos are fun. Divos are so fun. Yeah. Well, I found it interesting, too, is that, like, Sophie's so fixated.

For the record, I like Sophie. Sophie, no E. Blue Sophie. I like both Sophie. Yeah, same. But Blue Sophie, I think it's really interesting that she knows about Alex of the threat with Jake, her number one, and doesn't consider gunning for him.

Yeah, with like Jeremiah and Annie in a real way. Like that made sense to me. Just how like Shaheen and I were going to vote out Eva behind Joe's back in order to pull him in. Let me ask you about another piece of social media.

Thomas, this last month you said, on September 9th, you said about Lady Gaga performed. Pop Crave tweeted about it. And you responded, kind of the parvety shallow of the music business, if you think about it. Could you explain more about your thoughts on Lady Gaga is the parvety of the music business? Okay. Well, so Parv won her first season around-ish the time Gaga blew up with just dance.

And then now they both are having a huge resurgence moment. Yes. So there's like a timeline with it. Their middle bumps of greatness weren't. They didn't link up quite now like they did now. But I personally think that Parvety Shallow is the goat of Survivor. Yes. I think that like bow down to Tony and Sandra, they are incredible.

I think it's harder for Parvety to win a second time than, either of them. And she did it in a way where she didn't get any votes. I know it was a shorter season, all this other things, but she should have been the first person booted. And no one wrote her name down until the end when they voted for her to win the entire thing. And I also think that Lady Gaga is the greatest, like currently like active pop star on the planet. There's no one like her. Like, and people love to counter out. And people like to like, I know all you little monster when you disappeared during art pop and then you came back you came back you know and now you're saying art pop is her greatest album but you don't stream it so it's a lot of like uh what's it

called uh performativeness from the fan base i think but yeah i just think they're both the greatest of their game and sometimes people underestimate them and i think that's a fool's errand wow yeah that was the final fastest song to three billion streams. Are you kidding me? Like, abracadabra, like a return to form. Mayhem Ball is potentially one of the greatest pop shows ever created. And this is on top from the woman who gave us the fame ball and Born This Way Ball. And like, you guys all thought she was done when she did a jazz album.

Like, come on, grow up. Same thing with Parvety Shallow. like grow up everybody that's how I feel I love hearing you talk Thomas it's my favorite thing I just love these women do you know what I mean yeah and that's how I feel about Addison motherfucking Ray is underestimate her at your own peril what survivor is she that's a threat to me no no you're good tomorrow you show can you give a survivor comp for Addison oh interesting um Sophie Clark okay

underestimated in her own season but she knew how to play the game everybody kind of counted her out like she wasn't like your number one winner pick she was unexpected but then she played one of the best games ever yeah

Addison Sophie Clark wow it's pretty good yeah yeah I like my girlies any other notable survivor comparisons to Titans of the music industry Oh, good question

Think about it If you have any others Let us know Well, I was thinking like Olivia's Three Fields But that's not true Because three is never won And Olivia's

Decorating Yeah Yeah Like is Katie Perry Three Fields Never won a Grammy Hmm You know

Kind of gets screwed But whatever I'm not here to defend Katie Perry I don't have the time or the energy. It's day five and I have brain fog. Yeah. I can't defend right now.

Okay. Is there anything else on your mind or in your notes about Survivor 49, the Survivor Universe, writ large? I keep thinking Savannah has a bug in her ear. I don't know if anyone else felt this way. Why do you think Savannah has a bug in her ear? She has like an earring that sits right look for it that sits right here and it looks like a roly polioly it's like black and white and striped and I keep thinking it's a bug in her ear and I keep getting so triggered by like a Jennifer Lanzetti situation yes couldn't remember the name but fully remember the scenario and that was my greatest fear going out there literally nothing else was I afraid of then yeah that did you use your buffed to as a shield. Yeah.

Every night. Wrapped up every whole crevice in my body. Yeah. I don't know if Manta Sleep does earmuffs, but I'm going to see, I'm going to talk to them and see if they do that also. Yeah. Bug preventing ear muffs.

Okay. I mean. I'll do anything. I'll also do Savannah thing. When, uh, uh, Jawan, like, fucked with her bag. Yeah. I would have lost my god damn.

He put the sticks in it. it cool. I was like, good job, Savannah. Good job, Savannah. Yeah. But vote them out. Because that chick gets dirty. And you're trying to keep like one article of clothing clean, just one.

Mm-hmm. That would have really. And I've never seen anybody put all the sticks in the bag. I've never seen anybody do that before. I understand a strategy that Savannah, like, called him out on, which was like, if you're putting sticks in your bag and then you find an idol, you can just chuck that in there, too. but it just looks dumb.

You just, you're creating a scene when you don't need to. You didn't need to do that. So I don't know if the strategy is really fully there. Okay. Eva harvested an entire forest with no bag. She did. It's unnecessary. Yeah.

Okay. Next up for you two is tonight the concert? Tomorrow. Tomorrow night. Concert and dinner. Yeah, I love you so much. Dinner is TBD. I'll get back to you.

She's busy. She's busy. Okay. You're in charge of the dinner. No, I have to commit or not commit to the dinner is my homework. Okay. But I did get us the Donna's reservation in LA. I'm so excited.

I can't let me. Yeah, so good. Okay. All right. What else is coming up? When's the wedding, Bianca? Is that putting you on the spot? No.

The wedding is next August. It's in Italy, which I'm... Whoa! Yeah. Okay. Destination wedding. Destination wedding? Yeah.

Well, yes. My fiancé's entire family lives in France. So it's like destination-ish. But it's going to be fun. I can't wait. All right. Yeah. Thomas, what's next for you?

Well, we got Grammy Noms coming out in like two months. And I'm just on the edge of my seat. I'm praying for all of my lovely people. Yes. that they come through. Is it prayers? Is there like a lot of like, you know, for your consideration that goes on in the music industry?

Oh, yeah, yeah. There's like ads in the whole thing, but thank goodness that is not my job. Okay. My job, well, the music's made and done. I rest. And I just have to, you know, hope other people don't fuck it up.

Okay. All right. Well, this was such a delight to have you both here. This was so fun. This was so fun. Yeah. And we really appreciate you. having our pre-mergers here to chat with you.

Let's see. Who else knows better what's going on in the pre-merge than pre-mergers? Yeah. This is your time to shine. You're the thought leaders of the pre-merge. Yeah, that's right. Okay. All right.

Well, thank you both so much. This was super fun. We saw a lot to do here today or this week. In addition to you, either do you watch the amazing, Amazing Race. Well, you better before you go on it because. This was our audition for the show. We don't watch.

I'll be talking about Amazing Race, 38, I think. And I'll be doing that with Mike and Jessica Elise coming up later on on Thursday. Plus, also I'll have an old school interview, Amy Kuzak, plus the patron Q&A and Club Condo, all still coming up before this Wednesday, New York City. We will be doing the live show. Wednesday night for episode three of Survivor 49. Hope to see you all there. Robbiswebster.com slash events for ticket information.

Thank you so much for joining us. Take care of a good one. Bye.